From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 08:10:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05366 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 08:10:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41Bv1h02290; Wed, 1 May 2002 05:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41Bv0R01723; Wed, 1 May 2002 05:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nycsmtp1out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp1out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.226]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41BjZR28958 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 05:45:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marthakelly (24-168-77-136.nyc.rr.com [24.168.77.136]) by nycsmtp1out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with SMTP id g41BhkNp027491 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 07:43:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another good costume museum website... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01c1f0c5$224c16c0$9da98218@duck> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 05:15:35 -0300 Status: RO Kendra, thank you for the museum site. I always wander through on-line museums while I eat my morning Wheaties. The Bowes is a fun discovery. I thought the garments in the textiles area were very vaguely dated (Victorian, for example.) Did I miss more text somewhere? Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 09:21:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05664 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:21:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41D7Qh05244; Wed, 1 May 2002 07:07:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41D7OR19300; Wed, 1 May 2002 07:07:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepF.post.tele.dk (fepF.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41CwaR16551 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 06:58:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.249]) by fepF.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020501125832.KSAM6037.fepF.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 14:58:32 +0200 Message-ID: <3CCFE698.1A15576B@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Bowesmuseum Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 14:59:04 +0200 Status: RO Dear Kendra Thanks for the link to the museum. Now i know what i am going to do, from time to time. Look at this beautifull sewing box i found: http://www.bowesmuseum.org.uk/collections/image.php3?Name=Needlework+Box&image=1987-2-1-emb-2-50.jpg I also found an embroidered mans suit. Bjarne Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 10:51:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06054 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 10:51:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41EbBh11944; Wed, 1 May 2002 08:37:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41Eb8R23537; Wed, 1 May 2002 08:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41EaoR23364 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 08:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from duck ([24.130.169.157]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020501143645.RZLU2627.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@duck> for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 14:36:45 +0000 Message-ID: <002001c1f11d$96cac020$9da98218@duck> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <3CCFE698.1A15576B@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bowesmuseum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 07:36:32 -0700 Status: RO Bjarne, that needlwork box is AMAZING! Wow! Martha, I had the same thought as you re: dating -- all of the periods are simply listed as monarchs. "Victoria" doesn't help much, given that it covers more than 60 years! I couldn't find any further info... - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 11:33:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06328 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 11:33:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41FK3h16617; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:20:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41FK1R18059; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41FJDR17606 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:19:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12741.; Wed, 1 May 2002 16:28:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 May 2002 16:19:11 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bowesmuseum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g41FJDR17606 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 16:18:39 +0100 Status: RO This looks like early 17th century stumpwork. I've not seen this one, but have seen others in museums, and I adore them. I'd love to try doing some stumpwork myself; not a whole box, but perhaps a small mirror frame which I could use for indoor reenactments. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> drewscph@post12.tele.dk 05/01/02 01:59pm >>> Dear Kendra Thanks for the link to the museum. Now i know what i am going to do, from time to time. Look at this beautifull sewing box i found: http://www.bowesmuseum.org.uk/collections/image.php3?Name=Needlework+Box&image=1987-2-1-emb-2-50.jpg I also found an embroidered mans suit. Bjarne Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 11:49:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06391 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 11:49:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41FY3h18399; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41FY0R26648; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41FWNR25711 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:32:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pool0242.cvx25-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.216.242]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 172w5d-0007a4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 May 2002 08:32:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 08:33:11 -0700 Status: RO I know this topic turns up again and again here, so i apologize in advance for boring those are sick of this already. I would like an answer as to why in modern garments men's and women's garments button on opposite sides in order to dispel misinformation on another e-list. A woman there heard that men's and women's garments button on opposite sides because men had servants to button them up while women had to do their own. I know this is untrue, but rather than spread more misinformation myself, i'd like to know if anyone here has some actual historical fact. Thanks, Anahita who doesn't often wear clothes with buttons _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 12:08:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06460 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:08:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41Ft3h21303; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41Ft1R10042; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41FsZR09786 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:54:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020501155430.ZHWE5896.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 15:54:30 +0000 Message-ID: <0fbe01c1f128$9756f990$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 10:55:06 -0500 Status: RO I do know that it is the standard by which dry cleaners use in order to prepare men's shirts differently from women's shirts other than because of the darts in our shirts. But I am curious too because it seems to apply to pants too. Sincerely, Chiara Francesca Steppes, Ansteorra `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°` ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? > I know this topic turns up again and again here, so i apologize in > advance for boring those are sick of this already. > > I would like an answer as to why in modern garments men's and women's > garments button on opposite sides in order to dispel misinformation > on another e-list. A woman there heard that men's and women's > garments button on opposite sides because men had servants to button > them up while women had to do their own. > > I know this is untrue, but rather than spread more misinformation > myself, i'd like to know if anyone here has some actual historical > fact. > > Thanks, > Anahita > who doesn't often wear clothes with buttons > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 12:50:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06660 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:50:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41Gb2h26386; Wed, 1 May 2002 10:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41Gb0R07187; Wed, 1 May 2002 10:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41Ga8R06666 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 10:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.137.d799fe9 (30972) for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:35:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <137.d799fe9.2a017367@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:35:51 EDT Status: RO Judith Lopez once investigated this topic, but I'm not sure if it has been published. The standardization does not seem to have occurred until the rise of ready-to-wear in the late 19th century. Before that, both women's and men's clothes lapped both ways. (Of course, when you think about it, overlapping closures in women's clothes are fairly recent, too.) Studies of both photographs and extant garments indicate this. (Photos can be tricky, though--the image might have been reversed.) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 14:51:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07883 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 14:51:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41Ib3h09175; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41Ib0R18688; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41IaAR18186 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 12:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pool0641.cvx20-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.252.131] helo=[209.179.216.242]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 172yxU-0006d6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 May 2002 11:36:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> References: <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:37:11 -0700 Status: RO Ann Wass wrote: >Judith Lopez once investigated this topic, but I'm not sure if it has been >published. The standardization does not seem to have occurred until the rise >of ready-to-wear in the late 19th century. Before that, both women's and >men's clothes lapped both ways. (Of course, when you think about it, >overlapping closures in women's clothes are fairly recent, too.) Studies of >both photographs and extant garments indicate this. (Photos can be tricky, >though--the image might have been reversed.) Thanks. This confirms some assumptions i jumped to after a minimal amount of research. After reviewing some historic clothing myself i noticed no particular consistency into the 17th century. Then i found a plausibly accurate web page (Historical Boys Clothing) that said there was no apparent convention even in the early 19th c., although the author of that webpage posited no possible reason for the conventionalization of buttoning. I, on the other hand, jumped to the conclusion that if buttoning conventions finally appeared in the 19th century, then mass-production probably was a major reason. That's still no good reason for two different buttoning systems for men and for women, only for the establishment of a single one. So i suspect (with absolutely no supporting evidence) that Victorian, ah-hem, attention to detail, shall we say, was also a contributing factor, categorizing, cataloging, and formalizing so many aspects of social life. Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 18:11:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08838 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 18:11:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41LvQh29609; Wed, 1 May 2002 15:57:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41LvMR15645; Wed, 1 May 2002 15:57:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41LupR15372 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 15:56:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVG00FGRCYOJ2@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 May 2002 14:56:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020501132851.00c114c0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 13:30:23 -0700 Status: RO >So i suspect (with absolutely no supporting evidence) that Victorian, >ah-hem, attention to detail, shall we say, was also a contributing factor, >categorizing, cataloging, and formalizing so many aspects of social life. I think that buttoning one way rather than another coincides with the invention of the shirt-waist for women - we can't have women wearing men's clothes, so we'll have them button differently so they aren't really the same. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 18:31:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08881 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 18:31:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41MH3h01814; Wed, 1 May 2002 16:17:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41MH0R26430; Wed, 1 May 2002 16:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41MG6R25954 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 16:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-97-73.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.97.73]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AFY97303; Wed, 1 May 2002 23:15:57 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00ff01c1f15e$a7f8ba00$c27f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com><200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020501132851.00c114c0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 23:22:18 +0100 Status: RO I thought it was supposed to bevsomething like men getting themselves dressed & women having maids. No supporting evidence, just something I once heard Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 18:51:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08955 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 18:51:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41Mc3h03854; Wed, 1 May 2002 16:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41Mc1R07442; Wed, 1 May 2002 16:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailjayb.creighton.edu (MailjayB.creighton.edu [147.134.2.193]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41MbER07028 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 16:37:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by mailjayb.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA08489 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 17:37:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002701c1f15f$aeec6680$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com><200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020501132851.00c114c0@mail.frys.com> <00ff01c1f15e$a7f8ba00$c27f4ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 17:29:38 -0500 Status: RO For men's buttons, it supposedly comes down from men needing their sword arm free(presumably the right arm). And women had maids or female relatives to help dress them. But there are extant garments that button opposite of what we would think now for the gender of the garment's wearer. Which might mean that before mass production, if the garment's maker knew if one were left-handed, or did or didn't have servants/relatives to help dress one, the garment was made to the wearer's preference as to fastening left over right or right over left. I don't think the whole thing was formalized until clothing went into mass production Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 18:57:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08986 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 18:57:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41Mh3h04245; Wed, 1 May 2002 16:43:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41Mh1R09787; Wed, 1 May 2002 16:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41MgoR09677 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 16:42:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AFAD3FC0118; Wed, 01 May 2002 17:43:57 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c1f161$7057ab80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020501132851.00c114c0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 18:42:12 -0400 Status: RO I recently researched this in the archives. It is covered this topic in depth. I am also trying to look more into this and hope to write an article because I am just not happy with the myths. I am presenting looking into the history of men's shirt companies like Arrow who began selling men's shirts in 1851. Just this past week, I found in the book "Over the Counter and on the Shelf: Country Storekeeping in America: 1620-1920" that one of the earliest men's shirt manufacturers was Oliver Winchester. Somewhere between 1840 and 1860 he was manufacturing over 200 dozen men's shirts a week. A piece of trivia, in 1860, Mr. Winchester decided that it would be more profitable to make firearms. So do which do you think made him famous. Just found this on a webpage about Oliver Winchester: In 1848, he patented a new method for manufacturing shirts and with Davies started a factory in New Haven. More about Mr. Winchester is at http://www.raken.com/american_wealth/encyclopedia/profile.asp?code=2563 I think the key answer to the question will deal with the first manufacturers and the standardization of men and women's clothing. Women's clothing did not become standardized until after 1900. I have yet read the article about the mention in the CSA journal Dress about the standardization of buttons on clothing. I do not have that issue. So if someone would send me a photocopy, I would be very happy! >From reading the messages in the archives, I believe that the sword issue of pulling the sword from the sheath makes sense. I find it hard to believe the point about the middle class Victorian women having maids, and that the buttons were moved to the opposing side to accommodate them. I just find it hard to believe that many people had maids. I do believe there is a strong case to be made that the buttons were placed on the opposite side for women, so that one could tell the difference between men and women shirts and shirtwaists... especially after 1900. As a former clothing salesperson, this would be very helpful and just makes common sense. Well that is my two cents... Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 19:13:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09105 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 19:13:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41N03h05693; Wed, 1 May 2002 17:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41N01R17889; Wed, 1 May 2002 17:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41MxrR17773 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 16:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A3AB770198; Wed, 01 May 2002 18:00:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c1f163$d0a64b20$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020501132851.00c114c0@mail.frys.com> <002101c1f161$7057ab80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 18:59:14 -0400 Status: RO Okay, I just found on another website about Oliver Winchester the following: He opened a store in Baltimore making and selling shirts (1837), before moving to New York (1847) where he took on a partner. Winchester patented a new method or manufacturing men's shirts, and opened a factory in nearby New Haven, Conn. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0772016.html I do not know much about patents, but if he patented how to make men's shirts, wouldn't he have had to distinguish the side the buttons were supposed to be on in the patent? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 19:18:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09144 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 19:18:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41N51h06112; Wed, 1 May 2002 17:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41N50R20349; Wed, 1 May 2002 17:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41N4uR20327 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 17:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-97-73.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.97.73]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AFZ01566; Thu, 2 May 2002 00:04:47 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <01d401c1f165$7936a5e0$c27f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020501132851.00c114c0@mail.frys.com> <002101c1f161$7057ab80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <002a01c1f163$d0a64b20$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 00:11:05 +0100 Status: RO >I do not know much about patents, but if he patented how to make men's shirts, wouldn't he have had to distinguish the side the buttons were supposed to be on in the patent? I wouldn't think it was necessary for manufacture UNLESS it was a vitale & unique part of the patant, but if that was the case everone else would be breaking it & common usage stuff is generally not patentable, eg you can't patent sewing a button on, but you can patent a machine that does it in a certain way Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 20:01:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09537 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:01:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41Nl2h09338; Wed, 1 May 2002 17:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41Nl1R06768; Wed, 1 May 2002 17:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rgminet4.oracle.com (rgminet4.us.oracle.com [148.87.122.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3UKjAR01264 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:45:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (rgmgw4.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.13]) by rgminet4.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.4/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g3UKlA119907 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bperry_pc.oracle.com (dhcp-4op9-4op10-west-130-35-174-67.us.oracle.com [130.35.174.67]) by rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g3UKj9807376 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020430134337.03505980@gmmail.oraclecorp.com> X-Sender: betsy.perry@gmmail.oraclecorp.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Elizabeth Hanes Perry In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Old on-card Victorian laces and ribbons on E-bay. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:45:10 -0700 Status: RO http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=862768832 is a representative piece of Irish crochet. >Many of the lace items featured this week were removed from an estate >located in the prominent Beacon Hill of Boston. The husband managed a >textile factory on Tremont Street in Boston dating to the Victorian 1870's >through the 1950's and the wife had an extensive collection of lace trims, >most French in origin, and bolts of fabric dating from the 1880's to the >early 1930's >I've been walking through the seller's stock and drooling. There are some >very handsome >laces. >http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=jamiexmas@aol.com&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 Be well, do good work, and keep in touch. - G. Keillor Betsy Hanes Perry betsy.perry@oracle.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 20:01:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09541 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:01:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41NlGh09356; Wed, 1 May 2002 17:47:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g41NlFR06873; Wed, 1 May 2002 17:47:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grover.ucdavis.edu (grover.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3PFcYj06972 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ucdavis.edu ([169.237.75.216]) by grover.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.6.0) with ESMTP id g3PFcXk19185; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3CC822F9.90CE8D25@ucdavis.edu> From: "Cannon, Carol J. Bell" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] PLEASE REPLY TO: cjcannon@greymists.com Searching for Sue Chatto, milliner Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cjcannon@greymists.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:38:33 -0700 Status: RO I am NOT sub'd to this list, so please reply to me at my home address, as above, NOT to the work address. If you could let the lady know I am seeking to contact her, I would appreciate that. Or: if someone knows a great source from which coated millinery wire may be purchased, please let me know. Thank you in advance. Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 20:50:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09788 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:50:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g420b2h12386; Wed, 1 May 2002 18:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g420b0R24082; Wed, 1 May 2002 18:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g420alR24024 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 18:36:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AA624F00132; Wed, 01 May 2002 19:37:54 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c1f171$4d720100$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3CC822F9.90CE8D25@ucdavis.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] PLEASE REPLY TO: cjcannon@greymists.com Searching for Sue Chatto, milliner X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:35:47 -0400 Status: RO I forwarded your message to Sue. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cannon, Carol J. Bell" To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: [h-cost] PLEASE REPLY TO: cjcannon@greymists.com Searching for Sue Chatto, milliner > I am NOT sub'd to this list, so please reply to me at my home > address, as above, NOT to the work address. > If you could let the lady know I am seeking to contact her, I would > appreciate that. Or: if someone knows a great source from which coated > millinery wire may be purchased, please let me know. Thank you in > advance. Carol > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 1 22:31:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10249 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 22:31:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g422I1h17890; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g422I0R23419; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g422HZR23320 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:17:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p124-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.212.124] by smtp1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 1736A1-0000gM-00; Thu, 02 May 2002 14:17:33 +1200 Message-ID: <005c01c1f17f$86f02430$7cd4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020501132851.00c114c0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:17:35 +1200 Status: RO > I think that buttoning one way rather than another coincides with the > invention of the shirt-waist for women - we can't have women wearing men's > clothes, so we'll have them button differently so they aren't really the same. Now this makes more sense that the so called women being dressed by maids theory. Have you tried buttoning a woman's blouse or jacket when you aren't wearing it? It's really difficult, because you wind up relying on your felt hand to guide the buttonhole. Perfect for left handed people I suppose? But that then assumes that all maids were left handed;). Besides men and women were dressed by servants. Dresses that fasten up the back however clearly indicate a need for another person depending on the level of difficulty. The need to differenciate men's clothes from women's when women's clothes were starting to look masculine does fit in with the need to gender seperate apparent in a lot of literature even of the early 20thC. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 02:08:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24972 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 02:08:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g425t2h28436; Wed, 1 May 2002 23:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g425t1R19341; Wed, 1 May 2002 23:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g425sQR19252 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 23:54:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-111-135.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.111.135]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AFX18002; Thu, 2 May 2002 06:54:26 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <007101c1f19e$abde8ba0$876f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020501132851.00c114c0@mail.frys.com> <005c01c1f17f$86f02430$7cd4adcb@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 07:00:32 +0100 Status: RO >Now this makes more sense that the so called women being dressed by maids theory. Have you tried buttoning a woman's blouse or jacket when you aren't wearing it? Yes when I dress my kids, both sexes , I don't find either difficult to be honest. It's really difficult, because you wind up relying on your felt hand to guide the buttonhole. Perfect for left handed people I suppose? But that then assumes that all maids were left handed;). I think that is more to do with what you are used to that left or right handedness. >Besides men and women were dressed by servants. This is the bit that didn't make much sense to me, although women need more dressing than a man, ie more bits & pieces & complicated fastenings in real victorian costume. I'm not 100% convinced by any theory, although the machinery regulating the buttons makes sense why one way for men one for women, it isn't economical as it gives 2 machinery costs. Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 04:21:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06596 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 04:21:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42878h02876; Thu, 2 May 2002 02:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42870R16549; Thu, 2 May 2002 02:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42860R16308 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 02:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04512.; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:14:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 May 2002 09:05:58 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g42860R16308 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 09:05:26 +0100 Status: RO The theory about drawing the sword and not wanting it to catch in the opening came from me, from a children's book of my father's c. 1920. I'm not sure I believe it, on reflection, as you don't draw your sword directly across your front. I don't believe the "servant" theory either, as it presupposes that one method of buttoning is intrinsically easier than the other, which I don't think is true. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 06:42:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06904 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 06:38:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42AN4h05760; Thu, 2 May 2002 04:23:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42AN0R11160; Thu, 2 May 2002 04:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42AM7R10919 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 04:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCibrOGcB88RIigpu0FkUk+jkUQGd2aWKyQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GZSZ834Y; Thu, 02 May 2002 06:21:29 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? Message-ID: <20020502.052206.-405829.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,13-21,23-38 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:22:06 -0500 Status: RO And button front shirts are a relatively recent invention anyway. During the heyday of sword-drawing, most shirts didn't open all the way down the front and weren't buttoned but tied at the neck. Of any of the current theories as to why the difference in side came into being, I'm inclined towards the gender indication one. I think it might be along the same lines as when women began wearing slacks/pants in the early 1960's they often fastened on the hip or in the center back because that meant that they were women's clothing and that the woman wasn't wearing men's clothing. I seem to recall there being a custom in religiously conservative communities (Conservative Jews) that women could wear slacks as long as they DIDN'T fasten in center front because that form of closing was for men's clothing and you can't wear the clothing of the other sex. Just a few thoughts waaaaayy too early in the morning. Karen On Thu, 02 May 2002 09:05:26 +0100 "Kate M Bunting" writes: > The theory about drawing the sword and not wanting it to catch in the > opening came from me, from a children's book of my father's c. 1920. > I'm not sure I believe it, on reflection, as you don't draw your > sword directly across your front. > I don't believe the "servant" theory either, as it presupposes that > one method of buttoning is intrinsically easier than the other, > which I don't think is true. > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 07:01:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06961 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 07:01:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42Am1h06543; Thu, 2 May 2002 04:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42Am0R15992; Thu, 2 May 2002 04:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42AlJR15812 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 04:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14823.; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:56:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 May 2002 11:47:17 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g42AlJR15812 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:46:56 +0100 Status: RO Karen wrote: Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> And button front shirts are a relatively recent invention anyway. During the heyday of sword-drawing, most shirts didn't open all the way down the front and weren't buttoned but tied at the neck. I wasn't thinking of shirts, which were classed as underclothing then, but of coats/doublets. >>>Of any of the current theories as to why the difference in side came into being, I'm inclined towards the gender indication one. I think it might be along the same lines as when women began wearing slacks/pants in the early 1960's they often fastened on the hip or in the center back because that meant that they were women's clothing and that the woman wasn't wearing men's clothing. Yes, I agree. When I first used to wear trousers at that time it would have felt vaguely improper for a woman to wear front-opening ones, not consciously on religious grounds but just from custom. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 07:27:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07142 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 07:26:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42BD2h07416; Thu, 2 May 2002 05:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42BD0R21209; Thu, 2 May 2002 05:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42BCKR21069 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 05:12:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-122-165-20.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.165.20] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 173EVX-0000fa-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 May 2002 12:12:19 +0100 Message-ID: <001c01c1f1ca$6dfa69e0$14a57ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:13:46 +0100 Status: RO Karen wrote: Of any of the current theories as to why the difference in side came into > being, I'm inclined towards the gender indication one. I think it might > be along the same lines as when women began wearing slacks/pants in the > early 1960's they often fastened on the hip or in the center back because > that meant that they were women's clothing and that the woman wasn't > wearing men's clothing. There is an interesting paper on Victorian attempts to enforce gender in the choice of textiles: "Wool cloth and gender: the use of woolen cloth in woman's dress in Britain 1865-85" by Lou Taylor in "Defining Dress: Dress as object, meaning and identity. ed. Amy de la Haye and Elizabeth Wilson which chimes rather well with your view on this. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 07:34:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07196 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 07:34:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42BL1h07616; Thu, 2 May 2002 05:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42BL0R22724; Thu, 2 May 2002 05:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42BKpR22689 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 05:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-122-165-20.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.165.20] helo=dan) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 173EdX-0000Kt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 May 2002 12:20:35 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01c1f1cb$95bc8660$14a57ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Riding habits Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:22:02 +0100 Status: RO Hi all, Rather late for the discussion, I know, but there is a long paper by Janet Arnold discussing many of the issues raised, entitled "Dashing Amazons: the development of women's riding dress, c.1500-1900" in "Defining Dress: Dress as object, meaning and identity." ed. Amy de la Haye and Elizabeth Wilson. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 09:18:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07823 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:18:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42D41h11491; Thu, 2 May 2002 07:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42D40R15223; Thu, 2 May 2002 07:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21410.mail.yahoo.com (web21410.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g42D3cR15145 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 07:03:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020502130337.67873.qmail@web21410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.6.81.219] by web21410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 May 2002 14:03:37 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= To: Historic Costuming , Tudor Fashions , H-costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Lace-in Sleeves For Elizabethan Doublet - Evidence? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:03:37 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Greetings one and all, With events fast approaching I am starting work on a new doublet for myself based on the 1580s doublet in Patterns opf Fashion. My question concerns the sleeves. I have heard people mention that Linen sleeves were most commonly used, but does anyone know of any other materials that were used and can document (even just a picture would be great). I am making the doublet out of wool and would ideally like to have wool sleeves to attach, but I'm happy with linen if all else fails. Thanks Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 10:32:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08178 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:32:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42EGmh16356; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:16:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42EGjR09033; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:16:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42EDcR07814 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.d4.16db9ccd (4013) for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:13:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: This one's good too To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:13:22 EDT Status: RO << < I'd join a reenactment group just to have an excuse to make that... --Gillian the Elizabethan> there's a different reason to join reenactment groups? I had no idea! .heather.>> LOL!!! --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 11:01:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08354 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:01:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42EmHh19542; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42EmER22479; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42EZfR16813 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.43.ae0f998 (4013) for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:35:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <43.ae0f998.2a02a89e@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: the level of costuming Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:35:10 EDT Status: RO Kayta, Don't put yourself down; think of it as an opportunity! I mean, when your the most knowledgeable or skilled person in the group, there is no one to learn from to expand your horizons. While it's fun to be worshipped for your skills, it eventually gets frustrating that there's no one doing work that inspires YOU. What you learned the other day was that there is always more to learn -- which should make you feel years younger. And now that others have "raised the bar," just think how exciting it'll be rising to the challenge of your NEXT costume... Stay positive, Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 11:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08539 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:17:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42F2th21003; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42F2rR29684; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:02:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f13.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42En6R22884 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 May 2002 07:49:00 -0700 Received: from 128.95.168.195 by pv0fd.pav0.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 May 2002 14:49:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.95.168.195] From: "Gia Gavino" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2002 14:49:00.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EF18A30:01C1F1E8] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 14:49:00 +0000 Status: RO I'm wondering if placement of buttons was a way for dry cleaners (or other washer-type establishments) to determine which was a women's garment? I notice that most drycleaners charge substantially more for dry cleaning a women's garment than a man's. I find that if I buy men's shirts to fit, and send them to a cleaners that my bill is less. But to send a women's shirt, same kind of cut and material, it costs more. Just a thought to ponder... Gia/Giacinta >From: "Stevie Gamble" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:13:46 +0100 > >Karen wrote: > > >Of any of the current theories as to why the difference in side came >into > > being, I'm inclined towards the gender indication one. I think it >might > > be along the same lines as when women began wearing slacks/pants in >the > > early 1960's they often fastened on the hip or in the center back >because > > that meant that they were women's clothing and that the woman wasn't > > wearing men's clothing. > >There is an interesting paper on Victorian attempts to enforce gender >in the choice of textiles: > >"Wool cloth and gender: the use of woolen cloth in woman's dress in >Britain 1865-85" > >by Lou Taylor in "Defining Dress: Dress as object, meaning and >identity. >ed. Amy de la Haye and Elizabeth Wilson > >which chimes rather well with your view on this. > >best wishes >Stevie > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 11:26:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08741 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:26:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42FC6h21966; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:12:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42FC0R04660; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout05 (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42F33R29765 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GVH007V3OGYWI@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 02 May 2002 11:02:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3CD155C2.9020707@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Why button on left or right? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 10:05:38 -0500 Status: RO It more than likely had to do with the industry coming up with a type of standard. But I always wondered if it might have had it's beginnings with the statement "A lady on the left is no lady at all.".....Which at our local fair has to do with when ladies are accompanied, they always stand to the right of the man in the lanes. Since ladies had to stand on the right, maybe that is where the gender left vs right thing started?.... I know it is a stretch... just a thought. -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 11:26:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08745 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:26:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42FBqh21926; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:11:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42FBpR04551; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:11:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42EuHR26279 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.152.d445cc4 (4013) for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:56:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <152.d445cc4.2a02ad87@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re:Re: This one's good too Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:56:07 EDT Status: RO << The modern USA is not designed for flambouyantly big skirts!! >> Tell me about it! We have our events at places like churches and stuff, and the doorways and stair cases are all extra-narrow. And lets not even talk about squeezing a farthingale into a child-size restroom stall! I often see 1 or 2 other late Elizabethan noblewomen per event have to lift their hoops on one side to fit through -- very indecent by period standards and odd even today. I made my own hoops from plastic tubing from Home Depot to avoid having to do this. Unlike hoop steel, the tubing will flex into an ellipse if you force yourself through the doorway. I'd rather use hooping wire for authenticity, but modern architecture doesn't let you wear it gracefully. --Gillian --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 11:29:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08756 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:29:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42FFkh22395; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:15:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42FFkR06817; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42F96R03040 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:09:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g42FAvx81439 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200205021510.g42FAvx81439@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? In-Reply-To: "from Gia Gavino at May 2, 2002 02:49:00 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 08:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO that practice on dry cleaners part is now illegal in many places, as it constitutues discrimination in pricing. .heather. > I'm wondering if placement of buttons was a way for dry cleaners (or other > washer-type establishments) to determine which was a women's garment? I > notice that most drycleaners charge substantially more for dry cleaning a > women's garment than a man's. I find that if I buy men's shirts to fit, and > send them to a cleaners that my bill is less. But to send a women's shirt, > same kind of cut and material, it costs more. > > Just a thought to ponder... > > Gia/Giacinta > > > >From: "Stevie Gamble" > >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? > >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:13:46 +0100 > > > >Karen wrote: > > > > > >Of any of the current theories as to why the difference in side came > >into > > > being, I'm inclined towards the gender indication one. I think it > >might > > > be along the same lines as when women began wearing slacks/pants in > >the > > > early 1960's they often fastened on the hip or in the center back > >because > > > that meant that they were women's clothing and that the woman wasn't > > > wearing men's clothing. > > > >There is an interesting paper on Victorian attempts to enforce gender > >in the choice of textiles: > > > >"Wool cloth and gender: the use of woolen cloth in woman's dress in > >Britain 1865-85" > > > >by Lou Taylor in "Defining Dress: Dress as object, meaning and > >identity. > >ed. Amy de la Haye and Elizabeth Wilson > > > >which chimes rather well with your view on this. > > > >best wishes > >Stevie > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 11:42:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08858 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:42:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42FT1h24088; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42FT0R14417; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42FSYR14158 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:28:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.ba.25501e5f (4013) for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:28:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Trim on 14th century Italian dresses? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:28:15 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 4/29/02 11:29:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << If is it trim, how are they getting it around the necklines without puckering on the corners? >> Colleen, while I can't help with any of the rest of it, I can tell you how to curve ribbon trims around a neckline. Use either a hand running stitch or a long straight machine stitch to easestitch lengthwise along the edge of the trim that will be closest to the neckhole. If the trim is wide, you may want to do another running stitch through the middle of the ribbon. You can use a thread color that will blend into the trim and leave it in, or a contrasting color to be removed later. My favorite is to use water soluble thread, available at Clotilde.com and other quilting suppliers including Wal-Mart. Now draw the thread like an ease stitch (as you would for set-in sleeves) and distribute the fullness evenly. Pin the trim in place with silk/dressmaker pins and permanently stitch to the garment along both edges in either a matching thread or invisible nylon (not period, but blends into multicolored trims better). Now shrink out the ease with an iron on the lowest steam setting to make it lie flat. If you used water soluble thread, this will dissolve it at this time and save you the trouble of picking out your easestiches. Hope this helps, Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 12:01:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09044 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 12:01:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42Fm1h26260; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42Fm0R25796; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g42Fl7Y25284 for h-costume@net.indra.com; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:47:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-ID: <20020502094707.C13949@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] TITANIC jump dress to be auctioned Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:47:07 -0600 Status: RO news item: A $35,000 dress worn by actress Kate Winslet in the 1997 blockbuster TITANIC will go on the auction block June 12. It's part of an auction of celebrity memorabilia be- ing conducted by Odyssey Auctions, the publisher of Autograph Collector magazine. The post-Victorian style red silk dress is the costume Rose DeWitt Bukater (Winslet) wore as she contemplated jumping overboard because of her hopeless engagement, but then is saved by Jack Dawson (Leonard DiCaprio). The sequin and lace adorned dress cost $35,000 to make, and is accompanied by a letter of authenticity signed by Salvadore Perez, the film's cos- tume manufacturing foreman. Odyssey Auctions is based in Corona, Calif. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 12:35:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09360 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 12:35:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42GM2h00276; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42GM0R16878; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web11502.mail.yahoo.com (web11502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g42GLPR16538 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:21:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020502162125.30093.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.54.226.52] by web11502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 May 2002 09:21:25 PDT From: Megan Irvine Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Re: This one's good too To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <152.d445cc4.2a02ad87@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --- Azelana@aol.com wrote: > > << The modern USA is not designed for flambouyantly big skirts!! > >> > > Tell me about it! We have our events at places like churches and > stuff, and > the doorways and stair cases are all extra-narrow. And lets not > even talk > about squeezing a farthingale into a child-size restroom stall! [snip] Interesting...I once toured the Laura plantation in New Orleans, and in one room of the house, there was a very narrow doorway--this was the doorway to the mens' room and it was deliberately narrow to indicate that it was not for women! mirv ===== Megan Irvine My EBay storefront: http://www.ebaystores.com/darkthreadsdesigns My personal page: http://www.geocities.com/mirv_sewing/ My business Web site (under construction): http://www.darkthreads.com/ Adventure can be real happiness.--Fortune Cookie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 15:29:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11893 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 15:29:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42JG5h18463; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42JG1R26305; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42JFWR26001 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:15:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVI004WJ05VST@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 May 2002 12:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? In-reply-to: <002701c1f15f$aeec6680$55c98693@creighton.edu> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020502094141.04deec80@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020501132851.00c114c0@mail.frys.com> <00ff01c1f15e$a7f8ba00$c27f4ed5@pavilion> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 09:46:53 -0700 Status: RO >Which might mean that before >mass production, if the garment's maker knew if one were left-handed, or did >or didn't have servants/relatives to help dress one, the garment was made to >the wearer's preference as to fastening left over right or right over left. There are Ren. garments where the buttons go in pairs or triples - one set left-over-right, the next set right-over-left, etc. - all the way down. It may just have been the tailor's preference which way they made things button, or they may have assumed everyone was right-handed (right-handedness apparently being more common then than now, when left-handedness is ok). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 15:30:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11909 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 15:30:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42JGhh18553; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42JGcR26689; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42JFYR26026 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:15:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVI004WJ05VST@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 May 2002 12:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: the level of costuming In-reply-to: <43.ae0f998.2a02a89e@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020502103823.04deb780@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:26:59 -0700 Status: RO >Don't put yourself down; think of it as an opportunity! > And now that others >have "raised the bar," just think how exciting it'll be rising to the >challenge of your NEXT costume... Those are exactly the thoughts I ended up with, after the shock wore off - a new dress for me and better than the old ones. I've learned a lot about finishing techniques and little details in 10 years, partly from being on h-costume, and partly from doing Victorian a lot lately, and many of these are period for the new dress I have in mind (1520-ish, 'German'). I've learned a lot of embroidery and needlework things too, and as many of them as can reasonably be put in one outfit can go into this one. Woo hoo, an excuse to do another dress! First, however, I have to put down my doll project, and finish my formal maid project. So many centuries, so little time... Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 15:30:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11910 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 15:30:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42JGbh18536; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:16:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42JGYR26632; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:16:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42JFXR26012 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 13:15:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVI004WJ05VST@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 May 2002 12:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Mr. Winchester (was Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? In-reply-to: <002101c1f161$7057ab80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020502094834.04de4ef0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020501132851.00c114c0@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 09:51:24 -0700 Status: RO >A >piece of trivia, in 1860, Mr. Winchester decided that it would be more >profitable to make firearms. So do which do you think made him famous? I live near San Jose, CA, where Mr. Winchester's widow built a house, locally known as the 'Winchester Mystery House'. If you're ever in the area, go see it. I think there's at least one of Sarah Winchester's costumes in it (I'm not sure), but the house itself is the largest in the whole area, has nice leaded-glass Tiffany windows, etc. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 19:21:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13035 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:21:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42N7Kh11766; Thu, 2 May 2002 17:07:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42N70R06766; Thu, 2 May 2002 17:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42N68R06393 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 17:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KeckSimba@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.71.1ee1a7b3 (660) for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:05:59 -0400 (EDT) From: KeckSimba@aol.com Message-ID: <71.1ee1a7b3.2a032056@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: the level of costuming To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 19:05:58 EDT Status: RO Hi! I am new to this list and not quite sure how it works. I recently opened a costume shop and am looking for some good wholesale suppliers for costumes and accessories. I make some of them myself but need others also.any help from anyone out there would be greatly appreciated.Thank You! Bonnie of Bonnies Costumes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 19:30:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13065 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:30:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42NH2h12449; Thu, 2 May 2002 17:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42NH0R11092; Thu, 2 May 2002 17:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g42NGiR10949 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 17:16:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.165.cb09427 (4241) for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:16:26 -0400 (EDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Message-ID: <165.cb09427.2a0322ca@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Costume sourcing info To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_165.cb09427.2a0322ca_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 19:16:26 EDT Status: RO --part1_165.cb09427.2a0322ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where are you located? You might want to pick up a copy of the "Whole Costumers Catalog" which has source information for suppliers all over the country. Are you looking for built costumes? Do you rent to individuals or theaters? Feel free to contact me off list and I'll see what I can come up with for you. I'm in the SF Bay Area. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "Nay then, let the devil wear black, for I'll have a suit of sables..." W. Shakespeare In a message dated 5/2/2002 4:08:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, KeckSimba@aol.com writes: > Hi! I am new to this list and not quite sure how it works. I recently opened > > a costume shop and am looking for some good wholesale suppliers for > costumes > and accessories. I make some of them myself but need others also.any help > from anyone out there would be greatly appreciated.Thank You! Bonnie of > Bonnies Costumes > --part1_165.cb09427.2a0322ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where are you located?  You might want to pick up a copy of the "Whole Costumers Catalog" which has source information for suppliers all over the country.  Are you looking for built costumes?  Do you rent to individuals or theaters?  Feel free to contact me off list and I'll see what I can come up with for you.  I'm in the SF Bay Area.

angela
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Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
Theatrical Costume Design
www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
"Nay then, let the devil wear black,
for I'll have a suit of sables..."
W. Shakespeare

In a message dated 5/2/2002 4:08:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, KeckSimba@aol.com writes:


Hi! I am new to this list and not quite sure how it works. I recently opened
a costume shop and am looking for some good wholesale suppliers for costumes
and accessories. I make some of them myself but need others also.any help
from anyone out there would be greatly appreciated.Thank You! Bonnie of
Bonnies Costumes


 --part1_165.cb09427.2a0322ca_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 20:47:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13372 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 20:47:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g430Y3h18148; Thu, 2 May 2002 18:34:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g430Y1R10512; Thu, 2 May 2002 18:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g430XqR10456 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 18:33:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.12d.10a42e3f (4556) for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 20:33:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.10a42e3f.2a0334e6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: the level of costuming To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12d.10a42e3f.2a0334e6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10034 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:33:42 EDT Status: RO --part1_12d.10a42e3f.2a0334e6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where are you, and what sorts of things do you do? Dress-up, Halloween, Ren Faire, Fantasy, or ? Ann Wass --part1_12d.10a42e3f.2a0334e6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where are you, and what sorts of things do you do?  Dress-up, Halloween, Ren Faire, Fantasy, or ?
Ann Wass --part1_12d.10a42e3f.2a0334e6_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 21:22:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13474 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 21:22:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g43194h19767; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g43191R20804; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (ip252.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4318fR20699 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBB610F8BD for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 21:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C1C4F3A802C for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 21:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010201c1f23e$d446fa00$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <12d.10a42e3f.2a0334e6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: the level of costuming MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C1F21D.4D1FD630" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 21:07:00 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C1F21D.4D1FD630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, there's a question with as many answers as there are members of = the list! I am in south central PA, and I do SCA costuming. I consider mysefl = still at beginner level, as I am working on Tudor and Elizabethan garb, = and there is quite a large learning curve. Dianne ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AnnBWass@aol.com=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: the level of costuming Where are you, and what sorts of things do you do? Dress-up, = Halloween, Ren Faire, Fantasy, or ? Ann Wass=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C1F21D.4D1FD630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Ann Wass=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C1F21D.4D1FD630-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 23:03:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13862 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 23:03:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g432o2h25541; Thu, 2 May 2002 20:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g432o0R19939; Thu, 2 May 2002 20:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f94.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.94]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g432nSR19802 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 20:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:49:23 -0700 Received: from 12.224.202.209 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 May 2002 02:49:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.224.202.209] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2002 02:49:23.0071 (UTC) FILETIME=[217390F0:01C1F24D] Subject: [h-cost] where and what? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 19:49:22 -0700 Status: RO Where are you, and what sorts of things do you do? Dress-up, Halloween, Ren >Faire, Fantasy, or ? Ann Wass I'm west of Portland OR and I do all of the above plus SCA. I also sew for myself and my two teen daughters. They can get VERY creative with what they want to wear sometimes. No dress code at school means sometimes my 15 yr old wears my garb to class just for fun. Since my obsession with beads started a couple years ago I have been trying out all kinds of clothes to add beads to. I'm also learning to make beaded amulet purses in all shapes and sizes. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 2 23:04:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13870 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 23:04:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g432p1h25629; Thu, 2 May 2002 20:51:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g432p0R20273; Thu, 2 May 2002 20:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd3mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g432oHR20045 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 20:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr4so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.215]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVI00FH3KKN51@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 May 2002 20:36:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml3so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.147]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVI003CQKKN5O@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 May 2002 20:36:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shaw.ca (h24-83-104-177.vf.shawcable.net [24.83.104.177]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVI00DA2KKMEE@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 May 2002 20:36:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Shalazar Subject: Re: Mr. Winchester (was Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3CD1FB42.32BD6505@shaw.ca> Organization: Shalazar Creations MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1 (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020501132851.00c114c0@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020502094834.04de4ef0@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: shalazar@shaw.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 19:51:46 -0700 Status: RO I love this place We have been 3 times, last time I brought my Hubby, he was fascinated especially those windows... And hey, your swap meet is not too bad either. Nan -- "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." - Douglas Adams (1952-2001) English novelist "Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph." ` -Haile Selassie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 3 05:15:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10790 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 05:15:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4392Ih10201; Fri, 3 May 2002 03:02:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4392FR20376; Fri, 3 May 2002 03:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g437VRR01978 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 01:31:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVI0085LY8CX9@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 03 May 2002 00:31:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: the level of costuming In-reply-to: <12d.10a42e3f.2a0334e6@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020503000934.04c978e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 00:10:56 -0700 Status: RO >Where are you, San Leandro, CA, just south of Oakland, just across the bay from San Francisco. >and what sorts of things do you do? Dress-up, Halloween, Ren Faire, >Fantasy, or ? Yes, yes, yes, yes, and fibre art/wearable art. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 3 05:16:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10794 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 05:16:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4392fh10238; Fri, 3 May 2002 03:02:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4392bR20452; Fri, 3 May 2002 03:02:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g438v2R19363 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 02:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A12541D0200; Fri, 03 May 2002 03:58:13 -0500 Message-ID: <00cd01c1f280$6a36da80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <200205011801.g41I1mR28310@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020501132851.00c114c0@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020502094834.04de4ef0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: Mr. Winchester (was Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 04:56:28 -0400 Status: RO Kayta, I saw an article about the house on the web. It is beautiful! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 3 08:02:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11631 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 08:02:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g43Bn4h14219; Fri, 3 May 2002 05:49:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g43Bn0R22808; Fri, 3 May 2002 05:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g43BmhR22738 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 05:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jkale.public.srce.hr (st02-020.dialin.iskon.hr [213.202.67.21]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id g43BmHw08810 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 13:48:18 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020503135854.00a5ac40@jagor.srce.hr> X-Sender: jkale@jagor.srce.hr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jadran Kale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] article: etiquette colours Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 14:01:52 +0200 Status: RO In China? Mind your hat http://www.iht.com/articles/56509.html A Washington State agriculture official who was touring China a few years ago handed out bright green baseball caps at every stop without noticing that none of the men would put them on or that all the women were giggling. Finally, a Chinese-American in the delegation took the man aside and informed him that to wear a green hat is the Chinese symbol of a cuckold. It is the bane of the business traveler in an unfamiliar culture: making a comment or gesture that is meant to be friendly but that offends or embarrasses the hosts. Mocking a man's masculinity is only one of the inadvertent slights that visiting corporate executives and government officials can make in China that serve to emphasize the cultural gaps they are trying hard to minimize. Happily, such cross-cultural faux pas are no longer deal killers. Globalization has narrowed the cultural divide, and these days the Chinese are experienced enough in dealing with foreigners to shrug off indiscretions. Even stabbing chopsticks into a bowl of rice and leaving them there (an act of hostility among Chinese because it signifies death) would be laughed off (nervously) by locals unless it was done with obvious intent. What really matters is a friendly attitude and a patient manner. Even so, the worst gaffes still leave a bad impression and the right gestures still earn respect. One rule of thumb is understand the Chinese worldview. Don St. Pierre Jr., who has spent his adult life doing business in China, recalls a Canadian winemaker telling Chinese reporters in Shanghai that he expected his "ultrapremium" wine to do well in China because it had done well in Japan and the two cultures had so much in common. Resentment of Japan runs very deep in China, particularly in Shanghai, which was bombed and occupied by the Japanese during World War II. The Chinese regard Japan's culture as derivative of their own far more ancient traditions and bristle at Japanese notions of superiority. St. Pierre nudged the winemaker beneath the table, but by the time the man had stopped speaking, the room was quiet enough to hear a Champagne bubble burst. The damage had been done, St. Pierre said, even though the winemaker had hired an expensive international public relations firm to brief him on what he should and should not say. "Which shows how useful that advice can be," St. Pierre added. Duncan Clark, a consultant based in Beijing, says locally hired secretaries are generally a better first line of defense for multinationals. He recalled that during his days at Morgan Stanley in Hong Kong, the firm ordered expensive clocks to give as gifts commemorating the closing of a deal. The firm's local staff caught the mistake: to "give a clock" in Chinese sounds the same as "seeing someone off to his end." With thousands of years of accumulated cultural snippets to sift through, an outsider cannot hope to catch every potential pitfall. The Chinese language is filled with embarrassing puns and unlucky homonyms that at best can cause snickers behind a foreigner's back. Besides clocks, giving umbrellas is taboo because doing so is homonymous with a phrase that means the person's family will be dispersed. Books, too, are unlucky presents because "giving a book" sounds the same as "delivering defeat." China's many dialects multiply the risks. Shanghai natives chuckle at Va Bene, an expensive Italian restaurant that recently opened in town, because the Italian name meaning "it goes well" sounds like Shanghainese for "not cheap." Color is another cue that can send an unintended message. One multinational company giving gifts from Tiffany replaced the white ribbons on the jeweler's famous robin's-egg blue boxes with red ribbons after the company's Shanghai employees pointed out that white in China signifies death, while red is lucky and is used for celebrations. Picking numbers for everything from product prices to telephones is also tricky. Avoid 4, a homonym for death in Chinese, and load up on 8s, a number that is pronounced the same as "making money" in the southern Cantonese dialect. But even an experienced Sinologist like Clark was mystified when his Beijing workers objected to pricing a product at 250 yuan. It turned out that in northern China, calling someone "250" is to say the person is nuts. Clark's confusion illustrates the regional diversity of cultural quirks in a country as big as China. In the south, people tap two fingers on the table to say thanks, but people in the north might think the gesture is just a nervous tic. On the other hand, a few generalizations apply across Asia. Most seasoned business travelers from the United States and Europe caught on long ago to the tradition of indulging in small talk and meandering toward the main point rather than getting down to business right away. They have also come to appreciate the importance of "face" in Asian societies. Scott Seligman, author of "Chinese Business Etiquette: A Guide to Protocol, Manners, and Culture in the People's Republic of China" (Warner Books, 1999), says face is the most important concept for foreigners in China to master. "It's not that we don't have a concept of face, but the Chinese raise face to high art," he said. "It's a fragile commodity in China that can easily be lost." Seligman added, "The trigger doesn't have to be extreme. You can contradict somebody in front of someone who is lower ranking and cause the person to lose face. Even the simple act of saying no to somebody can make that person lose face." Journalists are not immune. This reporter once made a gaffe by suggesting in a way intended to be complimentary that a central government official across the table was "probably too young to remember" some minor event in the past. In the context in which it was said, age-obsessed Americans would have taken the comment as a flattering suggestion that they looked too young to remember whatever historical reference was being made. But in China, where age is revered, the comment made the official and his entourage blanch, apparently wondering whether it was a veiled insult suggesting the man was too junior to warrant respect. Bob Kapp, president of the U.S.-$ China Business Council, says his advice on how to avoid blunders in China has not changed in 30 years. "Be modest in demeanor. Listen well. Preach little," he says. "Watch how others do things and follow suit." Craig S. Smith The New York Times Friday, May 3, 2002 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 3 14:12:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13854 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 14:12:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g43Hwih13457; Fri, 3 May 2002 11:58:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g43HwgR05770; Fri, 3 May 2002 11:58:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g43HsjR03540 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 11:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g43HuYZ90064 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 3 May 2002 10:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200205031756.g43HuYZ90064@jabberwock.wonderland.com> To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] smithsonian sewing machine Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO a neat link on the history of sewing machines http://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/index.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 3 17:21:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14886 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 17:21:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g43L7Wh00480; Fri, 3 May 2002 15:07:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g43L7TR13406; Fri, 3 May 2002 15:07:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g43KelR29611 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 14:40:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVJ008XYYRXX4@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 03 May 2002 13:40:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020503133321.04cff220@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 13:35:30 -0700 Status: RO In case anyone wants to see them, here are some recent examples of SCA costuming, taken this past January: http://www.keradwc.com/20020105_west12/ Even some old Hippies of my SCA acquaintance are dressing better. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 3 18:05:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15082 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 18:05:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g43Lqih04405; Fri, 3 May 2002 15:52:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g43LqhR07355; Fri, 3 May 2002 15:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12803.mail.yahoo.com (web12803.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g43LbDR29135 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 15:37:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020503213712.75736.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.18.199.151] by web12803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 May 2002 14:37:12 PDT From: Truly Biggs To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020503133321.04cff220@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] New to this list Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 14:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Hello everyone, I am new to this list and thought I would introduce myself. My name is Truly Smith Biggs and I live in Houston, TX. My deep interest in historic costume led me to an MFA in Costume Technology at the University of Texas at Austin, and also to the SCA. I did freelance costume work for four years around the US (don't worry, I won't give you my resume - if anyone is interested in where or when I worked at what theater - feel free to write me) but have eventually settled down to a totally non-creative computer job at Compaq computers (soon to be Hewlitt Packard) My husband and my two year old son are very pleased that I no longer work theater hours. I still make period clothing every chance I can get, and have a small business making hats for actors and re-enactors. Please visit my website if you wish: www.trulyoriginals.com I look forward to learning from and conversing with you all! Thanks, Truly __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 3 19:48:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15538 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 19:48:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g43NYnh12006; Fri, 3 May 2002 17:34:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g43NYgR19418; Fri, 3 May 2002 17:34:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g43NHjR13888 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 17:17:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020503231739.TSIS9799.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 23:17:39 +0000 Message-ID: <041101c1f2f8$c48d2480$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: <20020503213712.75736.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to this list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 18:16:48 -0500 Status: RO Welcome Truly!!! I have long been a fan of your work and have missed the last two classes you did on Draping in Dallas, (I think it was two classes). PLEASE do another class soon for us!! :) List, this woman is phenomenal! She is one of a handful I aspire to be like. :) Will you be teaching at King's College? Sincerely, Franchesca Havas McKinney, Texas `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°` ----- Original Message ----- From: "Truly Biggs" To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] New to this list > > Hello everyone, > > I am new to this list and thought I would introduce myself. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 4 06:33:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA13552 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 06:33:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g44AKjh08281; Sat, 4 May 2002 04:20:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44AKgR02475; Sat, 4 May 2002 04:20:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepF.post.tele.dk (fepF.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44A9nR28071 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 04:09:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.120]) by fepF.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020504100947.WNFC6037.fepF.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 12:09:47 +0200 Message-ID: <3CD3B385.9D4B79BA@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples References: <4.3.1.2.20020503133321.04cff220@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 12:10:13 +0200 Status: RO Hi Carolyn. I think this would be a challenge for you! Dont be afraid, to go for it, and think about how lucky you are to have such a bunch of wonderfull reenactors to be together with. I have to go several hundred of kilometers to find some to join at Stockholm. Thanks for sharing those gorgeous costumes with us Bjarne Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > In case anyone wants to see them, here are some recent examples of SCA > costuming, taken this past January: > > http://www.keradwc.com/20020105_west12/ > > Even some old Hippies of my SCA acquaintance are dressing better. > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 4 09:58:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14599 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 09:58:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g44Dinh15960; Sat, 4 May 2002 07:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44DigR06671; Sat, 4 May 2002 07:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44DIWR01686 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 07:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from henk (xs241-233-174.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.233.174]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id A14AE8A44DC for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 15:18:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <006c01c1f36e$1075eb00$70f0f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020503133321.04cff220@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C1F37E.B47FFC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 15:16:46 +0200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C1F37E.B47FFC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Kayta, You wrote: >In case anyone wants to see them, here are some recent examples of = SCA=20 costuming, taken this past January: http://www.keradwc.com/20020105_west12/ >Even some old Hippies of my SCA acquaintance are dressing better. Agreed. While at first glance it all looks pretty and impressive, a = closer look discovers all kinds of faults. Too much velvet and shiny = satin (reminds me of curtains all the time), too many machine produced = patterned materials and trims, too wide belts (and too many white ones = as well, when are they stopping that stupid rule...), too much modern = jewellery, too few female headkerchiefs, too little wool and linen, etc. = etc. Overall I see things getting better with the SCA, but this is = really too much 'creative anachronism'. By the way: why do SCAdians not = study the way medieval and renaissance people were named; it still is = more fantasy than reality. And for God's sake, why don't they take off = their glasses when they get their picture taken! Henk Visit the colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage=20 Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C1F37E.B47FFC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Kayta,
 
You wrote:
>In case anyone wants to see them, here are some recent = examples of=20 SCA
costuming, taken this past January:

http://www.keradwc.com/2= 0020105_west12/

>Even=20 some old Hippies of my SCA acquaintance are dressing better.
 
 
Agreed. While at first glance it all looks pretty and impressive, = a=20 closer look discovers all kinds of faults. Too much velvet and shiny = satin=20 (reminds me of curtains all the time), too many machine produced = patterned=20 materials and trims, too wide belts (and too many white ones as well, = when are=20 they stopping that stupid rule...), too much modern jewellery, too few = female=20 headkerchiefs, too little wool and linen, etc. etc. Overall I see = things=20 getting better with the SCA, but this is really too much 'creative=20 anachronism'. By the way: why do SCAdians not study the way medieval = and=20 renaissance people were named; it still is more fantasy than reality. = And for=20 God's sake, why don't they take off their glasses when they get = their=20 picture taken!
 
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the colourful tScapreel website;
Separate English pages=20 clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl


Kayta
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------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C1F37E.B47FFC80-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 4 16:04:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16484 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 16:04:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g44Jphh05086; Sat, 4 May 2002 13:51:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44JpfR25434; Sat, 4 May 2002 13:51:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts22.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.184]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44JTUR21025 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 13:29:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from acs.ryerson.ca ([64.231.185.103]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020504192910.YXLI17922.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@acs.ryerson.ca> for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 15:29:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD43653.243C797@acs.ryerson.ca> From: Kathy Cleaver X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? References: <001c01c1f1ca$6dfa69e0$14a57ad5@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 15:28:19 -0400 Status: RO And for the original questions about buttonholes, the article in DRESS was by Judith Lopez in 1993 titled "Buttonholes: some Differences in Gender-Related Front Closures" Kathy Stevie Gamble wrote: > Karen wrote: > > Of any of the current theories as to why the difference in side came > into > > being, I'm inclined towards the gender indication one. I think it > might > > be along the same lines as when women began wearing slacks/pants in > the > > early 1960's they often fastened on the hip or in the center back > because > > that meant that they were women's clothing and that the woman wasn't > > wearing men's clothing. > > There is an interesting paper on Victorian attempts to enforce gender > in the choice of textiles: > > "Wool cloth and gender: the use of woolen cloth in woman's dress in > Britain 1865-85" > > by Lou Taylor in "Defining Dress: Dress as object, meaning and > identity. > ed. Amy de la Haye and Elizabeth Wilson > > which chimes rather well with your view on this. > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 4 16:09:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16509 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 16:09:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g44Jtoh05337; Sat, 4 May 2002 13:55:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44JtoR26284; Sat, 4 May 2002 13:55:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g43LVNR26307 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 15:31:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVK009IQ14B0Z@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 03 May 2002 14:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20020503133321.04cff220@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020503143055.04ca0cc0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 14:31:20 -0700 Status: RO > Even some old Hippies of my SCA acquaintance are dressing better. Did you mean that some of these people are "old Hippies of my SCA acquaintance" who have made strides forward in their garb, or that you know old hippies who can do a better job than the people pictured? Even some of the old Hippies of my SCA acquaintance, who are pictured here, are dressing better than they used to dress. Sorry about the confusion. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 4 18:01:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16984 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 18:01:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g44LmUh11764; Sat, 4 May 2002 15:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44LmOR19299; Sat, 4 May 2002 15:48:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44LYuR16398 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 15:34:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.12f.10e8eacc (4208) for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 17:34:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.10e8eacc.2a05adf5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why button on left or right? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:34:45 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/4/2002 3:52:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kcleaver@acs.ryerson.ca writes: << And for the original questions about buttonholes, the article in DRESS was by Judith Lopez in 1993 titled "Buttonholes: some Differences in Gender-Related Front Closures" >> So she did publish her work. I heard her give a presentation some time before that. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 4 18:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17241 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 18:58:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g44Mieh14924; Sat, 4 May 2002 16:44:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44MiYR00446; Sat, 4 May 2002 16:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44MSRR27252 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 16:28:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.51.1d85ce62 (4410) for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 18:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <51.1d85ce62.2a05ba83@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_51.1d85ce62.2a05ba83_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 18:28:19 EDT Status: RO --part1_51.1d85ce62.2a05ba83_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/4/02 6:45:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, scapreel@tip.nl writes: > . And for God's sake, why don't they take off their glasses when they get > their picture taken! Well I gave taking off my glasses in the early digits of the SCA. We were doing a fashion show as part of a TV broadcast and they convinced me to go without my glasses...almost fell off the stage getting off could not find the stairs :) Osmondia --part1_51.1d85ce62.2a05ba83_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/4/02 6:45:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, scapreel@tip.nl writes:


. And for God's sake, why don't they take off their glasses when they get their picture taken!


Well I gave taking off my glasses in the  early digits of the SCA.  We were doing a fashion show as part of a TV broadcast and they convinced me to go without my glasses...almost fell off the stage getting off could not find the stairs :)

Osmondia --part1_51.1d85ce62.2a05ba83_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 01:15:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31931 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 01:15:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4652ZC02814; Sun, 5 May 2002 23:02:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4652PR04427; Sun, 5 May 2002 23:02:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g446oiR26340 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 00:50:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A50161E0106; Sat, 04 May 2002 01:51:45 -0500 Message-ID: <00c501c1f337$ee02db40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020503135854.00a5ac40@jagor.srce.hr> Subject: Re: [h-cost] article: etiquette colours X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 02:50:08 -0400 Status: RO LOL... one of the biggest things that is taught in marketing is to know your targeted market. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jadran Kale" To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: [h-cost] article: etiquette colours > In China? Mind your hat > http://www.iht.com/articles/56509.html > A Washington State agriculture official who was touring China a few years > ago handed out bright green baseball caps at every stop without noticing > that none of the men would put them on or that all the women were giggling. > > Finally, a Chinese-American in the delegation took the man aside and > informed him that to wear a green hat is the Chinese symbol of a cuckold. > It is the bane of the business traveler in an unfamiliar culture: making a > comment or gesture that is meant to be friendly but that offends or > embarrasses the hosts. Mocking a man's masculinity is only one of the > inadvertent slights that visiting corporate executives and government > officials can make in China that serve to emphasize the cultural gaps they > are trying hard to minimize. > > Happily, such cross-cultural faux pas are no longer deal killers. > Globalization has narrowed the cultural divide, and these days the Chinese > are experienced enough in dealing with foreigners to shrug off > indiscretions. Even stabbing chopsticks into a bowl of rice and leaving > them there (an act of hostility among Chinese because it signifies death) > would be laughed off (nervously) by locals unless it was done with obvious > intent. What really matters is a friendly attitude and a patient manner. > Even so, the worst gaffes still leave a bad impression and the right > gestures still earn respect. > > One rule of thumb is understand the Chinese worldview. Don St. Pierre Jr., > who has spent his adult life doing business in China, recalls a Canadian > winemaker telling Chinese reporters in Shanghai that he expected his > "ultrapremium" wine to do well in China because it had done well in Japan > and the two cultures had so much in common. > > Resentment of Japan runs very deep in China, particularly in Shanghai, > which was bombed and occupied by the Japanese during World War II. The > Chinese regard Japan's culture as derivative of their own far more ancient > traditions and bristle at Japanese notions of superiority. > > St. Pierre nudged the winemaker beneath the table, but by the time the man > had stopped speaking, the room was quiet enough to hear a Champagne bubble > burst. The damage had been done, St. Pierre said, even though the winemaker > had hired an expensive international public relations firm to brief him on > what he should and should not say. "Which shows how useful that advice can > be," St. Pierre added. > > Duncan Clark, a consultant based in Beijing, says locally hired secretaries > are generally a better first line of defense for multinationals. He > recalled that during his days at Morgan Stanley in Hong Kong, the firm > ordered expensive clocks to give as gifts commemorating the closing of a > deal. The firm's local staff caught the mistake: to "give a clock" in > Chinese sounds the same as "seeing someone off to his end." > > With thousands of years of accumulated cultural snippets to sift through, > an outsider cannot hope to catch every potential pitfall. The Chinese > language is filled with embarrassing puns and unlucky homonyms that at best > can cause snickers behind a foreigner's back. > > Besides clocks, giving umbrellas is taboo because doing so is homonymous > with a phrase that means the person's family will be dispersed. Books, too, > are unlucky presents because "giving a book" sounds the same as "delivering > defeat." > > China's many dialects multiply the risks. Shanghai natives chuckle at Va > Bene, an expensive Italian restaurant that recently opened in town, because > the Italian name meaning "it goes well" sounds like Shanghainese for "not > cheap." > > Color is another cue that can send an unintended message. One multinational > company giving gifts from Tiffany replaced the white ribbons on the > jeweler's famous robin's-egg blue boxes with red ribbons after the > company's Shanghai employees pointed out that white in China signifies > death, while red is lucky and is used for celebrations. > > Picking numbers for everything from product prices to telephones is also > tricky. Avoid 4, a homonym for death in Chinese, and load up on 8s, a > number that is pronounced the same as "making money" in the southern > Cantonese dialect. > > But even an experienced Sinologist like Clark was mystified when his > Beijing workers objected to pricing a product at 250 yuan. It turned out > that in northern China, calling someone "250" is to say the person is nuts. > > Clark's confusion illustrates the regional diversity of cultural quirks in > a country as big as China. In the south, people tap two fingers on the > table to say thanks, but people in the north might think the gesture is > just a nervous tic. > > On the other hand, a few generalizations apply across Asia. Most seasoned > business travelers from the United States and Europe caught on long ago to > the tradition of indulging in small talk and meandering toward the main > point rather than getting down to business right away. > > They have also come to appreciate the importance of "face" in Asian > societies. Scott Seligman, author of "Chinese Business Etiquette: A Guide > to Protocol, Manners, and Culture in the People's Republic of China" > (Warner Books, 1999), says face is the most important concept for > foreigners in China to master. > > "It's not that we don't have a concept of face, but the Chinese raise face > to high art," he said. "It's a fragile commodity in China that can easily > be lost." > > Seligman added, "The trigger doesn't have to be extreme. You can contradict > somebody in front of someone who is lower ranking and cause the person to > lose face. Even the simple act of saying no to somebody can make that > person lose face." > > Journalists are not immune. This reporter once made a gaffe by suggesting > in a way intended to be complimentary that a central government official > across the table was "probably too young to remember" some minor event in > the past. > > In the context in which it was said, age-obsessed Americans would have > taken the comment as a flattering suggestion that they looked too young to > remember whatever historical reference was being made. > > But in China, where age is revered, the comment made the official and his > entourage blanch, apparently wondering whether it was a veiled insult > suggesting the man was too junior to warrant respect. > > Bob Kapp, president of the U.S.-$ China Business Council, says his advice > on how to avoid blunders in China has not changed in 30 years. > > "Be modest in demeanor. Listen well. Preach little," he says. "Watch how > others do things and follow suit." > > Craig S. Smith > The New York Times > Friday, May 3, 2002 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 01:16:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31937 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 01:16:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4653cC02994; Sun, 5 May 2002 23:03:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4653bR04846; Sun, 5 May 2002 23:03:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44F3iR22572 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 09:03:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-122-184-238.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.184.238] helo=dan) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17414Y-0001jl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 May 2002 16:03:43 +0100 Message-ID: <006d01c1f37d$1702b700$eeb87ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020503133321.04cff220@mail.frys.com> <006c01c1f36e$1075eb00$70f0f1c3@henk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 16:05:10 +0100 Status: RO Henk wrote: re: http://www.keradwc.com/20020105_west12/ > While at first glance it all looks pretty and impressive, a closer look discovers > all kinds of faults .... including >too much modern jewellery Hear, Hear! Yards and yards of plastic pearls are the worst of all, in my view. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 01:16:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31941 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 01:16:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4653gC03016; Sun, 5 May 2002 23:03:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4653fR04877; Sun, 5 May 2002 23:03:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44FjUR02201 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 09:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.202.31.238] (resnet216-151.resnet.wmich.edu [141.218.216.151]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g44FjTs27712 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 08:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006c01c1f36e$1075eb00$70f0f1c3@henk> References: <4.3.1.2.20020503133321.04cff220@mail.frys.com> <006c01c1f36e$1075eb00$70f0f1c3@henk> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 11:45:33 -0400 Status: RO At 3:16 PM +0200 5/4/02, Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: >By the way: why do SCAdians not study the way medieval and >renaissance people were named; it still is more fantasy than reality. Why do you assume that nobody is studying this? Some of us do -- in fact, some of us do it professionally in the Real World. Just because not _everyone_ in a group is doing something doesn't mean that _nobody_ in the group is doing it. Same for costuming: Kayta is commenting on what she sees as a significantly increased quality at the "higher end"; you're saying "but there are still lots of people doing awful stuff". Both observations are true -- but the fact that some people in a group are doing low-quality work doesn't negate the high-quality work being done, in terms of individual accomplishment. It would be sort of like complaining that the H-Costume list has "all kinds of faults" because not everyone on the list works to the same high standard. It may be true, but is it useful? Heather (SCAdian about to give a paper tomorrow on medieval Welsh naming practices at the Kalamazoo medieval studies conference) -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 01:16:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31945 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 01:16:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4653jC03044; Sun, 5 May 2002 23:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4653jR04916; Sun, 5 May 2002 23:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44FnRR03208 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 09:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.6.74.154] helo=dan) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 1741mo-0004dK-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 May 2002 16:49:27 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c1f383$7ac54ae0$9a4a063e@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020503133321.04cff220@mail.frys.com> <3CD3B385.9D4B79BA@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 16:50:52 +0100 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: >think about how lucky you are to have such a bunch of wonderfull >reenactors to be together with. >I have to go several hundred of kilometers to find some to join at >Stockholm. >Thanks for sharing those gorgeous costumes with us Bjarne, you are being far too modest; there's absolutely no comparison between your work and that shown in the SCA photos that Carolyn referred us to. As Henk noted, it looks good at first but when you look closely you see that there is not much substance and a lot of illusion. Anyone looking at your costumes cannot fail to be both thrilled and humbled by the sheer range of your virtuousity. best wishes Stevie Bjarne Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > In case anyone wants to see them, here are some recent examples of SCA > costuming, taken this past January: > > http://www.keradwc.com/20020105_west12/ > > Even some old Hippies of my SCA acquaintance are dressing better. > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 01:17:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31952 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 01:17:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4654FC03121; Sun, 5 May 2002 23:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4654ER05091; Sun, 5 May 2002 23:04:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44HpSR29744 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 11:51:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVL00HT4LLQSI@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 May 2002 10:51:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples In-reply-to: <006c01c1f36e$1075eb00$70f0f1c3@henk> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020504104615.04da0e70@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020503133321.04cff220@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 10:47:46 -0700 Status: RO >> >In case anyone wants to see them, here are some recent examples of SCA >>costuming, taken this past January: >> >>http://www.keradwc.com/20020105_west12/ >> >> >Even some old Hippies of my SCA acquaintance are dressing better. >> >> >>Agreed. While at first glance it all looks pretty and impressive, a >>closer look discovers all kinds of faults. Too much velvet and shiny >>satin (reminds me of curtains all the time), too many machine produced >>patterned materials and trims, too wide belts (and too many white ones as >>well, when are they stopping that stupid rule...), too much modern >>jewellery, too few female headkerchiefs, too little wool and linen, etc. >>etc. Overall I see things getting better with the SCA, but this is really >>too much 'creative anachronism'. By the way: why do SCAdians not study >>the way medieval and renaissance people were named; it still is more >>fantasy than reality. And for God's sake, why don't they take off their >>glasses when they get their picture taken! My only point is - you should have seen the level ten years ago, if you find so much to complain about now. Twenty years ago it was worse yet. Thirty years ago, just after I joined, it was awful. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 01:30:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32047 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 01:30:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g465HUC04076; Sun, 5 May 2002 23:17:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g465HTR08004; Sun, 5 May 2002 23:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g45Df7R15046 for ; Sun, 5 May 2002 07:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from att.net ([12.77.179.98]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020505134102.YWQR2855.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Sun, 5 May 2002 13:41:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3CD5375F.81113485@att.net> From: Crissy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to this list References: <20020503213712.75736.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 09:45:04 -0400 Status: RO Hello Truly! Your hats are just GORGEOUS! I got a chance to look at them up close and personal at Gulf Wars. Love to learn from you too. Crissy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 01:31:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32059 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 01:31:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g465IuC04497; Sun, 5 May 2002 23:18:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g465IuR08703; Sun, 5 May 2002 23:18:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g461VIR16578 for ; Sun, 5 May 2002 19:31:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 66-44-7-15.s1793.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.7.15] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 174XLR-0004AO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 05 May 2002 21:31:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD5DD71.9090401@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010801 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] 1666 Stuf coat?? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 21:33:37 -0400 Status: RO Hi, I'm hoping you learned folks in 17th cent stuff can help my cousin and me out with a genealogy curiosity. We have a will from 1666 (You can see it at http://www.oldwaylane.net/BenjaminWilson1666.html) and we are wondering what a 'stuf coat' is! In the 4th line there is a blob of ink, right near where it looks like "stuf' coat. It says it again in the line just below. Is this some sort of coat, or are we reading the handwriting wrong? Any sharp eyes out there?? Thanks for any help, Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 05:31:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29122 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 05:31:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g469H8C16770; Mon, 6 May 2002 03:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g469H1R19935; Mon, 6 May 2002 03:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f177.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.177]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g469GOR19833 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 03:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 May 2002 02:16:18 -0700 Received: from 193.237.15.43 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 May 2002 09:16:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.237.15.43] From: "David Angel Aware" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1666 Stuf coat?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2002 09:16:18.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE50EA20:01C1F4DE] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 09:16:18 +0000 Status: RO 'Stuf' is 'any old cloth' i.e. wool. The same goes for 'cloth' which means wool. The meaning of the words have changed over the hundreds of years. 'Stuf' is not a particulaly good wool like a melton would be, a fine broadcloth etc. David From: Judy Mitchell Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1666 Stuf coat?? Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 21:33:37 -0400 Hi, I'm hoping you learned folks in 17th cent stuff can help my cousin and me out with a genealogy curiosity. We have a will from 1666 (You can see it at http://www.oldwaylane.net/BenjaminWilson1666.html) and we are wondering what a 'stuf coat' is! In the 4th line there is a blob of ink, right near where it looks like "stuf' coat. It says it again in the line just below. Is this some sort of coat, or are we reading the handwriting wrong? Any sharp eyes out there?? Thanks for any help, Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 06:57:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29416 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 06:57:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Ai2C20777; Mon, 6 May 2002 04:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Ai1R05865; Mon, 6 May 2002 04:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46AhfR05812 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 04:43:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from henk (xs241-216-141.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.216.141]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id AE4A98A5B9B for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:43:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <007d01c1f4ea$c199eee0$8dd8f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <51.1d85ce62.2a05ba83@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C1F4F4.24DDD580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 11:49:57 +0200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C1F4F4.24DDD580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi, You wrote: >Well I gave taking off my glasses in the early digits of the SCA. = We were doing a fashion show as part of a TV broadcast and they = convinced me to go without my glasses...almost fell off the stage = getting off could not find the stairs :) There's an easy trick to that: keep your glasses in a purse or bag at = your belt and put 'em on when things get hairy sightwise. Henk Visit the colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage=20 Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C1F4F4.24DDD580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi,
 
You wrote:
>Well I gave = taking off my=20 glasses in the  early digits of the SCA.  We were doing a = fashion=20 show as part of a TV broadcast and they convinced me to go without my=20 glasses...almost fell off the stage getting off could not find the = stairs=20 :)

There's an easy trick to that: keep your glasses in a purse = or bag=20 at your belt and put 'em on when things get hairy=20 sightwise.
 
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the colourful tScapreel website;
Separate English pages=20 clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C1F4F4.24DDD580-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 06:58:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29420 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 06:58:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46AiIC20818; Mon, 6 May 2002 04:44:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46AiHR05924; Mon, 6 May 2002 04:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46AhkR05828 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 04:43:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from henk (xs241-216-141.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.216.141]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 146708A5BAF for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:43:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <008001c1f4ea$c4302a20$8dd8f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020503133321.04cff220@mail.frys.com><006c01c1f36e$1075eb00$70f0f1c3@henk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C1F4F7.18F392C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:11:05 +0200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C1F4F7.18F392C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Heather, You wrote: >Why do you assume that nobody is studying this? I don't. The question could be rephrased: if so many SCAdians study = names, why are so many names still oddly fantastic. > Some of us do -- in=20 fact, some of us do it professionally in the Real World. Just=20 because not _everyone_ in a group is doing something doesn't mean=20 that _nobody_ in the group is doing it. =20 When criticising such a large group, the small percentage that strives = to be authentic (and I'm aware of this fact) and works at it will feel = attacked. So be it. I was reacting to the pictures in the site Kayta = asked us to look at and I noticed some things, about which I made some = comments. For the rest: see my answer to Kayta in a separate post. Henk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "The role of the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better = nation is one that is often neglected by historians" T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London (etc.), 1998, p. 358 (note) ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C1F4F7.18F392C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Heather,
 
You wrote:
>Why do you assume that nobody is studying this?
 
I don't. The question could be rephrased: if so many SCAdians = study=20 names, why are so many names still oddly fantastic.
 
 
>  Some of us do -- in
fact, some of us do it = professionally=20 in the Real World.  Just
because not _everyone_ in a group is = doing=20 something doesn't mean
that _nobody_ in the group is doing = it. =20
 
 
When criticising such a large group, the small percentage that = strives=20 to be authentic (and I'm aware of this fact) and works at it = will=20 feel attacked. So be it. I was reacting to the pictures in the site = Kayta=20 asked us to look at and I noticed some things, about which I made some = comments. For the rest: see my answer to Kayta in a separate = post.
 
 
Henk
 
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The = role of the=20 lower intestine in the efforts to build a better nation
is one that = is=20 often neglected by historians"
T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London = (etc.),=20 1998, p. 358 (note)
------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C1F4F7.18F392C0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 06:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29424 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 06:58:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46AiMC20837; Mon, 6 May 2002 04:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46AiLR05950; Mon, 6 May 2002 04:44:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46AhmR05837 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 04:43:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from henk (xs241-216-141.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.216.141]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id A1DC98A5B7B for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:43:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <008101c1f4ea$c51b2660$8dd8f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020503133321.04cff220@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020504104615.04da0e70@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01C1F4FB.390545A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:40:37 +0200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C1F4FB.390545A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Kayta, You wrote: >My only point is - you should have seen the level ten years ago, if = you=20 find so much to complain about now. Twenty years ago it was worse=20 yet. Thirty years ago, just after I joined, it was awful. Oh, but I have. My first acquaintance with the SCA was in 1970, both = Ren Fairs (Paramount Ranch, St Rafael) in CA. I wasn't into medieval = dress than, but I took pictures and looking at them now, boy, were they = a cross between hippie-outfits and Hollywood-medieval (some even going = so far as to rent or buy stuff from MGM costume departments). I saw the = English SCAdians in 1987 and not much was different and by 1989 a Dutch = branch was formed. I attended a weekend in a Scouting camp with a mixed = US, German and Dutch group (Drachenwald and Polderslot) and, being more = knowledgeable about medieval costume by that time, I was really = horrified by the standard of dress (and the rules and by-laws). I formed = my own medieval society in protest against the attitude of the SCA and = we strove to get more and more authentic. The LHO has just come into its = 12th year now (see http://www.dsdelft.nl/~lho/). Through the years after 1991 I have met and seen members of the SCA = and, frankly, I have never been impressed with them. Just lately the = Dutch branch is getting more 'authentic' in dress and activities, = probably influenced by the standards in the re-enactment and LH world = over here. But when I see USA SCAdians in the pictures on their diverse = sites, I am always struck by the way it has really not changed much from = 10, 20 or even 30 years ago. OK: garments are made better and from = heavier cloth, there are more patterns available, there are costume = lists and sites, and I know that in the States wool, linen en other = authentic stuff is harder to get than in Europe, but I still believe = that the way most US citizens look at the Middle Ages is influenced more = by Hollywood than by historic and archeological research, even if = members of the SCA are working in these fields and try to do it better. = The vast majority are in the SCA to have fun, to act in a courtly manner = amongst each other playing aristocrats, to have great feasts and = wonderful Pennsics and tournaments, crownings and courts and camps and = to strut their stuff at Ren Fairs and to have a wonderful time doing all = this. I'm not jealous, I think they should do that and have an escape = from daily life doing it. Judging by the portraits on the site of the = West Kingdom these are all very nice and warm people, but IMO they're = not doing the Middle Ages or the Renaissance, they're doing 'creative = anachronism', which term in itself excludes the wish for authenticity. So why did I criticise them? Just for having a rant I suppose. Sorry, = I had not slept well the night before that. Forget what I said. I won't = do it again. Henk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "The role of the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better = nation is one that is often neglected by historians" T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London (etc.), 1998, p. 358 (note) ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C1F4FB.390545A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Kayta,
 
You wrote:
>My only point is - you should have seen the level ten years = ago, if=20 you
find so much to complain about now.  Twenty years ago it = was=20 worse
yet.  Thirty years ago, just after I joined, it was=20 awful.

Oh, but I have. My first acquaintance with the SCA was in 1970, = both Ren=20 Fairs (Paramount Ranch, St Rafael) in CA. I wasn't into medieval dress = than,=20 but I took pictures and looking at them now, boy, were they a cross = between=20 hippie-outfits and Hollywood-medieval (some even going so far as to = rent or=20 buy stuff from MGM costume departments). I saw the English SCAdians in = 1987=20 and not much was different and by 1989 a Dutch branch was formed. I = attended a=20 weekend in a Scouting camp with a mixed US, German and Dutch group=20 (Drachenwald and Polderslot) and, being more knowledgeable = about=20 medieval costume by that time, I was really horrified by the standard = of dress=20 (and the rules and by-laws). I formed my own medieval society in = protest=20 against the attitude of the SCA and we strove to get more and more = authentic.=20 The LHO has just come into its 12th year now (see http://www.dsdelft.nl/~lho/).
 
Through the years after 1991 I have met and seen members of the = SCA and,=20 frankly, I have never been impressed with them. Just lately the Dutch = branch=20 is getting more 'authentic' in dress and activities, probably = influenced by=20 the standards in the re-enactment and LH world over here. But when I = see USA=20 SCAdians in the pictures on their diverse sites, I am always struck by = the way=20 it has really not changed much from 10, 20 or even 30 years ago. OK: = garments=20 are made better and from heavier cloth, there are more patterns = available,=20 there are costume lists and sites, and I know that in the States wool, = linen=20 en other authentic stuff is harder to get than in Europe, but I still = believe=20 that the way most US citizens look at the Middle Ages is influenced = more by=20 Hollywood than by historic and archeological research, even if members = of the=20 SCA are working in these fields and try to do it better. The vast = majority are=20 in the SCA to have fun, to act in a courtly manner amongst each other = playing=20 aristocrats, to have great feasts and wonderful Pennsics and = tournaments,=20 crownings and courts and camps and to strut their stuff at Ren Fairs = and to=20 have a wonderful time doing all this. I'm not jealous, I think they = should do=20 that and have an escape from daily life doing it. Judging by the = portraits on=20 the site of the West Kingdom these are all very nice and warm people, = but IMO=20 they're not doing the Middle Ages or the Renaissance, they're doing = 'creative=20 anachronism', which term in itself excludes the wish for = authenticity.
 
So why did I criticise them? Just for having a rant I suppose. = Sorry, I=20 had not slept well the night before that. Forget what I said. I won't = do it=20 again.
 
 
Henk
 
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The = role of the=20 lower intestine in the efforts to build a better nation
is one that = is=20 often neglected by historians"
T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London = (etc.),=20 1998, p. 358 (note)
------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C1F4FB.390545A0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 07:20:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29524 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:20:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46B71C22224; Mon, 6 May 2002 05:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46B70R10321; Mon, 6 May 2002 05:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46B6iR10267 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 05:06:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.151]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020506110643.BOSS2755.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:06:43 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3CD671D6.24475.7873BE@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <007d01c1f4ea$c199eee0$8dd8f1c3@henk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: [h-cost] Specs (was level of SCA costuming) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:06:46 +0100 Status: RO On 6 May 2002 at 11:49, Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: > Hi, > You wrote: > >Well I gave taking off my glasses in the early digits of the SCA. We were doing a > fashion show as part of a TV broadcast and they convinced me to go without my > glasses...almost fell off the stage getting off could not find the stairs :) > > There's an easy trick to that: keep your glasses in a purse or bag at your belt and put 'em > on when things get hairy sightwise. When did specs suitable for wearing all the time, not just holding up to one's nose, come in? I've been told it was surprisingly early, but this was by someone who was trying to sell me some "medieval spectacles" and would do them to my prescription. Which sounds great, but they may have been biased :( _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 07:25:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29536 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:25:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46BD1C22518; Mon, 6 May 2002 05:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46BD1R11464; Mon, 6 May 2002 05:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46BCtR11448 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 05:12:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVO00EVGSHIYO@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 04:12:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples In-reply-to: <008101c1f4ea$c51b2660$8dd8f1c3@henk> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020506034928.04ee7c30@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020503133321.04cff220@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020504104615.04da0e70@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 04:12:51 -0700 Status: RO >>Through the years after 1991 I have met and seen members of the SCA and, >>frankly, I have never been impressed with them. Gosh - I'll just have to show you my next SCA outfit and see what you think. >>OK: garments are made better and from heavier cloth, there are more >>patterns available, there are costume lists and sites, and I know that in >>the States wool, linen en other authentic stuff is harder to get than in >>Europe, but I still believe that the way most US citizens look at the >>Middle Ages is influenced more by Hollywood than by historic and >>archeological research, even if members of the SCA are working in these >>fields and try to do it better. I can't force those people to raise their standards. My point is that there are more of us nowadays that have higher standards than there were 30 years ago. The best have gotten better. The top end is higher. I guess I'll have to show you a picture of my first SCA outfit as well, for comparison. You'll hate it - I do. It's pretty awful, but still it was more authentic than most of what SCA folks were wearing where I was in 1971. >>The vast majority I'm not one of that majority, and never have been. But, as I said, you can decide how you like my next SCA outfit when you see it. Or I can show you my last Ren. Fair outfit. Shall I send it directly to you, as an attachment? Anyone else want to see it too, so you'd know what Henk would be reacting to? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 07:48:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29677 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:48:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46BaCC23669; Mon, 6 May 2002 05:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46BaBR15667; Mon, 6 May 2002 05:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g46BZfR15518 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 05:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 19982 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2002 11:35:35 -0000 Received: from pd9e4f0c3.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?217.228.240.195?) (217.228.240.195) by mail.gmx.net (mp007-rz3) with SMTP; 6 May 2002 11:35:35 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008101c1f4ea$c51b2660$8dd8f1c3@henk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3103536935_982870" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 13:35:35 +0200 Status: RO > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3103536935_982870 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Henk! > =20 > Kayta wrote: >>> >My only point is - you should have seen the level ten years ago, if yo= u >> find so much to complain about now. Twenty years ago it was worse >> yet. Thirty years ago, just after I joined, it was awful. >> =20 >> Through the years after 1991 I have met and seen members of the SCA and, >> frankly, I have never been impressed with them. Just lately the Dutch br= anch >> is getting more 'authentic' in dress and activities, probably influenced= by >> the standards in the re-enactment and LH world over here. You missed a great wedding and Peasant Beltane event in Polderslot this weekend! There were tons of very wonderful incredibly authentic costumes (even non-SCA people who came to this there first medieval event had stuff that was incredibly cool thanks to Deredere=B9s tutelage. There was no mundan= e clothing during the event and many first-timers probably had better stuff than even Kayta=B9s first outfit ;)). =AD Deredere=B9s wedding dress being the crown of them all! having watched and participated with the making of that dress =AD there is not much anyone can do to make that outfit more authentic than it is with the knowledge anyone has now. The young Queen Elizabeth herself would have felt totally at home in Deredere=B9s silk dress with hand embroidery! And Deredere has the documentation too! Even mine wasn=B9t too ba= d considering this is I my first attempt at Elizabethan (images forthcoming from both me and Deredere). Many of use spent half the event comparing authenticity notes =AD I have never been in any other reenactment groups or L= H whatevers. I think the =8Cinfluence=B9 just comes from people learning more which inspires people to learn _even_ more =AD in Polderslot and in other Shires in Europe. >>=20 >> people, but IMO they're not doing the Middle Ages or the Renaissance, th= ey're >> doing 'creative anachronism', which term in itself excludes the wish for >> authenticity. I would violently protest this statement. I have been in the SCA for a bit over three years now and aside from a very few American Military members wh= o just was to drink and have fun, everybody I know (including myself) has bee= n trying to be authentic as possible given the individual level of knowledge, ability and resources. It IS creative anachronism in that yes we are focusing on bygone times and most definitely creative especially when you are trying to recreate something that hasn=B9t existed for hundreds of years using methods long forgotten and buried, with materials no one makes anymor= e unless you do it yourself. Yes the social structure is a bit artificial, but hey, that is one bit of authenticity which just won=B9t work considering we all live in two or more worlds which we have to balance and still get some sleep and make some mone= y (so we can do more garb ;))) >> =20 >> So why did I criticise them? Just for having a rant I suppose. Sorry, I = had >> not slept well the night before that. Forget what I said. I won't do it >> again. Go get some sleep. Cass :) --B_3103536935_982870 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Hi Henk!

Kayta wrote:
>My only point is - you should h= ave seen the level ten years ago, if you
find so much to complain about now.  Twenty years ago it was worse yet.  Thirty years ago, just after I joined, it was awful.
 
Through the years after 1991 I have met and seen members of the SCA and, fr= ankly, I have never been impressed with them. Just lately the Dutch branch i= s getting more 'authentic' in dress and activities, probably influenced by t= he standards in the re-enactment and LH world over here.
You missed a great we= dding and Peasant Beltane event in Polderslot this weekend! There were tons = of very wonderful incredibly authentic costumes (even non-SCA people who cam= e to this there first medieval event had stuff that was incredibly cool than= ks to Deredere’s tutelage. There was no mundane clothing during the ev= ent and many first-timers probably had better stuff than even Kayta’s = first outfit ;)). – Deredere’s wedding dress being the crown of = them all! having watched and participated with the making of that dress R= 11; there is not much anyone can do to make that outfit more authentic than = it is with the knowledge anyone has now. The young Queen Elizabeth herself w= ould have felt totally at home in Deredere’s silk dress with hand embr= oidery! And Deredere has the documentation too! Even mine wasn’t too b= ad considering this is I my first attempt at Elizabethan (images forthcoming= from both me and Deredere). Many of use spent half the event comparing auth= enticity notes – I have never been in any other reenactment groups or = LH whatevers. I think the ‘influence’ just comes from people lea= rning more which inspires people to learn _even_ more – in Polderslot = and in other Shires in  Europe.

people, but IMO they're not doing the Middle Ages or the Renaissance, they'= re doing 'creative anachronism', which term in itself excludes the wish for = authenticity.
I would violently pro= test this statement. I have been in the SCA for a bit over three years now a= nd aside from a very few American Military members who just was to drink and= have fun, everybody I know (including myself) has been trying to be authent= ic as possible given the individual level of knowledge, ability and r= esources. It IS creative anachronism in that yes we are focusing on bygone t= imes and most definitely creative especially when you are trying to r= ecreate something that hasn’t existed for hundreds of years using meth= ods long forgotten and buried, with materials no one makes anymore unless yo= u do it yourself.

Yes the social structure is a bit artificial, but hey, that is one bit of a= uthenticity which just won’t work considering we all live in two or mo= re worlds which we have to balance and still get some sleep and make some mo= ney (so we can do more garb ;)))

So why did I criticise them? Just for having a rant I suppose. Sorry, I had= not slept well the night before that. Forget what I said. I won't do it aga= in.
Go get some sleep.
Cass :) --B_3103536935_982870-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 08:03:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29732 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:03:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Bp0C24429; Mon, 6 May 2002 05:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Bp0R18171; Mon, 6 May 2002 05:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46BoAR18009 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 05:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVO00FDPU7K0M@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 04:50:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Specs (was level of SCA costuming) In-reply-to: <3CD671D6.24475.7873BE@localhost> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020506041351.04ea6360@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <007d01c1f4ea$c199eee0$8dd8f1c3@henk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 04:49:52 -0700 Status: RO > > There's an easy trick to that: keep your glasses in a purse or bag > at your belt and put 'em > > on when things get hairy sightwise. For me, 'hairy sightwise' would be all the time. I've been in bifocals since I was 10, and am literally blind without my glasses. One time I tried walking without the glasses, at the old Black Point Ren. Fair site. I stepped on a rock I didn't see and fell down in the dirt street. I skinned one knee and both hands, sprained my ankle, and ripped my costume. I couldn't see well enough to mend the costume without the glasses. What did blind people do in your historical period? >When did specs suitable for wearing all the time, not >just holding up to one's nose, come in? I think it was the 1200's or 1300's, and they were none too common for centuries after that. I've seen at least one H. Bosch painting with a glasses-wearer in it. That pair had two round lens-holders with a hinge in the middle that goes over the bridge of the nose, see ASCII below. /\ O O >I've been told it was surprisingly early, but this was >by someone who was trying to sell me some >"medieval spectacles" and would do them to my >prescription. Which sounds great, but they may have >been biased :( Check with the Rev. War suppliers. Somebody makes these frames. I've seen them in a catalog somewhere. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 08:26:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29903 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:26:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46CE1C25681; Mon, 6 May 2002 06:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46CE0R22590; Mon, 6 May 2002 06:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46CDwR22579 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 06:13:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVO00EQJVB9Y9@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 05:13:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020506045234.04eac9f0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <008101c1f4ea$c51b2660$8dd8f1c3@henk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 05:13:55 -0700 Status: RO > probably had better stuff than even Kayta s first outfit ;) I'm laughing too. As I learned what I should have done, I revised the dress several times, starting with the removal of the zipper. But the inside is still pretty ugly, and nothing can undo the fact that it's 100% polyester poplin. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 09:01:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30087 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 09:01:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Cn4C27874; Mon, 6 May 2002 06:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Cn0R00421; Mon, 6 May 2002 06:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Cm1R00128 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 06:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.151]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020506124800.WEBK295.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:48:00 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Specs (was level of SCA costuming) Message-ID: <3CD68993.27147.D52D3C@localhost> Priority: normal References: <3CD671D6.24475.7873BE@localhost> In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20020506041351.04ea6360@mail.frys.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:48:03 +0100 Status: RO On 6 May 2002 at 4:49, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > For me, 'hairy sightwise' would be all the time. Me too. I'm sufficiently short-sighted that the ground is too far away to see clearly. > What did blind people do in your historical period? Died? > I think it was the 1200's or 1300's, and they were none too common for > centuries after that. I've seen at least one H. Bosch painting with a > glasses-wearer in it. That pair had two round lens-holders with a hinge in > the middle that goes over the bridge of the nose, see ASCII below. > > /\ > O O I've seen frames made like that on sale, yes. Anyone got a hint as to which picture? > >I've been told it was surprisingly early, but this was > >by someone who was trying to sell me some > >"medieval spectacles" and would do them to my > >prescription. Which sounds great, but they may have > >been biased :( > > Check with the Rev. War suppliers. Somebody makes these frames. I've seen > them in a catalog somewhere. Several people make 'em: I just suspect that *because* they're trying to sell them, their research may be.. umm... optimistic? On sale, I've seen wooden frames with the hinge as described, brass or pewter frames that look a lot like modern ones but without the side bars to go over the ears, and leather frames. All the sellers felt they had sufficient evidence to justify what they were doing. But they didn't, naturally enough, have it to hand :( _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 09:52:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30445 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 09:52:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46De2C01753; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46De0R14231; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepF.post.tele.dk (fepF.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46DdhR14161 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:39:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.117]) by fepF.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020506133942.UWTB6037.fepF.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:39:42 +0200 Message-ID: <3CD687B4.D7FAA5EE@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1666 Stuf coat?? References: <3CD5DD71.9090401@oldwaylane.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:40:04 +0200 Status: RO Hello. Could this be a buff coat? A buff coat is a leather jacket. Sometimes it has sleaves, and mostly it is without sleaves, like a waistcoat. Bjarne Judy Mitchell wrote: > Hi, > I'm hoping you learned folks in 17th cent stuff can help my > cousin and me out with a genealogy curiosity. We have a will > from 1666 (You can see it at > http://www.oldwaylane.net/BenjaminWilson1666.html) and we > are wondering what a 'stuf coat' is! In the 4th line there > is a blob of ink, right near where it looks like "stuf' > coat. It says it again in the line just below. Is this some > sort of coat, or are we reading the handwriting wrong? Any > sharp eyes out there?? > Thanks for any help, > Judy Mitchell > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 10:02:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30523 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:02:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Do1C02639; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Do0R17353; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepF.post.tele.dk (fepF.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46DnvR17332 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.117]) by fepF.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020506134957.VAKL6037.fepF.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:49:57 +0200 Message-ID: <3CD68A1B.8DE79FD4@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1666 Stuf coat?? References: <3CD5DD71.9090401@oldwaylane.net> <3CD687B4.D7FAA5EE@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:50:19 +0200 Status: RO Sorry of the doubble posting. I forgot to mention that it also could be a "stuffed" coat meaning it is lined with some interlinning of a kind, perhaps wool. Bjarne Leif Drews wrote: > Hello. > Could this be a buff coat? A buff coat is a leather jacket. Sometimes it > has sleaves, and mostly it is without sleaves, like a waistcoat. > > Bjarne > > Judy Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi, > > I'm hoping you learned folks in 17th cent stuff can help my > > cousin and me out with a genealogy curiosity. We have a will > > from 1666 (You can see it at > > http://www.oldwaylane.net/BenjaminWilson1666.html) and we > > are wondering what a 'stuf coat' is! In the 4th line there > > is a blob of ink, right near where it looks like "stuf' > > coat. It says it again in the line just below. Is this some > > sort of coat, or are we reading the handwriting wrong? Any > > sharp eyes out there?? > > Thanks for any help, > > Judy Mitchell > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > > Leif Drews > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > 1635 København V > > Bjarne Drews > Åboulevard 5,3.th > 1635 København V > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 11:06:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30919 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:06:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Er1C08832; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Er0R13163; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from carbon (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46EqrR13114 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 08:52:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-122-61-11.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.61.11] helo=dan) by carbon with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 174jr7-0000IR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 15:52:50 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c1f50d$e7b89c20$0b3d7ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <3CD671D6.24475.7873BE@localhost> <3CD68993.27147.D52D3C@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Specs (was level of SCA costuming) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 15:50:41 +0100 Status: RO Jane wrote: > > On sale, I've seen wooden frames with the hinge as > described, brass or pewter frames that look a lot like > modern ones but without the side bars to go over the > ears, and leather frames. All the sellers felt they had > sufficient evidence to justify what they were doing. > But they didn't, naturally enough, have it to hand :( > Try "The Embroiderer's Story" by Thomasina Beck; she covers the use of spectacles, and their type, as a neccessary pre-requisite to the craze for embroidery which swept England in the 16th century. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 11:45:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31083 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:45:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46FX2C13987; Mon, 6 May 2002 09:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46FX1R05113; Mon, 6 May 2002 09:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46FWRR04741 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 09:32:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.10d.11cd7e8d (4532) for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:32:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 11:32:12 EDT Status: RO On Scadian names... My name in the SCA is Gillian Tedcastle. Both given and surname were chosen from a list of compiled common names documented in Elizabethan England. My fellow citizens of the barony pointed me to the website the first week I joined, so some people are trying very hard to teach period nomenclature. Many Scadian personas predate published name research, though, and it hardly seems fair to make them change their names 10 years after their friends have finally accepted calling them "Radcliffe Rowdynads". [Tongue firmly planted in cheek.] On plastic pearls... Here, I am less authentic. I see no reason not to use faux pearls, especially given the large quantities of pearl seen in Elizabethan portraiture. If I was forced to use only real pearls and gems on my creations, my budget would afford me a very plain gown indeed! The trick is to cover that white string on pearl strand by-the-yard. Lynn McMasters got excellent results couching pearl strand on with gold thread, and I've had nice results using a machine zigzag in black thread blending into a quilted black mock-velvet ground. Individual faux pearls look fine at a 3-foot distance, as do rhinestones. I don't suggest wearing pearl strand BTY as a necklace, though, because it looks skimpy with all the space between the "pearls" and doesn't weigh enough to hang correctly. For necklaces, find heavier faux pearls and string them by hand. On not enough linen/ too much velvet... Materials on my current gown are not authentic. Why? 1) Both wool and linen give me a rash. Plenty of people have these allergies. 2)This is my first attempt at 1570's and I am focussing on fit first. I'm making a toile in muslin first, but as a seamstress I know that will not tell me how the dress will wear after 5 or 10 hours. [Will I be fussing with the sleeves? Will the gown's weight drag on my shoulders?] 3) Budget. This dress will be in mock-velvet (panne' that is NOT crushed or stretchy) because I had a bolt of of the stuff that only cost me $24 total, so no worries if I totally screw up. If I like the dress after an SCA event or 2, I'll take the toile pattern and make a gown in something like damask or velvet. I disagree that there can ever be too much velvet -- but then, I'm a goth! But anyway, those pics were all taken in the winter, and velvet is warm. On glasses... I buy disposable contacts just for SCA events, but there have been times I was unable to wear them cuz my eyes were irritated. I do take the glasses off for pics, though. The "keep 'em in a purse" thought is great for people who only need glasses to read, but I'm legally blind without mine. "When things get hairy"? That's any time I'm walking around without my glasses! Many glasses-wearers can wear contacts for short periods, and disposables only worn for events will last you a while. Totally worth the cash [even if you can't read with them due to astygmatism]. OK, I think that catches me up with the discussion. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 12:30:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31393 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:30:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46GH7C20275; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:17:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46GH1R01435; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46GGoR01335 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g46GGnHx018546 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:16:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <008101c1f4ea$c51b2660$8dd8f1c3@henk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Washing wool in front-loading washers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hey, folks, We just got a front-loading washer (the Maytag Neptune). Are front-loading washers more 'gentle' on woolens than top-loading machines, since top-loaders tumble the fabric rather than agitating it with a spindle? I had a bad experience with washing wool last fall (in my old top-loader); the wool was unevenly agitated, so that some spots shrunk more than others and I had to work around the 'puckers'. Thanks, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 12:33:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31421 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:33:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46GL1C20795; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46GL0R03780; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46GKTR03503 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:20:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g46GKRHx018919 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:20:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Specs (was level of SCA costuming) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020506041351.04ea6360@mail.frys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mon, 6 May 2002, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > Check with the Rev. War suppliers. Somebody makes these frames. I've seen > them in a catalog somewhere. > > Kayta Townsend carries some: http://www.jastown.com/acces/sp-789.html -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 12:47:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31474 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:47:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46GZ2C22904; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46GZ1R12210; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46GYRR11902 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.d0.26d2c290 (4532) for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:34:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] check out this partlet... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:34:05 EDT Status: RO How is the fabric manipulation on this partlet done, do you think? It looks a little puffy for just intersecting pintuks... Any ideas? http://www.marquise.de/images/1500/1570_3d.jpg Incidentally, does the neckline look to you all more like woven trim embellished with buttons of pearl and gems, or a hard goldwork/bilament/"jewelled square"? I do note her necklace matches the gown neckline, which I suppose could support the bilament concept. I'm happy the gown has straps though, seeing as how I decided to do it on mine. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 12:58:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31510 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:58:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Gk2C24920; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Gk1R19367; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout05 (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46GjsR19270 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:45:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp234016pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net [68.55.178.225]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GVP004OR7WC3R@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 12:45:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Liz / Cozit To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3CD6B33E.E5EF4D18@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200205061045.g46Aj1R06074@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 12:45:50 -0400 Status: RO Ok... just feel compelled to "weigh in" here. First off, I am actually not offended by anything that's been posted here on the subject... just want to make a few comments (I don't write well, and things don't always read the way I write them). 1) The only requirement for an SCA event is an *attempt* at period clothing. This means that if all you can do is a simple t-tunic over sweats, or plain pants, so be it (and no, that's never been me, but it's the best I can get my husband into the very few times I've gotten him to an event). 2) Just because you study period clothing, and even know period techniques, it doesn't necessarily mean that you'll be able to do something that truly looks period (not to mention there's not much info. out there on some places, times and peoples). Personally, I'm allergic to wool... so I have to find something similar. It's nearly impossible to find half decent colors in linen, or even linen-cotton at affordable prices or not... even around the Washington DC area, and with the net (though the net make it easier... a little)... Dying is something I've been looking into, but haven't had a lot of luck so far. Time is a factor, too. I don't have thousands of hours to do the embroidery or make the trim that I'd *like* to have. And gee... I even heard a few comments about "where'd she buy that trim" from someone who obviously thought that it was machine made (not looking close) commenting on trim I made for someone elses's outfit earlier this year. I don't even have the time to do more handsewing than that which would be visible..... and I have to admit to being guilty of making much more nicely done hems (visibility wise) than any I've seen that are over 175 or so years old... by hand. Oh, and cost is very definitely a factor. I *can't* afford to spend hundreds on an outfit I'll wear only a couple of times a year, if that. Most expensive so far for me is this $120 or so (not on sale, unfortunately) fabric for the new livery we're using for the re-enactment guild at my faire this year... lovely taxicab yellow with black trim... Kytson colors, though most of us will look absolutely awful in it. 3) Names... well, yes... it used to be pretty bad. But now the SCA Heralds are a bit better about avoiding the fantasy type names, and requiring documentation. The exception is that if you want to use either your first or last name, and it's reasonably close to period, they'll let you (ie. I kept the spelling of "Elisabeth" for my SCA name, though I've not been able to find any examples of it spelled that way in England in the time period I was looking at). 4) Glasses.... Um... Unless I'm sitting down at an event and sewing closely, you *don't* want me wandering around without them. Last time I did that was for a short while at the Maryland Renaissance Festival in 2000, because I had managed to leave my sunglasses on and my glasses ran off with my husband.... thankfully several weeks into the faire, so I knew where most of the roots, holes, etc. were already.... and was told to stay put more than usual for that morning till I could get in touch with him. With the ability to focus all of 12 inches or so in front of my face, it'd be downright dangerous to do much wandering... not to mention I'd miss pretty much everything going on around me. And while I'm really bad about curtseying to all those "wearing pointies", I do try to remember to do so when I pass Their Majesties, or their tent... and if I don't see them, I can't (no, I can't see well enough to tell if that shiny thing on someone's head has pointies or not, unless they're *big*). Anyways, tolerance is nice. The folks who play in the SCA may have many hobbies attatched to it... and at least one full time job on top of that. Time and money do have their limits. *G* It's the only thing keeping my stash of needlework and sewing stuff small enough to fit in the one closet, personally... Just something to think about... -Elisabeth (going back to normal quiet self now) (in the SCA, Lady Elisabeth Henley.... of Lochmere, in the Kingdom of Atlantia) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 13:19:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31627 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:19:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46H75C28165; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46H74R01966; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from carbon (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46H6nR01818 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-122-186-229.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.186.229] helo=dan) by carbon with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 174lwk-00006y-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 18:06:48 +0100 Message-ID: <002d01c1f520$9e5c6b20$e5ba7ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:07:26 +0100 Status: RO Gillian wrote: > On plastic pearls... Here, I am less authentic. I see no reason not to use > faux pearls, especially given the large quantities of pearl seen in > Elizabethan portraiture. If I was forced to use only real pearls and gems on > my creations, my budget would afford me a very plain gown indeed! But then, by definition, you are not attempting to reproduce a 16th century costume. >. Individual faux pearls look fine at a 3-foot > distance, as do rhinestones. Ouch! Not to anyone who has any familiarity with pearls, they don't... > On not enough linen/ too much velvet... Materials on my current gown are not > authentic... You are choosing to use a wide variety of fakes for a variety of reasons. I'm not criticising your choices in any way; I'm simply noting that your outfit will bear no resemblance to anything actually worn in the 16th century. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 13:22:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31643 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:22:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46HA1C28635; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46HA1R03858; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46H9JR03474 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:09:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.151]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020506170918.HQUW2755.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:09:18 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples Message-ID: <3CD6C6CD.17846.1C4577A@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3CD6B33E.E5EF4D18@comcast.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:09:17 +0100 Status: RO On 6 May 2002 at 12:45, Liz / Cozit wrote: > 1) The only requirement for an SCA event is an *attempt* at period clothing. This > means that if all you can do is a simple t-tunic over sweats, or plain pants, so be it > (and no, that's never been me, but it's the best I can get my husband into the very > few times I've gotten him to an event). The society I'm in isn't the SCA, but it's similar enough that a lot of this is true for us, too. One other point to add that I suspect will also apply to the SCA is that different people have different areas of expertise. At the moment, my personal costume is of the level of "probably won't offend anyone who doesn't look too closely". No zips or elastic, but other than that: medieval-ish. I've been concentrating on cooking as authentically as possible, not on costume. Other have been concentrating on music, or brewing, or weapons.... you can't be an expert on everything, there isn't time. I hope my costume will improve, though: that's why I'm here, to impress myself with the vastness of my ignorance :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 13:26:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31659 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:26:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46HE1C29155; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46HE0R06329; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46HD7R05639 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.11a.107f5dc3 (4532) for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:11:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <11a.107f5dc3.2a08134f@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kayta's first dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:11:43 EDT Status: RO << Anyone else want to see it too, so you'd know what Henk would be reacting to? >> Kayta, do you really have to ask? Of course we wanna see! :) My e-mail's in the header... --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 13:41:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31750 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:41:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46HS2C01226; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46HS1R14454; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46HROR14096 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:27:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.10.1e68bc86 (4532) for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:27:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <10.1e68bc86.2a0816f2@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Washing wool in front-loading washers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:27:14 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/6/02 12:18:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << Are front-loading washers more 'gentle' on woolens than top-loading machines, since top-loaders tumble the fabric rather than agitating it with a spindle? >> I can't answer that, but let me drop some advice about dye. I do not suggest dying fabric in your new washer. Why? You can't prefill the washer with water to mix the dye before inserting the wet fabric. (Once it's full of water, you can't open the door.) This'll seem obvious to some of you, but don't laugh! I've seen people try to just add liquid dye into the soap tray in side-loading washers before! The result is a splotchy mess. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 13:42:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31767 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:42:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46HT0C01371; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46HT0R15084; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46HSOR14716 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:28:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.17d.7eee1eb (4256) for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:28:08 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <17d.7eee1eb.2a081728@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] check out this partlet... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17d.7eee1eb.2a081728_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:28:08 EDT Status: RO --part1_17d.7eee1eb.2a081728_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/6/2002 12:35:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Azelana@aol.com writes: > How is the fabric manipulation on this partlet done, do you think? It looks > a little puffy for just intersecting pintuks... Any ideas? > An innerlining of....bubble plastic? Pop....pop....pop...... --part1_17d.7eee1eb.2a081728_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/6/2002 12:35:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Azelana@aol.com writes:


How is the fabric manipulation on this partlet done, do you think?  It looks
a little puffy for just intersecting pintuks...  Any ideas?


An innerlining of....bubble plastic?

Pop....pop....pop...... --part1_17d.7eee1eb.2a081728_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 13:44:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31789 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:44:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46HW9C01834; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:32:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46HW8R16882; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:32:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46HVaR16554 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:31:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCocgBotCBanoz4lsQoOD5B7gY4zi8dNFqw=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GZ54ED36; Mon, 06 May 2002 13:30:59 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (and allergies) Message-ID: <20020506.122236.-405829.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 19-21 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:22:36 -0500 Status: RO I have to ask a couple of questions regarding the whole allergy thing. Now I will start off by saying that I personally have no experience with them- I'm not even allergic to poison ivy! And I have heard of people having allergies to wool, although I have also heard theories that a sizable portion of those who believe they are allergic to wool may actually be reacting to chemicals used to process the wool or to the scratchiness of inferior grades of wool. I have never before heard of someone being allergic to linen! How does that happen? I thought that linen was almost perfectly neutral and inert, it certainly should have long enough fibers that the prickly ends wouldn't be a problem. I've never felt a decent linen that was the least bit scratchy, although some really cheapo ones which are made with inferior/discards of linen can be a just tad scratchy. This report of allergy to linen really seems like an example where some particularly nasty chemicals might have been used to process or dye the linen and the person might be reacting to the chemicals and not the fiber itself. I really am interested in this, it's a puzzle and I love puzzles. Has anyone else ever had an allergic reaction to linen or have enough experience with allergies to be able to sort out what aspect of the linen might be causing the allergic reaction? Karen ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 13:56:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31838 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:56:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Hi2C03382; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Hi1R24308; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gpvissmtpgw02.splitrock.net (gpvissmtpgw02.splitrock.net [63.254.138.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g46HhdR24047 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:43:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 19993 invoked from network); 6 May 2002 17:43:38 -0000 Received: from 207-191-203-70.cpe.ats.mcleodusa.net (HELO tulani) (207.191.203.70) by gpvissmtpgw.splitrock.net with SMTP; 6 May 2002 17:43:38 -0000 Message-ID: <00c801c1f525$5540f500$46cbbfcf@tulani.ats.mcleodusa.net> From: "Avien" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (and allergies) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:42:02 -0500 Status: RO I certainly don't have first-hand experience with allergies to fibers but my husband had a terrible reaction to linen. I made a shirt for him to wear and not even an hour later he was scratching and miserable. He had a horrible rash too. He took off the shirt and was fine, took awhile for the rash to go away but he was okay for the rest of the day. I washed the linen with normal detergent, I wash everything before sewing it, so I know it wasn't the detergent and I think that should have taken care of sizing and other treatments the fabric companies use. It felt soft to me and I had no problems with the chemise I made out of the same stuff for me. I hope that he isn't allergic to linen because that was a great shirt that he loved until he wore it, so if anyone else has any answers, I would love to hear them too. >I have to ask a couple of questions regarding the whole allergy thing. >Now I will start off by saying that I personally have no experience with >them- I'm not even allergic to poison ivy! And I have heard of people >having allergies to wool, although I have also heard theories that a >sizable portion of those who believe they are allergic to wool may >actually be reacting to chemicals used to process the wool or to the >scratchiness of inferior grades of wool. I have never before heard of >someone being allergic to linen! How does that happen? I thought that >linen was almost perfectly neutral and inert, it certainly should have >long enough fibers that the prickly ends wouldn't be a problem. I've >never felt a decent linen that was the least bit scratchy, although some >really cheapo ones which are made with inferior/discards of linen can be >a just tad scratchy. This report of allergy to linen really seems like an >example where some particularly nasty chemicals might have been used to >process or dye the linen and the person might be reacting to the >chemicals and not the fiber itself. I really am interested in this, it's >a puzzle and I love puzzles. Has anyone else ever had an allergic >reaction to linen or have enough experience with allergies to be able to >sort out what aspect of the linen might be causing the allergic reaction? > > > >Karen > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 13:58:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31842 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:58:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Hk2C03669; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Hk2R25619; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web11502.mail.yahoo.com (web11502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g46HjtR25537 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:45:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020506174551.41241.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.54.226.52] by web11502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 May 2002 10:45:51 PDT From: Megan Irvine Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (and allergies) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020506.122236.-405829.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 10:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --- seamstrix@juno.com wrote: [snip] > having allergies to wool, although I have also heard theories that > a > sizable portion of those who believe they are allergic to wool may > actually be reacting to chemicals used to process the wool or to > the > scratchiness of inferior grades of wool. I have never before heard [snip] I'm not personally allergic to wool, but my grandmother is, and the problem is the LANOLIN, which occurs naturally in the wool. She cannot use any lotions or cosmetics that contain lanolin, either. mirv ===== Megan Irvine My EBay storefront: http://www.ebaystores.com/darkthreadsdesigns My personal page: http://www.geocities.com/mirv_sewing/ My business Web site (under construction): http://www.darkthreads.com/ Adventure can be real happiness.--Fortune Cookie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 14:01:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31863 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 14:01:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Hl2C03824; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Hl1R26361; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.141]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g46HkxR26316 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25853 invoked from network); 6 May 2002 17:46:57 -0000 Received: from 206-105-173-68.inetone.net (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.68) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 6 May 2002 17:46:57 -0000 Message-ID: <3CD6C31C.D589FAB2@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) References: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> <002d01c1f520$9e5c6b20$e5ba7ad5@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 13:53:32 -0400 Status: RO Stevie Gamble wrote: > > Ouch! Not to anyone who has any familiarity with pearls, they don't... > > > You are choosing to use a wide variety of fakes for a variety of > reasons. I'm not criticising your choices in any way; I'm simply > noting that your outfit will bear no resemblance to anything actually > worn in the 16th century. > > best wishes > Stevie I have to say something here about faux stones and pearls. I use them as I need to or desire a certain look. I have learned recently lesser nobles in fact did use faux pearls and stones. I didn't say all the time nor can I quote you a source other then my instructor. I will use the real thing when I win the lottery. Then too I will commission someone else to do my sewing. If I could afford a truely authenic gown why would I be here to learn? I would have my hired seamtress make my little hearts desire. I am not being scarastic just afraid any thing I do will be looked down on. *sighs* Maybe I should reemove the 1500 bridal pearls I recently finished adding to my kirtle. How discouraging. 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([24.229.111.85]) (envelope-sender ) by smtpa.ha-net.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 May 2002 18:01:09 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Washing wool in front-loading washers From: Maryanne Appleby To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <10.1e68bc86.2a0816f2@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 14:00:59 -0400 Status: RO > I can't answer that, but let me drop some advice about dye. I do not suggest > dying fabric in your new washer. Why? You can't prefill the washer with > water to mix the dye before inserting the wet fabric. (Once it's full of > water, you can't open the door.) Dear Gillian, I have a Frigidaire front-loading washer, and I *can* open the door during cycle. The water level is always very low, lower than the door opening. One of the reasons country people - those who rely on well-water - use these machines is because they use so little water. So, though I've never tried it, I believe that I *could* dye fabric in my machine. Maryanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 15:09:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32242 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:09:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Iv1C16562; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Ig0R29449; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46IfnR29324 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:41:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g46Ihi713412 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:43:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200205061843.g46Ihi713412@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) In-Reply-To: <002d01c1f520$9e5c6b20$e5ba7ad5@dan> "from Stevie Gamble at May 6, 2002 06:07:26 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 11:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Steve -- ever been to Spain? They proudly boast about their fake-pearl industry, that's been selling to Europe since the 16th century. They're quite good enough to fool the eye, and an appraiser or two. .heather. > Gillian wrote: > > > > On plastic pearls... Here, I am less authentic. I see no reason > not to use > > faux pearls, especially given the large quantities of pearl seen in > > Elizabethan portraiture. If I was forced to use only real pearls > and gems on > > my creations, my budget would afford me a very plain gown indeed! > > > But then, by definition, you are not attempting to reproduce a 16th > century costume. > > >. Individual faux pearls look fine at a 3-foot > > distance, as do rhinestones. > > Ouch! Not to anyone who has any familiarity with pearls, they don't... > > > On not enough linen/ too much velvet... Materials on my current > gown are not > > authentic... > > You are choosing to use a wide variety of fakes for a variety of > reasons. I'm not criticising your choices in any way; I'm simply > noting that your outfit will bear no resemblance to anything actually > worn in the 16th century. > > best wishes > Stevie > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 15:10:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32256 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:10:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46IvbC16948; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:57:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Id1R27760; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46IcSR27460 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:38:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g46IeNf13369 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:40:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200205061840.g46IeNf13369@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washing wool in front-loading washers In-Reply-To: "from Kevin & Mara Riley at May 6, 2002 12:16:49 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 11:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I've had a much better experience with my front loading neptune and wool, but I still test everything, and wash wool on the "hand wash" cycle. it's the most gentle. .heather. > Hey, folks, > We just got a front-loading washer (the Maytag Neptune). Are > front-loading washers more 'gentle' on woolens than top-loading machines, > since top-loaders tumble the fabric rather than agitating it with a > spindle? I had a bad experience with washing wool last fall (in my old > top-loader); the wool was unevenly agitated, so that some spots shrunk > more than others and I had to work around the 'puckers'. > > Thanks, > Mara > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 15:10:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32262 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:10:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46IvmC17015; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Ih4R00199; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46IgpR29937 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:42:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from elmo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.245] helo=elmo.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 174nRi-0006iD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 11:42:50 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by elmo.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g46Igo105035 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:42:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Goodman To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 156.41.168.21 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: lithiate@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 11:42:50 -0700 Status: RO Okay. Here's the thing about reproducing a costume based upon an authentic 16th century counterpart. It will never, ever in a million years be 100% authentic. Allow me to rephrase that. If you have enough money to be able to pay weavers to weave you cloth using an authentic loom, authentic fibers, and an authentic weave (which, if you are attempting to go for a spectacular court gown is going to cost serious cash), plus, afford natural pearls (not artificially seeded pearls that are most readily available), solid gold or silver settings for real, authentically cut gems, manpower to embroider the authentically reproduced fabric with 100% gold or silver bullion thread, then you have at least a running chance at getting an authentic gown. And even then, the fact that none of it was manufactured by authentic 16th century people takes you out of the running for it being 100% authentic. If, however, you are not Bill Gates with a time machine, you take what you can get and you ! make do with it. I'd love to have my costumes researched and documented down the the very molecules that make them, but I'm pragmatic enough to understand that there's no way that will ever happen. So, I chose (and not saying in anyway that this discredits what other people do or don't do with their costumes) to use store bought wool, linen and silks when I can afford it, and when I can't I opt for cotton velvets. I use glass pearls and gems (which, yes, can be documented as used in the 16th century, but as stated before, are still modern equivillents to the period "real" thing) and either pewter (period), brass (period) or if I'm really rich that month, gold or silver plated settings. Does this devalue my costume as a reproduction? Nope. Does this make my costume any more authentic than the person whose costume is made out of gold lame' and a simplicity pattern? Nope. If you're speaking strictly about authenticity, you can't judge everyone's costume according to fab! ric choice and accessories, because, well, it's all machine-p! roduced at some point in it's construction. Unless you live on a sheep ranch and hand sheer your sheep, hand comb it, hand spin it, hand weave it, etc. And that's also been known to happen. But for the vast majority of people, this isn't an option. End of story. So, please, refrain from the "more period than thou" attitude that I've witnessed from time to time on this list from people who seek any oppertunity to discredit the efforts of individuals in the SCA and other reenactment venues. I have yet to see *any* reenactment group with 100% authentic clothing. Let they who are without sin and all that good stuff... Sarah Lorraine (thankfully, flame retardant fabric is available these days) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 15:11:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32270 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:11:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46IvMC16797; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:57:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46IdAR27873; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:39:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f32.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.32]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46IcYR27534 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 May 2002 11:38:29 -0700 Received: from 193.237.15.43 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 May 2002 18:38:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.237.15.43] From: "David Angel Aware" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2002 18:38:29.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[37344370:01C1F52D] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 18:38:28 +0000 Status: RO
I have to say something here about faux stones and pearls. I use them
as I need to or desire a certain look. I have learned recently lesser
nobles in fact did use faux pearls and stones. I didn't say all the
time nor can I quote you a source other then my instructor. I will use
the real thing when I win the lottery. Then too I will commission
someone else to do my sewing. If I could afford a truely authenic gown
why would I be here to learn? I would have my hired seamtress make my
little hearts desire. I am not being scarastic just afraid any thing I
do will be looked down on. *sighs* Maybe I should reemove the 1500
bridal pearls I recently finished adding to my kirtle. How discouraging.
Di
 
Yes, faux pearls were used, but they were made from glass and coated inside with a shimmering substance similar to mother of pearl. They were not plastic, well, naturally.
There are high quality faux pearls available nowadays which are made in a similar way and are not plastic.
Furthermore, genuine pearls are available from Australia for a very cheap price, though of course using 1500 would not be cheap ever. The Australian ones are freshwater pearls but chosen for their regularity.
Apart from this there is a difference between costumes and period clothing. Most of what I see in the SCA are costumes, not period clothing, with some exceptions. I have seen a lot of truly lovely and stunning costumes, but they were costumes.
 
David

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_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 15:11:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32274 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:11:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46IvQC16853; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46II1R15929; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web11505.mail.yahoo.com (web11505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g46IH0R15308 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020506181659.64526.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.54.226.52] by web11505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 May 2002 11:16:59 PDT From: Megan Irvine Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3CD6C31C.D589FAB2@inetone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 11:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I haven't been reading the list lately because I've been so busy at work, but I see there has been some SCA-bashing (or whatever you want to call the age old argument about how "un-authentic" the SCA is...)--and please, I am not asking for flames here, I just hate to see that kind of talk because it's so very discouraging to the new people. You have to start somewhere, and not everyone can spend endless amounts of money on materials. Costuming is a very challenging and time-consuming hobby and hearing things like (and I'm paraphrasing here) "well, with all the substitutions you are making, your outfit is never going to look authentic..."---Ah! That just sends chills down my spine, even if it wasn't directed at me, personally. And I assume that this type of comment was made without even seeing the finished product! I'm not saying that we shouldn't offer constructive criticism when it is asked for, because that is helpful to the newcomer, but I will not be put down just because I play in the SCA. You play your game, and I'll play mine, and that doesn't make me any less of a costumer. Apologies if this is off-base. mirv ===== Megan Irvine My EBay storefront: http://www.ebaystores.com/darkthreadsdesigns My personal page: http://www.geocities.com/mirv_sewing/ My business Web site (under construction): http://www.darkthreads.com/ Adventure can be real happiness.--Fortune Cookie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 15:11:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32278 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:11:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46IvuC17064; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:57:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46IA1R11174; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (relay01.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g46I97R10687 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:09:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 32329 invoked from network); 6 May 2002 18:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computer) ([206.57.105.220]) (envelope-sender ) by relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 May 2002 18:09:01 -0000 Message-ID: <00fd01c1f529$0e9cb5e0$dc6939ce@computer> From: "Lyn Greaves- Thorny Rose" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] check out this partlet... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:08:41 -0400 Status: RO Having coveted this portrait for a while. . . I think it may be two layers- first one with holes slashed, second puffed through. If you look closely, there appears to be a line of fabric under the beads that would be the structure, and the puffs are decorative. Lyn Greaves Lady Rosamund d'Alwareton, CM, OTerp, OSalamander Remember: Amateurs built the ark, but professionals built the Titanic ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: [h-cost] check out this partlet... > How is the fabric manipulation on this partlet done, do you think? It looks > a little puffy for just intersecting pintuks... Any ideas? > > http://www.marquise.de/images/1500/1570_3d.jpg > > Incidentally, does the neckline look to you all more like woven trim > embellished with buttons of pearl and gems, or a hard > goldwork/bilament/"jewelled square"? I do note her necklace matches the gown > neckline, which I suppose could support the bilament concept. I'm happy the > gown has straps though, seeing as how I decided to do it on mine. > > --Gillian > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 15:11:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32282 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:11:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46IvcC16954; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:57:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Ih1R00146; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g46IgLR29671 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:42:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 8129 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2002 18:42:15 -0000 Received: from pd9e4f0c3.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?217.228.240.195?) (217.228.240.195) by mail.gmx.net (mp015-rz3) with SMTP; 6 May 2002 18:42:15 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c1f520$9e5c6b20$e5ba7ad5@dan> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 20:42:14 +0200 Status: RO In response to Steve: >> my creations, my budget would afford me a very plain gown indeed! > But then, by definition, you are not attempting to reproduce a 16th > century costume. Well, it seems to me that you are using a definition of reproduction that even museums are not able to live up to. And 'attempting' is indeed what she is doing - regardless of the outcome. If our goal is to 'reproduce' _everything_ down to the last molecule, we might as well give up, go home and stick in a video, because it simply isn't possible - if only because of the genetic development of organic materials between now and back then. Let us rephrase and say, we are attempting to reproduce the look and feel of a 16th century costume to the best of our ability (everyone's ability being different) It would also be cool if we could continue suggesting ways of making things more authentic with the budgets we have rather than just saying 'ewww that's not authentic!' >> . Individual faux pearls look fine at a 3-foot >> distance, as do rhinestones. > Ouch! Not to anyone who has any familiarity with pearls, they don't... For my costume last weekend I had sewn on 1500 'Wachsperlen' on my foreskirt, sleeves and hairpiece. They have a good weight and you have to look quite closely to see that they are fake - everyone kept asking me if they were real. I've also bought a number of glass pearl necklaces and took them apart with the intention of making a belt (didn't managed to finish it in time but whatever). They are definitely heavy enough and good looking enough and it seems to me that I remember reading somewhere that they also had glass pearls and lots of costume jewelry. Considering that Europe had access to many fewer real pearls than we have today (in the age of cultured pearls and diving equipment in areas of the world that weren't really well known back then) >> On not enough linen/ too much velvet... Materials on my current >> gown are not authentic... > You are choosing to use a wide variety of fakes for a variety of > reasons. I'm not criticising your choices in any way; I'm simply > noting that your outfit will bear no resemblance to anything actually > worn in the 16th century. I would also say it is a very broad loaded statement to say 'no' resemblance. Unfortunately we do not have access to a real person from the 16th century to tell us for sure if what we choose bears a resemblance or not. And what I think is an attempt on your part to sound objective about this is coming across to some of us as criticism and a bit holier-than-thou. My two Eurocents Cassandra von Schwabing (a period name both first and last) who also wears contact lenses whenever possible though it isn't always. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 15:29:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32391 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:29:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46JH3C20760; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JH1R21338; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JGwR21287 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:16:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from henk (xs241-195-164.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.195.164]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 64D378A33AF for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:16:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <013201c1f532$78445a80$8dd8f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <3CD671D6.24475.7873BE@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Specs (was level of SCA costuming) Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0109_01C1F53C.1D4E5400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:25:08 +0200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01C1F53C.1D4E5400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi, You wrote: >When did specs suitable for wearing all the time, not=20 just holding up to one's nose, come in? Very early on, I would say at the beginning of the 14th c. Glasses had = been in use in Europe and China since the middle of the 13th c (Roger = Bacon commented on them in 1268 as already existing for some time). = Archbisshop Hugo de Provence in a fresco by Tomasso da Modena of 1352 is = shown as writing, for which you needed both hands then and now) with the = glasses fixed on his nose and many examples are to be seen of this = method. Friends of mine who own glasses like this, made in bone, horn, = leather or boxwood, found that these would not stay on your nose as = such, and bound them to thier ears with strings, which works OK. See our = website for several examples. >I've been told it was surprisingly early, but this was=20 by someone who was trying to sell me some=20 "medieval spectacles" and would do them to my=20 prescription. Which sounds great, but they may have=20 been biased :( If he was selling you glasses for personae post 1300 he was right. Mind you, glasses in the middle ages were only used to read and/or = write with; i.o.w. for farsightedness. Nearsighted people had to wait = until the beginning of the 16th c to be able to see better. Henk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "The role of the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better = nation is one that is often neglected by historians" T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London (etc.), 1998, p. 358 (note) ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01C1F53C.1D4E5400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi,
 
You wrote:
>When did specs suitable for wearing all the time, not =
just=20 holding up to one's nose, come in?
 
Very early on, I would say at the beginning of the 14th c. = Glasses had=20 been in use in Europe and China since the middle of the 13th c (Roger = Bacon=20 commented on them in 1268 as already existing for some time). = Archbisshop Hugo=20 de Provence in a fresco by Tomasso da Modena of 1352 is shown as = writing, for=20 which you needed both hands then and now) with the glasses fixed = on his=20 nose and many examples are to be seen of this method. Friends of mine = who own=20 glasses like this, made in bone, horn, leather or boxwood, found = that=20 these would not stay on your nose as such, and bound them to thier = ears with=20 strings, which works OK. See our website for several examples.
 

>I've been told it was surprisingly early, but this was =
by=20 someone who was trying to sell me some
"medieval spectacles" and = would do=20 them to my
prescription. Which sounds great, but they may have =
been=20 biased :(
 
 
If he was selling you glasses for personae post 1300 he was = right.
 
Mind you, glasses in the middle ages were only used to read = and/or write=20 with; i.o.w. for farsightedness. Nearsighted people had to wait until = the=20 beginning of the 16th c to be able to see = better.


Henk
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The = role of the=20 lower intestine in the efforts to build a better nation
is one that = is=20 often neglected by historians"
T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London = (etc.),=20 1998, p. 358 (note)
------=_NextPart_000_0109_01C1F53C.1D4E5400-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 15:30:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32407 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:30:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46JI0C20888; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JI0R21904; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JH0R21309 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from henk (xs241-195-164.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.195.164]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id A3CD58A3583 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:16:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <013301c1f532$79401fa0$8dd8f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020503133321.04cff220@mail.frys.com><4.3.1.2.20020504104615.04da0e70@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020506034928.04ee7c30@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0110_01C1F53C.F5470640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:31:10 +0200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C1F53C.F5470640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Kayta, You wrote: >Gosh - I'll just have to show you my next SCA outfit and see what you = think. I probably met the wrong people all the time ;-) > I can't force those people to raise their standards. My point is = that=20 there are more of us nowadays that have higher standards than there = were 30=20 years ago. The best have gotten better. The top end is higher. I = guess=20 I'll have to show you a picture of my first SCA outfit as well, for=20 comparison. You'll hate it - I do. It's pretty awful, but still it = was=20 more authentic than most of what SCA folks were wearing where I was in = 1971. I would love to see it. Then again you should see the way I dressed in = 1991 as a 14th c herald! From 10 m it looked allright, but it was all = cotton, had plastic buttons and my pouch was a greek souvenir. And it = was a lot, a great lot more authentic than all teh stuff I saw the = Drachenwald/Polderslot crowd wear (did they have buttons in the 14th c, = one of them asked me!). >>The vast majority >I'm not one of that majority, and never have been. But, as I said, = you can=20 decide how you like my next SCA outfit when you see it. Or I can show = you=20 my last Ren. Fair outfit. Shall I send it directly to you, as an=20 attachment? Anyone else want to see it too, so you'd know what Henk = would=20 be reacting to? Please do both as attachments!!! I would like that. I'll see if I can = find my above mentioned outfit in a picture somewhere en post is too. Henk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "The role of the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better = nation is one that is often neglected by historians" T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London (etc.), 1998, p. 358 (note) ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C1F53C.F5470640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Kayta,
 
You wrote:
>Gosh - I'll just have to show you my next SCA outfit and see = what you=20 think.
 
 
I probably met the wrong people all the time ;-)


> I can't force those people to raise their = standards. =20 My point is that
there are more of us nowadays that have higher = standards=20 than there were 30
years ago.  The best have gotten = better.  The=20 top end is higher.  I guess
I'll have to show you a picture = of my=20 first SCA outfit as well, for
comparison.  You'll hate it - I = do.  It's pretty awful, but still it was
more authentic than = most of=20 what SCA folks were wearing where I was in 1971.
 
I would love to see it. Then again you should see the way I = dressed in=20 1991 as a 14th c herald! From 10 m it looked allright, but it was all = cotton,=20 had plastic buttons and my pouch was a greek souvenir. And it was a = lot, a=20 great lot more authentic than all teh stuff I saw the = Drachenwald/Polderslot=20 crowd wear (did they have buttons in the 14th c, one of them asked = me!).
 

>>The vast majority

>I'm not one of that = majority,=20 and never have been.  But, as I said, you can
decide how you = like my=20 next SCA outfit when you see it.  Or I can show you
my last = Ren. Fair=20 outfit.  Shall I send it directly to you, as an =
attachment? =20 Anyone else want to see it too, so you'd know what Henk would
be = reacting=20 to?

Please do both as attachments!!! I would like that. I'll see if I = can=20 find my above mentioned outfit in a picture somewhere en post is = too.
 
 
Henk
 
 
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The = role of the=20 lower intestine in the efforts to build a better nation
is one that = is=20 often neglected by historians"
T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London = (etc.),=20 1998, p. 358 (note)
------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C1F53C.F5470640-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 15:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32419 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:31:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46JICC20941; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:18:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JIBR22030; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JH4R21374 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from henk (xs241-195-164.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.195.164]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id AB4CA8A334A for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:17:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <013501c1f532$7c42b140$8dd8f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <007d01c1f4ea$c199eee0$8dd8f1c3@henk> <4.3.1.2.20020506041351.04ea6360@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Specs (was level of SCA costuming) Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011F_01C1F53F.06E99280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:45:59 +0200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011F_01C1F53F.06E99280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Kayta, You wrote: >For me, 'hairy sightwise' would be all the time. I've been in = bifocals=20 since I was 10, and am literally blind without my glasses. One time I = tried walking without the glasses, at the old Black Point Ren. Fair=20 site. I stepped on a rock I didn't see and fell down in the dirt=20 street. I skinned one knee and both hands, sprained my ankle, and = ripped=20 my costume. I couldn't see well enough to mend the costume without = the=20 glasses. What did blind people do in your historical period? Move very carefully if they did not know the terrain. Or they asked = somebody to lead them somewhere. >Check with the Rev. War suppliers. Somebody makes these frames. = I've seen=20 them in a catalog somewhere. Rev War specs are different from medieval-ren glasses. Henk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "The role of the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better = nation is one that is often neglected by historians" T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London (etc.), 1998, p. 358 (note) ------=_NextPart_000_011F_01C1F53F.06E99280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Kayta,
 
You wrote:
>For me, 'hairy sightwise' would be all the time.  I've = been in=20 bifocals
since I was 10, and am literally blind without my = glasses. =20 One time I
tried walking without the glasses, at the old Black = Point Ren.=20 Fair
site.  I stepped on a rock I didn't see and fell down in = the=20 dirt
street.  I skinned one knee and both hands, sprained my = ankle,=20 and ripped
my costume.  I couldn't see well enough to mend = the=20 costume without the
glasses.  What did blind people do in = your=20 historical period?
 
 
Move very carefully if they did not know the terrain. Or they = asked=20 somebody to lead them somewhere.

 
>Check with the Rev. War suppliers.  Somebody makes these = frames.  I've seen
them in a catalog somewhere.

Rev War specs are different from medieval-ren glasses.
 
 
Henk
 
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The = role of the=20 lower intestine in the efforts to build a better nation
is one that = is=20 often neglected by historians"
T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London = (etc.),=20 1998, p. 358 (note)
------=_NextPart_000_011F_01C1F53F.06E99280-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 15:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32420 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:31:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46JI7C20915; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:18:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JI7R21978; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:18:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JH3R21362 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from henk (xs241-195-164.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.195.164]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DFDE8A33AF for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:17:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <013401c1f532$7ab162e0$8dd8f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0118_01C1F53E.A3E11820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:43:12 +0200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C1F53E.A3E11820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examplesHenk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Cass, You wrote: >You missed a great wedding and Peasant Beltane event in Polderslot = this weekend! There were tons of very wonderful incredibly authentic = costumes (even non-SCA people who came to this there first medieval = event had stuff that was incredibly cool thanks to Deredere's tutelage. = There was no mundane clothing during the event and many first-timers = probably had better stuff than even Kayta's first outfit ;)). - = Deredere's wedding dress being the crown of them all! having watched and = participated with the making of that dress - there is not much anyone = can do to make that outfit more authentic than it is with the knowledge = anyone has now. The young Queen Elizabeth herself would have felt = totally at home in Deredere's silk dress with hand embroidery! And = Deredere has the documentation too! Even mine wasn't too bad considering = this is I my first attempt at Elizabethan (images forthcoming from both = me and Deredere). Many of use spent half the event comparing = authenticity notes - I have never been in any other reenactment groups = or LH whatevers. I think the 'influence' just comes from people learning = more which inspires people to learn _even_ more - in Polderslot and in = other Shires in Europe. I had the pleasure of meeting a group of Dutch SCAdians in = Eindhoven on april 21st of this year and I was pleasantly surprised, as = I told Gerard. It looked a lot better than I have ever seen before. I = would love to see more and look forward to the pictures you mentioned. >I would violently protest this statement. I have been in the SCA for = a bit over three years now and aside from a very few American Military = members who just was to drink and have fun, everybody I know (including = myself) has been trying to be authentic as possible given the individual = level of knowledge, ability and resources. It IS creative anachronism in = that yes we are focusing on bygone times and most definitely creative = especially when you are trying to recreate something that hasn't existed = for hundreds of years using methods long forgotten and buried, with = materials no one makes anymore unless you do it yourself. You may protest, but I was reacting to a bunch of photos = on a website, and remembered a similar set of a 12th night series of = last year. And I wrote down what I saw.... >Yes the social structure is a bit artificial, but hey, that is one = bit of authenticity which just won't work considering we all live in two = or more worlds which we have to balance and still get some sleep and = make some money (so we can do more garb ;))) This is just why the SCA will always balance between = fantasy/Hollywood and historical reality. If everybody in the SCA has to = be nobility and has to dress according to their status in = medieval/renaissance times, you'll get shortcuts, cheap imitations and = costume jewelry. The real stuff is just too expensive to imitate. If the = SCA would loose that concept and go 'common', clothing would become a = lot cheaper to make. I think it is just plain silly to win a crown and = title in a tournament with rattan sticks. >Go get some sleep. I did, Am I making sense now? Henk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "The role of the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better = nation is one that is often neglected by historians" T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London (etc.), 1998, p. 358 (note) ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C1F53E.A3E11820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some = examples
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Cass,
 
You wrote:
>You missed a great wedding and Peasant Beltane = event in=20 Polderslot this weekend! There were tons of very wonderful incredibly=20 authentic costumes (even non-SCA people who came to this there first = medieval=20 event had stuff that was incredibly cool thanks to Deredere’s = tutelage. There=20 was no mundane clothing during the event and many first-timers = probably had=20 better stuff than even Kayta’s first outfit ;)). – = Deredere’s wedding dress=20 being the crown of them all! having watched and participated with the = making=20 of that dress – there is not much anyone can do to make that = outfit more=20 authentic than it is with the knowledge anyone has now. The young = Queen=20 Elizabeth herself would have felt totally at home in Deredere’s = silk dress=20 with hand embroidery! And Deredere has the documentation too! Even = mine wasn’t=20 too bad considering this is I my first attempt at Elizabethan (images=20 forthcoming from both me and Deredere). Many of use spent half the = event=20 comparing authenticity notes – I have never been in any other = reenactment=20 groups or LH whatevers. I think the ‘influence’ just comes = from people=20 learning more which inspires people to learn _even_ more – in = Polderslot and=20 in other Shires in  Europe.
 
I had the pleasure of meeting a group of Dutch SCAdians in = Eindhoven=20 on april 21st of this year and I was pleasantly surprised, as I = told=20 Gerard. It looked a lot better than I have ever seen before. I = would love=20 to see more and look forward to the pictures you mentioned.
 
>I would violently protest this = statement. I have=20 been in the SCA for a bit over three years now and aside from a very = few=20 American Military members who just was to drink and have fun, = everybody I know=20 (including myself) has been trying to be authentic as possible = given=20 the individual level of knowledge, ability and resources. It IS = creative=20 anachronism in that yes we are focusing on bygone times and most=20 definitely creative especially when you are trying to recreate=20 something that hasn’t existed for hundreds of years using = methods long=20 forgotten and buried, with materials no one makes anymore unless you = do it=20 yourself.
 
 
       =20     You may protest, but I = was reacting=20 to a bunch of photos on a website, and remembered a similar set of a = 12th=20 night series of last year. And I wrote down what I = saw....


>Yes the social structure is a = bit=20 artificial, but hey, that is one bit of authenticity which just = won’t work=20 considering we all live in two or more worlds which we have to balance = and=20 still get some sleep and make some money (so we can do more garb=20 ;)))
 
 
        =    =20     This is just why the SCA will always balance = between=20 fantasy/Hollywood and historical reality. If everybody in the SCA has = to be=20 nobility and has to dress according to their status in = medieval/renaissance=20 times, you'll get shortcuts, cheap imitations and costume jewelry. The = real=20 stuff is just too expensive to imitate. If the SCA would loose that = concept=20 and go 'common', clothing would become a lot cheaper to make. I think = it is=20 just plain silly to win a crown and title in a tournament with rattan=20 sticks.
 
 
>Go get some=20 sleep.
 
 
       =20     I did, Am I making sense now?
 
 
Henk
 
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The = role of the=20 lower intestine in the efforts to build a better nation
is one that = is=20 often neglected by historians"
T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London = (etc.),=20 1998, p. 358 (note)
------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C1F53E.A3E11820-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 15:32:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32431 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:32:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46JIGC20959; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:18:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JIFR22080; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:18:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JH7R21412 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:17:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from henk (xs241-195-164.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.195.164]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 266468A3583 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:17:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <013601c1f532$7d1ce4a0$8dd8f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0128_01C1F540.9AA4FAE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:57:16 +0200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01C1F540.9AA4FAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Gilian, You wrote: >On Scadian names... My name in the SCA is Gillian Tedcastle. =20 Good name! > Both given and=20 surname were chosen from a list of compiled common names documented in = Elizabethan England. My fellow citizens of the barony pointed me to = the=20 website the first week I joined, so some people are trying very hard = to teach=20 period nomenclature. Many Scadian personas predate published name = research,=20 though, and it hardly seems fair to make them change their names 10 = years=20 after their friends have finally accepted calling them "Radcliffe = Rowdynads".=20 [Tongue firmly planted in cheek.] I don't see why you cannot change your 'play' name after 10 years, = it's not so's you have to go to the government to do that? Change should = always be possible. My 14th c patronym was 'Cornelissone' untio I found = out that Cornelis only came in use in the 15th c in my province, so I = changed it to 'Costijnssoen'. No problem. >On plastic pearls... Here, I am less authentic. I see no reason not = to use=20 faux pearls, especially given the large quantities of pearl seen in=20 Elizabethan portraiture. If I was forced to use only real pearls and = gems on=20 my creations, my budget would afford me a very plain gown indeed! The = trick=20 is to cover that white string on pearl strand by-the-yard. Lynn = McMasters=20 got excellent results couching pearl strand on with gold thread, and = I've had=20 nice results using a machine zigzag in black thread blending into a = quilted=20 black mock-velvet ground. Individual faux pearls look fine at a = 3-foot=20 distance, as do rhinestones. I don't suggest wearing pearl strand BTY = as a=20 necklace, though, because it looks skimpy with all the space between = the=20 "pearls" and doesn't weigh enough to hang correctly. For necklaces, = find=20 heavier faux pearls and string them by hand. See what I wrote about portraying aristocracy in another post. > On not enough linen/ too much velvet... Materials on my current = gown are not=20 authentic. Why? 1) Both wool and linen give me a rash. Plenty of = people=20 have these allergies.=20 Why is taht so in the USA? I have not heard of it overhere, Do they do = something with wool over there? Besides, wool is the outer layer, linen = goes against the skin. Nobody is allergic to linen, are they? 2)This is my first attempt at 1570's and I am=20 focussing on fit first. I'm making a toile in muslin first, but as a = seamstress I know that will not tell me how the dress will wear after = 5 or 10=20 hours. [Will I be fussing with the sleeves? Will the gown's weight = drag on=20 my shoulders?] 3) Budget. This dress will be in mock-velvet (panne' = that is=20 NOT crushed or stretchy) because I had a bolt of of the stuff that = only cost=20 me $24 total, so no worries if I totally screw up. If I like the = dress after=20 an SCA event or 2, I'll take the toile pattern and make a gown in = something=20 like damask or velvet. I disagree that there can ever be too much = velvet --=20 but then, I'm a goth! But anyway, those pics were all taken in the = winter,=20 and velvet is warm. No comment on this. >On glasses... I buy disposable contacts just for SCA events, but = there have=20 been times I was unable to wear them cuz my eyes were irritated. I do = take=20 the glasses off for pics, though. The "keep 'em in a purse" thought = is=20 great for people who only need glasses to read, but I'm legally blind = without=20 mine. "When things get hairy"? That's any time I'm walking around = without=20 my glasses! Many glasses-wearers can wear contacts for short periods, = and=20 disposables only worn for events will last you a while. Totally worth = the=20 cash [even if you can't read with them due to astygmatism]. I wasn't commenting on wearing glasses ALLl the time if you need them. = Just take them off when your picture is taken or when you give a press = conference (and don't have to read something from a paper). I other = words: when you want to look like a historic person for the outsiders = take them off, when you're amongst yourselves, sure, leave them on. = There's more to playing a historic character than putting on a = 'costume'... Henk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "The role of the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better = nation is one that is often neglected by historians" T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London (etc.), 1998, p. 358 (note) ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01C1F540.9AA4FAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Gilian,
 
You wrote:
>On Scadian names...  My name in the SCA is Gillian=20 Tedcastle. 
 
 
Good name!
 
 
> Both given and
surname were chosen from a list of = compiled=20 common names documented in
Elizabethan England.  My fellow = citizens=20 of the barony pointed me to the
website the first week I joined, = so some=20 people are trying very hard to teach
period nomenclature.  = Many=20 Scadian personas predate published name research,
though, and it = hardly=20 seems fair to make them change their names 10 years
after their = friends=20 have finally accepted calling them "Radcliffe Rowdynads". =
 [Tongue=20 firmly planted in cheek.]
 
 
I don't see why you cannot change your 'play' name after 10 = years, it's=20 not so's you have to go to the government to do that? Change should = always be=20 possible. My 14th c patronym was 'Cornelissone' untio I found out that = Cornelis only came in use in the 15th c in my province, so I changed = it to=20 'Costijnssoen'. No problem.


>On plastic pearls...  Here, I am less = authentic.  I=20 see no reason not to use
faux pearls, especially given the large=20 quantities of pearl seen in
Elizabethan portraiture.  If I = was forced=20 to use only real pearls and gems on
my creations, my budget would = afford=20 me a very plain gown indeed!  The trick
is to cover that = white string=20 on pearl strand by-the-yard.  Lynn McMasters
got excellent = results=20 couching pearl strand on with gold thread, and I've had
nice = results using=20 a machine zigzag in black thread blending into a quilted
black = mock-velvet=20 ground.  Individual faux pearls look fine at a 3-foot =
distance, as do=20 rhinestones.  I don't suggest wearing pearl strand BTY as a =
necklace,=20 though, because it looks skimpy with all the space between the =
"pearls"=20 and doesn't weigh enough to hang correctly.  For necklaces, find=20
heavier faux pearls and string them by hand.
 
 
See what I wrote about portraying aristocracy in another = post.


> On not enough linen/ too much velvet...  = Materials on=20 my current gown are not
authentic.  Why?  1) Both wool = and linen=20 give me a rash.  Plenty of people
have these = allergies. 
 
Why is taht so in the USA? I have not heard of it overhere, Do = they do=20 something with wool over there? Besides, wool is the outer layer, = linen goes=20 against the skin. Nobody is allergic to linen, are they?
 
 
 2)This is my first attempt at 1570's and I am
focussing = on fit=20 first.   I'm making a toile in muslin first, but as a =
seamstress=20 I know that will not tell me how the dress will wear after 5 or 10=20
hours.  [Will I be fussing with the sleeves?  Will the = gown's=20 weight drag on
my shoulders?]  3) Budget.  This dress = will be in=20 mock-velvet (panne' that is
NOT crushed or stretchy) because I had = a bolt=20 of of the stuff that only cost
me $24 total, so no worries if I = totally=20 screw up.  If I like the dress after
an SCA event or 2, I'll = take the=20 toile pattern and make a gown in something
like damask or=20 velvet.   I disagree that there can ever be too much velvet = --=20
but then, I'm a goth!  But anyway, those pics were all taken = in the=20 winter,
and velvet is warm.
 
 
No comment on this.


>On glasses...  I buy disposable contacts just = for SCA=20 events, but there have
been times I was unable to wear them cuz my = eyes=20 were irritated.  I do take
the glasses off for pics,=20 though.    The "keep 'em in a purse" thought is =
great for=20 people who only need glasses to read, but I'm legally blind without=20
mine.  "When things get hairy"?  That's any time I'm = walking=20 around without
my glasses!  Many glasses-wearers can wear = contacts=20 for short periods, and
disposables only worn for events will last = you a=20 while.  Totally worth the
cash [even if you can't read with = them due=20 to astygmatism].
 
 
I wasn't commenting on wearing glasses ALLl the time if you need = them.=20 Just take them off when your picture is taken or when you give a press = conference (and don't have to read something from a paper). I other = words:=20 when you want to look like a historic person for the outsiders take = them off,=20 when you're amongst yourselves, sure, leave them on. There's more to = playing a=20 historic character than putting on a 'costume'...


 
Henk
 
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The = role of the=20 lower intestine in the efforts to build a better nation
is one that = is=20 often neglected by historians"
T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London = (etc.),=20 1998, p. 358 (note)
------=_NextPart_000_0128_01C1F540.9AA4FAE0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 15:40:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32469 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:40:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46JS0C22264; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:28:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JS0R27561; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:28:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JRGR27213 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g46JTB313833 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:29:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200205061929.g46JTB313833@jabberwock.wonderland.com> To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] sewing/costuming journals? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I'm trying to collect a list of sewing/costuming journals (otherwise known as weblogs or blogs). I know many have been posted to the list... if you have one, or have a favorite, would you email me? alice@wonderland.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 15:56:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32554 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:56:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Ji2C24394; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Ji1R07059; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JhMR06718 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:43:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g46JhLHx015954 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:43:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Specs (was level of SCA costuming) In-Reply-To: <013501c1f532$7c42b140$8dd8f1c3@henk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 15:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mon, 6 May 2002, Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: > Rev War specs are different from medieval-ren glasses. > > Henk Townsend carries 15th c. specs in addition to their 18th c. specs. I agree, they are quite different. (Townsend is by and large not bad, but I really wish they'd take the English Bodice and French Bodice out of their catalogue! They are just NOT accurate... sigh!) Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 16:03:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32601 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:03:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Jp2C25429; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Jp0R11002; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JoZR10806 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-122-138-13.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.138.13] helo=dan) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 174oVD-0001IK-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 20:50:32 +0100 Message-ID: <002001c20d93$a0957c20$fd827ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> <002d01c1f520$9e5c6b20$e5ba7ad5@dan> <3CD6C31C.D589FAB2@inetone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 20:51:21 +0100 Status: RO Dhannti wrote: > > Stevie Gamble wrote: > > > > > Ouch! Not to anyone who has any familiarity with pearls, they don't... > > > > > > > You are choosing to use a wide variety of fakes for a variety of > > reasons. I'm not criticising your choices in any way; I'm simply > > noting that your outfit will bear no resemblance to anything actually > > worn in the 16th century. > > > > best wishes > > Stevie > > > > I have to say something here about faux stones and pearls. I use them > as I need to or desire a certain look. I have learned recently lesser > nobles in fact did use faux pearls and stones. I didn't say all the > time nor can I quote you a source other then my instructor. I will use > the real thing when I win the lottery. Then too I will commission > someone else to do my sewing. If I could afford a truely authenic gown > why would I be here to learn? I would have my hired seamtress make my > little hearts desire. I am not being scarastic just afraid any thing I > do will be looked down on. *sighs* Maybe I should reemove the 1500 > bridal pearls I recently finished adding to my kirtle. How discouraging. > People did use faux pearls; there are a fascinating series of methods used to make them, and even Leonardo d'a Vinci had his own pet method. They didn't, however, look anything like plastic pearls and if you are looking for accuracy then you would have to reconstruct the faux pearls using the methods of the time. Similarly, paste or strass was used for jewels, but good paste is expensive and jewels were certainly not made from plastic or ordinary glass. Of course, if you've sewn 1500 hundred pearls by hand onto your kirtle then in my view, you would be perfectly entitled to throttle anyone objecting to them... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 16:12:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32675 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:12:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46K01C26810; Mon, 6 May 2002 14:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46K00R16246; Mon, 6 May 2002 14:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46JxVR15914 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:59:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-97-188.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.97.188]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AGB84122; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:59:22 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00d601c1f539$759dc760$bc614ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> <013601c1f532$7d1ce4a0$8dd8f1c3@henk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Allergy to wool was Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:06:06 +0100 Status: RO Hi Henk >Why is taht so in the USA? I have not heard of it overhere, Do they do something with wool over there? Besides, wool is the outer layer, linen goes against the skin. Nobody is allergic to linen, are they? Possibily the finishing in the US. It was very different both dye wise & finish wise when I was working there 10 odd years ago. Alex, my son, if hyper sensative to powders & finishes (among other things) It isn't a true allergy to wool, but manifests itself as such. So I am careful about what wools I clothe him in. I suspect it is a combination of such factors & a lack of use to natural fibres in many cases. Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 17:23:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00620 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46LA1C06827; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46LA0R27410; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:+kP47mhktj+5A+lBfPQoTLuoWx5tLMYW@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46L9cR27228 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:09:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g46L9ag16683 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:09:36 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples In-Reply-To: <013301c1f532$79401fa0$8dd8f1c3@henk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO On Mon, 6 May 2002, Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: > attachment? Anyone else want to see it too, so you'd know what Henk would > be reacting to? > > Please do both as attachments!!! I would like that. I'll see if I can find my above mentioned outfit in a picture somewhere en post is too. No, please post them on the web and link to them! I'm sure there's lots of us who'd like to see. I know I would. :) Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 17:28:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00655 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:28:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46LF2C07486; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:15:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46LF1R00326; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46LE3R29592 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (dialup-209.245.206.41.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net [209.245.206.41]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g46LE1s230722 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:14:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD6F1D2.DC1484FE@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) References: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> <013601c1f532$7d1ce4a0$8dd8f1c3@henk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:12:50 -0500 Status: RO > Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: > Why is taht so in the USA? I have not heard of it overhere, > Do they do something with wool over there? Besides, wool is > the outer layer, linen goes against the skin. Nobody is > allergic to linen, are they? It's my understanding that what many people are allergic to are the residual processing chemicals, rather than the wool itself. Perhaps it's processed differently in other countries. --Charlene -- You can fool too many people too much of the time. -- James Thurber _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 17:35:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00696 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:35:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46LN2C08283; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46LN1R05000; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46LMNR04675 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:22:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (dialup-209.245.206.41.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net [209.245.206.41]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g46LMMs39694 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:22:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD6F3C6.7A5F022F@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples References: <200205061045.g46Aj1R06074@net.indra.com> <3CD6B33E.E5EF4D18@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:21:10 -0500 Status: RO Liz / Cozit wrote: > 3) Names... well, yes... it used to be pretty bad. But now the SCA Heralds are a bit > better about avoiding the fantasy type names, and requiring documentation. The > exception is that if you want to use either your first or last name, and it's > reasonably close to period, they'll let you (ie. I kept the spelling of "Elisabeth" > for my SCA name, though I've not been able to find any examples of it spelled that way > in England in the time period I was looking at). Names are like clothing, there's not requirements. The SCA does not require you to register your name or armory (some kingdoms have added such a required for some things such as fighting for Crown). The "modern name allowance" allows a person to use their modern name regardless of it's resemblance to anything used in SCA-period. Basically, if someone wants an authentic name there are people very eager and willing to help, but there is a difference between 'authentic' and 'registrable'. --Charlene -- You can fool too many people too much of the time. -- James Thurber _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 17:36:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00704 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:36:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46LO1C08408; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46LO1R05616; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46LNqR05536 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:23:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g46LNpV19135 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013801c1f544$534cae00$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: <013401c1f532$7ab162e0$8dd8f1c3@henk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:23:48 -0400 Status: RO Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examplesGreetings-- > This is just why the SCA will always balance between fantasy/Hollywood >and historical reality. If everybody in the SCA has to be nobility and has to dress >according to their status in medieval/renaissance times, you'll get shortcuts, cheap >imitations and costume jewelry. The real stuff is just too expensive to imitate. If the >SCA would loose that concept and go 'common', clothing would become a lot cheaper >to make. I think it is just plain silly to win a crown and title in a tournament with rattan >sticks. The thing with the SCA is that it really is a big umbrella group for a lot of subgroups, many of whom like to get together and play. Its lack of focus is both a strength and a weakness, depending on the perspective. I'm seeing more and more people going for the "everyday" look (Drea's work is just one good example) using wools and linens, correct headgear and footwear, and so forth. And because it often looks really, really good (and "right"), there are increasing numbers of people imitating them year after year. That's the way things tend to go in the SCA, and while there's still the assumption that "everyone is gentry-level", that's increasingly interpreted to mean "we don't treat people like peasants" rather than "you can't dress like a peasant or have a peasant persona." Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 17:39:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00726 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:39:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46LQ0C08669; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46LQ0R06766; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.wireweb.net (smtp.wireweb.net [66.234.161.23]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46LPWR06514 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:25:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wireweb.net [66.234.162.13] by smtp.wireweb.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A4E637F000D2; Mon, 06 May 2002 16:25:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3CD6F6A6.D5EFFD43@wireweb.net> From: Alexandria Doyle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-PCD_V45 (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (and allergies) References: <20020506.122236.-405829.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:33:26 -0500 Status: RO seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > I have to ask a couple of questions regarding the whole allergy thing. >....I have never before heard of someone being allergic to linen! How does that happen? I thought that > linen was almost perfectly neutral and inert, .... > Karen > > ________________________________________________________________ > Have you heard of anyone being allergic to aloe vera? My daughter is, she breaks out in hives if she uses it on her sunburns, and at times when her system is sensitive, using a soap or shampoo with it in it she'll also break out. You know that hypoallergenic steel that they use for earrings that no one is suppose to be allergic to? I am, if it's not sterling silver or at least 14 carat gold plating, I can't wear those earring for more than 4 hours at a time. I can't explain why some people may be allergic to some that few others are, but it does happen... and yes I can sit in poison ivy without any ill effect Alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 17:53:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00808 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:53:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Le2C11255; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Le1R15932; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46LdjR15757 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:39:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-1-172-76.btinternet.com ([213.1.172.76] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 174qCs-0003cM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 22:39:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c20da2$e128b680$a2437ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCAcostuming) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 22:08:24 +0100 Status: RO Cassandra wrote: ) > In response to Steve: > > >> my creations, my budget would afford me a very plain gown indeed! > > But then, by definition, you are not attempting to reproduce a 16th > > century costume. > Well, it seems to me that you are using a definition of reproduction that > even museums are not able to live up to. No. Museums do not use plastic pearls and plastic fabrics when they are seeking to represent the garments of a era long before plastic was invented. > And 'attempting' is indeed what she is doing - regardless of the outcome. No. She's not attempting to do it; she's saying, at the outset, that she is going to do something different. > If our goal is to 'reproduce' _everything_ down to the last molecule, This may be your goal, it's not mine. It's been a while since I last looked at atomic structure, apart from in the context of metals, but I'm pretty sure that molecules don't behave like that ... >we might as well give up, go home and stick in a video, because it simply isn't > possible - if only because of the genetic development of organic materials > between now and back then. I'm not sure who the we you are referring to is; I will simply reiterate that whoever it is it doesn't include me. > Let us rephrase and say, we are attempting to reproduce the look and feel of > a 16th century costume to the best of our ability (everyone's ability being > different) Um, it's difficult to respond to the unspecified we; perhaps I should talk about me. I'm not suggesting that my goal is to reproduce anything. My goal is to learn as much as I can about the way garments were constructed and worn in the 16th and early 17th centuries in England. H-cost is thus the ideal mailing list for me since it is devoted to the study of costume in history, though of course, since it covers all places in all eras I get led astray fairly frequently into other fascinating areas. > It would also be cool if we could continue suggesting ways of making things > more authentic with the budgets we have rather than just saying 'ewww that's > not authentic!' Since I have never said "ewww" (probably because the vowel sounds are beyond me) and never used the word "authentic" perhaps you should address yourself to whatever person you are confusing me with... > >> . Individual faux pearls look fine at a 3-foot > >> distance, as do rhinestones. > > Ouch! Not to anyone who has any familiarity with pearls, they don't... > For my costume last weekend I had sewn on 1500 'Wachsperlen' on my > foreskirt, sleeves and hairpiece. They have a good weight and you have to > look quite closely to see that they are fake - everyone kept asking me if > they were real. Did the people in question know anything about pearls? >I've also bought a number of glass pearl necklaces and took > them apart with the intention of making a belt (didn't managed to finish it > in time but whatever). They are definitely heavy enough and good looking > enough and it seems to me that I remember reading somewhere that they also > had glass pearls and lots of costume jewelry. I'm not sure who "they" are; pearls have been used, and faked, for millennia, and the term "costume jewellery" was not known in the 16-17th century in England. >Considering that Europe had > access to many fewer real pearls than we have today (in the age of cultured > pearls and diving equipment in areas of the world that weren't really well > known back then) I think you will find that the places were all very well known then; at least they were to the people who lived in them. Pearls had been traded for millennia, but European access to the Venezualan pearl-beds exponentially increased following Columbus' "Enterprise to the Indies". If you are interested in actually learning something about pearls and their use in the Renaissance then "Pearls: A Natural History" by Landman, Mikkelsen, Bieler and Bronson, 2001, American Museum of Natural History and the Field Museum, is a good place to start. There are very large numbers of freshwater pearls available today, thanks to the Chinese entry into large-scale perliculture, and they are a great deal more accessible than the materials and methods used to make fake pearls in the period that you are interested in. > >> On not enough linen/ too much velvet... Materials on my current > >> gown are not authentic... > > You are choosing to use a wide variety of fakes for a variety of > > reasons. I'm not criticising your choices in any way; I'm simply > > noting that your outfit will bear no resemblance to anything actually > > worn in the 16th century. > I would also say it is a very broad loaded statement to say 'no' > resemblance. Unfortunately we do not have access to a real person from the > 16th century to tell us for sure if what we choose bears a resemblance or > not. Well, if one comes along I shall be first in line to escort him/her around the chemical works... >And what I think is an attempt on your part to sound objective about > this is coming across to some of us as criticism and a bit holier-than-thou. I see you are back to the unspecified we again; I do hope that you don't turn out to be the Queen incognito. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 17:53:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00812 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:53:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46LeAC11288; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:40:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Le9R16030; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:40:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46LdkR15774 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-1-172-76.btinternet.com ([213.1.172.76] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 174qCu-0003cM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 22:39:45 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c20da2$e28930e0$a2437ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <200205061843.g46Ihi713412@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 22:16:41 +0100 Status: RO Heather wrote: > Steve -- ever been to Spain? > They proudly boast about their fake-pearl industry, that's been > selling to Europe since the 16th century. They're quite good enough > to fool the eye, and an appraiser or two. I fear that you have been misled; the Spaniards, and everyone else with half a chance, has been faking pearls for a lot longer than a mere five hundred years. best wishes Stevie > > > Gillian wrote: > > > > > > > On plastic pearls... Here, I am less authentic. I see no reason > > not to use > > > faux pearls, especially given the large quantities of pearl seen in > > > Elizabethan portraiture. If I was forced to use only real pearls > > and gems on > > > my creations, my budget would afford me a very plain gown indeed! > > > > > > But then, by definition, you are not attempting to reproduce a 16th > > century costume. > > > > >. Individual faux pearls look fine at a 3-foot > > > distance, as do rhinestones. > > > > Ouch! Not to anyone who has any familiarity with pearls, they don't... > > > > > On not enough linen/ too much velvet... Materials on my current > > gown are not > > > authentic... > > > > You are choosing to use a wide variety of fakes for a variety of > > reasons. I'm not criticising your choices in any way; I'm simply > > noting that your outfit will bear no resemblance to anything actually > > worn in the 16th century. > > > > best wishes > > Stevie > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 17:57:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00823 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:57:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Lj3C12369; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Lj2R19433; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:45:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WDNE2K.mackie.com ([12.144.236.152]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46LiYR19147 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:44:34 -0600 (MDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New topic: Polish costuming Thread-Index: AcH1RyxgAwOsS2DzEdatKACw0LEy7w== From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g46LiYR19147 Subject: [h-cost] New topic: Polish costuming Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:44:18 -0700 Status: RO In addition to the 14th century Italian stuff that I've been researching, I've also been looking into sources for clothes during the same period in Poland. I've seen the Krystyna Turska book about court clothing in the Jagellonian period and I was wondering if anyone has stumbled across other good sources. Regards, Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 18:03:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00860 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:03:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46LoBC13505; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Lo9R23985; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:50:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46LngR23567 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:49:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g46Lpbp15013 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 6 May 2002 14:51:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200205062151.g46Lpbp15013@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCAcostuming) In-Reply-To: <000301c20da2$e128b680$a2437ad5@dan> "from Stevie Gamble at Jun 6, 2002 10:08:24 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Are you on some kind of crusade here? It seems the only likely objective you have is to alienate fellow costumers. Can we please drop this thread and perhaps accept that different people have different goals in costuming, and find different things to be fun -- some of us enjoy insulting others, even. "Best Wishes" .heather. > >And what I think is an attempt on your part to sound objective about > > this is coming across to some of us as criticism and a bit > holier-than-thou. > > I see you are back to the unspecified we again; I do hope that you > don't turn out to be the Queen incognito. > > best wishes > Stevie > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 18:15:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00908 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:15:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46M31C16162; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46M31R02927; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g46M28R02429 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 4584 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2002 22:02:02 -0000 Received: from p50801112.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?80.128.17.18?) (80.128.17.18) by mail.gmx.net (mp015-rz3) with SMTP; 6 May 2002 22:02:02 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCAcostuming) From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000301c20da2$e128b680$a2437ad5@dan> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 00:02:02 +0200 Status: RO >> And what I think is an attempt on your part to sound objective about >> this is coming across to some of us as criticism and a bit > holier-than-thou. > > I see you are back to the unspecified we again; I do hope that you > don't turn out to be the Queen incognito. > > best wishes > Stevie And if I were?... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 18:20:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00920 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:20:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46M73C17008; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46M73R05562; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pcp-2.ihug.co.nz (pcp-2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.66]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46M65R05038 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:06:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p17-nas7.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.217.17] by pcp-2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 174qcN-0000j2-00; Tue, 07 May 2002 10:06:03 +1200 Message-ID: <004201c1f54a$37c9c680$11d9adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCAcostuming) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:06:04 +1200 Status: RO Ok, You can be allergic to *anything*. I studied Immunology at Uni (first year it was offered to those of us persuing a BSc, and it matters not how natural or neutral or synthetic something is. There are even people allergic to themselves! Or water or.... seriously it has nothing to do with it being natural or not. It is an immune reaction and they are unpredictable. Look at me. My body creates antibodies to my own tissue. And you can't get more natural than your own tissues;) On to fake pearls: If you look at the sheer number of enormous pearls in portraiture (and this includes later on in 17thC art of *non* aristocracy) there must have been a large number of fakes. The number of naturally occuring pearls of that size, let alone regularity (some artistic licence taken into account also) would never natch up to what is seen. I have a book on pearls and it does go into the techniques of how they were faked in 16thC. And in the Visual History of Accesories there is a necklace of yet another sort of "fakery". It uses the inner whorls of nautilis shells. And you can't tell me people did not try to pull the wool in period;) I would suggest trying to find the better fakes though. I doubt the moulded on the string variety were available;) Then again one of the methods did involve wax filled glass bubbles... lined with a mixture of fish scales..... And there is a recipe for rose petal beads for rosaries.... And then there is "paste" for fake jewels..... michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 18:38:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00990 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:38:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46MP9C21153; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:25:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46MP5R17227; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f158.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.158]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46MOGR16663 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 May 2002 15:24:10 -0700 Received: from 12.224.202.188 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 May 2002 22:24:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.224.202.188] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (and allergies) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2002 22:24:10.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE839AA0:01C1F54C] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:24:10 -0700 Status: RO >I can't explain why some people may be allergic to some that few others >are, but it does happen... and yes I can sit in poison ivy without any >ill effect > >Alex In high school I dated a guy for about two weeks until I realized that my face broke out everytime we kissed. We stayed good friends, but the whole romantic concept was out!! ;} My daughter has been trying to get poison oak because her best friend did and can't seem to break out at all. I guess some skins get all the luck. Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 18:56:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01086 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:56:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Mi1C25673; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Mi0R29510; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46MhOR29138 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:43:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-102.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.102]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559487D97 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:43:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3CD70709.90603@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Finally the firsth wedding pictures!!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 00:43:21 +0200 Status: RO Hi, These are the fisth pictures of my 16th century wedding! http://members2.photofun.com/Deredere-Galbraith/Weddingclothing Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 19:00:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01105 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:00:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Mm1C26614; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Mm1R02354; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46MlaR02096 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9093710F0AC for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 74F783A8028 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012501c1f54f$408d0610$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020506.122236.-405829.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> <3CD6F6A6.D5EFFD43@wireweb.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (and allergies) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:42:07 -0400 Status: RO I found I'm allergic to tea tree oil--the stuff makes me break out in a rash. I also can't wear "hypoallergenic" Almay cosmetics, Mary kay cosmetics, or those "hypoallergenic" earrings. Like you, it has to be gold or silver. And since really good jewelry can get expensive, I let the holes in my ears close up. (yes, it does happen.) But now, after several years of only being able to wear clip-ons--which are hard to find, not very secure, and if they are secure they HURT!--I'm seriously considering getting them re-pierced. But still only one hole per ear. just in case... Dianne > Have you heard of anyone being allergic to aloe vera? My daughter is, > she breaks out in hives if she uses it on her sunburns, and at times > when her system is sensitive, using a soap or shampoo with it in it > she'll also break out. > > You know that hypoallergenic steel that they use for earrings that no > one is suppose to be allergic to? I am, if it's not sterling silver or > at least 14 carat gold plating, I can't wear those earring for more than > 4 hours at a time. > > I can't explain why some people may be allergic to some that few others > are, but it does happen... and yes I can sit in poison ivy without any > ill effect > > Alex > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 19:01:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01120 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:01:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Mn1C26803; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Mn1R02910; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46MmnR02765 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 66-44-5-47.s1317.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.5.47] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 174rHk-0004P7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 18:48:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD708E0.6090607@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010801 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1666 Stuf coat?? References: <3CD5DD71.9090401@oldwaylane.net> <3CD687B4.D7FAA5EE@post12.tele.dk> <3CD68A1B.8DE79FD4@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 18:51:12 -0400 Status: RO Thanks for the ideas, everyone. I must say that my first thought was, like Leif's meant to be a "buff" coat, but once I looked at the handwriting, I'm pretty sure that's not a 'b' starting the word. Then I thought that maybe it was some sort of heavy, "stuffed" coat, maybe with feathers or something. I hadn't heard that "stuf" was often a word simply meaning "fabric". That could be what it is. does it look like the word in question really is "stuf"? Leif Drews wrote: > Sorry of the doubble posting. I forgot to mention that it also could be a > "stuffed" coat meaning it is lined with some interlinning of a kind, perhaps > wool. >Could this be a buff coat? A buff coat is a leather jacket. Sometimes it >has sleaves, and mostly it is without sleaves, like a waistcoat. >Bjarne -Judy Mitchell http://www.oldwaylane.net/BenjaminWilson1666.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 19:10:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01156 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:10:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Mw1C27511; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Mw0R07605; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46MvHR07203 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:57:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCocgBotCBanosQP5KVSQEB3ZmHkTR0vukg=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GZ6NZG9D; Mon, 06 May 2002 18:55:59 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCAcostuming) Message-ID: <20020506.174721.-379141.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-6,11-13,15-17,25-26 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:47:21 -0500 Status: RO On Tue, 7 May 2002 10:06:04 +1200 "michaela" writes: > > There are even people allergic to themselves! Or water or.... > seriously it has nothing to do with it being natural or not. I'm aware that there are many natural substances that cause allergic reactions. If you got the natural issue from my post, what I actually was that linen was 'neutral', as in pH neutral neither acidic nor basic, either of which could cause an irritation of the epidermis. Any number of 'natural' things are really, really bad for you! ;-) > It is an immune reaction and they are unpredictable. Look at me. My > body creates antibodies to my own tissue. And you can't get more natural > than your own tissues;) This is true. I'm also aware of the variety of immunological responses that the human body can have in uncommon circumstances. However what I am wondering about is: what is it about linen that causes an allergic reaction. I've been doing historical costuming for almost 25 years and I've never before heard of this allergy and since it could impact my costuming, I'd like to know what's causing it.....and I like a good mystery! So any ideas as to what part of linen could be causing the problem? Karen ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 19:40:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01274 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:40:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46NS3C29930; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46NS0R21297; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:28:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtai03.cox.net (lakemtai03.cox.net [68.1.17.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46NRUR21084 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:27:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020506230621.GWIV29627.lakemtao01.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:06:21 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Finally the firsth wedding pictures!!! Message-ID: <000201c1f556$28747d40$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3CD70709.90603@kabelfoon.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:31:28 -0400 Status: RO Oh! How beautiful! You all look wonderful, and very happy! (as you should!) Congratulations!! Linda -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Deredere & Owen Iskander Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:43 PM To: H-costume Subject: [h-cost] Finally the firsth wedding pictures!!! Hi, These are the fisth pictures of my 16th century wedding! http://members2.photofun.com/Deredere-Galbraith/Weddingclothing Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 19:50:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01332 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:50:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Nc1C00918; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Nc0R25321; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (sproxy.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g46NbCR24982 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 19849 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2002 23:37:05 -0000 Received: from p50801112.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?80.128.17.18?) (80.128.17.18) by mail.gmx.net (mp011-rz3) with SMTP; 6 May 2002 23:37:05 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3103580226_788451" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 01:37:05 +0200 Status: RO > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3103580226_788451 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable HI Henk >> =20 >> I had the pleasure of meeting a group of Dutch SCAdians in Eindhoven on = april >> 21st of this year and I was pleasantly surprised, as I told Gerard. It l= ooked >> a lot better than I have ever seen before. It=B9s like what happened to Kayta. She didn=B9t go for a really long time and then found that things had developed. People trying to =8Cget it right=B9 attract and teach others who also want to =8Cget it right=B9. >>=20 >> I would love to see more and look forward to the pictures you mentioned. I just got access to a bunch but they are too big so I need to do some serious formatting so normal people with normal modems won=B9t get irritated >> =20 >>> >I would violently protest this statement. I have been in the SCA for a= bit >>> over three years now and aside from a very few American Military member= s who >>> just was to drink and have fun, everybody I know (including myself) has= been >>> trying to be authentic as possible given the individual level of knowle= dge, >>> ability and resources. It IS creative anachronism in that yes we are >>> focusing on bygone times and most definitely creative especially when y= ou >>> are trying to recreate something that hasn=B9t existed for hundreds of ye= ars >>> using methods long forgotten and buried, with materials no one makes an= ymore >>> unless you do it yourself. >> =20 >> You may protest, but I was reacting to a bunch of photos on = a >> website, and remembered a similar set of a 12th night series of last yea= r. >> And I wrote down what I saw.... Well, there you go. If you understand the background of the SCA =AD you will basically not see much =8Cauthentic=B9 looking except for maybe cut at a Twelft= h Night or Feast of Fools event. Traditionally this is where you are supposed to go crazy and like make armor out of CDs (anyone know Tassilo? From last year=B9s Feast of Fools?) or an Elizabethan outfit out of neon pink and green lycra or something. And I don=B9t think any one has ever claimed those costumes were in the least authentic. They are just plain fun. Also I have found pictures online do little justice to the actual work done= . You really have to be there to see how good some things are. =20 >> This is just why the SCA will always balance between fantasy/Hollywood = and >> historical reality. Is there another group on this scale which not only works at trying getting the garb and food right but also tries to incorporate the same type of social structures from whatever period the Middle Ages? >>=20 >> If everybody in the SCA has to be nobility and has to dress according t= o >> their status in medieval/renaissance times, you'll get shortcuts, cheap >> imitations and costume jewelry. The real stuff is just too expensive to >> imitate. If the SCA would loose that concept and go 'common', clothing w= ould >> become a lot cheaper to make. Not every one wants to be nobility =AD last weekend most were not. Polderslot is definitely not a shire full of noble-wannabes. Common is =8Ceasy=B9. I have =8Ccommon=B9 garb but right now I prefer the challenge of the richer looking things. And besides so many people outside the SCA forget =AD we do this for fun! So let=B9s just leave the SCA alone! and stick to talking about our costumes. >>=20 >>> >I think it is just plain silly to win a crown and title in a tournamen= t >>> with rattan sticks. So what? =AD no one is forcing you to do it. BTW have you ever even tried it? I hear it=B9s quite therapeutic without having to actually draw blood ;) And = I find it quite impressive to watch. >> =20 >>> >Go get some sleep. >> I did, Am I making sense now? :))) Cass :) >> =20 --B_3103580226_788451 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples HI Henk

I had the pleasure of meeting a group of Dutch SCAdians in Eindhoven on apr= il 21st of this year and I was pleasantly surprised, as I told Gerard. It lo= oked a lot better than I have ever seen before.
It’s like what = happened to Kayta. She didn’t go for a really long time and then found= that things had developed. People trying to ‘get it right’ attr= act and teach others who also want to ‘get it right’.

I would love to see more and look forward to the pictures you mentioned.
I just got access to = a bunch but they are too big so I need to do some serious formatting so norm= al people with normal modems won’t get irritated  

>I would violently protest this statement. I have been in the SCA for a = bit over three years now and aside from a very few American Military members= who just was to drink and have fun, everybody I know (including myself) has= been trying to be authentic as possible given the individual level o= f knowledge, ability and resources. It IS creative anachronism in that yes w= e are focusing on bygone times and most definitely creative especiall= y when you are trying to recreate something that hasn’t existed for hu= ndreds of years using methods long forgotten and buried, with materials no o= ne makes anymore unless you do it yourself.
 
            You may protest, but I was reacting to a bunch of pho= tos on a website, and remembered a similar set of a 12th night series of las= t year. And I wrote down what I saw....
Well, there you go. If = you understand the background of the SCA – you will basically not <= /I>see much ‘authentic’ looking except for maybe cut at a Twelft= h Night or Feast of Fools event. Traditionally this is where you are suppose= d to go crazy and like make armor out of CDs (anyone know Tassilo? From last= year’s Feast of Fools?) or an Elizabethan outfit out of neon pink and= green lycra or something. And I don’t think any one has ever claimed = those costumes were in the least authentic. They are just plain fun.

Also I have found pictures online do little justice to the actual work done= . You really have to be there to see how good some things are.
This is just why the SCA= will always balance between fantasy/Hollywood and historical reality.
Is there another group = on this scale which not only works at trying getting the garb and food right= but also tries to incorporate the same type of social structures from whate= ver period the Middle Ages?

 If everybody in the SCA has to be nobility and has to dress according= to their status in medieval/renaissance times, you'll get shortcuts, cheap = imitations and costume jewelry. The real stuff is just too expensive to imit= ate. If the SCA would loose that concept and go 'common', clothing would bec= ome a lot cheaper to make.
Not every one wants to = be nobility – last weekend most were not. Polderslot is definitely not= a shire full of noble-wannabes. Common is ‘easy’. I have ‘= ;common’ garb but right now I prefer the challenge of the richer looki= ng things. And besides so many people outside the SCA forget – we do t= his for fun! So let’s just leave the SCA alone! and stick to talking a= bout our costumes.

>I think it is just plain silly to win a crown and title in a tournament= with rattan sticks.
So what? – no o= ne is forcing you to do it. BTW have you ever even tried it? I hear it’= ;s quite therapeutic without having to actually draw blood ;) And I find it = quite impressive to watch.

>Go get some sleep.
        &nbs= p;   I did, Am I making sense now?
:)))

Cass :)

--B_3103580226_788451-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 19:55:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01354 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:55:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g46Nh0C01359; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46Nh0R27374; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.99main.com (mail.99main.com [208.28.184.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g46NgaR27169 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 17:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99main.com (max2-113.99main.com [208.28.186.113]) by mail.99main.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/000116) with ESMTP id TAA11346 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD714AA.D637E04D@99main.com> From: marilyn traber X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD EBM-Compaq (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) References: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> <002d01c1f520$9e5c6b20$e5ba7ad5@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 19:41:30 -0400 Status: RO Sorry, 90% of the population of the world wouldn't recognize a real pearl if they found it in an oyster, let alone sewn onto somebodies garb. There are sne fairly good faux pearls, made in the same manner that they were being made in the Elizabethan era [which IS 16th century. And in the 16th century they both used fake glass and dissolved nacre pearls as well as those little river pearls on clothing.] Me? I buy up the decent river pearls when my favorite jewelry pusher has sales. At one time I had a quart of river pearls that cost all of $180, something like 300 16 inch strands or about 5000 pearls. If you are willing to look for bargains, it is amazing what you can find ;-) It kept me in pearls for opus anglorum for about 4 years and a lot of garments and goodies [ if anybody saw my champion ld Ian McLaughlan from 97-99, that blue velvet and pearl sword scabbard was my work. Took a very nice prize in an A&S competiton along with matching belt pouch, and favor.] margali -- ~~~~~ The Quote Starts Here: > > On plastic pearls... Here, I am less authentic. I see no reason > not to use > > faux pearls, especially given the large quantities of pearl seen in > > Elizabethan portraiture. If I was forced to use only real pearls > and gems on > > my creations, my budget would afford me a very plain gown indeed! > > > But then, by definition, you are not attempting to reproduce a 16th > century costume. > > >. Individual faux pearls look fine at a 3-foot > > distance, as do rhinestones. > > Ouch! Not to anyone who has any familiarity with pearls, they don't... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 20:29:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01597 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:29:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g470H1C03559; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470H0R09354; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470GaR09214 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DarlaKDavis@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.107.115c8f7c (3312) for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: DarlaKDavis@aol.com Message-ID: <107.115c8f7c.2a0876d4@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_107.115c8f7c.2a0876d4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10503 Subject: [h-cost] Finally the first wedding pictures!!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:16:20 EDT Status: RO --part1_107.115c8f7c.2a0876d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hi, > > These are the first pictures of my 16th century wedding! > > http://members2.photofun.com/Deredere-Galbraith/Weddingclothing > > > Greetings, > Deredere > Best wishes to the lovely bride and lucky groom. Who are those adorable children? Katrin --part1_107.115c8f7c.2a0876d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi,

These are the first pictures of my 16th century wedding!

http://members2.photofun.com/Deredere-Galbraith/Weddingclothing


Greetings,
        Deredere


Best wishes to the lovely bride and lucky groom.  Who are those adorable children?

Katrin --part1_107.115c8f7c.2a0876d4_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 20:47:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01680 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:47:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g470Z1C04791; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470Z0R15153; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:35:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470YnR15090 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:34:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVP00IS8TLZVR@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 17:34:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) In-reply-to: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020506163545.00c1e630@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:39:48 -0700 Status: RO >On plastic pearls... I am under the impression Elizabeth I used fake pearls in some capacity, probably sewn onto dresses. Given they weren't plastic, but they weren't 'real' either. I would never use the pre-strung pearls, because they look too cheap and plasticy. I would string separate pearls and use that. >On glasses... I buy disposable contacts just for SCA events, My eyes are so bad not even the best state-of-the-art contacts will keep me out of glasses. In addition to the extreme nearsightedness, I am astigmatic. Nobody makes trifocals for the astigmatic, which is what I would need today. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 20:47:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01685 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:47:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g470ZRC04824; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:35:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470ZQR15270; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470YoR15096 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:34:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVP00IS8TLZVR@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 17:34:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: No resemblance... (was Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) In-reply-to: <002d01c1f520$9e5c6b20$e5ba7ad5@dan> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020506164518.00c16890@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:46:23 -0700 Status: RO >You are choosing to use a wide variety of fakes for a variety of >reasons. I'm not criticising your choices in any way; I'm simply >noting that your outfit will bear no resemblance to anything actually >worn in the 16th century. No resemblance at all? Not to anything? Isn't that a little extreme? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 20:48:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01694 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:48:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g470a1C04890; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470a0R15445; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470ZkR15381 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:35:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVP00IS8TLZVR@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 17:35:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples In-reply-to: <013301c1f532$79401fa0$8dd8f1c3@henk> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020506165806.00c12e00@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020503133321.04cff220@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020504104615.04da0e70@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020506034928.04ee7c30@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 17:02:13 -0700 Status: RO >> >Gosh - I'll just have to show you my next SCA outfit and see what you >> think. >> >>I probably met the wrong people all the time ;-) It all depends on where you were. I was in an SCA backwater, and was one of the first costume historians that group had. >>I'll have to show you a picture of my first SCA outfit as well, for >>comparison. You'll hate it - I do. It's pretty awful, but still it was >>more authentic than most of what SCA folks were wearing where I was in 1971. >> >>I would love to see it. When I get it scanned I certainly will. >>Then again you should see the way I dressed in 1991 as a 14th c herald! >>From 10 m it looked allright, but it was all cotton, had plastic buttons >>and my pouch was a greek souvenir. And it was a lot, a great lot more >>authentic than all teh stuff I saw the Drachenwald/Polderslot crowd wear >>(did they have buttons in the 14th c, one of them asked me!). Isn't experience wonderful? I didn't sew very well then, as compared to now. The inside is as awful as the outside was. >>Or I can show you >>my last Ren. Fair outfit. Shall I send it directly to you, as an >>attachment? >>Please do both as attachments!!! I would like that. I'll see if I can >>find my above mentioned outfit in a picture somewhere en post is too. Ren outfit will be sent as attachment to your address. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 20:50:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01707 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:50:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g470c2C05023; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470c0R16084; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470b2R15742 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVP00IS8TLZVR@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 17:37:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Specs (was level of SCA costuming) In-reply-to: <013501c1f532$7c42b140$8dd8f1c3@henk> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020506170741.04e26a00@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <007d01c1f4ea$c199eee0$8dd8f1c3@henk> <4.3.1.2.20020506041351.04ea6360@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 17:09:36 -0700 Status: RO >> >For me, 'hairy sightwise' would be all the time. I've been in bifocals >>since I was 10, and am literally blind without my glasses. One time I >>tried walking without the glasses, at the old Black Point Ren. Fair >>site. I stepped on a rock I didn't see and fell down in the dirt >>street. I skinned one knee and both hands, sprained my ankle, and ripped >>my costume. I couldn't see well enough to mend the costume without the >>glasses. What did blind people do in your historical period? >> >>Move very carefully if they did not know the terrain. Or they asked >>somebody to lead them somewhere. No fun. But then, it was probably no fun then either. >> >Check with the Rev. War suppliers. Somebody makes these frames. I've >> seen >>them in a catalog somewhere. >> >>Rev War specs are different from medieval-ren glasses. I was thinking Jas. Townsend, as someone else posted and I couldn't think of the name at the time. I know Rev. War specs from these (they sell both kinds), and I agree about not the same. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 20:50:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01711 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:50:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g470c9C05044; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:38:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470c9R16144; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:38:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470b2R15746 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVP00IS8TLZVR@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 17:37:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: name change (was Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) In-reply-to: <013601c1f532$7d1ce4a0$8dd8f1c3@henk> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020506171110.04d8d530@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g470b2R15746 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 17:17:28 -0700 Status: RO >>I don't see why you cannot change your 'play' name after 10 years, it's >>not so's you have to go to the government to do that? Change should >>always be possible. My 14th c patronym was 'Cornelissone' untio I found >>out that Cornelis only came in use in the 15th c in my province, so I >>changed it to 'Costijnssoen'. No problem. I was in a bar once, talking to the new owners. I asked them why they didn't change the silly name the bar had when they bought it. They said if they changed the name, the cab drivers would never find it. I have changed the last part of my SCA name several times, as circumstances and research changed. I know how long I have known some of my friends by which name they remember. But the 'Käthe' part has stayed the same, and has found it's way into my legal name these days, as 'Kayta'. (In fact, almost nobody calls me 'Carolyn' anymore, but my mother and my childhood friends.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 20:57:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01760 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:57:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g470j3C05570; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470j2R18548; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:45:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g470ieR18414 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id SAA12629 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:03:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200205070103.SAA12629@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (and allergies) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO A word on allergies: it is possible for the immune system to react to _any_ protein. Including ones you wouldn't think possible (rice is the food allergy that most people claim "can't" happen). Simply because spomething is "natural" is no guarantee that _someone_ won't eventually have a reaction to it. Otherwise, things like pollen allergies wouldn't exist, my friends (and how I wish that were true). It is true that one can have a reaction to the pesticides used in cultivating cotton and linen. If you think that regular linen is expensive, then wait til you see the prices on organic linen, cotton and hemp. At that point, one might _as well_ go ahead and buy silk. Except that most silks are the wrong weight, and it's entirely possible for someone to be allergic to _that_ as well. Wools almost always still have a trace of lanolin in them, unless it's been thoroughly boiled or felted. There are _plenty_ of people out there with lanolin allergies. I have found wools I can wear...but I abused the hell out of the fabric before it became wearable. The only other exception was the 100% wool gabardine that I made my marching band jacket out of. And that's lined in cotton. That particular wool was in the $20/yd range, which puts it way out of my league for making a dress that takes 10-15 yards of fabric. And again, I prewashed the hell out of it. A less sturdy weave would've done bad things under that treatment. Another question for you out there: do you sneer at folks who wear orthopedic braces the same way you do at ones who wear glasses? They're both prosthetics, and for some just as absolutely neccessary. I always made sure to cover my leg braces when I did period costumes, but there was a time that I could _not_ get to events without them. And playing the period cripple got old fast, especially since I need to be able to use my hands to play. Are we going to start telling the handicapped, "You can't play unless you can ditch or hide all your adaptive equipment"? I _can_ go without my glasses. There are an awful lot of people who can't. At one time, I could _not_ go without my leg braces and cane. And there are some people who will never have the option of going without. Shall you sneer at them as well? Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 21:31:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01903 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:31:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g471J2C07320; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g471J1R29053; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g471IaR28955 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 19:18:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.51] (as3-4-65.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.51]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g471IYg29327 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <013401c1f532$7ab162e0$8dd8f1c3@henk> References: <013401c1f532$7ab162e0$8dd8f1c3@henk> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g471IaR28955 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:53:12 -0700 Status: RO At 8:43 PM +0200 5/6/02, Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: >     You may protest, but I was reacting to a bunch of photos >on a website, and remembered a similar set of a 12th night series of >last year. And I wrote down what I saw.... You also have to keep in mind that this particular set of photographs was _not_ selected as "examples of good costuming" or even "examples of typical costuming" but rather "people who took advantage of an offer of free portrait photography at a particular event". Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 22:23:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02148 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:23:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g472B4C10568; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g472B0R14515; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g472AWR14375 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.97.272b0b88 (4238) for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:10:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <97.272b0b88.2a08918d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_97.272b0b88.2a08918d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:10:21 EDT Status: RO --part1_97.272b0b88.2a08918d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/6/02 3:44:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, scapreel@tip.nl writes: > There's an easy trick to that: keep your glasses in a purse or bag at your > belt and put 'em on when things get hairy sightwise. Very hard to do when you are being filmed live --part1_97.272b0b88.2a08918d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/6/02 3:44:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, scapreel@tip.nl writes:


There's an easy trick to that: keep your glasses in a purse or bag at your belt and put 'em on when things get hairy sightwise.


Very hard to do when you are being filmed live --part1_97.272b0b88.2a08918d_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 23:13:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02416 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:13:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47312C13552; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47310R28882; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47309R28630 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:00:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g473045c005375 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:00:08 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <3CD6B33E.E5EF4D18@comcast.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:05:42 -0700 Status: RO Just a comment on a portion of this post since I agree to a large extent. "3) Names... well, yes... it used to be pretty bad. But now the SCA Heralds are a bit better about avoiding the fantasy type names, and requiring documentation. The exception is that if you want to use either your first or last name, and it's reasonably close to period, they'll let you (ie. I kept the spelling of "Elisabeth" for my SCA name, though I've not been able to find any examples of it spelled that way in England in the time period I was looking at)." The HERALDS are getting better!!!!!???? I beg your pardon! Who in the world do you think submits God Buda Odinson (okay, THAT was a heraldic joke that can be documented), or Fairylee Glamora Gossimer Nightshade! Not the Heralds. It's the populace, and they get pissed as h*ll when someone has the effrontery to tell them no, or even suggest that they (note THEY! NOT THE HERALDS) should do some research on a period name. For the record, the College of Heralds has required documentation almost since the beginning. My name went through during the tenure of Wilhelm von Schluessel and I had to have three sources showing common usage. The College of Heralds probably gets more hate mail and contemptuous dislike than any part of the SCA including the BoD. Why don't we have all documentable period names? Because many SCA want what they want, and no authority figure is going to tell them any different. On the other hand we don't have to come to our game completely fitted out with costume and kit before we attend our first event. Having just returned from an event in Drachenwald which had a significant number of Germans, Dutch (Netherlanders?), and Swedes as well as Americans in attendance. One of the new German members mentioned he had sought out the SCA because it gave him an opportunity to grow a persona and make kit over a time period rather than plunk down the hundreds of Euros and thousands of hours the European groups required. It also allowed him to move hundreds of years in each direction as new things caught his fancy. Regina Romsey (the Heralds wouldn't let me be Regina de Romsey since they thought it allowed me to claim territory :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 23:37:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02695 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:37:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g473P1C15272; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g473P0R06261; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g473OSR05906 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.13.74]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g473ONt08785 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:24:23 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Message-ID: <3CD6E84B.27952.57A7B17@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <013401c1f532$7ab162e0$8dd8f1c3@henk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:32:11 -0700 Status: RO > This is just why the SCA will always balance between > fantasy/Hollywood and historical reality. If > everybody in the SCA has to be nobility and has to > dress according to their status in > medieval/renaissance times, you'll get shortcuts, > cheap imitations and costume jewelry. The real stuff > is just too expensive to imitate. Like they didn't have shortcuts, cheap imitations and costume jewelry in the middle ages and renaissance? One of the things I've learned as I've studied the textile/accessory archeology of the middle ages and renaissance is just how much they did do with cheap imitations and costume jewelry. Sure, we have lovely ruby, emerald, sapphire and diamond gemstones set in gold in the museums, but there is even more (even in places such as the Inventories of Henry VIII) of things like paste and other forms of counterfeit jewels (including using wax as imitation pearls. Yuck!) and the use of copper wire and counterfeit "precious metal" (such as "brass and copper"). Problem is, most of the books and museums don't show these. (Exceptions being museums like Museum of London and books like the ones put out by the Museum of London.) At an event like a Twelfth Night Coronation (such as the web site we've been discussing), you are going to see the major knock your socks off court stuff. That doesn't mean that people aren't going to be wearing wool and linen the rest of the time. Most of the people in my area (the Pacific Northwest) tend to wear a lot of wool (because it's practical in cold, damp weather! Thank God for the Pendleton outlet stores and Mill Ends) and, when we can get our hands on it, linen (because it works better than cotton when it's hot and sticky.) This even extends to our new people. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 6 23:44:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02748 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:44:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g473W2C15772; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g473W1R08322; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g473VCR08116 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:31:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.13.74]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g473V9t09233 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 20:31:10 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (and allergies) Message-ID: <3CD6E9E1.6022.580ACE7@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200205070103.SAA12629@gw.retro.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:38:57 -0700 Status: RO > Except that most silks are the wrong weight, and it's entirely > possible for someone to be allergic to _that_ as well. The only reason that we don't see more silk allergy is because it is actually used uncommonly in modern clothes. It's a *very* allergenic fiber! Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 03:18:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31683 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 03:18:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4775HC06301; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:05:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47496R18175; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:09:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4748cR18026 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.124.111]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g4748ah29541 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:08:36 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) Message-ID: <3CD6F29F.7140.5A2D505@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3CD6C31C.D589FAB2@inetone.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:16:15 -0700 Status: RO > I have to say something here about faux stones and pearls. I use them > as I need to or desire a certain look. I have learned recently lesser > nobles in fact did use faux pearls and stones. I didn't say all the > time nor can I quote you a source other then my instructor. The _Inventories of Henry VIII_, and Ronald Lightbown's _Medieval European Jewelry_ and the Museum of London series of books (such as Dress Accessories) as well as things like Geoff Egan and Hazel Forsyth's chapter in _The Age of Transition-The Archeology of English Culture 1400-1600 ed David Garinster and Dul Stamper, Oxbow monograph 98, 1997. The ed's might not be spelled right as the writing is not 100% legible. Thank God the article is a photocopy.) discuss the use of counterfeits. I'm sure that I have other sources too, but these are the ones which come to mind off hand. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 03:18:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31682 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 03:18:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4775HC06293; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:05:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g476E0R21589; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g476CxR21270 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (dialup-209.245.200.130.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net [209.245.200.130]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g476CwB210980 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:12:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD77029.7BA468D4@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] hygiene Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 01:11:53 -0500 Status: RO >From time to time the top of historic hygiene comes up on this list. Here's a piece about a bathroom exhibit along with toilet paper history: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/WolfFiles/wolffiles.html --Charlene -- You can fool too many people too much of the time. -- James Thurber _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:18:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32172 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:18:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4785bC14528; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g477v1R15271; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f177.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.177]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g477umR15202 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:56:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:56:43 -0700 Received: from 194.66.208.11 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 07:56:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [194.66.208.11] From: "David Angel Aware" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1666 Stuf coat?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 07:56:43.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA594380:01C1F59C] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 07:56:42 +0000 Status: RO From: Judy Mitchell Thanks for the ideas, everyone. I must say that my first thought was, like Leif's meant to be a "buff" coat, but once I looked at the handwriting, I'm pretty sure that's not a 'b' starting the word. Then I thought that maybe it was some sort of heavy, "stuffed" coat, maybe with feathers or something. I hadn't heard that "stuf" was often a word simply meaning "fabric". That could be what it is. does it look like the word in question really is "stuf"? Judy, I sent the link to the inventory to Nicole, you know here? She used to be here on the list, she's an expert on anything Baroque and doing a PhD on it now. She said that it is 'Stuf', definitely, and that she'll look it up to make certain what it means and come back to me. I'll let you know. David _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:18:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32179 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:18:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4786AC14953; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:06:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g477I1R06827; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g477HSR06654 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:17:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-229.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.229]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7137E09 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:17:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3CD77F78.3020902@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finally the first wedding pictures!!! References: <107.115c8f7c.2a0876d4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:17:12 +0200 Status: RO They are good friends of us. They loved their costumes! I spend 1.5 year to organise the wedding and make my dress and the costumes for the children and some other costumes. And my husband worked for aboud 5 months to embroider his costume and the one of the boy. But It was al worth it. We had so much fun! And all our guests too!! We were married in a small courthouse in IJsselstein and had our reseption in a part of and old cloister. After the reseption we went to a beautifull amusement park. If you want to know how beautifull, ask Cassandra. It has a fairytale park with beautiful nature and Small castels and houses. You can find the castle of sleepingbeaty where she lays a sleep for 50 years now ... We slept in their hotel in the nothernlight room in a bed that looked like a troika and a living room that was a small iglo. And on saturday morning we arrived at the event peasant beltane where a lot of our friends experiansed thei firsth SCA event. But Now I am going to go tho a shop to get some more pictures of our wedding. Hopefully I will get some better pictures of our costumes. My dress is hard to make pictures of, because of the colours and the fine details. Greetings, Deredere DarlaKDavis@aol.com wrote: >> Hi, >> >> These are the first pictures of my 16th century wedding! >> >> http://members2.photofun.com/Deredere-Galbraith/Weddingclothing >> >> >> Greetings, >> Deredere > > > > Best wishes to the lovely bride and lucky groom. Who are those > adorable children? > > Katrin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:20:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32195 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:20:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4787DC16100; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:07:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g476a1R26803; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g476YxR26561 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:35:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (dialup-209.245.200.130.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net [209.245.200.130]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g476YwB261646; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:34:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD77551.700636EC@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List , h-needlework list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Hawaiian textiles museums Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 01:33:53 -0500 Status: RO My husband and I are going to Hawaii this month (Oahu & Maui). I've flipped through the guide book and haven't found any mention of museums on either island that have textile exhibits. I'd be especially interested in Hawaiian quilting. Anyone have any pointers? Thanks, --Charlene -- You can fool too many people too much of the time. -- James Thurber _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:20:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32201 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:20:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4788IC16780; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:08:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g475e4R13038; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g475ddR12895 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:39:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GVQ7PZ00.T6A; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:39:35 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: , Subject: RE: [h-cost] check out this partlet... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:41:53 -0700 Status: RO I think if I had to lay this trim dopwn by hand, it would be puffier than if I did it with a machine. If I did it on airy China silk, it would be even puffier. However, there may be two layers here: one to anchor and one to puff. This is all highly conjectural on my part. Also, I've always assumed this was direct embroidery, but it could be passmentarie, I guess. I can't tell just from the way my monitor shows me this close-up, though. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Azelana@aol.com > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:34 AM > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] check out this partlet... > > > How is the fabric manipulation on this partlet done, do you > think? It looks > a little puffy for just intersecting pintuks... Any ideas? > > http://www.marquise.de/images/1500/1570_3d.jpg > > Incidentally, does the neckline look to you all more like woven trim > embellished with buttons of pearl and gems, or a hard > goldwork/bilament/"jewelled square"? I do note her necklace > matches the gown > neckline, which I suppose could support the bilament concept. > I'm happy the > gown has straps though, seeing as how I decided to do it on mine. > > --Gillian > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:21:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32207 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:21:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4788ZC17011; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:08:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g475x0R17677; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g475wWR17565 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:58:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GVQ8LI00.J67 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:58:30 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT--Amazon is about to spam you Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3CD6C501.3681874E@lavoltapress.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:00:16 -0700 Status: RO This isn't nearly as bad as Yahoo's please-spam-me page, but worth looking at. Thanks for the heads-up, Fran. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Lavolta Press > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:02 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] OT--Amazon is about to spam you > > > Remember how YahooGroups recently reset all members' email preferences > to say, "Please, send me lots of spam?" Amazon.com just did it too. > To reset your preferences again: > > Go to Amazon and click on "Your Account" at the top of the page. > > Under "Personal Information" click "Update your communication > preferences." > > After logging in, uncheck all the boxes in the first section. Note > that at the bottom you can ask to receive only essential communication > about orders and bids. > > Fran Grimble > > --------------------------------------------- > Visit our web pages! > Books on historic costume and vintage clothes > http://www.lavoltapress.com > Historic and vintage dance > http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:21:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32206 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:21:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4788cC17047; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47411R15907; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4740WR15799 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GVQ34V00.I2T; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:00:31 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: , Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:03:22 -0700 Status: RO Of glasses: I think Henk was trying subtly to suggest that, for the sake of the photograph, one might take them off and hand them to a friend. Nothing to do with trying to get around without them. Spectacles (with Side pieces) on are period for Elizabethans (those who can afford the,which would be anyone who can afford velvet) and probably 100 years earlier. No one ever said you must only use real gems. All my pearls are faux, but they are glass, not plastic. (And I never wear ropes and ropes of them,or every thing I own all at once, as some people seem to) All my jewels are glass, in fact. What a difference. Hi gang! D'ya miss me? MaggiRos The Elizabethan World is at http://ren.dm.net > On glasses... I buy disposable contacts just for SCA events, but > there have > been times I was unable to wear them cuz my eyes were irritated. > I do take > the glasses off for pics, though. The "keep 'em in a purse" thought is > great for people who only need glasses to read, but I'm legally > blind without > mine. "When things get hairy"? That's any time I'm walking > around without > my glasses! Many glasses-wearers can wear contacts for short > periods, and > disposables only worn for events will last you a while. Totally > worth the > cash [even if you can't read with them due to astygmatism]. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:21:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32216 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:21:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4788mC17181; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:08:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g475g0R13572; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g475f0R13299 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2110.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.110]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14003 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:39:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD76849.9B2649AD@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 01:38:22 -0400 Status: RO Hi, All. I think I can speak from both sides of the fence, as a reenactor for only slightly more years(26) than in the SCA(21). I appreciate and understand Henk's past frustration with a group with no official standards. I am pleased, however, that many folks have voluntarily decided to lift the bar up a few notches. I tend to think nowadays that the SCA is such a big organization that it would be impossible to set standards (and not lose more that half of the membership which, as any member of the Board of Directors would tell you, would be disastrous to the group). The fact that many folks set the example by leading from the front is admirable. I seriously believe that Henk's comments were not directed to anyone on this list, the great many of which are good scholars. Costuming has always been a big bugaboo with the SCA, as well as with many groups, as clothing is one of the biggest clues as to what the public views us as doing. It is difficult to take an organization seriously, especially one that receives not-for-profit status from it's government, that has no requirement to show the public a more professional face, yet there are those who do this task admirably. It is a shame that these individuals have to shoulder the burden for all, yet, there it is. I remember back to 1976, and how poorly my clothing for American RevWar was researched, compared to what I see now. I wonder how much the interest in the period spawned the research that is out there now? I doubt that anyone would have much cared if not for a few dedicated individuals who wanted to search out the details. If those dedicated people decide to split off from the main group and do more intensive research, I applaud their efforts. If some decide to remain and try to improve the old group from within, I say the same. Either way, you aren't going to change some people. It's a shame about some folks, but just as reenactment groups haven't supplanted the SCA, and the SCA hasn't supplanted RenFaires, and RenFaires haven't supplanted either the badly costumed highschool Shakespeare play (or for that matter, the badly costumed Hollywood film). We just try and do what we can, in the best way we know how. We try and lead from the front and by example... Cheers, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:21:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32221 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:21:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4788mC17184; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:08:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47415R15937; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4740WR15801 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GVQ34V00.I2T; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:00:31 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: , Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:03:22 -0700 Status: RO Of glasses: I think Henk was trying subtly to suggest that, for the sake of the photograph, one might take them off and hand them to a friend. Nothing to do with trying to get around without them. Spectacles (with Side pieces) on are period for Elizabethans (those who can afford the,which would be anyone who can afford velvet) and probably 100 years earlier. No one ever said you must only use real gems. All my pearls are faux, but they are glass, not plastic. (And I never wear ropes and ropes of them,or every thing I own all at once, as some people seem to) All my jewels are glass, in fact. What a difference. Hi gang! D'ya miss me? MaggiRos The Elizabethan World is at http://ren.dm.net > On glasses... I buy disposable contacts just for SCA events, but > there have > been times I was unable to wear them cuz my eyes were irritated. > I do take > the glasses off for pics, though. The "keep 'em in a purse" thought is > great for people who only need glasses to read, but I'm legally > blind without > mine. "When things get hairy"? That's any time I'm walking > around without > my glasses! Many glasses-wearers can wear contacts for short > periods, and > disposables only worn for events will last you a while. Totally > worth the > cash [even if you can't read with them due to astygmatism]. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:21:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32226 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:21:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4788xC17290; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:08:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g475t1R16645; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g475sCR16448 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:54:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2110.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.110]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22449 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:52:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD76B7A.C1FAD78E@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Washing wool in front-loading washers References: <10.1e68bc86.2a0816f2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 01:51:57 -0400 Status: RO Hi. I can't help but comment. I was in the store the other day, and a saleswomen was trying to sell this young couple on a front loader. She started by telling them "you know that problem where a sweater gets thicker and shorter, well, this won't happen with one of these". I interrupted her and mentioned fulling, and how the process of agitation, heat and soap are used to thicken wool, and asked her what the difference in agitation was that allowed the more expensive washer to avoid this. She told me that the difference was that the clothes are turned over and over rather than pulled down by the screw action of the old style machine. I said nothing, but thanked her, and left her to her sale. I can't see how a horizontal rotary action is in any way dissimilar to a vertical one in any fundamental way. The film of women fulling wool in the Orkneys that I have seen shows them agitating the wool vertically in the same way that a front loader would, only without the pushing action. Perhaps this is the secret? Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:21:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32231 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:21:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4789PC17512; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:09:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47541R03631; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4753nR03539 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2253.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.253]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22740 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD75F92.D14C6F8C@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Specs (was level of SCA costuming) References: <3CD671D6.24475.7873BE@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 01:01:11 -0400 Status: RO Hi. In my research, as a person who has sight problems, I can tell you that the person you spoke to was probably biased. At least within the period covered by the SCA, glasses were only there to magnify, not correct vision. You can certainly have a pair of glasses made to your prescription, and have them fitted with a proper frame. They will not be proper for the period in that they are a modern prescription, and your optometrist will not be happy with the fit, as the lens does not center correctly when worn in the period manner, but you would certainly be one step closer to "doing it right". If you are a member of a reenactment group, you might want to check with your group's standards. I am sad to say that vision problems and their correction is a problem in many periods of historical reenactment. I can't tell you how many times I see an 18th or 19th Cent. reenactment (ACW and RevWar) where the majority of the participants are wearing period styled frames, yet the mass of the participants together presents a truly myopic view (pun intended) of the period, making the public think that true vision correction was available far earlier than we know it to be (watch the film "Gettysburg", for example, and I say this in all due courtesy to a number of my friends, who were extras in that film, the majority of whom wear glasses). I am fortunate that, even though my problem is severe, as those who know me will attest, I still manage to persevere with contacts for the first person accurate stuff. I know not everyone can or will try them. In addition, I can say that my scholarly credentials include years of research into medicine and surgery of the Medieval and Renaissance periods (amateur, of course, although, I suppose if you are paid for it, you become sort-of professional), and that I haven't yet come across anything that would lead me to believe any other conclusion other than the one that I have voiced, but if there is any evidence out there for vision correction other than what I have mentioned, I am quite interested in it. Thanks, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32235 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:21:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4789AC17382; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:09:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g473s0R14080; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout05 (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g473rAR13888 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:53:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp234016pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net [68.55.178.225]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GVQ00H0P2RCOM@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 23:52:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Liz / Cozit To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3CD74F6F.6616A133@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200205061952.g46Jq1R11626@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Re: linen and wool Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 23:52:15 -0400 Status: RO Allergy-wise... since someone asked today about these two... Linen I have no problem with... as long as it's pretty good and been washed *lots* to take out the roughness. Even one of my overskirts that is linen is nice and soft, but I'd still have problems if it rubbed against my skin a lot.... Linen just happens to seem to have either more, sharper, or stiffer bits of fiber sticking out... even the better stuff. I have no allergy to it, love to work with it... but I have "dermititis problems" that among other things mean that I have fewer layers of skin than most and that it has a bad tendency to decide to rub off (ie. become raw) at times more easily than others. I'm going to keep using it... and I'm trying it for my next Tudor chemise... but no guarantees I can actually wear it even after spending the money and time on it. Wool on the other hand is a *real* problem for me. Yes, I'm allergic to lanolin (actually, it may be just a heightened sensitivity... the way that lanolin "smooths" your rough skin is by helping to take layers off... see the "fewer layers, sensitive skin comment above") I'm *also* allergic to wool. The telling factor is that my mom had a sweater that was only 15-25% wool (I don't remember the number, but it was very low). She'd had it since High School, and her family did not run to dry cleaning. That sweater had been washed by hand for *years*... and it was washed twice (all the *old* handmedowns were washed twice for me and my allergies) in detergent that was known to be ok for me. I wore it *over* a cotton turtleneck shirt... so no part of that sweater touched my skin. I had to take it off because my eyes were becoming irritated, and I really wanted to scratch my face off after about an hour of wearing it. Oh yeah... none of us had looked at the contents label until I got home that afternoon... it was just a fluffy *soft* sweater up until that reading. Thankfully, wool is the only fiber that we've found (so far, knock on wood) that I have this problem with... -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32239 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:21:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4789FC17439; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:09:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g475a1R11941; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g475Z1R11720 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-209.244.177.94.dial1.newyork2.level3.net ([209.244.177.94] helo=earthlink.net) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 174xcq-0005Br-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 May 2002 22:35:01 -0700 Message-ID: <3CD76789.2010903@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Allergy to wool References: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> <013601c1f532$7d1ce4a0$8dd8f1c3@henk> <00d601c1f539$759dc760$bc614ed5@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 01:35:05 -0400 Status: RO You know... it is, in fact, possible to be allergic to wool. I am. The following comments are not blanket statements covering everyone, just my own experience. I can tell if a fabric is wool, even if other people are unsure, or even if they think it is something else, by touching it to my face. It prickles. Doesn't itch, really, but prickles. Other parts of my body, I get the same reaction, but it takes a little longer. Took nearly 5 minutes to realize my arm was touching a sheepskin on a friend's sofa. It began to hurt, though just a little. (I was lying down with a headache, and not paying attention to my surroundings.) If the edge of a garment touches my skin, I develop a rash. That itches... for the rest of the day. No, this is not the processing. I knew a woman who raised her own sheep, spun and wove the fabric herself. It prickled. I'm learning to spin, and a fleece followed me home, so I am spinning wool... it doesn't bother my hands, at least, not the length of time I'm handling it, (I don't spin long, partly because I am still learning, partly because I'm being careful about a wrist injury) but I can't loop the roving around my wrist, as I have seen some people do. And I scoured this myself! And it is nice and soft and fluffy. My experience, back when I had to wear suits, was that I could wear a wool blend over a slip. Couldn't wear pants at all, even lined ones - too close to the skin. Especially if I am warm, I can itch right through a lining. I've avoided wearing it at all, except for winter coats, for years. I'm just starting to make historic costume for my own wear, and I plan to try a good soft wool over a heavy substantial linen. Not a lightweight one, I'm afraid that might not be enough. It may take a while to work up the nerve... Right now, I'm sticking to linen. You know - an allergy is, by definition, an abnormal reaction to a substance. Someone can be allergic to anything. A cucumber nearly killed my mother. None of this means there is anything wrong with the wool (or the cucumber). It's just that I can't use it! I find I have this discussion someplace once or twice a year, because many people don't know about it, and some don't believe it. I agree that it is not common, here or in Europe, but it is real. Thank you! Anne Getting off the wool soapbox, and really wishing she could wear the lovely stuff Melanie Wilson wrote: >Hi Henk > >>Why is taht so in the USA? I have not heard of it overhere, Do they do >> >something with wool over there? Besides, wool is the outer layer, linen goes >against the skin. Nobody is allergic to linen, are they? > >Possibily the finishing in the US. It was very different both dye wise & >finish wise when I was working there 10 odd years ago. > >Alex, my son, if hyper sensative to powders & finishes (among other things) >It isn't a true allergy to wool, but manifests itself as such. So I am >careful about what wools I clothe him in. I suspect it is a combination of >such factors & a lack of use to natural fibres in many cases. > >Mel > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:22:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32243 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:22:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4789UC17536; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:09:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47490R18126; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4748aR18018 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:08:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.124.111]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g4748Xh29533 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 21:08:33 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) Message-ID: <3CD6F29F.15675.5A2D598@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <013601c1f532$7d1ce4a0$8dd8f1c3@henk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:16:15 -0700 Status: RO > > On not enough linen/ too much velvet... Materials on my current > gown are not authentic. Why? 1) Both wool and linen give me a > rash. Plenty of people have these allergies. > > Why is taht so in the USA? I have not heard of it overhere, Do they > do something with wool over there? Besides, wool is the outer layer, > linen goes against the skin. Nobody is allergic to linen, are they? You can be allergic to linen, although it's fairly uncommon (since proteinacious fibres such as wool and silk are far more allergenic). Most likely, it is an allergy to the dye or something else in the processing. In the US, it's also *very* common to fumigate the fabric storage buildings with formaldehyde. This will bind with the fibres in the fabric and are a form of potent allergen. (It's why *I* don't wear polyester. Formaldehyde-polyester makes me break out something fierce.) A formaldehyde attaching to a carbohydrate (of which bast fibres such as linen are non-digestible forms) are also fairly potent (but again, not nearly as bad as formaldehyde protein). > I wasn't commenting on wearing glasses ALLl the time if you need > them. Just take them off when your picture is taken or when you give > a press conference (and don't have to read something from a paper). > I other words: when you want to look like a historic person for the > outsiders take them off, when you're amongst yourselves, sure, leave > them on. There's more to playing a historic character than putting > on a 'costume'... It is considered a rudeness in the SCA not to turn a blind eye to things needed by the handicapped, and that includes glasses (as well as things like braces.) I used to have a pair of period glasses, but unfortunately I've become so nearsighted and astigmatic that I can only afford one pair at a time. I have problems just walking around wearing the old ones and I can tell I'm going to need a new regular pair soon. (If I have a second pair, it's to replace my poor sunglasses.) I can't wear contacts at all (because of allergies as well as the astigmatism). Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32247 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:22:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4789fC17584; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:09:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g475K1R07946; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g475J6R07692 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:19:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2253.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.253]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10496 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:17:31 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD76340.18DCC32F@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Specs (was level of SCA costuming) References: <3CD671D6.24475.7873BE@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 01:16:53 -0400 Status: RO Hi. Just a note, my wife carries the same glasses in her shop as the Townshend ones (we got them from them a while back) I also provide a set of magnifying lenses and a copy of the Trig Lane archaeology report with them for a little more... not trying to do business, just providing info. The frames are a composite plastic, made to look like horn (although the Trig Lane set was bone), and they come from Townshend with plastic lenses in them. Henk, I am interested in anything on glasses, especially the conjecture that myopic vision corrrection was being done in the 16th Cent.. Please sent a private note with any docs you may know of... Thanks, Mike T. PS As I understand it, wearing of glasses "constantly" came into use as methods for keeping them steady on the face got better, i.e. when proper fitting earpieces and aligned frames came into use. Historians place this generally at the end of the 17th-beginning of the 18th Cent., although steady improvement has been made since in many areas. Even then, constant use was primarily for reading, book-keeping and specialized use. It is an ongoing historical line, much in the same way that the Renaissance did not suddenly "occur" one day in the 1450s, different strides occuring at different periods. MJT _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:22:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32254 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:22:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4789hC17589; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:09:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g474e0R26964; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g474dXR26876 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:39:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2235.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.235]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08550 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:37:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD759FF.5A77946E@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1666 Stuf coat?? References: <3CD5DD71.9090401@oldwaylane.net> <3CD687B4.D7FAA5EE@post12.tele.dk> <3CD68A1B.8DE79FD4@post12.tele.dk> <3CD708E0.6090607@oldwaylane.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 00:37:20 -0400 Status: RO Hi. I am inclined to agree that the "stuf" in this case is the material of which it is made. It is probably not a buffcoat, though the value (at over 2 pounds) seems to exceed that of a coat made of common cloth. I will look further into Stuart Peachey's research on the subject. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32258 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:22:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4789aC17570; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:09:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g475e0R13003; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g475dcR12886 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 23:39:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GVQ7PZ00.T6A; Tue, 7 May 2002 01:39:35 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: , Subject: RE: [h-cost] check out this partlet... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:41:53 -0700 Status: RO I think if I had to lay this trim dopwn by hand, it would be puffier than if I did it with a machine. If I did it on airy China silk, it would be even puffier. However, there may be two layers here: one to anchor and one to puff. This is all highly conjectural on my part. Also, I've always assumed this was direct embroidery, but it could be passmentarie, I guess. I can't tell just from the way my monitor shows me this close-up, though. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Azelana@aol.com > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:34 AM > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] check out this partlet... > > > How is the fabric manipulation on this partlet done, do you > think? It looks > a little puffy for just intersecting pintuks... Any ideas? > > http://www.marquise.de/images/1500/1570_3d.jpg > > Incidentally, does the neckline look to you all more like woven trim > embellished with buttons of pearl and gems, or a hard > goldwork/bilament/"jewelled square"? I do note her necklace > matches the gown > neckline, which I suppose could support the bilament concept. > I'm happy the > gown has straps though, seeing as how I decided to do it on mine. > > --Gillian > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:26:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32301 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:26:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g478E1C17814; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g478E1R19920; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smithers.nildram.co.uk (smithers.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g478DGR19701 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:13:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200205070813.g478DGR19701@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 83241 invoked from network); 7 May 2002 08:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by smithers.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 7 May 2002 08:13:10 -0000 To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:13:10 BST Status: RO Maggie Secara wrote : > Spectacles (with Side pieces) on are period for Elizabethans (those who can > afford the,which would be anyone who can afford velvet) and probably 100 > years earlier. Yippee! Can you point me at pictures, descriptions, or anything? (Never mind how I afforded them: I probably robbed someone). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:31:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32344 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:31:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g478J1C18504; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g478J1R21613; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g478I5R21426 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:18:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVQ00K68F24RK@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 01:18:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020506174601.04d25d10@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 01:17:59 -0700 Status: RO > >I think it is just plain silly to win a crown and title in a tournament > with rattan sticks. I can't find the original of this post, but I think this activity is a little silly too. But then, I joined for the costumes, not for who is king next time. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:35:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32369 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:35:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g478N1C18620; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g478N0R22392; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g478M4R22199 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020507082203.22530.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 09:22:03 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] *Pokes head in* Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:22:03 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Hmm.... I got a message about some 1666 fabric, who was the one who wanted to know what 'stuf' is? *looks around and wonders if things have changed during the last year while being off the list* :-) Nicole - getting ready for the 1700 mantua ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:46:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32419 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:46:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g478Y1C19002; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g478Y0R24492; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g478XjR24436 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:33:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p63-nas1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.210.63] by smtp4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 1750PX-0002RA-00; Tue, 07 May 2002 20:33:28 +1200 Message-ID: <001901c1f5a1$d8e83180$3fd2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020506.174721.-379141.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen allergies Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCAcostuming) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:33:20 +1200 Status: RO However what I am > wondering about is: what is it about linen that causes an allergic > reaction. I've been doing historical costuming for almost 25 years and > I've never before heard of this allergy and since it could impact my > costuming, I'd like to know what's causing it.....and I like a good > mystery! So any ideas as to what part of linen could be causing the > problem? It doesn't matter that linen is pH neatral, again that has nothing to do with the process. Acids and basis can irritate the skin sure, but it's not the whole and wherefore of allergic reactions. As I said it could be anything... I'm allergic to flax seed oil, and it's a definate possitic reaction.. I thought I was going to spontaneously combust. I haven't worn enough linen close to my skin to see if I am that sensitive. Linen being processed from a type of flax. Usually an allergy will encompass a whole family of plants, as they usually comtain the same chemical make up to put it broadly (is I do not have my books to hand;) ) And it probably doesn't matter, as I may be/or have been sensitive any of the chemical present in that oil, which may be different from anyone else. Also allergies can appear and disappear as you come more into contact with an allergen. For me and buck wheat it was a few nights sleeping on a pillow before I really noticed how oozy and swollen my skin was;) lol! No I am not allergic to everything under the sun, just those two very specific things. And I may no longer be, the immune system is a very tempermental thing. Yet really sturdy too... there are people who do not produce a seemingly vital part (all I can remember from that lecture is type III so I'd have to look it up) yet function well. You can only really deal with an allergy on an individual basis. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:50:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32436 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:50:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g478c1C19174; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g478c0R25273; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smithers.nildram.co.uk (smithers.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g478boR25214 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:37:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200205070837.g478boR25214@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 97047 invoked from network); 7 May 2002 08:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by smithers.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 7 May 2002 08:36:31 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Specs (was level of SCA costuming) From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:36:31 BST Status: RO Leigh Tartaglio wrote : > Hi. In my research, as a person who has sight problems, I can tell you that the > person you spoke to > was probably biased. At least within the period covered by the SCA, glasses were > only there to > magnify, not correct vision. I had a nasty feeling that was the case. Concave lenses are harder to grind. And you don't wear magnifying lenses while walking around, so no need to have them permanently attached. > You can certainly have a pair of glasses made to > your prescription, and > have them fitted with a proper frame. They will not be proper for the period in > that they are a > modern prescription, and your optometrist will not be happy with the fit, as the > lens does not center > correctly when worn in the period manner, but you would certainly be one step > closer to "doing it right". That's the aim, really. I doubt if anyone's going to be checking what the curvature of the lenses is like, but I'd prefer to be as inoffensive as possible from longer range. (Falling over people, and failing to recognise them, will cause greater offence than a pair of not-quite-right specs, I think). > If you are a member of a reenactment group, you might > want to check with your group's standards. Very forgiving. I think I'm the only one to be even considering period specs. Still, what's allowed is decreed by the Monarch: Teddy? What will you allow? If the plastic frames are bright orange...? Seriously, we don't do public display. If we did, I'd be a lot more worried. This is just another of my general attempts to get my standards a little bit higher. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:55:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32456 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:55:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g478h1C19331; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g478h1R26250; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g478gmR26215 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:42:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVQ004PRG791J@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 01:42:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) In-reply-to: <200205070813.g478DGR19701@net.indra.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020507013841.05042410@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 01:42:33 -0700 Status: RO > > Spectacles (with Side pieces) on are period for Elizabethans (those who can > > afford the,which would be anyone who can afford velvet) and probably 100 > > years earlier. > >Yippee! >Can you point me at pictures, descriptions, or anything? Davenport's costume book has a portrait, painted in 1575 by 'El Greco', of Cardinal Don Fernando Nino de Guevara, and he is wearing glasses with side pieces that loop around his ears. It's on page 464, Ill. #1228. My uneducated guess is that if the Cardinal is sitting for his portrait wearing glasses, he wore them more often than just for reading. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 04:58:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32487 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:58:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g478j1C19392; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g478j1R26656; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g478iPR26526 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 02:44:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p63-nas1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.210.63] by smtp4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 1750a7-0003My-00; Tue, 07 May 2002 20:44:23 +1200 Message-ID: <000701c1f5a3$60f751e0$3fd2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020506.174721.-379141.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> <001901c1f5a1$d8e83180$3fd2adcb@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen allergies Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCAcostuming) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:44:18 +1200 Status: RO Oops, not in this post but in an earlier one I too was confusing myself with intolerances and allergies;). A lot of people say they have food allergies.. but it's *usually* not an actual immune response, which is the basis of an allergic reaction. Note the asterisks around usually.. as there are naturally going to be people who have an immune response... phew. Just to clarify things;). And I'd rather pull myself up over an error;) michaela Anyone want to me to drag out my texts;)? Actually I'm thinking of doing a little rereading anyway. > However what I am > > wondering about is: what is it about linen that causes an allergic > > reaction. I've been doing historical costuming for almost 25 years and > > I've never before heard of this allergy and since it could impact my > > costuming, I'd like to know what's causing it.....and I like a good > > mystery! So any ideas as to what part of linen could be causing the > > problem? > > It doesn't matter that linen is pH neatral, again that has nothing to do > with the process. Acids and basis can irritate the skin sure, but it's not > the whole and wherefore of allergic reactions. > > As I said it could be anything... I'm allergic to flax seed oil, and it's a > definate possitic reaction.. I thought I was going to spontaneously combust. > I haven't worn enough linen close to my skin to see if I am that sensitive. > Linen being processed from a type of flax. Usually an allergy will encompass > a whole family of plants, as they usually comtain the same chemical make up > to put it broadly (is I do not have my books to hand;) ) > > And it probably doesn't matter, as I may be/or have been sensitive any of > the chemical present in that oil, which may be different from anyone else. > > Also allergies can appear and disappear as you come more into contact with > an allergen. For me and buck wheat it was a few nights sleeping on a pillow > before I really noticed how oozy and swollen my skin was;) > > lol! No I am not allergic to everything under the sun, just those two very > specific things. And I may no longer be, the immune system is a very > tempermental thing. Yet really sturdy too... there are people who do not > produce a seemingly vital part (all I can remember from that lecture is type > III so I'd have to look it up) yet function well. > > You can only really deal with an allergy on an individual basis. > > michaela > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 05:15:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA32594 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 05:15:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47931C19896; Tue, 7 May 2002 03:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47931R00480; Tue, 7 May 2002 03:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.slumberland.org (mx.slumberland.org [216.162.201.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47928R00330 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 03:02:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.162.201.13] (HELO [192.168.1.24]) by mx.slumberland.org (Stalker SMTP Server 1.8b9d11) with ESMTP id S.0000910352 for ; Tue, 07 May 2002 01:16:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: litlnemo@mx.slumberland.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3CD76B7A.C1FAD78E@dandy.net> References: <10.1e68bc86.2a0816f2@aol.com> <3CD76B7A.C1FAD78E@dandy.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Wendi Dunlap-Simpson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Washing wool in front-loading washers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 01:57:23 -0700 Status: RO At 1:51 AM -0400 5/7/02, leigh tartaglio wrote: >I >said nothing, but thanked her, and left her to her sale. I can't see how a >horizontal rotary action is in any way dissimilar to a vertical one in any >fundamental way. The film of women fulling wool in the Orkneys that >I have seen >shows them agitating the wool vertically in the same way that a front loader >would, only without the pushing action. Perhaps this is the secret? Mike T. Hello, I have one of the Neptune machines, and when it is in Hand Wash mode, it is not rotating the clothing around at all -- just gently rocking side to side. It is a much gentler motion than you might be picturing. In the other modes it does rotate more. (I suppose it must rotate fully when in spin cycle, but I'm not sure -- I haven't stayed around to watch whether it spins normally when in Hand Wash.) In my experience with this machine, I have washed (in Hand Wash mode) many items that were labeled "hand wash only" or "dry clean only" and haven't ruined anything yet, though your mileage may vary. Even wool -- no problem. I did use it to full some wool intentionally, but I did not use the Hand Wash setting, and I found that it was difficult to get the wool to full! It took several attempts to get it to fuzz up -- I'm not sure why. I did have one knit jersey shirt (not for costuming purposes) that pilled on first wash, but I'm pretty sure that it was cheap, horrible fabric and not the fault of the machine, since much more delicate fabric has been fine. (The fabric in question is very soft and nice in a way... but changed color completely when washed and pilled like crazy. This is what I get for buying $1/yard fabric at Jo-Ann.) I would definitely recommend the Neptune machine. It's great, and in our city, you get a substantial rebate ($100 or $150, if I recall correctly) from the city for buying one, because they save so much water. The machine only uses as much water as a given load needs, so you can wash a very small load and not feel guilty about it. :) -- -- Wendi *-----------------------+---------------------------------------+-------* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear / / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"-----* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 05:27:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA32699 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 05:27:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g479F3C20250; Tue, 7 May 2002 03:15:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g479F2R17610; Tue, 7 May 2002 03:15:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smithers.nildram.co.uk (smithers.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g479EMR15603 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 03:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200205070914.g479EMR15603@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 17097 invoked from network); 7 May 2002 09:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by smithers.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 7 May 2002 09:09:46 -0000 To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] more specs From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:09:46 BST Status: RO I tried to reply to this, and my mailer crashed :( trying again! Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote : > Davenport's costume book has a portrait, painted in 1575 by 'El Greco', of > Cardinal Don Fernando Nino de Guevara, and he is wearing glasses with side > pieces that loop around his ears. It's on page 464, Ill. #1228. My > uneducated guess is that if the Cardinal is sitting for his portrait > wearing glasses, he wore them more often than just for reading. This looks like an on-line version of the same portrait? http://www.saskia.com/Query/Selected_Work.asp?WorkID=3442 and yes, those look like fairly modern specs to me! Comments from experts? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 05:55:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00536 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 05:55:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g479h1C20983; Tue, 7 May 2002 03:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g479h0R06768; Tue, 7 May 2002 03:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g479gxR06753 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 03:42:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVQ004SDIZL29@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 02:42:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] more specs In-reply-to: <200205070914.g479EMR15603@net.indra.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020507022102.04fca760@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 02:21:54 -0700 Status: RO > > Davenport's costume book has a portrait, painted in 1575 by 'El Greco', of > > Cardinal Don Fernando Nino de Guevara, and he is wearing glasses with side > > pieces that loop around his ears. It's on page 464, Ill. #1228. My > > uneducated guess is that if the Cardinal is sitting for his portrait > > wearing glasses, he wore them more often than just for reading. > >This looks like an on-line version of the same portrait? > >http://www.saskia.com/Query/Selected_Work.asp?WorkID=3442 > >and yes, those look like fairly modern specs to me! > >Comments from experts? That's the one. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 06:23:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00824 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:23:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47AB1C21733; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47AB0R12331; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (ip252.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47AAPR12197 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:10:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F7910F9C9 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 386333A8019 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013e01c1f5ae$98c92c00$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <3CD76849.9B2649AD@dandy.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 06:04:37 -0400 Status: RO I actually own a costuming pattern (meant to be RevWar era) from 1976. If anyone wants to compare the level of costuming between then and now, this pattern would be a great starting place! Just a shame, though, that we can't get the major companies to get rid of that damned zipper. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- . I remember back to 1976, and how > poorly my clothing for American RevWar was researched, compared to what > I see now. I wonder how much the interest in the period spawned the > research that is out there now? I doubt that anyone would have much > cared if not for a few dedicated individuals who wanted to search out > the details. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 06:51:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01106 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:51:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Ad1C22394; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Ad0R17509; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47AcoR17463 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 04:38:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-118-27.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.118.27]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AGA23536; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:38:49 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <006501c1f5b4$5169ef60$1b764ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Allergy to wool MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:56:54 +0100 Status: RO >You know... it is, in fact, possible to be allergic to wool. I am Did I say it wasn't possible ? No I didn't, I said I suspected in many cases other factors were involved. Fact of the matter is human beings wore wool for centuries, and it was better than being cold. Allergies are on the increase these days & the US seems to bne worse than other places, as Henk observed. My OPINION is that we are in capable of toleration many things because as soon as we have the slightest discomfort we reject it's use. ie we are a bunch of softies. But as I capitilized that is my opinion, all be it borne out my my experiance. Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 07:57:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01426 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:57:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Bj3C24385; Tue, 7 May 2002 05:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Bj2R00667; Tue, 7 May 2002 05:45:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47BinR00619 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 05:44:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHG3EYAVSW0040JH@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:47:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHG3EIU2CO002MJI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:46:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 07 May 2002 12:42:10 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 07 May 2002 12:41:59 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.66) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:41:56 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] check out this partlet... In-reply-to: <200205061801.g46I1gR06071@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <161E74630FC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:41:55 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > How is the fabric manipulation on this partlet done, do you think? It > looks a little puffy for just intersecting pintuks... Any ideas? > > http://www.marquise.de/images/1500/1570_3d.jpg To me, it looks like a flat partlet in a shirtweight(ish) fabric overlayed with a diamond -patterned mesh of pearl with enamelled buttonsd at the intersections (I have a couple of handfuls of buttons that look just like those which I picked up cheap from a clearance-sale at a local department stal last summer!) with a slash each diamond with a lighter-fabric puffed through from behind. > Incidentally, does the neckline look to you all more like woven trim > embellished with buttons of pearl and gems, or a hard > goldwork/bilament/"jewelled square"? Both the neckline on the gown and on the partlet look like a woven trim embellished with buttons to me. > I do note her necklace matches the gown neckline, which I suppose > could support the bilament concept. To me it looks like both are billaments (jeweles decorating bands of cloth/trim that could be unpicked and sewn to other garments as required) rather than one being a billament and the other ebign a necklace.... > I'm happy the gown has straps > though, seeing as how I decided to do it on mine. Had you thought of "faking" the narrow straps by making them wider (for stability) and sewing the shoulder-roll or sleeve-head over the top so that it covers the outer portion of the strap making it look like a narrower strap? I've heard of people doing this but never tried it myself. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 08:08:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01485 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:08:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Bu1C24676; Tue, 7 May 2002 05:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Bu0R02814; Tue, 7 May 2002 05:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47BtAR02634 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 05:55:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHG3SNCGIO004YZP@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:58:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHG3SMSPFU002MJI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:58:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 07 May 2002 12:53:32 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 07 May 2002 12:52:53 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.66) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:52:49 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dye in front-loaders (WAS: Washing wool in front-loading washers) In-reply-to: <200205061801.g46I1gR06071@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <16215D019E7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:52:49 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I can't answer that, but let me drop some advice about dye. I do not > suggest dying fabric in your new washer. Why? You can't prefill the > washer with water to mix the dye before inserting the wet fabric. > (Once it's full of water, you can't open the door.) This'll seem > obvious to some of you, but don't laugh! I've seen people try to just > add liquid dye into the soap tray in side-loading washers before! The > result is a splotchy mess. If you can get hold of Dylon Machine dye, however, it's perfect as its formulated specially for use in front-loading washing machines. I use it allthe time and have been known to rave on-list about it (anyone who checks the archives is bound to turn up some of my raves about it over the years) Teddy (wjo is wearing shorts and t-shirt to work today that were machine dyed last week in a front loader using Dylon Machine - not to mention the hose, paltock, sleeves and houpellande that he wore over the weekend, all of which look new and none of which are the same colours they were last summer, or the summer before) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 08:18:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01512 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:18:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47C61C25094; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47C60R05007; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47C5GR04840 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHG4664DDS00ALJJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 13:08:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHG46423IK002IMI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 13:08:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 07 May 2002 13:03:38 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 07 May 2002 13:03:00 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.66) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 13:02:51 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] check out this partlet... In-reply-to: <200205061919.g46JJCR22618@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <16240FC4F2C@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:02:51 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I think it may be two layers- first one with holes slashed, second > puffed through. If you look closely, there appears to be a line of > fabric under the beads that would be the structure, and the puffs are > decorative. What Lyn said! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 08:19:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01519 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:19:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47C71C25126; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47C70R05247; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47C6UR05115 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:06:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-123-45.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.123.45]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AGA32304; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:06:02 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <018801c1f5c0$800c4be0$1b764ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dye in front-loaders (WAS: Washing wool in front-loadingwashers) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:12:45 +0100 Status: RO >> (Once it's full of water, you can't open the door.) This'll seem > obvious to some of you, but don't laugh! Generally you can, but even if you can't, simply mix the dye in with water & tip into the machine before you load it Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 08:54:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01790 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:54:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Cg3C26425; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Cg1R13563; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g47Cf5D13355 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 7 May 2002 06:41:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New topic: Polish costuming Message-ID: <20020507064105.M28888@net.indra.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 06:41:05 -0600 Status: RO On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 02:44:18PM -0700, Colleen McDonald wrote: > In addition to the 14th century Italian stuff that I've been >researching, I've also been looking into sources for clothes during >the same period in Poland. Is this for the SCA? If so, you might enjoy the SCA's Slavic Interest Group mailing list, sig@yahoogroups.com It's aimed at the SCA crowd, but you don't have to be SCA to belong. We also have extensive webpages, based off http://slavic.freeservers.com Specifically, you'd probably like the Polish pages: http://www.mv.com/ipusers/heart/POLISHPAGE.HTM ...eliz (SCA: Yelizaveta Medvedeva) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 09:18:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01969 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:18:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47D5NC27714; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:05:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47D5MR20059; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47D4jR19869 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:04:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.249.181.68] (pool181-68.patriot.net [209.249.181.68]) (authenticated) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47D4hW25574 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:04:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <16215D019E7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <16215D019E7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dye in front-loaders Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:04:12 -0400 Status: RO Teddy and other front-loader owners, Please tell me the mechanics of dyeing in a front loader! I don't understand how it would work. As the person wrote below, you can't add the dye, then open the door to add the fabric. Or can you? Is the water level below the door opening? Is there something different about Dylon - maybe it's slow to act so it's not blotchy? I'm so confused! I'm also very interested because I'm currently washer-free (just got a house sans washer & dryer) and shopping. Thank you! > > I can't answer that, but let me drop some advice about dye. I do not >> suggest dying fabric in your new washer. Why? You can't prefill the >> washer with water to mix the dye before inserting the wet fabric. >> (Once it's full of water, you can't open the door.) This'll seem >> obvious to some of you, but don't laugh! I've seen people try to just >> add liquid dye into the soap tray in side-loading washers before! The >> result is a splotchy mess. > >If you can get hold of Dylon Machine dye, however, it's perfect as >its formulated specially for use in front-loading washing machines. >I use it allthe time and have been known to rave on-list about it >(anyone who checks the archives is bound to turn up some of my raves >about it over the years) > >Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 09:18:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01974 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:18:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47D51C27700; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47D50R19946; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47D4VR19823 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 66-44-2-80.s588.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.2.80] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 1754dq-0007KB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 09:04:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD7D170.8050302@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010801 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] *Pokes head in* References: <20020507082203.22530.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:06:56 -0400 Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > Hmm.... I got a message about some 1666 fabric, who was the one who wanted to > know what 'stuf' is? Hello, That was me. I'm trying to help my cousin decipher a will from 1666. It mentions a couple of times about a 'stuf' coat, and since my cousin never heard of it she asked me the costumer! I went: ah..... let me check with the experts! I'm just glad we got the letters right - it took a few times before I realized they were using an upright 's'. So the stuf coat is a wool coat. The fact that it appraised at over 2 pounds would make it either heavy wool or nice wool?? -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 09:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02101 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:36:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47DO1C28708; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47DO0R25535; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.slumberland.org (mx.slumberland.org [216.162.201.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47DN9R25274 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:23:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.162.201.13] (HELO [192.168.1.24]) by mx.slumberland.org (Stalker SMTP Server 1.8b9d11) with ESMTP id S.0000910480; Tue, 07 May 2002 05:37:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: litlnemo@mx.slumberland.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <16215D019E7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Wendi Dunlap-Simpson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dye in front-loaders Cc: Carol Kocian Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 06:18:20 -0700 Status: RO At 9:04 AM -0400 5/7/02, Carol Kocian wrote: > Please tell me the mechanics of dyeing in a front loader! I >don't understand how it would work. As the person wrote below, you >can't add the dye, then open the door to add the fabric. Or can >you? Is the water level below the door opening? Is there something >different about Dylon - maybe it's slow to act so it's not blotchy? >I'm so confused! I want to know this, too. I figured that I would be unable to dye with my machine, so I dyed in one of those big pots you cook canning jars in, last time. It really was too small for the cloth I was dying, but I was lucky and it worked out anyway. -- -- Wendi *-----------------------+---------------------------------------+-------* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear / / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"-----* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 09:47:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02147 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:47:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47DZ1C29258; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47DZ1R28750; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47DYlR28679 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:34:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-102-168.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.102.168]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AGA38491; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:34:47 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <02da01c1f5cc$e61d54e0$1b764ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dye in front-loaders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:41:31 +0100 Status: RO >Please tell me the mechanics of dyeing in a front loader! I don't understand how it would work. As the person wrote below, you can't add the dye, then open the door to add the fabric. Or can you? Yes the switch is generally on a timer not a water level indicator, you stop the m/c & wait 5 mins. But it is easier to premix dye with water in a jug & pour in prior to loading & cycle commencment >Is the water level below the door opening? Yes > Is there something different about Dylon - maybe it's slow to act so it's not blotchy? I'm so confused! No it is a fairly old type of dye Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 10:15:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02268 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:15:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47E35C01169; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:03:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47E31R08286; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47E2JR08038 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:02:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHG89CCDTS001IMB@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:05:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHG89C3LDI003GFD@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:05:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 07 May 2002 15:00:44 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 07 May 2002 14:59:59 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.66) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 14:59:54 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Specs (was level of SCA costuming) In-reply-to: <200205071306.g47D65R20267@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <164343275BE@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 14:59:54 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > If you are a member of a reenactment group, you might > > want to check with your group's standards. > > Very forgiving. I think I'm the only one to be even considering > period specs. Still, what's allowed is decreed by the Monarch: > Teddy? What will you allow? Well, during the *previous* Great Authenticity Debate we had (early 1990's ish) it was another of those things that was decided to be up to the individual. I'm lucky enough to be able to wear contact lenses but I'm not going to make af uss over people wearing their glasses if contact lenses aren't an option (for whatever reason) - especially not if they're running around the kitchen producing sumptuous feasts to serve to me... And I'm not about to bog down my Courts, or any other aspect of in- persona play, with raising the matter during an event even if I *had* a problem with it (which I don't) > If the plastic frames are bright orange...? In that case I'd just want to know where they got them and how much they cost! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 10:15:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02272 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:15:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47E3IC01203; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47E3IR08404; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smithers.nildram.co.uk (smithers.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47E2tR08244 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200205071402.g47E2tR08244@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 88037 invoked from network); 7 May 2002 14:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by smithers.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 7 May 2002 14:01:12 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dye in front-loaders From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:01:12 BST Status: RO The Dylon website includes the instructions, so let me cut&paste: --------------------------------------- Dylon Machine Dye Instructions · For use in automatic front loading machines only. · Suitable fabrics: cotton, linen, viscose and polyester/cotton mixes. Lighter shades on polyester mixes because pure synthetics DO NOT pick up dye. · One pack will dye up to 500g / 1 lb dry weight fabric. Dyeing larger amounts (up to 1250g) will give a lighter colour. You will need: · 500g / 1lb of salt (regardless the number of packs used) · Rubber gloves Instructions: 1. Weigh dry fabric. Wash fabric thoroughly even if new to remove stains or dressings which may not be visible to the eye. Leave damp. 2. Wearing rubber gloves, empty dye into dry drum (not soap dispenser or dispenser ball). 3. Add 500g/1lb of salt, covering area where dye was added. Put in damp unfolded fabric. 4. Run 60°C colourfast cotton/ fast coloureds cycle without pre-wash. 5. When programme is finished, add wash powder and run through complete hottest programme for the garment, 95°C if possible. If this is less than 95°C, remove garment when cycle is complete and run a 95°C programme with detergent to ensure all dye is removed from machine. 6. Dry fabric away from direct heat and sunlight. If final wash-off cycle was below 95°C, wash separately for first couple of washes to remove any excess dye. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 10:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02381 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:36:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47EM1C02894; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47EM1R15886; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47ELKR15622 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:21:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21016.; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:30:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:21:18 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Specs (was level of SCA costuming) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g47ELKR15622 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:21:08 +0100 Status: RO I agree with Maggi Ros that the sensible thing to do for what were obviously posed portraits would have been to take the specs off for a few moments! I'm VERY short-sighted but fortunate enough to be able to wear contact lenses successfully (for 25 years now). Some people I know who do living history in close contact with the public wear period frames with loops round the ears like Cardinal de Guevara's, or at least wear small metal-rimmed ones that don't look obviously modern. As I'm beginning to need reading glasses for music, I'm thinking about investing in frames with ear loops. I can't give chapter and verse, but I have the impression from general reading that spectacles in the 16th-17th centuries were worn mainly for reading rather than to correct short sight. As I can only see clearly a few inches from my nose, life must have been very difficult for people like me. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 10:40:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02409 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:40:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47EQ1C03234; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47EQ1R17684; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47EP4R17239 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHG917TFG00006XR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:27:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHG90NHUTY00TIZV@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:27:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 07 May 2002 15:22:47 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 07 May 2002 15:22:44 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.66) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:22:43 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dye in front-loaders In-reply-to: <200205071306.g47D65R20267@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <16495434C24@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:22:43 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Teddy and other front-loader owners, > > Please tell me the mechanics of dyeing in a front loader! I > don't understand how it would work. As the person wrote below, > you can't add the dye, then open the door to add the fabric. Or > can you? Is the water level below the door opening? Is there > something different about Dylon - maybe it's slow to act so it's > not blotchy? I'm so confused! Dylon Machine dye is a powder which you place into the bottom of the dry drum of the empty washing machine so that it all falls through the holes in the drum (the instructions say something like tap the drum until all the dye falls through the holes, I find it easier to use the empty box the dye was in to push the dye around until it falls through) then you add a pound of salt over the area where you put the dye (same thing, push it around until it drops through the holes). Next put in the damp fabric or garment and close the machine. Set it to the regular wash cycle (without pre-wash) and the 60 degree temperature.. some machine's don't have seperate temperature selectors but the type of wash-cylce dictates the heat setting and the instruction book should tell you which ones they are) Set the machine going and leave it for a couple of hours to carry out the whole wash cycle including rinses and spinning. When it's finished, add your usual soap and fabric conditioners, reset the machine to run the wash-cycle again and whack the temperature up to 90 or 95 degrees (or whatever the hottest wash it will do is). This washes out the excess dye, cleans the machine completely (I've done white washloads immediately after dye batches in just about every colour they sell with ill effects tot he whites) and sets the dye so it's colourfast. If your machine doesn't go up that high in temperature or the fabric can't take a really hot wash, do it at the regular 60 degree wash, but wash it seperately for the next few washes as there may be a bit of colour-bleed. Hope this helps I'm also very interested because I'm currently washer-free > (just got a house sans washer & dryer) and shopping. > > Thank you! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 10:52:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02489 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:52:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Ee2C04680; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Ee0R24416; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47EdvR24375 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:39:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 May 2002 07:39:52 -0700 Received: from 66.76.75.83 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 14:39:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.76.75.83] From: "Jennifer Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 14:39:52.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C1C8780:01C1F5D5] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 14:39:52 +0000 Status: RO Kayta was gracious enough to let me post the picture of her last renfaire outfit on my site as a "Featured Attyre" costume-of-the-week, so now you can all check it out! http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/feature/feature.html Didn't she do a fabulous job?!?!? Thanks Kayta! -jen http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/ >I'm not one of that majority, and never have been.  But, as I said, you can >decide how you like my next SCA >outfit when you see it.  Or I can show you >my last Ren. Fair outfit.  Shall I send it directly to you, as an > >attachment?  Anyone else want to see it too, so you'd know what Henk >would be reacting to? >Kayta   //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ ((((   7 ))) (((  <> ))))     )   (((((( /----\   /---\)) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 11:20:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06890 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:20:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47F81C07454; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47F80R09037; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47F7TR08731 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:07:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OrFqsjV8/E2Fxc8Rl9vicwU="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GZ8EH95J; Tue, 07 May 2002 11:06:21 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (and allergies) Message-ID: <20020507.080534.-188145.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,9-14 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 07:45:25 +0000 Status: RO With some folks with wool allergies, it really is the wool, not the lanolin or the chemical treatments of the wool. Believe me, I've tested the theory (frequently by accident). Someone posted that allergies are some sort of immune reaction. I was never allergic to wool until I came down with some particulary vile strain of the flu about 15 years ago, and combined with the rheumatoid arthritis I've had for nearly 20 years, maybe that was enough to tip me over the edge. Fortunately, for me it's a skin contact thing (like an acid burn) and easy to remedy. Let that be a warning: get your flu shots! :) Arlys ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 11:44:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07115 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:44:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47FW1C10112; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47FW0R22799; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns.misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47FVcR22546 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA01069 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 08:47:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3CD7F4AB.24AF6881@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hawaiian textiles museums References: <3CD77551.700636EC@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 08:37:18 -0700 Status: RO To Charlene- What a great time to go, just before the hordes arrive!!! I remember visiting these two places quite by accident and was glad to see they have a web presence now. It's good for the Hawaiian peoples to have a voice in the 21st century!! Anyway, have fun with these sites and, on Oahu, try to get to the north shore...totally different from Honolulu, etal. Have a fabulous time, Theresa Eacker (who is suppressing a sudden envious desire to bolt!!) http://www.lava.net/~mhm/quilt.htm (Mission Houses Museum, I remember being overwhelmed with the colors and patterns!) http://www.bishopmuseum.org/exhibits/pastExhibits/treasures/html/explore.html (Bishop Museum, also a lovely collection,scroll down a bit for two examples) http://gohawaii.about.com/cs/quilts/ (kinda of a cool cross section of related themes) Charlene Charette wrote: > > My husband and I are going to Hawaii this month (Oahu & Maui). I've > flipped through the guide book and haven't found any mention of museums > on either island that have textile exhibits. I'd be especially > interested in Hawaiian quilting. Anyone have any pointers? > > Thanks, > --Charlene _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 12:18:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07407 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:18:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47G62C14262; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47G61R15169; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12801.mail.yahoo.com (web12801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47G5IR14658 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:05:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020507160517.33090.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.18.199.140] by web12801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 09:05:17 PDT From: Truly Biggs To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020507.080534.-188145.0.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] totally different topic Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I am sure that this question has been discussed before on this list - but as I am new.....here goes. When making a sixteenth century upper-class gown, I have so far made a separate bodice and skirt - then hand stitched the waistband of the skirt inside the bodice so that I never have to worry about "Chemise Eruption" at the waist when I raise my arms. I was confronted by a lady once who informed me that "waistbands aren't period" and she cited the Janet Arnold Patterns of Fashion book as proof. (Not the text - the fact that none of the gowns in the bood have a waistband pattern shown) I looked at this, and though there are indeed not waistband patterns for any skirts in this book (which the author herself states is not intended to be a complete survey of sixteenth century costume - but merely a detailed description of some marvelous extant garments) I do not feel that this means that waistbands were "never" used. I DO feel that it means that sometimes the skirts Were sewn directly to the bodices - and I wanted to collect opinions on this subject. Some of the skirts are knife-pleated in - are these sewn to the bottom of the bodice like a prom dress? I have been hesitant (for obvious reasons) to try this. Are the cartridge pleats directly attached to the bottom 1/2" - 1/4" of the bodice? Does this not take up 1/2" to 1/4" of visual room on the length of the bodice - or is it just file? A very talented friend of mine tried this - and her lovely wool dress stretched quite a bit at the waistline from the weight of the skirt. The solution I proposed to her was to sew the pleats all the way through the bodice an make sure there was a non-stretchish stay tape or petersham/grosgrain sort of thing inside. Then I realized that that is what I use for my waistbands anyway - so why go from what is simplest and already works. I would love your findings on this topic. Truly Biggs __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 13:02:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07877 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:02:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Gn2C19554; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Gn0R13809; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f251.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.76]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Gm2R13261 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:47:57 -0700 Received: from 24.200.48.35 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 16:47:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT--Amazon is about to spam you Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 16:47:57.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0998280:01C1F5E6] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 16:47:56 +0000 Status: RO I know this is off topic but I need help: I could NEVER find that "Marketing Preferences" page in Yahoo! And as I already received a lot of spam anyway, I can't tell if I'm getting Yahoo spam or not... I'm supposed to click on Account Info, that asks for password then sends me to a page titled Review My Account Information, and on this page I'm supposed to have a "Marketing Preferences" link, right? The only thing I see in there that looks even remotely like that is a title "Special Offers: ", set to "Do not send me any offers". Would it have anything to do about the fact that my yahoo id is associated with a Yahoo Mail address? And that in my mail settings I wrote not to get any offers? I'm very confused... Thanks... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 13:06:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07923 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:06:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Gs0C20260; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Gs0R17195; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47GrRR16801 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g47GtLl23052 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:55:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200205071655.g47GtLl23052@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] *Pokes head in* In-Reply-To: <20020507082203.22530.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> "from N Kipar at May 7, 2002 09:22:03 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Nicole! what's changed is we've missed you! Good to see you around :) .heather. > Hmm.... I got a message about some 1666 fabric, who was the one who wanted to > know what 'stuf' is? > > *looks around and wonders if things have changed during the last year while > being off the list* > > :-) > > Nicole - getting ready for the 1700 mantua > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 13:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08010 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:12:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Gx1C20833; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Gx1R20365; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f40.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47GwDR19888 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:58:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 May 2002 09:58:08 -0700 Received: from 24.200.48.35 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 16:58:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2002 16:58:08.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CF32160:01C1F5E8] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 16:58:08 +0000 Status: RO You have to remember that the SCA lets members choose what exactly they want to do. Some people are in for cooking, or fighting, or costuming, or embroidery, or archery, or any other of a hundred activities. Some people think it's great to fight for crown and become king but don't give a damn about what they're wearing, and some people just don't care about royalty and such and are really there for costuming... This is the reason I joined the SCA - because I can choose my level of involvement and what I want to focus on. And I think this discussion about level of SCA costuming is pointless, since there is nothing in the rules of the Society saying that we need to be accurate in what we wear. It's great that some people decided to research clothing and put a lot of effort into creating accurate costumes. I love costuming, it's my main interest, but it's not everyone's interest, and hopefully we can learn from one another. And, well... it's not called Society for *Creative Anachronism* for nothing :-) >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples >Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 01:17:59 -0700 > > >> >I think it is just plain silly to win a crown and title in a tournament >>with rattan sticks. > > >I can't find the original of this post, but I think this activity is a >little silly too. 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--part1_aa.b29e190.2a0965af_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 13:49:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08508 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:49:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47HabC25883; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:36:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47HG0R01551; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47HFSR01247 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:15:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from elmo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.245] helo=elmo.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1758Yi-0007WS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 10:15:28 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by elmo.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g47HFRE21095 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:15:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Goodman To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] OT--Amazon is about to spam you Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 156.41.168.21 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: lithiate@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:15:27 -0700 Status: RO Hey Audrey, This is how I did it: 1. Went to http://www.amazon.com 2. Clicked on "Your Account" button on the top right hand part of the page. 3. Scrolled down to the box marked "Account Settings" 4. Clicked on the link "Update your communication preferences" 5. This takes you directly to a page with all these little checked boxes next to "special offer" type email alert preferences. Uncheck them all if you don't want anything from Amazon to be sent to you if it doesn't pertain to an order. NOTE: After the slew of checked boxes there are a few more options that you should carefully read before checking/unchecking them. These are things like email regarding your purchases and tracking info. Hope this helps! Sarah Lorraine ******** On Tue, 07 May 2002 16:47:56 +0000 Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: I know this is off topic but I need help: I could NEVER find that "Marketing Preferences" page in Yahoo! And as I already received a lot of spam anyway, I can't tell if I'm getting Yahoo spam or not... I'm supposed to click on Account Info, that asks for password then sends me to a page titled Review My Account Information, and on this page I'm supposed to have a "Marketing Preferences" link, right? The only thing I see in there that looks even remotely like that is a title "Special Offers: ", set to "Do not send me any offers". Would it have anything to do about the fact that my yahoo id is associated with a Yahoo Mail address? And that in my mail settings I wrote not to get any offers? I'm very confused... Thanks... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 14:04:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08902 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:04:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Hq1C28198; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Hq0R24620; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Hp5R24124 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:51:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.124.124]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g47Hp1t03593 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 10:51:02 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Skirt-bodice attachements, was: Re: [h-cost] totally different topic Message-ID: <3CD7B360.9140.893E25E@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020507160517.33090.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020507.080534.-188145.0.Cley@juno.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:58:40 -0700 Status: RO > When making a sixteenth century upper-class gown, I have so far made a > separate bodice and skirt - then hand stitched the waistband of the > skirt inside the bodice so that I never have to worry about "Chemise > Eruption" at the waist when I raise my arms. I was confronted by a > lady once who informed me that "waistbands aren't period" and she > cited the Janet Arnold Patterns of Fashion book as proof. (Not the > text - the fact that none of the gowns in the bood have a waistband > pattern shown) HA! Just because they didn't have it in one book doesn't mean that it didn't exist. However, even in the period pattern manuscripts, you don't often find waistbands shown, although they were used for breeches. That's because they were cut from cabbage. Besides, who needs a pattern for something like a waistband if they are an experienced sewer? You just cut it the width and length you need. It doesn't even have to be out of the same fabric.You can look at the men's breeches as a skirt parallel. Burguen has breeches patterns, but you don't seen waistbands or leg bands on the pattern. However, the extant trunkhose we do have certainly have both waistbands and legbands, especially since they were also used as lacing strips. (See JA page 30.) > I looked at this, and though there are indeed not waistband patterns > for any skirts in this book (which the author herself states is not > intended to be a complete survey of sixteenth century costume - but > merely a detailed description of some marvelous extant garments) I do > not feel that this means that waistbands were "never" used. JA also doesn't have any extant dresses which had separate skirt and bodice. It doesn't mean they didn't exist (as Elizabeth had to use something with the Phoenix doublet she does show) and you can point to the inventories where they are listed as examples. JA does show a forepart, but the top has raw edges so we don't know how it was finished. (See page 40.) > I DO feel that it means that sometimes the skirts Were sewn directly > to the bodices - and I wanted to collect opinions on this subject. > Some of the skirts are knife-pleated in - are these sewn to the bottom > of the bodice like a prom dress? I have been hesitant (for obvious > reasons) to try this. Are the cartridge pleats directly attached to > the bottom 1/2" - 1/4" of the bodice? Does this not take up 1/2" to > 1/4" of visual room on the length of the bodice - or is it just file? I don't know what you mean by "file" (unless you are talking about the fabric spelled "faille" but pronounced "file" which can be a bear to work with.) However, the skirts can be knife pleated, box pleated or cartridge pleated directly onto the bodice. The cartridge pleats can be put directly to the bottom of the bodice or up a bit from the bottom (in which case it will take up some visual room, but sometimes you want that to give the appearance of a smaller waist.) Whatever you attach it to should have something inside to stabilize it so that it doesn't stretch (because you are certainly right that wool will stretch out.) In period they lined their garments with linen (and sometimes it was a pretty cheap looking stuff more like our burlap.) >From what I've read of period tailoring, the various pieces (skirt, sleeves, bodice...) were each constructed then were combined into one. So, rather than having the sleeves set in like we do by sewing them into the bodice, then putting the lining in, the sleeves would be fully finished (including lining) as would the bodice, then they would sew them together. The skirt would probably be the same way. (JA has several examples of this method of construction.) (I've put on some very heavy sleeves onto some of my bodices and coats this way and have not had a problem.) As to separate skirts, it's not clear from extant items how they were constructed. It is certainly an educated guess (based on the trunkhose example I used previously) that they were pleated (by whatever means) onto a waistband. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 14:11:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09066 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:11:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Hx1C28983; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Hx0R28495; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepB.post.tele.dk (fepB.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.145]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Hw2R27967 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.244]) by fepB.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020507175800.RZZL19716.fepB.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:58:00 +0200 Message-ID: <3CD815BC.8B6070C8@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] wedding pictures Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 19:58:20 +0200 Status: RO Dear Deredere! What a lovely weddingdress, what a lovely feast! I enjoyed the pictures wery much. Thanks for sharing them with us..... Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 14:20:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09195 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:20:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47I81C00249; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47I81R03951; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (relay03.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47I7GR03539 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:07:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 11218 invoked from network); 7 May 2002 18:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computer) ([64.208.177.44]) (envelope-sender ) by relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 May 2002 18:07:00 -0000 Message-ID: <00d101c1f5f1$f09b0820$2cb1d040@computer> From: "Lyn Greaves- Thorny Rose" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] check out this partlet... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C1F5D0.68BFFDA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:06:40 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C1F5D0.68BFFDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/index1.html If this link doesn't work- go to the home page and search for the = Francois Clouet's portrait of Elisabeth of Austria, Queen of France. Lyn Greaves Lady Rosamund d'Alwareton, CM, OTerp, OSalamander Remember: Amateurs built the ark, but professionals built the Titanic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LalahTT@aol.com=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] check out this partlet... Would you be so kind as to send a site for viewing the entire = garment? The partlett is gorgeous and I would love to see the whole = gown. Thanks=20 Lalah=20 Never Give up, Never Surrender,=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at=20 http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C1F5D0.68BFFDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/= index1.html
 
If this link doesn't work- go to the home page and = search for=20 the Francois Clouet's portrait of Elisabeth of Austria, Queen of=20 France.
 
 
Lyn Greaves
Lady Rosamund d'Alwareton, CM, OTerp, = OSalamander
 
Remember: Amateurs built the ark, but professionals built the = Titanic
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 LalahTT@aol.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 = 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] check out = this=20 partlet...

     Would you be so kind as to send = a site=20 for viewing the entire garment?  The partlett is gorgeous and I = would=20 love to see the whole gown.  Thanks

Lalah
Never Give = up,=20 Never Surrender,
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - = - - - -=20 - - -
Looking for a great gift?  Check out Beary Classy Bears = at=20
http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html=20

------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C1F5D0.68BFFDA0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 14:41:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09613 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:41:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47IS1C02682; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47IS1R15888; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47IRRR15509 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:27:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from henk (xs241-245-56.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.245.56]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 903E98A379D for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:27:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <01ac01c1f5f4$b60b3e20$cee3f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <013401c1f532$7ab162e0$8dd8f1c3@henk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_019A_01C1F604.33F6D100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:17:25 +0200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_019A_01C1F604.33F6D100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Heather, You wrote: >You also have to keep in mind that this particular set of photographs = was _not_ selected as "examples of good costuming" or even "examples=20 of typical costuming" but rather "people who took advantage of an=20 offer of free portrait photography at a particular event". You mean this wasn't your typical bunch of members of the Western = Kingdom dressing up in their best totties for the occasion, but just the = ones who had no money (or couldn't spare the money) to be photographed = by a professional artist? I find that a bit hard to believe... Henk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "The role of the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better = nation is one that is often neglected by historians" T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London (etc.), 1998, p. 358 (note) ------=_NextPart_000_019A_01C1F604.33F6D100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Heather,
 
You wrote:
>You also have to keep in mind that this particular set of = photographs=20
was _not_ selected as "examples of good costuming" or even = "examples=20
of typical costuming" but rather "people who took advantage of an=20
offer of free portrait photography at a particular = event".

You mean this wasn't your typical bunch of members of the Western = Kingdom=20 dressing up in their best totties for the occasion, but just the ones = who had=20 no money (or couldn't spare the money) to be photographed by a = professional=20 artist? I find that a bit hard to believe...
 
 
Henk
 
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The = role of the=20 lower intestine in the efforts to build a better nation
is one that = is=20 often neglected by historians"
T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London = (etc.),=20 1998, p. 358 (note)
 
------=_NextPart_000_019A_01C1F604.33F6D100-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 14:41:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09618 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:41:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47ISBC02708; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47ISAR16000; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:28:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47IRSR15513 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:27:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from henk (xs241-245-56.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.245.56]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id E25118A3838 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:27:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <01ad01c1f5f4$b6dc49c0$cee3f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A1_01C1F605.251CD340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:24:10 +0200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A1_01C1F605.251CD340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi 'Regina', You wrote: > My name went through during the tenure of Wilhelm von Schluessel and I had to have three sources showing common usage. Wilhelm von Schluessel? WILHELM VON SCHLUESSEL? That's a historic = german name? I doubt it. His last name here says: of Key, which is = nonsense (unless it's a bad pun 'off key'). In Germany it would be: von = der Schluessel, and the family might have been named thus because they = lived in a a house called 'Der Schluessel" or they might have been = locksmiths (although 'Auf der Schloss', 'Vons Schloss', might have been = more logical that way). But never Von Schluessel!!!! Sheesh! Henk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "The role of the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better = nation is one that is often neglected by historians" T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London (etc.), 1998, p. 358 (note) ------=_NextPart_000_01A1_01C1F605.251CD340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi 'Regina',
 
You wrote:
> My name went through during the tenure of Wilhelm = von
Schluessel=20 and I had to have three sources showing common usage.
Wilhelm von Schluessel? WILHELM VON SCHLUESSEL? That's a historic = german=20 name? I doubt it. His last name here says: of Key, which is nonsense = (unless=20 it's a bad pun 'off key'). In Germany it would be: von der Schluessel, = and the=20 family might have been named thus because they lived in a a house = called 'Der=20 Schluessel" or they might have been locksmiths (although 'Auf der = Schloss',=20 'Vons Schloss', might have been more logical that way). But never Von=20 Schluessel!!!!  Sheesh!
 
Henk
 
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The = role of the=20 lower intestine in the efforts to build a better nation
is one that = is=20 often neglected by historians"
T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London = (etc.),=20 1998, p. 358 (note)
------=_NextPart_000_01A1_01C1F605.251CD340-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 14:48:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09781 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:48:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47IZ3C03396; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47IZ2R19595; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47IYMR19251 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.c3.22664509 (3998) for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:34:14 -0400 (EDT) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] check out this partlet... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c3.22664509.2a097826_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:34:14 EDT Status: RO --part1_c3.22664509.2a097826_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, it is gorgeous. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_c3.22664509.2a097826_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Thanks, it is gorgeous.

Lalah
Never Give up, Never Surrender,
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Looking for a great gift?  Check out Beary Classy Bears at
http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html

--part1_c3.22664509.2a097826_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 14:50:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09826 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:50:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Ib1C03611; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Ib1R20751; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47IahR20583 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gonzo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.242] helo=gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1759pK-0006FG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 11:36:42 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g47IafJ29712 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:36:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Goodman To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 156.41.168.21 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: lithiate@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 11:36:41 -0700 Status: RO Henk, This group of pictures in question were a free service provided by the fellow who maintains the site where the pictures are stored. He is a freelance photographer with an interest in the SCA and uses these events as a chance to build up a personal portfolio of his work. He offers his services to the populace for free so that he can have a wide variety of subjects to photograph. And he is a very good photographer. So, the situation with this particular page full of SCAers in their "Sunday Best" isn't intended to be a showcase of how awesomely dressed the populace of the West Kingdom is, but rather, one man's personal online portfolio of his photographic work. That is what Heather/Tangwystl was trying to explain. Hope this clears the air a little. :) Sarah Lorraine ******* On Tue, 7 May 2002 20:17:25 +0200 Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Heather, You wrote: >You also have to keep in mind that this particular set of photographs was _not_ selected as "examples of good costuming" or even "examples of typical costuming" but rather "people who took advantage of an offer of free portrait photography at a particular event". You mean this wasn't your typical bunch of members of the Western Kingdom dressing up in their best totties for the occasion, but just the ones who had no money (or couldn't spare the money) to be photographed by a professional artist? I find that a bit hard to believe...     Henk     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "The role of the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better nation is one that is often neglected by historians" T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London (etc.), 1998, p. 358 (note)   _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 14:54:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09919 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:54:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47If2C04085; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47If1R22945; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Ie5R22427 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gonzo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.242] helo=gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1759sa-0004XX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 11:40:04 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g47Ie4900364 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 7 May 2002 11:40:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Goodman To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 156.41.168.21 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: lithiate@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 11:40:04 -0700 Status: RO Henk, She wasn't saying that Wilhelm von Schluessel's name was period. She was saying *her* name was accepted through the College of Herald's as being period *during* the reign of the aforementioned individual. I'm not up on what year that was, but it was fairly early on in the history of the SCA. I think her point was that there were some people who were aware of period naming practices early on. Sheesh. This is getting really ridiculous. Sarah Lorraine *********** On Tue, 7 May 2002 20:24:10 +0200 Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi 'Regina', You wrote: > My name went through during the tenure of Wilhelm von Schluessel and I had to have three sources showing common usage. Wilhelm von Schluessel? WILHELM VON SCHLUESSEL? That's a historic german name? I doubt it. His last name here says: of Key, which is nonsense (unless it's a bad pun 'off key'). In Germany it would be: von der Schluessel, and the family might have been named thus because they lived in a a house called 'Der Schluessel" or they might have been locksmiths (although 'Auf der Schloss', 'Vons Schloss', might have been more logical that way). But never Von Schluessel!!!!  Sheesh!   Henk     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "The role of the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better nation is one that is often neglected by historians" T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London (etc.), 1998, p. 358 (note) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 14:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09947 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:55:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Ih1C04407; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Ih0R24149; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (sproxy.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47IgXR23867 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:42:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 7568 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2002 18:42:27 -0000 Received: from p50801d28.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?80.128.29.40?) (80.128.29.40) by mail.gmx.net (mp015-rz3) with SMTP; 7 May 2002 18:42:27 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01ad01c1f5f4$b6dc49c0$cee3f1c3@henk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3103648946_1366438" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:42:26 +0200 Status: RO > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3103648946_1366438 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yo Henk! I think you missed your nap again today! Cass :) > You wrote: >>> > My name went through during the tenure of Wilhelm von >> Schluessel and I had to have three sources showing common usage. >> Wilhelm von Schluessel? WILHELM VON SCHLUESSEL? That's a historic german >> name? I >> >> Henk --B_3103648946_1366438 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples Yo Henk!

I think you missed your nap again today!

Cass :)

You wrote:
> My name went through during th= e tenure of Wilhelm von
Schluessel and I had to have three sources showing common usage.
Wilhelm von Schluessel? WILHELM VON SCHLUESSEL? That's a historic german na= me? I
<snip>
 Henk
--B_3103648946_1366438-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 15:02:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10022 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:02:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Io1C05235; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Io0R28204; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47InmR28069 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:49:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 15571 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2002 18:49:41 -0000 Received: from p50801d28.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?80.128.29.40?) (80.128.29.40) by mail.gmx.net (mp014-rz3) with SMTP; 7 May 2002 18:49:41 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01ac01c1f5f4$b60b3e20$cee3f1c3@henk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3103649381_1392589" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:49:41 +0200 Status: RO > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3103649381_1392589 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Really Henk, This is getting a bit out of hand. If you won=B9t play nicely, you=B9ll have to go take time-out in the corner. Hmm and after reading your sig, perhaps you should take an antacid too. Cass :) > Hi Heather, > =20 > You wrote: >>> >You also have to keep in mind that this particular set of photographs >> was _not_ selected as "examples of good costuming" or even "examples >> of typical costuming" but rather "people who took advantage of an >> offer of free portrait photography at a particular event". >>=20 >> You mean this wasn't your typical bunch of members of the Western Kingdo= m >> dressing up in their best totties for the occasion, but just the ones wh= o had >> no money (or couldn't spare the money) to be photographed by a professio= nal >> artist? I find that a bit hard to believe... >> =20 >> =20 >> Henk >> =20 >> =20 >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> "The role of the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better nation >> is one that is often neglected by historians" >> T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London (etc.), 1998, p. 358 (note) >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 --B_3103649381_1392589 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Really Henk,

This is getting a bit out of hand. If you won’t play nicely, you̵= 7;ll have to go take time-out in the corner. Hmm and after reading your sig,= perhaps you should take an antacid too.

Cass :)

Hi Heather,
 
You wrote:
>You also have to keep in mind t= hat this particular set of photographs
was _not_ selected as "examples of good costuming" or even "= examples
of typical costuming" but rather "people who took advantage of an=
offer of free portrait photography at a particular event".

You mean this wasn't your typical bunch of members of the Western Kingdom d= ressing up in their best totties for the occasion, but just the ones who had= no money (or couldn't spare the money) to be photographed by a professional= artist? I find that a bit hard to believe...
 
 
Henk
 
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The role of the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better nati= on
is one that is often neglected by historians"
T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London (etc.), 1998, p. 358 (note)
 


 --B_3103649381_1392589-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 15:08:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10163 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:08:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Iu2C05861; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Iu1R01805; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g47ItMl01465 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:55:22 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20020507125522.A7958@net.indra.com> References: <01ad01c1f5f4$b6dc49c0$cee3f1c3@henk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: [h-cost] CALLING A HALT (was Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:55:22 -0600 Status: RO I firmly believe it's time we got back on topic for the list, so let's end this meta-discussion of SCA accuracy. Aside from becoming rather unpleasant, it's against the charter of the list. " ... general discussion regarding the groups or organizations that sponsor costumed events is discouraged." I would also like to add the following piece of advice which I would be grateful if all listers would keep in mind: "That which is hateful to you, do not do to others." If you prefer, another version is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Thanks, ...eliz, list admin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 15:12:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10253 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:12:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47J05C06283; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47J05R04135; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WDNE2K.mackie.com ([12.144.236.152]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47IxaR03801 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 12:59:36 -0600 (MDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Kalamazoo news? Thread-Index: AcH1+UtHpoPrB33FS0y8IsmLyME9og== From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g47IxaR03801 Subject: [h-cost] Kalamazoo news? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:59:20 -0700 Status: RO Hi all, Anyone back on the list yet from the Kalamazoo conference? I'd really like to hear how the costume-related sessions went. Regards, Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 15:35:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10616 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:35:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47JNNC08502; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47JNMR17416; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47JF1R12747 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:15:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04224 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:35:51 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) In-Reply-To: <3CD6F29F.15675.5A2D598@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:35:51 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO I have been trying to avoid this conversation, but I did see this comment quoted: > > I wasn't commenting on wearing glasses ALLl the time if you need > > them. Just take them off when your picture is taken or when you give > > a press conference (and don't have to read something from a paper). > > I other words: when you want to look like a historic person for the > > outsiders take them off, when you're amongst yourselves, sure, leave > > them on. There's more to playing a historic character than putting > > on a 'costume'... I think this hits a key point, though the author may not have realized it. We all need to remember that different members of this list have different purposes for their costuming. The assumption in some of the posts I've seen is that dressing up in costume implies an attempt to present for "outsiders," and/or to develop an individual interpretation of a specific historically consistent character. That is certainly the case for living history groups. The SCA, on the other hand, generally does its thing at private events, at which the goal is not to display a coherent picture for observers, but rather to increase understanding and awareness of the Middle Ages/Renaissance for the *participants.* The entrance bar for participation is deliberately set low to allow people to enter easily and then find their own level. That means a sizable proportion of members at any gathering are relatively new. It also means that different people ultimately gravitate to different pursuits. Few make their personal goal the presentation of a near-perfect period image of an individual; many focus on a single area in which they develop understanding and expertise. That area may be costume. It often is not. Although SCA groups often do demonstrations for local schools and fairs and such, there's usually a pretty clear understanding that the individuals are demonstrating specific activities (e.g. combat techniques, calligraphy, cooking), not that all members are carrying out a fully realized historic role within a unified framework. The wide time/place spread of the organization generally precludes any attempt at a coherent group presentation anyway, but it does promote other things, such as an individual's study of the development of a specific craft over several centuries. When you do see the fully realized persona presentation from an SCA person, it's because that individual has chosen to focus on that activity. It is by no means the point of the organization. For that matter, it's likely that a group does public demonstrations not because it sees its purpose as "educating the public," but because it wants to publicize its existence to attract new members who will then join and engage in the primary (participatory) activities of the group. (I should note that there are certainly a number of SCA members who will announce to the spectators at a demo, or wanderers-by at a publicly accessible outdoor site, that "We do everything just as they did then, so we can see exactly how it felt." That's an unfortunate oversimplification, but understandable among people who *haven't* seen what real living history interpretation involves. At best, the older and wiser members will instruct them. At worst, the group consists entirely of such rather uninformed -- but usually enthusiastic -- folk. And from thence springs many misunderstandings.) If you were costuming for modern theater, you would have another set of goals imposed by the constraints of the medium: Can it hold up under repeated cleanings, can the actor remain comfortable under hot lights, can you accomplish clothes changes quickly? That may mean the designer may compromise on layers, techniques, materials, fastenings. But it does not mean the designer does not wish to create an accurate visual semblance of a period -- or perhaps make a deliberately inaccurate visual image that combines some elements of a period's style with other elements that would have significance to the modern viewer. I therefore would not fault a theatre designer for making deliberate compromises in costume to achieve these purposes. Nor do I fault the SCA costumer who makes deliberate compromises that reflect the constraints of *that* medium. One of those constraints is budget; another is suitability for travel; there are others. Perhaps those who find the SCA approach to be inadequate would have an easier time if they did not try to classify SCA along with living history groups. Its goals are fundamentally different, and so its compromises are different. The SCA is a means to promote interest and study of a period among the general nonspecialist population. The results and expectations reflect that. For the same reason, glasses, leg braces, and other aids are considered "invisible" -- and people are also not faulted for clothing themselves in styles that are inconsistent with their hair length, body type, skin color, age, and gender. The goal is to allow the individuals to explore the period; the costuming (and all the other activities, including the conventions of social interaction and the awards structure) are designed to give people a framework for that process of learning and exploration. I'm personally glad to see a group like the SCA out there, because it provides a bridge for people who might not otherwise have any interest in or understanding of history. Those who grow to want more authenticity can either pursue it within the group or find another avenue more suited to their revised goals. --Robin left the SCA around 1984 to pursue other interests, but still friendly to/with SCA people _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 15:36:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10629 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:36:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47JO0C08568; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47JO0R17776; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47JM7R16774 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:22:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04268 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:43:00 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] CALLING A HALT (was Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples) In-Reply-To: <20020507125522.A7958@net.indra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:43:00 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Tue, 7 May 2002, Elizabeth Lear wrote: > I firmly believe it's time we got back on topic for the list, so let's > end this meta-discussion of SCA accuracy. Aside from becoming rather > unpleasant, it's against the charter of the list. My apologies. I sent my one contribution to this thread before I saw this notice from Elizabeth. I ask that people refrain from commenting on my post, which will not doubt appear after Elizabeth's in your inbox, but shortly before this one. (I console myself with the knowledge that my intent was to discuss the variety of reasons for costuming, and how one's goals influence one's execution. But yes, I did include some discussion of the organization in question.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 15:45:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10766 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:45:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47JW2C09455; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47JW1R22344; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (sproxy.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47JVCR21804 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:31:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 3466 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2002 19:31:06 -0000 Received: from p50801d28.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?80.128.29.40?) (80.128.29.40) by mail.gmx.net (mp007-rz3) with SMTP; 7 May 2002 19:31:06 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3103651866_1542020" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 21:31:06 +0200 Status: RO > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3103651866_1542020 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello All! Please excuse my posts responding to Henk=B9s responses. It takes like 20-30 minutes for my posts to show up and they don=B9t even show up in order. I had written them before Eliz called halt! Back to a regularly scheduled discussions Cass :) --B_3103651866_1542020 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples Hello All!

Please excuse my posts responding to Henk’s responses. It takes like = 20-30 minutes for my posts to show up and they don’t even show up in o= rder. I had written them before Eliz called halt!

Back to a regularly scheduled discussions

Cass :)

 --B_3103651866_1542020-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 15:48:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10883 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:48:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Ja1C09919; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Ja0R24611; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47JZYR24376 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:35:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id ACCD37501AC; Tue, 07 May 2002 14:36:45 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c1f5fe$48e2b580$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3CD77029.7BA468D4@flash.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hygiene X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:35:03 -0400 Status: RO You know you watch the History Channel too much when they have a program on the history of concrete. Stop laughing... it really was a show on the network. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 15:50:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10949 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:50:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Jc1C10095; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Jc1R25759; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47JbtR25705 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:37:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA04917.; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:46:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 May 2002 20:37:38 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1666 Stuf coat?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g47JbtR25705 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:37:09 +0100 Status: RO According to the OED, "stuff" could mean either textile material in general, or a particular type of woollen textile. It was defined in 1735 as "any sort of commodity made of woollen thread, but [particularly] those thin light ones that women make or line their gowns of or with" and in 1882 as being distinguished by the absence of a nap or pile. The quotations go back to the early 17th century, though. PS Welcome back to the list, Nicole! The more 17th century enthusiasts, the better. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 15:54:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11049 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:54:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Jg1C10497; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Jg0R27949; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47JfgR27732 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:41:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13140 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2002 19:41:36 -0000 Received: from p50801d28.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?80.128.29.40?) (80.128.29.40) by mail.gmx.net (mp007-rz3) with SMTP; 7 May 2002 19:41:36 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hygiene From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006701c1f5fe$48e2b580$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 21:41:36 +0200 Status: RO Oh, but I _like_ those sorts of programs! I just watched a documentary about how these engineers moved a 650 ton 6 m wide component for a reactor through the Bavarian countryside and through the Dorfs too. It was great Cass :) > You know you watch the History Channel too much when they have a program on > the history of concrete. Stop laughing... it really was a show on the > network. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 15:58:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11124 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:58:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Jk1C10910; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Jk0R00486; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (ip252.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Jj9R29857 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:45:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893A910F35E for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 41C263A8030 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <054001c1f5fe$de25ebd0$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <3CD77029.7BA468D4@flash.net> <006701c1f5fe$48e2b580$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The History of Concrete MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:39:13 -0400 Status: RO I'll stop laughing if you tell me you didn't sit and watch it! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hygiene > You know you watch the History Channel too much when they have a program on > the history of concrete. Stop laughing... it really was a show on the > network. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 15:58:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11128 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:58:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47JkAC10959; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:46:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Jk9R00579; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:46:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20803.mail.yahoo.com (web20803.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47JjhR00298 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:45:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020507194542.19309.qmail@web20803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.34.73.189] by web20803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:45:42 PDT From: Margaret Farrow To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Cloak content Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO The historical group I just started working with uses "Rain cloaks" to protect their clothing from the rain. I got ahold of one this weekend, but I wasn't completely sure of its contents. I think the outside was made of wool (but what kind I wasn't sure), lined with any available fabric (this cloak was lined in satin), and interlined in the hood and shoulders with a waterproof material (the bottom wasn't hemmed so I could partially pull it apart). Could anybody tell me/suggest what kind of wool I should use on the outside and what material I can interline it with. Thanks in advance for your help. Margaret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 16:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11530 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:19:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47K64C12975; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47K61R12698; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47K54R12163 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A3B79A0218; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:06:15 -0500 Message-ID: <009301c1f602$67f8a340$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3CD77029.7BA468D4@flash.net> <006701c1f5fe$48e2b580$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <054001c1f5fe$de25ebd0$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The History of Concrete X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:04:33 -0400 Status: RO Dianne, I was sick with the flu... okay! It took me 15 minutes to figure out what I was watching. When they said the name of the show, I changed the channel immediately. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 16:19:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11558 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:19:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47K71C13151; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47K70R13334; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47K6GR12843 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-122-74-81.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.74.81] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 175BDx-0004r3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 21:06:14 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c20e5e$fd5f6f80$514a7ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level ofSCAcostuming) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 21:00:37 +0100 Status: RO Cassandra wrote: > >> And what I think is an attempt on your part to sound objective about > >> this is coming across to some of us as criticism and a bit > > holier-than-thou. > > > > I see you are back to the unspecified we again; I do hope that you > > don't turn out to be the Queen incognito. > And if I were?... I'd be politely suggesting that you reconsider the notion of swapping the Koh-i-Noor and the Cullinans for chunks of plastic; people will, Your Majesty, notice. A mortgage on Buckingham Palace would be a better option... Yours, loyally, Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 16:31:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11725 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:31:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47KJ1C14466; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47KJ1R20492; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47KIaR20188 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:18:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from acs.ryerson.ca ([64.231.161.12]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020507201836.GLIH22898.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@acs.ryerson.ca> for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:18:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD83662.6871A2A2@acs.ryerson.ca> From: Kathy Cleaver X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Allergy to wool References: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> <013601c1f532$7d1ce4a0$8dd8f1c3@henk> <00d601c1f539$759dc760$bc614ed5@pavilion> <3CD76789.2010903@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 16:17:38 -0400 Status: RO Actually, allergy to wool has been around forever and it is caused by the scale structure of wool irritating the skin. If you look at wool under the microscope, it is covered with small overlapping scales (a bit like those on a fish). On finer wools, the scales are smaller and on heavier coarser wools, they are bigger, so usually coarse heavy wools cause more allergic reactions than fine wools. Modern "cool" wools (very lightweight) have had almost all the scale bred out, so they should cause almost no allergic reaction. I'm not saying people can't also be allergic to the lanolin or to finishes put on the wool later, or to dyestuffs, or even to detergent residue on the fabric, but the scale structure is what causes most wool allergies. Kathy A F Murphy wrote: > You know... it is, in fact, possible to be allergic to wool. I am. The > following comments are not blanket statements covering everyone, just my > own experience. > > I can tell if a fabric is wool, even if other people are unsure, or even > if they think it is something else, by touching it to my face. It > prickles. Doesn't itch, really, but prickles. Other parts of my body, I > get the same reaction, but it takes a little longer. Took nearly 5 > minutes to realize my arm was touching a sheepskin on a friend's sofa. > It began to hurt, though just a little. (I was lying down with a > headache, and not paying attention to my surroundings.) If the edge of a > garment touches my skin, I develop a rash. That itches... for the rest > of the day. > > No, this is not the processing. I knew a woman who raised her own sheep, > spun and wove the fabric herself. It prickled. I'm learning to spin, and > a fleece followed me home, so I am spinning wool... it doesn't bother my > hands, at least, not the length of time I'm handling it, (I don't spin > long, partly because I am still learning, partly because I'm being > careful about a wrist injury) but I can't loop the roving around my > wrist, as I have seen some people do. And I scoured this myself! And it > is nice and soft and fluffy. > > My experience, back when I had to wear suits, was that I could wear a > wool blend over a slip. Couldn't wear pants at all, even lined ones - > too close to the skin. Especially if I am warm, I can itch right through > a lining. I've avoided wearing it at all, except for winter coats, for > years. I'm just starting to make historic costume for my own wear, and > I plan to try a good soft wool over a heavy substantial linen. Not a > lightweight one, I'm afraid that might not be enough. It may take a > while to work up the nerve... Right now, I'm sticking to linen. > > You know - an allergy is, by definition, an abnormal reaction to a > substance. Someone can be allergic to anything. A cucumber nearly killed > my mother. None of this means there is anything wrong with the wool (or > the cucumber). It's just that I can't use it! I find I have this > discussion someplace once or twice a year, because many people don't > know about it, and some don't believe it. I agree that it is not common, > here or in Europe, but it is real. > > Thank you! > > Anne > Getting off the wool soapbox, and really wishing she could wear the > lovely stuff > > Melanie Wilson wrote: > > >Hi Henk > > > >>Why is taht so in the USA? I have not heard of it overhere, Do they do > >> > >something with wool over there? Besides, wool is the outer layer, linen goes > >against the skin. Nobody is allergic to linen, are they? > > > >Possibily the finishing in the US. It was very different both dye wise & > >finish wise when I was working there 10 odd years ago. > > > >Alex, my son, if hyper sensative to powders & finishes (among other things) > >It isn't a true allergy to wool, but manifests itself as such. So I am > >careful about what wools I clothe him in. I suspect it is a combination of > >such factors & a lack of use to natural fibres in many cases. > > > >Mel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 16:40:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11922 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:40:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47KS1C15538; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47KS1R25767; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (root@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu [128.200.119.150]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47KRdR25575 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:27:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from UAOBRIEN.uci.edu (HIB435A.HNET.UCI.EDU [128.200.119.223]) by benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id NAA20764 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 13:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020507132622.01bd0570@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> X-Sender: uaobrien@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" Subject: Re: [h-cost] The History of Concrete In-Reply-To: <054001c1f5fe$de25ebd0$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> References: <3CD77029.7BA468D4@flash.net> <006701c1f5fe$48e2b580$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:30:02 -0700 Status: RO Oh, but the history of concrete is *interesting*. I mean, the Romans had the technology -- it's how they built things like the coffered ceiling of the Pantheon -- and then the technology was lost again for literally hundreds of years. It wasn't re-discovered until something like the 18th century. (Now, you may laugh.) --Ulrika At 12:39 PM 5/7/2002, you wrote: >I'll stop laughing if you tell me you didn't sit and watch it! > >Dianne >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Penny Ladnier" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:35 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] hygiene > > > > You know you watch the History Channel too much when they have a program >on > > the history of concrete. Stop laughing... it really was a show on the > > network. > > > > Penny Ladnier > > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > > http://www.costumegallery.com > > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Ulrika O'Brien English & Comparative Literature University of California, Irvine 435 Humanities Instructional Building (949) 824-6712 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 16:44:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11997 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:44:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47KW2C16008; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47KW1R28321; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47KV0R27612 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020507203059.24979.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 21:30:59 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1666 Stuf coat?? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:30:59 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > According to the OED, "stuff" could mean either textile material in general, > or a particular type of woollen textile. Yes, yes, indeed. The references I came across, and that is up to the late 1650s/early 1660s are as such (i.e. Thomas Fuller and his "The History of the Worthies of England" from 1662) Stuffs A general term applied to a variety of woollen fabrics certainly including bays and says and serges. With: Sayes and Bayes 17th century it was made of finer and lighter texture and used as clothing material. Serge Often referred to as worn by the poorer classes both by men and women, on account of durability more than on price. Serge was often used for lining, for example in soldier's uniforms. Nowadays serge is a very durable twilled cloth of worsted. Fuller mentions: "Taunton serges are eminent in their kind, being a fashionable wearing, as lighter than cloth, yet thicker than many other stuff." Now comes the question though... what a hefty sum for the fabric, but then again, it could well be a coat made from wool and lined with wool, it is definitely wool though this 'Stuf'. > > PS Welcome back to the list, Nicole! The more 17th century enthusiasts, the > better. Thanks Kate! And the more University employees the better too. *laughs* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 16:55:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12166 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:55:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Kf1C16959; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Kf1R03670; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47KeDR03247 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 14:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020507204013.7173.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 21:40:13 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] *Pokes head in* To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200205071655.g47GtLl23052@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:40:13 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Heather Meadows wrote: > Nicole! what's changed is we've missed you! > > Good to see you around :) > > .heather. Ohhhh thanks! *blush* Never thought anyone would miss the antagonistic old b*tch. *grins* Though I do wonder if I should have taken some water pumps with me back in, for the war that's going on again... *ducks head* :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 17:20:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12646 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:20:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47L62C19642; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47L60R18578; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (ip252.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47L5SR18272 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A9F10F3C6 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C82143A802B for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05c901c1f60a$0c98a240$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <3CD77029.7BA468D4@flash.net> <006701c1f5fe$48e2b580$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <054001c1f5fe$de25ebd0$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> <009301c1f602$67f8a340$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The History of Concrete MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:59:16 -0400 Status: RO 'S okay. I don't much like TV, but I'll read the cereal box if there isn't anything else! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] The History of Concrete > Dianne, > > I was sick with the flu... okay! It took me 15 minutes to figure out what I > was watching. When they said the name of the show, I changed the channel > immediately. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 17:32:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12797 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:32:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47LI2C21130; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47LI1R25534; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47LHmR25423 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:17:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KeckSimba@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.16c.d4dca84 (4561) for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:17:34 -0400 (EDT) From: KeckSimba@aol.com Message-ID: <16c.d4dca84.2a099e6e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Costume sourcing info To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:17:34 EDT Status: RO Thanks for writing Angela! I am located in Pa. I make some of my costumes but also buy ones to rent and children's lower end to sell. I got a copy of the Costumers Resource catalog.but am looking for wholesalers of costumes and accesseroies.also do you have any idea where I could buy the colored foam that they use to make a lot of the costumes? Thanks so much for your help! Bonnie p.s. also how to I post a question like this so everyone gets it? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 17:35:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12855 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:35:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47LL2C21502; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47LL1R27247; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47LKdR27036 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:20:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KeckSimba@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.125.103fd952 (4561) for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:20:27 -0400 (EDT) From: KeckSimba@aol.com Message-ID: <125.103fd952.2a099f1b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: the level of costuming To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:20:27 EDT Status: RO Hi! Thanks for replying! I do it all! I make a lot of my costumes to rent and make to sell childrens.I also but ready made and am looking for some good wholesalers such as Rubies (they are the only ones I found so far)for costumes and accessories. Also do you know where to get the colored foam that they use for a lot of the costumes? thanks! Bonnie P.s. my shop is in PA. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 17:37:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12891 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:37:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47LOBC21879; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:24:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47LO2R28849; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47LNbR28628 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:23:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KeckSimba@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.bc.2631ad2d (4561) for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:23:00 -0400 (EDT) From: KeckSimba@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: the level of costuming To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:22:59 EDT Status: RO Hi! What is SCA? I mostly make costumes from Simplicity,McCalls patterns right now but would like to get into other things but don't know where to get the patterns. I also buy from Rubies and would like to find other companies like them. I am in Pa also, Williamsport area. thanks for any help! Bonnie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 17:40:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12944 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:40:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47LS1C22301; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47LS1R01300; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47LQTR00435 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:26:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KeckSimba@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.51.1da550f5 (4561) for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:26:01 -0400 (EDT) From: KeckSimba@aol.com Message-ID: <51.1da550f5.2a09a069@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] where and what? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:26:01 EDT Status: RO Hi! I am in Pa. mostly do McCalls,Simplicity patterns right now as I don, t know where to get other patterns from. I rent and sell. Buy a lot from Rubies and would like to find more companies like them. also do you know where to get thecolored foam that they use for a lot of the costumes? Also what is SCA? thanks for your help! Bonnie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 17:42:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13034 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:42:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47LT1C22440; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47LT1R02074; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47LSjR01864 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:28:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.187]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVR003LOFKBWC@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 May 2002 14:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: my costume posted (was Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020507142424.04d99810@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 14:26:29 -0700 Status: RO >Kayta was gracious enough to let me post the picture of her last renfaire >outfit on my site as a "Featured Attyre" costume-of-the-week, so now you >can all check it out! >http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/feature/feature.html Didn't she do >a fabulous job?!?!? Thanks Kayta! Thank you so much for posting that. It occurred to me that nobody who doesn't know me has seen my stuff. And till I get a web site of my own, I can't post anything of my own. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 17:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13052 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:43:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47LV1C22634; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47LV0R03297; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47LUpR03197 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:30:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KeckSimba@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.b7.20330447 (4561) for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:30:37 -0400 (EDT) From: KeckSimba@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: the level of costuming To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:30:37 EDT Status: RO Hi! I am in PA. right now I make most from Simplicity et cause I don't know where to get any other patterns. I also buy from Rubies and am looking for more companies like them. I rent adults and sell childrens costumes and accessories. Thanks for any help! Bonnie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 17:58:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13417 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:58:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Lk2C24354; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Lk1R12356; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Lj4R11720 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:45:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.151]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020507214501.KEUL28297.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 22:45:01 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3CD858ED.31550.13A4BDF@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-description: Mail message body Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g47Lj4R11720 Subject: [h-cost] (Fwd) English costume 11th C to 1830 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:45:01 +0100 Status: RO This was pointed out to me by my dad: the site makes "old" books available on CD by scanning them, then selling the CDs at cost. It's a Costume book, of sorts, I gather. But we have no idea as to author. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- ... might be interested in this old book on CD produced by Archive CD Books. Price £16.45 inc VAT and postage. "English Costume Fabulous descriptions of English styles of dress dating from the 11th century until 1830." See All England Lifestyle page (navigate via Catalogue -> Site Map) on http://www.archivecdbooks.org Must be a big book, because most of their CDs are 8.50 + VAT. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 18:02:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13443 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:02:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Lo1C24889; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Lo0R15059; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47LnsR14968 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:49:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-112-41.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.112.41] (may be forged)) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AGC74613; Tue, 7 May 2002 22:47:53 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00bc01c1f611$c3c48e00$46744ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> <013601c1f532$7d1ce4a0$8dd8f1c3@henk> <00d601c1f539$759dc760$bc614ed5@pavilion> <3CD76789.2010903@earthlink.net> <3CD83662.6871A2A2@acs.ryerson.ca> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Allergy to wool MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:54:29 +0100 Status: RO >Actually, allergy to wool has been around forever and it is caused by the scale structure of wool irritating the skin That isn't an allergy it is an irritant. Allergies are bodies defense mechanisms gone haywire Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 18:25:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13867 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:25:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47MD8C27351; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47MD7R28622; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:13:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47M9dR26575 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:09:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 12372 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2002 22:09:32 -0000 Received: from p50801d28.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?80.128.29.40?) (80.128.29.40) by mail.gmx.net (mp004-rz3) with SMTP; 7 May 2002 22:09:32 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Pictures of Peasant Beltaine and my dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 00:09:32 +0200 Status: RO HI all! I finally got some pictures from the weekend at Polderslot and Deredere's wedding. (Hopefully I will get more :))) I've put up some of my dress and general pictures from the event. You can find them at: http://homepage.mac.com/cassandragreer/PhotoAlbum1.html Beware: most of the jpgs are around 50 k or so. Notes on my dress (I can't put this much text on this particular site - when I have time I will move it to my own site) Since this is my first dress based in the 16th century, I used Margo Andersen's Elizabethan patterns with a few changes of my own. The chemise is of fine white linen with a green satin ribbon on the gathered top. There is cotton lace at the wrists (I didn't know if the lace should be separate or not - it is right now) (Picture will come someday) The corset is made of white linen and an indeterminate cream colored material that used to be a curtain, edged with green satin and boned in the front and in the back with 'reeds' scavenged from an Asian curtain. The tab channels are boned with spring steel. (Picture will come someday) The farthingale is made of cheap cotton and supported by what I think is called wicker. It is very proto but worked wonderfully. I had no problems sitting or squeezing into bathroom stalls ;) (Picture will come someday) The petticoat is made of heavy cotton. Behind the foreskirt there is white denim. The foreskirt is made of beige silk that has been sewn in a diamond pattern (It was bought this way). Most of the 1400 Wachsperlen are sewn on this baby and the back is lined with white silk to protect the pearl stitching (All of this with silk thread). The foreskirt is hand sewn onto the petticoat so that it is easily replaced. The sleeves are of the same material as the foreskirt except for the piping which is beige satin ribbon with hemp (?) string inside. All seams and edges are piped. The points are of beige ribbon with (tin?) points. The bodice is of a heavy cotton/viscose curtain brocade and boned with spring steel to keep the point down and lined with white silk. You can't see it in the pictures but I was not happy with this boning. The corset started to curve to my body but the (5 pieces of) spring steel in the bodice didn't so I thought it was very noticeable and I think with wear and getting dirty the lines of the boning will start to get on the bodice. Anyway it is edged in burgundy satin ribbon and is tied on both sides in the back with pink satin ribbons. The skirt is of the same brocade (5 meters) as the bodice and is cartidge pleated to a waistband which I have hooked to the bodice - but I think I need a few more in the front area. The front is edged with burgundy satin ribbon and a wide silver border with dusty rose, light blue and light lila bits. Things to do: I wanted to put on a shoulder roll and make some hanging sleeves but didn't get that far. A partlet would be nice too - I still have leftover beige silk and Wachsperlen. I have also started a glass pearl belt with the pommander on the site -but alas I forgot my bead box in Holland and I hope someone has found it! And the hair - well, I want to make a caul from the beige silk and put Wachsperlen on it and attach it to the fake braid headband but I simply didn't have time. At the beginning I had a snood attached to the braid but it was too heavy and pulled the braid off (I need a comb or something) so I took it off and went with long hair - but hey I'm unmarried. In the BBC production of Elizabeth R, they let the young Queen Elizabeth run around inside with loose hair so I can get away with it this once. So there - my first one! Cass :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 18:35:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14144 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:35:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47MN2C28387; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47MN1R04774; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (ip252.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47MKKR03206 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C9510F274 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CF3973A8033 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <067101c1f614$816010e0$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of Peasant Beltaine and my dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:14:07 -0400 Status: RO It is truly lovely. From the pictures I've seen so far, DereDere, your wedding was spectacular! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassandra Greer" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 6:09 PM Subject: [h-cost] Pictures of Peasant Beltaine and my dress > HI all! > > I finally got some pictures from the weekend at Polderslot and Deredere's > wedding. (Hopefully I will get more :))) > > I've put up some of my dress and general pictures from the event. > > You can find them at: > http://homepage.mac.com/cassandragreer/PhotoAlbum1.html > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 18:38:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14219 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:38:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47MQ6C28726; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:26:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47MQ2R06521; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (sproxy.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g47MKrR03559 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:20:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 30312 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2002 22:20:47 -0000 Received: from p50801d28.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?80.128.29.40?) (80.128.29.40) by mail.gmx.net (mp001-rz3) with SMTP; 7 May 2002 22:20:47 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of Peasant Beltaine and my dress From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 00:20:47 +0200 Status: RO > sitting or squeezing into bathroom stalls ;) (Picture will come someday) No - no pictures of me in a bathroom stall are forthcoming - so you can relax ;) Cass :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 19:23:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15187 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:23:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47NAoC03763; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:10:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47NAmR00114; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47N7JR28110 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:07:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AE6F3730208; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:08:31 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c1f61b$de21ee00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3CD77029.7BA468D4@flash.net> <006701c1f5fe$48e2b580$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020507132622.01bd0570@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The History of Concrete X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 19:06:48 -0400 Status: RO Oh Ulrika... you must have watched ALL of the show. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 19:29:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15273 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:29:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47NH1C04674; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47NH0R03268; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47NFbR02597 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:15:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g47NFag14274 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012c01c1f61d$1b349580$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kalamazoo news? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 19:15:35 -0400 Status: RO Greetings-- > Anyone back on the list yet from the Kalamazoo conference? I'd really like to hear how the costume-related sessions went. Very well, I think, at least for the DISTAFF sessions. Lemme see: One session had a paper by Carla Tilgherman (I probably mangled that spelling) on the ruffled veil in the Arnulphini betrothal portrait that was just amazing. She proved that the veils could be woven by warping the side threads with weights (she also increased the thread count in those sections) and brought in samples to demonstrate. We all just wanted to steal them. Also on that session was Beth McMahon's paper on some of the difficulties in classifying French and Flemish garments in the 16th century, and Donna Cottrell did a paper on a particular very small painting by Van Eyck. The next session had me, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg (doing the wills and inventories part II paper), and another paper on wills by Kristin Burkholder. It's amazing some of the details available in these sources. The non-woven textiles session was very cool. Anne Reaves did a paper on knitting Madonnas, Chris Laning did one on some fairly early knitted bags from Switzerland (with samples), and Anne Marie Decker did a session on naalbinding that made me realize there was actually more than one kind of naalbinding! She had lovely samples of various thicknesses. I was also part of the costume roundtable session, where about six of us talked about studying costume from different sources. I know Robin Netherton and Heather Rose Jones are on this list (talking about art and archaeological sources, respectively); we also had Liz Johnson from La Belle Compagnie doing the recreation/living history perspective, Monica Bishop doing literary sources, and Miranda Howard Haddock doing the library perspective. This session was just a lot of fun--it was neat to see everyone recognizing how important it was to see costume and dress from a variety of perspectives. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 19:32:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15309 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:32:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47NK0C05098; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47NK0R04608; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (root@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu [128.200.119.150]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47NIBR03812 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from UAOBRIEN.uci.edu (HIB435A.HNET.UCI.EDU [128.200.119.223]) by benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id QAA05141 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020507161651.01bdfa08@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> X-Sender: uaobrien@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" Subject: Re: [h-cost] The History of Concrete In-Reply-To: <002301c1f61b$de21ee00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <3CD77029.7BA468D4@flash.net> <006701c1f5fe$48e2b580$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020507132622.01bd0570@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 16:20:35 -0700 Status: RO At 04:06 PM 5/7/2002, Penny Ladnier wrote: >Oh Ulrika... you must have watched ALL of the show. Oh, no, it's much scarier than that. I have no TV. I knew that stuff off the top of my head. Mind like the trash compactor on the Deathstar, that's me. Ulrika O'Brien English & Comparative Literature University of California, Irvine 435 Humanities Instructional Building (949) 824-6712 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 20:08:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16005 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:08:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g47Nu3C08527; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Nu1R20007; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g47Ns7R19221 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p177.directcon.net [209.233.107.177]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g47NrlUX029979; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:53:49 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020507161108.038277b0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: the level of costuming In-Reply-To: <125.103fd952.2a099f1b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 16:11:08 -0700 Status: RO At 05:20 PM 05/07/2002 EDT, KeckSimba@aol.com wrote: >Hi! Thanks for replying! I do it all! I make a lot of my costumes to rent and >make to sell childrens. Do you do simple, comfortable rennaissance period costumes for children, in natural fibers, that cost less than the $100+ that Chivalry Sports charges? Will you be selling on the Net? If so, please send me your information. I'm the Costume and History Coordinator for a Waldorf school Mayfaire next weekend, and I have dozens of parents clamoring for me to make costumes for their kids, which I do not have time for at all, never mind that they should have thought of this months ago. It's too late for this year, the Faire is next weekend, but I'd like to have sources to offer for next year. The Waldorf Schools are an excellent target market for children's costumes, because there is strong emphasis on history, theater, and the arts. Natural fibers and no TV related themes are also important. Although these are expensive private schools, many of the parents are making considerable sacrifices to pay tuition, so, while you can charge a fair price for good work, don't expect price-is-no-object-for-little-McKenzie's-princess-costume attitudes. I think if someone were to develop a line of children's costumes, preferably with some grow room built into them, and made well enough to last for several years of handing down, this could be a lucrative market. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 21:05:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16544 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 21:05:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g480r1C11819; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g480r0R09616; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g480oVR08793 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:50:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07521 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:11:25 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kalamazoo news? In-Reply-To: <012c01c1f61d$1b349580$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:11:25 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO I figured I'd wait to reply to Colleen's query, because almost all the sessions I went to were the ones I organized through DISTAFF (the dress/textiles group), and I figured someone else should give an unbiased account ;-) But then I realized that most of the people on this list who were at K'zoo were in at least one of those same sessions, and were probably modestly waiting too! I appreciate Susan's stepping forward. Some notes on her descriptions: On Tue, 7 May 2002, Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > One session had a paper by Carla Tilgherman (I probably mangled that > spelling) on the ruffled veil in the Arnulphini betrothal portrait > that was just amazing. She proved that the veils could be woven by > warping the side threads with weights (she also increased the thread > count in those sections) and brought in samples to demonstrate. We > all just wanted to steal them. Also on that session was Beth McMahon's > paper on some of the difficulties in classifying French and Flemish > garments in the 16th century, and Donna Cottrell did a paper on a > particular very small painting by Van Eyck. Carla Tilghman was the one who spoke on the Arnolfini veil. She noted that by the time van Eyck painted that portrait, the veil style was out of fashion and had a symbolic role in the portrait (in this case, symbolizing the state of betrothal). She compared the Arnolfini veil to other depictions of the same period and earlier, and examined the context of the depictions as well as the practical aspects of the veil weaving. Donna's specialty is textiles in the paintings of Van Eyck and his contemporaries, and her paper proposed a possible date for the painting in question on the basis of the textiles in it, compared with those in his other paintings. Beth, a former member of this list, talked about her attempts to create a coherent timeline of costume details as seen in 16th century portraits. > The next session had me, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg (doing the wills and > inventories part II paper), and another paper on wills by Kristin > Burkholder. It's amazing some of the details available in these > sources. Susan's paper was a close look at references to costume in a set of records from a bishop's inspection visits, over a period of years, to the convents, monasteries, and other communities under his authority. She painted a vivid picture of the constant battle the bishop had getting monks and nuns to give up their inappropriate clothing possessions, and also to force the heads of the communities to provide suitable vestments for church ceremonies. Kristin had examined wills from the 14th and 15th centuries that have never been published, as far as I know. She databased the references to specific willed items, the giver, and the receiver, and did statistical analysis on them. Among her findings: Women were more likely to detail linen goods and clothing items individually. Black was the most popular color for clothing, followed by red and blue, with scarcely any mention of yellow. And much, much more. Danielle gave a paper a couple of years ago on clothing references in a set of 16th century wills; this paper continued with jewelry and accessory references in the same group. She focused mostly on matching up the sometimes cryptic terms in the wills with specific types of extant objects and details in paintings. > The non-woven textiles session was very cool. Anne Reaves did a paper > on knitting Madonnas, Chris Laning did one on some fairly early > knitted bags from Switzerland (with samples), and Anne Marie Decker > did a session on naalbinding that made me realize there was actually > more than one kind of naalbinding! She had lovely samples of various > thicknesses. Anne has done several knitting papers for us before. Her past presentations have been on practical aspects of knitting, based on her examination of artifacts, but this one was on the presentation and iconography of knitting Madonnas, with a special eye to the tools and techniques illustrated in paintings. Chris was a first-time presenter and a current? former? member of this list. She managed to get very detailed images of a small group of knitted silk purses in Switzerland -- early samples, I think 14th century -- and showed how they were designed and constructed. Anne Marie was not only a first-time presenter, but also a first-time K'zoo attendee. I was *thrilled* to have her. I think she educated a lot of people on just how far back nalbinding goes (Paleolithic era) and why it's commonly confused with knitting, sprang, and other nonwoven textiles. > I was also part of the costume roundtable session, where about six of > us talked about studying costume from different sources. I know Robin > Netherton and Heather Rose Jones are on this list (talking about art > and archaeological sources, respectively); we also had Liz Johnson > from La Belle Compagnie doing the recreation/living history > perspective, Monica Bishop doing literary sources, and Miranda Howard > Haddock doing the library perspective. This session was just a lot of > fun--it was neat to see everyone recognizing how important it was to > see costume and dress from a variety of perspectives. The literary expert was actually Monica Wright, who did her dissertation on costume references in 12th century romances. (Susan can be excused for having bishops on the brain!) We had quite a lively discussion, once people found their way onto familiar ground such as grousing about limited access to artifacts, poor cataloguing of artworks, and ambiguous terminology in documents. I managed to make it to a couple of other sessions, including one that usually focuses on costume symbolism but this time included a basic overview of 13th c. costume as seen in the illuminations of Ordinary People in a legal manuscript. I also made it to a session on Anglo-Saxon crafts, organized by Gale Owen-Crocker (my partner in DISTAFF). That one included three British scholars: Elizabeth Coatsworth analyzing how Anglo-Saxon brooches were designed, Michael Pinder discussing the techniques by which they were made (with slides of him replicating the process), and Katrin Thier describing Anglo-Saxon shipbuilding. That last one was particularly interesting because the speaker was with the Oxford English Dictionary, and she made some reasonable conclusions about shipbuilding processes by correlating the available English vocabulary for shipbuilding terms with the few remnants of archaeological finds (and also with Scandinavian practices, terms, and finds, which are better documented because more has survived). Now it's time to work on *next* year's sessions. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 7 23:49:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17713 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:49:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g483bNC25699; Tue, 7 May 2002 21:37:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48201R02790; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g481vpR01884 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:57:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p375-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.193.121] by smtp1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 175GiC-0005LZ-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 13:57:49 +1200 Message-ID: <00b001c1f633$bf869dc0$79c1adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> <013601c1f532$7d1ce4a0$8dd8f1c3@henk> <00d601c1f539$759dc760$bc614ed5@pavilion> <3CD76789.2010903@earthlink.net> <3CD83662.6871A2A2@acs.ryerson.ca> <00bc01c1f611$c3c48e00$46744ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Allergy to wool/RA/history of concrete MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:57:44 +1200 Status: RO > >Actually, allergy to wool has been around forever and it is caused by the > scale > structure of wool irritating the skin > That isn't an allergy it is an irritant. Allergies are bodies defense > mechanisms gone haywire Thank you, I was about to post the same thing. The fact is that human hair too has scales, and it can certainly irritate, but it is not an allergic reaction. It's a mechanical process. Just as the person who posted about lanolin stripping the top layers of skin off ( I've never heard of this but I'm discussing the process of exfoliation rather than the properties of lanolin here anyway;) ) this is irritation not allergy too. This is what I meant before about intolerance and allergies being confused.. too much misinformation in the media, and who's going to read a medical journal I would have watched that history of concrete:). After going to The Globe and finding out what their ground was composed of (the shells of edible nuts make a big part) it got me thinking about how much concrete there in in our modern day cities.. andjust what the difference between concrete, tarmac, asphalt etc actually is and when they were first used. And what difference it makes to the needs of shoes.... And Cynthia J Ley, I too have Rheumatoid Arthritis. I now know three of us on this list with this. I thank my doctor and what ever other powers that be for getting onto it immediately. It was about a month after my first syptoms (I thought my wrist was broken it was that painful) til my first RF test. It was only slightly allevated, but he wrote anyway for an appointment with a specialist. How do you find hand sewing? I've found I cannot do more than say a few hours over two days before my knuckles double in size and I need extra anti-inflamatories and complete rest of the joints. Did your initial flare of RA coincide with a bout of the flu? Mine did. Supporting the idea that it's the immune system mistaking the synovium as an antigen . Answer me off list if you'd rather:). It's the biologist in me that wants to know. Like I said I studied immunology at Uni and RA was one of the subjects. It horrified me at the time.. so to have been hit with my single biggest fear was rather life shattering.. At the time, I'm dealing with it quite well now:) michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce/index.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 01:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18180 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 01:15:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48532C01513; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48531R01944; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4851BR01486 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:01:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m191.in-tch.com [216.166.191.191]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g484mR905461 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 22:48:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CD8B250.49C57974@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: my costume posted (was Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming,some examples References: <4.3.1.2.20020507142424.04d99810@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 23:06:24 -0600 Status: RO Hey, you look pretty good, for a girl with a mustache . Nice costume (insert enthusiastic punctuation here...my keyboard's cranky). --sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >Kayta was gracious enough to let me post the picture of her last renfaire > >outfit on my site as a "Featured Attyre" costume-of-the-week, so now you > >can all check it out! > >http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/feature/feature.html Didn't she do > >a fabulous job?!?!? Thanks Kayta! > > Thank you so much for posting that. It occurred to me that nobody who > doesn't know me has seen my stuff. And till I get a web site of my own, I > can't post anything of my own. > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 02:04:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21397 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 02:04:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g485piC03403; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:51:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g485pfR13910; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:51:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g485mtR13329 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:48:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (dialup-65.59.57.251.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net [65.59.57.251]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g485mrB237402 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 01:48:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD8BBF9.49A224A1@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hawaiian textiles museums References: <3CD77551.700636EC@flash.net> <3CD7F4AB.24AF6881@misc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 00:47:37 -0500 Status: RO Thanks for the pointers. > Theresa Eacker (who is suppressing a sudden envious desire to bolt!!) I have one friend begging me to smuggle him in my luggage. :) --Charlene -- You can fool too many people too much of the time. -- James Thurber _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 02:05:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24038 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 02:05:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g485r1C03450; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g485r0R14262; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g485qZR14153 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:52:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (dialup-65.59.57.251.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net [65.59.57.251]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g485qXB203040 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 01:52:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD8BCD4.49B33B00@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] hygiene References: <3CD77029.7BA468D4@flash.net> <006701c1f5fe$48e2b580$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 00:51:16 -0500 Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: > You know you watch the History Channel too much when they have a program on > the history of concrete. Stop laughing... it really was a show on the > network. Yup, I recorded it. Only watched part of it, though. I had too much else to get caught up on. TIVO has figured out I like documentaries. :) --Charlene -- You can fool too many people too much of the time. -- James Thurber _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 02:56:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14311 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 02:56:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g486i2C05540; Wed, 8 May 2002 00:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g486i0R26299; Wed, 8 May 2002 00:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g486gaR25942 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 00:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A92459501FC; Wed, 08 May 2002 01:43:48 -0500 Message-ID: <012701c1f659$9d969be0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3CD77029.7BA468D4@flash.net> <006701c1f5fe$48e2b580$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3CD8BCD4.49B33B00@flash.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Band Uniforms (changing the title) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 02:28:49 -0400 Status: RO Now you all surprise me! I just saw a vintage magazine on eBay about concrete. You all won't believe some of the menswear magazines I have purchased from eBay in the past two weeks. I am determined to get some menswear on my site. Oh, you'll see them down the road. I am looking for someone who would know what 1920 band uniforms would look like. I purchased a catalog and the dealer said it was 1920s. But I can't find the date on it anywhere. I wrote the dealer back asking him, but he hasn't replied. Most of the uniforms in the catalog are marching band uniforms, and there are a few military uniforms. The retailers name is D. Klien & Bro. from Philadelphia, PA. So if you know anything about this subject, please give me a yell. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 07:19:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16093 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 07:19:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48B74C13955; Wed, 8 May 2002 05:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48B70R19471; Wed, 8 May 2002 05:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48B4YR18945 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 05:04:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHHGC4HMB4001T92@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 May 2002 12:07:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHHGBZ91IY015MW4@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 May 2002 12:07:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 08 May 2002 12:02:45 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 08 May 2002 12:02:32 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.63) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 12:02:23 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] The History of Concrete In-reply-to: <200205072122.g47LMOR27969@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1793FAC4B44@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 12:02:23 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I was sick with the flu... okay! It took me 15 minutes to figure out > what I was watching. When they said the name of the show, I changed > the channel immediately. Never mind, Penny, I was late for work one morning because I got caught up watching an Open University programme on BBC2 on flying buttresses..... Teddy (who has also sat fascinated through tv shows detailing how to injection-mould plastics, how fibreglass boat hulls are made and various other topics covered in Open university courses) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 08:18:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16579 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:18:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48C51C16084; Wed, 8 May 2002 06:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48C50R01805; Wed, 8 May 2002 06:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48C2ZR01131 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 06:02:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVS00ECCK4A55@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 May 2002 05:02:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] The History of Concrete In-reply-to: <1793FAC4B44@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020508045753.00ce3660@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200205072122.g47LMOR27969@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 04:59:00 -0700 Status: RO > > I was sick with the flu... okay! It took me 15 minutes to figure out > > what I was watching. When they said the name of the show, I changed > > the channel immediately. > >Never mind, Penny, I was late for work one morning because I got >caught up watching an Open University programme on BBC2 on >flying buttresses..... Let's get this back on topic - how about the 1930's Mobster's favourite garments: concrete overshoes and cement overcoats ;) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 08:28:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16634 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:28:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48CGgC16671; Wed, 8 May 2002 06:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48CGfR04408; Wed, 8 May 2002 06:16:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48CDpR03791 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 06:13:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g48CDnHx020379 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:13:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] RIT dyes in front-loading washer Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hey, folks, I finally heard back from RIT about using their dyes in the Neptune (front-loading washer). This is what they recommend. Will have to try it and report back :) Cheers, Mara > As long as the tub is stainless or porcelain, you can dye in it. > Add the > pre-mixed dye to the liquid container following with 2 cups of hot > water. > Do the same with liquid dyes. As the washer is filling the dye > will mix. > We have not experienced any problems with these instructions. > > Consumer/Technical Advisor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 09:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17014 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:20:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48D81C19241; Wed, 8 May 2002 07:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48D80R17622; Wed, 8 May 2002 07:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48D5UR16977 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 07:05:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g48D5SHx026273 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:05:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] 18th c. French man's court coat on Ebay Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO When I saw this, I thought of Bjarne's fine work :D http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=2100477508 -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 09:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17113 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:35:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48DN1C19981; Wed, 8 May 2002 07:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48DN0R21847; Wed, 8 May 2002 07:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g48DL9R21226 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 07:21:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020508132107.35292.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:21:07 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th c. French man's court coat on Ebay To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:21:07 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > When I saw this, I thought of Bjarne's fine work :D > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=2100477508 > > -- Mara It's lovely, and of course I saved the pictures staright away but... OHMIGOD that guy is putting the coat on!!!! It's a silk coat, the silk is already shattered in places, dry rot has set in and he's putting it on and flexing and bending his arms and stuff. Makes my lil heart bleed, couldn't he put it carefully just onto a stand... Anyway, I think that Bjarne's embroidery is BETTER! :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 09:38:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17127 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:38:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48DQ1C20146; Wed, 8 May 2002 07:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48DQ1R22680; Wed, 8 May 2002 07:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g48DPqq22630 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 8 May 2002 07:25:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Costume sourcing info Message-ID: <20020508072552.A20209@net.indra.com> References: <16c.d4dca84.2a099e6e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16c.d4dca84.2a099e6e@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:25:52 -0600 Status: RO On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 05:17:34PM -0400, KeckSimba@aol.com wrote: > p.s. also how to I post a question like this so everyone gets it? Actually, the default of the mailing list is to send the reply back to the list. If you've been thinking your replies are only going to the individual, that would explain why we've seen 4-5 almost identical postings from you in the last day or so. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 10:23:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17497 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:23:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48EB2C23025; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48EB0R08619; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48EABR08278 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:10:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020508141005.IVVH10136.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:10:05 +0000 Message-ID: <117c01c1f69a$1ce41270$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: <3CD77029.7BA468D4@flash.net> <006701c1f5fe$48e2b580$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3CD8BCD4.49B33B00@flash.net> <012701c1f659$9d969be0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Band Uniforms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:08:25 -0500 Status: RO There are three sources that are kinda connected to each other and a fourth that I would recommend but I fear you most likely have already found them, but just in case.... This site has book recommendations for men's fashions of that era, (scroll down to the bottom), http://www.nhmccd.edu/contracts/lrc/kc/decade20.html The other two are your local high school archives and the local college archive that was in existence in the 20's. If they had yearbooks you will find great pictures of the men in band uniforms. The same goes for the military. My dad was in the navy in the 50's and they had a military yearbook for their aircraft carrier. I am making the assumption that the military had yearbooks but I have no idea when they started making them. However, when it comes to photo archives the military has them as far back as the invention of the camera. I have a pattern from Simplicity that I cannot find any more in the stores and it is not that old. It is called Team Spirit, Men's cheer squad, drum major, and band uniforms, # 8363. Donna Lang is the designer. If you can find her, you may be able to get more sources since she had to of used older patterns or photos to create these. Hope that helps. :) Sincerely, Chiara Francesca Steppes, Ansteorra Franchesca Havas McKinney, Texas `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°` ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:28 AM Subject: [h-cost] Band Uniforms (changing the title) > Now you all surprise me! I just saw a vintage magazine on eBay about > concrete. > > You all won't believe some of the menswear magazines I have purchased from > eBay in the past two weeks. I am determined to get some menswear on my > site. Oh, you'll see them down the road. > > I am looking for someone who would know what 1920 band uniforms would look > like. I purchased a catalog and the dealer said it was 1920s. But I can't > find the date on it anywhere. I wrote the dealer back asking him, but he > hasn't replied. Most of the uniforms in the catalog are marching band > uniforms, and there are a few military uniforms. The retailers name is D. > Klien & Bro. from Philadelphia, PA. So if you know anything about this > subject, please give me a yell. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 11:29:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18153 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 11:29:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48FHNC29181; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:17:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48FHMR10671; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:17:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g48FBoR07484 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:11:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Wed May 08 10:11:47 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 08 May 2002 10:11:47 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g48FBoR07484 Subject: [h-cost] Fabric Resources: request for help Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:11:37 -0500 Status: RO Does anyone on the list know of any other fabric suppliers that carry the same brocade fabrics that Timeless Textiles does? I have a friend in a real bind for a particular pattern (burgundy & gold, ak017) that they are out of. Thanks, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 12:47:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18865 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:47:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48GZfC08079; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48GZdR26102; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:35:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.228]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48GQvR20962 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 10:26:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marthakelly (24-168-77-136.nyc.rr.com [24.168.77.136]) by nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with SMTP id g48GRrPW025849 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:27:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Band Uniforms (changing the title) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <012701c1f659$9d969be0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:26:38 -0300 Status: RO I have a University of Kentucky yearbook from 1927. The band members are wearing VERY plain uniforms. Dark trousers and a matching military tunic with a mandarin collar. There's a plain military hat with a flat top and a bill. Over this is a very meager (no more than half a circle) wrist-length cape that fastens at the neck and has a simple Peter Pan-ish collar. The cape is, I suspect, UK blue and is bordered in white. Across the chest, in white, are the letters KENT UCKY. The drum major is totally turned out in white pants, extremely tall shako a with tassels and cords and a snappy waist-length coat (I think it has tails) covered in braid. There's a white belt. He's the only one who looks like he stepped out of The Music Man. Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 14:37:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20008 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:37:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48IPMC20600; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48IPLR07087; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:25:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48IG5R01950 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.4f.1d292644 (3983) for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:15:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.1d292644.2a0ac55b@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:15:55 EDT Status: RO Stevie, << But then, by definition, you are not attempting to reproduce a 16th century costume. >> I'm attempting to reproduce the "look" of a 16th Century gown. It is a costume, though, not a museum-quality replica. True. <> Seeing as how I own a real pearl choker, I do have some familiarity with pearls. There are grades of faux pearls, and some are quite realistic. But each to his/her own opinion. <> I'd say "no" resemblence is a bit of an overstatement. My gown will certainly resemble portraits of the era. It's difficult to tell from paint on wood or canvas just which fabrics were worn. However, I agree that it will not accurately recreate extant garments for those who are textile historians, no. I only have $100 to spend on this frivolous item for myself -- because I'm currently buying decorations for my wedding -- so one makes do. For clients willing to pay for the proper materials, including real pearls, I will happily do a more authentic job. I'd so love to do a true reproduction garment! No offense taken, Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 14:55:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20147 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:55:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48IhNC22404; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:43:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48IhMR17467; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:43:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48IX2R11326 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.164.d7070e1 (3983) for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:32:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <164.d7070e1.2a0ac947@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:32:39 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/6/02 2:02:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << I've been concentrating on cooking as authentically as possible, not on costume. Other have been concentrating on music, or brewing, or weapons.... you can't be an expert on everything, there isn't time. >> This is very true in my own barony of the SCA. Another thing I've noticed is that just because you have read all the documents and studied extant garments, doesn't mean you know how to sew (or can sew well). Historically, sewing was much more common because "off-the-rack" retail is a new concept. Even those who didn't sew their own clothes could usually repair them. Today, it's different. Sewing is "recreational" for most; true seamstresses are few and far between. So, modern-day people just don't have sewing skills. There are some very learned folks in my barony that I go to for information on different eras/countries, but many of them still hire me to sew the clothes up for them because I am a seamstress in my mundane life. Others just make their own garb to the best of their sewing ability. I credit them for the effort and the atempt to broaden their skills, even if it means seeing some fairly poor garb at events. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 15:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20259 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:07:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48ItaC23539; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:55:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48ItaR24242; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:55:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48InWR20827 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:49:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.171.d557e2f (3983) for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:49:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <171.d557e2f.2a0acd31@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: linen allergy Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:49:21 EDT Status: RO << I have never before heard of someone being allergic to linen! How does that happen? I thought that linen was almost perfectly neutral and inert, it certainly should have long enough fibers that the prickly ends wouldn't be a problem. I've never felt a decent linen that was the least bit scratchy, although some really cheapo ones which are made with inferior/discards of linen can be a just tad scratchy. >> I have what doctors call "hyper-sensitive skin". I must wash all my clothes in dye-free fragrance-free detergent, and very rarely find a perfume I can wear. If I brush into an Angora sweater on a mall rack, I get hives in 30 seconds flat! Here's something else you may not have heard of: I'm allergic to gold! (My wedding band has o be platinum because of it.) Most people believe gold is inert, but something like 3% of the world is allergic to it. I've only met one other person who was, in my 27 years of life. Luckily, I am not allergic to silver or nickel (whereas nickel is a common metal allergy. Go figure!). Anyway, I once got away with a linen/rayon blend. Rayon made the hand noticeably silkier to the touch, so I'm guessing the allergy is in fact a scratchiness thing. I don't seem to break out from handling it when I sew for others -- just if I wear it and sweat. Then again, since sweat seems to be what starts the rash, maybe it is a chemical thing? I prewash all my fabric, since I'm allergic to many sizing treatments, so it would have to be something that doesn't wash out. I'd love to find out it's something that could be corrected... --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 15:25:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20358 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:25:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48JDNC25211; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:13:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48JDMR04742; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:13:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48J4BR29148 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.11c.10da36aa (3983) for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:03:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.10da36aa.2a0ad097@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Australian pearls? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:03:51 EDT Status: RO << Furthermore, genuine pearls are available from Australia for a very cheap price, though of course using 1500 would not be cheap ever. The Australian ones are freshwater pearls but chosen for their regularity. >> Would you have any contact info for these? I mean, heck, if I can afford real I'll certainly use them on my wedding gown. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 15:31:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20433 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:31:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48JJTC25881; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48JJTR08283; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48JAJR02989 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:10:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from henk (xs241-227-168.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.227.168]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 56D4D36CAE for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:10:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <006601c1f6c3$dacce040$fbf5f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C1F6D2.CE348CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:56:20 +0200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C1F6D2.CE348CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examplesHenk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland H-Costume list Cass wrote: >This is getting a bit out of hand. If you won't play nicely, you'll = have to go take time-out in the corner. Hmm and after reading your sig, = perhaps you should take an antacid too. I would like to remind all of you (and Eliz) that this thread started = with the following message from Kayta: >> >In case anyone wants to see them, here are some recent examples of = SCA >>costuming, taken this past January: >> = >>http://www.keradwc.com/2002010= 5_west12/ >> >> >Even some old Hippies of my SCA acquaintance are dressing better. I merely reacted to what I saw in the above mentioned URL and advised = people who 'play' in the SCA that the result of this type of picture = would be better if people took off their glasses while photographed and = I commented on the ongoing use of non period materials (both in cloth = and costume jewelry) within the SCA, about which I elaborated in a = further post by advising members of said SCA, that if they were not able = to or would not spend the money on aristocratic 'garb', they would do = better to step down the status ladder a bit, because simpler costume is = cheaper to imitate and looks better than re-used curtainmaterial. Some = personal observations, if you like. I've been through this same kind of interchange with SCA members = several times before in the 4 years I'm on this list and I know I should = have been forewarned. I explained I had not slept well when I wrote my = first mail and tend to 'sound' rather stern at these times. I apologised = for that. I know SCA members don't like to hear 'negative' news about their = hobby, and I think I know why. Most of them react with a staggering = degree of agressiveness, which in this case, was out of all proportion = to my rather terse comments, and I was, again (It must be a kind of = naivite on my side), kind of stunned by it. I reacted, hopefully, in a = quiet manner and explained to some where I thought the reader did not = understand me or had not read correctly that which was for all you other = readers quite clear. Just lately I got rather irritated though, about = some funny reasons why silly names were chosen or why the people of the = Western Kingdom's Feast of Kings were photographed (which reasons some = of you tried to explain in a far more subdued manner than others). Look, it could be because I'm not a native English speaker, but I = think some SCAdians deliberately read things in what I write which are = surely not in there. I do know, that I have had enough of it. Reactions = as the above I can do without. I've grown to old for this shit. Since about a year I don;t read much in the H-Costume list that really = interests me. I also cannot spare the time anymore to wait around until = Robin, Susan, Heather, the Cynthia's and others write about medieval = cothing and I cannot contribute much anymore as well, being a very busy = self-employed businessman. So here I say farewell to you all. I've = learned a lot, also about other costume than medieval and thank those = who enlightened me for it. I leave the SCA following their Dream and = wish them pleasant ones, but let me say that I think that the underlying = principle of the society does not give the study of history much of a = boost. I fact: I think it causes the reverse effect, not withstanding = the few percents who really try to get more 'authentic' (whom I wish all = the luck they so deserve). Regards, Henk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "The role of the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better = nation is one that is often neglected by historians" T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London (etc.), 1998, p. 358 (note) ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C1F6D2.CE348CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some = examples
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

H-Costume list
 
Cass wrote:
>This is getting a bit out of hand. If = you won’t=20 play nicely, you’ll have to go take time-out in the corner. Hmm = and after=20 reading your sig, perhaps you should take an antacid = too.
I would like to remind all of you (and Eliz) that this thread = started=20 with the following message from Kayta:
 
>> >In case anyone wants to see them, here are some = recent=20 examples of SCA
>>costuming, taken this past=20 January:
>>
>><http://www.keradwc.com/2= 0020105_west12/>http://www.keradwc.com/2= 0020105_west12/
>>
>>=20 >Even some old Hippies of my SCA acquaintance are dressing=20 better.
I merely reacted to what I saw in the above mentioned URL and = advised=20 people who 'play' in the SCA that the result of this type of picture = would be=20 better if people took off their glasses while photographed and I = commented on=20 the ongoing use of non period materials (both in cloth and costume = jewelry)=20 within the SCA, about which I elaborated in a further post by advising = members=20 of said SCA, that if they were not able to or would not spend the = money on=20 aristocratic 'garb', they would do better to step down the status = ladder a=20 bit, because simpler costume is cheaper to imitate and looks better = than=20 re-used curtainmaterial. Some personal observations, if you = like.
 
I've been through this same kind of interchange with SCA members = several=20 times before in the 4 years I'm on this list and I know I should have = been=20 forewarned. I explained I had not slept well when I wrote my first = mail and=20 tend to 'sound' rather stern at these times. I apologised for = that.
 
I know SCA members don't like to hear 'negative' news about their = hobby,=20 and I think I know why. Most of them react with a staggering = degree=20 of agressiveness, which in this case, was out of all proportion to my = rather=20 terse comments, and I was, again (It must be a kind of naivite on my = side),=20 kind of stunned by it. I reacted, hopefully, in a quiet manner and = explained=20 to some where I thought the reader did not understand me or had not=20 read correctly that which was for all you other readers quite = clear. Just=20 lately I got rather irritated though, about some funny reasons why = silly names=20 were chosen or why the people of the Western Kingdom's Feast of Kings = were=20 photographed (which reasons some of you tried to explain in a far more = subdued=20 manner than others).
 
Look, it could be because I'm not a native English speaker, but I = think=20 some SCAdians deliberately read things in what I write which are = surely not in=20 there. I do know, that I have had enough of it. Reactions as the above = I can=20 do without. I've grown to old for this shit.
 
Since about a year I don;t read much in the H-Costume list that = really=20 interests me. I also cannot spare the time anymore to wait around = until=20 Robin, Susan, Heather, the Cynthia's and others write about medieval = cothing=20 and I cannot contribute much anymore as well, being a very busy = self-employed=20 businessman. So here I say farewell to you all. I've learned a lot, = also about=20 other costume than medieval and thank those who enlightened me for it. = I leave=20 the SCA following their Dream and wish them pleasant ones, but let me = say that=20 I think that the underlying principle of the society does not give the = study=20 of history much of a boost. I fact: I think it causes the reverse = effect,=20 not withstanding the few percents who really try to get more = 'authentic' (whom=20 I wish all the luck they so deserve).
 
Regards,
 
 
Henk
 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The = role of=20 the lower intestine in the efforts to build a better nation
is one = that is=20 often neglected by historians"
T. Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum, London = (etc.),=20 1998, p. 358 (note)
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C1F6D2.CE348CC0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 16:26:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21244 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:26:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48KENC01866; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48KELR10088; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48K4uR04621 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.b7.203f00c4 (3983) for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:04:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: SCA heralds and period names (although getting off-topic) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:04:39 EDT Status: RO << The HERALDS are getting better!!!!!???? I beg your pardon! Who in the world do you think submits God Buda Odinson (okay, THAT was a heraldic joke that can be documented), or Fairylee Glamora Gossimer Nightshade! >> ROTFLMAO!! << Not the Heralds. It's the populace, and they get pissed as h*ll when someone has the effrontery to tell them no, or even suggest that they (note THEY! NOT THE HERALDS) should do some research on a period name. >> I think what Elisabeth meant by better is that the heralds are taking a more aggressive role in educating the populace before they submit such lousey names, or after someone's first choice gets rejected. They certainly are in my barony. It was like, "Oh, you're new? Welcome! Have you chosen a persona name yet? Here's a list of websites and books with period names. Do you have a preference of century and country? Oh, Elizabethan England? Good! Here's 3 websites with documentable names to get you started..." I got jumped on the first week! *laugh* But that was totally great for me. I can't imagine how long it would've taken me to find a name on my own. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 16:32:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21259 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:32:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48KKNC02446; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:20:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48KKMR13791; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48KCFR08900 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:12:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.126.231]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g48KCDh26884 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:12:14 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen allergy Message-ID: <3CD925BE.8359.E3ADBF5@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <171.d557e2f.2a0acd31@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:18:54 -0700 Status: RO > Then again, since sweat seems to be what starts the rash, > maybe it is a chemical thing? I prewash all my fabric, since I'm > allergic to many sizing treatments, so it would have to be something > that doesn't wash out. While things like sizings will wash out, the formaldehyde reaction I mentioned in a previous post is a permanent bonding of the formaldehyde to the fibre. As to skin reactions, they are due to the skin being hypersensitive. That hypersensitivity can be to friction (such as scratchiness), chemical reactions or allergies. The allergists I work with call it "twitchiness". There are people who get hives from a gentle stroke of the skin (called dermatographia) and imagine what something scratchier can do! Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 16:32:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21263 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:32:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48KKSC02479; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48KKSR13879; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12802.mail.yahoo.com (web12802.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g48KDKR09495 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:13:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020508201319.78255.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.18.199.196] by web12802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 13:13:19 PDT From: Truly Biggs To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020507160517.33090.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] my list of amusements Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I once thought of writing a paper about all of the things that I have been told "aren't period" (Note that no particular era was specified) Since most of these things were told to me at SCA events - I will assume that "period" means anywhere from 400 AD to 1603 AD. That said - here is my list - and I hope that it amuses: Hats (my favorite!) Pockets Buttons (hmmmmm) Spectacles Knit fabric (fine gauge - like hose) Hooks and eyes silk (gotta Love that!) finished seams (that one too) plaid (wow) Waistbands for women (presented in a previous post Smocking Cross-stitch (I saw it myself in the clothing room of the MMA with a magnifying glass!) purple dye off-the-rack clothing faux pearls and gems fake hair underwear (breeches) other non-clothing issues: women who own shops Female bards harps (no type specified - just harps in general) Carriages Saddles with pommels Can anyone add to my list? Truly __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 16:51:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21362 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:51:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48KcmC04642; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:38:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48KclR25497; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:38:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BYHU.star2.net (secure.star2.net [65.89.75.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48KVbR20979 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bently (unverified [64.24.187.147]) by BYHU.star2.net (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.200) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:31:11 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c1f6cf$446334e0$93bb1840@bently> From: "David" To: References: <20020508201319.78255.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:30:59 -0700 Status: RO How about nails, to which, of course, the proper response is, "What do you think they nailed Jesus to the cross with?" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Truly Biggs" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: [h-cost] my list of amusements > I once thought of writing a paper about all of the things that I have been > told "aren't period" > > (Note that no particular era was specified) > > Since most of these things were told to me at SCA events - I will assume > that "period" means anywhere from 400 AD to 1603 AD. > > That said - here is my list - and I hope that it amuses: > > > Hats (my favorite!) > Pockets > Buttons (hmmmmm) > Spectacles > Knit fabric (fine gauge - like hose) > Hooks and eyes > silk (gotta Love that!) > finished seams (that one too) > plaid (wow) > Waistbands for women (presented in a previous post > Smocking > Cross-stitch (I saw it myself in the clothing room of the MMA with a > magnifying glass!) > purple dye > off-the-rack clothing > faux pearls and gems > fake hair > underwear (breeches) > > other non-clothing issues: > women who own shops > Female bards > harps (no type specified - just harps in general) > Carriages > Saddles with pommels > > Can anyone add to my list? > > Truly > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 16:57:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21389 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:57:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48KjSC05350; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:45:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48KjQR29478; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:45:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx1.famvid.com (a.mx.famvid.com [208.16.68.101] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g48KdUR25905 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:39:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 21944 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 19:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jeanne) (207.40.100.62) by mx1.famvid.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 19:46:40 -0000 Message-ID: <05b401c1f6d0$ad313c00$1d6428cf@jeanne> From: "Jeanne Harney" To: References: <171.d557e2f.2a0acd31@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen allergy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:40:58 -0400 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: Here's something else you may not have heard of: I'm > allergic to gold! (My wedding band has o be platinum because of it.) Most > people believe gold is inert, but something like 3% of the world is allergic > to it. I've only met one other person who was, in my 27 years of life. Make that two. And I've had the scratch tests to prove it from an allergist. Jeanne whose wedding band was hand-made in 14th century casting style, in sterling silver. Cost us $42 for both bands. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 17:28:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21854 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:28:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48LFNC08733; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:15:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48LFMR18085; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48L61R12342 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.212]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020508210559.QKXP6079.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:05:59 +0200 Message-ID: <3CD99348.E502D06C@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th c. French man's court coat on Ebay References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 23:06:16 +0200 Status: RO Hello Thanks a lot for this. Yes it looks very like my suit, even the colour two. It will be finished in 2 months...........Yuppiee yahooooooo Bjarne Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > When I saw this, I thought of Bjarne's fine work :D > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=2100477508 > > -- Mara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 17:46:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21980 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:46:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48LYQC10982; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:34:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48LYOR29702; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:34:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g48LQGR24452 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020508212615.80862.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:26:15 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020508201319.78255.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 22:26:15 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Truly Biggs wrote: > I once thought of writing a paper about all of the things that I have been > told "aren't period" > > (Note that no particular era was specified) That's impossible then. As if there were no difference between 400 and a mere thousand years later 1400. > Since most of these things were told to me at SCA events - I will assume > that "period" means anywhere from 400 AD to 1603 AD. > > That said - here is my list - and I hope that it amuses: *rubs hands* sooo.... if I had time, which I have not, I could probably amuse myself indeed with dissecting the list below according to date, place, social place, circumstance, and goodness me whatever else. :-) Like this it would have to be 'depends' after each entry, and yes, it depends on many factors which sometimes makes those items indeed 'not period'. > Hats (my favorite!) Men or women? > Pockets True, true, no pockets whatsoever in Anglo-Saxon clothing of the period I research. > Buttons (hmmmmm) See above, but... button-similar metal objects in a Scandinavian grave of the 5th century. Though not functioning as buttons, positioned at the wrists. > Spectacles Which dat again, it depends and their shape and function of course. The modern glorious idea of spectacles with sides doesn't come in before the 1720s. > Knit fabric (fine gauge - like hose) Ahhhh, knitting is relatively young. > Hooks and eyes hehe, well.. guess what, it depends. :-))) > silk (gotta Love that!) hmm.. well... the amount of silk, even in a royal grave, is in appr. the 7th century Anglo-saxon still acutely minimal, so in a way 'nor period' for anyone below a king. hehe. > finished seams (that one too) *ROTFLMAO* now THAT is a gooden. > plaid (wow) That one too. > Waistbands for women (presented in a previous post waistbands? as in things one stitches the skirt onto? sheesh. > Smocking me-not-know-nuffin > Cross-stitch (I saw it myself in the clothing room of the MMA with a > magnifying glass!) tscha, but what kind... > purple dye Certainly available, what else were the stripes on a Roman senator's toga, but then again not wearable for anyone who wasn't clergy for a loooong looong time. which is a terrible shame because I had found the most stunning purple silk and gold metal brocade in Russia. *pout* > off-the-rack clothing depends... I could write a lot about that for the 17th c but I shall refrain. > faux pearls and gems This I hand over to Stevie because she knows a lot about that. > fake hair *LOL* the oldest beauty method... > underwear (breeches) very very young idea indeed, I agree with the questioneer that underwear is a very modern concept. > other non-clothing issues: > women who own shops aha! now that is interesting, have just been to a conference this saturday at christ church uni, and many of the speakers dealt with that. under certain circumstances, yes. (talking about london here) and they went back to the 14th century. > Female bards I have never heard of any female bard. Enlighten me. What is understand under bard anyway. > harps (no type specified - just harps in general) now that is poorly by the questioneer, because we have a couple of replica harps/lyres at home which are replicated from surviving fragments, one 6th and another 8th century. > Carriages yeah, right, and one walks beside the horse. ;-) > Saddles with pommels know nuffin again > Can anyone add to my list? oh yes! We were once asked when in early 6th century Anglo-saxon kit "ah, but you're cheating, aren't you? they didn't have women in those times..." AHRGH! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 17:52:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22144 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:52:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48LeNC11715; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48LeMR03385; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:40:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f269.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.144]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48LV6R27182 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:31:01 -0700 Received: from 63.162.162.1 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 21:31:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.162.162.1] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen allergy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2002 21:31:01.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[A658BF00:01C1F6D7] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 21:31:00 +0000 Status: RO Out of curiosity, if it's a permanent bonding, then how can it cause a reaction? I was under the impression that a permanent bond was just that - permanent. Meaning it was less likely to be broken and so be reactive. Perhaps you just mean it's not a water-soluble bond, but is saline soluble? Mary/Katerine >While things like sizings will wash out, the formaldehyde reaction I >mentioned in a previous post is a permanent bonding of the >formaldehyde to the fibre. > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 18:04:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22261 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:04:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48LqYC13004; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:52:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48LqVR10510; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:52:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailjaya.creighton.edu (MailjayA.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48Li7R05527 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by mailjaya.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA19991 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:44:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000a01c1f6d9$9c8ce4e0$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <3CD99348.E502D06C@post12.tele.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] beading on Worth 1890's gowns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:44:54 -0500 Status: RO I have a doll-sized pattern of a copy of a circa 1894 Worth ball gown as pictured in Harper's Bazaar. The original calls for ciel blue silk and black fur trim. I have had some beautiful black bunny fur stashed and finally found some sky-blue silk that is both opaque, but thin, crisp and smooth. The description of the beading of the gown does not give the color(s) of the beads. The beading design is of iris flowers on long leafed stalks and the design is outline only, not a filled-in set of motifs. I've looked in my books for any color pictures of circa 1890's Worth ball gowns that would inform me for certain whether Worth beading of this type was done in colors, or was white or clear. I was thinking of doing the beading with size 014 glass beads in pale clear green and the flowers in clear white and clear mauve or purple. But is a single color like white, clear or even a clear blue to match the gown color more authentic? I live no where near a museum with a collection or even a single Worth gown. Many thanks Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 18:10:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22313 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:10:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48LwLC13674; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:58:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48LwLR14129; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:58:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12807.mail.yahoo.com (web12807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g48Ll4R07228 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020508214703.88653.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.18.199.196] by web12807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:47:03 PDT From: Truly Biggs Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020508212615.80862.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO > > > Female bards > > I have never heard of any female bard. Enlighten me. What is understand > under > bard anyway.Perhaps the term bard is indeed the problem - but Hmmmm....Marie de France is a fine example of precisely the sort of musician/composer/performer that the person who told me that did not know about. I won't go on ad nauseum - she has several websites about her. Plus - she has nothing to do with costume : ) Truly __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 18:16:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22337 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:16:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48M4aC14436; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:04:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48M4YR17831; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f244.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.244]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48LuuR13284 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:56:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:56:51 -0700 Received: from 129.244.6.95 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 21:56:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.95] From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2002 21:56:51.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[42233980:01C1F6DB] Subject: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:56:50 -0500 Status: RO I must have fallen asleep .. isn't this a place where any extended discussion of the SCA was pretty much frowned on? Some do a good job with their clothes, some don't. That pretty much covers it. Can we get past this? Marc _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 18:52:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22489 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:52:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48MeVC18057; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:40:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48MeUR08766; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:40:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f276.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.151]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48MXGR03908 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:33:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:33:11 -0700 Received: from 205.163.11.113 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:33:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.163.11.113] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2002 22:33:11.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[559B1AA0:01C1F6E0] Subject: [h-cost] Pearl Supplier Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:33:10 +0000 Status: RO Gillian, I have seen freshwater pearls that are very well shaped at Fire Mountain Gems. You can order their free catalog from the website or order online. I personally have not purchased anything from them, but my parents are goldsmiths and have used FMG quite frequently with great success. Their site is: http://www.firemountaingems.com/ I don't know if their prices will fall into your budget, but check it out anyway. It's like Christmas to get their catalog! I am in no way associated with this company. I just like to pass on a good deal when possible. :) good luck with the dress! :) jessica _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 18:58:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22512 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:58:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48MkNC18638; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48MkNR12003; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.99main.com (mail.99main.com [208.28.184.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48MabR05749 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:36:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99main.com (max4-191.99main.com [208.28.186.191]) by mail.99main.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/000116) with ESMTP id SAA05322 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD9A800.DE0285B0@99main.com> From: marilyn traber X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD EBM-Compaq (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen allergy/gold allergy References: <171.d557e2f.2a0acd31@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 18:34:40 -0400 Status: RO Make tat 2 pepl ;-) I am allergic to gold as well. I found out the hard way - my earlobes en-hived about 10 minutes after I put a pair of very expensive 18 k earrings in [my mom's jade and pearl drop earrings - would have looked absolutely fabulous wih my seafoam green italian renn ;-( ] margali -- ~~~~~ The Quote Starts Here: > I've only met one other person who was, in my 27 years of > life. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 19:16:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22572 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 19:16:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48N4NC20377; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:04:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48N4MR21334; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:04:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48MuUR17121 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 16:56:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.124.24]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g48MuSt08352 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:56:28 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen allergy Message-ID: <3CD94C3E.29087.ED143D1@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:03:10 -0700 Status: RO > >While things like sizings will wash out, the formaldehyde reaction I > >mentioned in a previous post is a permanent bonding of the > >formaldehyde to the fibre. > Out of curiosity, if it's a permanent bonding, then how can it cause a > reaction? I was under the impression that a permanent bond was just > that - permanent. Meaning it was less likely to be broken and so be > reactive. Perhaps you just mean it's not a water-soluble bond, but is > saline soluble? In an allergy, there is no part of the molecule which is removed and then does something to the body. The body reacts to the allergenic part while it is attached. Think of the ability to have an allergy like a keyhole. The key (the formaldehyde part) is welded to the bigger part (the fibre), but the key works even better because it's easier to manipulate when it's attached to something. So, the formaldehyde does indeed form a permanent (non-soluble in anything) bond with the fibre, which actually makes it *more* likely to cause allergies than if it was all by itself. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 19:34:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22670 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 19:34:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g48NMOC22046; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:22:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48NMLR29789; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g48NDpR26061 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:13:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.3c.1df99b02 (4534) for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 19:13:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Morses3@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.1df99b02.2a0b0b27@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] beading on Worth 1890's gowns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3c.1df99b02.2a0b0b27_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10559 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:13:43 EDT Status: RO --part1_3c.1df99b02.2a0b0b27_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cindy, there might be something in the photos at this site from the Museum of the City of New York from their collection of Worth dresses that will help.... http://www.mcny.org/worth.htm Good luck! Gervase --part1_3c.1df99b02.2a0b0b27_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cindy, there might be something in the photos at this site from the Museum of the City of New York from their collection of Worth dresses that will help....

http://www.mcny.org/worth.htm

Good luck!

Gervase --part1_3c.1df99b02.2a0b0b27_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 20:40:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23105 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:40:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g490SOC26744; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:28:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g490SLR25015; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:28:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g490JPR22083 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:19:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id RAA09761 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200205090038.RAA09761@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO [from the list of "non-period" things] > purple dye Depends on how you define this. _Violet_ dyes were uncommon. There were quite a few different cheap alternatives to cochineal for the "royal" red-purple of the period. One of the other dyers on the list came up with a period text full of cheap alternatives to what we were taught to think of as expensive dyes. By the elizabethan period, there was a whole market out there for cheaper dyestuffs. Now, that doesn't mean that _everyone_ would wear those colors, but certainly the merchant-class wore them. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 21:04:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23216 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:04:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g490qZC27997; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:52:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g490qZR03133; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:52:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g490gtR29847 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 18:42:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p62.directcon.net [209.79.209.111]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g490glUX022681; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:42:48 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020508165747.03856220@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-Reply-To: <200205090038.RAA09761@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:57:47 -0700 Status: RO At 05:38 PM 05/08/2002 -0700, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: >[from the list of "non-period" things] >> purple dye > >Depends on how you define this. _Violet_ dyes were uncommon. >There were quite a few different cheap alternatives to cochineal >for the "royal" red-purple of the period. One of the other dyers >on the list came up with a period text full of cheap alternatives >to what we were taught to think of as expensive dyes. By the elizabethan >period, there was a whole market out there for cheaper dyestuffs. Oh, good, because the fabric I just dyed for my new Elizabethan middle class gown came out, not the deep purplish blue I was trying for, but a rather brisk violet. It's outside drying on the lawn, and the contrast is so pretty I've decided to give it a grass green forepart and sleeves. What can I say, I'm just not a subtle person. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 22:40:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23525 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:40:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g492SMC03320; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:28:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g492SLR02697; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:28:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g492HiR29217 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:17:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2172.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.172]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15246 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:15:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD9DBB9.2ECBAB4@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCAcostuming) References: <004201c1f54a$37c9c680$11d9adcb@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:15:22 -0400 Status: RO Hi. Just a side note on the pearl issue. I have to find the source, but I had read a report from New Spain in the 16th cent. that described the pearl fisheries off the coast of (Central or South) America, describing pearls the size of hen's eggs. Even if 16th Cent. hens laid much smaller eggs than today, that's still something to crow about ;). The descriptions also mention hundreds of the Spanish variant of pounds being shipped both in the 16th and 17th cents. These pearl beds have been since fished out... The Swedes in early 17th Cent. New Jersey and Pennsylvania describe seing very large shells, and archaeological reports from the Chesapeake show dwindling sizes of shellfish starting from the beginning of European colonization. I believe that there was a time where these large pearls could be had in abundance, but we greedy humans did unrepairable damage to the ecosystem through our ignorance and greed. Mike T. > > > If you look at the sheer number of enormous pearls in portraiture (and this > includes later on in 17thC art of *non* aristocracy) there must have been a > large number of fakes. The number of naturally occuring pearls of that size, > let alone regularity (some artistic licence taken into account also) would > never natch up to what is seen. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 22:58:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23583 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:58:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g492kMC04244; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:46:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g492kMR07819; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:46:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g492eRR06146 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.19f.1f82ee0 (3314) for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:40:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <19f.1f82ee0.2a0b3b8f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen allergy To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19f.1f82ee0.2a0b3b8f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 22:40:15 EDT Status: RO --part1_19f.1f82ee0.2a0b3b8f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/8/02 11:56:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Azelana@aol.com writes: > I have what doctors call "hyper-sensitive skin". I must wash all my clothes > > in dye-free fragrance-free detergent, and very rarely find a perfume I can > wear. If I brush into an Angora sweater on a mall rack, I get hives in 30 > seconds flat! Here's something else you may not have heard of: I'm > allergic to gold! (My wedding band has o be platinum because of it.) Most > > people believe gold is inert, but something like 3% of the world is > allergic > to it. I've only met one other person who was, in my 27 years of life. > Luckily, I am not allergic to silver or nickel (whereas nickel is a common > metal allergy. Go figure!). I understand totally I am also allergic to gold...within 1 minute I break out in blisters whereever it touches. But the best one is being allergic to tylenol. I am very good at reading any label on any med I buy. Osmondia --part1_19f.1f82ee0.2a0b3b8f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/8/02 11:56:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Azelana@aol.com writes:


I have what doctors call "hyper-sensitive skin".  I must wash all my clothes
in dye-free fragrance-free detergent, and very rarely find a perfume I can
wear.  If I brush into an Angora sweater on a mall rack, I get hives in 30
seconds flat!   Here's something else you may not have heard of:  I'm
allergic to gold!  (My wedding band has o be platinum because of it.)  Most
people believe gold is inert, but something like 3% of the world is allergic
to it.  I've only met one other person who was, in my 27 years of life. 
Luckily, I am not allergic to silver or nickel (whereas nickel is a common
metal allergy.  Go figure!).


I understand totally I am also allergic to gold...within 1 minute I break out in blisters whereever it touches.  But the best one is being allergic to tylenol.  I am very good at reading any label on any med I buy.

Osmondia --part1_19f.1f82ee0.2a0b3b8f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 23:34:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23694 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:34:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g493MMC06313; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:22:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g493MLR18256; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g493GdR16752 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2172.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.172]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00980 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:14:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD9E985.74B0F43E@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] more specs References: <200205070914.g479EMR15603@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 23:14:13 -0400 Status: RO Hi, I certainly don't qualify as an expert, but the Guevara spectacles are of the sort that come from that period. I sent Drea some docs a while back about an excavated pair from (I think) the 1540s-1570s, which were just the sit-on-the-nose type, but additional stability was achieved with the addition of loops of cord or perhaps ribbon from the temple position around the ears, as is seen in the painting, in some cases (such as a person with a sharp, non-fleshy nose such as myself). Since textiles do not generally survive well under most conditions, it is possible that some of the excavated spectacles had cords (not solid earpieces like modern glasses). In fact, the position of the wire/rivet holding the frames around the lenses suggests this possibility. I have not yet reproduced the frames, however, so the real use of this positioning is still conjectural to me. Again, the differences from modern spectacles is as follows; They were most probably for only part-time wear, in fact, the inclusion of them in the painting at all most probably alluded to the Cardinal's need to have himself portrayed as a scholar (we think of paintings sometimes as like snapshots, but they were more like graduation or wedding photos, posed to show the sitter at their best, with all of the attendant symbolism, in the same way that saints of this period were portrayed with their attributes, or the tools of their martyrdom, etc.). The lenses were (as the painter has shown the eyes) magnifying, the cords behind the ears were probably a bit annoying after a while, sweaty, dirty and chafing, and the lenses certainly couldn't be maintained at the proper angle and plane to satisfy a modern optometrist that vision correction was being achieved. Aside from these things, the painting is a great example of a person of that period wearing spectacles. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 23:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23725 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:46:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g493YPC07025; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g493YNR21951; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g493QvR19706 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:26:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g493QsmL022102 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:26:55 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1F6CF.80177A50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Schluessel Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:32:41 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1F6CF.80177A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examplesI may have misquoted Master Wilhelm's name (Wilhelm was a period name I believe). It may well Wilhelm von der Schluessel. His mundane name is William Keys. As a place name one of my favorite towns in Bavaria is Schluesselfeld, and there is a Schluesselberg up in the corner of Nordrhein-Westfalen and Niedersachsen between Hannover and Osnabrueck. Schluessel is also a real favorite Gasthaus name around Worms which has a key on its ancient arms (just got back from Germany and had to cross the Rhein bridge every day back into Worms). Yes, this was over 20 years ago, and documentation was required even then for a name. Mine was particularly necessary to document, as you might imagine. Still have it around here someplace. Regina Romsey (Romsey had a Royal Abbey in 980, at least one of the townswomen who gave to the place was named Regina.) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Cassandra Greer Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:42 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples Yo Henk! I think you missed your nap again today! Cass :) You wrote: > My name went through during the tenure of Wilhelm von Schluessel and I had to have three sources showing common usage. Wilhelm von Schluessel? WILHELM VON SCHLUESSEL? That's a historic german name? I Henk ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1F6CF.80177A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some = examples
I may=20 have misquoted Master Wilhelm's name (Wilhelm was a period name I=20 believe).  It may well Wilhelm von der Schluessel.  His = mundane name=20 is William Keys.   As a place name one of my favorite towns in = Bavaria=20 is Schluesselfeld, and there is a Schluesselberg up in the corner of=20 Nordrhein-Westfalen and Niedersachsen between Hannover and = Osnabrueck. =20 Schluessel is also a real favorite Gasthaus name around Worms which has = a key on=20 its ancient arms (just got back from Germany and had to cross the Rhein = bridge=20 every day back into Worms).
 
 
Yes,=20 this was over 20 years ago, and documentation was required even then for = a=20 name.  Mine was particularly necessary to document, as you might=20 imagine.  Still have it around here someplace.
 
Regina=20 Romsey
(Romsey had a Royal Abbey in 980, at least one of the = townswomen who gave=20 to the place was named Regina.)
-----Original Message-----
From: = h-costume-admin@indra.com=20 [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Cassandra=20 Greer
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:42 AM
To:=20 h-costume@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA=20 costuming, some examples

Yo=20 Henk!

I think you missed your nap again today!

Cass=20 :)
You wrote:
> My name went through during = the tenure=20 of Wilhelm von
Schluessel and I had to have three sources = showing=20 common usage.
Wilhelm von Schluessel? WILHELM VON SCHLUESSEL? = That's a=20 historic german name?=20 = I
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 Henk
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1F6CF.80177A50-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 23:52:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23766 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:52:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g493eQC07358; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g493ePR23740; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g493TCR20427 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:29:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p205-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.212.205] by smtp4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 175ec6-0001Ed-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:29:06 +1200 Message-ID: <001e01c1f709$aaac27e0$cdd4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <171.d557e2f.2a0acd31@aol.com> <05b401c1f6d0$ad313c00$1d6428cf@jeanne> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen allergy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:21:01 +1200 Status: RO I chould talk about allergies first.. I got too involved in chemicals (re gold being 'inert') that people might turn away. Not that I've had any feed back on my posts anyway so I wouldn't really know if they were being read anyway;) http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic25.htm This is anaphylaxis, which is what I experienced with the flax seed oil. Horrifying at the time. I only had this reaction when I actually ingested the oil. I can apply it to my legs for muscle cramp with no adverse reaction. It might also be that I use it sparingly and infrequently too. There is a good explanation of what happens, but I'm looking for a more general text: http://allergy.mcg.edu/advice/urtic.html Explains there is a difference between allergic reaction and non allergic urticaria (hives) http://www.fpnotebook.com/DER16.htm this is bringing back memories something fierce... hastily scribbling notes IgE, IgG, IgM...B cells, T cells.... sigh. All I need now is to find a diagram;) http://rex.nci.nih.gov/PATIENTS/INFO_TEACHER/bookshelf/NIH_immune/html/imm13 .html well look what I found;) Do have a look around if you want to know about immunology. It's exremely facinating as to just how complex our various defence systems are. And of course, with increased complexity comes an increased chance for things to go > Here's something else you may not have heard of: I'm > > allergic to gold! (My wedding band has o be platinum because of it.) > Most > > people believe gold is inert, but something like 3% of the world is > allergic > > to it. I've only met one other person who was, in my 27 years of > life. Inert is a chemical term, argon helium etc are in a column of the periodic table of the elements. Technically gold isn't inert, http://www.csrri.iit.edu/periodic-table.html The row on the far right, Helium, Neon, Argon et al are inert. Gold does react chemically, it just doesn't oxidise at any rate like iron, copper etc. See how Gold and silver are in the same column too, Au and Ag. Both do form compounds, and gold salt are used in the treatment of RA. I remember being taught at high school that if you bolt a bar of gold and a bar of silver together, over time they will bond and become inseperable. This however is not a chemical reaction, just the movements of the atoms (simplifying here I know physicists) that cause the surfaces to heet and merge. I think it was as an example of how an alloy is a mixture of metals, and not a chemical process. Chemistry and biology do overlap considerably, seeing as we are basically made up of a mulitude of molecules and they have chemical interactions. I escaped doing stage two chem, stage one organic and inorganic papers were plenty enought. My lab coat still reeks of the chemicals we used. Not that bio was much safer;). We delt with a number of carcinogens and dyes. And some stuff called fly nap. No the flies do not have a nice sleep, they died. I felt rather abused when I discovered that;) And getting flies with eyes on their wings just never really made me happy either. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 8 23:52:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23770 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:52:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g493eYC07376; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:40:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g493eWR23799; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:40:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g493TKR20464 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p205-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.212.205] by smtp4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 175ec8-0001Ed-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:29:08 +1200 Message-ID: <001f01c1f709$ab176cd0$cdd4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen allergy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:28:24 +1200 Status: RO > Out of curiosity, if it's a permanent bonding, then how can it cause a > reaction? I was under the impression that a permanent bond was just that - > permanent. Meaning it was less likely to be broken and so be reactive. > Perhaps you just mean it's not a water-soluble bond, but is saline soluble? There isn't actually a chemical reaction on the end of the allergen. it's the body that has the reaction. I suppose you could compare it to a catalyst, ie triggers the reaction, but isn't used up/altered in the process. I think the resulting urticaria is of the non allergic kind: http://allergy.mcg.edu/advice/urtic.html http://www.fpnotebook.com/DER16.htm Because it's a known irritant.... I remember the Urban Myth of someone buying second hand clothes that were taken from corpses and were covered in formaldahyde... it caused paranoia and the fear that second hand clothes were harmful. *rolls eyes*. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 00:28:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23907 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 00:28:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g494GNC08989; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g494GLR04043; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:16:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g494AFR02382 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:10:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id VAA18565 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:29:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200205090429.VAA18565@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCAcostuming) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO leigh tartaglio wrote: [...] > These pearl beds have been since fished out... The Swedes in early 17th Cent. > New Jersey and Pennsylvania describe seing very large shells, and archaeological > reports from the Chesapeake show dwindling sizes of shellfish starting from the > beginning of European colonization. I believe that there was a time where these > large pearls could be had in abundance, but we greedy humans did unrepairable > damage to the ecosystem through our ignorance and greed. Mike T. So you're saying that Arlo Guthrie's tale about "giant humongous clams" is actually true... [After Arlo got tired of singing Alice's Restaurant" over and over again, he replaced it with a wandering tale about the first settlers in America encountering clams so huge that they had feet. ">SNAP< And that was one less kid for America, and one smilin' smirkin' giant humongous clam!"] Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 00:40:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23965 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 00:40:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g494SNC09523; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:28:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g494SMR07227; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:28:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g494MsR05710 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:22:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A9E838D0242; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:24:08 -0500 Message-ID: <00bc01c1f711$1a695560$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Sad News Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:22:16 -0400 Status: RO Kevyn Aucoin makeup artist has died from a brain tumor at 40 y.o. Many of us first saw Kevyn on Oprah doing makeovers. He was bet know for doing makeup for the stars. He was also author of three books, "Face Forward," "Making Faces," and "The Art of Makeup." For a full article go to http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020508/ap_wo_en_ge/us_ob it_aucoin_1 Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 00:46:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23980 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 00:46:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g494YNC09821; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g494YMR08871; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g494SvR07435 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:28:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AB546BF018E; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:30:12 -0500 Message-ID: <00dc01c1f711$f2946240$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3c.1df99b02.2a0b0b27@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] beading on Worth 1890's gowns MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C1F6F0.6B14E540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:28:19 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C1F6F0.6B14E540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a museum catalog for that Worth exhibit on ebay right now! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C1F6F0.6B14E540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C1F6F0.6B14E540-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 00:58:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23997 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 00:58:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g494kNC10337; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g494kMR12477; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:46:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g494eER10883 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 11984 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 04:38:43 -0000 Received: from tnt0-080028.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.80.28) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 9 May 2002 04:38:43 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020508234517.00a04c80@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] The History of Concrete In-Reply-To: <1793FAC4B44@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200205072122.g47LMOR27969@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 23:47:31 -0500 Status: RO >Never mind, Penny, I was late for work one morning because I got >caught up watching an Open University programme on BBC2 on >flying buttresses..... > >Teddy Oooohhh! I *love* flying buttresses! Seriously! Buttressing of architecture is a fascinating subject. That was one of my favorite parts of my art history class in college. Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 01:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24043 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:10:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g494wNC10780; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:58:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g494wMR15640; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g494oJR13563 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:50:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (dialup-65.59.62.237.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net [65.59.62.237]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g494oHn80132 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 00:50:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD9FFC4.CB6E4FEF@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 23:49:08 -0500 Status: RO Marc Carlson wrote: > I must have fallen asleep .. isn't this a place where any extended > discussion of the SCA was pretty much frowned on? Some do a good job with > their clothes, some don't. That pretty much covers it. Can we get past > this? Eliz has already called a halt to it, but it takes awhile to die because people post before reading all the messages -- therefore posting before they've seen her "let's play nicely" message. --Charlene -- You can fool too many people too much of the time. -- James Thurber _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 01:28:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24096 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:28:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g495GOC11424; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g495GMR20300; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:16:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4955eR17527 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:05:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVT00ERQVHE3O@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:05:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] level of SCA costuming, some examples In-reply-to: <006601c1f6c3$dacce040$fbf5f1c3@henk> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020508212310.00d5f900@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 21:25:16 -0700 Status: RO >>So here I say farewell to you all. Some of us will miss you a lot. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( /\ )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 01:28:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24100 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:28:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g495GVC11437; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:16:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g495GVR20347; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:16:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4955eR17531 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:05:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVT00ERQVHE3O@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:05:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] beading on Worth 1890's gowns In-reply-to: <000a01c1f6d9$9c8ce4e0$55c98693@creighton.edu> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020508212600.00c2a100@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3CD99348.E502D06C@post12.tele.dk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 21:26:55 -0700 Status: RO >Look for a book called 'The Opulent Era'. It has many colour pictures of >Worth stuff up close, and tons of b/w pictures. >I have a doll-sized pattern of a copy of a circa 1894 Worth ball gown as >pictured in Harper's Bazaar. The original calls for ciel blue silk and >black fur trim. I have had some beautiful black bunny fur stashed and >finally found some sky-blue silk that is both opaque, but thin, crisp and >smooth. The description of the beading of the gown does not give the >color(s) of the beads. The beading design is of iris flowers on long leafed >stalks and the design is outline only, not a filled-in set of motifs. I've >looked in my books for any color pictures of circa 1890's Worth ball gowns >that would inform me for certain whether Worth beading of this type was done >in colors, or was white or clear. I was thinking of doing the beading with >size 014 glass beads in pale clear green and the flowers in clear white and >clear mauve or purple. But is a single color like white, clear or even a >clear blue to match the gown color more authentic? I live no where near a >museum with a collection or even a single Worth gown. Many thanks > >Cindy Abel > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 01:28:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24104 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:28:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g495GaC11457; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g495GZR20372; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:16:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4955fR17539 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVT00ERQVHE3O@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:05:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-reply-to: <20020508212615.80862.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020508213236.00db2bb0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020508201319.78255.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 21:52:21 -0700 Status: RO > > Pockets > >True, true, no pockets whatsoever in Anglo-Saxon clothing of the period I >research. Janet Arnold finds pockets in German Ren. garments. > > Buttons (hmmmmm) > >See above, but... button-similar metal objects in a Scandinavian grave of the >5th century. Though not functioning as buttons, positioned at the wrists. Janet Arnold finds buttons, and button holes, in Ren. garments. > > Spectacles > >Which dat again, it depends and their shape and function of course. The modern >glorious idea of spectacles with sides doesn't come in before the 1720s. El Greco painted a portrait including a pair of glasses with sides, in 1575. There's another pair, shown in '20,000 Years of Fashion', which I think has side pieces (page 231, #472). > > Knit fabric (fine gauge - like hose) > >Ahhhh, knitting is relatively young. Elonore of Toledo was buried, in 1562, in a pair of knitted stockings done at almost as small a gage as a modern t-shirt. > > Hooks and eyes > >hehe, well.. guess what, it depends. :-))) Breughel shows these in a painting done in the mid-1500's, and they look almost exactly like the modern ones. > underwear (breeches) >very very young idea indeed, I agree with the questioneer that underwear is a >very modern concept. The inventory of Mary Queen of Scots has under-drawers listed. (I have this second-hand, from the book 'The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots'.) > Carriages >yeah, right, and one walks beside the horse. ;-) Davenport's costume book has a German picture of one of these dated 1491 (page 371, #987). > > Saddles with pommels > >know nuffin again The Metropolitan Museum has one, I forget the date, but from some time in the 1400's, as I recall. Not your 'Western Saddle', but definitely with a pommel. > > Can anyone add to my list? It's not period, in the SCA timeframe, to question the historical authenticity of a garment some else is wearing by saying "that's not period" about it. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 01:28:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24108 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:28:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g495GdC11471; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g495GdR20397; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4955gR17545 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVT00ERQVHE3O@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] more specs In-reply-to: <3CD9E985.74B0F43E@dandy.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020508215408.00c25ce0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200205070914.g479EMR15603@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 21:55:03 -0700 Status: RO >the cords behind the ears were probably a bit annoying after a >while, sweaty, dirty and chafing, and the lenses certainly couldn't be >maintained at the proper angle and plane to satisfy a modern optometrist that >vision correction was being achieved. My old pair, the ones I can't afford to have replaced, are like that right now as I type this reply. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 01:28:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24112 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:28:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g495GkC11498; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:16:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g495GjR20433; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:16:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4958eR18310 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:08:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVT00EHEVMF15@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:08:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: your date is off by a month (was Re: [h-cost] Re: names etc. In-reply-to: <002001c20d93$a0957c20$fd827ad5@dan> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020508220739.00d5f470@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <10d.11cd7e8d.2a07fbfc@aol.com> <002d01c1f520$9e5c6b20$e5ba7ad5@dan> <3CD6C31C.D589FAB2@inetone.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:08:23 -0700 Status: RO Stevie Gamble writes, in a message sent 08:51 PM 6/6/02 +0100: Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 01:52:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24207 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:52:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g495eNC12612; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g495eNR26137; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g495V9R24125 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GVTWNW00.G66 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:31:08 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] my list of amusements Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020508165747.03856220@pop.directcon.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 22:35:02 -0700 Status: RO My favorite color combination! But I have to admit that, after 20- years of Faire (RPF) training, I still find myself sewing anything in any shade of purple going "I shouldn't be doing this. I shouldn't be doing this." :) I do it anyway. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Margo Anderson > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 4:58 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com; h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements > > > At 05:38 PM 05/08/2002 -0700, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > >[from the list of "non-period" things] > >> purple dye > > > >Depends on how you define this. _Violet_ dyes were uncommon. > >There were quite a few different cheap alternatives to cochineal > >for the "royal" red-purple of the period. One of the other dyers > >on the list came up with a period text full of cheap alternatives > >to what we were taught to think of as expensive dyes. By the elizabethan > >period, there was a whole market out there for cheaper dyestuffs. > > > Oh, good, because the fabric I just dyed for my new Elizabethan middle > class gown came out, not the deep purplish blue I was trying for, but a > rather brisk violet. It's outside drying on the lawn, and the contrast is > so pretty I've decided to give it a grass green forepart and sleeves. > > What can I say, I'm just not a subtle person. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 02:04:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27512 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 02:04:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g495qPC13169; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:52:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g495qMR28845; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g495imR27164 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:44:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GVTXAN00.35P for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:44:47 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Costume sourcing info Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <20020508072552.A20209@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 22:48:37 -0700 Status: RO Someone who is fairly new to e-mail (my mother in law, for instance :) needs to learn to look at the To: line after hitting Reply/Reply All/whatever. If the list address is displayed, it's going to the whole list. If a single person's address is all you see, your reply is going to them only. If both, then both. Do this first, even before starting to type your reply. Everything you need is right in front of you. You just have to look. :) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Elizabeth Lear > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 6:26 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Costume sourcing info > > > On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 05:17:34PM -0400, KeckSimba@aol.com wrote: > > p.s. also how to I post a question like this so everyone gets it? > > Actually, the default of the mailing list is to send the reply back to > the list. If you've been thinking your replies are only going to the > individual, that would explain why we've seen 4-5 almost identical > postings from you in the last day or so. > > ...eliz > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 02:17:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19707 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 02:17:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4965PC13752; Thu, 9 May 2002 00:05:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4965OR02333; Thu, 9 May 2002 00:05:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g495v0R00247 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 23:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GVTXUZ00.H4V for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:56:59 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <200205070813.g478DGR19701@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 23:00:48 -0700 Status: RO LOL, well the thing about affording them is that no one will ask you. If you are in a theatrical situation (like a Faire) the real object is to find simple metal frames that don't call attention to themselves. No aviator stules, no photo-grey lenses. If you can't live without them and you can't tolerate contact lenses, find plain, round wire frames and face it out. (If you can't live without sunglasses--well, are you sure? Faires and Tourbnies are full of shady pockets. They are green with non-reflective trees and grass instead of glarey concrete and asphalt. Give it a try.) References: I know there is a whole book on spectacles, the reminder of which title I begged from someone last year, and which I have lost in the recent hard drive crash. And in that book are any number of 15th-16th century samples of spectacles with side pieces. The information is out there. I've seen it. While it appears that these were probably all worn as reading glasses by people for whom reading is a daily matter (not true of every tradesman, craftsman, farmer, or even every noble) your audience won't care, and you'll get through the day. Or you might try being just as blind as any severely nearsighted person would have been and only using your glasses for important things like shopping! What would they have done? Well, whatever it was, they did it, didn't they? MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Jane Williams > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:13 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Cc: Jane Williams > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA > costuming) > > > Maggie Secara wrote : > > > Spectacles (with Side pieces) on are period for Elizabethans > (those who can > > afford the,which would be anyone who can afford velvet) and probably 100 > > years earlier. > > Yippee! > Can you point me at pictures, descriptions, or anything? > > (Never mind how I afforded them: I probably robbed someone). > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 03:35:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19941 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 03:35:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g497NNC16037; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g497NLR19963; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:23:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g497CcR17621 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:12:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.151]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020509071237.HFGY2755.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:12:37 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements Message-ID: <3CDA2F68.23800.37F996@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020508212615.80862.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020508201319.78255.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:12:24 +0100 Status: RO On 8 May 2002 at 22:26, N Kipar wrote: > > Spectacles > > Which dat again, it depends and their shape and function of course. The modern > glorious idea of spectacles with sides doesn't come in before the 1720s. Huh? I thought we'd just found a portrait showing specs with sides in around 1600, and were awaiting comments from our Spectacle Experts? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 03:35:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19945 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 03:35:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g497NkC16092; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:23:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g497NkR20084; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:23:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g497CdR17642 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.151]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020509071239.HFHG2755.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:12:39 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] more specs Message-ID: <3CDA2F68.27536.37F6D9@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3CD9E985.74B0F43E@dandy.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:12:24 +0100 Status: RO On 8 May 2002 at 23:14, leigh tartaglio wrote: > Hi, I certainly don't qualify as an expert, but.... You know more than I do, and that's close enough: thanks! > They were most probably for only part-time wear, in fact, the inclusion of them > in the painting at all most probably alluded to the Cardinal's need to have > himself portrayed as a scholar Makes perfect sense to me. > The lenses were (as the painter has shown the eyes) > magnifying, the cords behind the ears were probably a bit annoying after a > while, sweaty, dirty and chafing, and the lenses certainly couldn't be > maintained at the proper angle and plane to satisfy a modern optometrist that > vision correction was being achieved. Aside from these things, the painting is a > great example of a person of that period wearing spectacles. You think the things behind the ears are cords? Not bars? I'll have to look again... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 03:53:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19975 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 03:53:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g497fNC16498; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g497fMR23813; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:41:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g497VKR21758 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:31:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020509073119.43601.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 08:31:19 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020508213236.00db2bb0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:31:19 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > > Pockets > > > >True, true, no pockets whatsoever in Anglo-Saxon clothing of the period I > >research. > > Janet Arnold finds pockets in German Ren. garments. Oh yes, dear, but you are talking plus-minus 1000 (!!!) years later. Anglo-Saxon, as in mainly 6th-8th centuries. NOT with a 1 in front of it. :-) > > > Buttons (hmmmmm) > > > >See above, but... button-similar metal objects in a Scandinavian grave of > the > >5th century. Though not functioning as buttons, positioned at the wrists. > > Janet Arnold finds buttons, and button holes, in Ren. garments. The same goes as above. I don't think that 5th century and 15th/16th century are comparable AT ALL. > El Greco painted a portrait including a pair of glasses with sides, in > 1575. There's another pair, shown in '20,000 Years of Fashion', which I > think has side pieces (page 231, #472). No, it doesn't have the modern side pieces. They are loops. The idea of side pieces came up with the wig-spectacles in the 1710s/20s. I managed to get hold of via inter library loan pretty much _the_ book on historical spectacles, a humonguous edition and no way a private person could afford it. Anyway, amongst the hundreds and hundreds of photos of extant spectacles and pictures of details of paintings and engravings were none like the modern idea before the 1710/20s. Now... prove me wrong and I stick my tongue out to the editors of the books I have read. hehe. > > > Knit fabric (fine gauge - like hose) > > > >Ahhhh, knitting is relatively young. > > Elonore of Toledo was buried, in 1562, in a pair of knitted stockings done > at almost as small a gage as a modern t-shirt. There we are, young. very young. The same goes as above, it all depends on which period. 'between 400 and 1600' is not articularly enlightening. > > > Hooks and eyes > > > >hehe, well.. guess what, it depends. :-))) > > Breughel shows these in a painting done in the mid-1500's, and they look > almost exactly like the modern ones. Oh yes, hooks and eyes are a very old thing, though I know notfrom when it started exactly, that must be in between the periods I research i.e. between appr. 8th or 9th century and 17th century. > > underwear (breeches) > > >very very young idea indeed, I agree with the questioneer that underwear is > a > >very modern concept. > > The inventory of Mary Queen of Scots has under-drawers listed. (I have > this second-hand, from the book 'The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots'.) That IS very young. Apart from taht it wasn't common at all. So it's Queen, and underwear islisted. Oh yes, Samuel Pepys mentions once that Elizabeth donned a pair, why did he mention it? because he found it so outrageous and unusual that she did. There are many more references scattered throught that I came across the 16th and 17th centuries that women were not wearing them, as well as the scattered references that sometimes they did and that was unusual enough to be mentioned. > > Carriages > > >yeah, right, and one walks beside the horse. ;-) > > Davenport's costume book has a German picture of one of these dated 1491 > (page 371, #987). That was a joke, dear, joke as in hahaha, we all laugh? :-) > The Metropolitan Museum has one, I forget the date, but from some time in > the 1400's, as I recall. Not your 'Western Saddle', but definitely with a > pommel. Ah, taht's interesting, do you know a piccie anywhere of that one? > It's not period, in the SCA timeframe, to question the historical > authenticity of a garment some else is wearing by saying "that's not > period" about it. That only works for 1st person portraiture. Anyway, I think that rudeness of such sort of walking up to someone unasked and unsolicited is not very period for any period. So I hope... Officially back to work with a morning cuppa now Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 03:53:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19982 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 03:53:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g497fWC16513; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:41:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g497fVR23861; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:41:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g497ZJR22614 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020509073518.43923.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 08:35:18 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] more specs To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3CD9E985.74B0F43E@dandy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:35:18 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- leigh tartaglio wrote: > Hi, I certainly don't qualify as an expert, but the Guevara spectacles are of > the sort that come from that period. I sent Drea some docs a while back about > an > excavated pair from (I think) the 1540s-1570s, which were just the > sit-on-the-nose type, but additional stability was achieved with the addition > of > loops of cord Pete Butler here in England makes those frames out of boiled leather, they are brilliant, look just like 'the real thing'. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 03:59:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20013 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 03:59:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g497lNC16710; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:47:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g497lNR25163; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:47:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g497bwR23133 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:37:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020509073757.92554.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 08:37:57 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020508214703.88653.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:37:57 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Truly Biggs wrote: > > > Hmmmm....Marie de France is a fine example of precisely the sort of > musician/composer/performer that the person who told me that did not know > about. Ah, yes, nice name, but WHEN was she active? Please, please a plea here, when people talk about things being 'period' and even in the SCA time frame (though this is not an SCA list of course, or I wouldn't be here in the first place ;-) plase do quote the period! At least the century. Thanks! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 04:05:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA20081 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 04:05:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g497rOC16877; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g497rNR26402; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:53:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g497jDR24636 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:45:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020509074512.83211.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 08:45:12 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3CDA2F68.23800.37F996@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:45:12 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jane Williams wrote: > On 8 May 2002 at 22:26, N Kipar wrote: > > > > Spectacles > > > > Which dat again, it depends and their shape and function of course. The > modern > > glorious idea of spectacles with sides doesn't come in before the 1720s. > > Huh? I thought we'd just found a portrait showing > specs with sides in around 1600, and were awaiting > comments from our Spectacle Experts? Mike summed it up very nicely and I replied to his mail with a name of someone who makes those, in paintings it often appears as if it were the modern type of side piece but it isn't, it's a loop or other means of fixing the frame so that it doesn't fall off the nose when same nose is not shaped according to spec-upholdability. But by all means, do prove me wrong and show me an extant spactacle with modern-type hinged side pieces! I'd be delighted to be proven wrong, it would make the lives of many easier. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 04:11:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA20127 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 04:11:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g497xNC17060; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:59:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g497xMR27765; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:59:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21402.mail.yahoo.com (web21402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.72]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g497rAR26346 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 01:53:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020509075310.6444.qmail@web21402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.6.81.219] by web21402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 08:53:10 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020508212615.80862.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:53:10 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > > > other non-clothing issues: > > women who own shops > > aha! now that is interesting, have just been to a conference this saturday at > christ church uni, and many of the speakers dealt with that. under certain > circumstances, yes. (talking about london here) and they went back to the 14th > century. > Nicole Which conference was this? Do you have any more details? If I'd known in advance I'd have gone as this sounds seriously interesting. I presume that this is Christ Church on the south coast? Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 04:23:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA20158 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 04:23:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g498BRC18399; Thu, 9 May 2002 02:11:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g498BPR01734; Thu, 9 May 2002 02:11:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4984VR00181 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 02:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020509080430.84893.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 09:04:30 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020509075310.6444.qmail@web21402.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 09:04:30 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > > Which conference was this? Do you have any more details? If I'd known in > advance I'd have gone > as this sounds seriously interesting. I presume that this is Christ Church > on the south coast? Oh yes, Christ Church as in Canterbury Christ Church Univesity College, that's where I sit at the mo typing along, I work here. It was a conference organised by the Kent Archaeological Society in conjunction with the History department of Christ Church, I do my PhD at the latter. It was on Anglo-Saxon and Medieval women, superb speakers! BTW, anyone else going to the MEDAT conference on dyeing? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 04:41:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA20302 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 04:41:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g498TOC18875; Thu, 9 May 2002 02:29:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g498TMR05718; Thu, 9 May 2002 02:29:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21409.mail.yahoo.com (web21409.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.79]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g498IcR03398 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 02:18:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020509081837.99093.qmail@web21409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.6.81.219] by web21409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 09:18:37 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020509080430.84893.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 09:18:37 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > --- Rachel wrote: > It was a conference organised > by the Kent Archaeological Society in conjunction with the History department > of Christ Church, I do my PhD at the latter. It was on Anglo-Saxon and Medieval > women, superb speakers! I don't suppose that they produced any notes, that could be purchased? > > BTW, anyone else going to the MEDAT conference on dyeing? > Do you have details of this? I know a number of people who would be very interested in attending this. Thanks Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 05:02:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20471 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 05:02:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g498o9C19438; Thu, 9 May 2002 02:50:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g498o3R09933; Thu, 9 May 2002 02:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g498ahR07376 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 02:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020509083642.63023.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 09:36:42 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020509081837.99093.qmail@web21409.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] MEDAT Dyeing conference Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 09:36:42 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > > I don't suppose that they produced any notes, that could be purchased? No, I'm sorry they didn't. > > BTW, anyone else going to the MEDAT conference on dyeing? > > > > Do you have details of this? I know a number of people who would be very > interested in attending > this. Here you are: Saturday 13th July (papers): 10-10:30 registration -The chemistry of medieval dyeing (dr paul wyeth, university of southampton) coffee -dye studies on pre 17th century european textiles: methodology and conclusion (dr jan wouters, royal insitute for cultural heritage brussels) - the medieval woad vat explained (professor philip john, university of reading) discussion lunch - aristotle and the vat: the medieval science of dyeing (dr spike bucklow, the hamilton kerr institute university of cambridge) - true purple & its imitations in late antiquity and the middle ages (hero granger-taylor) discussion tea - the trade of dyestuffs & their application in 14th and 15th century venice (dr luca mola, university of warwick) - madder red & the ottomans (dr robert chenciner, st anthony's college, univesity of oxford) discussion 18-19:00 reception for everyone in te courtauld galleries sunday 14th july 2002 (demonstrations) 10-10:30 registration and coffee - professor philip john, school of plant sciences: introduction demonstrations lunch - sally ann chandler: presentation: the wear and tear of medieval dyestuffs as demonstrated in replica garments. demonstration tea discussion 17-18:00 reception, gardens of the school of plant siences. approximately seven demonstrations will show dyeing with dyestuffs and mordants in use from c 4th century AD to c 1600. murex - inge boesken kanold (OKHRA Conservatoire Roussillon) woad - john edmonds (chiltern open air museum & author of 'the medieval woad vat') kermes - dr dominique cardon (centre national de la recheche scientifique) madder, ferrous sulphate & oak gall - jenny dean (author of 'the craft of natural dyeing') saffron - patience beaumont (essex guild of weavers) dyers' greenwood, golden rod, weld - penny walsh (london guild of weavers) overdyeing - tracey kendal (royal college of art) tickets for both days: for MEDATS members £60 non-members £70 concessions: £40 Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 05:53:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20595 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 05:53:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g499eOC22977; Thu, 9 May 2002 03:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g499eNR22760; Thu, 9 May 2002 03:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g499YcR20637 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 03:34:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHIRGO7YVK004OTE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:37:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHIRGB2ZCQ0035V4@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:36:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 09 May 2002 10:32:20 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 09 May 2002 10:31:37 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:31:36 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-reply-to: <200205090328.g493SWR20207@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <18FBC5B1520@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:31:36 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Oh, good, because the fabric I just dyed for my new Elizabethan > middle class gown came out, not the deep purplish blue I was > trying for, but a rather brisk violet. It's outside drying on the > lawn, and the contrast is so pretty I've decided to give it a grass > green forepart and sleeves. Sounds lovely! > What can I say, I'm just not a subtle person. Yayayayay! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 06:04:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20652 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 06:04:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g499qNC23503; Thu, 9 May 2002 03:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g499qMR25675; Thu, 9 May 2002 03:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smithers.nildram.co.uk (smithers.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g499i7R23833 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 03:44:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200205090944.g499i7R23833@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 32181 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 09:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by smithers.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 9 May 2002 09:42:37 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:42:37 BST Status: RO > > .. It's outside drying on the > > lawn, and the contrast is so pretty I've decided to give it a grass > > green forepart and sleeves. Of course, if the grass is wet, you may not have a choice any more :( (It does sound lovely!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 06:28:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20719 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 06:28:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49AGNC24179; Thu, 9 May 2002 04:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49AGMR00762; Thu, 9 May 2002 04:16:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49A7BR28705 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 04:07:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHISLZVZG000NEGI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 May 2002 11:09:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHISL0F4EG0053A8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 May 2002 11:08:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 09 May 2002 11:04:21 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 09 May 2002 11:03:22 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 11:03:16 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] The History of Concrete In-reply-to: <200205090546.g495kVR27615@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <19043CF7895@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:03:16 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Oooohhh! I *love* flying buttresses! Seriously! > Buttressing of architecture is a fascinating subject. Well, I didn't miss my train to work because I found the subject *boring*.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 09:05:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25402 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:05:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49CrOC29471; Thu, 9 May 2002 06:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49CrMR06592; Thu, 9 May 2002 06:53:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49ClvR05040 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 06:47:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m24.in-tch.com [216.166.191.24]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g49CZ9922282 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 06:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CDA7130.E98BBC9C@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements References: <18FBC5B1520@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 06:53:04 -0600 Status: RO Hey, Teddy....speaking on non-subtle outfits, I saw one done in shades of orange on a very nice lady at an event this past weekend. Thought of you and Lainie (another orange-lover on another list). The wearer created it using different sari silks, and it seems she was also married in the same dress..... --sue Teddy wrote: > > > > > > Oh, good, because the fabric I just dyed for my new Elizabethan > > middle class gown came out, not the deep purplish blue I was > > trying for, but a rather brisk violet. It's outside drying on the > > lawn, and the contrast is so pretty I've decided to give it a grass > > green forepart and sleeves. > > Sounds lovely! > > > What can I say, I'm just not a subtle person. > > Yayayayay! > > Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 09:14:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25527 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:14:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49CxbC29787; Thu, 9 May 2002 06:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49CxbR08308; Thu, 9 May 2002 06:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49Co5R05711 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 06:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m24.in-tch.com [216.166.191.24]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g49CbJ922755 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 06:37:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CDA71B7.FBA6BA0E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements References: <20020508201319.78255.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 06:55:19 -0600 Status: RO My two favorites along this line are: Pink isn't period (meaning, wasn't used at all in the middle ages and renaissance in Europe), and Medieval people didn't line their clothing. --Sue Truly Biggs wrote: > > I once thought of writing a paper about all of the things that I have been > told "aren't period" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 10:29:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25869 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:29:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49EHUC04981; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:17:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49EHTR04356; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net (scanmail4.cableone.net [24.116.0.124]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49E8sR00899 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net ([10.116.0.124]) by scanmail4.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 9 May 2002 07:08:18 -0700 Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net [24.116.0.124] by scanmail4.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A2D2182C00D0; Thu, 09 May 2002 07:08:18 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Thu, 09 May 2002 07:08:17 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: Message-ID: <000401c1f763$3ab862f0$6801a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: h-costume@indra.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130] Subject: [h-cost] fabrics in Amsterdam Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 09:10:09 -0500 Status: RO My friend is going to Amsterdam this weekend. She will be staying for 2 days, near the Anne Frank house, then traveling south in a rental car. Are there any fabric places she shouldn't miss? We know about Den Haan & Waagemakers. Thanks for the help. Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 10:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25913 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:36:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49ENMC05965; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49ENLR07594; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:23:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web11505.mail.yahoo.com (web11505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g49EE8R02933 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020509141407.72751.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.54.226.52] by web11505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 07:14:07 PDT From: Megan Irvine Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200205090944.g499i7R23833@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 07:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I find this list of amusements...very amusing! Sorry I HAD to do that...anyway... I would add all the myths about corsets to that list. Everything from "working women didn't wear them" to "women had their lower ribs removed." mirv ===== Megan Irvine Got more Web addys than orifices: My Web log: http://darkthreads.blogspot.com My EBay storefront: http://www.ebaystores.com/darkthreadsdesigns My personal page: http://www.geocities.com/mirv_sewing/ My business Web site (under construction): http://www.darkthreads.com/ Adventure can be real happiness.--Fortune Cookie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 10:41:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25949 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:41:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49ETQC06659; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49ETQR10557; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12807.mail.yahoo.com (web12807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g49EMbR07239 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:22:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020509142237.82795.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.18.199.196] by web12807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 07:22:37 PDT From: Truly Biggs Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020509073757.92554.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 07:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Marie De France: 12th century poetess/court performer - Thought to be a menber of Henry Fitz Empress and Eleanor of Aquitaine's court. I'm sorry. I would have put that but I wasn't sure how much info a costume list wants about a musician. (not that we can't have other interests :) I was hoping that anyone interested would take the website hint - but here are some good links below: http://150.252.8.92/www/iawm/pages/mdfrance.html http://www.people.vcu.edu/~cmarecha/ http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09667a.htm Truly --- N Kipar wrote: > --- Truly Biggs wrote: > > > > > Hmmmm....Marie de France is a fine example of precisely the sort of > > musician/composer/performer that the person who told me that did not > know > > about. > > Ah, yes, nice name, but WHEN was she active? Please, please a plea here, > when > people talk about things being 'period' and even in the SCA time frame > (though > this is not an SCA list of course, or I wouldn't be here in the first > place ;-) > plase do quote the period! At least the century. > > Thanks! > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 11:49:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26451 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:49:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49FbZC16335; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:37:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49FbWR19904; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49FDoR04339 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:13:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id IAA13456 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:32:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200205091532.IAA13456@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] bard? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Can someone who's better versed in general medieval history point me to the first use of the word "bard"? I know troubadour, jongleur, ollamh, and duear...but none of those encompass the modern construction that most people mean when they say "bard." I have a feeling that my knowledge of the real irish, french and norse/icelandic customs is probably a stumbling block to my understanding this "bard" stuff... Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 12:35:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26740 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:35:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49GNEC21951; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:23:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49GNBR17690; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49FxKR03578 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.18e.7aa9424 (3999) for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:59:01 -0400 (EDT) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <18e.7aa9424.2a0bf6c5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18e.7aa9424.2a0bf6c5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:59:01 EDT Status: RO --part1_18e.7aa9424.2a0bf6c5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Women muscians? Check out "The Women Troubadours" by Meg Bogin. Published by WW.Norton & Company, NY & London ISBN 0-399-00965-3 Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_18e.7aa9424.2a0bf6c5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Women muscians?  Check out "The Women Troubadours" by Meg Bogin.  Published by WW.Norton & Company, NY & London ISBN 0-399-00965-3

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--part1_18e.7aa9424.2a0bf6c5_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 13:26:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26887 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:26:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49HEEC27578; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:14:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49HE3D17888; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49H3oD11924 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:03:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-relay04-en1.mac.com (smtp-relay04-en1 [10.13.10.223]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g49H3okv022174 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3.mac.com [10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay04-en1.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g49H3j2J022147 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.95.177.85] ([128.95.177.85]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GVUSQ800.23K for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:03:44 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] bard? From: Agnes MacGawne To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200205091532.IAA13456@gw.retro.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g49H3oD11924 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:03:44 -0700 Status: RO Here is the citation from the Oxford English Dictionary - you won't see any italics because of the email format but it may be informative to you anyhow. Enjoy! ---- BARD  5-; also 6-7 (Sc.) baird, 6 barth, 6-7 bardh. [a. Gael. and Ir. bàrd:OCelt. *bardo-s poet-singer, minstrel (whence Gr. , L. bardus, as alien words, Œbardus Gallice cantor appellatur, qui virorum fortium laudes canit,¹ Festus). In Eng. originally only an alien word from the mod. Celtic vernaculars, i.e. in Scotland bard, baird from Gaelic, in England barth, bardh from Welsh bardd, and bard from Irish, employed as in contemporary Celtic usage; first naturalized in Scotland, and then by no means appreciative in its use (see sense 2); afterwards, under the influence of the, bardus of the classical writers, adopted in Eng. literature as a historical and poetic term.]     1. An ancient Celtic order of minstrel-poets, whose primary function appears to have been to compose and sing (usually to the harp) verses celebrating the achievements of chiefs and warriors, and who committed to verse historical and traditional facts, religious precepts, laws, genealogies, etc. Still the word for Œpoet¹ in modern Celtic languages; and in Welsh spec. A poet or versifier who has been recognized at the Eisteddfod.  c1450 HOLLAND Houlate, Sa come the Ruke with a rerd, and a rane roch, A bard out of Irland, with Banachadee! 1538 LELAND ltin. V. 15 Peraventure Lleuys Morganne the Barth was deceivid in this. 1584 D. POWEL Lloyd's Cambria 15 This word Bardh signified such as had knowledge of things to come. 1594 SHAKES. Rich. III, IV. ii. 109 A bard of Ireland told me once, I should not live long after I saw Richmond. 1596 SPENSER St. Irel. (J.), There is amongst the Irish a kind of people called bards, which are to them instead of poets: whose profession is to set forth the praises or dispraises of men in their poems or rhime. 1610 HOLLAND Camden's Brit. I. 421 The funerall song or Dump of a most ancient British Bard. [Note, Poet]. 1615 Val. Welshm. (1663) Aivb, Call with your silver tones, that reverend Bardh. 1627 MAY Lucan I. (R.) You bards securely sung your elegyes [fudistis carmina Bardi]. 1780 BURKE Sp. Econ. Ref. Wks. III. 261 The invasion of King Edward and the massacre of the bards. 1879 MACLEAR Celts ii. 18 The Druidic order included..the Bards or ŒGlee-men.¹    2. In early Lowland Scotch used for: A strolling musician or minstrel (into which the Celtic bard had degenerated, and against whom many laws were enacted); in 16th c. a term of contempt, but idealized by Scott by association with 4.  1449 Act 6 Jas. II (1597) §22 Gif there be onie that makis them fuilis and are bairdes, or vthers sic like rinnares about. 1457 Ibid. §80 Sornares, bairdes, maister-full beggers, or feiniet fuiles. ?a1500 Kenneth's Stat. in Sir J. Balfour Patricks 680 All vagabundis, fulis, bardis, scudlaris, and siclike idill pepill, sall be brint on the cheek. c1505 DUNBAR Flyting 49 Irsche brybour baird, wyle beggar with thy brattis! 1609 SKENE Rej. Mag. 135 Feinzied fooles, bairdes, rynners about..after sundrie punishments, may be hanged. 1805 SCOTT Last Minstr. Introd., The last of all the bards was he Who sung of Border chivalry.    3. Applied to the early versifying minstrels or poets of other nations, before the use of writing, as the Old English gleeman, Scandinavian scald, etc.  1623 COCKERAM, Bardes, ancient Poets. 1763 J. BROWN Poetry & Mus. iv. 41 After a certain Period of Civilization, the complex Character of Legislator and Bard would separate. 1775 T. WARTON Eng. Poetry I. Diss. i. 34 Various Islandic odes..which were sung by the Scandinavian bards. 1855 MILMAN Lat. Chr. II. IV. iv. 283 A Teutonic literature has begun; the German bards have become Christian poets.    4. poet. A lyric or epic poet, a Œsinger¹; a poet generally. [Chiefly after Lucan; quot. 1627 in 1.]  [1606 SHAKES. Ant. & Cl. III. ii. 16 Hoo, Hearts, Tongues, Figure, Scribes, Bards, Poets, cannot Thinke speake, cast write sing, number: hoo, His loue to Anthony.] 1667 MILTON P.L. VII. 34 That wild rout that tore the Thracian bard In Rhodopè. 1704 POPE Messiah 37 The Saviour comes, by ancient bards foretold. 1769 GARRICK Song Wks. 1785 II. 427 For the bard of all bards was a Warwickshire Bard. 1809 BYRON (title) English Bards and Scotch Reviewers. 1834 CUNNINGHAM Burns (1850) 154/2 The character of the Ayrshire bard. 1881 (title) The Bard of Avon Birthday Text-book compiled from Shakespeare's Plays and Poems.    5. Comb., as bard-craft; bard-like adj.  1763 J. BROWN Poetry & Mus. ix. 168 The first great Bard-like Character we meet with [in China] is Confucius. 1808 SCOTT Marm. Introd. 213 The keener rush of blood That throbs through bard in bard-like mood. 1820 T. MITCHELL Aristoph. I. 205 Ye verse-smiths and bard-mechanicians. 1840 BROWNING Sordello II, 312 Forswearing bard-craft. > From: Lee Thompson-Herbert > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:32:42 -0700 (PDT) > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] bard? > > > Can someone who's better versed in general medieval history point > me to the first use of the word "bard"? I know troubadour, jongleur, > ollamh, and duear...but none of those encompass the modern construction > that most people mean when they say "bard." I have a feeling that my > knowledge of the real irish, french and norse/icelandic customs is probably > a stumbling block to my understanding this "bard" stuff... > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 14:48:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27247 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:48:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49Ia2C07676; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49Ia1D19455; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12608.mail.yahoo.com (web12608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.231]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g49FYvR18321 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020509153456.46811.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.193.105] by web12608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 08:34:56 PDT From: Tracy Bossinger Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Nicole wrote: > --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > Carriages > > >yeah, right, and one walks beside the horse. ;-) > > Davenport's costume book has a German picture of one of these dated 1491 > (page 371, #987). That was a joke, dear, joke as in hahaha, we all laugh? :-) > The Metropolitan Museum has one, I forget the date, but from some time in > the 1400's, as I recall. Not your 'Western Saddle', but definitely with a > pommel. Ah, taht's interesting, do you know a piccie anywhere of that one? I couldn't find this one on their website, but I have a couple of books with line drawings, mostly of earlier saddles. If you want me to scan some in & send them to you, feel free to email me off list. That way, we don't tie up the list with a kind of off-topic subject. :) Also, Ann Hyland's book _The Medieval Warhorse: From Byzantium to the Crusades_ has a very good overview of saddlery, with a discussion (no pics, unfortunately) of constructed saddles (as opposed to saddlecloths only) dating from the 5th century BCE. Stirrups on the other hand, were much later... Finally something I can contribute about, albiet not about costuming for humans! :) Tracy sionnach1025@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 14:48:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27253 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:48:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49IaAC07719; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49Ia9D19557; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:36:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49FgGR22642 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:42:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.a4.25a4c6eb (3999) for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:42:09 -0400 (EDT) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a4.25a4c6eb.2a0bf2d1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:42:09 EDT Status: RO --part1_a4.25a4c6eb.2a0bf2d1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't understand the questioning of buttons. Fabric buttons are found on extant garment fragments listed in the Textiles and Clothing book from the Museum of London. There are pictures from the late fourteenth century showing both buttons and buttonholes, so they were used for closing garments. They even show the methods by which some of the buttons and buttonholes were made. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_a4.25a4c6eb.2a0bf2d1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      I don't understand the questioning of buttons.  Fabric buttons are found on extant garment fragments listed in the Textiles and Clothing book from the Museum of London.  There are pictures from the late fourteenth century showing both buttons and buttonholes, so they were used for closing garments.  They even show the methods by which some of the buttons and buttonholes were made.  

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--part1_a4.25a4c6eb.2a0bf2d1_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 14:48:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27260 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:48:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49IaUC07810; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:36:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49IaTD19799; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49G2iR05624 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:02:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g49G4bJ40988 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:04:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200205091604.g49G4bJ40988@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] beading on Worth 1890's gowns In-Reply-To: <000a01c1f6d9$9c8ce4e0$55c98693@creighton.edu> "from Cynthia Abel at May 8, 2002 04:44:54 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 09:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Oh I think that's the gown -- http://www.tweedlebop.com/kendra/costume/images/worth.jpg that kendra was working on. You should give her a holler - her website is at http://www.tweedlebop.com/kendra/costume/projects.html and she's here on the list sometimes :) .heather. > I have a doll-sized pattern of a copy of a circa 1894 Worth ball gown as > pictured in Harper's Bazaar. The original calls for ciel blue silk and > black fur trim. I have had some beautiful black bunny fur stashed and > finally found some sky-blue silk that is both opaque, but thin, crisp and > smooth. The description of the beading of the gown does not give the > color(s) of the beads. The beading design is of iris flowers on long leafed > stalks and the design is outline only, not a filled-in set of motifs. I've > looked in my books for any color pictures of circa 1890's Worth ball gowns > that would inform me for certain whether Worth beading of this type was done > in colors, or was white or clear. I was thinking of doing the beading with > size 014 glass beads in pale clear green and the flowers in clear white and > clear mauve or purple. But is a single color like white, clear or even a > clear blue to match the gown color more authentic? I live no where near a > museum with a collection or even a single Worth gown. Many thanks > > Cindy Abel > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 14:48:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27264 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:48:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49IauC07885; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49IatD20111; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:36:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f204.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.204]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49GX9R23589 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:33:04 -0700 Received: from 24.200.48.35 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 16:33:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 16:33:04.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[314DB670:01C1F777] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 16:33:04 +0000 Status: RO Well, I don't know if bard and troubadour mean the same thing to you, but I'm reading a book right now talking about female singers and performers in south of France or Spain (gosh I have to check my sources) around 1100, right before the spanish reconquistada. (or whatever they call it) >From: N Kipar >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements >Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:37:57 +0100 (BST) > > --- Truly Biggs wrote: > > > > > Hmmmm....Marie de France is a fine example of precisely the sort of > > musician/composer/performer that the person who told me that did not >know > > about. > >Ah, yes, nice name, but WHEN was she active? Please, please a plea here, >when >people talk about things being 'period' and even in the SCA time frame >(though >this is not an SCA list of course, or I wouldn't be here in the first place >;-) >plase do quote the period! At least the century. > >Thanks! > >Nicole > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: marquis@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 14:49:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27268 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:49:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49IZfC07636; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49IZeD19249; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:35:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49FXvR17728 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:33:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.da.17bf7051 (3999) for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:33:48 -0400 (EDT) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] more specs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_da.17bf7051.2a0bf0dc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:33:48 EDT Status: RO --part1_da.17bf7051.2a0bf0dc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kayta, that does sound like a lot of us I suspect. My glasses need to be replaced, but I keep spending the money on fabrics and dolls and teddy bears, and my latest effort - fencing. It is a matter of priority and we have ours set just fine. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_da.17bf7051.2a0bf0dc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kayta, that does sound like a lot of us I suspect.  My glasses need to be replaced, but I keep spending the money on fabrics and dolls and teddy bears, and my latest effort - fencing.  It is a matter of priority and we have ours set just fine.

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--part1_da.17bf7051.2a0bf0dc_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 14:49:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27270 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:49:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49IaiC07843; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:36:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49IaiD19972; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:36:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49GJTR15531 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g49GLN341226 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 9 May 2002 09:21:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200205091621.g49GLN341226@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: level of SCA costuming, some examples In-Reply-To: <3CD9FFC4.CB6E4FEF@flash.net> "from Charlene Charette at May 8, 2002 11:49:08 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 09:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Maybe Elizabeth should add "lets play nicely" to the auto-added footer at the end of every message. .heather. > Marc Carlson wrote: > > > I must have fallen asleep .. isn't this a place where any extended > > discussion of the SCA was pretty much frowned on? Some do a good job with > > their clothes, some don't. That pretty much covers it. Can we get past > > this? > > Eliz has already called a halt to it, but it takes awhile to die because > people post before reading all the messages -- therefore posting before > they've seen her "let's play nicely" message. > > --Charlene > > -- > You can fool too many people too much of the time. -- James Thurber > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 14:49:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27282 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:49:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49IblC08061; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:37:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49IbkD20673; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:37:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49HtpD12414 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVU00M8CV52AQ@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:55:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements-1 In-reply-to: <20020509073119.43601.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020509100831.00d635f0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020508213236.00db2bb0@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:55:01 -0700 Status: RO > > The Metropolitan Museum has one, I forget the date, but from some time in > > the 1400's, as I recall. Not your 'Western Saddle', but definitely with a > > pommel. > >Ah, taht's interesting, do you know a piccie anywhere of that one? I took some when I was there, 18 years ago, but, of course, now I can't find them. It was a wood frame, covered with red velvet. I saw another one, much smaller, on a mounted knight toy. It was in a doll and toy book, which I can't find at this time either (drives me crazy - I just saw it somewhere...) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 14:49:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27286 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:49:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49IbrC08084; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:37:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49IbqD20751; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:37:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49HtqD12430 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVU00M8CV52AQ@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:55:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements-2 In-reply-to: <20020509074512.83211.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020509102158.00d658b0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3CDA2F68.23800.37F996@localhost> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:55:11 -0700 Status: RO >in paintings it often appears as if it were the modern type of >side piece but it isn't, it's a loop or other means of fixing the frame so >that >it doesn't fall off the nose when same nose is not shaped according to >spec-upholdability. It appears that someone could take a spare pair, remove the temple-pieces, and add loops thru the holes left by their hinges. They'd look more like the loop-side things we're all finding. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 14:49:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27290 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:49:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49IbvC08108; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:37:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49IbuD20802; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:37:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49HtqD12434 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:55:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVU00M8CV52AQ@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:55:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements-3 In-reply-to: <3CDA7130.E98BBC9C@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020509102548.00d63b50@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <18FBC5B1520@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:55:21 -0700 Status: RO >Hey, Teddy....speaking on non-subtle outfits, I saw one done in shades >of orange on a very nice lady at an event this past weekend. Thought of >you and Lainie (another orange-lover on another list). Wingfield Digby's book on Elizabethan embroidery has about 4 colour plates, but one is of a bright orange cushion from Hardwicke Hall. Not a colour I like admitting is period. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 14:50:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27299 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:50:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49Ic2C08137; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49Ic1D20869; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49HtrD12440 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:55:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVU00M8CV52AQ@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements-4 In-reply-to: <18e.7aa9424.2a0bf6c5@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020509102815.00d61930@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:55:28 -0700 Status: RO > Women muscians? Check out "The Women Troubadours" by Meg > Bogin. Published by WW.Norton & Company, NY & London ISBN 0-399-00965-3 Jost Amman shows women singers, in a several-person group, in a wood cut in Dover's 'Book of Trades'. Not the same as a Medieval bard. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 14:51:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27312 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:51:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49IdaC08367; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:39:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49IdZD21911; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:39:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49I6eD19723 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-122-25-111.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.25.111] helo=dan) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 175sJJ-0006Xq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 May 2002 19:06:37 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c1f784$77fe9000$6f197ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] bard? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:08:00 +0100 Status: RO Hi all, Agnes provided the citation from the OED in response to Lee's request; the bottom line being the first appearance of the term bard is in a mid-fifteenth century Scottish text. If anyone wants to know more on this, Robin Hamilton, a scottish poet of my acquaintance , has kindly offered: "bibliographical details of the Asloan or Maitland MS versions of Holland's _The Book of the Howlat_, or [his very own] lightly edited edition. ([he] can't at the moment recollect whether [he] used Asloan or Maitland as the copy-text, but as they're virtually identical, it doesn't make that much difference.)" best wishes Stevie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Agnes MacGawne" To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] bard? Here is the citation from the Oxford English Dictionary - you won't see any italics because of the email format but it may be informative to you anyhow. Enjoy! ---- BARD 5-; also 6-7 (Sc.) baird, 6 barth, 6-7 bardh. [a. Gael. and Ir. bàrd:OCelt. *bardo-s poet-singer, minstrel (whence Gr. , L. bardus, as alien words, Obardus Gallice cantor appellatur, qui virorum fortium laudes canit,¹ Festus). In Eng. originally only an alien word from the mod. Celtic vernaculars, i.e. in Scotland bard, baird from Gaelic, in England barth, bardh from Welsh bardd, and bard from Irish, employed as in contemporary Celtic usage; first naturalized in Scotland, and then by no means appreciative in its use (see sense 2); afterwards, under the influence of the, bardus of the classical writers, adopted in Eng. literature as a historical and poetic term.] 1. An ancient Celtic order of minstrel-poets, whose primary function appears to have been to compose and sing (usually to the harp) verses celebrating the achievements of chiefs and warriors, and who committed to verse historical and traditional facts, religious precepts, laws, genealogies, etc. Still the word for Opoet¹ in modern Celtic languages; and in Welsh spec. A poet or versifier who has been recognized at the Eisteddfod. c1450 HOLLAND Houlate, Sa come the Ruke with a rerd, and a rane roch, A bard out of Irland, with Banachadee! 1538 LELAND ltin. V. 15 Peraventure Lleuys Morganne the Barth was deceivid in this. 1584 D. POWEL Lloyd's Cambria 15 This word Bardh signified such as had knowledge of things to come. 1594 SHAKES. Rich. III, IV. ii. 109 A bard of Ireland told me once, I should not live long after I saw Richmond. 1596 SPENSER St. Irel. (J.), There is amongst the Irish a kind of people called bards, which are to them instead of poets: whose profession is to set forth the praises or dispraises of men in their poems or rhime. 1610 HOLLAND Camden's Brit. I. 421 The funerall song or Dump of a most ancient British Bard. [Note, Poet]. 1615 Val. Welshm. (1663) Aivb, Call with your silver tones, that reverend Bardh. 1627 MAY Lucan I. (R.) You bards securely sung your elegyes [fudistis carmina Bardi]. 1780 BURKE Sp. Econ. Ref. Wks. III. 261 The invasion of King Edward and the massacre of the bards. 1879 MACLEAR Celts ii. 18 The Druidic order included..the Bards or OGlee-men.¹ 2. In early Lowland Scotch used for: A strolling musician or minstrel (into which the Celtic bard had degenerated, and against whom many laws were enacted); in 16th c. a term of contempt, but idealized by Scott by association with 4. 1449 Act 6 Jas. II (1597) §22 Gif there be onie that makis them fuilis and are bairdes, or vthers sic like rinnares about. 1457 Ibid. §80 Sornares, bairdes, maister-full beggers, or feiniet fuiles. ?a1500 Kenneth's Stat. in Sir J. Balfour Patricks 680 All vagabundis, fulis, bardis, scudlaris, and siclike idill pepill, sall be brint on the cheek. c1505 DUNBAR Flyting 49 Irsche brybour baird, wyle beggar with thy brattis! 1609 SKENE Rej. Mag. 135 Feinzied fooles, bairdes, rynners about..after sundrie punishments, may be hanged. 1805 SCOTT Last Minstr. Introd., The last of all the bards was he Who sung of Border chivalry. 3. Applied to the early versifying minstrels or poets of other nations, before the use of writing, as the Old English gleeman, Scandinavian scald, etc. 1623 COCKERAM, Bardes, ancient Poets. 1763 J. BROWN Poetry & Mus. iv. 41 After a certain Period of Civilization, the complex Character of Legislator and Bard would separate. 1775 T. WARTON Eng. Poetry I. Diss. i. 34 Various Islandic odes..which were sung by the Scandinavian bards. 1855 MILMAN Lat. Chr. II. IV. iv. 283 A Teutonic literature has begun; the German bards have become Christian poets. 4. poet. A lyric or epic poet, a Osinger¹; a poet generally. [Chiefly after Lucan; quot. 1627 in 1.] [1606 SHAKES. Ant. & Cl. III. ii. 16 Hoo, Hearts, Tongues, Figure, Scribes, Bards, Poets, cannot Thinke speake, cast write sing, number: hoo, His loue to Anthony.] 1667 MILTON P.L. VII. 34 That wild rout that tore the Thracian bard In Rhodopè. 1704 POPE Messiah 37 The Saviour comes, by ancient bards foretold. 1769 GARRICK Song Wks. 1785 II. 427 For the bard of all bards was a Warwickshire Bard. 1809 BYRON (title) English Bards and Scotch Reviewers. 1834 CUNNINGHAM Burns (1850) 154/2 The character of the Ayrshire bard. 1881 (title) The Bard of Avon Birthday Text-book compiled from Shakespeare's Plays and Poems. 5. Comb., as bard-craft; bard-like adj. 1763 J. BROWN Poetry & Mus. ix. 168 The first great Bard-like Character we meet with [in China] is Confucius. 1808 SCOTT Marm. Introd. 213 The keener rush of blood That throbs through bard in bard-like mood. 1820 T. MITCHELL Aristoph. I. 205 Ye verse-smiths and bard-mechanicians. 1840 BROWNING Sordello II, 312 Forswearing bard-craft. > From: Lee Thompson-Herbert > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:32:42 -0700 (PDT) > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] bard? > > > Can someone who's better versed in general medieval history point > me to the first use of the word "bard"? I know troubadour, jongleur, > ollamh, and duear...but none of those encompass the modern construction > that most people mean when they say "bard." I have a feeling that my > knowledge of the real irish, french and norse/icelandic customs is probably > a stumbling block to my understanding this "bard" stuff... > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 15:15:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27464 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:15:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49J3NC11878; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:03:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49J3MD07349; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:03:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49IqKD29993 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:52:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.30]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020509185218.YLTN6079.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:52:18 +0200 Message-ID: <3CDAC572.D9FC6596@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] 18th c. French mans Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 20:52:35 +0200 Status: RO It's lovely, and of course I saved the pictures staright away but... OHMIGOD that guy is putting the coat on!!!! It's a silk coat, the silk is already shattered in places, dry rot has set in and he's putting it on and flexing and bending his arms and stuff. Makes my lil heart bleed, couldn't he put it carefully just onto a stand... Anyway, I think that Bjarne's embroidery is BETTER! :-) Nicole Hi Duchesse ! Welcome back again. We have missed you very much. And thanks for those lovely words, blush........ I have finished the right back vent embroidery, so now i need to do one left vent, 2 cuffs and the left side of the waistcoat and Voila, finished after 3 years. Lovely to have you back where you belong, we missed your postings a lot!!! Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 15:15:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27470 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:15:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49J3hC11916; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49J3hD07593; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49IsjD01600 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVU00HVXXV8M1@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 May 2002 11:54:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] more specs In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020509113843.00c4a830@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:39:49 -0700 Status: RO >Kayta, that does sound like a lot of us I suspect. My glasses need to be >replaced, but I keep spending the money on fabrics and dolls and teddy >bears, and my latest effort - fencing. It is a matter of priority and we >have ours set just fine. Not so much that I spend on one thing rather than another. It's just that I can make costumes our of fabric I already have, but the glasses represent a substantial investment all at once. Maybe if I had a real job... Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 15:15:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27476 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:15:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49J3uC11955; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49J3uD07765; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49IucD02836 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:56:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EBD77724 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by pop.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 749F13A8032 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03a301c1f78a$2c604a20$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <18FBC5B1520@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <3CDA7130.E98BBC9C@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:48:56 -0400 Status: RO I have a friend looking for orange wool for me! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements > Hey, Teddy....speaking on non-subtle outfits, I saw one done in shades > of orange on a very nice lady at an event this past weekend. Thought of > you and Lainie (another orange-lover on another list). The wearer > created it using different sari silks, and it seems she was also married > in the same dress..... > --sue > > Teddy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Oh, good, because the fabric I just dyed for my new Elizabethan > > > middle class gown came out, not the deep purplish blue I was > > > trying for, but a rather brisk violet. It's outside drying on the > > > lawn, and the contrast is so pretty I've decided to give it a grass > > > green forepart and sleeves. > > > > Sounds lovely! > > > > > What can I say, I'm just not a subtle person. > > > > Yayayayay! > > > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 15:52:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27599 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:52:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49JdNC16728; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:39:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49JdLD29511; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:39:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49JTkD24074 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:29:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.4c.b319d76 (4249) for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:29:31 -0400 (EDT) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.b319d76.2a0c281a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] more specs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4c.b319d76.2a0c281a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:29:30 EDT Status: RO --part1_4c.b319d76.2a0c281a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/9/02 3:04:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kayta@frys.com writes: > I can make costumes our of fabric I already have, but the glasses represent > a substantial investment all at once. Yep, I have that lovely stash too. And bifocals are just way too expensive. When I planned to retire, I thought I was in good shape, but the insurance that was supposed to provide me with a monthly income didn't. The agent lied! My social security should have been higher, but I was dumb enough to have low paying jobs the last six years of working. And the pension isn't what I was hoping for either. So I really should get a part time job, but I truly hate the idea of punching a clock (even figuratively) ever again. Oh well, as long as I have a fabric stash I can amuse myself cheaply. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_4c.b319d76.2a0c281a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/9/02 3:04:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kayta@frys.com writes:


I can make costumes our of fabric I already have, but the glasses represent
a substantial investment all at once.  Maybe if I had a real job...


      Yep, I have that lovely stash too.  And bifocals are just way too expensive.  When I planned to retire, I thought I was in good shape, but the insurance that was supposed to provide me with a monthly income didn't.  The agent lied!  My social security should have been higher, but I was dumb enough to have low paying jobs the last six years of working.  And the pension isn't what I was hoping for either.  So I really should get a part time job, but I truly hate the idea of punching a clock (even figuratively) ever again.  Oh well, as long as I have a fabric stash I can amuse myself cheaply.

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--part1_4c.b319d76.2a0c281a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 15:58:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27619 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 15:58:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49JkTC17457; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:46:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49JkSD03683; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:46:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49JdDD29429 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:39:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA24523 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:58:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200205091958.MAA24523@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 12:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" wrote: > > Well, I don't know if bard and troubadour mean the same thing to you, but > I'm reading a book right now talking about female singers and performers in > south of France or Spain (gosh I have to check my sources) around 1100, > right before the spanish reconquistada. (or whatever they call it) They don't, actually. And judging from the OED entry that I got, it looks like the early english scholars didn't distinguish between faile/ (harpists, or bards) and ollamh (ollav, litterally, someone of learning), and brehon (judges, legal experts). And that ignores seanachai (shanachie, storytellers, historians), and singers who put their own spin on the songs they sing. The little bits of the oldest styles of irish and scottish singing that we still have strongly resemble swedish and norweigian styles, and then some medieval provencal styles. Not a big suprise, given the list of migrations to the area. Troubadours wrote songs, but often didn't perform them. Jongleurs were the professional musicians and singers. This is why "bard" as most modern folk use it seems so weird to me. It appears to be a product of the english scholars only sort of recognizing the role of the ollamh in irish society (they were the intelligensia), and then concatonating it with what they knew about troubadours and jongleurs. This seems to be similar to the path that certain welsh tales took on their way to becoming the french Arthur romances. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 16:28:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27723 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:28:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49KGNC22044; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49KGLD23416; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:16:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49K8aD18724 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:08:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.126.133]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g49K8Xt00076 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:08:33 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] more specs Message-ID: <3CDA763A.26714.135D723C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:14:34 -0700 Status: RO > Kayta, that does sound like a lot of us I suspect. My glasses need to > be replaced, but I keep spending the money on fabrics and dolls and > teddy bears, and my latest effort - fencing. It is a matter of > priority and we have ours set just fine. Hey, my problem isn't that I spent the money on other things but I keep forgetting to make the doctor's appointment. However, with all the discussions we've been having, I finally made the appointment (for a week from today). Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 16:34:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27743 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:34:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49KMPC22844; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49KMND26847; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:22:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f258.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49KEKD22211 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:14:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:14:15 -0700 Received: from 63.162.162.1 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 20:14:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.162.162.1] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements-2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 20:14:15.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[176B5630:01C1F796] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 20:14:14 +0000 Status: RO My husband did something remarkably similar - took the lenses out of an old pair of his modern glasses, made frames that were appropriate (read: period), added chains at the side with beads at the ends for weight, and went to his first SCA event wearing them. (His clothing was nowhere close to being as wonderful, tho!) Unfortunately, he broke them not too long afterwards and hasn't yet repaired them. He said he wouldn't want to try and do anything like calligraphy or illumination in them, but they were certainly good enough for wandering around an event. :) Mary/Katerine >It appears that someone could take a spare pair, remove the temple-pieces, >and add loops thru the holes left by their hinges. They'd look more like >the loop-side things we're all finding. > > >Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( >/----\ /---\)) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 16:46:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27787 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:46:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49KY2C24266; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49KY1D03470; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g49KXSD03166 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:33:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 8352 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 20:45:57 -0000 Received: from 66-81-36-40-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.36.40) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 9 May 2002 20:45:57 -0000 Message-ID: <3CDADCB5.1BC2C39D@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements References: <3.0.6.32.20020508165747.03856220@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 13:31:49 -0700 Status: RO Margo that's not true, your as subtle as Teddy. Stephen - Running for the hills. Margo Anderson wrote: > but a rather brisk violet. It's outside drying on the lawn, and the contrast is > so pretty I've decided to give it a grass green forepart and sleeves. > > What can I say, I'm just not a subtle person. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 17:05:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27891 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:05:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49Kr2C26351; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49Kr1D14241; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49KqFD13826 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:52:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net16sp104.directcon.net [209.233.107.104]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g49KpeUX017942; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:51:41 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020509130524.038653b0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-Reply-To: <3CDADCB5.1BC2C39D@2xtreme.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20020508165747.03856220@pop.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 13:05:24 -0700 Status: RO At 01:31 PM 05/09/2002 -0700, Stephen Bergdahl wrote: >Margo that's not true, your as subtle as Teddy. >Stephen, in this discussion, you don't have a solid colored leg to stand on! Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 18:17:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28207 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 18:17:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49M52C03664; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49M50D24487; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02ps.bigpond.com (mta02ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.134]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49M4OD24166 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.87]) by mta02ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GVV6N400.9L1 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:04:16 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-77.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.77]) by psmam07.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0m 119/991496); 10 May 2002 08:04:16 Message-ID: <3CDBE179.90E23CD2@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:04:25 -0700 Status: RO LalahTT@aol.com wrote: > I don't understand the questioning of buttons. Fabric buttons > are found on extant garment fragments listed in the Textiles and > Clothing book from the Museum of London. There are pictures from the > late fourteenth century showing both buttons and buttonholes, so they > were used for closing garments. They even show the methods by which > some of the buttons and buttonholes were made. > It's one of those very ancient myths that arose in the pre-dawn of reenactment. I don't know where it came from, but I can't say I've ever heard it expressed to my face, only second-hand. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 18:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28291 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 18:29:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49MH2C04687; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49MH1D02005; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06ps.bigpond.com (mta06ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.138]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49MG6D01288 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.87]) by mta06ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GVV76N00.FT6 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:15:59 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-77.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.77]) by psmam07.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0m 119/1000595); 10 May 2002 08:15:59 Message-ID: <3CDBE45F.4DC37582@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Skirt-bodice attachements, was: Re: [h-cost] totally different topic References: <20020507.080534.-188145.0.Cley@juno.com> <3CD7B360.9140.893E25E@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:16:47 -0700 Status: RO kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > > As to separate skirts, it's not clear from extant items how they > were constructed. It is certainly an educated guess (based on the > trunkhose example I used previously) that they were pleated (by > whatever means) onto a waistband. > There is, in one of Janet Arnold's books I think, a quotation from one of those 17th century tailor's dictionary (similar, (or maybe the same, my memory isn't that good)) to a quote in The Cut of Women's Clothes) that describes a ribbon that sewn over the top of the pleats of a petticoat to keep them together. The description makes it sound more like a binding than a waistband per se, and it wasn't called a waistband but I guess it served the same function.... Claire (the vague...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 19:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28473 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:12:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49Mv5C08367; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49Mv1D25324; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49MuUD25038 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 16:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVV00EOY92594@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] more specs In-reply-to: <4c.b319d76.2a0c281a@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020509154908.00c51540@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:50:28 -0700 Status: RO > And bifocals are just way too expensive. What I need are trifocals, and am making do with bifocals. Modern glasses frames aren't big enough to put trifocals in, so I'm hitting thrift stores looking for frames - assuming I can get a cheap optometrist to use old frames (some won't). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 19:15:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28491 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:15:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49N36C08910; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:03:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49N36D28596; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:03:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout04 (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49N2oD28463 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:02:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp234016pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net [68.55.178.225]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GVV00GD19CL9G@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 May 2002 19:02:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Liz / Cozit To: h-costume Message-id: <3CDB0014.1C7B29D9@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Subject: [h-cost] "Flat caps" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 19:02:45 -0400 Status: RO Ok... new question for those who do other than noblewear in the late 1400s, to mid 1500s. I know that by Elizabethian times craftsmen (and craftswomen) and apprentices might have chosen a flat cap for daily wear.... or rather I've seen such claimed quite a few places. Does anyone know when the flat cap began being worn by craftsmen/women in England? Or does anyone have any suggestions other than biggins or other "coif" type hat for a craftswoman during Henry VIII's time (1530s for now...)? Run out of places I can look to figure it out reliably, not to mention I've gone off on *way* too many tangents both in book and web form while looking in the last couple of weeks..... TIA, -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 19:15:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28495 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:15:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g49N32C08891; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g49N31D28551; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (relay01.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g49N2ZD28348 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:02:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 14015 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 23:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.193.116]) (envelope-sender ) by relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 May 2002 23:02:34 -0000 Message-ID: <003d01c1f7ad$6efd9540$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <18FBC5B1520@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <3CDA7130.E98BBC9C@in-tch.com> <03a301c1f78a$2c604a20$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:01:18 -0400 Status: RO I had seen some at Jomar's in Philadelphia, last fall. > I have a friend looking for orange wool for me! > > Hey, Teddy....speaking on non-subtle outfits, I saw one done in shades > > of orange on a very nice lady at an event this past weekend. Thought of > > you and Lainie (another orange-lover on another list). The wearer > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 20:33:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28972 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:33:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A0L3C14221; Thu, 9 May 2002 18:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A0L1D02494; Thu, 9 May 2002 18:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A0KLD02212 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 18:20:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.124] (as3-4-138.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.124]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g4A0KI426557 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 17:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] bard? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:19:38 -0700 Status: RO > > From: Lee Thompson-Herbert >> Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >> Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:32:42 -0700 (PDT) >> To: h-costume@net.indra.com >> Subject: [h-cost] bard? >> >> >> Can someone who's better versed in general medieval history point >> me to the first use of the word "bard"? I know troubadour, jongleur, >> ollamh, and duear...but none of those encompass the modern construction >> that most people mean when they say "bard." I have a feeling that my >> knowledge of the real irish, french and norse/icelandic customs is probably > > a stumbling block to my understanding this "bard" stuff... The problem is that the word has significantly different meanings depending on cultural context and era. Things are simpler if you're talking only about the use of "bard" as an English word, in English -- in which case, the OED entry covers the matter fairly well. But people will also use "bard" when talking about the various forms of the word that appear in a variety of Celtic-speaking cultures at a variety of time-periods -- which then involves a number of conflicting and contradictory meanings. If you're expanding to mean "any cognate of the word 'bard' in any language", then the earliest written occurrence would be references by classical Greek writers to the social class among the continental Celts known as "bardoi" (a Greek plural of a borrowed Celtic word). When a modern person, speaking English, uses the word "bard" they may mean: (a) any of the English meanings as set out in the OED (b) the specific meaning of the related word in a specific Celtic-speaking culture at a specific time-period ... which may or may not be indicated by context (c) the relatively generic and non-culture-specific meaning assigned to the word in medievaloid role-playing games and fantasy literature Even if considering _only_ historic uses of the various language-specific forms of the word, you end up with a variety of highly specific and entirely non-corresponding meanings. What you end up with is one of those words like "feudalism" or "Celtic" where the only way to clearly understand what the speaker intends is to get them to explain what they mean _without_ using the word in question. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 21:04:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29128 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:04:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A0r1C15910; Thu, 9 May 2002 18:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A0r0D12917; Thu, 9 May 2002 18:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A0qmD12844 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 18:52:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A5F10F1ED for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by pop.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BD6F73A802F for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005a01c1f7bc$d607c3f0$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <18FBC5B1520@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <3CDA7130.E98BBC9C@in-tch.com> <03a301c1f78a$2c604a20$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> <003d01c1f7ad$6efd9540$01fea8c0@vaio> Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:51:33 -0400 Status: RO I mis spoke. She had seen some. If it's still there, she is going to get it for me. All I have to do in exchange is use her silk to make her some chemises. Oh, the pain...the agony... Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowena" To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements > I had seen some at Jomar's in Philadelphia, last fall. > > > I have a friend looking for orange wool for me! > > > Hey, Teddy....speaking on non-subtle outfits, I saw one done in shades > > > of orange on a very nice lady at an event this past weekend. Thought of > > > you and Lainie (another orange-lover on another list). The wearer > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 21:07:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29144 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:07:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A0u1C16135; Thu, 9 May 2002 18:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A0u0D13874; Thu, 9 May 2002 18:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (mail@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A0tPD13673 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 18:55:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p719-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.194.211] by smtp2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 175ygs-0005SH-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:55:22 +1200 Message-ID: <007301c1f7bd$5d9574c0$d3c2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <18FBC5B1520@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <3CDA7130.E98BBC9C@in-tch.com> <03a301c1f78a$2c604a20$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> <003d01c1f7ad$6efd9540$01fea8c0@vaio> Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:55:22 +1200 Status: RO > I had seen some at Jomar's in Philadelphia, last fall. > > > I have a friend looking for orange wool for me! And I have wide tangerine orange wool stored under my bed:). I keep changing my mind as to what I want to do with it. It would make wonderful garb, but I want to wear it fairly often as it is so striking. I'm thinking a coat pattern in Changing Trends of Fashion might be altered to be flamboyant enough for my wool. Or I could mimic my black 1970s 3/4 circle skirted frogged, circular yoked coat... Imagine the tastiest, juiciest orange mandarin... that's what my wool looks like it would taste like. michaela ps, there might be some more left at $US2/m but shipping might be a pain. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 21:25:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29192 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:25:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A1E1C17134; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A1E1D19242; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A1DWD19088 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVV00MLCFEJPX@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 May 2002 18:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-reply-to: <03a301c1f78a$2c604a20$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020509180526.00c50b20@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <18FBC5B1520@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <3CDA7130.E98BBC9C@in-tch.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 18:13:26 -0700 Status: RO >I have a friend looking for orange wool for me! I am told that in heraldry, orange is called 'tawny' in blazons, and it's one of the regular colours. This occurs after the period SCA heraldry rules come from, but still within the greater SCA period(s). Teddy - can you put all your retainers in orange livery? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 21:30:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29210 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:30:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A1I2C17362; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A1I1D20439; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A1HgD20352 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:17:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9224D10F1E9 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by pop.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B2F33A8029 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00e101c1f7c0$5224f5e0$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <18FBC5B1520@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <3CDA7130.E98BBC9C@in-tch.com> <03a301c1f78a$2c604a20$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> <003d01c1f7ad$6efd9540$01fea8c0@vaio> <007301c1f7bd$5d9574c0$d3c2adcb@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 21:16:32 -0400 Status: RO She got it! And I think there is enough to make a Tudor gown. Oh, I hope, I hope, it's a wonderful BRIGHT orange and not a rusty shade. I want eye-poppingly orange! Dianne and yes, shipping might be a bit much. Thanks anyway! ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements > > Imagine the tastiest, juiciest orange mandarin... that's what my wool looks > like it would taste like. > > > michaela > ps, there might be some more left at $US2/m but shipping might be a pain. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 21:35:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29227 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:35:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A1O2C17647; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A1O1D21972; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A1NRD21791 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 19:23:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24532 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:44:30 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020509180526.00c50b20@mail.frys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:44:29 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 9 May 2002, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > Teddy - can you put all your retainers in orange livery? No reason why not. I've seen at least one source citing documents that showed livery didn't necessarily reflect the heraldry of the household head, or even heraldic colors at all. It apparently reflected whatever fabric the householder could get in appropriate price and quantity, and the colors changed periodically based on availability of suitable cloth. Now, that's from memory, so I could have screwed something up there. If anyone feels the pressing need for more specific detail, let me know and I'll dig up the book, which is somewhere in the basement. --Robin, known to have been wrong before _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 22:25:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29495 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 22:25:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A2D2C20479; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A2D1D06105; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from broadviewnet.net (unix4.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4A2C0D05820 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13494 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 02:11:58 -0000 Received: from s41.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.91) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 10 May 2002 02:11:58 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020509220404.00ab6680@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200205100115.g4A1F2D19604@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_310583753==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Re: orange wool Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 22:12:47 -0400 Status: RO --=====================_310583753==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >I have a friend looking for orange wool for me! > >Dianne Yes, I found 3 bolts of it *grin* in Wal-Mart's Dollar-a-yard bin. I snapped up two bolts. Victoria Wickens Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/index2.html Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/ --=====================_310583753==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I have a friend looking for orange wool for me!

Dianne

Yes, I found 3 bolts of it *grin*  in Wal-Mart's Dollar-a-yard bin.  I snapped up two bolts.

Victoria Wickens
Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/index2.html
Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/

 --=====================_310583753==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 22:29:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29530 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 22:29:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A2I1C20696; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A2I0D07496; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A2HuD07461 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:17:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Or31BllrXjvlKLDUG++MU3k="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G2ERNMXM; Thu, 09 May 2002 22:16:25 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] more specs Message-ID: <20020509.191604.-188145.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-6,8-32 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:50:43 +0000 Status: RO Have you considered graduated lenses? I love mine--once you get used to working with their focus points, they're a joy. Arlys On Thu, 09 May 2002 15:50:28 -0700 Carolyn Kayta Barrows writes: > > > And bifocals are just way too expensive. > > What I need are trifocals, and am making do with bifocals. Modern > glasses > frames aren't big enough to put trifocals in, so I'm hitting thrift > stores > looking for frames - assuming I can get a cheap optometrist to use > old > frames (some won't). > > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 22:38:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29619 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 22:38:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A2R1C21149; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A2R0D10050; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A2QCD09858 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:26:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.1a1.20c2902 (3314) for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 22:26:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <1a1.20c2902.2a0c89b9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] more specs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a1.20c2902.2a0c89b9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:26:01 EDT Status: RO --part1_1a1.20c2902.2a0c89b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/9/02 7:18:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cley@juno.com writes: > > What I need are trifocals, and am making do with bifocals. Modern > > glasses > > frames aren't big enough to put trifocals in, so I'm hitting thrift > > stores > > looking for frames - assuming I can get a cheap optometrist to use > > old > I have a trifocal.gradiated. And I just got my lenses and frames less than a year ago. I got mine at Lenscrafters. And they had quite a few frames that would work. Osmondia --part1_1a1.20c2902.2a0c89b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/9/02 7:18:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cley@juno.com writes:


> What I need are trifocals, and am making do with bifocals.  Modern
> glasses
> frames aren't big enough to put trifocals in, so I'm hitting thrift
> stores
> looking for frames - assuming I can get a cheap optometrist to use
> old


I have a trifocal.gradiated.  And I just got my lenses and frames less than a year ago.  I got mine at Lenscrafters.  And they had quite a few frames that would work.

Osmondia --part1_1a1.20c2902.2a0c89b9_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 9 22:44:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29658 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 22:44:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A2X0C21459; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A2X0D11825; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A2WqD11784 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:32:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.16e.d68f4c2 (25305) for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 22:32:42 -0400 (EDT) From: LLWatts@aol.com Message-ID: <16e.d68f4c2.2a0c8b4a@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Subject: [h-cost] Shinrone question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:32:42 EDT Status: RO Hello everyone, A friend and I were going over the Shinrone gown page at reconstructinghistory.com recently. I know there's people on this list who've made Shinrones, is the waist of the dress supposed to fall at the wearer's natural waist or lower? It's not clear from the pictures. My guess is that it's supposed to land between waist and hips, because that would make the dress waist a little larger and easier to pull over one's head; but then the wouldn't the darts be in the wrong place to be pregnancy adjustments? Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 01:22:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30322 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 01:22:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A5A7C29120; Thu, 9 May 2002 23:10:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A5A0D26594; Thu, 9 May 2002 23:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A59nD26562 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 23:09:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m200.in-tch.com [216.166.191.200]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4A4v2902846 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 22:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CDB5756.2A488219@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Help with hat sources!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 23:15:02 -0600 Status: RO Hi, gang. I just *know* I saved some old messages about historically accurate straw hats, but can I find them now??? oh, heck no.....;-( I seem to recall some discussion about the relatively wide-brimmed straw hats (kinda like the "coolie hats" you can buy in some import stores), which had a flatter crown on them than said coolie hats. These relatively flat straw hats were used in the Colonial U.S.? (I think...it's been a long week) and also showed up in a similar style in 16th c. Flemish clothing for middle-class women..... I very much need a shade hat for summer events, as I've really got to minimize my sun exposure (I already do the shade and sunscreen thang! ), and am really hoping to find a source--merchant, sutler, etc., who sells these things. Or, alternatively, some sources for buying the straw braid and instructions on how to *make* one of the darned things! Can anybody help me with this? Thanks so much, Sue, hatless in MT (hey, sunshine and *no snow* today--yeah!!!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 02:58:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25987 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 02:58:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A6j3C02337; Fri, 10 May 2002 00:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A6j1D20548; Fri, 10 May 2002 00:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A6iTD20392 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 00:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.151]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020510064428.VXKY295.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:44:28 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttons Message-ID: <3CDB7A57.22519.33AACA@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3CDBE179.90E23CD2@bigpond.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:44:23 +0100 Status: RO On 10 May 2002 at 8:04, Claire Clarke wrote: > > > LalahTT@aol.com wrote: > > > I don't understand the questioning of buttons. Fabric buttons > > are found on extant garment fragments listed in the Textiles and > > Clothing book from the Museum of London. There are pictures from the > > late fourteenth century showing both buttons and buttonholes, so they > > were used for closing garments. They even show the methods by which > > some of the buttons and buttonholes were made. > > > > It's one of those very ancient myths that arose in the pre-dawn of > reenactment. I > don't know where it came from, but I can't say I've ever heard it > expressed to my > face, only second-hand. I've heard it expressed to my face: by Dark Age re- enactors, for whom it may well be true. When did buttons with holes *through* them come in, BTW? I gather most early ones had a shank on the back? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 03:07:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26008 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 03:07:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A6u2C02607; Fri, 10 May 2002 00:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A6u1D23063; Fri, 10 May 2002 00:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A6tFD22900 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 00:55:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVV007YJV82WN@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 May 2002 23:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] more specs In-reply-to: <1a1.20c2902.2a0c89b9@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020509234729.00d92350@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 23:48:17 -0700 Status: RO >> > What I need are trifocals, and am making do with bifocals. Modern >> > glasses >> > frames aren't big enough to put trifocals in, so I'm hitting thrift >> > stores >> > looking for frames - assuming I can get a cheap optometrist to use >> > old > > >I have a trifocal.gradiated. And I just got my lenses and frames less >than a year ago. I got mine at Lenscrafters. And they had quite a few >frames that would work. I prefer the straight-line demarcation kind, old fashioned, but I'm used to them. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 04:31:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26261 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 04:31:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A8K3C05304; Fri, 10 May 2002 02:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A8K1D12233; Fri, 10 May 2002 02:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A8JND12102 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 02:19:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHK355JJC0001CA2@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:22:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHK3527NTO005621@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:22:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 09:17:35 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 09:17:12 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.63) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:17:03 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-reply-to: <200205091839.g49Id4D21600@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1A67F6E39CE@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 05:37:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26466 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:37:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A9Q1C06954; Fri, 10 May 2002 03:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A9Q0D24967; Fri, 10 May 2002 03:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A9PhD24901 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 03:25:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHK5GAAVWG0064YW@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:28:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHK5G07PYA005HEO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:28:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 10:23:41 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 10:22:56 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.63) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:22:54 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements-3 In-reply-to: <200205091909.g49J9SD11033@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1A797ED6431@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Woo, it *is* a lovely orange Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 05:41:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26486 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:41:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A9U1C07167; Fri, 10 May 2002 03:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A9U0D25980; Fri, 10 May 2002 03:30:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A9TCD25717 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 03:29:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHK5KLY7AO001RZQ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:32:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHK5K42PJ8003FZJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:31:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 10:27:00 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 10:26:17 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.63) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:26:14 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-reply-to: <200205100115.g4A1FDD19664@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1A7A6380F42@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 05:47:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26508 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:47:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A9a1C07305; Fri, 10 May 2002 03:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A9a1D27297; Fri, 10 May 2002 03:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A9ZID27109 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 03:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHK5S0XG7K0064YW@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:38:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHK5RSVJF4004J72@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:37:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 10:33:11 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 10:33:10 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.63) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:33:05 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-reply-to: <200205100115.g4A1FDD19664@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1A7C3985D3B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy ("Subtle, bloody subtle - no obvious weaponry... except for the Orc" - Quote about a Shadow-run costume set peresented by a group of us at eh 1992 British National SF convention) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 05:49:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26514 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:49:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4A9c0C07372; Fri, 10 May 2002 03:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A9c0D27844; Fri, 10 May 2002 03:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A9b4D27566 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 03:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHK5UFANN4013QZG@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:39:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHK5UB44YU005HEO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:39:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 10:35:12 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 10:34:25 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.63) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:34:15 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-reply-to: <200205100115.g4A1FDD19664@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1A7C8EC5BD4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 06:20:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26642 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:20:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AA92C08237; Fri, 10 May 2002 04:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AA91D04785; Fri, 10 May 2002 04:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AA82D04574 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 04:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHK6XQT2ZK006NTX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:10:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHK6XNUUV0001GXH@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:10:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 11:06:11 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 11:05:47 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.63) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:05:38 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-reply-to: <200205100115.g4A1FDD19664@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1A84EC15929@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 06:37:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26670 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:37:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AAQ1C08669; Fri, 10 May 2002 04:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AAQ0D08615; Fri, 10 May 2002 04:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AAPbD08507 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 04:25:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.145.e491492 (4012) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:25:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <145.e491492.2a0cfa17@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dye in front-loaders To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 06:25:27 EDT Status: RO Thanks for posting the instructions for Dylon. This is news to me, so now I'm looking through my "bargain fabric" stash for something to experiment with... --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 07:29:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26924 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:29:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ABHNC10447; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:17:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ABHMD19957; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:17:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AB8HD17953 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.18c.7b431a3 (4012) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:08:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <18c.7b431a3.2a0d0418@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: check out this partlet --LINK Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:08:08 EDT Status: RO This is the only link I have other than the partlet close-up, but I'm sure there's more to the portrait... http://www.marquise.de/1500/pics/1570_3.shtml --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 07:35:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26946 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:35:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ABNNC10595; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ABNMD21214; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smithers.nildram.co.uk (smithers.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4ABFHD19531 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:15:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200205101115.g4ABFHD19531@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 27826 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 10:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by smithers.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 10 May 2002 10:54:51 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:54:52 BST Status: RO Teddy wrote : > > Teddy - can you put all your retainers in orange livery? > > Tempting thought.... Hey, Jane, do the memebers of High Council > count as retainers? No, we're *advisors*. Retainers are your household: you know, the Bedwarmer, the Remembrancer, the Mistress of the Privy Purse, that sort of thing. So, as your Alderman and representative of the People, I would advise you that giving people free clothing, even just a tabard, normally makes you popular with them, and this is a Good Thing. (Don't listen to the Chancellor. He has no taste in clothing.) (And I'd like to see any of the three retainers mentioned above wearing an orange tabard with their normal kit!) Of course, you *could* decree that High Council should wear your livery in Court, along with their scarlet mantles (yes, the ones we don't yet possess) and best posh frocks. That puts me in orange, scarlet, blue, grey, day-glo pink and purple. So what other colours were you going to put on the tabard? Something tasteful in green and yellow? Or the badges of our office (mine's a nice black & yellow Bee)? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 07:47:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27036 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:47:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ABZRC10892; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:35:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ABZQD24221; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ABQrD22160 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:26:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.99.2640a647 (4012) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:26:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <99.2640a647.2a0d086f@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cool wools? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:26:39 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/7/02 5:25:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << If you look at wool under the microscope, it is covered with small overlapping scales (a bit like those on a fish). On finer wools, the scales are smaller and on heavier coarser wools, they are bigger, so usually coarse heavy wools cause more allergic reactions than fine wools. Modern "cool" wools (very lightweight) have had almost all the scale bred out, so they should cause almost no allergic reaction. >> Ok, so if I were to go fabric shopping, how can I tell if something's one of these "cool" wools? I ask, because I use lanolin lotions so I know that's not why wool gives me a rash. I'd be willing to try one of these new wool types, maybe around the house so I can take it off if it still itches. Another question, will these look anything like period wools? --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 07:59:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27070 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:59:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ABlMC11574; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:47:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ABlLD27091; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ABW1D23456 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 05:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.35.268e9348 (4012) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:31:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <35.268e9348.2a0d09a2@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: Costume sourcing info Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:31:46 EDT Status: RO Bonnie writes: << where I could buy the colored foam that they use to make a lot of the costumes? >> (snippage) <> Colored foam? Ok, I'm lost. What kinds of costumes are we talking about? Jo-Ann's carries "Foamie", which is a colored craft foam... --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 08:50:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27438 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:50:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ACcMC14658; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ACcLD10835; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:38:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ACRND08119 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a253.in-tch.com [66.62.107.53]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4ACEa911781 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:14:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CDBBDE5.86AEAB50@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cool wools? References: <99.2640a647.2a0d086f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 06:32:37 -0600 Status: RO Dunno about the actual designation of "cool" wool, but I managed to score some very nice brick-red wool (looks like a really good madder red) with a twill weave from the g-street fabrics website before they discontinued it . It's relatively light weight, drapes beautifully, etc. They had labeled it "tropical weight," which is what caught my eye, besides the color, of course. I'm going to use it to make a 14thc. century fitted gown. The color's a pretty good match for pre-analine dyes (did I spell that correctly?), and ISTR a lot of twill weaves in wool in the MoL book on textiles, so I should be okay for the 14th c. Don't know about it's appropriateness for other time periods, though. --my 2 early-morning pence.... Sue Azelana@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/7/02 5:25:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > << If you look at wool under the microscope, > it is covered with small overlapping scales (a bit like those on a fish). On > finer wools, the scales are smaller and on heavier coarser wools, they are > bigger, so usually coarse heavy wools cause more allergic reactions than fine > wools. Modern "cool" wools (very lightweight) have had almost all the scale > bred > out, so they should cause almost no allergic reaction. >> > > Ok, so if I were to go fabric shopping, how can I tell if something's one of > these "cool" wools? I ask, because I use lanolin lotions so I know that's > not why wool gives me a rash. I'd be willing to try one of these new wool > types, maybe around the house so I can take it off if it still itches. > > Another question, will these look anything like period wools? > > --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 09:04:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27601 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:04:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ACqLC15342; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:52:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ACqLD14139; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:52:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ACdMD11103 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:39:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.170.d6dd29f (4012) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:39:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <170.d6dd29f.2a0d196e@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Pictures of Peasant Beltaine and my dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:39:10 EDT Status: RO Cass writes: << At the beginning I had a snood attached to the braid but it was too heavy and pulled the braid off (I need a comb or something) >> Modern bridal veils use a haircomb whipstitched to the headband, circlet, bun cage, or tiara. In your case, it'd get stitched to the braid on the underside so the braid and your own hair would camouflage it. Oh, and a hairdresser that specializes in weddings told me a great trick to keep it in place for fine hair.: Behind the comb, make a small pincurl and secure with small bobby pins. The pincurl can't fit through the teeth of the comb, so the whole headdress stays put even for windy outdoor weddings. Where did you buy the pomander? Or did you make it? I need a goldtone one. Anyway, I look forward to more pics. *smile* --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 09:44:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27772 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:44:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ADViC17525; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ADVhD25560; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ADJQD22090 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:19:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHKDGKBQGW0057G3@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:21:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHKDG12WEE002ASC@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:17:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 14:12:45 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 14:11:52 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.63) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:11:51 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Livery colours (WAS:my list of amusements) In-reply-to: <200205101147.g4ABlWD27168@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1AB68D55134@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:11:51 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Teddy - can you put all your retainers in orange livery? > > No reason why not. I've seen at least one source citing documents that > showed livery didn't necessarily reflect the heraldry of the household > head, or even heraldic colors at all. It apparently reflected whatever > fabric the householder could get in appropriate price and quantity, > and the colors changed periodically based on availability of suitable > cloth. Thanks Robin - that *might* be uiseful to know as I've been wondering if, as King, I should do livery (if I were ever to get around to it) forthe Royal Household in Guy's personal heraldic colours (yellow and green checky) or in the heraldic colours of the country itself Scarlet with... erm.... well, I suppose white and yellow or silver and gold depending If I can do it on the basis you suggest I just need to raid the stash for orange fabric (like that'd be difficult) or get/find something in natural fibres that can be thrown in the machine with orange dye.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 09:55:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27800 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:55:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ADhLC18360; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:43:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ADhLD29491; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:43:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ADURD25199 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17643.; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:39:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:30:20 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cool wools? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4ADURD25199 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:29:54 +0100 Status: RO Dunno about fabric, but I bought some so-called "cool wool trousers" from a catalogue which are lovely and not at all scratchy to wear (not that I'm particularly sensitive). I had assumed it simply meant that they were made from a lightweight fabric. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 10:17:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28040 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:17:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AE5HC19736; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:05:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AE5GD06969; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AD14D16538 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.119.11534790 (4012) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:00:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <119.11534790.2a0d1e7b@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Timeless Textiles Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:00:43 EDT Status: RO << Does anyone on the list know of any other fabric suppliers that carry the same brocade fabrics that Timeless Textiles does? I have a friend in a real bind for a particular pattern (burgundy & gold, ak017) that they are out of. >> Hey, speaking of TT, does Timeless have a new website or something? I only get a site with baby rugs on search, and my old links don't work. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 10:17:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28044 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:17:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AE5TC19790; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:05:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AE5TD07100; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:05:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ADEJD20456 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:14:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p216-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.216] by smtp4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 176ADx-0006Bb-00; Sat, 11 May 2002 01:14:18 +1200 Message-ID: <005301c1f824$96afa890$5bceadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <99.2640a647.2a0d086f@aol.com> <3CDBBDE5.86AEAB50@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cool wools? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 01:14:15 +1200 Status: RO > > wools. Modern "cool" wools (very lightweight) have had almost all the scale bred out, so they should cause almost no allergic reaction. >> Fist I'd like to reiterate that the scale has nothing to do with allergic reactions. So if you are allergic, this will make no difference. You could try angora as this is a different type of animal altogether. An article about wool allergy: http://www.allergynursing.com/questions/wool.html So it seems it could actually be a dust mite allergy (which is really common actually, though it's actually their faeces not the mites themselves..) And though I do not agree that animal hair is non allergenic: http://www.blueskypie.com/nonfictionbycategory/healthmedicine/healthmedbooks /asthmatriggers.asp <> The suggestion that it could be all those things causing a reaction is most probable. And this is what I find about the definition of "cool wool" Cool wool: Not a single type of fabric or knit, but the symbol for a variety of extremely lightweight wool fabrics and knitwear that already meet the standards for the Woolmark. Cool wool fabrics can take the form of a traditional glen plaid or an unconventionally sheer gauze, as long as the fabric weighs 6.5 to 8 ounces per yard or less and is made from smooth worsted yarns. Cool Wool - Lightweight, dry handle wool cloth made of worsted yarn with a fabric weight of less than 330 grams per linier meter of cloth. High Twist: Wool cloth in which the yarn has been lightly twisted before being woven. This produces a springy, crisp, wrinkle-resistant cloth that has a dry, pebbly hand. It drapes well and has been taken up these past few years as lightweight men's suiting. Sometimes called "cool wool" and "high-performance" worsted. Cool Wool - Lightweight, dry handle wool cloth made of worsted yarn with a fabric weight of less than 330 grams per linier meter of cloth. Finally something with a bit more substance... http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/aqldtable/5938.html Yes, wool. This dramatic change in the wearability of wool has taken many years of intensive research by sheep breeding scientists to meet the demand for fabrics that are soft on the skin, light in weight and easy to care for. It is the diameter of the wool fibre (measured in microns) that gives clothes these qualities consumers are looking for. The finer the fibre, the softer and lighter the fabric. Wool growers in western Queensland have traditionally produced strong-medium (20-23 micron) wool. To meet customer demand and capture higher prices at the finer end of the market, the Agency is investigating whether fine wool (19 micron and less) can be economically produced in this environment. Agency scientists have introduced fine bloodline rams from the New England Tablelands of New South Wales-a fine and superfine wool growing area-into a medium wool flock in central Queensland. More than 10 years of research has been dedicated to the genetic improvement of fine wool sheep. This valuable information, combined with the Agency's research results, will allow western Queensland wool growers to make sound selection decisions and work towards increasing Queensland's share of the world fine wool market _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 10:17:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28048 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:17:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AE5XC19805; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:05:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AE5WD07141; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:05:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ADMUD22968 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:22:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-122-21-91.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.21.91] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 176ALs-0006Yp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:22:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c1f825$f0c7f840$5b157ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <18c.7b431a3.2a0d0418@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: check out this partlet --LINK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:23:56 +0100 Status: RO Gillian wrote: > This is the only link I have other than the partlet close-up, but I'm sure > there's more to the portrait... > > http://www.marquise.de/1500/pics/1570_3.shtml > Well, no; that's all there is. It's a portrait of Elisabeth of Austria, Queen of France, in the Louvre. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 10:17:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28052 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:17:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AE5eC19847; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:05:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AE5eD07202; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:05:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ADOFD23429 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHKDRUZ7QO01221J@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:27:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHKDRGCATQ001UGM@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:26:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 14:22:02 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 10 May 2002 14:21:30 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.63) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:21:26 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-reply-to: <200205101147.g4ABlWD27168@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1AB91EB54CB@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:21:26 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Tempting thought.... Hey, Jane, do the memebers of High Council > > count as retainers? > > No, we're *advisors*. Retainers are your household: you know, the > Bedwarmer, the Remembrancer, the Mistress of the Privy Purse, that > sort of thing. So, as your Alderman and representative of the > People, I would advise you that giving people free clothing, even > just a tabard, normally makes you popular with them, and this is a > Good Thing. (Don't listen to the Chancellor. He has no taste in > clothing.) Sounds good to me. > (And I'd like to see any of the three retainers mentioned above > wearing an orange tabard with their normal kit!) On the other hand, the Mistress of the Privy Purse alredy has a very nice orange and green Tudor-bethan set but I've not seen her wearing it in *years*... for that matter, the Guildmaster of the Leatherworkers has the matching set.... > Of course, you *could* decree that High Council should wear your > livery in Court, along with their scarlet mantles (yes, the ones > we don't yet possess) and best posh frocks. That puts me in orange, > scarlet, blue, grey, day-glo pink and purple. So what other > colours were you going to put on the tabard? Something tasteful in > green and yellow? Or the badges of our office (mine's a nice black > & yellow Bee)? They could wear something to indicate Guy is their King (that's be green and yellow with red accents)... It would certainly bring out the true meaning of "colourful" which is one of Guy's ambitions for his Courts (lots of colourful and no *boring*, though he's begining to suspect the latter is unavoidable...) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 10:17:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28058 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:17:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AE5pC19908; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AE5oD07310; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:05:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ADgoD29273 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:42:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p216-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.216] by smtp4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 176AfY-00071I-00; Sat, 11 May 2002 01:42:48 +1200 Message-ID: <006101c1f828$93c29df0$5bceadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <170.d6dd29f.2a0d196e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Pictures of Peasant Beltaine and my dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 01:42:49 +1200 Status: RO > Behind the comb, make a small pincurl and secure with small bobby pins. The > pincurl can't fit through the teeth of the comb, so the whole headdress stays > put even for windy outdoor weddings. Just a side note, not sure if it will work for this particular situation.. While doing a heck of a lot of extra work on Jack of All Trades a new technique for keeping out wigs on was used. As I have very long hair, pin curls are just too bulky to do under a wig (I wind up with a very thick layer of hair indeed). So we had our hair french plaited in four rows going *across* the head and alternating. The ends were then wrapped around and between the rows. The rows were what the pins were stuck into to hold the wigs on. Perhaps a single french plait under the braid would help. Then again toupee clips are fantastic. They are used for hair pieces too http://www.funwigs.com/cgi-bin/fw/WA1932_toupeeclips They are very small btw. You could sew some underneath and clip them in. I also have seen thse little things that look like very tight springs which are used in ultra short hair to hold a pice on. doesn't sound necessary here;) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 10:18:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28062 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:18:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AE5vC19936; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AE5uD07370; Fri, 10 May 2002 08:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ADmaD01354 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 07:48:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.f9.1bf30354 (4012) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 09:48:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] check out this partlet... To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:48:28 EDT Status: RO Thanks to everyone who suggested the pink-and-puff idea for this partlet. I'm going to mess with some scrap fabrics and see how it comes out, but I already think you are right. I'm going to try sewing the crossbeads trhough both layers to make the poofs stay put. << Had you thought of "faking" the narrow straps by making them wider (for stability) and sewing the shoulder-roll or sleeve-head over the top so that it covers the outer portion of the strap making it look like a narrower strap? I've heard of people doing this but never tried it myself. >> Well, my finished pattern seems to sit very still with actual narrow straps. Or rather, not separate "straps", because it's a really a continuance of the bodice piece and only seamed where it meets the back of the bodice. I also graded the "strap" to widen at both ends, filling in the uderarm area to make a circular armsceye. My intentions are to hand-tack the shoulder rolls to the armsceye edge, covering the lacing. Originally, I thought I'd sew the sleeves on as set-ins, but now I''ve decided to lace them on, because it will allow me to make a second set of sleeves later this year in white, blackworked to match my partlet. I'll make a second underskirt too, with a pale-colored forepart, and wear it with the white sleeves, following one of the fashion fads of the 1570's. (My current sleeves are the same cranberry mock-velvet as the gown, latticed with 1/4" black ribbon, and my forepart is black with gold trim, pearl strand, and gold filagrees with red gems.) With wedding preparations, I don't have much time or money to devote to my SCA wardrobe this year. I won't be able to make an entire second gown until late next year. but at least the changeable parts will allow me to vary my one gown. And I do believe that's a period thing, to have only 1 or 2 good gowns and simply vary your accessories. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 14:22:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01514 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:22:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AI3FC19064; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:03:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AI30D17126; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AI18D16030 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.157.db8abb4 (4594) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:00:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <157.db8abb4.2a0d64d3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] check out this partlet... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_157.db8abb4.2a0d64d3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:00:51 EDT Status: RO --part1_157.db8abb4.2a0d64d3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/10/2002 10:06:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Azelana@aol.com writes: > Thanks to everyone who suggested the pink-and-puff idea for this partlet. > I'm going to mess with some scrap fabrics and see how it comes out, but I > already think you are right. I'm going to try sewing the crossbeads > trhough > both layers to make the poofs stay put. > Your choice of fabric may help in this respect [Duh!]. Silk organdy might work well....on the real one, but for a mock-up, I wouldn't want the expense. Still just doing a small sample in the real stuff may be worth it. A moderately heavily starched linen gauze is plausible and may be what the original was. But on such an elaborate partlet, may not silk be a real choice? I'm just asking..... --part1_157.db8abb4.2a0d64d3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/10/2002 10:06:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Azelana@aol.com writes:


Thanks to everyone who suggested the pink-and-puff idea for this partlet.  
I'm going to mess with some scrap fabrics and see how it comes out, but I
already think you are right.  I'm going to try sewing the crossbeads trhough
both layers to make the poofs stay put.


Your choice of fabric may help in this respect [Duh!]. Silk organdy might work well....on the real one, but for a mock-up, I wouldn't want the expense. Still just doing a small sample in the real stuff may be worth it. A moderately heavily starched linen gauze is plausible and may be what the original was. But on such an elaborate partlet, may not silk be a real choice?
I'm just asking..... --part1_157.db8abb4.2a0d64d3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 15:32:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01946 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:32:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AIa3C22414; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AIa2D04766; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AIZcD04562 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:35:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.120.ffecf7b (4571) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:35:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <120.ffecf7b.2a0d6ce1@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_120.ffecf7b.2a0d6ce1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:35:13 EDT Status: RO --part1_120.ffecf7b.2a0d6ce1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/8/02 11:06:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, maggiros@adelphia.net writes: > (If you can't live without sunglasses--well, are you sure? Faires and > Tourbnies are full of shady pockets. They are green with non-reflective > trees and grass instead of glarey concrete and asphalt. Give it a try.) As for me, yes, I am sure. My eyes are incredibly sensitive. (As in, at the end of a regular SCA event, spending most of the day in a pavilion or under a tree, I have a pounding headache and I had to quit working costumed faires, even for demos.) I wear sunglasses all year round, rain or shine. I try to make sure that I have a pair that at least don't call too much attention to themselves while in costume (with the exception of my silver framed Brighton glasses, which is a whole different story entirely). And sometimes I am just plain silly, like wearing purple jewel lens with a purple coathardie and purple hat. For me it is a limitation that I have to live with. I try to make the best of it. However, I can guarantee, that the day they develop contact lenses that do the same thing as sun glasses, I will standing in line to get a pair! Kit --part1_120.ffecf7b.2a0d6ce1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/8/02 11:06:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, maggiros@adelphia.net writes:


(If you can't live without sunglasses--well, are you sure?  Faires and
Tourbnies are full of shady pockets.  They are green with non-reflective
trees and grass instead of glarey concrete and asphalt.  Give it a try.)
As for me, yes, I am sure.  My eyes are incredibly sensitive.  (As in, at the end of a regular SCA event, spending most of the day in a pavilion or under a tree, I have a pounding headache and I had to quit working costumed faires, even for demos.)  I wear sunglasses all year round, rain or shine.  I try to make sure that I have a pair that at least don't call too much attention to themselves while in costume (with the exception of my silver framed Brighton glasses, which is a whole different story entirely).  And sometimes I am just plain silly, like wearing purple jewel lens with a purple coathardie and purple hat.  For me it is a limitation that I have to live with.  I try to make the best of it.  However, I can guarantee, that the day they develop contact lenses that do the same thing as sun glasses, I will standing in line to get a pair!

Kit

--part1_120.ffecf7b.2a0d6ce1_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 15:34:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01955 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:34:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AJM2C27238; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AJM1D28655; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AJLlD28548 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.cb.21f9660f (4540) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:21:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:21:34 EDT Status: RO << "women had their lower ribs removed." >> Oh, goddess! I've heard that too! Now, I have no proof that they _didn't_, but considering the dangers involved in surgery throughout history -- heck, it still gets screwed up! -- I doubt women risked their lives to die of infection just for a corset in the Renaissance or even later in the Victorian era. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 16:04:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02220 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 16:04:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AJr3C00445; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AJr2D15511; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AJqhD15333 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-249.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.249]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E9B7FFF for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 21:52:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3CDC24F9.2050208@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Pictures of Peasant Beltaine and my dress References: <170.d6dd29f.2a0d196e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:52:25 +0200 Status: RO Hi, My wedding pomander was a gold one. I bought mine and the one for Cassandra in Utrecht but I have also an online sorce. They are actually thimble cages. http://www.barnyarns.com/products.asp?ID=CH4 Greetings, Deredere > >Where did you buy the pomander? Or did you make it? I need a goldtone one. > >Anyway, I look forward to more pics. *smile* > >--Gillian >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 16:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02266 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 16:07:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AJu1C00724; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AJu0D17150; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AJtQD16823 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 13:55:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.6.0) with ESMTP id g4AJtKH03207 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020510120837.037fb6d0@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) In-Reply-To: <120.ffecf7b.2a0d6ce1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_16661750==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:55:17 -0700 Status: RO --=====================_16661750==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:35 PM 5/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 5/8/02 11:06:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >maggiros@adelphia.net writes: > >>(If you can't live without sunglasses--well, are you sure? Faires and >>Tourbnies are full of shady pockets. They are green with non-reflective >>trees and grass instead of glarey concrete and asphalt. Give it a try.) > >As for me, yes, I am sure. My eyes are incredibly sensitive. (As in, at >the end of a regular SCA event, spending most of the day in a pavilion or >under a tree, I have a pounding headache and I had to quit working >costumed faires, even for demos.) I wear sunglasses all year round, rain >or shine. <> I try to make the best of it. However, I can >guarantee, that the day they develop contact lenses that do the same thing >as sun glasses, I will standing in line to get a pair! > >Kit Howdy all - just back on after a long, long, "if I even have to look at another sewing machine I'm going to start reaching for an ice pick" sort of vacation. I think I have a partial solution to the eye strain issue: Keep your eyes lubricated. What a lot of people think is glare getting to them is really just plain old tired, dried-out eyes. While it's not a fix all solution, just keeping drops in your eyes in desert areas (which LA is) should lengthen the time until you just have to resort to some sort of dark lens. Parasols! Depending on your time period, these lovely and useful items should help a ton. For 16th c. peoples, umbrellas were in use in Spain, Italy, and I think France during this fashion epoch so play a character from those areas if you're worried about looking "correct". For later periods look at period sources and then run with it, especially 19th c. and forward folks. I'm not sure why parasols went so far out of fashion but I'm sure the ugliness of some of the modern styles has a lot to do with it. Finding decent parasols or even frames to recover is a journey unto it's self. We have good reproductions of shoes, eyeglasses, gloves, hats, jewelry, even walking sticks but I'm not impressed with what I've seen in the parasol department. And when you do find a good one, it's hella scary expensive. Someone needs to fix that - just tell me who to write to >; ) And lastly, if you just have to put the dreaded sunglasses on, go for something with a strangely period flair even if you have to mix periods, like syphilis glasses with your regency day dress. **grins** If you can't be perfect, at least have some panache. Just a muddle of Friday afternoon opinions.... Gwyn Carnegie, suffragette Patron saint of textile-related natural disasters and hopeless causes University of California, Davis --=====================_16661750==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 02:35 PM 5/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
In a message dated 5/8/02 11:06:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, maggiros@adelphia.net writes:

(If you can't live without sunglasses--well, are you sure?  Faires and
Tourbnies are full of shady pockets.  They are green with non-reflective
trees and grass instead of glarey concrete and asphalt.  Give it a try.)

As for me, yes, I am sure.  My eyes are incredibly sensitive.  (As in, at the end of a regular SCA event, spending most of the day in a pavilion or under a tree, I have a pounding headache and I had to quit working costumed faires, even for demos.)  I wear sunglasses all year round, rain or shine. <<snips>> I try to make the best of it.  However, I can guarantee, that the day they develop contact lenses that do the same thing as sun glasses, I will standing in line to get a pair!

Kit

Howdy all -  just back on after a long, long, "if I even have to look at another sewing machine I'm going to start reaching for an ice pick" sort of vacation.

I think I have a partial solution to the eye strain issue:

Keep your eyes lubricated. What a lot of people think is glare getting to them is really just plain old tired, dried-out eyes. While it's not a fix all solution, just keeping drops in your eyes in desert areas (which LA is) should lengthen the time until you just have to resort to some sort of dark lens.

Parasols! Depending on your time period, these lovely and useful items should help a ton. For 16th c. peoples,  umbrellas were in use in Spain, Italy, and I think France during this fashion epoch so play a character from those areas if you're worried about looking "correct".

For later periods look at period sources and then run with it, especially 19th c. and forward folks. I'm not sure why parasols went so far out of fashion but I'm sure the ugliness of some of the modern styles has a lot to do with it. Finding decent parasols or even frames to recover is a journey unto it's self. We have good reproductions of shoes, eyeglasses, gloves, hats, jewelry, even walking sticks but I'm not impressed with what I've seen in the parasol department. And when you do find a good one, it's hella scary expensive. Someone needs to fix that - just tell me who to write to >; )

And lastly, if you just have to put the dreaded sunglasses on, go for something with a strangely period flair even if you have to mix periods, like syphilis glasses with your regency day dress. **grins** If you can't be perfect, at least have some panache.

Just a muddle of Friday afternoon opinions....

Gwyn Carnegie, suffragette
Patron saint of textile-related natural disasters and hopeless causes
University of California, Davis
--=====================_16661750==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 16:21:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02372 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 16:21:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AKA2C01999; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AKA0D24686; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AK9VD24379 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:09:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.18f.7b4f6de (4540) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 16:09:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <18f.7b4f6de.2a0d82ee@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: check out this partlet --LINK Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:09:18 EDT Status: RO Stevie writes: << Well, no; that's all there is. It's a portrait of Elisabeth of Austria, Queen of France, in the Louvre.>> How disappointing! I was so hoping to see her skirt someday... *sigh* --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 18:09:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02878 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 18:09:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ALv1C13521; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ALv0D22752; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ALulD22650 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:56:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KeckSimba@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.19e.21498b4 (3935) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 17:56:40 -0400 (EDT) From: KeckSimba@aol.com Message-ID: <19e.21498b4.2a0d9c17@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: Costume sourcing info To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:56:39 EDT Status: RO I bought several costumes;Pokemon,was one that are made out of a thin pink foam material, I checked at JoAnns here and all they have is white and green foam. Bonnie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 18:20:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02953 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 18:20:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4AM92C14734; Fri, 10 May 2002 16:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AM91D29210; Fri, 10 May 2002 16:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe23.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4AM8dD28996 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 16:08:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 May 2002 15:08:33 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: <19e.21498b4.2a0d9c17@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: Costume sourcing info MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2002 22:08:33.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[39A2BF70:01C1F86F] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:08:36 -0400 Status: RO Hm, I don't know if you're aware that this is a list of discussion about historical costumes... I'm not sure the people here are the most qualified to help you find foam and Pokemon costumes... they're, in general, more qualified to talk about linen and wool, corsets, pleating, dyeing and general historical costume construction... Not to say that someone might not know the answer, just that it's a bit off-topic... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: Costume sourcing info > I bought several costumes;Pokemon,was one that are made out of a thin pink > foam material, I checked at JoAnns here and all they have is white and green > foam. > Bonnie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 21:43:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03618 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 21:43:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4B1V5C28835; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:31:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B1V1D09700; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02ps.bigpond.com (mta02ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.134]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B1UiD09628 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.87]) by mta02ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GVXAV000.E70 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 11:30:36 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-62.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.62]) by psmam07.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0m 119/679512); 11 May 2002 11:30:36 Message-ID: <3CDD6380.3DEA51AD@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Australian pearls? References: <11c.10da36aa.2a0ad097@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 11:31:28 -0700 Status: RO Azelana@aol.com wrote: > << Furthermore, genuine pearls are available from Australia for a very cheap > price, though of course using 1500 would not be cheap ever. The Australian > ones are freshwater pearls but chosen for their regularity. >> > > Would you have any contact info for these? I mean, heck, if I can afford > real I'll certainly use them on my wedding gown. > > Well they might be getting suddenly a lot more expensive - there's been a big oyster kill here due to an algal bloom.... Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 22:52:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03802 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 22:52:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4B2e9C02210; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:40:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B2e8D27922; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (mail@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B2dJD27722 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:39:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p138-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.212.138] by smtp2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 176Mmy-0003TL-00; Sat, 11 May 2002 14:39:17 +1200 Message-ID: <002701c1f895$09d27e90$8ad4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <120.ffecf7b.2a0d6ce1@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1F8F9.9E29A8C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Re: sunglasses Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 14:39:12 +1200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1F8F9.9E29A8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <<(If you can't live without sunglasses--well, are you sure? Faires and = Tourbnies are full of shady pockets. They are green with non-reflective = trees and grass instead of glarey concrete and asphalt. Give it a = try.)>> And for me, I *have* to wear sunglasses outdoors unless it is very over = cast. I am on a quinine derivative (every day btw) which can cause = severe eye damage and sunglasses help to control that. I haven't had to test this in situ re SCA events, as I've only been on = this medication for a few months but I would not wear my pink plastic = frames with purple lenses;) I know that various peoples have also used coverings made of solid = wood/or similar material with a thin slit to look through. This cuts out = the glare and you still have good vision- try looking through a loosely = woven sun hat you can see very well. I know sunglasses were worn in the 19thC in a very similar style to the = "Lennon" style. Not sure just what the purpose was as these were worn by = a women in a photo I'm sure was indoors. So I would wear something to protect my eyes, but not be too obvious = with it- ie no pink plastic;) michaela ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1F8F9.9E29A8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<<(If you can't live without=20 sunglasses--well, are you sure?  Faires and
Tourbnies are full = of shady=20 pockets.  They are green with non-reflective
trees and grass = instead of=20 glarey concrete and asphalt.  Give it a try.)>>
 
And for me, I *have* to = wear=20 sunglasses outdoors unless it is very over cast. I am on a quinine=20 derivative (every day btw) which can cause severe eye damage = and=20 sunglasses help to control that.
 
I haven't had to test = this in situ=20 re SCA events, as I've only been on this medication for a few = months  but I=20 would not wear my pink plastic frames with purple = lenses;)
 
I know that various = peoples have=20 also used coverings made of solid wood/or similar material with a thin = slit to=20 look through. This cuts out the glare and you still have good vision- = try=20 looking through a loosely woven sun hat you can see very=20 well.
 
I know sunglasses were = worn in the=20 19thC in a very similar style to the "Lennon" style. Not sure just what the = purpose was as=20 these were worn by a women in a photo I'm sure was=20 indoors.
 
So I would wear something to = protect my eyes,=20 but not be too obvious with it- ie no pink = plastic;)
 
michaela
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1F8F9.9E29A8C0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 22:57:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03826 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 22:57:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4B2j1C02442; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B2j0D29220; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:45:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B2iGD29070 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:44:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.a1.2728c325 (4414) for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 22:44:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Australian pearls? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 22:44:04 EDT Status: RO What type of pearls are you looking for. I have a few wholesale sources that I can check. I can usually pick up pearls up pretty inexpensive. Also how soon would you need them. Osmondia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 10 23:29:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04035 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 23:29:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4B3I1C04021; Fri, 10 May 2002 21:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B3I0D08270; Fri, 10 May 2002 21:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B3HsD08239 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 21:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id UAA10248 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:36:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200205110336.UAA10248@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: sunglasses Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 20:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO "michaela" wrote: > > And for me, I *have* to wear sunglasses outdoors unless it is very over = > cast. I am on a quinine derivative (every day btw) which can cause = > severe eye damage and sunglasses help to control that. > > I haven't had to test this in situ re SCA events, as I've only been on = > this medication for a few months but I would not wear my pink plastic = > frames with purple lenses;) If it's Plaquenil (hydroxychloroquine), don't take chances. My eye surgeon told me when I first started on the stuff six years ago that the most common scenario for retinal damage was too much UV exposure while on the drug. I was told in no uncertain terms to wear the darkest sunglasses I could get and a wide-brimmed hat. > I know that various peoples have also used coverings made of solid = > wood/or similar material with a thin slit to look through. This cuts out = > the glare and you still have good vision- try looking through a loosely = > woven sun hat you can see very well. Still done for things like cross-country skiing and dog-sledding. > I know sunglasses were worn in the 19thC in a very similar style to the = > "Lennon" style. Not sure just what the purpose was as these were worn by = > a women in a photo I'm sure was indoors. A lot of "blind" people wore dark glasses to disguise any gaze problems. This also goes for cross-eyed and wall-eyed individuals, and anyone with cataracts. Anyone who absolutely _needs_ vision correction today fell under the category of "blind" until quite recently. Laura Wilder Smith wrote about her sister Mary's experience at a school for the blind. A couple of the girls there could see colors and rough shapes, so they used to play tricks on one of the local merchants by identifying swatches of fabric. I mean, they're "blind" right? They had the merchant thinking they were psychic for a while. Those girls would probably be wearing very thick glasses today, but wouldn't be at an institution for the blind. I'm seriously thinking of getting violet lensed glasses in a suitable rectangle or oval frame for victorian events. After I pay to get the lenses in my regular glasses replaced. After 3 years, the titanium alloy frames are still great, but the polycarbonate lenses have finally aquired a couple nicks right in the center of my vision. Now that we've stopped our slide into poverty, I can afford to get them replaced. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 11 02:33:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA32545 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 02:33:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4B6MAC14483; Sat, 11 May 2002 00:22:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B6M1D26746; Sat, 11 May 2002 00:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B6LuD26697 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 00:21:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVX00HH1OCH50@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 May 2002 23:21:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020510231458.00d23520@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:19:53 -0700 Status: RO ><< "women had their lower ribs removed." >> > >Oh, goddess! I've heard that too! Now, I have no proof that they _didn't_, >but considering the dangers involved in surgery throughout history -- heck, >it still gets screwed up! -- I doubt women risked their lives to die of >infection just for a corset in the Renaissance or even later in the Victorian >era. You forgot the 'no anesthetic' aspect of Renaissance surgery. Anasthetic still wasn't around in the earlier pert of the Victorian era either, and I don't know when it did become commonly used. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 11 02:50:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA32591 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 02:50:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4B6d1C15072; Sat, 11 May 2002 00:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B6d0D00707; Sat, 11 May 2002 00:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B6chD00646 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 00:38:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GVXP4I00.I4G for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 02:38:42 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: sunglasses Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200205110336.UAA10248@gw.retro.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:42:50 -0700 Status: RO I guess the thing about sunglasses, then, is what period are you doing? In some cases, you've got plenty of leeway. In others, little or none, and that's only if this level of authenticity is an issue for you or for the game you happen to be involved in. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Lee Thompson-Herbert > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 8:37 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: sunglasses > > > "michaela" wrote: > > > > And for me, I *have* to wear sunglasses outdoors unless it is > very over = > > cast. I am on a quinine derivative (every day btw) which can cause = > > severe eye damage and sunglasses help to control that. > > [snippety] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 11 03:00:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32621 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 03:00:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4B6n1C15319; Sat, 11 May 2002 00:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B6n1D02662; Sat, 11 May 2002 00:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4B6mqD02629 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 00:48:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GVXPLF00.J4E for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 02:48:51 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: check out this partlet --LINK Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000801c1f825$f0c7f840$5b157ad5@dan> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:52:59 -0700 Status: RO Last summer we talked about this gown, and I know I shared out a full length copy of it. Of course, since the recent demise of my previous computer, it's vanished into the ether. But surely someone who asked me for it stil has it. There is also a b/w line drawing in Norris, if you just want the basic lines. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Stevie Gamble > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:24 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: check out this partlet --LINK > > > Gillian wrote: > > This is the only link I have other than the partlet close-up, but > I'm sure > > there's more to the portrait... > > > > http://www.marquise.de/1500/pics/1570_3.shtml > > > > Well, no; that's all there is. It's a portrait of Elisabeth of > Austria, Queen of France, in the Louvre. > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 11 12:31:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02034 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 12:31:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4BGK2C06542; Sat, 11 May 2002 10:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4BGK0D06757; Sat, 11 May 2002 10:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4BGJ2D06530 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 10:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.105] (as3-4-119.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.105]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g4BGJ0Q17236 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 09:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: sunglasses Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 09:06:50 -0700 Status: RO At 11:42 PM -0700 5/10/02, Maggie Secara wrote: >I guess the thing about sunglasses, then, is what period are you doing? In >some cases, you've got plenty of leeway. In others, little or none, and >that's only if this level of authenticity is an issue for you or for the >game you happen to be involved in. And that last part is one of the key issues here: are you participating in a group or event that is the equivalent of a theatrical performance (where visual effect is one of the primary goals), or are you participating in a group that has purposes other than "display for an audience" (in which case, visual effect may be only one of a vast number of goals). There's no point in scolding a cat for being a bad dog. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 11 12:35:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02049 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 12:35:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4BGO1C06796; Sat, 11 May 2002 10:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4BGO0D07782; Sat, 11 May 2002 10:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4BGNvD07766 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 10:23:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 29060 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 16:22:24 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082096.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.82.96) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 11 May 2002 16:22:24 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020511112832.00a008c0@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: [h-cost] Cheap Linen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 11:31:52 -0500 Status: RO Just to let people know, Phoenix Textiles has 3 colors of lightweight linen selling at a promotional price of $3.35 per yard! The 3 colors are red, terra cotta and a golden yellow. It's 100% linen, 44 inches wide. Here's the address: http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/prompriclin.html Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 11 14:03:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02364 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 14:03:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4BHpfC11828; Sat, 11 May 2002 11:51:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4BHh0D29083; Sat, 11 May 2002 11:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g4BHg8H28845 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 11 May 2002 11:42:08 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements Message-ID: <20020511114208.C8312@net.indra.com> References: <200205100115.g4A1FDD19664@net.indra.com> <1A7C3985D3B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1A7C3985D3B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 11:42:08 -0600 Status: RO Last year, a local theater company was having a costume sale. Even though I was one of the early people allowed in, many of the racks had already been savaged by people who had run to them, taken armfuls of costumes, and scuttled off to corners to try them on. Left on the rack was a bright orange Italian Ren robe. I looked at it, and saw the name of one of the actresses from the company sewn into the neckline. I subscribe to the company, so I knew the actress was blonde and fair like I am, and about my size. I also know I can wear bright orange because I do! I thought it was beautiful, so I snagged it with glee. I was probably the only person in there who wasn't turned off by the color. When I show it to friends, they think it's a difficult color to wear, but when I put it on for them they see how it can work on the right person. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 11 16:49:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03298 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 16:49:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4BKc5C19766; Sat, 11 May 2002 14:38:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4BKc0D11114; Sat, 11 May 2002 14:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepF.post.tele.dk (fepF.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4BKbiD11053 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 14:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.21]) by fepF.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020511203742.HENA6037.fepF.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 22:37:42 +0200 Message-ID: <3CDD8122.FDE7A80C@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] hunting portraits Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 22:37:54 +0200 Status: RO Hi I just want to envy you all! Tomorrow i am going with the danish lace guild on a trip to Frederiksborg Castle where we are going to hunt portraits with lace :-) Jumping up and down yeahhh!! Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 11 21:19:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04389 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 21:19:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4C17gC01389; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:07:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4C17eD13733; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4C14sD13188 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:04:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-33qtk1a.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.208.42] helo=[199.174.223.103]) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 176hnB-0006EE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 11 May 2002 21:04:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1AB68D55134@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <1AB68D55134@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Livery colours Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 14:46:42 -0700 Status: RO At 2:11 PM +0000 5/10/02, Teddy wrote: > > > Teddy - can you put all your retainers in orange livery? >> >> No reason why not. I've seen at least one source citing documents that >> showed livery didn't necessarily reflect the heraldry of the household >> head, or even heraldic colors at all. It apparently reflected whatever >> fabric the householder could get in appropriate price and quantity, >> and the colors changed periodically based on availability of suitable >> cloth. > >Thanks Robin - that *might* be uiseful to know as I've been >wondering if, as King, I should do livery (if I were ever to get around >to it) forthe Royal Household in Guy's personal heraldic colours >(yellow and green checky) or in the heraldic colours of the country >itself Scarlet with... erm.... well, I suppose white and yellow or >silver and gold depending > >If I can do it on the basis you suggest I just need to raid the stash >for orange fabric (like that'd be difficult) or get/find something in >natural fibres that can be thrown in the machine with orange >dye.... I believe that the young Earl of Essex (Elizabeth I's favorite) spent some time chasing around France, supposedly helping the Huguenots, with a rather large bunch of retainers in *bright orange* livery. I think I remember he's said to have chosen that color because one of his rivals for Elizabeth's attention, Sir Walter Raleigh, garbed _his_ followers in tangerine (or tawny, I forget) and he wanted to clash with them. Apparently he succeeded . Essex's heraldry colors, BTW, were red and white, so it's true that livery colors didn't always have much to do with the owner's heraldry. The arms of England at the time were red, gold and blue, for instance, but Elizabeth's livery colors were green and white. Her cousin (or possibly half-brother) Sir Henry Carey, Baron Hunsdon, had arms that were black and white, and livery that was blue and gold. Baron Stafford had arms in gold and red, and livery of red and black. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 11 21:52:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04485 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 21:52:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4C1ePC02555; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:40:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4C1eND22119; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4C1X7D20063 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.149] (pm5-149.eos.net [205.133.149.149]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05528 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 21:33:04 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200205100115.g4A1F2D19604@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: tawney Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:25:35 -0400 Status: RO But as a heraldic color, "tawney" is not *bright* orange. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 11 22:38:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04592 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 22:38:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4C2R5C04086; Sat, 11 May 2002 20:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4C2R2D05646; Sat, 11 May 2002 20:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4C2B6D01423 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 20:11:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.19a.2198077 (4185) for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 22:10:58 -0400 (EDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <19a.2198077.2a0f2932@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Subject: [h-cost] hand muffs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 22:10:58 EDT Status: RO Does anyone have documentation for the use of hand muffs up to 1600 C.E.? Thanks. Nancy / Ingvild _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 12 04:23:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA05945 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 04:23:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4C8BrC16168; Sun, 12 May 2002 02:11:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4C8BkD16400; Sun, 12 May 2002 02:11:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4C7wgD14158 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 01:58:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.48]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVZ00JXENHSTX@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 12 May 2002 00:58:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand muffs In-reply-to: <19a.2198077.2a0f2932@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020512005326.00d77b10@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 00:58:38 -0700 Status: RO >Does anyone have documentation for the use of hand muffs up to 1600 C.E.? In G. W. Digby's Elizabethan embroidery book, there's a picture of what sure looks like a muff, plate 78 in back. It's from the 1580's, by the costumes - it's not dated in the caption. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 12 05:33:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06124 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 05:33:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4C9LmC17423; Sun, 12 May 2002 03:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4C9LkD26441; Sun, 12 May 2002 03:21:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4C9AgD26618 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 03:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A1DC44D0208; Sun, 12 May 2002 04:11:56 -0500 Message-ID: <013a01c1f994$f7abec00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] What's My Line Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 05:11:14 -0400 Status: RO I work through the night and at 4AM I take a break and watch the old game show, "What My Line." I love watching the show for the wonderful evening wear worn by the panelists. The fun part of the show is when someone that is NOW famous is on the show, but is new to the world at that time. The biggest giggle I have had was when Col. Sanders was a guest and no one knew him or about his product. Well, tonight was another one of those giggle night... the guest was Mary Quant. They didn't know who she was but the panelists loved her mini-dress... which was about three inches above her knees. One thing that Mary said that was interesting. She was all excited about the first American retail chain to carry her clothing lines. So I will have a little fun with you all... what retail chain was it? BTW, this show originally aired in 1966 or 1967. Mary said she had just received an award from the Queen of England for her achievements in fashion. Another bonus to watching this show, on a historic note, a lot of the mystery guests, are out promoting their latest Broadway play or film. One of my favorite guests was Bette Davis who was promoting her latest film, "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane". On the game show, she wore a gown with lots of chiffon. As she went over to meet the panelists, she would throw the chiffon out in front of her very dramatically and prance a few steps. Then she would throw the chiffon again. As my first fashion professor said, "A lady must make a great entrance AND exit!" Well you all sure do miss some fun costumes on TV while you are sleeping! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 12 08:47:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06659 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 08:47:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4CCSTC25805; Sun, 12 May 2002 06:28:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4CCSRD29446; Sun, 12 May 2002 06:28:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4CCDkD26871 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 06:13:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D7710FF6E for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 08:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by pop.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D446B3A8019 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 08:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001e01c1f9ad$da38ab90$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <013a01c1f994$f7abec00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's My Line MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:09:15 -0400 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:11 AM Subject: [h-cost] What's My Line > Well, tonight was another one of those giggle night... the guest was Mary > Quant. They didn't know who she was but the panelists loved her > mini-dress... which was about three inches above her knees. One thing that > Mary said that was interesting. She was all excited about the first > American retail chain to carry her clothing lines. So I will have a little > fun with you all... what retail chain was it? I believe it was J C Penney Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 13 15:59:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15042 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 15:59:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4DJlKC09350; Mon, 13 May 2002 13:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DJksD08367; Mon, 13 May 2002 13:46:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepZ.post.tele.dk (fepz.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4CJOkD24271 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 13:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.152]) by fepZ.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020512192444.DZV26021.fepZ.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 21:24:44 +0200 Message-ID: <3CDEC185.236B392F@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] renaissance baby in long clothes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:24:54 +0200 Status: RO Hi. I am in great troubble now! The Museum of National History at Frederiksborg Castle, has asked me, if i would make lace for a doll baby in long clothes. The baby is going to look like Christian IV as a baby in 1577. This is a task i could not resist, but it means that my embroidered suit wont be finished for the oktober ball at Stockholm anyway.......BLAST Bjarne Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:54:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20478 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:54:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHg4C19567; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHg1o18453; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DJi9D06567 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 13:44:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.6.0) with ESMTP id g4DJhvH26203 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 12:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513122927.03835bb0@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_16397000==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Looking for black netting, louis heeled pumps Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:43:43 -0700 Status: RO --=====================_16397000==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've been going slightly crazy this last week shopping for pieces and parts for a 1916 ballgown. The two items that seem to be the toughest to find are fine black netting suitable for some serious beading and anything with a 2.5" Louis heel that isn't a character shoe or black. One the heels, I'm looking for them in satin that's dyeable or leather if it's a light color. Bridal shoes would work but no one seems to have that heel. I've bought from Peter Fox before (not for me personally - drat). He's my last choice just because of cost. There has to be someone selling these to brides somewhere. **bangs her head on the keyboard in frustration** Anyone have a source on these? Thanks in advance - hopefully Gwyn Carnegie, suffragette University of California, Davis --=====================_16397000==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I've been going slightly crazy this last week shopping for pieces and parts for a 1916 ballgown.  The two items that seem to be the toughest to find are fine black netting suitable for some serious beading and anything with a 2.5" Louis heel that isn't a character shoe or black.

One the heels, I'm looking for them in satin that's dyeable or leather if it's a light color. Bridal shoes would work but no one seems to have that heel. I've bought from Peter Fox before (not for me personally - drat). He's my last choice just because of cost. There has to be someone selling these to brides somewhere.

 **bangs her head on the keyboard in frustration**

Anyone have a source on these?

Thanks in advance - hopefully

Gwyn Carnegie, suffragette
University of California, Davis --=====================_16397000==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20487 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:55:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHiRC20005; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHiRo20074; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DK66o20612 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 14:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.8f.1bedae58 (4354) for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 16:05:48 -0400 (EDT) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <8f.1bedae58.2a11769b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance baby in long clothes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8f.1bedae58.2a11769b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:05:47 EDT Status: RO --part1_8f.1bedae58.2a11769b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But how wonderful to have your lace in the museum!!! And there will be other times you can wear your beautiful embroidered suit. Congratulations Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_8f.1bedae58.2a11769b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      But how wonderful to have your lace in the museum!!!  And there will be other times you can wear your beautiful embroidered suit.  Congratulations

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--part1_8f.1bedae58.2a11769b_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:55:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20491 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:55:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHiZC20042; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:44:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHiYo20176; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DKZKo08792 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 14:35:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-122-123-151.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.123.151] helo=dan) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 177MXP-00054D-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 May 2002 21:35:19 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c1fabd$e95c7c80$977b7ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <3CDEC185.236B392F@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance baby in long clothes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:36:42 +0100 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: Hi. I am in great troubble now! The Museum of National History at Frederiksborg Castle, has asked me, if i would make lace for a doll baby in long clothes. The baby is going to look like Christian IV as a baby in 1577. This is a task i could not resist, but it means that my embroidered suit wont be finished for the oktober ball at Stockholm anyway.......BLAST Bjarne, it's a great honour, and one you really deserve. I wish I had a magic wand to enable me to say: You shall go to the ball! In your new suit! But instead you'll have to go to the ball in your old suit. Well done, anyway! best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:56:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20526 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:56:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHjBC20205; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHjBo20739; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4D02qD04351 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 18:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A2F753F025C; Sun, 12 May 2002 19:04:07 -0500 Message-ID: <006601c1fa11$ab638a60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <013a01c1f994$f7abec00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <001e01c1f9ad$da38ab90$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's My Line X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:03:53 -0400 Status: RO Dianne, Yes, it was JC Penney. I sure didn't think that Penney's would have been so fashion forward at the time. Now how did you know that? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:56:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20530 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:56:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHjFC20219; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:45:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHjEo20788; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:45:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4D06GD05170 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 18:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-33qtmar.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.217.91]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1773Ly-0006Xy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 12 May 2002 20:06:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002701c1f895$09d27e90$8ad4adcb@michaela> References: <120.ffecf7b.2a0d6ce1@aol.com> <002701c1f895$09d27e90$8ad4adcb@michaela> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: sunglasses Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:26:35 -0700 Status: RO At 2:39 PM +1200 5/11/02, michaela wrote: ><<(If you can't live without sunglasses--well, are you sure? Faires and >Tourbnies are full of shady pockets. They are green with non-reflective >trees and grass instead of glarey concrete and asphalt. Give it a try.)>> > >And for me, I *have* to wear sunglasses outdoors unless it is very >over cast. I am on a quinine derivative (every day btw) which can >cause severe eye damage and sunglasses help to control that. > >I haven't had to test this in situ re SCA events, as I've only been >on this medication for a few months but I would not wear my pink >plastic frames with purple lenses;) If you're doing Middle Ages or Elizabethan period, you could try a big wide-brimmed straw hat with a black gauze or silk veil over it. I've also wondered occasionally if anyone makes UV-protective dark contact lenses. I get migraines from sun glare, especially when it's hot, and have more or less trained myself to stay in the shade at summer events, and when possible, not to stare out at brightly-sunlit scenes from my shady refuge either. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:56:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20535 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:56:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHjLC20253; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHjKo20880; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web9808.mail.yahoo.com (web9808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4D1R5D23807 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 19:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020513012705.38273.qmail@web9808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.87.134.184] by web9808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2002 18:27:05 PDT From: Kate Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Timeless Textiles To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <119.11534790.2a0d1e7b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 18:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --- Azelana@aol.com wrote: > Hey, speaking of TT, does Timeless have a new website or something? > I only get a site with baby rugs on search, and my old links >don't work. > > --Gillian Not right now. They happened to be at an SCA event that I attended yesterday. He said that they're working on it, but don't have a set date as of now. They are supposed to be doing e-flyers though. I'll post when I get one. kate __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:57:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20540 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:56:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHiVC20022; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:44:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHiVo20118; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:44:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DKVCo06191 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 14:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.116.1127ac73 (4242) for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 16:31:03 -0400 (EDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Message-ID: <116.1127ac73.2a117c87@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance baby in long clothes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_116.1127ac73.2a117c87_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10503 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:31:03 EDT Status: RO --part1_116.1127ac73.2a117c87_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations! How wonderful for you. A lot of work, it is true, but at least you are recognized as so very talented in your native land, yes? angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts." W. Shakespeare In a message dated 5/13/2002 12:57:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > Hi. > I am in great troubble now! > The Museum of National History at Frederiksborg Castle, has asked me, if > i would make lace for a doll baby in long clothes. The baby is going to > look like Christian IV as a baby in 1577. > This is a task i could not resist, but it means that my embroidered suit > wont be finished for the oktober ball at Stockholm anyway.......BLAST > > > Bjarne > --part1_116.1127ac73.2a117c87_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations!  How wonderful for you.  A lot of work, it is true, but at least you are recognized as so very talented in your native land, yes?

angela
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Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
Theatrical Costume Design
www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
"All the world's a stage,
and all the men and women merely players.
They have their exits and their entrances;
and one man in his time plays many parts."
W. Shakespeare

In a message dated 5/13/2002 12:57:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes:


Hi.
I am in great troubble now!
The Museum of National History at Frederiksborg Castle, has asked me, if
i would make lace for a doll baby in long clothes. The baby is going to
look like Christian IV as a baby in 1577.
This is a task i could not resist, but it means that my embroidered suit
wont be finished for the oktober ball at Stockholm anyway.......BLAST


Bjarne


 --part1_116.1127ac73.2a117c87_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:57:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20546 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:57:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHkMC20580; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:46:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHkMo21922; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:46:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4DDT0D26120 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 07:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020513132859.89406.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2002 14:28:59 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Nicole goes orange (just so that there's a post) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 14:28:59 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Somehow I felt it was rather silent here, so I boldly go where I never went before and post something on.... (tadaaa!) ORANGE! Teddy, you know I'm the one for the subdued and rich colours like wedgewood blue, navy, black, dark red, etc etc but I wanted to try out a 1690s morning/day gown (the mantua developed out of these gowns) which are usually made from brocad silk and lined in silk. There is one surviving on Lady Clapham's doll (on display in the V&A) and a male one from the same period currently in the 'Men in skirts' exhibition. (I'm now a Friend of the V&A and member of the Costume Society and much more often there than ever before! Wonderful...) Long story cut short, that takes at least 7-8 meters of the narrower silk brocade and the same in the plain affeta lining, funnily enough I didn't feel like hat expense on something which was experimental. I had an opholstery cotton brocade in a lovely bottle dark green with orange small patterns and needed a lining for it. For once I didn't go for the proper silk (reasons see above) but for a higher quality viscose lining in a screaming burning matching warm orange! I must admit I am amazed how blooming good the dark green looks with the orange lining. It worked out fine and looks great, just have to do the hand stitching duties now. But my goodness is this thing huge and heavy with its train. I promise piccies if anyone wants it, but we're off to an event in Cumbria next weekend. That emans if I ever get out of my mantua-incurred-debts I'll make the same one in the prope silk materials. ;-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:57:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20551 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:57:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHkVC20631; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHkVo22091; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DEKFD15074 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 08:20:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHOMM0RKDC002FL6@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 May 2002 15:22:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHOML63Y6Q007XUT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 May 2002 15:22:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 13 May 2002 15:17:18 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 13 May 2002 15:16:24 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.22) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 13 May 2002 15:16:17 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: check out this partlet --LINK In-reply-to: <200205110319.g4B3JED08551@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1F47E2843B4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 15:16:17 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Stevie writes: > > << Well, no; that's all there is. It's a portrait of Elisabeth of > Austria, Queen of France, in the Louvre.>> > > How disappointing! I was so hoping to see her skirt someday... > *sigh* Gillian, just hink of all the fun you could have gues...erm... *extrapolating* what the skirt would look like.... It could be, purple satin with green and orange tartan guards around the hem, edged in gold bobin lace laid over scarlet bands, it could be beige twill with rows of spangles making a diamond pattern interspersed with alternating rows of blue and red bobin- lace... or it could just match the bodice fabric and hang very nicely over a moderate-sized farthingale..... Teddy (having a silly moment) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:57:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20556 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:57:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHkdC20671; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHkdo22195; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DETsD19643 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 08:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHOMU8VGNK002FL6@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 May 2002 15:32:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHOMTW0RY4007XUT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 May 2002 15:28:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 13 May 2002 15:24:17 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 13 May 2002 15:24:00 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.22) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 13 May 2002 15:23:57 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-reply-to: <200205111801.g4BI1WD03931@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1F49EA0083B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 15:23:56 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Last year, a local theater company was having a costume sale. Even > though I was one of the early people allowed in, many of the racks had > already been savaged by people who had run to them, taken armfuls of > costumes, and scuttled off to corners to try them on. Left on the > rack was a bright orange Italian Ren robe. I looked at it, and saw > the name of one of the actresses from the company sewn into the > neckline. I subscribe to the company, so I knew the actress was > blonde and fair like I am, and about my size. I also know I can wear > bright orange because I do! I thought it was beautiful, so I snagged > it with glee. I was probably the only person in there who wasn't > turned off by the color. When I show it to friends, they think it's a > difficult color to wear, but when I put it on for them they see how it > can work on the right person. It must have been "mant" then... How lucky for you! Any pictures of you in it? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:57:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20553 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:57:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHkaC20652; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:46:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHkZo22145; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:46:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12807.mail.yahoo.com (web12807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4DESUD18975 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 08:28:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020513142829.61671.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.18.199.151] by web12807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2002 07:28:29 PDT From: Truly Biggs Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with hat sources!! To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3CDB5756.2A488219@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 07:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Ah! Hat sources: here are the best suppliers online: Judith M http://www.judithm.com/products.html Leko http://hatsupply.com/ both ladies are very very helpful and will take the time to help you figure out what you need. These aren's the cheap little straws that you can get for $5 - they are very nice, sturdy, fine-gague straws that feel wonderful! I believe that both places also carry the braid that you can make hats out of - and books to show you how. I only work in felt - or I would help you more. Truly --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Hi, gang. I just *know* I saved some old messages about historically > accurate straw hats, but can I find them now??? oh, heck no.....;-( > I seem to recall some discussion about the relatively wide-brimmed straw > hats (kinda like the "coolie hats" you can buy in some import stores), > which had a flatter crown on them than said coolie hats. These > relatively flat straw hats were used in the Colonial U.S.? (I > think...it's been a long week) and also showed up in a similar style in > 16th c. Flemish clothing for middle-class women..... > I very much need a shade hat for summer events, as I've really got to > minimize my sun exposure (I already do the shade and sunscreen thang! > ), and am really hoping to find a source--merchant, sutler, etc., who > sells these things. Or, alternatively, some sources for buying the > straw braid and instructions on how to *make* one of the darned things! > Can anybody help me with this? > Thanks so much, > Sue, hatless in MT (hey, sunshine and *no snow* today--yeah!!!) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:58:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20563 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:58:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHlKC20886; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHlJo22775; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx11.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx11.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.21]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DH6ED27086 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 11:06:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by mx11.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 12318106 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 May 2002 13:05:08 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c1faa0$710d6860$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] lining fabric question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:05:53 -0500 Status: RO Help! I have a lightweight linen that I want to make into a doublet for my husband. However, the linen is way too lightweight. But I'm not sure how heavy a lining fabric or what kind I should use. I want to keep this as cool as possible for him to wear. Would a heavyweight linen or linen/cotten blend be enough? Or would I need something along the lines of a denim? Thanks! ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:58:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20564 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:58:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHlPC20904; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:47:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHlPo22842; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:47:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DHcCD18147 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 11:38:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g4DHe2W73417 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 May 2002 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200205131740.g4DHe2W73417@jabberwock.wonderland.com> To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] 1914 dress patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Advice requested! I'm beginning to work on a 1914 dress, inspired by this photo: http://www.wonderland.com/~alice/sew/archives/1914_garden_dress/concept_big.html I've been through most of my books looking for similar styles so that I could draft my pattern, but the styles seem to be just a bit too early or too late for that style of dress. Does anyone have any suggestions for commercial patterns or which books I could look into? I found a few similar styles in La Mode Illustree from the Vintage Pattern Lending Library, but I dread having to get someone to translate the French for me in order to sort through their pattern-overlay-tracing hell. (that's here http://www.vpll.org/library/lamode/lm301913/index.html ) any ideas? thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:59:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20578 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:59:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHmQC21095; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHmPo23632; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DLZdo15452 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 15:35:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.116] (pm4-116.eos.net [205.133.149.116]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28748 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 17:35:36 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200205101801.g4AI1wD16589@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] slightly OT -- embroidery thread Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:28:01 -0400 Status: RO Dear list: A friend of mine wants to know what kind of embroidery silk people used in the middle ages, preferably the 14th century. She assumes they did not use the kind we do, with the six twisted strands twisted together, but doesn't know where to look to find what they did use -- how many strands, what kind of twist, how thick, etc. Do any of the esteemed folks here know? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:59:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20583 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:59:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHmeC21205; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:48:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHmeo23840; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:48:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DM0bo29293 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 16:00:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.a6.2612fe10 (3974); Mon, 13 May 2002 18:00:26 -0400 (EDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: Costume sourcing info To: h-costume@indra.com CC: KeckSimba@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a6.2612fe10.2a11917a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10503 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 18:00:26 EDT Status: RO --part1_a6.2612fe10.2a11917a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bonnie, While it is certainly true that this is primarily a historical costuming list, there are many of us here who do theatrical costuming and although the subject of the use of foam might be more common over at f-costume, I happen to have utilized the foam (I believe it is the same foam) you speak of recently on some cabaret costume pieces for the musical "Cabaret". So it isn't completely off topic, as it made a nice lightweight substitute for 1930s period "costumes" --- literally. I have no idea what substance they were originally made of, it was impossible to tell from the photographs. ;) Anyway, the company is flexi-foam and had a url on their packaging of www.fibrecraft.com. They are located in Niles, Illinois 60714 (no street given) Hope this is helpful.. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts." W. Shakespeare In a message dated 5/10/2002 3:09:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, audreybmorin2@hotmail.com writes: > Hm, I don't know if you're aware that this is a list of discussion about > historical costumes... I'm not sure the people here are the most qualified > to help you find foam and Pokemon costumes... they're, in general, more > qualified to talk about linen and wool, corsets, pleating, dyeing and > general historical costume construction... > --part1_a6.2612fe10.2a11917a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bonnie,

While it is certainly true that this is primarily a historical costuming list, there are many of us here who do theatrical costuming and although the subject of the use of foam might be more common over at f-costume, I happen to have utilized the foam (I believe it is the same foam) you speak of recently on some cabaret costume pieces for  the musical "Cabaret".  So it isn't completely off topic, as it made a nice lightweight substitute for 1930s period "costumes" --- literally.  I have no idea what substance they were originally made of, it was impossible to tell from the photographs. ;)

Anyway, the company is flexi-foam and had a url on their packaging of www.fibrecraft.com.  They are located in Niles, Illinois 60714 (no street given)

Hope this is helpful..

angela
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Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
Theatrical Costume Design
www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
"All the world's a stage,
and all the men and women merely players.
They have their exits and their entrances;
and one man in his time plays many parts."
W. Shakespeare

In a message dated 5/10/2002 3:09:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, audreybmorin2@hotmail.com writes:


Hm, I don't know if you're aware that this is a list of discussion about
historical costumes... I'm not sure the people here are the most qualified
to help you find foam and Pokemon costumes... they're, in general, more
qualified to talk about linen and wool, corsets, pleating, dyeing and
general historical costume construction...


 --part1_a6.2612fe10.2a11917a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 13:59:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20586 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:59:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHmiC21225; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:48:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHmho23898; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DMhqo22944 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 16:43:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lindo (ip170.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.170]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4DMhnFt002373 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 18:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205132243.g4DMhnFt002373@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Parasols Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 18:42:12 -0400 Status: RO http://home.earthlink.net/~gchristen/Parasols.html Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:00:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20598 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:00:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHmmC21255; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:48:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHmlo23958; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:48:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns.misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DMkco24893 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 16:46:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA22969 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 16:02:36 -0700 Message-ID: <3CE043A4.9C2E182A@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance baby in long clothes References: <3CDEC185.236B392F@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 15:52:21 -0700 Status: RO To Bjarne- Congratulations!!! What a great commission even though it bumps the suit to a back burner!!! Can you send pictures of the baby clothes when it's all said and done? Kudos in bushels to you!!! Theresa Eacker Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi. > I am in great troubble now! > The Museum of National History at Frederiksborg Castle, has asked me, if > i would make lace for a doll baby in long clothes. The baby is going to > look like Christian IV as a baby in 1577. > This is a task i could not resist, but it means that my embroidered suit > wont be finished for the oktober ball at Stockholm anyway.......BLAST > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:00:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20604 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:00:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHn5C21306; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHn5o24269; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4DNMVo23553 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 17:22:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2098.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.98]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01300 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 19:22:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3CE04A0C.4D233E42@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 19:19:41 -0400 Status: RO > References: I know there is a whole book on spectacles, the reminder of > which title I begged from someone last year, and which I have lost in the > recent hard drive crash. And in that book are any number of 15th-16th > century samples of spectacles with side pieces. Maggie, if you can remember any info about any refs showing spectacles, I would be interested. When you say "side-pieces", do you mean solid arms or the cording that we spoke about earlier? I would like to see early docs of solid earpieces, as I have never seen the like before in all of the illos I have seen. Is it possible that there was that old mistake of switching up 17th century for the 1700s? Thanks in advance, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:00:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20607 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:00:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHnAC21326; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:49:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHnAo24352; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:49:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4E0GWo24013 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 18:16:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2086.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.86]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29861 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 20:16:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3CE056B4.ADCBF4DD@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Flat caps" References: <3CDB0014.1C7B29D9@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 20:13:40 -0400 Status: RO Hi. When you say "flat-cap", which style are you referring to? I suspect that, like a number of fashionable items, the flatcap sort of evolved from earlier variants. Perhaps I can locate something from about the 1530s. I just saw an photo of a tapestry of the Battle of Pavia, showing a campfollower wearing a flat cap. The battle was in 1525 although I think the tapestry was made 5 years later. These were also Germans and Swiss in Italy, not English. I'll take a look in a few other sources I have for craftspeople of the period. Mike T. > > > Does anyone know when the flat cap began being worn by > craftsmen/women in England? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:00:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20611 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:00:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHnUC21407; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:49:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHnUo24628; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:49:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4E0tao06930 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 18:55:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 12100 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 00:53:58 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082159.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.82.159) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 14 May 2002 00:53:58 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020513200128.009ebb90@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: [h-cost] Off-Topic : Dinotopia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 20:03:17 -0500 Status: RO This is WAY off-topic, but did anyone happen to videotape the first night of Dinotopia? Please?!? If so, respond to me off-list. Thanks. Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:00:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20616 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:00:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHndC21439; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHnco24724; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4E1TDo17601 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 19:29:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GW2USI00.IRS for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 21:29:06 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] renaissance baby in long clothes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3CDEC185.236B392F@post12.tele.dk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 18:33:31 -0700 Status: RO Oh but Bjarne! Of all the things to have to put your own projects off for, this is a good one. (I presume they're paying you. ) What a terrific opportunity! And who better than you. Congratulations, MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Leif Drews > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 12:25 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] renaissance baby in long clothes > > > Hi. > I am in great troubble now! > The Museum of National History at Frederiksborg Castle, has asked me, if > i would make lace for a doll baby in long clothes. The baby is going to > look like Christian IV as a baby in 1577. > This is a task i could not resist, but it means that my embroidered suit > wont be finished for the oktober ball at Stockholm anyway.......BLAST > > > Bjarne > > > Leif Drews > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > 1635 København V > > Bjarne Drews > Åboulevard 5,3.th > 1635 København V > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:00:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20620 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:00:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHnpC21505; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:49:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHnoo24925; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:49:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4E2L2o02809 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 20:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 177Rvx-0002Ct-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 May 2002 22:21:01 -0400 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] renaissance baby in long clothes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3CDEC185.236B392F@post12.tele.dk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:27:28 -0400 Status: RO Congratulations!!!!! Perhaps if you work fast........ Good luck for all, and please post pictures. -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:25 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] renaissance baby in long clothes Hi. I am in great troubble now! The Museum of National History at Frederiksborg Castle, has asked me, if i would make lace for a doll baby in long clothes. The baby is going to look like Christian IV as a baby in 1577. This is a task i could not resist, but it means that my embroidered suit wont be finished for the oktober ball at Stockholm anyway.......BLAST Bjarne Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:01:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20630 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:01:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHo6C21567; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:50:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHo5o25157; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4E4D0o15527 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 22:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GW300B3P2DMKY@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 May 2002 21:13:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance baby in long clothes In-reply-to: <3CDEC185.236B392F@post12.tele.dk> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020513210731.00c23300@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:07:51 -0700 Status: RO >I am in great troubble now! >The Museum of National History at Frederiksborg Castle, has asked me, if >i would make lace for a doll baby in long clothes. The baby is going to >look like Christian IV as a baby in 1577. >This is a task i could not resist, but it means that my embroidered suit >wont be finished for the oktober ball at Stockholm anyway.......BLAST You'll just have to settle for fame and glory. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:01:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20636 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:01:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHoFC21613; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHoEo25313; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4E4YFo21210 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 22:34:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m111.in-tch.com [216.166.191.111]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4E4LP909098 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 22:21:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CE09503.B4B5AC@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance baby in long clothes References: <3CDEC185.236B392F@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:39:31 -0600 Status: RO Oh, but Bjarne....wow! What a marvelous opportunity! How neat! So-- tell us more about this lace for the baby...Is it lace for edgings? or insertions? or something lacey all over? --Sue Bjarne Drews wrote: > > Hi. > I am in great troubble now! > The Museum of National History at Frederiksborg Castle, has asked me, if > i would make lace for a doll baby in long clothes. The baby is going to > look like Christian IV as a baby in 1577. > This is a task i could not resist, but it means that my embroidered suit > wont be finished for the oktober ball at Stockholm anyway.......BLAST > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:01:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20638 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:01:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHoNC21663; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHoNo25466; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f33.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4E7Evo06724 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 01:14:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 May 2002 00:14:51 -0700 Received: from 194.66.208.11 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2002 07:14:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [194.66.208.11] From: "David Angel Aware" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2002 07:14:51.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A4E5590:01C1FB17] Subject: [h-cost] Silence? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 07:14:51 +0000 Status: RO Uhm, what's wrong with the list? I haven't received anything for almost two days I believe. David _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:01:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20644 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:01:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHoUC21707; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHoTo25562; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:50:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4E7xVo18178; Tue, 14 May 2002 01:59:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A432105B00EE; Tue, 14 May 2002 03:00:50 -0500 Message-ID: <00dc01c1fb1d$3b40a440$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Neat Website Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 03:59:10 -0400 Status: RO YEA!! I had a little time to explore... and found a neat website about masks. Go to www.masks.org The museum section is really nice. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:02:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20652 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:02:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHprC22061; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:51:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHpro26820; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:51:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4EBlUo05406 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 05:47:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13756 invoked by uid 0); 14 May 2002 11:47:20 -0000 Received: from pd9e4fb32.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?217.228.251.50?) (217.228.251.50) by mail.gmx.net (mp001-rz3) with SMTP; 14 May 2002 11:47:20 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Pictures of Peasant Beltaine and my dress From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <170.d6dd29f.2a0d196e@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:47:17 +0200 Status: RO Hi Gillian and Michaela and everyone! I'm back now! Thanks for the ideas for keeping the hair on :))) It's a nice small project to do while recovering from that dress... Ok here's a question from my ever learning self... What I wanted to do it to attach a small cap of the same silk with pearls as my sleeves and foreskirt to the braid band - big enough to hold all my hair. Is this appropriate for the outfit? I really like the picture of Maria of Austria Queen of France and the way her hair is done but unfortunately we don't get to see the back, only the billiments (sp). What do you all think was done? And thanks Deredere for posting the link for the 'pomander' aka thimble holder - Deredere gave me mine and it is really nice - unfortunately I forgot my bead box at the event so it will be a while before the belt is finished (still have the pomander however :))) Cass :) > Cass writes: > > << At the beginning I had a snood attached to the braid but > it was too heavy and pulled the braid off (I need a comb or something) >> > > Modern bridal veils use a haircomb whipstitched to the headband, circlet, bun > cage, or tiara. In your case, it'd get stitched to the braid on the > underside so the braid and your own hair would camouflage it. Oh, and a > hairdresser that specializes in weddings told me a great trick to keep it in > place for fine hair.: > > Behind the comb, make a small pincurl and secure with small bobby pins. The > pincurl can't fit through the teeth of the comb, so the whole headdress stays > put even for windy outdoor weddings. > > Where did you buy the pomander? Or did you make it? I need a goldtone one. > > Anyway, I look forward to more pics. *smile* > > --Gillian > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:03:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20656 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:03:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EHqLC22186; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:52:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EHqKo27224; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EEfro00411 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 08:41:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.a8.b793de2 (30963) for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:41:41 -0400 (EDT) From: LLWatts@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:41:41 EDT Status: RO ><< "women had their lower ribs removed." >> > >Oh, goddess! I've heard that too! Now, I have no proof that they _didn't_, >but considering the dangers involved in surgery throughout history -- heck, >it still gets screwed up! -- I doubt women risked their lives to die of >infection just for a corset in the Renaissance or even later in the Victorian >era. You forgot the 'no anesthetic' aspect of Renaissance surgery. Anasthetic still wasn't around in the earlier pert of the Victorian era either, and I don't know when it did become commonly used. I believe I read once that anesthetic for childbirth didn't become popular until Queen Victoria had it for one of her children. I know anesthetic was used during the American Civil War (early 1860's), if the surgeon hadn't run out of it. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:16:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20742 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:16:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EI51C24387; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EI51o06144; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g4EI4fj05940 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:04:41 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silence? Message-ID: <20020514120441.F19111@net.indra.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:04:41 -0600 Status: RO Sometimes the list gets plugged because there are too many addresses bouncing, and it needs to be manually restarted to begin delivering the mail again. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:31:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20883 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:31:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EIK2C25928; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EIK0o15420; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EIJho15244 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:19:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.97.278b1b1f (4116) for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:19:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <97.278b1b1f.2a12af33@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: check out this partlet --LINK To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_97.278b1b1f.2a12af33_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:19:31 EDT Status: RO --part1_97.278b1b1f.2a12af33_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/2002 1:51:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes: > It could be, purple satin with green and orange tartan guards > around the hem, edged in gold bobin lace laid over scarlet bands, it > could be beige twill with rows of spangles making a diamond > pattern interspersed with alternating rows of blue and red bobin- > lace... or it could just match the bodice fabric and hang very nicely > over a moderate-sized farthingale.....< AGAIN???? Don't they do anything original in this period?! :-P --part1_97.278b1b1f.2a12af33_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/2002 1:51:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes:


It could be, purple satin with green and orange tartan guards
around the hem, edged in gold bobin lace laid over scarlet bands, it
could be beige twill with rows of spangles making a diamond
pattern interspersed with alternating rows of blue and red bobin-
lace... or it could just match the bodice fabric and hang very nicely
over a moderate-sized farthingale.....<


AGAIN???? Don't they do anything original in this period?! :-P --part1_97.278b1b1f.2a12af33_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:41:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20975 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:41:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EIT4C27134; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:29:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EIT3o21217; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:29:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EISQo20831 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:28:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.146.e7ad8ac (4328) for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:28:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <146.e7ad8ac.2a12b13a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: sunglasses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_146.e7ad8ac.2a12b13a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:28:10 EDT Status: RO --part1_146.e7ad8ac.2a12b13a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/02 10:45:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, claning@igc.org writes: > If you're doing Middle Ages or Elizabethan period, you could try a > big wide-brimmed straw hat with a black gauze or silk veil over it. Speaking of which, does anyone know of a company that makes custom straw hats? I have a huge head for a female, not to mention a ton of hair that is really thick, buying standard hats is not an option. Any help, would be appreciated. Thanks, Kit --part1_146.e7ad8ac.2a12b13a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/02 10:45:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, claning@igc.org writes:


If you're doing Middle Ages or Elizabethan period, you could try a
big wide-brimmed straw hat with a black gauze or silk veil over it.
Speaking of which, does anyone know of a company that makes custom straw hats?  I have a huge head for a female, not to mention a ton of hair that is really thick, buying standard hats is not an option.

Any help, would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Kit --part1_146.e7ad8ac.2a12b13a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 14:49:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21004 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:49:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EIc2C28226; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EIc1o26717; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EIb8o26182 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.82.1b997171 (4328) for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:36:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <82.1b997171.2a12b34a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: check out this partlet --LINK To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_82.1b997171.2a12b34a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:36:58 EDT Status: RO --part1_82.1b997171.2a12b34a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/02 10:51:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes: > It could be, purple satin with green and orange tartan guards > around the hem, edged in gold bobin lace laid over scarlet bands, it > could be beige twill with rows of spangles making a diamond > pattern interspersed with alternating rows of blue and red bobin- > lace... or it could just match the bodice fabric and hang very nicely > over a moderate-sized farthingale..... > > Teddy > (having a silly moment) > (shuddering) Teddy, where do you live, so I can make sure never to go to any sort of costume event you are attending. :) (Yes, this from the woman who admits to have sunglasses to match every color costume she wears.) Kit (who is way to stressed to be serious) --part1_82.1b997171.2a12b34a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/02 10:51:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes:


It could be, purple satin with green and orange tartan guards
around the hem, edged in gold bobin lace laid over scarlet bands, it
could be beige twill with rows of spangles making a diamond
pattern interspersed with alternating rows of blue and red bobin-
lace... or it could just match the bodice fabric and hang very nicely
over a moderate-sized farthingale.....<GG>

Teddy
(having a silly moment)


(shuddering)  Teddy, where do you live, so I can make sure never to go to any sort of costume event you are attending.  :)  (Yes, this from the woman who admits to have sunglasses to match every color costume she wears.)

Kit
(who is way to stressed to be serious) --part1_82.1b997171.2a12b34a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 15:09:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21252 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:09:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EIw2C00490; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EIw1o08220; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EIvpo08075 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:57:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D55510FC3B for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by pop.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A91503A8028 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <026601c1fb78$cf348ee0$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <013a01c1f994$f7abec00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <001e01c1f9ad$da38ab90$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> <006601c1fa11$ab638a60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's My Line MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:32:35 -0400 Status: RO Actually, it was a guess, based on the fact that Davy Jones mentions a line of Monkees clothing at J C Penney in his autobiography! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's My Line > Dianne, > > Yes, it was JC Penney. I sure didn't think that Penney's would have been so > fashion forward at the time. Now how did you know that? > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 15:19:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21319 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:19:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EJ81C01495; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EJ80o14158; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EJ71o13595 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Marionetta@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.172.845ce4c (3976) for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:06:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Marionetta@aol.com Message-ID: <172.845ce4c.2a12ba47@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_172.845ce4c.2a12ba47_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Subject: [h-cost] 1914 DRESS Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:06:47 EDT Status: RO --part1_172.845ce4c.2a12ba47_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Heather, I don't know how period correct you're trying to be with your dress but a quick and dirty (not to mention cheap) solution could be to use simplicity's my fair lady pattern 9699 http://www.simplicity.com/designFrame.cfm?designId=5884&design=9699Simplicity DesignViewer This pattern has the underdress collar you're looking for in the view in white. You could cut another version of the bodice and make a u-shaped opening without the collar for the over bodice. The skirt of the design you chose seems simple enough that maybe you don't even need a pattern - a long tight straight skirt underneath and gathered flounces on top of that...if you cut the dsleves of the green flowered version slightly fuller and put a band at the bottom they would be close to the sleeves in the plate. Hope this helps, good luck! Cheers, Loren Dearborn marionetta@aol.com --part1_172.845ce4c.2a12ba47_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi Heather, I don't know how period correct you're trying to be with your dress but a quick and dirty (not to mention cheap) solution could be to use simplicity's my fair lady pattern 9699 http://www.simplicity.com/designFrame.cfm?designId=5884&design=9699Simplicity DesignViewer

This pattern has the underdress collar you're looking for in the view in white. You could cut another version of the bodice and make a u-shaped opening without the collar for the over bodice.  The skirt of the design you chose seems simple enough that maybe you don't even need a pattern - a long tight straight skirt underneath and gathered flounces on top of that...if you cut the dsleves of the green flowered version slightly fuller and put a band at the bottom they would be close to the sleeves in the plate.  Hope this helps, good luck!

Cheers,

Loren Dearborn
marionetta@aol.com --part1_172.845ce4c.2a12ba47_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 15:23:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21346 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:23:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EJB1C01842; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EJB0o16019; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EJABo15532 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:10:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.6.0) with ESMTP id g4EJA9H28402 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020514113000.00ad3bf0@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1914 dress patterns In-Reply-To: <200205131740.g4DHe2W73417@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_15437875==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:09:17 -0700 Status: RO --=====================_15437875==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:40 AM 5/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Advice requested! > >I'm beginning to work on a 1914 dress, inspired by this photo: >http://www.wonderland.com/~alice/sew/archives/1914_garden_dress/concept_big.html > >I've been through most of my books looking for similar styles so that >I could draft my pattern, but the styles seem to be just a bit too early >or too late for that style of dress. I've seen several tiered skirts dating from 1911 to 1914 (maybe 1915). This is close to what you had in mind I think http://marquise.de/1900/pics/1910/1912_4.shtml There was even a black lace one that just sold on ebay of the weekend http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2101366322. The images were already taken down but perhaps you could contact the seller for more information. It sounds like you're fine with pattern drafting; how are you with draping? Personally I love VPLL and Attic Copies but I don't recommend them to people who aren't really experienced with old patterns. If all you need is a visual concept of the pattern layout and are willing to draft a pattern based off that, try http://marquise.de/1900/schnitte/s1920.shtml. She has other patterns, you just need to barter to get copies of the some of her vintage ones that she hasn't built graphic files for yet. You've most likely read this article already http://www.gbacg.org/teens.htm, but maybe she knows of more pattern sources. Another suggestion is perhaps there is something similar you can adapt from one of R.L. Shep's books. These have been fabulously helpful for me. Personally, when it comes to these dresses, I start by making the foundation / lining and then draping. If you're able to try that approach, any of my above suggestions should work for you. I can also try to answer more questions off the list, just don't count on me though. Anyone here who knows me will tell you, I'm awful at keeping up with my email despite my best intentions >; ( Speaking of which, i finally brought my craftman links files to the campus to forward to people - I just can't remember who needed them. **sighs** > Does anyone have any suggestions for >commercial patterns or which books I could look into? I found a few >similar styles in La Mode Illustree from the Vintage Pattern Lending >Library, but I dread having to get someone to translate the French for me >in order to sort through their pattern-overlay-tracing hell. >(that's here http://www.vpll.org/library/lamode/lm301913/index.html ) > >any ideas? thanks! Gwyn Carnegie, University of California, Davis --=====================_15437875==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 10:40 AM 5/13/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Advice requested!

I'm beginning to work on a 1914 dress, inspired by this photo:
http://www.wonderland.com/~alice/sew/archives/1914_garden_dress/concept_big.html

I've been through most of my books looking for similar styles so that
I could draft my pattern, but the styles seem to be just a bit too early or too late for that style of dress.

I've seen several tiered skirts dating from 1911 to 1914 (maybe 1915). This is close to what you had in mind I think http://marquise.de/1900/pics/1910/1912_4.shtml
There was even a black lace one that just sold on ebay of the weekend http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2101366322. The images were already taken down but perhaps you could contact the seller for more information.

It sounds like you're fine with pattern drafting; how are you with draping? Personally I love VPLL and Attic Copies but I don't recommend them to people who aren't really experienced with old patterns.

If all you need is a visual concept of the pattern layout and are willing to draft a pattern based off that, try http://marquise.de/1900/schnitte/s1920.shtml.  She has other patterns, you just need to barter to get copies of the some of her vintage ones that she hasn't built graphic files for yet. You've most likely read this article already http://www.gbacg.org/teens.htm, but maybe she knows of more pattern sources. Another suggestion is perhaps there is something similar you can adapt from one of  R.L. Shep's books. These have been fabulously helpful for me.

Personally, when it comes to these dresses, I start by making the foundation / lining and then draping. If you're able to try that approach, any of my above suggestions should work for you. I can also try to answer more questions off the list, just don't count on me though. Anyone here who knows me will tell you, I'm awful at keeping up with my email despite my best intentions >; (  Speaking of which, i finally brought my craftman links files to the campus to forward to people - I just can't remember who needed them. **sighs**

 Does anyone have any suggestions for
commercial patterns or which books I could look into?   I found a few
similar styles in La Mode Illustree from the Vintage Pattern Lending
Library, but I dread having to get someone to translate the French for me
in order to sort through their pattern-overlay-tracing hell.
(that's here http://www.vpll.org/library/lamode/lm301913/index.html )

any ideas?  thanks!

Gwyn Carnegie,
University of California, Davis
--=====================_15437875==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 15:44:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21415 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:44:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EJX2C03986; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EJX1o28533; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EJW4o28002 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA08052 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200205141951.MAA08052@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for black netting, louis heeled pumps Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Drat, Lacis doesn't have their bridal shoes online. However: http://lacis.com/bridal.html I'm pretty sure I've seen court shoes with louis heels in the shop. --Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 16:24:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21583 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:24:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EKD8C08877; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKD0o22955; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKCqo22880 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:12:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A014F8B01CA; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:14:12 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c1fb83$df2f6f80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200205131740.g4DHe2W73417@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1914 dress patterns X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:13:53 -0400 Status: RO Heather, You might want to check the email list "sewretro" at yahoogroups. Those people know a lot about vintage patterns. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 16:27:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21595 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:27:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EKG2C09345; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKG1o24947; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKFbo24659 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4EKFZHx007970 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:15:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Timeless Textiles In-Reply-To: <20020513012705.38273.qmail@web9808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sun, 12 May 2002, Kate wrote: > Not right now. They happened to be at an SCA event that I attended > yesterday. He said that they're working on it, but don't have a set > date as of now. > > They are supposed to be doing e-flyers though. I'll post when I get > one. > > kate I hope their new management is more 'with it' than their old management... I really enjoyed being able to go to their old location in New Oxford to shop in person, since they always had really neat stuff, but had bad experiences with mail order. Nobody seemed to be talking to anybody else, so either no bill was sent with the fabric, or they didn't know I'd already bought the fabric, or... (shrug) -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 16:31:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21626 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:31:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EKK1C09824; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKK0o27333; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKJ4o26737 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:19:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([62.255.179.49]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020514201903.EWMG23864.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 21:19:03 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Flat caps" Message-ID: <3CE17F3F.24731.1E886F@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3CE056B4.ADCBF4DD@dandy.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:18:55 +0100 Status: RO On 13 May 2002 at 20:13, leigh tartaglio wrote: > > Does anyone know when the flat cap began being worn by > > craftsmen/women in England? Would this be the knitted "Monmouth" cap? I seem to remember Richard Rutt's history of knitting had something on them. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 16:43:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21745 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:43:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EKX0C11546; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKX0o05932; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKWFo05428 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GW400LADBPQGC@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:32:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's My Line In-reply-to: <006601c1fa11$ab638a60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020514132317.00d338b0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <013a01c1f994$f7abec00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <001e01c1f9ad$da38ab90$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:24:19 -0700 Status: RO >Yes, it was JC Penney. I sure didn't think that Penney's would have been so >fashion forward at the time. Now how did you know that? I posted too, and my post didn't show up. I looked up Mary Quant in a book about 1960's costumes, and there was the info, along with the name of the contact person from JC Penny's. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 16:48:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21769 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:48:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EKb2C12071; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKb1o08262; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from niobium.golden.net (niobium.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKaCo07808 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (AS53-01-36.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.36]) by niobium.golden.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id g4EKaA322494 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001c1fb87$9b22f240$2407d1d8@d7k7b6> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200205141753.g4EHr3o27872@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Re: slightly OT -- embroidery thread Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Five Rivers" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:31:57 -0400 Status: RO The type of embroidery thread used back into Biblical times and ancient China is a silk serica very much like the filament silk serica available from Kreinik. Although Kreinik does ply three threads together, to achieve the complete historical look one must unply the three strands, done easily but most be done slowly, and then relax each thread by dampening your fingers with water and running along the length of the thread. This will help to release the kinks and prevent snarling. I use this exclusively on all my reproduction and restoration of embroideries and recommend no other. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 16:57:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21816 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:57:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EKk3C13034; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKk0o13459; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKjio13310 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GW400L7TCC6OC@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:45:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for black netting, louis heeled pumps In-reply-to: <200205141951.MAA08052@gw.retro.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020514133407.00c25a00@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:38:01 -0700 Status: RO >Drat, Lacis doesn't have their bridal shoes online. However: >http://lacis.com/bridal.html >I'm pretty sure I've seen court shoes with louis heels in the shop. They do have cotton netting that could be dyed black. But my antique beaded pieces are done on cotton scrim and paper, on silk chiffon, or on sewn-together cord or soutache, depending on the period and on the density of the beading. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 16:59:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21823 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:58:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EKm3C13251; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:48:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKm2o14727; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4EKlPo14360 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:47:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020514204724.77614.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2002 21:47:24 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] slightly OT -- embroidery thread To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:47:24 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > Dear list: > > A friend of mine wants to know what kind of embroidery silk people used in > the middle ages, preferably the 14th century. She assumes they did not use > the kind we do, with the six twisted strands twisted together, but doesn't > know where to look to find what they did use -- how many strands, what kind > of twist, how thick, etc. Do any of the esteemed folks here know? By no means AT ALL an expert or even particularly knowledgable in the 14th century, I do believe that the embroideries I have seen used the same untwisted silks that were used in the 17th century. They are plain silk 'threads' and you can get them from Piper's silks: http://www.pipers-silks.com/ I believe Bjarne used them, and they do look lovely. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 17:02:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21843 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:02:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EKq1C13652; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKq0o17100; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from niobium.golden.net (niobium.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EKpao16883 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 14:51:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (AS53-01-149.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.149]) by niobium.golden.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id g4EKpY328202 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002301c1fb89$c1d2e600$2407d1d8@d7k7b6> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200205142047.g4EKl2o14073@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Re:1914 dress patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Five Rivers" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:55:25 -0400 Status: RO You might try looking at some of the Attic Copies patterns, or the new Edwardian tea gown from Folkwear. We carry both lines. URL in tagline. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 17:56:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22097 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:56:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ELj2C19921; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:45:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ELj1o17395; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ELiCo16806 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Marionetta@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.157.de8194a (4331) for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:44:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Marionetta@aol.com Message-ID: <157.de8194a.2a12df24@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Subject: [h-cost] louis heel, peter fox Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:44:04 EDT Status: RO I've been looking for some dyeable louis heels for a while now myself so I did several web searches and sadly didnt really turn up anything. I did find the peter fox website which has many shoes to die for (no pun intended...) - lots were used in recent historical films - dracula, titanic etc. And there was one pump with a louis heel in the sale section for a mere $110.00... http://www.peterfox.com/7898QV.html cheers, Loren Dearborn marionetta@aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 18:37:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22304 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 18:37:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4EMR2C24948; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EMR0o11912; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4EMQVo11598 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:26:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp234016pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net [68.55.178.225]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GW400H62H01P8@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 May 2002 18:26:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Liz / Cozit Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Flat caps" To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3CE18F15.1B54D97B@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200205141753.g4EHr3o27872@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:26:29 -0400 Status: RO I was thinking about the ones I usually see that are about 2 inch brims with a circular piece of material gathered into it, meaning to rest over the head, but neither totally flat over it, nor completely risen like a "Jiffy-Pop pan". I know I've come across references to craftsmen and apprentices wearing them in the early to mid 1500s, but haven't been able to find pictures showing exactly what kind of flat cap. I've also seen the later Elizabethian pictures... including women wearing a smaller version that was worn over a coif/snood/muffin hat/biggins type thing (as well as a picture or two with a "normal" sized such cap). Basically, I'm trying to come up with a documentable idea for a hat that a journeywoman embroideress might wear... rather than "just" the biggins/coif/whatever. *G* for the really hot *and* sunny days, we'll be "cheating" a bit and I *may* wear a low-crowned, plain straw hat pinned to the other (probably a muffin hat-type)... after all, for some reason or other I'm working in the country and the light outside is *so* much better than in the room I work in... and the air being so much cleaner than Oxford's... (sigh... that's the pain of being as "authentic" as you can for a re-enactment group within a ren. festival... and trying to fit a character type in that isn't *quite* right for the period, yet close...) To have a hat to wear in cooler weather, and *possibly* be able to sheild the eyes at least a little... and hopefully look "better" than the straw one... is my ultimate goal. Oh, and I'm not looking for anything nearly as big and floppy as the Landsknechts-type hats. (or at least, I hope I'm not....) Thanks! -Elisabeth > > From: leigh tartaglio > > > Hi. When you say "flat-cap", which style are you referring to? I suspect > that, like a number of fashionable items, the flatcap sort of evolved > from earlier variants. Perhaps I can locate something from about the > 1530s. I just saw an photo of a tapestry of the Battle of Pavia, showing > a campfollower wearing a flat cap. The battle was in 1525 although I > think the tapestry was made 5 years later. These were also Germans and > Swiss in Italy, not English. I'll take a look in a few other sources I > have for craftspeople of the period. Mike T. > > > > > > > Does anyone know when the flat cap began being worn by > > craftsmen/women in England? > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 19:40:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22595 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:40:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ENTMC01287; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:29:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ENTLo13574; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:29:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ENSqo13323 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:28:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp234016pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net [68.55.178.225]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GW400BQIJVZBR@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:28:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Liz / Cozit Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Flat caps" To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3CE19DB2.19FE629E@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200205142047.g4EKl2o14073@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:28:50 -0400 Status: RO No, I'm thinking of the fabric caps/hats made with a round (flat or wavy, depending on the year(s) involved) brim about 2 inches wide, crown is a circular piece of material gathered to the brim (usually) that lies fairly, though not completely flat on the head when worn. Sometimes trimmed with a ribbon, feather, brooch... sometimes not, depending on class, time period, etc. Thanks, -Elisabeth > From: "Jane Williams" > > > > > > Does anyone know when the flat cap began being worn by > > > craftsmen/women in England? > > Would this be the knitted "Monmouth" cap? I seem > to remember Richard Rutt's history of knitting had > something on them. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 19:41:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22600 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:41:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ENT1C01241; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ENT0o13385; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ENSZo13171 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:28:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.6.0) with ESMTP id g4ENSVH05383 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020514145222.00adba38@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] louis heel, peter fox In-Reply-To: <157.de8194a.2a12df24@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_30938937==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:03:16 -0700 Status: RO --=====================_30938937==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:44 PM 5/14/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I've been looking for some dyeable louis heels for a while now myself so I >did several web searches and sadly didnt really turn up anything. I did find >the peter fox website which has many shoes to die for (no pun intended...) - >lots were used in recent historical films - dracula, titanic etc. Yep they are pricey and to die for and often you can get them pre-dyed if you know to ask for it. >And there >was one pump with a louis heel in the sale section for a mere $110.00... > >http://www.peterfox.com/7898QV.html That sale started 2 days ago and literally most of the good stuff is already gone -darn it all. What I've done instead in start looking into dance shoes where I can order color and heel combos since I'll be using these ... well.... for dancing >; ) >cheers, > >Loren Dearborn >marionetta@aol.com Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis --=====================_30938937==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 05:44 PM 5/14/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I've been looking for some dyeable louis heels for a while now myself so I
did several web searches and sadly didnt really turn up anything.  I did find
the peter fox website which has many shoes to die for (no pun intended...)  -
lots were used in recent historical films - dracula, titanic etc. 

Yep   they are pricey and to die for and often you can get them pre-dyed if you know to ask for it.

And there
was one pump with a louis heel in the sale section for a mere $110.00...

http://www.peterfox.com/7898QV.html

That sale started 2 days ago and literally most of the good stuff is already gone -darn it all. What I've done instead in start looking into dance shoes where I can order color and heel combos since I'll be using these ... well.... for dancing >; )

cheers,

Loren Dearborn
marionetta@aol.com

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California, Davis
--=====================_30938937==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 22:09:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23161 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 22:09:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4F1x2C11076; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4F1x0o06101; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4F1w9o05848 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:58:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.174.127]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g4F1w7a17509 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 18:58:07 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) Message-ID: <3CE15FF8.17129.CAD515E@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3CE04A0C.4D233E42@dandy.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:05:28 -0700 Status: RO > Maggie, if you can remember any info about any refs showing > spectacles, I would be interested. When you say "side-pieces", do you > mean solid arms or the cording that we spoke about earlier? I would > like to see early docs of solid earpieces, as I have never seen the > like before in all of the illos I have seen. Is it possible that there > was that old mistake of switching up 17th century for the 1700s? > Thanks in advance, Mike T. I just went through "A Spectacle of Spectacles", which shows all sorts of them (from about the 14th C on). I couldn't find any with sidepieces in it until later. The book is illustrated with period woodcuts, paintings, extant specs and reconstructions of extant specs. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 14 23:57:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23658 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 23:57:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4F3k2C17281; Tue, 14 May 2002 21:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4F3k0o14737; Tue, 14 May 2002 21:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4F3jeo14651 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 21:45:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from duck ([24.130.169.195]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020515034534.CLXL19355.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@duck> for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 03:45:34 +0000 Message-ID: <008a01c1fbc2$f697b850$c3a98218@duck> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020514145222.00adba38@blue.ucdavis.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] louis heel, peter fox MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01C1FB88.49EB0E70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 20:45:31 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C1FB88.49EB0E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh my god, these Peter Fox shoes are FABULOUS and just what I've been = looking for -- except they're WAY too much money! Does anyone have any alternative sources for vintage/retro-esque shoes? = I've looked at many dance shoe stores which don't tend to carry my size = (11 medium). Not looking for any particular style, just something 30's = or 40's-ish! - Kendra ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C1FB88.49EB0E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Oh my god, these Peter Fox shoes are = FABULOUS and=20 just what I've been looking for -- except they're WAY too much=20 money!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C1FB88.49EB0E70-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 01:10:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23917 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 01:10:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4F503C21599; Tue, 14 May 2002 23:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4F500o11549; Tue, 14 May 2002 23:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14005.mail.yahoo.com (web14005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.121]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4F4xfo11449 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 22:59:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020515045941.95311.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.93.134] by web14005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2002 21:59:41 PDT From: Cin Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1914 dress patterns To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200205131740.g4DHe2W73417@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO > I've been through most of my books looking for similar styles so that > I could draft my pattern, but the styles seem to be just a bit too early or > too late for that style of dress. Does anyone have any suggestions for > commercial patterns or which books I could look into? I found a few > similar styles in La Mode Illustree from the Vintage Pattern Lending > Library, but I dread having to get someone to translate the French for me > in order to sort through their pattern-overlay-tracing hell. > (that's here http://www.vpll.org/library/lamode/lm301913/index.html ) Love your original dress illio. Havent seen any pattern exactly like it. There is a 1913 I've translated a couple of the patterns for Jan in the past. Same magazine but 1890s patterns. For the most part the assembly instructions rare go beyond unhelpful prose such as: "trace each of our pieces following the outlines, sew each according to the letters, this garment is best done in blue serge, a ruffled inset (or keydesign feature of the garment) looks well". There is rarely any mention of sizing info in this magazine. I've also made up about a dozen garments 1864-1913 from another magazine "Journal des Demoiselles". One of my 1880s patterns has the instruction "Drape the extremity on the person". They didnt provide a pattern for the train, the seamstress is on her own. Sizing info was given for all but the very earliest pattern. The marking "mannequin 46" seems to mean bustsize twice the number given. Thus the 46 became a 92cm bust with the proper wearing ease. If you have any specific questions please ask. ===== --cin Cynthia hysteria95126@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 01:56:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24080 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 01:56:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4F5k1C23565; Tue, 14 May 2002 23:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4F5k0o23357; Tue, 14 May 2002 23:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx1.famvid.com (a.mx.famvid.com [208.16.68.101] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4F5jvo23336 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 23:45:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 24391 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 05:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jeanne) (207.40.100.37) by mx1.famvid.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 05:45:48 -0000 Message-ID: <013001c1fbd4$08026de0$256428cf@jeanne> From: "Jeanne Harney" To: References: <20020513012705.38273.qmail@web9808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Timeless Textiles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 01:47:40 -0400 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate" > > --- Azelana@aol.com wrote: > > Hey, speaking of TT, does Timeless have a new website or something? > > I only get a site with baby rugs on search, and my old links > >don't work. > > > > --Gillian > > Not right now. They happened to be at an SCA event that I attended > yesterday. He said that they're working on it, but don't have a set > date as of now. Aah...were you at Baron Wars V, the Attack of the Clouds? I was the troll. I now have the plague...how depressingly period. Jeanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 04:08:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19829 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 04:08:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4F7w2C27761; Wed, 15 May 2002 01:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4F7w0o23951; Wed, 15 May 2002 01:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4F7vuo23930 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 01:57:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29786.; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:06:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 May 2002 08:57:49 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Flat caps" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4F7vuo23930 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:57:23 +0100 Status: RO Jane Williams wrote: >>>Would this be the knitted "Monmouth" cap? I seem to remember Richard Rutt's history of knitting had something on them. Monmouth caps weren't flat, they were the rounded kind of woolly hat, I believe. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 07:11:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20584 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 07:11:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4FB02C03744; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FB01o02567; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FAx0o02339 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 04:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHR86NHXJK00Q48I@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:01:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHR86C01D40094UE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:01:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 15 May 2002 11:56:44 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 15 May 2002 11:56:05 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.83) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 May 2002 11:55:57 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's My Line In-reply-to: <200205141744.g4EHi3o19746@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <22128C6365C@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:55:57 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I work through the night and at 4AM I take a break and watch the > old game show, "What My Line." I love watching the show for the > wonderful evening wear worn by the panelists. My mother was on the british verison of the show - the Christmas show 1953 and was the only one to "beat the panel"(Robert Morley, Isobel Barnet and Patricia Medina). She was also the only person to apper on the show who wan't in an evening dress. She didn't own one, would have had no occasin to wear one and didn't see the point of buying, hiring or borrowing one for one brief TV appearance, so wore her best suit instead (though she had to keep the jacket fastened the whole time because they discovered that the close pattern on her blouse did strange things to the on-camera image...) Somewhere, I think I still have her winner certificate from the BBC, signed by all the panellists and the host of the show. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 07:19:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20633 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 07:19:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4FB91C04217; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FB90o04445; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FB8jo04367 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHR8IN5Y1C0088KL@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:11:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHR8I79SO8009LUQ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:11:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 15 May 2002 12:06:17 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 15 May 2002 12:06:04 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.83) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:06:02 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements In-reply-to: <200205141751.g4EHpZo26548@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <2215366494D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:06:02 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > It must have been "mant" then... How lucky for you! And, of course, Teddy can't type... that was intended to read it must have been MEANT.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 07:19:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20638 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 07:19:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4FB95C04233; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FB95o04489; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FB8uo04419 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:08:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHR8H49S0G006QJX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:11:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHR8GWGN02009LUQ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:10:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 15 May 2002 12:05:15 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 15 May 2002 12:04:34 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.83) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:04:30 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nicole goes orange In-reply-to: <200205141751.g4EHpZo26548@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <2214CF90128@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:04:30 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hey Nicole, > Teddy, you know I'm the one for the subdued and rich colours like > wedgewood blue, navy, black, dark red, etc etc Oh yes. > For once I didn't go for the proper silk (reasons see above) but > for a higher quality viscose lining in a screaming burning > matching warm orange! I must admit I am amazed how blooming good > the dark green looks with the orange lining. It worked out fine and > looks great, just have to do the hand stitching duties now. It sounds like a lovely combination to me... I'm sure Danielle will agree too - green and orange is one of her favourites. > But my goodness is this thing huge and heavy with its train. Think of it as a stylish way of keeping fit.... > I promise piccies if anyone wants it, but we're off to an event in > Cumbria next weekend. Pictures!!!!! Yes pelase! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 07:29:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20655 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 07:29:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4FBJ1C05037; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FBJ1o07446; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FBINo07243 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:18:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHR8UOGSQ800WWVF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:21:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHR8UNFUV200YXR7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:21:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 15 May 2002 12:16:20 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 15 May 2002 12:15:30 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.83) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:15:20 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: check out this partlet --LINK In-reply-to: <200205142047.g4EKl8o14164@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <2217B9A2E1F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:15:20 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > (shuddering) Teddy, where do you live, so I can make sure never to go > to any sort of costume event you are attending. :) (Yes, this from > the woman who admits to have sunglasses to match every color costume > she wears.) > > Kit > (who is way to stressed to be serious) London, England... I attend costume events over a wide area of the country though..... Perhaps you had better just bring your sunglasses along to any events you attend in England, just in case.. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 07:44:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20754 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 07:44:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4FBY2C05474; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FBY1o10937; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FBXJo10763 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:33:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GW5004WFHFHXT@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 May 2002 04:33:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's My Line In-reply-to: <22128C6365C@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020515043115.00d0b540@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200205141744.g4EHi3o19746@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 04:32:14 -0700 Status: RO Teddy writes, in a message sent 11:55 AM 5/15/02 +0000: > > I work through the night and at 4AM I take a break and watch the > > old game show, "What My Line." I love watching the show for the > > wonderful evening wear worn by the panelists. > >My mother was on the british verison of the show - the Christmas >show 1953 and was the only one to "beat the panel"(Robert Morley, >Isobel Barnet and Patricia Medina). She was also the only person >to apper on the show who wan't in an evening dress. She didn't >own one, would have had no occasin to wear one and didn't see >the point of buying, hiring or borrowing one for one brief TV >appearance, so wore her best suit instead (though she had to keep >the jacket fastened the whole time because they discovered that >the close pattern on her blouse did strange things to the on-camera >image...) > >Somewhere, I think I still have her winner certificate from the BBC, >signed by all the panellists and the host of the show. What did she do that they couldn't guess? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 07:56:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20779 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 07:56:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4FBk1C05924; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FBk1o14040; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FBjqo14007 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 05:45:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KHR9SPUVN40088KL@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:48:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KHR9SL8VNM0094UE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:48:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 15 May 2002 12:43:45 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 15 May 2002 12:43:28 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.83) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:43:20 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's My Line In-reply-to: <200205151135.g4FBZ6o11203@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <221F2F66C02@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:43:20 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >My mother was on the british verison of the show - the Christmas show > >1953 and was the only one to "beat the panel"(Robert Morley, Isobel > >Barnet and Patricia Medina). > What did she do that they couldn't guess? Bottle corker. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 10:46:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21546 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 10:46:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4FEa3C15602; Wed, 15 May 2002 08:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FEa1o08294; Wed, 15 May 2002 08:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FEZso08229 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 08:35:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.119]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020515143552.IBWI8924.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 16:35:52 +0200 Message-ID: <3CE15C7E.86EACAAC@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] renaissance lace Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 20:50:38 +0200 Status: RO Hi again. Che, it looks that it isnt going to be anyway with the lace for the renaissance baby. Katia Johansen who emailed me about it, told me that they had found laces they would use for the project. But they have my name and adress now, in case there will be other projects. Anyway a little fame i have got because the danish lace guilds magazine "Kniplebrevet" has a large article written by myself, and lots of photos about how i use bobbin lace in costumes. The blue baroque dress, the blue suit with gold lace, and the orange large panier dress. I am on the front and back cover of the magazine, and i have 8 pages inside :-) Then i am known by all lacemakers in Denmark. Bjarne Back to the embroidery :-) .-) :-) -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 10:56:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21641 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 10:56:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4FEk3C16710; Wed, 15 May 2002 08:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FEk3o13313; Wed, 15 May 2002 08:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FEjEo12993 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 08:45:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m49.in-tch.com [216.166.191.49]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4FEWN902089 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 08:32:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CE275A7.21D19367@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance lace References: <3CE15C7E.86EACAAC@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:50:15 -0600 Status: RO All right, you tease ....are you going to tell us where we can acquire copies of that particular magazine? I'd love to see it, even if I don't speak or read Danish! --Sue Bjarne wrote: > > Hi again. > Che, it looks that it isnt going to be anyway with the lace for the > renaissance baby. > Katia Johansen who emailed me about it, told me that they had found > laces they would use for the project. > But they have my name and adress now, in case there will be other > projects. > Anyway a little fame i have got because the danish lace guilds magazine > "Kniplebrevet" has a large article written by myself, and lots of photos > about how i use bobbin lace in costumes. The blue baroque dress, the > blue suit with gold lace, and the orange large panier dress. I am on the > front and back cover of the magazine, and i have 8 pages inside :-) > Then i am known by all lacemakers in Denmark. > > Bjarne > > Back to the embroidery :-) .-) :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 14:58:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23455 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 14:58:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4FIlBC12873; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FIl2o07179; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepZ.post.tele.dk (fepz.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FIkIo06728 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.50]) by fepZ.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020515184616.MQWC21320.fepZ.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 20:46:16 +0200 Message-ID: <3CE2ACF9.FB55D62@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] only testing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:46:18 +0200 Status: RO I dont understand. It seems as if the indra server is very irregular with the postings, is there any life out there? Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 15:24:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23567 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 15:24:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4FJE1C15279; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FJE1o22376; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FJD1o21806 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.1bc.1e80567 (3996) for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 15:12:53 -0400 (EDT) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <1bc.1e80567.2a140d35@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] only testing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1bc.1e80567.2a140d35_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:12:53 EDT Status: RO --part1_1bc.1e80567.2a140d35_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's just say they are being a bit slow. I answered you original post just minutes after you sent it, but it took several days to show up on the list. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_1bc.1e80567.2a140d35_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Let's just say they are being a bit slow.  I answered you original post just minutes after you sent it, but it took several days to show up on the list.

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--part1_1bc.1e80567.2a140d35_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 16:10:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23758 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 16:09:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4FJx2C19535; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FJx1o18576; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12808.mail.yahoo.com (web12808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4FJwAo17921 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020515195810.17681.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.18.199.198] by web12808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:58:10 PDT From: Truly Biggs Subject: Re: [h-cost] lining fabric question To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001f01c1faa0$710d6860$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO For maximum breathability - I like lining linen with more linen. Linen molds to the body wonderfully and as you are obviously wise enough to know - is blissfully breathable. Don't go for a heavy weight linen- go for a high threadcount - with smaller holes. Linen cotton blends are a secod choice - and they are available in nice medium weights at most Jo-ann's these days ( at least here in Houston) I get some linens from Fabrics-store.com, and I like the 5.5 weight for such things.(has anyone noticed that their color choices have seemed limited these days?) Actually, now that I think about it - what kind of look are you wanting this to have? A very structured look, or a somewhat soft-natural-real-clothing kindof look? It is a bit dangerous to use a too-sturdy lining or interlining, as it will be obvious from the outside of the garment that that fabric was not intended to behave that way - and you risk looking sort of - upholstered. My guess is that a denim weight is a bit too heavy and a broadcloth is too light. Bless you for not suggesting fusibles! My opinion is just that. Truly I hope I haven't blathered on more than you were looking for : ) --- Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Help! I have a lightweight linen that I want to make into a doublet for > my > husband. However, the linen is way too lightweight. But I'm not sure how > heavy a lining fabric or what kind I should use. I want to keep this as > cool > as possible for him to wear. Would a heavyweight linen or linen/cotten > blend > be enough? Or would I need something along the lines of a denim? > > Thanks! > > > ********************** > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of > Bristol, > BRF FOF > > So many books, so little time > > lotsofteapots@charter.net > ********************** > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 17:53:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24404 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 17:53:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4FLg2C00486; Wed, 15 May 2002 15:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FLg1o21050; Wed, 15 May 2002 15:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4FLfTo20707 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 15:41:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 13462505 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 May 2002 17:41:18 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c1fc59$38602b00$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: References: <20020515195810.17681.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lining fabric question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:41:04 -0500 Status: RO Thank you so much! He has an "upholstered" doublet already, and I wanted this one to be a bit lighter weight and simpler, but wasn't sure if the stiffness should be about the same. Mid-weight linen it is! ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Truly Biggs" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] lining fabric question > For maximum breathability - I like lining linen with more linen. Linen > molds to the body wonderfully and as you are obviously wise enough to know > - is blissfully breathable. Don't go for a heavy weight linen- go for a > high threadcount - with smaller holes. Linen cotton blends are a secod > choice - and they are available in nice medium weights at most Jo-ann's > these days ( at least here in Houston) > > I get some linens from Fabrics-store.com, and I like the 5.5 weight for > such things.(has anyone noticed that their color choices have seemed > limited these days?) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 15 20:11:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24941 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 20:11:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4G014C12736; Wed, 15 May 2002 18:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4G011o28887; Wed, 15 May 2002 18:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4G005o28590 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 18:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigbird.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.244] helo=bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1788gd-0002Fz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 May 2002 17:00:03 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g4G003h10410 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 May 2002 17:00:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Saragrace Knauf To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] lining fabric question Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 198.232.211.130 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: saragrace@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:00:03 -0700 Status: RO > I get some linens from Fabrics-store.com, and I like the 5.5 weight for > such things.(has anyone noticed that their color choices have seemed > limited these days?) Oh, I was so hoping that it was something wrong with their website or my computer. I hope it is not an indication that they may be going out of business. I love their stuff!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 05:33:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA22289 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 05:33:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4G9M9C10087; Thu, 16 May 2002 03:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4G9M3o05028; Thu, 16 May 2002 03:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4G9LTo04922 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 03:21:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AA6E1D50078; Thu, 16 May 2002 04:22:54 -0500 Message-ID: <00dd01c1fcba$efaea000$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Ebay Book of Interest Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 05:20:35 -0400 Status: RO It's not my time period but maybe some of you are interested in this book on eBay: NEW YORK 1714-76 Customs, Houses, Fashion etc It has a nice Table of Contents to View. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=868677717 Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 06:26:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22439 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 06:26:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4GAG2C11505; Thu, 16 May 2002 04:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GAG1o16934; Thu, 16 May 2002 04:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GAF8o16724 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 04:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KeckSimba@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.38.27f5386e (30974) for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 06:14:58 -0400 (EDT) From: KeckSimba@aol.com Message-ID: <38.27f5386e.2a14e0a2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: Costume sourcing info To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 06:14:58 EDT Status: RO Thanks for those of you who have taken the time to help me; sorry to those who I have annoyed with my lack of knowledge. I have found a few more sites that are better suited to my needs and won't bother you folks anymore.Again,THANK YOU! to those that helped me. Bonnie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 12:03:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24186 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:03:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4GFqaC00741; Thu, 16 May 2002 09:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GFnao05114; Thu, 16 May 2002 09:49:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepZ.post.tele.dk (fepz.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GFjTo03158 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 09:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.42]) by fepZ.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020516154511.LLEE5989.fepZ.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 17:45:11 +0200 Message-ID: <3CE3D409.52194147@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Lorna Doone Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:45:13 +0200 Status: RO Hi I have had an inquiry for a costume in the Lorna Doone movie produced by BBC/A&E. The red dress she is wearing when she is walking with the King. I have never seen this movie, is there somewhere i could buy a copy of it? Thanks Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 12:33:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24357 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:33:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4GGM3C04544; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GGM2K23607; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay1.primushost.com (poseidon.shore.net [207.244.124.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GGL0K23029 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from (shell3.shore.net) [207.244.124.103] (exim) by relay1.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 178Nz6-0006Wn-00; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:20:08 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) id 178Nz6-0005ym-00; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:20:08 -0400 From: Katy Bishop To: Leif Drews cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lorna Doone In-Reply-To: <3CE3D409.52194147@post12.tele.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4GGL0K23029 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It is available on amazon.com for 24.95 (a 2001 version) Katy On Thu, 16 May 2002, Leif Drews wrote: >Hi >I have had an inquiry for a costume in the Lorna Doone movie produced by >BBC/A&E. >The red dress she is wearing when she is walking with the King. >I have never seen this movie, is there somewhere i could buy a copy of >it? > > >Thanks > >Bjarne > >-- > > >Leif Drews >Åboulevard 5, 3 th >1635 København V > >Bjarne Drews >Åboulevard 5,3.th >1635 København V > >tlf. 35 37 13 70 > >My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > >Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 12:49:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24465 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:49:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4GGd2C06526; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GGd1K03962; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GGcAK03460 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:38:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.6.0) with ESMTP id g4GGc9H14255 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 09:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020516091537.00a87718@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_5146343==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] EBay vs. costume college merchant? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:38:05 -0700 Status: RO --=====================_5146343==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Spring cleaning in one of those mixed blessings sort of events. In exchange for all that extra room in your costume & fabric storage areas, you end up with stacks of stuff that you can't bear to throw out but you know, in your heart of hearts, that you really need to get rid of. So you guessed it, after 20 years of costuming, I have stacks of costumes, vintage shoes, trims, embroidery, and other items to get rid off. What's the better venue to rid myself of this rather large pile that is overwhelming my living room? EBay has the advantage of being pretty immediate as far as response but it seems to have mood swings depending on who is buying what at the time. Getting a table at CC could be fun but I really don't want to haul the stuff down and then miss the classes I wanted to take too. I know some of you are old hands at this. Anyone have any better suggestions? Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis --=====================_5146343==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Spring cleaning in one of those mixed blessings sort of events. In exchange for all that extra room in your costume & fabric storage areas, you end up with stacks of stuff that you can't bear to throw out but you know, in your heart of hearts, that you really need to get rid of. 

So you guessed it, after 20 years of costuming, I have stacks of costumes, vintage shoes, trims, embroidery, and other items to get rid off. What's the better venue to rid myself of this rather large pile that is overwhelming my living room?  EBay has the advantage of being pretty immediate as far as response but it seems to have mood swings depending on who is buying what at the time. Getting a table at CC could be fun but I really don't want to haul the stuff down and then miss the classes I wanted to take too.

I know some of you are old hands at this. Anyone have any better suggestions?

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California, Davis
--=====================_5146343==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 13:05:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24608 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 13:05:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4GGs1C08260; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GGs0K12889; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GGrbK12630 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:53:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.16.1f4272b0 (4363) for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:53:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <16.1f4272b0.2a153e07@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's My Line To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16.1f4272b0.2a153e07_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:53:27 EDT Status: RO --part1_16.1f4272b0.2a153e07_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/15/02 4:01:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes: > My mother was on the british verison of the show - the Christmas > show 1953 and was the only one to "beat the panel"(Robert Morley, > Isobel Barnet and Patricia Medina). She was also the only person > to apper on the show who wan't in an evening dress. She didn't > own one, would have had no occasin to wear one and didn't see > the point of buying, hiring or borrowing one for one brief TV > appearance, so wore her best suit instead (though she had to keep > the jacket fastened the whole time because they discovered that > the close pattern on her blouse did strange things to the on-camera > image...) Greetings all... I was just wondering if anyone had seen the episode with Angela Lansbury? Or if you knew when it would be coming on again? I need to get a copy of it for my files. Please contact me privately, thanks! Kit --part1_16.1f4272b0.2a153e07_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/15/02 4:01:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes:


My mother was on the british verison of the show - the Christmas
show 1953 and was the only one to "beat the panel"(Robert Morley,
Isobel Barnet and Patricia Medina).  She was also the only person
to apper on the show who wan't in an evening dress.  She didn't
own one, would have had no occasin to wear one and didn't see
the point of buying, hiring or borrowing one for one brief TV
appearance, so wore her best suit instead (though she had to keep
the jacket fastened the whole time because they discovered that
the close pattern on her blouse did strange things to the on-camera
image...<G>)
Greetings all...

I was just wondering if anyone had seen the episode with Angela Lansbury?  Or if you knew when it would be coming on again?  I need to get a copy of it for my files.

Please contact me privately, thanks!

Kit --part1_16.1f4272b0.2a153e07_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 13:47:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24814 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 13:47:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4GHb4C13083; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GHb1K08346; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GHaZK08106 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:36:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AE7A4D0006E; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:38:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c1fd00$6031fa80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <16.1f4272b0.2a153e07@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's My Line MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1FCDE.D847ADC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:37:38 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1FCDE.D847ADC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kit, I saw it but it has been a few months ago. Presently the run is near the end of the series around 1967. Do you know what year she was on. I am sure they will start the series over in the early 50s. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1FCDE.D847ADC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kit,
 
I saw it but it has been a few months ago.  Presently the run = is near=20 the end of the series around 1967.  Do you know what year she was = on. =20 I am sure they will start the series over in the early 50s.
 
Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume = Classroom
http://www.costumegallery.com =
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  ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1FCDE.D847ADC0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 14:20:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25241 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 14:20:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4GIA3C16716; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GIA1K27080; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GI9HK26676 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:09:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.6.0) with ESMTP id g4GI9GH11177 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020516105651.00a87910@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Louis heel, peter fox In-Reply-To: <008a01c1fbc2$f697b850$c3a98218@duck> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020514145222.00adba38@blue.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_5344515==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:09:13 -0700 Status: RO --=====================_5344515==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:45 PM 5/14/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Oh my god, these Peter Fox shoes are FABULOUS and just what I've been >looking for -- except they're WAY too much money! > >Does anyone have any alternative sources for vintage/retro-esque >shoes? I've looked at many dance shoe stores which don't tend to carry my >size (11 medium). Not looking for any particular style, just something >30's or 40's-ish! > >- Kendra I found these this morning http://www.flamenco-world.com/flamenco/coral.htm for some alternatives to the ubiquitous capezio character shoe. The shoe comes in leather or suede and you can select from a gazillion colors. The #5 heel without nails I think makes a great shoe. If only they had a satin option in the # 6, # 11, or # 12. Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis --=====================_5344515==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 08:45 PM 5/14/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Oh my god, these Peter Fox shoes are FABULOUS and just what I've been looking for -- except they're WAY too much money!
 
Does anyone have any alternative sources for vintage/retro-esque shoes?  I've looked at many dance shoe stores which don't tend to carry my size (11 medium).  Not looking for any particular style, just something 30's or 40's-ish!
 
- Kendra

I found these this morning http://www.flamenco-world.com/flamenco/coral.htm for some alternatives to the ubiquitous capezio character shoe. The shoe comes in leather or suede and you can select from a gazillion colors. The #5 heel without nails I think makes a great shoe. If only they had a satin option in the # 6, # 11, or # 12.

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California, Davis
--=====================_5344515==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 14:30:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25342 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 14:29:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4GIJLC17709; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:19:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GIJKK02787; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GIIdK02397 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:18:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.9a.2599d77d (15863) for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 14:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m14.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.130]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v84.16) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-0516141827; Thu, 16 May 2002 14:18:27 -0400 From: kitsune242@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA  costuming) Message-ID: <20BE965C.7ED41716.0F933E1F@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:17:48 -0400 Status: RO Could you tell me anything more about the book? Where I could find a copy of who wrote it? Kit _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 16:14:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26004 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 16:14:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4GK3FC27503; Thu, 16 May 2002 14:03:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GK31K01749; Thu, 16 May 2002 14:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4GK22K01169 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 14:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020516200201.19374.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2002 21:02:01 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lorna Doone To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3CE3D409.52194147@post12.tele.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 21:02:01 +0100 (BST) Status: RO AARRGGHHH there is NOTHING even remotely authentic for the period it is supposed to be abut this costume. Pure fantasy if you ask me (which you don't, but hey, did you really believe I wouldn't jump on and comment unsolicited? :-))) Bjarne, if you like making some fantasy idea of something supposedly 17th cventurish, then have fun, otherwise.... *winks* Nicole --- Leif Drews wrote: > Hi > I have had an inquiry for a costume in the Lorna Doone movie produced by > BBC/A&E. > The red dress she is wearing when she is walking with the King. > I have never seen this movie, is there somewhere i could buy a copy of > it? > > > Thanks > > Bjarne > > -- > > > Leif Drews > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > 1635 København V > > Bjarne Drews > Åboulevard 5,3.th > 1635 København V > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 17:29:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26458 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 17:29:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4GLJ2C05580; Thu, 16 May 2002 15:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GLJ1K16603; Thu, 16 May 2002 15:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GLHxK15998 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 15:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.149]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020516211757.NHTA23576.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:17:57 +0200 Message-ID: <3CE42207.6E7F816B@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lorna Doone References: <20020516200201.19374.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:18:00 +0200 Status: RO Hi. I have no idea whatsoever how this movie is. But i had a costumer question about this red dress. Wont say who it is, but it is somebody who deals with arranging balls for reenactors in USA. Perhaps i should tell her about the non accurateness of it! Bjarne N Kipar wrote: > AARRGGHHH there is NOTHING even remotely authentic for the period it is > supposed to be abut this costume. Pure fantasy if you ask me (which you don't, > but hey, did you really believe I wouldn't jump on and comment unsolicited? > :-))) > > Bjarne, if you like making some fantasy idea of something supposedly 17th > cventurish, then have fun, otherwise.... *winks* > > Nicole > > --- Leif Drews wrote: > Hi > > I have had an inquiry for a costume in the Lorna Doone movie produced by > > BBC/A&E. > > The red dress she is wearing when she is walking with the King. > > I have never seen this movie, is there somewhere i could buy a copy of > > it? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Bjarne > > > > -- > > > > > > Leif Drews > > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > > 1635 København V > > > > Bjarne Drews > > Åboulevard 5,3.th > > 1635 København V > > > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 17:41:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26502 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 17:41:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4GLU2C06717; Thu, 16 May 2002 15:30:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4GLU1K23044; Thu, 16 May 2002 15:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4GLTpK22962 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 15:29:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020516212950.53787.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2002 22:29:50 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lorna Doone To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3CE42207.6E7F816B@post12.tele.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:29:50 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Ah, Bjarne, I think the same person contacted me, because they wanted info on available Barqoue patterns, and mentioned that they were specifically looking to recreate the lorna doone dress and I answered them the same, that there is no way in hell this is any other period than the 20th century fantasy. ;-))) Nicole --- Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > I have no idea whatsoever how this movie is. But i had a costumer question > about > this red dress. Wont say who it is, but it is somebody who deals with > arranging > balls for reenactors in USA. > Perhaps i should tell her about the non accurateness of it! > > Bjarne > > N Kipar wrote: > > > AARRGGHHH there is NOTHING even remotely authentic for the period it is > > supposed to be abut this costume. Pure fantasy if you ask me (which you > don't, > > but hey, did you really believe I wouldn't jump on and comment unsolicited? > > :-))) > > > > Bjarne, if you like making some fantasy idea of something supposedly 17th > > cventurish, then have fun, otherwise.... *winks* > > > > Nicole > > > > --- Leif Drews wrote: > Hi > > > I have had an inquiry for a costume in the Lorna Doone movie produced by > > > BBC/A&E. > > > The red dress she is wearing when she is walking with the King. > > > I have never seen this movie, is there somewhere i could buy a copy of > > > it? > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Leif Drews > > > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > > > 1635 København V > > > > > > Bjarne Drews > > > Åboulevard 5,3.th > > > 1635 København V > > > > > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > > > > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > > > > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > ===== > > Nicole Kipar M.A. > > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > > > Leif Drews > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > 1635 København V > > Bjarne Drews > Åboulevard 5,3.th > 1635 København V > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 20:52:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27104 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 20:52:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4H0g2C22085; Thu, 16 May 2002 18:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H0g1K16851; Thu, 16 May 2002 18:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H0fIK16678 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 18:41:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p199-nas5.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.209.199] by smtp4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 178Vny-0001Pe-00; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:41:10 +1200 Message-ID: <000e01c1fd3b$888240e0$c7d1adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <00dd01c1fcba$efaea000$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Art destroyed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:41:01 +1200 Status: RO "A hoard of stolen art worth more than $1.4bn (£960m) has been destroyed - by the mother of a French art thief." When this was announced on news today, they flashed up a pic by Cranach.. Sibylla von Cleves in her bridal attire as von Boehn called it.: http://www.graphikmuseum-picasso-muenster.de/noflash/sammlung/sibylla_von_cl eve_big.html But the amount of work destroyed..... for the full article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/arts/newsid_1990000/1990836.s tm I am lost for words, but "stupid bloody...." does keep attaching itself to any sentance I come up with to describe the woman who did it. michaela http://frazzledfrau.tripod.com from which Sibylla seems to have disappeared also http://recital.tripod.com/costume/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 22:52:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27397 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 22:52:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4H2g2C28380; Thu, 16 May 2002 20:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H2g1K22100; Thu, 16 May 2002 20:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns.misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H2fBK21840 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 20:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA00591 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 19:57:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3CE46F0E.85B44786@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Art destroyed References: <00dd01c1fcba$efaea000$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <000e01c1fd3b$888240e0$c7d1adcb@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:46:38 -0700 Status: RO To Michaela- Well, this is certainly dreadful stuff. I know it pales in comparison to the suffering of humans in India, Afganistan, and other places, but, darn it, these art pieces represent what humans can create so beautifully, despite our other dominant nasty, destructive streaks. That woman (the thief's mother) must be slightly insane to have felt justified in stooping to the kind of behaviour enacted by the Taliban against those beautifully serene Buddhas in the cliffs. What kind of people are these that destroy other people's unique creations? Jeez, where does this all end? Thanks for letting me vent so-off topic, Theresa Eacker michaela wrote: > > "A hoard of stolen art worth more than $1.4bn (£960m) has been destroyed - > by the mother of a French art thief." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 23:39:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27676 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:39:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4H3T1C00806; Thu, 16 May 2002 21:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H3T0K06152; Thu, 16 May 2002 21:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H3SeK06031 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 21:28:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GW8JGT00.KTW for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:10:05 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Art destroyed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3CE46F0E.85B44786@misc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:13:31 -0700 Status: RO I wonder if the report was accurate about her motivation? They don't say she destroyed all those wonderful things to protect her son, as I originally supposed, but because she was *mad* at him! Like: the fool got caught so I'm going to destroy all "his" artwork (that he worked so hard to acquire). Good lord! Well, I guess this will teach him a lesson, hunh. It's so, so awful! We can argue, as we sometimes do, about whether vintage clothing should be preserved or worn, but this is on a whole different scale. As you say, not on a par with many horrible things in the world, but wicked, nevertheless. A much saddened MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Theresa Eacker > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:47 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Art destroyed > > > To Michaela- > > Well, this is certainly dreadful stuff. I know it pales in comparison to > the suffering of humans in India, Afganistan, and other places, but, > darn it, these art pieces represent what humans can create so > beautifully, despite our other dominant nasty, destructive streaks. > > That woman (the thief's mother) must be slightly insane to have felt > justified in stooping to the kind of behaviour enacted by the Taliban > against those beautifully serene Buddhas in the cliffs. What kind of > people are these that destroy other people's unique creations? Jeez, > where does this all end? > > Thanks for letting me vent so-off topic, > > Theresa Eacker > > michaela wrote: > > > > "A hoard of stolen art worth more than $1.4bn (£960m) has been > destroyed - > > by the mother of a French art thief." > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 23:42:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27696 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:42:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4H3W1C01094; Thu, 16 May 2002 21:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H3W1K07043; Thu, 16 May 2002 21:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H3VaK06931 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 21:31:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020517033131.TBZC24980.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 03:31:31 +0000 Message-ID: <201b01c1fd53$61b6b000$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020516091537.00a87718@blue.ucdavis.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] EBay vs. costume college merchant? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:31:04 -0500 Status: RO Well.....if you are part of an organization that has events, get a booth there to sell them. If you have a friend that goes to conventions, ask if you can sell your items there. Ebay is your best bet because there is no transport of items back and forth furthering any wear and tear to them that will lessen their value. Of course, you could ask the members of this list that are interested to email you privately for the price list and description of the items to see what we would be willing to pay you for them. :) Sincerely, Franchesca `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°` ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwyn Carnegie" To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: [h-cost] EBay vs. costume college merchant? > > Spring cleaning in one of those mixed blessings sort of events. In exchange > for all that extra room in your costume & fabric storage areas, you end up > with stacks of stuff that you can't bear to throw out but you know, in your > heart of hearts, that you really need to get rid of. > > So you guessed it, after 20 years of costuming, I have stacks of costumes, > vintage shoes, trims, embroidery, and other items to get rid off. What's > the better venue to rid myself of this rather large pile that is > overwhelming my living room? EBay has the advantage of being pretty > immediate as far as response but it seems to have mood swings depending on > who is buying what at the time. Getting a table at CC could be fun but I > really don't want to haul the stuff down and then miss the classes I wanted > to take too. > > I know some of you are old hands at this. Anyone have any better suggestions? > > > Gwyn Carnegie > University of California, Davis > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 16 23:59:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27740 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:59:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4H3n2C02061; Thu, 16 May 2002 21:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H3n1K12022; Thu, 16 May 2002 21:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H3mnK11979 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 21:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p39-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.212.39] by smtp1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 178YjV-0007IE-00; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:48:46 +1200 Message-ID: <001f01c1fd55$bee1ef90$27d4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <00dd01c1fcba$efaea000$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <000e01c1fd3b$888240e0$c7d1adcb@michaela> <3CE46F0E.85B44786@misc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Art destroyed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:48:44 +1200 Status: RO << Thanks for letting me vent so-off topic, Theresa Eacker>> I hope people didn't think my original post was off topic, as the Cranach is one of my fav pieces of documentation- being a real woman and all. It is extrememely disturbing as we have now lost all those irreplaceable pieces of history. Bronzes, silverware.. paintings... poof. Gone because of this woman. I don't mention the theif himself as he actually *kept* the work.. mind you he stored them with her... he must have known what she was capable of... yes? Here in NZ we had someone deface Still on Top by Tissot (which is a great piece of documentation for 1870s striped bustles) but that at least was politically motivated. Still wanted to do nasty things to him.... but this was just spite or something equally domestic.. and it's lost. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 01:59:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28117 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 01:59:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4H5nLC07011; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:49:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H5nKK13355; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:49:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H5lJK12888 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020517054713.NMGQ4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 01:47:13 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] EBay vs. costume college merchant? Message-ID: <000001c1fd69$c8ae8b00$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <201b01c1fd53$61b6b000$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 02:12:12 -0400 Status: RO Why not use the H-Costume Swap and Sell site that Danielle created specifically for this purpose? That way your friends at H-Costume get first crack at all your goodies. If you have anything left over, then put it on eBay. Sorry, I don't remember what the URL is for the site. Does anyone else? Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwyn Carnegie" To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: [h-cost] EBay vs. costume college merchant? > > Spring cleaning in one of those mixed blessings sort of events. In exchange > for all that extra room in your costume & fabric storage areas, you end up > with stacks of stuff that you can't bear to throw out but you know, in your > heart of hearts, that you really need to get rid of. > > So you guessed it, after 20 years of costuming, I have stacks of costumes, > vintage shoes, trims, embroidery, and other items to get rid off. What's > the better venue to rid myself of this rather large pile that is > overwhelming my living room? EBay has the advantage of being pretty > immediate as far as response but it seems to have mood swings depending on > who is buying what at the time. Getting a table at CC could be fun but I > really don't want to haul the stuff down and then miss the classes I wanted > to take too. > > I know some of you are old hands at this. Anyone have any better suggestions? > > > Gwyn Carnegie > University of California, Davis > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 02:01:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28484 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 02:01:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4H5pLC07065; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H5pLK13872; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepB.post.tele.dk (fepB.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.145]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H5mVK13183 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:48:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.1]) by fepB.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020517054830.QPMU8483.fepB.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 07:48:30 +0200 Message-ID: <3CE499AF.DF65E109@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] apropos art destroyed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 07:48:31 +0200 Status: RO Hi. Apropos Lucas Cranach, there is an exhibition with his art at the Museum of Fine Arts in Copenhagen. I have not seen it yeat, but i definately must se it. Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 04:53:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24022 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 04:53:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4H8fNC12617; Fri, 17 May 2002 02:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H8fLK21760; Fri, 17 May 2002 02:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.53]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4H8cdK21171 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 02:38:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [68.65.178.96] ([68.65.178.96]) by smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GW8YO800.76P for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 04:38:32 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Art destroyed From: randl To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 04:38:32 -0400 Status: RO on 5/16/02 11:13 PM, Maggie Secara at maggiros@adelphia.net wrote: > I wonder if the report was accurate about her motivation? They don't say > she destroyed all those wonderful things to protect her son, as I originally > supposed, but because she was *mad* at him! Like: the fool got caught so > I'm going to destroy all "his" artwork (that he worked so hard to acquire). > Good lord! Well, I guess this will teach him a lesson, hunh. > > It's so, so awful! We can argue, as we sometimes do, about whether vintage > clothing should be preserved or worn, but this is on a whole different > scale. As you say, not on a par with many horrible things in the world, but > wicked, nevertheless. > > A much saddened > MaggiRos It is awful. Yes, people are doing horrible things to each other all over the world, but...we all look to art for relief, escape and pleasure in what mankind can create. Art doesn't serve much in the way of practical use, but it helps lighten our souls a bit after the everyday grind. This creature destroyed irreplacable bits of history, things that have survived all kinds of trials and tribulations only to end up in pieces at her hands. Its like kicking a puppy; no reason, just plain spite. Laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 11:14:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25771 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 11:14:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HF4RC29374; Fri, 17 May 2002 09:04:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HF4KK03758; Fri, 17 May 2002 09:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (dancer.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.146]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HF1jK02353 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 09:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [128.104.90.215] by smtp2.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.5 (built Apr 17 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GW900GOUGET5X@smtp2.doit.wisc.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 17 May 2002 10:01:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Barbara Wolff Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lorna Doone In-reply-to: <3CE42207.6E7F816B@post12.tele.dk> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed References: <20020516200201.19374.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> <3CE42207.6E7F816B@post12.tele.dk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4HF1jK02353 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:01:42 -0600 Status: RO >Greetings from a usual-lurker... Speaking of :Lorna Doone" versions, anyone happen to see the TCM silent TV screening of Maurice (father of Jacques "Cat People") Tournier's 1921 version? I was struck immediately w/the costumes, which I doubt were authentic at all...also the coaches (ditto). Any info from someone who knows something about any aspect of this welcome! Thanks ~ Barbara in Madison, Wis. >Hi. >I have no idea whatsoever how this movie is. But i had a costumer >question about >this red dress. Wont say who it is, but it is somebody who deals >with arranging >balls for reenactors in USA. >Perhaps i should tell her about the non accurateness of it! > >Bjarne > >N Kipar wrote: > >> AARRGGHHH there is NOTHING even remotely authentic for the period it is >> supposed to be abut this costume. Pure fantasy if you ask me >>(which you don't, >> but hey, did you really believe I wouldn't jump on and comment unsolicited? >> :-))) >> >> Bjarne, if you like making some fantasy idea of something supposedly 17th >> cventurish, then have fun, otherwise.... *winks* >> >> Nicole >> >> --- Leif Drews wrote: > Hi >> > I have had an inquiry for a costume in the Lorna Doone movie produced by >> > BBC/A&E. >> > The red dress she is wearing when she is walking with the King. >> > I have never seen this movie, is there somewhere i could buy a copy of >> > it? >> > >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Bjarne >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > Leif Drews >> > Åboulevard 5, 3 th >> > 1635 København V >> > >> > Bjarne Drews >> > Åboulevard 5,3.th >> > 1635 København V >> > >> > tlf. 35 37 13 70 >> > >> > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> > >> > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph >> > >> > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> ===== >> Nicole Kipar M.A. >> Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >> Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >> URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >> Email: marquis@kipar.org >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Everything you'll ever need on one web page >> from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >> http://uk.my.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >-- > > >Leif Drews >Åboulevard 5, 3 th >1635 København V > >Bjarne Drews >Åboulevard 5,3.th >1635 København V > >tlf. 35 37 13 70 > >My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > >Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Barbara Wolff University Communications University of Wisconsin-Madison (608) 262-8292 bjwolff@facstaff.wisc.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 11:50:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25924 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 11:50:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HFeMC02908; Fri, 17 May 2002 09:40:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HFeLK24401; Fri, 17 May 2002 09:40:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HFcYK23478 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 09:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.6.0) with ESMTP id g4HFcXH19862 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 08:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517081729.00a87f00@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Art destroyed In-Reply-To: <000e01c1fd3b$888240e0$c7d1adcb@michaela> References: <00dd01c1fcba$efaea000$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2190640==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:32:45 -0700 Status: RO --=====================_2190640==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 12:41 PM 5/17/2002 +1200, you wrote: >"A hoard of stolen art worth more than $1.4bn (=A3960m) has been destroyed= - >by the mother of a French art thief." > >When this was announced on news today, they flashed up a pic by Cranach.. >Sibylla von Cleves in her bridal attire as von Boehn called it.: >http://www.graphikmuseum-picasso-muenster.de/noflash/sammlung/sibylla_von_c= l >eve_big.html **lets out a not inconsiderate string of expletives** Some people's=20 children- I tell you I'm pretty sure Maggie and few other folks will be as upset about the lost= =20 of this one painting as I am >; ( I'm away from the office but does anyone remember off hand where the later= =20 portraits of Sybil as Electress are currently? I hope they are safe. And=20 was the wedding portrait of John Fredrick displayed along side Sybil's at=20 the time? Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis --=====================_2190640==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 12:41 PM 5/17/2002 +1200, you wrote:

"A hoard of stolen art worth more than $1.4bn (=A3960m) has been destroyed -
by the mother of a French art thief."

When this was announced on news today, they flashed up a pic by Cranach..
Sibylla von Cleves in her bridal attire as von Boehn called it.:
http://www.graphikmuseum-picasso-muenster.de/noflash/sam= mlung/sibylla_von_cl
eve_big.html

**lets out a not inconsiderate string of expletives**  Some people's children- I tell you

I'm pretty sure Maggie and few other folks will be as upset about the lost of this one painting as I am >; (

I'm away from the office but does anyone remember off hand where the later portraits of Sybil as Electress are currently? I hope they are safe.  And was the wedding portrait of John Fredrick displayed along side Sybil's at the time?

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California, Davis

--=====================_2190640==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 13:06:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26223 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:06:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HGu5C10276; Fri, 17 May 2002 10:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HGu4K10993; Fri, 17 May 2002 10:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HGtCK10510 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 10:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.102] (pm4-102.eos.net [205.133.149.102]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15883 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:55:08 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200205170843.g4H8hMK22317@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: stolen art destroyed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:47:33 -0400 Status: RO Yes, she said she was mad at her son and that's why she cut up the paintings and stuffed them down her garbage disposal . . . and dumped musical instruments in the river . . . etc. etc. etc. To me, it sounds more like she is trying to get out of trouble! "I did it in a fit of passion because I was so mad" is a better excuse than "I destroyed priceless artworks so there would be no evidence against my son." Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 14:09:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26474 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:09:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HHx2C16022; Fri, 17 May 2002 11:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HHx1K16287; Fri, 17 May 2002 11:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HHwDK15838 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 11:58:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20702 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:19:36 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: stolen art destroyed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:19:36 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 17 May 2002, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > To me, it sounds more like she is trying to get out of trouble! "I did > it in a fit of passion because I was so mad" is a better excuse than > "I destroyed priceless artworks so there would be no evidence against > my son." According to news accounts, she was afraid that as the mother of an international thief, she would lose her work permit and thus her job (working over the border, as is common in her town), and that she would not be able to find another job at her age. I can see there being a mix of anger and a wild hope that without evidence, there would be no case. But since he was already arrested and had confessed, she surely didn't have much hope of the lack of evidence being much help. I think it was the account at the Art Loss Register site that noted that when the son was arrested and spilled the truth, the officials asked whether there was a chance his girlfriend/accomplice (still at large) or his mother (whose home held the artworks) would destroy the works. The son laughed and replied oh no, they knew how much the art was worth! I would assume he was as stunned as anyone that the paintings were destroyed. At least she dumped the artifacts intact somewhere, and many have been recovered. But ripping up the paintings and shoving them down the garbage disposal... there is no returning from that. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 14:58:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26682 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:58:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HIP4C18336; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HIP2K29780; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HIOCK29379 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:24:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.6.0) with ESMTP id g4HIOBH12111 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 11:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517102625.00ae0bd0@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: RE: [h-cost] EBay vs. costume college merchant? In-Reply-To: <000001c1fd69$c8ae8b00$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> References: <201b01c1fd53$61b6b000$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_12128625==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:36:36 -0700 Status: RO --=====================_12128625==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've been to the site but no one seems to use it. I've had a few people contact me and it sounds like ebay is the way to go. Thanks for the insight and opinions everyone, as always >; ) At 02:12 AM 5/17/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Why not use the H-Costume Swap and Sell site that Danielle created >specifically for this purpose? That way your friends at H-Costume get >first crack at all your goodies. If you have anything left over, then >put it on eBay. > >Sorry, I don't remember what the URL is for the site. Does anyone else? > >Linda Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis --=====================_12128625==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I've been to the site but no one seems to use it. I've had a few people contact me and it sounds like ebay is the way to go.

Thanks for the insight and opinions everyone, as always >; )

At 02:12 AM 5/17/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Why not use the H-Costume Swap and Sell site that Danielle created
specifically for this purpose?  That way your friends at H-Costume get
first crack at all your goodies. If you have anything left over, then
put it on eBay.

Sorry, I don't remember what the URL is for the site.  Does anyone else?

Linda

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California, Davis
--=====================_12128625==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 15:05:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26839 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:05:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HIt1C20649; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HIt1K15443; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HIs1K14821 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1a-6.lbrlks.adelphia.net [68.64.140.6]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13233 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:53:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3CE551C8.D976B9E1@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-c swap and save References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:54:03 -0600 Status: RO So not using it makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy, no? Mary Denise Smith _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 15:09:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26861 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:09:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HIm2C20073; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HIm1K11725; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HIlEK11331 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:47:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21061 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:08:40 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517102625.00ae0bd0@blue.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] h-c swap and save, was: EBay vs. costume college merchant? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:08:40 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 17 May 2002, Gwyn Carnegie wrote: > >Why not use the H-Costume Swap and Sell site that Danielle created > >specifically for this purpose? That way your friends at H-Costume get > >first crack at all your goodies. If you have anything left over, then > >put it on eBay. > I've been to the site but no one seems to use it. I've had a few people > contact me and it sounds like ebay is the way to go. Don't let the low quantity of messages on the site throw you. When someone posts a new item, those of us who are signed up get a notice about it. If we're interested, we'll respond directly to you. I've sold nearly every item I've listed on the site, and fast. What's important is not the number of messages, but the number of people on the list. Danielle, do you know how many of us there are? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 15:10:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26866 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:09:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HIx1C20938; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HIx1K17557; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (lakemtao01.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HIw7K17121 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 12:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020517185802.CZBE29627.lakemtao01.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:58:02 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] EBay vs. costume college merchant? Message-ID: <000201c1fdbd$30443ff0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517102625.00ae0bd0@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:09:10 -0400 Status: RO One other thing to consider is that the Swap & Sell is free to you, but eBay charges seller's fees. I think the S&S site is a great idea, and if more people would use it, then maybe more people would use it. Get it? Wherever you decide to list your stuff, be sure to let the list know. I'm probably going to have to restrain myself, but looking is free, right? It's always fun to see inside other people's closets. Linda -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Gwyn Carnegie Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 12:37 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] EBay vs. costume college merchant? I've been to the site but no one seems to use it. I've had a few people contact me and it sounds like ebay is the way to go. Thanks for the insight and opinions everyone, as always >; ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 16:03:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27177 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 16:03:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HJo1C24867; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HJo1K13404; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (fepout1.telus.net [199.185.220.236]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HJnLK13073 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:49:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from orb.telus.net ([64.180.169.220]) by priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with ESMTP id <20020517194915.NMMQ26959.priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net@orb.telus.net> for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:49:15 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020517125102.009f4ec0@pop.telus.net> X-Sender: a6a21289@pop.telus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: kris Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-c swap and save, was: EBay vs. costume college merchant? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517102625.00ae0bd0@blue.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:52:11 -0700 Status: RO Could someone please post the address? I've tried searching through the archives for "swap and sell" AND I've tried google.. with no luck. :/ thanks! kris > > >Why not use the H-Costume Swap and Sell site that Danielle created > > >specifically for this purpose? That way your friends at H-Costume get > > >first crack at all your goodies. If you have anything left over, then > > >put it on eBay. > > > I've been to the site but no one seems to use it. I've had a few people > > contact me and it sounds like ebay is the way to go. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 16:06:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27196 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 16:06:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HJj3C24402; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HJj1K10811; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fepA.post.tele.dk (fepA.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HJiaK10550 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.236]) by fepA.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020517194435.EYFZ24897.fepA.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 21:44:35 +0200 Message-ID: <3CE55DA2.165F7BE1@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] ottoman silk Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:44:34 +0200 Status: RO Hi, I just browsed the silk trading company and found a lovely silk ottoman in 100 % silk. It is tea coloured, i searched under honey coloured fabrics and found it this way. It looks gorgeous. But is this ottoman silk like a ribbed silk? is it two heavy for a jacket, waistcoat and trousers? I am still looking for silk for the new suit i want to make. Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 16:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27208 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 16:07:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HJu1C25438; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HJu0K16715; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HJtdK16500 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:55:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.104] (pm4-104.eos.net [205.133.149.104]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17626 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:55:33 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200205171801.g4HI1eK17880@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] vintage wedding book Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:48:00 -0400 Status: RO At the library today I picked up a new book called "Your Vintage Wedding" by Nancy Eaton. It's a lovely little book about how to hold a vintage (1910s-1950s) wedding, with much of it devoted to clothes. Lots of period wedding photos are included, as are a bunch of modern reproductions. Some of the reproductions are by Theresa LaQuey, who designs some of the Simplicity vintage patterns. They are all lovely -- especially her own wedding dress, which is based on a dress Ginger Rogers wore in "Swing Time." The bridesmaids' and flower girl's dresses were inspired by other Ginger Rogers gowns! Anyway, it's well worth checking out. There are lots of great hints about how to work with seamstresses, how to commission a dress, how to shop for vintage clothes, how to pick original or reproduction patterns, etc. There's also a nice guide to what tuxedos or suits men should wear to match -- although it assumes they will wear modern ones. Enjoy! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 16:23:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27332 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 16:23:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HK83C26582; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:08:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HK81K23336; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f94.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.94]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HK71K22814 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:06:55 -0700 Received: from 205.163.11.113 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:06:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.163.11.113] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2002 20:06:55.0827 (UTC) FILETIME=[64C4CA30:01C1FDDE] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Art Destroyed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:06:55 +0000 Status: RO Would someone mind reposting the link to this story. I've tried to bring the story up, but the link did not work. Thanks! :) jessica _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 16:31:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27471 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 16:31:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HKJ1C27584; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HKJ0K28886; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HKIRK28601 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:18:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.1aa.2690062 (16785) for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 16:18:13 -0400 (EDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Message-ID: <1aa.2690062.2a16bf85@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Art Destroyed To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1aa.2690062.2a16bf85_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10503 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:18:13 EDT Status: RO --part1_1aa.2690062.2a16bf85_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jessica The same thing happened to me intially, because the first portion of the link was a "hyperlink" and was incomplete with the balance of the url below it but not connected to the hyperlinked portion. I then cut and pasted the link in it's entirety, and it worked. However, I posted it for you below. The first is the link to the destroyed Cranach painting, the second the link to the story. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here, while these visions did appear." W. Shakespeare In a message dated 5/17/2002 1:08:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jessicastier@hotmail.com writes: > Would someone mind reposting the link to this story. I've tried to bring > the story up, but the link did not work. > > Thanks! > :) jessica > > When this was announced on news today, they flashed up a pic by Cranach.. Sibylla von Cleves in her bridal attire as von Boehn called it.: http://www.graphikmuseum-picasso-muenster.de/noflash/sammlung/sibylla_von_cl eve_big.html But the amount of work destroyed..... for the full article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/arts/newsid_1990000/1990836.s tm --part1_1aa.2690062.2a16bf85_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jessica

The same thing happened to me intially, because the first portion of the link was a "hyperlink" and was incomplete with the balance of the url below it but not connected to the hyperlinked portion. I then cut and pasted the link in it's entirety, and it worked. However, I posted it for you below. The first is the link to the destroyed Cranach painting, the second the link to the story.

angela
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Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
Theatrical Costume Design
www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
"If we shadows have offended, think but this,
and all is mended,
That you have but slumbered here,
while these visions did appear."
W. Shakespeare

In a message dated 5/17/2002 1:08:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jessicastier@hotmail.com writes:


Would someone mind reposting the link to this story.  I've tried to bring
the story up, but the link did not work.

Thanks!
:) jessica



When this was announced on news today, they flashed up a pic by Cranach..
Sibylla von Cleves in her bridal attire as von Boehn called it.:
http://www.graphikmuseum-picasso-muenster.de/noflash/sammlung/sibylla_von_cl
eve_big.html

But the amount of work destroyed..... for the full article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/arts/newsid_1990000/1990836.s
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 --part1_1aa.2690062.2a16bf85_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 18:13:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28143 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:13:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HLw2C05676; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:58:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HLw1K19066; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HLv6K18648 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.fb.265a1b1c (15974) for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m04.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.132]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v86.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID101-0517175654; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:56:54 -0400 From: kitsune242@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-c swap and save, was: EBay vs. costume college merchant? Message-ID: <123B4CC5.139C17CB.0F933E1F@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:56:54 -0400 Status: RO Is that a seperate list to be signed up for? And can someone please post the URL. Thanks, Kit _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 18:53:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28356 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:53:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HMV3C08112; Fri, 17 May 2002 16:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HMV0K04378; Fri, 17 May 2002 16:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HMUkK04268 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 16:30:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-relay04-en1.mac.com (smtp-relay04-en1 [10.13.10.223]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g4HMUgPZ020696 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3.mac.com [10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay04-en1.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g4HMUb2J019085 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.95.177.85] ([128.95.177.85]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GWA17100.63A for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:30:37 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 From: Agnes G To: H-costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] h-c swap and save sign up info Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:30:37 -0700 Status: RO Here's the original invitation I saved from December... Agnes > --------- > From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:46:33 -0500 > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] You want to sell your fabric? > > Greetings, > > Since we've been discussing a list for selling for swapping > fabric, I thought I would start the ball rolling by setting > up this "community." I hope you join. > > Cheers, > Danielle > > > Your invitation to join: > "HCostume fabric sell or swap..." > > TO JOIN, CLICK HERE: > http://www.communityzero.com/hcostume/index.cfm?key=251-KNE > > After clicking on the above link you will see the community's > welcome page. Click the 'JOIN THIS COMMUNITY' link found on > the center of the welcome page. > > Your invitation key is: 251-KNE > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > If you cannot click on the link, cut and paste the Web address > into the "Address" area of your Web browser. Note that the > invitation key is NOT your user name. You must select your own > user name and password when creating a new account. > > This is a private and interactive website for the group. > Registration is free and your privacy will be respected. You > will not receive e-mail SPAM after registration. > > If you experience problems using the above link, please ensure > it was not split into two lines. If so, cut and paste the full > Web address into the Web browser's "Address" area. > > This invitation was sent by Danielle Nunn-Weinberg. > > CommunityZero > by Ramius Corporation > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Build your own communities for free today! > http://www.communityzero.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 19:05:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28459 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:05:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HMs1C09616; Fri, 17 May 2002 16:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HMs0K14305; Fri, 17 May 2002 16:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lakemtao03.cox.net (lakemtao03.cox.net [68.1.17.242]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HMr0K13849 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 16:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020517225254.RYSS1975.lakemtao03.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:52:54 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] h-c swap and save sign up info Message-ID: <000301c1fdeb$5b180fd0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:39:39 -0400 Status: RO Thanks Agnes! All that info was stored in the old computer, so I don't have easy access to it anymore. I was hoping that somebody had it saved! Linda Here's the original invitation I saved from December... Agnes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 19:15:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28520 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:15:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HN42C10259; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HN41K18765; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HN31K18379 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bridgette.cornell.edu (syr-24-92-237-45.twcny.rr.com [24.92.237.45]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21122 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517185843.00aaa5e0@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Mari Stewart Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] new to list Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:04:04 -0400 Status: RO Hi all. I'm new to the list. Just signed up today. I specialize in 1300 to 1700 clothing from Northern and Central Europe, but I am a great generalist, and I love to research. I've taken a look at the archives - alot there! I look forward to being a part of this, and seeing the community in action. Mari Stewart Ithaca, NY _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 19:24:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28538 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:24:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HNE2C10920; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HNE1K22438; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HNDfK22289 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:13:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2244.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.244]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21321 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:13:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3CE58DFC.E2DA9D06@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements References: <4.3.1.2.20020510231458.00d23520@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:10:53 -0400 Status: RO Hi. Not the right forum for this discussion, but I will be glad to discuss Renaissance anaesthesia with anyone. I am not aware, however, of any ribs being removed for cosmetic or any other than emergency reasons in that period. If someone could direct me to some documentable resources on the subject, I would be grateful. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 19:37:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28582 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:37:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HNR0C11696; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HNR0K26891; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HNQrK26818 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:26:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2244.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.244]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23837 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:26:46 -0400 Message-ID: <3CE59115.92C417BA@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand muffs References: <19a.2198077.2a0f2932@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:24:06 -0400 Status: RO Hi. Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd has a few photos of paintings and other illos of ladies with muffs dated from the 1580s. I vaguely remember seeing a painting from around the 1530s, perhaps a Cranach or someone similar, but don't quote me. Cheers, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 19:48:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28648 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:48:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4HNY2C12122; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HNY1K29026; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HNXoK28970 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2244.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.244]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22744 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:33:43 -0400 Message-ID: <3CE592B6.960CC327@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] renaissance baby in long clothes References: <3CDEC185.236B392F@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:31:02 -0400 Status: RO Hi. Bjarne, that is quite a coup, getting orders from a national institution like that. Congratulations. Perhaps they need to clone you, so that you could teach the young Bjarne all of your skills, and you could get everything done! ;) Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 20:28:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28878 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:28:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I002C13468; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I001K07047; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4HNxBK06740 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2244.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.244]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24267 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:59:04 -0400 Message-ID: <3CE598A7.746B0C16@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] lining fabric question References: <001f01c1faa0$710d6860$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:56:23 -0400 Status: RO Hi. One of my doublets is interlined with hemp canvas of about a medium stiffness and a somewhat open weave. I find it very comfortable and breathable in the summer. I also have a pair of sailor's breeches of the same cloth, which are quite comfortable. Good Luck with your project. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 20:43:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28912 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:43:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I0X2C15313; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I0X1K15983; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I0WmK15914 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:32:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2106.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.106]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26427 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:32:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3CE5A075.32E09018@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Flat caps" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:29:41 -0400 Status: RO Hi, All. Ya know, it's funny how a discussion makes a 360. The flat cap that I saw in the Pavia tapestry wasn't a huge Landsknecht confection, but a sort of a felted mildly dished shape held on over a cap by some sort of tie that passed through two holes on the sides and went over the top of the "cap". This discussion, however, put me in mind of some research that I am doing for my wife. She is an avid knitter (among other things). I have been searching for pictures of hats that "might" be knitted, from the 15th Cent. on, for her. I noticed that the Swiss in the Schilling Chronicles (1460s) are wearing fuzzy bowler shaped hats, and that some are sort of flattening out on the top. These hats look similar to the ones that we saw in the media over a few months being worn by Afghan troops, not quite as flat on the top. I am conjecturing that this is the prototypical shape for what became the flat cap, both in it's knitted and cut varieties, and was a predecessor to the Monmouth cap, in at least one of it's variants. My wife has knitted prototypes of all of these caps, and all of the shapes are quite well within the abilities of folks in those periods to do. Once felted and blocked, it's amazing what knitted wool will do. If you can find an image of the tapestry (they are referred to as Brussels tapestries), look for the soldier with the basket on his back (another one of my research subjects), and look at the woman standing (fleeing, actually) to his left. I could possibly scan it, but I can't guarantee the image. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 20:58:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28964 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:58:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I0m1C16005; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I0m1K20174; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I0lEK19965 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:47:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2106.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.106]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30967 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:47:06 -0400 Message-ID: <3CE5A3EA.B8C1760C@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCAcostuming) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:44:26 -0400 Status: RO Hi, All. Robin, that was probably the most succinct yet illuminating explanation of the situation that I have heard in a long time. I have never learned to "cut to the chase", so let me state my admiration for your ability to do so... Mike T. > I have been trying to avoid this conversation, but I did see this comment > quoted: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 22:13:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29180 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:13:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I221C18864; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I220K08707; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I21AK08512 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:01:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GWAAXX00.AO2 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:01:09 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] my list of amusements Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3CE58DFC.E2DA9D06@dandy.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:05:47 -0700 Status: RO I've never even heard of ribs being removed for ladies in any part of the Renaissance. As far as I know, that's a Victorian costume legend. For one thing, the 16th century silhouette doesn't require a wasp waist. The corset only reshapes the natural oval of a waist into a circle. MaggiRos (way behind on the mail already) > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of leigh tartaglio > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:11 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] my list of amusements > > > Hi. Not the right forum for this discussion, but I will be glad to discuss > Renaissance anaesthesia with anyone. I am not aware, however, of > any ribs being > removed for cosmetic or any other than emergency reasons in that > period. If > someone could direct me to some documentable resources on the > subject, I would be > grateful. Mike T. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 22:18:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29201 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:18:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I252C18964; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I251K09461; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I24VK09320 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GWAB0X00.GN2; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:02:57 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: , Subject: RE: [h-cost] new to list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517185843.00aaa5e0@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:07:35 -0700 Status: RO That's a broad bit of time to be a specialist in, Mari, but what the heck, you're in good company here. Welcome home! MaggiRos ~The Elizabethan World is at http://ren.dm.net > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Mari Stewart > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:04 PM > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] new to list > > > Hi all. I'm new to the list. Just signed up today. I > specialize in 1300 > to 1700 clothing from Northern and Central Europe, but I am a great > generalist, and I love to research. I've taken a look at the archives - > alot there! I look forward to being a part of this, and seeing the > community in action. > > Mari Stewart > Ithaca, NY > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 22:31:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29236 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:31:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I257C18982; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I257K09493; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I24ZK09338 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:04:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GWAB0X00.GN2; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:02:57 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: , Subject: RE: [h-cost] new to list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517185843.00aaa5e0@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:07:35 -0700 Status: RO That's a broad bit of time to be a specialist in, Mari, but what the heck, you're in good company here. Welcome home! MaggiRos ~The Elizabethan World is at http://ren.dm.net > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Mari Stewart > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:04 PM > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] new to list > > > Hi all. I'm new to the list. Just signed up today. I > specialize in 1300 > to 1700 clothing from Northern and Central Europe, but I am a great > generalist, and I love to research. I've taken a look at the archives - > alot there! I look forward to being a part of this, and seeing the > community in action. > > Mari Stewart > Ithaca, NY > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 22:32:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29245 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:32:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I2E0C19324; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I2E0K11718; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I2DMK11582 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:13:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GWABI200.0O3 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:13:14 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA costuming) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3CE15FF8.17129.CAD515E@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:17:50 -0700 Status: RO Well damn. I would have sworn... On the other hand, perhaps the book I was looking at was less than reliable. I'm finding the contrary evidence sort of overwhelming, here. :( Unfortunately, the book whose title and author completely escape me, of course, belongs to someone else who says it's in a box in the garage, or storage, or something. She used to be on this list for a while, but hasn't piped up on this topic, so I presume she's gone away again. Guess I'll have to dig out an addy for her. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of kat@grendal.rain.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:05 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level of SCA > costuming) > > > > > Maggie, if you can remember any info about any refs showing > > spectacles, I would be interested. When you say "side-pieces", do you > > mean solid arms or the cording that we spoke about earlier? I would > > like to see early docs of solid earpieces, as I have never seen the > > like before in all of the illos I have seen. Is it possible that there > > was that old mistake of switching up 17th century for the 1700s? > > Thanks in advance, Mike T. > > I just went through "A Spectacle of Spectacles", which shows all > sorts of them (from about the 14th C on). I couldn't find any with > sidepieces in it until later. The book is illustrated with period > woodcuts, paintings, extant specs and reconstructions of extant > specs. > > > Kat > > Kat(June Russell) > kat@grendal.rain.com > Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 17 22:36:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29264 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:36:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I1w2C18686; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I1w0K07827; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I1vHK07671 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:57:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Maggie ([24.55.6.126]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GWAAQ400.4LW for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 21:56:28 -0400 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lorna Doone Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020516212950.53787.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:01:05 -0700 Status: RO Is there a pic of this dress somewhere? I only saw a little of the movie, and can't remember anything good or bad about the clothes. (I want to put it in the over-my-dead-body file :) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of N Kipar > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 2:30 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lorna Doone > > > Ah, Bjarne, I think the same person contacted me, because they > wanted info on > available Barqoue patterns, and mentioned that they were > specifically looking > to recreate the lorna doone dress and I answered them the same, > that there is > no way in hell this is any other period than the 20th century > fantasy. ;-))) > > Nicole > > --- Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > > I have no idea whatsoever how this movie is. But i had a > costumer question > > about > > this red dress. Wont say who it is, but it is somebody who deals with > > arranging > > balls for reenactors in USA. > > Perhaps i should tell her about the non accurateness of it! > > > > Bjarne > > > > N Kipar wrote: > > > > > AARRGGHHH there is NOTHING even remotely authentic for the > period it is > > > supposed to be abut this costume. Pure fantasy if you ask me > (which you > > don't, > > > but hey, did you really believe I wouldn't jump on and > comment unsolicited? > > > :-))) > > > > > > Bjarne, if you like making some fantasy idea of something > supposedly 17th > > > cventurish, then have fun, otherwise.... *winks* > > > > > > Nicole > > > > > > --- Leif Drews wrote: > Hi > > > > I have had an inquiry for a costume in the Lorna Doone > movie produced by > > > > BBC/A&E. > > > > The red dress she is wearing when she is walking with the King. > > > > I have never seen this movie, is there somewhere i could > buy a copy of > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Leif Drews > > > > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > > > > 1635 København V > > > > > > > > Bjarne Drews > > > > Åboulevard 5,3.th > > > > 1635 København V > > > > > > > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > > > > > > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > > > > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > > > > > > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > h-costume mailing list > > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > ===== > > > Nicole Kipar M.A. > > > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > > > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > > > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > > > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > -- > > > > > > Leif Drews > > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > > 1635 København V > > > > Bjarne Drews > > Åboulevard 5,3.th > > 1635 København V > > > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 00:51:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29858 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 00:51:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I4f1C24067; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I4f0K14799; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com (dl.mixmeister.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I4e2K14598 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AB79FED006C; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:41:29 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c1fe26$38cc25c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Stars Wars Costume Review Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 00:40:59 -0400 Status: RO I just got back from seeing the latest Stars Wars. So here is my review on the costumes: I found the Queen/Senator Amilida's costumes toned done in this episode over last episode. They weren't as elaborate. Two of her gowns in the beginning have a Tudor farthingale look to me. When she is wearing the second one, her lady in waiting also had the same A-bell shaped skirt. The costume with the crocheted snoods, had a medieval feel.. very whimsical. Two things in the film really impressed me... the large variety of cloaks, so many beautiful fabrics. I swear, some of the cloaks were off of Liz Gerd's kinsale cloak pattern. I am requesting Liz to see the film to confirm it. I'll get back with her reaction. I can really see these being fashionable in the upcoming fall/winter. #2... and I don't want to give away to much....... the Queen's veil was stunningly beautiful. So 1920s with the close skull and the pearls. Bjarne, you would have died over the lace in it. The gown was beautiful but they didn't show a close up of it. Now I do have to tell you on opening night here, there were a group of fans in their storm troopers costumes... complete with the mic to change their voices. My son says they are a union type group of them all over the country that go to showings and activities of Stars Wars. They stated their costumes cost over a $1,000. Tonight a little boy saw the film with us dress as a young Annikan. He was so cute. You know I figured out after watching the show why my 19 y.o. son #3 is so fascinated with swords. He is part of that groups of kids that grew up on Star Wars. He just fell in love with all the light sabers duels tonight... there are many. He came out talking non-stop about them. The light saber duels were just like fencing with more acrobatics. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 01:28:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29994 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 01:28:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I5I2C25268; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I5I1K22638; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I5HpK22596 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:17:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p208-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.208] by smtp4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 178wbE-0007Uf-00; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:17:49 +1200 Message-ID: <006d01c1fe2b$58e29e20$d0c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <003201c1fe26$38cc25c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stars Wars Costume Review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:17:45 +1200 Status: RO > I just got back from seeing the latest Stars Wars. So here is my review on > the costumes: I should first of all direct people to a *great* page to look and review her costumes. I've been drooling over some, and have just bought some white cotton lycra to make the top of Padme's white battle costume. http://www.padawansguide.com/padme.shtml > I found the Queen/Senator Amilida's costumes toned done in this episode over > last episode. They weren't as elaborate. Two of her gowns in the beginning > have a Tudor farthingale look to me. When she is wearing the second one, > her lady in waiting also had the same A-bell shaped skirt. The costume > with the crocheted snoods, had a medieval feel.. very whimsical. Ahh the gold picnic gown... another "I need to recreate." but probably in white as I happen to have nice fabrics but in white;) > Two things in the film really impressed me... the large variety of cloaks, > so many beautiful fabrics. I swear, some of the cloaks were off of Liz > Gerd's kinsale cloak pattern. I am requesting Liz to see the film to > confirm it. I'll get back with her reaction. I can really see these being > fashionable in the upcoming fall/winter. Oh yes. I'm looking at making the white cloak of Padme's white battle costume too. I just need some nice fabric for it... I'm going to see it next week. I missed the opening which might well have been a good thing.. too many people. mivchaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 01:33:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30006 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 01:33:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I5N0C25390; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I5N0K23685; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I5MvK23669 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:22:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p208-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.208] by smtp4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 178wg1-0008GQ-00; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:22:46 +1200 Message-ID: <007101c1fe2c$0c171520$d0c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <00dd01c1fcba$efaea000$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517081729.00a87f00@blue.ucdavis.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Art destroyed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01C1FE90.A0435EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:22:46 +1200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C1FE90.A0435EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <> <<**lets out a not inconsiderate string of expletives** Some people's = children- I tell you I'm pretty sure Maggie and few other folks will be as upset about the = lost of this one painting as I am >; (>> I was stunned when she was the first painting on screen. I first saw her = in Max von Boehn's Die Mode and was stunned.. having only til that point = seen English "tudor" portraits, so she was like a fairy tale princess = with her hair down and soft dress. I feel a real sense of loss over this = particular painting. I was hoping to see her in real life. And now I = won't. This was an early 16thC painting for goodness sake. There was also an = ealy portrait by Corneille...van H- I wasn't familiar with the last = part of his name. But it looked familiar in style to Corneille de Lyon: http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/corneille_de_lyon.html so I'm not = sure. And it was od a french woman too.. so maybe he is know by another = name? <> Unfortunatly they did not list all the paintings (though another was a = Brugel!) nor even mention Sibylla by name. I'm hoping I'll find a more = indepth report of this sometime soon. michaela ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C1FE90.A0435EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<<When this was announced on news today, they flashed up a = pic by=20 Cranach..
Sibylla von Cleves in her bridal attire as von Boehn called = it.:
http://www.graphikmuseum-picasso-muenster.de/noflash/s= ammlung/sibylla_von_cl
eve_big.html>>
 
<<**lets out a not inconsiderate string of expletives**  = Some=20 people's children- I tell you

I'm pretty sure Maggie and few = other folks=20 will be as upset about the lost of this one painting as I am >;=20 (>>
 
I was stunned when she was the first = painting on=20 screen. I first saw her in Max von Boehn's Die Mode and was stunned.. = having=20 only til that point seen English "tudor" portraits, so she was like a = fairy tale=20 princess with her hair down and soft dress. I feel a real sense of loss = over=20 this particular painting. I was hoping to see her in real life. And now = I=20 won't.
This was an early 16thC painting for = goodness sake.=20 There was also an ealy portrait by Corneille...van  H- I wasn't = familiar=20 with the last part of his name. But it looked familiar in style to = Corneille de=20 Lyon:
http= ://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/corneille_de_lyon.html so=20 I'm not sure. And it was od a french woman too.. so maybe he is know by = another=20 name?

<<I'm away from the = office but=20 does anyone remember off hand where the later portraits of Sybil as = Electress=20 are currently? I hope they are safe.  And was the wedding portrait = of John=20 Fredrick displayed along side Sybil's at the time? >>
 
Unfortunatly they did not list all the = paintings=20 (though another was a Brugel!) nor even mention Sibylla by name. I'm = hoping I'll=20 find a more indepth report of this sometime soon.
 
michaela
 

------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C1FE90.A0435EC0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 04:31:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26562 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 04:31:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I8L2C00584; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I8L0K28854; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from commzero.com ([199.246.107.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I8K4K28690 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:20:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.37] (HELO 192.168.1.51) by commzero.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 13911324 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 18 May 2002 04:17:18 -0400 Content-type: text/plain From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Subject: [h-cost] HCostume fabric sell or swap... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 04:26:06 -0400 Status: RO Ok. Let's try this again. I'm not sure the last message got through. So, any of you who wish to join, just go through this link. That way you don't have to wait for me to approve you...(which can take awhile - I'm a grad student in final cruch time...) Cheers, Danielle Your invitation to join: "HCostume fabric sell or swap..." TO JOIN, CLICK HERE: http://www.communityzero.com/hcostume/index.cfm?key=471-QLQ After clicking on the above link you will see the community's welcome page. Click the 'JOIN THIS COMMUNITY' link found on the center of the welcome page. Your invitation key is: 471-QLQ ---------------------------------------------------------------- If you cannot click on the link, cut and paste the Web address into the "Address" area of your Web browser. Note that the invitation key is NOT your user name. You must select your own user name and password when creating a new account. This is a private and interactive website for the group. Registration is free and your privacy will be respected. You will not receive e-mail SPAM after registration. If you experience problems using the above link, please ensure it was not split into two lines. If so, cut and paste the full Web address into the Web browser's "Address" area. This invitation was sent by Danielle Nunn-Weinberg. CommunityZero by Ramius Corporation ------------------------------------------------------------------ Build your own communities for free today! http://www.communityzero.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 04:33:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26584 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 04:33:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I8N2C00648; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I8N1K29217; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I8MjK29147 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:22:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.15]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020518082239.WOFT8004.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 08:22:39 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020518032651.02e7c660@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: HCostume fabric sell or swap... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 03:27:04 -0500 Status: RO >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 04:26:06 -0400 >Ok. Let's try this again. I'm not sure the last message >got through. So, any of you who wish to join, just go >through this link. That way you don't have to wait for me to >approve you...(which can take awhile - I'm a grad student in >final cruch time...) > >Cheers, >Danielle > > >Your invitation to join: >"HCostume fabric sell or swap..." > >TO JOIN, CLICK HERE: >http://www.communityzero.com/hcostume/index.cfm?key=508-IQX > >After clicking on the above link you will see the community's >welcome page. Click the 'JOIN THIS COMMUNITY' link found on >the center of the welcome page. > >Your invitation key is: 508-IQX > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >If you cannot click on the link, cut and paste the Web address >into the "Address" area of your Web browser. Note that the >invitation key is NOT your user name. You must select your own >user name and password when creating a new account. > >This is a private and interactive website for the group. >Registration is free and your privacy will be respected. You >will not receive e-mail SPAM after registration. > >If you experience problems using the above link, please ensure >it was not split into two lines. If so, cut and paste the full >Web address into the Web browser's "Address" area. > >This invitation was sent by Danielle Nunn-Weinberg. > >CommunityZero >by Ramius Corporation >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Build your own communities for free today! >http://www.communityzero.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 04:39:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26670 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 04:39:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I8T0C00899; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I8T0K00507; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I8SdK00415 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:28:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.15]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020518082833.WPJD8004.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 08:28:33 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020518032730.02e79580@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: admisitrative info & question about HCostume fabric sell or swap..Re: [h-cost] h-c swap and save, was In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517102625.00ae0bd0@blue.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 03:32:59 -0500 Status: RO At 02:08 PM 5/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 17 May 2002, Gwyn Carnegie wrote: > > >Why not use the H-Costume Swap and Sell site that Danielle created > > >specifically for this purpose? That way your friends at H-Costume get > > >first crack at all your goodies. If you have anything left over, then > > >put it on eBay. > > > I've been to the site but no one seems to use it. I've had a few people > > contact me and it sounds like ebay is the way to go. > >Don't let the low quantity of messages on the site throw you. When someone >posts a new item, those of us who are signed up get a notice about it. If >we're interested, we'll respond directly to you. > >I've sold nearly every item I've listed on the site, and fast. > >What's important is not the number of messages, but the number of people >on the list. Danielle, do you know how many of us there are? > >--Robin Amazingly enough Robin, I'm looking at my H-Costume email for the first time since K'zoo and caught this. : ) We have 130 members on HCostume fabric sell or swap... Oh, and I do advise people to use the invitation to sign-up...it simplifies things enormously. However, I do ask that those of you who do sign up that way, fill in all the info requested. This community results in business transactions and signing-up as "unidentified" doesn't show much faith in your fellows. At the will of this list - anyone who signs up without an invitation and doesn't provide at least a name & email address are declined. I've just noticed that there are a few people already signed up through the invites who haven't given us their name etc. So, what do all of you think? Should their membership be revoked if they don't update their info? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 05:03:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26898 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 05:03:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4I8q2C01389; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I8q1K04670; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4I8pBK04503 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 02:51:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.99.26a34190 (2172) for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 04:51:03 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <99.26a34190.2a176ff7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stars Wars Costume Review To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_99.26a34190.2a176ff7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10034 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 04:51:03 EDT Status: RO --part1_99.26a34190.2a176ff7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/18/02 12:41:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: > Now I do have to tell you on opening night here, there were a group of fans > in their storm troopers costumes... complete with the mic to change their > voices. My son says they are a union type group of them all over the > country that go to showings and activities of Stars Wars. They stated > their > costumes cost over a $1,000. According to this article in the Washington Post, anyone with a uniform is technically in violation of Lucasfilm copyright, but he evidently doesn't mind, as they seem to be providing him with tons of free publicity: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8162-2002May12.html I got my paper doll book of the Senator's outfits a couple of weeks ago. Ann Wass --part1_99.26a34190.2a176ff7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/18/02 12:41:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes:


Now I do have to tell you on opening night here, there were a group of fans
in their storm troopers costumes... complete with the mic to change their
voices.  My son says they are a union type group of them all over the
country that go to showings and activities of Stars Wars.  They stated their
costumes cost over a $1,000.



According to this article in the Washington Post, anyone with a uniform is technically  in violation of Lucasfilm copyright, but he evidently doesn't mind, as they seem to be  providing him with tons of free publicity:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8162-2002May12.html

I got my paper doll book of the Senator's outfits a couple of weeks ago.

Ann Wass --part1_99.26a34190.2a176ff7_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 08:53:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28092 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 08:53:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ICh8C07146; Sat, 18 May 2002 06:43:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ICh1K18401; Sat, 18 May 2002 06:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ICgtK18383 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 06:42:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bridgette.cornell.edu (syr-24-92-237-45.twcny.rr.com [24.92.237.45]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00371 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 08:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020518083749.00a9dca0@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Mari Stewart Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] knitted caps Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 08:43:58 -0400 Status: RO hi all... I've worked out a pattern (by some standards) for knitting the Flemish cap that is often see in Bruegel's peasant scenes. It is very similar to the cap that is photographed in Rutt's. At first I wasn't sure how it would work... but the fulling really brought out some of the more subtle features of the shape. If someone is interested in it, I'll be happy to post it. Mari oh, and i should have said my main area of interest is 1300 to 1700, not my specialization. Don't give me a keyboard after 8:00pm... I'm a pumpkin. Mari Stewart , Cornell University, Ithaca NY _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 09:14:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28152 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 09:14:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ID41C07786; Sat, 18 May 2002 07:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ID40K22371; Sat, 18 May 2002 07:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ID3rK22334 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 07:03:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-122-162-65.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.162.65] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 1793sG-0004ow-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 18 May 2002 14:03:52 +0100 Message-ID: <00be01c1fe6c$aed67d60$61b77ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517102625.00ae0bd0@blue.ucdavis.edu> <5.0.0.25.2.20020518032730.02e79580@mail.attbi.com> Subject: Re: admisitrative info & question about HCostume fabric sell or swap..Re: [h-cost] h-c swap and save, was MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 14:05:27 +0100 Status: RO Danielle, I'm not sure how much info I originally gave when signing up for the community, and since I agree with you that we should be open with each other I'd like to check my entry:-) Can you tell me how to do this? apologies for the ignorance... Stevie > > Amazingly enough Robin, I'm looking at my H-Costume email for the first > time since K'zoo and caught this. : ) We have 130 members on HCostume > fabric sell or swap... Oh, and I do advise people to use the invitation to > sign-up...it simplifies things enormously. However, I do ask that those of > you who do sign up that way, fill in all the info requested. This > community results in business transactions and signing-up as "unidentified" > doesn't show much faith in your fellows. At the will of this list - anyone > who signs up without an invitation and doesn't provide at least a name & > email address are declined. I've just noticed that there are a few people > already signed up through the invites who haven't given us their name > etc. So, what do all of you think? Should their membership be revoked if > they don't update their info? > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 11:27:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28586 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 11:27:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4IFH2C12504; Sat, 18 May 2002 09:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IFH1K22199; Sat, 18 May 2002 09:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from commzero.com ([199.246.107.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IFG6K21909 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 09:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.30] (HELO 192.168.1.51) by commzero.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 13926789 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 18 May 2002 11:13:20 -0400 Content-type: text/plain From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Subject: [h-cost] HCostume fabric sell or swap... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:09:48 -0400 Status: RO Well, it seems that everyone has forgotten about the H-costume fabric sell or swap. So, I thought I would send a remind out to all of you that it is still there... For those of you who are new, it is group set up for list members to sell or trade unwanted fabric or costumes to other list members. The group doesn't appear to have been used for awhile which is why people aren't getting notifications... Anyone have any fabric they need to part with? Anyone, Bueller, Bueller... ; ) Cheers, Danielle Your invitation to join: "HCostume fabric sell or swap..." TO JOIN, CLICK HERE: http://www.communityzero.com/hcostume/index.cfm?key=698-NGO After clicking on the above link you will see the community's welcome page. Click the 'JOIN THIS COMMUNITY' link found on the center of the welcome page. Your invitation key is: 698-NGO ---------------------------------------------------------------- If you cannot click on the link, cut and paste the Web address into the "Address" area of your Web browser. Note that the invitation key is NOT your user name. You must select your own user name and password when creating a new account. This is a private and interactive website for the group. Registration is free and your privacy will be respected. You will not receive e-mail SPAM after registration. If you experience problems using the above link, please ensure it was not split into two lines. If so, cut and paste the full Web address into the Web browser's "Address" area. This invitation was sent by Danielle Nunn-Weinberg. CommunityZero by Ramius Corporation ------------------------------------------------------------------ Build your own communities for free today! http://www.communityzero.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 15:11:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29618 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 15:11:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4IJ14C22169; Sat, 18 May 2002 13:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IJ11K17537; Sat, 18 May 2002 13:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IJ0GK17336 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 13:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWB00CFWM4EP6@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 18 May 2002 12:00:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitted caps In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20020518083749.00a9dca0@postoffice2.mail.cornel l.edu> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020518115928.00d91b30@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 11:59:48 -0700 Status: RO >I've worked out a pattern (by some standards) for knitting the Flemish cap >that is often see in Bruegel's peasant scenes. It is very similar to the >cap that is photographed in Rutt's. At first I wasn't sure how it would >work... but the fulling really brought out some of the more subtle >features of the shape. > >If someone is interested in it, I'll be happy to post it. Gosh, I'd like to see it. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 15:45:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29761 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 15:45:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4IJZ2C23759; Sat, 18 May 2002 13:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IJZ0K25508; Sat, 18 May 2002 13:35:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f167.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.167]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IJYDK25337 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 13:34:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 18 May 2002 12:34:08 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:34:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Art destroyed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2002 19:34:08.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA856DD0:01C1FEA2] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 12:34:08 -0700 Status: RO I was blown away when they showed the Sybilla. That was the model for my very first German dress! (Mine was in moss green with dusty blue brocade bands. What a horrible loss! MaggiRos >From: "michaela" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Art destroyed >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:22:46 +1200 > ><Sibylla von Cleves in her bridal attire as von Boehn called it.: >http://www.graphikmuseum-picasso-muenster.de/noflash/sammlung/sibylla_von_cl >eve_big.html>> > ><<**lets out a not inconsiderate string of expletives** Some people's >children- I tell you > >I'm pretty sure Maggie and few other folks will be as upset about the lost >of this one painting as I am >; (>> > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 15:48:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29770 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 15:48:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4IJc0C23846; Sat, 18 May 2002 13:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IJc0K26040; Sat, 18 May 2002 13:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f170.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.170]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IJbCK25888 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 13:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 18 May 2002 12:37:07 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:37:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: admisitrative info & question about HCostume fabric sell or swap..Re: [h-cost] h-c swap and save, was Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2002 19:37:07.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[6533C320:01C1FEA3] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 12:37:07 -0700 Status: RO I think that, as tyou say, and as we agreed once before, the swap n sell is a closed list. It's only us. People should provide their names. MaggiRos >From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: admisitrative info & question about HCostume fabric sell or >swap..Re: [h-cost] h-c swap and save, was >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 03:32:59 -0500 > >At 02:08 PM 5/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>On Fri, 17 May 2002, Gwyn Carnegie wrote: >> > >Why not use the H-Costume Swap and Sell site that Danielle created >> > >specifically for this purpose? That way your friends at H-Costume get >> > >first crack at all your goodies. If you have anything left over, then >> > >put it on eBay. >> >> > I've been to the site but no one seems to use it. I've had a few people >> > contact me and it sounds like ebay is the way to go. >> >>Don't let the low quantity of messages on the site throw you. When someone >>posts a new item, those of us who are signed up get a notice about it. If >>we're interested, we'll respond directly to you. >> >>I've sold nearly every item I've listed on the site, and fast. >> >>What's important is not the number of messages, but the number of people >>on the list. Danielle, do you know how many of us there are? >> >>--Robin > >Amazingly enough Robin, I'm looking at my H-Costume email for the first >time since K'zoo and caught this. : ) We have 130 members on HCostume >fabric sell or swap... Oh, and I do advise people to use the invitation to >sign-up...it simplifies things enormously. However, I do ask that those of >you who do sign up that way, fill in all the info requested. This >community results in business transactions and signing-up as "unidentified" >doesn't show much faith in your fellows. At the will of this list - anyone >who signs up without an invitation and doesn't provide at least a name & >email address are declined. I've just noticed that there are a few people >already signed up through the invites who haven't given us their name >etc. So, what do all of you think? Should their membership be revoked if >they don't update their info? > >Cheers, >Danielle > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 17:52:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30248 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:52:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ILg4C28149; Sat, 18 May 2002 15:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ILg1K23032; Sat, 18 May 2002 15:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ILf2K22852 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 15:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.147.ead5e27 (3957) for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:40:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <147.ead5e27.2a182462@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: parasols Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:40:50 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/10/02 11:19:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << I'm not sure why parasols went so far out of fashion but I'm sure the ugliness of some of the modern styles has a lot to do with it. Finding decent parasols or even frames to recover is a journey unto it's self. We have good reproductions of shoes, eyeglasses, gloves, hats, jewelry, even walking sticks but I'm not impressed with what I've seen in the parasol department. And when you do find a good one, it's hella scary expensive. Someone needs to fix that - just tell me who to write to >; ) >> Ah, try eBay! I got an antique parasol --guessing 1920, but not my period-- with a rosewood handle wrapped in sterling silver art deco vines for $20. (What years are art deco?) The fabric needs to be replaced, which is why it was so cheap, but ya pretty much have to use new fabric if you ever intend on open an antique parasol and actually using it anyway. I'm covering it with the same fabric as my gown for my wedding. This was a just-in-case-it-rains thing, but I've decided to keep it for gothdom.. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 18:15:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30374 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:15:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4IM51C29135; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IM50K28042; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IM4oK28005 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:04:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-122-120-66.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.120.66] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 179CJl-00011S-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 18 May 2002 23:04:49 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c1feb8$40221ea0$42787ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Chintz cotton- period and pattern suggestions, please Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 23:06:23 +0100 Status: RO Hi all, I bought some chintz cotton which, due to less than ideal storage conditions, is badly creased. OK, so I know I can't wash it, or steam iron it, so I anticipate a lengthy session with a warm iron... Once I've persuaded the fabric to see things my way I shall make it up in a pattern which justifies all the work, and the dry-cleaning bills of the future. The question is what? I've got five metres 160cm wide, and I hear the siren sound of leg-of-mutton sleeves calling me. Perhaps h-cost could come up with a much better idea or three? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 18:24:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30416 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:24:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4IMD2C29443; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IMD1K29739; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IMCRK29631 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWB00CVSV0PGI@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 18 May 2002 15:12:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: parasols In-reply-to: <147.ead5e27.2a182462@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020518145327.00ceea90@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 15:12:12 -0700 Status: RO What period are you doing? You can still get 1950's umbrellas, with metal rib tips, at thrift stores. 1890's walking parasols can be made from these if you recover them and extend the handles. Other period full-size parasols can be made the same way. For carriage parasols, look for wedding parasols or child parasols, at thrift stores. They're the right size to start with, and you can make new folding handles. I got a large size doll parasol, about 12 inches across. It's all bamboo. I added metal rib tips from an umbrella from a thrift store, made a cover from a border-print scarf, and will be adding a folding handle. I will paint the wood shiny black before sewing the cover on, so the end of the handle could be Fimo/Sculpey over a wood stick. I got a Dremmel lathe so I could make, among other things, bone parasol rib tips and bone crochet hooks. Usable bone can come from a co-operative butcher - tell them it's for a craft project - and you can have them rough cut it into pieces for you. Bone dust is toxic, so leave the grease in till you're finished, to catch the dust for you. If you don't want to work in real bone, get white plastic and seriously tea-dye it. (Dylon hot will dye plastic buttons.) Molded Fimo/Sculpey should also work for rib tips. Make a 2-piece mold of a rib tip from an existing parasol/umbrella. ><< I'm not sure why parasols went so far out of > fashion but I'm sure the ugliness of some of the modern styles has a lot to > do with it. Finding decent parasols or even frames to recover is a journey > unto it's self. We have good reproductions of shoes, eyeglasses, gloves, > hats, jewelry, even walking sticks but I'm not impressed with what I've > seen in the parasol department. And when you do find a good one, it's hella > scary expensive. Someone needs to fix that - just tell me who to write > to >; >) >> > >Ah, try eBay! I got an antique parasol --guessing 1920, but not my period-- >with a rosewood handle wrapped in sterling silver art deco vines for $20. >(What years are art deco?) The fabric needs to be replaced, which is why it >was so cheap, but ya pretty much have to use new fabric if you ever intend on >open an antique parasol and actually using it anyway. I'm covering it with >the same fabric as my gown for my wedding. This was a just-in-case-it-rains >thing, but I've decided to keep it for gothdom. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 18:26:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30425 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:26:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4IMG0C29540; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IMG0K00549; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IMFFK00398 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWB00CGVV5EM4@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 18 May 2002 15:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chintz cotton- period and pattern suggestions, please In-reply-to: <001101c1feb8$40221ea0$42787ad5@dan> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020518151343.00c28610@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 15:15:09 -0700 Status: RO >I bought some chintz cotton which, due to less than ideal storage >conditions, is badly creased. OK, so I know I can't wash it, or steam >iron it, so I anticipate a lengthy session with a warm iron... >Once I've persuaded the fabric to see things my way I shall make it up >in a pattern which justifies all the work, and the dry-cleaning bills >of the future. The question is what? >I've got five metres 160cm wide, and I hear the siren sound of >leg-of-mutton sleeves calling me. Perhaps h-cost could come up with a >much better idea or three? Does it look Georgian? (Do you do Georgian?) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 18:48:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30493 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:48:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4IMc1C00629; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IMc0K05352; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IMbjK05256 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:37:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bridgette.cornell.edu (syr-24-92-237-45.twcny.rr.com [24.92.237.45]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25525 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020518183825.00aab1f0@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Mari Stewart Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] knitted cap guide Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:38:45 -0400 Status: RO Hi all... I hope this will work for folks, as you can tell I this isn't so much an exact pattern as a set of guidelines. But hey, that's how I learned to knit... To see a photo of this cap you can look in Rutt's book "A History of Handknitting"... pg. 59. An even better idea of what these guidelines produce is the bagpiper's cap in Bruegel's "Peasant Wedding". And one of the servers in Bruegel's "Wedding Feast" is also wearing one, iirc. Materials I used were the same as reported in Rutt - a 2 ply yarn, worsted, and of course a set of double ended knitting needles. Now as to the question of guage... uhm. I just go til it fits, If I'm knitting tight on small needles thats alot of stitches, and if I'm knitting loose on big needles, that's not so many. However, the density of the knit you create, can greatly affect the fulling process, so for the caps I tend to knit tight on small needles. To make this cap I used the same method of construction as was used in the original in Rutt's book. From the top down, and really it seems the only sensible way to do it. I started from the center of the crown, by casting 8 stitches on to two needles. I connected the ends to form a "circle" then doubled the number of stitches to 16 by using a knit into the front and back of each existing stitch. (A note: this method for beginning is a personal preference, I find this adaptation on a Middle Eastern start easier to work than 8 stitches spread across 4 needles.) At this point I divided the 16 stitches evenly onto 4 needles. From here I worked in the round from the crown and increased every other round by 8 stitches. When I had a "circle" that was as large as the top of my head I stopped increasing. I knit straight down until I had the distance I desired, from the top of my head to my eyebrows. At this point I bound off 1/4 of the stitches to form the face opening. To keep this edge close to the brow when it is worn I decreased by 5 stitches evenly spaced along the bound edge. The method of the decreases used is the same as described in Rutt. (15) To form the back and sides of the cap I continued the stockinette stitch with alternating rows of knit and purl. To experiment with some fitting, as seen in the cap from the Museum of London, I placed some decreases in the back of the cap to draw it closer to the back of the head and neck. There was no pattern to the decreases. Once the desired length of the cap was reached in the back, from the top of the head to the nape of the neck, the bottom edge was bound off, but 30 stitches on each side of the bottom edge were reserved for the earflaps. Work the flaps one at a time. The earflaps were worked straight for half their length, then 1 stitch on each side of the earflap was decreased every knit row - for a total of 2 stitches decreased on every knit row. When the earflaps reached 4 stitches in width, the edge was bound off. Sufficient yarn was left to knit a cord at the bottom of the flap. Lastly, the cap was washed, fulled til the yarn drew together even more tightly, and blocked to the final shape. It gives you a pretty warm cap... haven't worn it in a downpour yet. Of course, using a non-worsted yarn, bigger needles, and a looser knit you can create a denser heavier cap in the fulling process, as long as you remember to provide the extra room in the knitting that you will lose in the fulling. Hope someone likes, and if you do try it, please let me know if the guidelines helped. Mari Mari Stewart, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 18:57:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30518 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:57:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4IMl2C01033; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IMl1K07441; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4IMkfK07359 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:46:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.25.27c28a30 (3957) for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:46:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <25.27c28a30.2a1833c9@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: Re: check out this partlet --LINK Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:46:33 EDT Status: RO Teddy writes: << It could be, purple satin with green and orange tartan guards > around the hem, edged in gold bobin lace laid over scarlet bands, >> Scarey! (And this from a goth...) LOL, Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 19:26:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30607 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:26:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ING1C02326; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ING0K14150; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4INFQK14044 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.53.16df1a0f (3957) for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <53.16df1a0f.2a183a83@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: art destroyed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:15:15 EDT Status: RO What shocks me is this woman's ability to miss the big picture. She only thought she was hurting her son, but she hurt all of us by robbing us of our history. Talk about being the center of your own universe... Or maybe I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt? Maybe she did realize it, and just didn't care? RIFTS calls that morality "Diabolical." --Gillian, who is very upset now _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 19:54:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30697 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:54:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4INi8C03626; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:44:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4INi0K20305; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4INhPK20161 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:43:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g4INhOK29632 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004f01c1fec5$d8313340$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Art destroyed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:43:37 -0400 Status: RO Greetings-- > I was blown away when they showed the Sybilla. That was the model for my > very first German dress! (Mine was in moss green with dusty blue brocade > bands. What a horrible loss! I did the Sybilla dress once, too, way back early in my costuming history (got my AoA in the SCA wearing that dress). Mine was also green--an emerald green, with the bands in a copper brocade. It's the only German I ever did, although I've always wanted to go back and do another one (especially now that I know a few more things). BTW, she's in this year's Medieval Woman calendar... Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 20:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30740 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 20:05:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4INt1C04257; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4INt1K22981; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4INsHK22793 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:54:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.30.270138d4 (3957) for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:54:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <30.270138d4.2a1843a0@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Stars Wars Costume Review Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:54:08 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/18/02 4:24:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << #2... and I don't want to give away to much....... the Queen's veil was stunningly beautiful. >> Someone told me that style is called a mantilla. Is that right? <> Probably the 501st Stormtrooper Division. There are many pictures of them from Dragoncon in Atlanta. They're awesome. <> Some of my swordsman friends put on a lightsaber duel for the fans after the premiere. It always draws a crowd -- and strangely enough, the cops weren't called. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 20:29:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30823 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 20:29:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4J0J1C05229; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J0J1K28603; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns.misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J0I6K28415 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:18:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12707 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:17:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3CE6F083.4B41732A@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <147.ead5e27.2a182462@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]What yrs/Art Deco? (was Re: parasols) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:23:32 -0700 Status: RO To Azelana- The Paris Exhibition that ushered in the "new" Art Deco style was held in 1925 and the influences continues through the 1930's. Some people stretch it into the 1940's, but that's a matter of personal perspective. Theresa Eacker Azelana@aol.com wrote: (massive pruning) > (What years are art deco?) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 21:04:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30932 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 21:04:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4J0s1C06306; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J0s0K06576; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J0rdK06458 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:53:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A7DE1F20114; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:54:54 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c1fecf$c3c900e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <30.270138d4.2a1843a0@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Stars Wars Costume Review X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 20:54:43 -0400 Status: RO My son said that they were part of the Stormtroopers group. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 21:10:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30956 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 21:10:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4J101C06549; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J100K07985; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:00:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J0xGK07794 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:59:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lindo (ip159.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.159]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4J0xEFt019783 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 20:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205190059.g4J0xEFt019783@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: names/pearls/velvet/glasses (WAS:level ofSCAcostuming) In-Reply-To: <000001c20e5e$fd5f6f80$514a7ad5@dan> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 20:57:34 -0400 Status: RO Cassandra wrote: (remarks snipped) And Stevie wrote: (remarks snipped) Ok, I don't think I'm the only person annoyed and bored by this exchange between you two -- PLEASE stop the argument and change the subject to something more productive! -- Mara Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 21:16:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30969 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 21:16:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4J162C06768; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J161K09203; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J15qK09163 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:05:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lindo (ip159.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.159]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4J15oFt020161 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 21:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205190105.g4J15oFt020161@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley In-Reply-To: <000001c20e5e$fd5f6f80$514a7ad5@dan> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Never mind! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 21:04:10 -0400 Status: RO Ok, never mind. My computer is being wierd and I'm getting messages long after they're sent. Sorry, folks. Anyway, on ANOTHER subject entirely... I have a new rule. My customers will NOT go fabric shopping without me. Actually, it's an old rule, but a new customer I've never worked with before just showed up for a design session/fitting, and arrived with his fabric already bought. I had no idea he was gonna go fabric shopping today, and would have told him not to if I'd known. I coulda saved him a _bundle_ by buying the stuff online. And I'm not sure he bought enough of each, so I need to finish drafting up the pattern this week so that I can let him know if he needs to go back to G Street and get more fabric. Sigh... Well, it's his money, right? I.e., "not my problem"! - Mara Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 21:43:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31056 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 21:43:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4J1X1C07789; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J1X0K16849; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J1WqK16791 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:32:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a236.in-tch.com [66.62.107.36]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4J1Jwv23732 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:19:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CE70202.2BB1AA1@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chintz cotton- period and pattern suggestions, please References: <001101c1feb8$40221ea0$42787ad5@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:38:10 -0600 Status: RO A caraco jacket from the 18th c.? I'd have to double-check my notes, but IIRC, some of them were made from? lined in? chintz cotton. Of course, all bets could be off depending on what color your fabric is, whether it has a pattern, etc. I admit distinct ignorance as to appropriate colors/patterns for chintz without checking my class notes, though :-). --Sue (18th c. is not normally "my" time period, [although I'm learning! ], but I did just take this nifty class on Caraco jackets through Penny's website.... Stevie Gamble wrote: > > Hi all, > > I bought some chintz cotton which, due to less than ideal storage > conditions, is badly creased. OK, so I know I can't wash it, or steam > iron it, so I anticipate a lengthy session with a warm iron... > Once I've persuaded the fabric to see things my way I shall make it up > in a pattern which justifies all the work, and the dry-cleaning bills > of the future. The question is what? > I've got five metres 160cm wide, and I hear the siren sound of > leg-of-mutton sleeves calling me. Perhaps h-cost could come up with a > much better idea or three? > > best wishes > Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 22:42:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31257 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 22:42:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4J2W2C09741; Sat, 18 May 2002 20:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J2W0K04292; Sat, 18 May 2002 20:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f314.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.189]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J2VKK04076 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 20:31:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:31:14 -0700 Received: from 68.6.212.114 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 May 2002 02:31:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.6.212.114] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2002 02:31:14.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F6A6790:01C1FEDD] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Star Wars Review Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 02:31:14 +0000 Status: RO I also saw Star Wars on opening day. I have had a couple people ask me how I liked it and the first thing out of my mouth each time is, "Well, the costumes were fantastic!!!" There was as much detail put into the costumes as the visual effects. So there was plenty of "eye candy" for both my husband (a digital artist) and me. I too noticed that many of the cloaks were based off the kinsale cloak pattern. I found that very interesting. I need to watch it again so I can pick up on all the details that I missed the first time! :) jessica _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 18 22:54:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31287 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 22:54:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4J2i0C10093; Sat, 18 May 2002 20:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J2i0K07297; Sat, 18 May 2002 20:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.141]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4J2h6K07141 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 20:43:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5510 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 02:43:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (63.92.133.133) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 19 May 2002 02:43:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3CE712DC.BF191848@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stars Wars Costume Review References: <99.26a34190.2a176ff7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 22:50:04 -0400 Status: RO Where can you find the Paper Doll book?? I would love to add it to my small collection. The gowns are stunning. Hmm a new twist for Ren wear? Di _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 00:20:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31589 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 00:20:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4J4A2C13254; Sat, 18 May 2002 22:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J4A1K25587; Sat, 18 May 2002 22:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J49aK25438 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 22:09:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A5CD35F0112; Sat, 18 May 2002 23:10:53 -0500 Message-ID: <00b901c1feeb$245674e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <99.26a34190.2a176ff7@aol.com> <3CE712DC.BF191848@inetone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stars Wars Costume Review X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:10:41 -0400 Status: RO I have a link on the front of my website to the Star Wars paper dolls books on the front of my website. Look near the bottom... there are links to Amazon.com . Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 00:51:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31747 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 00:51:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4J4f2C14612; Sat, 18 May 2002 22:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J4f1K02546; Sat, 18 May 2002 22:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.141]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4J4e2K02382 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 22:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5525 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 04:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (63.92.133.133) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 19 May 2002 04:40:01 -0000 Message-ID: <3CE72E44.48FDEAB4@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stars Wars Costume Review References: <99.26a34190.2a176ff7@aol.com> <3CE712DC.BF191848@inetone.net> <00b901c1feeb$245674e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:47:00 -0400 Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: > > I have a link on the front of my website to the Star Wars paper dolls books > on the front of my website. Look near the bottom... there are links to > Amazon.com . Thanks Penny. I have one coming now! Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 05:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA01583 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 05:56:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4J9k6C22970; Sun, 19 May 2002 03:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J9k1K27475; Sun, 19 May 2002 03:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J9j1K27285 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 03:45:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.107.11f9e224 (4216) for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 05:44:50 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <107.11f9e224.2a18ce12@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stars Wars Costume Review To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 05:44:50 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/18/2002 10:44:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dychap@inetone.net writes: << Where can you find the Paper Doll book?? >> I got mine at K-Mart. It's fun because it also includes some commentary. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 06:00:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01649 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 06:00:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4J9o1C23037; Sun, 19 May 2002 03:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J9o0K28148; Sun, 19 May 2002 03:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4J9n2K28002 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 03:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.198.72748c6 (4216) for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 05:48:54 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <198.72748c6.2a18cf06@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stars Wars Costume Review To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 05:48:54 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/18/2002 10:44:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dychap@inetone.net writes: << Hmm a new twist for Ren wear? >> Was it over 10 years ago that the LA County Museum of Art mounted Hollywood and History? I wanted to see it in Boston, but the best I could do was buy the book. Anyway, it includes films chronologically by the date in which they are set, and includes a section on the future. I believe the writer makes the point that SciFi often draws heavily on the classical: Greek, Roman (and Egyptian). So now we have what--Renaissance, Medieval? A new twist. Ann Wass Who has not seen the movie yet because she has been mounting a costume exhibit and Riversdale and then has to fly out for her nephew's high school graduation. Shameless plug--if you are in the DC area, come see the exhibit,"Dressing the Federal City"--4811 Riverdale Rd., Riverdale Park, MD annbwass@aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 08:52:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05675 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 08:52:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JCg2C27091; Sun, 19 May 2002 06:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JCg1K28935; Sun, 19 May 2002 06:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JCfgK28884 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 06:41:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.137.e540ddd (4069) for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 08:41:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <137.e540ddd.2a18f77d@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: clients fabric shopping without the seamstress (was: Never mind!) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 08:41:33 EDT Status: RO << I have a new rule. My customers will NOT go fabric shopping without me. Actually, it's an old rule...[snippage] I'm not sure he bought enough of each, so I need to finish drafting up the pattern this week so that I can let him know if he needs to go back to G Street and get more fabric. >> Mara, I sooo know what you mean! I charge $10/hr + materials cost, so I do allow clients to supply fabric if they wish, but under the following conditions: 1) The toile has passed the final fitting, so I can give them accurate yardage quotes. 2) We've discussed appropriate fabrics, weights, and fibre content -- including their washing preferences. 3) They seem to understand #2 well enough to not get it wrong anyway, AND provide a sample of their final choices for approval before buying. OR, they bring me with them to shop. I can't tell you how many of my friends have tried to save money by going for the really thin acetate satins (which are quite seethrough in lighter shades) and then I have to tell them they didn't save money because now we'll have to buy interfacings and full lining yardage. Mind you, all those people were LARPers who bought the fabric with the intentions of whipping something up themselves --before meeting me -- then realized they had no idea how and not enough time to learn. Most of my clients just have me go shopping alone and then bring swatches to them. I'm also lucky in that many give me "full creative license," because they tell me what I can actually make is much more they they can even imagine. It started happening when a close friend had me design something just for fun, then he wore it to a LARP and everyone asked how he'd come up with it. Now, even "work" is fun again! --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 09:35:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06929 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 09:35:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JDP1C28584; Sun, 19 May 2002 07:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JDP0K07160; Sun, 19 May 2002 07:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JDOaK07092 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 07:24:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.f4.1bbb4c62 (4069) for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 09:24:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: pomanders/thimble cages Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 09:24:26 EDT Status: RO I'm so excited! I just ordered my "pomander". Thanks for the link! I got the large thimble case pendant in antique gold. Is that the size you all have? How big is it? I can't believe it fit my budget AND looks _exactly_ like I wanted. I sooooooo happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And there's a slim chance it will even arrive for the big event on June 8th: Baronial Investiture! I'll be debuting my new gown then, so I'd really love to have it. If they were to offer the large size in silver, I'd buy it (next month) for my wedding dress. Maybe if the large turns out to be very big, then the small silver would be ok for my wedding... We'll see. BTW, I just finished my very first tall-crowned hat, and it looks marvelous! (Can you tell I'm in an exclamation point mood?) --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 10:41:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12651 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 10:41:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JEV1C01208; Sun, 19 May 2002 08:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JEV1K19440; Sun, 19 May 2002 08:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JEU9K19278 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 08:30:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31730 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 09:51:40 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] I'm coming to the NYC area Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 09:51:40 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO Several people on this list have asked me to "let them know" when I might be giving lectures on the East Coast. Below is a reposted announcement for a Costume Collegium sponsored by an SCA group in New Jersey, close to New York City. The date is Saturday, June 15, and I'll be the non-SCA guest speaker. I'll be giving a brief keynote address (really just opening remarks) and four hours of classes, with topics of the Gothic fitted dress, the Greenland gored gown, the sideless surcote, and the V-necked (Burgundian) gown. These will not be how-to sessions; they'll be overviews of the development of the fashion, with lots and lots of pictures and analysis. But I will be discussing construction issues along the way. I'll also try to make myself available for informal conversation during my off-hours. I just had a look at the website, and the schedule is just barely there, with the times wrong on some sessions, so watch for updates. I presume that non-SCA people can attend under the provisions for new/potential SCA members. You will probably have to dress in costume -- not that this is any problem for most h-cost members, but if it is, you might check with the event planner to see if that's required. If any h-cost listmembers are coming, please drop me a line. I'd love to put some faces with names, though I can pretty much guarantee I'll forget most faces five minutes later anyway (I have a real difficulty with faces). :-( --Robin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Greetings to you, good gentles, > > This announcement is being forwarded to several lists - so please > accept my sincere apologies if you receive this more than once. > > There will be a Costume Collegium on Saturday, June 15 at the Church > of the Savior Episcopal Church, 155 Morris Avenue, Denville, NJ 07834. > This is being held with the kind permission of the Barony of Settmour > Swamp. There will be approx. 20 classes dealing with various aspects > of costuming, including (but not limited to) clothing and accessories > from specific time periods, textile classes, hand-sewing techniques > and a round-table discussion. Robin Netherton* is scheduled to be our > Key-note speaker from 10:30-11:00am. There will be a 20 minute break > and the Class Schedule will resume until approx. 6:00 pm. > > There will be an A&S Display. Please bring items (finished or > works-in-progress) to be displayed. Documentation is encouraged. > Gentles are encouraged to bring tokens to bestow on those > items/projects that inspire them. > > The site will open at 9 am and close to all at 8 pm. > > Here is the basic website - the class schedule will be updated, so > please check back. More information is also available on the East > Kingdom website, under Events. > > http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/2269/ > > We are still looking for volunteers to teach a class or two on > clothing, accessories, textiles, knitting, tablet weaving or any other > such costuming topics. Please contact me (at muriel_vh@hotmail.com if > you are interested. > > We are looking forward to seeing you on Saturday, June 15. > > In Service, > Lady Muriel de Chimay > muriel_vh@hotmail.com > > *Robin Netherton is an independent scholar specializing in costume of > the Middle Ages. Since 1982, she has given lectures and workshops for > academic audiences, historical societies, reenactment groups, and > writers' organizations both here and abroad, on practical aspects of > period costume as well as on costume as an approach to social history, > art history, and literature. Her research focuses on the development > of the cut of European clothing in the 12th through 15th centuries, as > well as on the depiction and interpretation of clothing by artists and > historians, both medieval and modern. > > Since 1987, she has helped organize sessions on dress and textiles at > the International Congress on Medieval Studies, an interdisciplinary > academic conference sponsored every May by the Medieval Institute in > Kalamazoo, Michigan. > > Her recent article on a proposed cutting method for a 12th century > Norman gown, published in the _Costume Research Journal_, was > reprinted in the Winter 2002 _Tournaments Illuminated_. > > Ms. Netherton studied journalism and medieval English literature at > the University of Missouri and did graduate work in manuscript studies > and book arts at Cornell University and the University of Iowa. To > support her academic habit, she works as a freelance editor and > writer. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 11:32:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13963 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:32:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JFM1C02988; Sun, 19 May 2002 09:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JFM0K29550; Sun, 19 May 2002 09:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f231.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.231]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JFLVK29438 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 09:21:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 19 May 2002 08:21:26 -0700 Received: from 24.200.48.35 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:21:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Star Wars Review Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2002 15:21:26.0293 (UTC) FILETIME=[D798D450:01C1FF48] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:21:26 +0000 Status: RO >I too noticed that many of the cloaks were based off the kinsale cloak >pattern. Could someone tell me what the kinsale cloak pattern is? (URL? Book? Commercial pattern?) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 13:02:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16187 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:02:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JGr2C06296; Sun, 19 May 2002 10:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JGr0K18810; Sun, 19 May 2002 10:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JGqeK18706 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 10:52:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A8A4190216; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c1ff55$bc662b80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Star Wars Review X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:53:42 -0400 Status: RO You can see it by going to my Classroom (see url below) and go to the schedule for Sept. Click on the class. Liz Gerds, the patternmaker, is teaching a class on how to make it. She was a member of h-costume for several years. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 13:05:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16258 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:05:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JGu1C06444; Sun, 19 May 2002 10:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JGu1K19457; Sun, 19 May 2002 10:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JGtHK19295 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 10:55:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a216.in-tch.com [66.62.107.16]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4JGgFv10249 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 10:42:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CE7DA2B.E3EC989D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Star Wars Review References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 11:00:27 -0600 Status: RO If it's the one I'm thinking of (haven't yet seen the movie), it's a pattern put out by Folkwear. I bought the pattern many years ago from a local store, so I'm not sure who's still selling the patterns--the company's been sold a couple of times since I bought the pattern. If it's the one I've got, it's a rectangularly-based pattern, gathered/cartridge pleated into a neckline, with a sort-of collar that flops down over the shoulders a bit (in other words, it doesn't stand up like a shirt collar). Comes with this enormous optional hood (which buttons on) for the ladies.... I like mine, although the closure style (a clasp just about collar-bone height) does have a tendency to slide back and up to my throat, and want to choke me. That, however, may be due as much to the fact that I lined the cloak with a slippery coat satin as anything. All in all, makes a pretty good "basic cloak" for my purposes (non-specific SCA cloak). --Sue Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > >I too noticed that many of the cloaks were based off the kinsale cloak > >pattern. > > Could someone tell me what the kinsale cloak pattern is? (URL? Book? > Commercial pattern?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 13:11:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16383 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:11:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JH21C06756; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JH21K20777; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JH1KK20642 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:01:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AAAEFD01AC; Sun, 19 May 2002 12:02:38 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c1ff56$f3476fa0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <000401c1ff55$bc662b80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Star Wars Review X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:02:25 -0400 Status: RO That is the same one Sue. I think Liz told me that AlterYears carries it now or you can contact Liz directly though the Classroom. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 13:45:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16849 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:45:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JHZ2C08363; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JHZ0K28184; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:35:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay1.primushost.com (poseidon.shore.net [207.244.124.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JHYoK28149 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:34:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from (shell3.shore.net) [207.244.124.103] (exim) by relay1.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 179Ua1-00024c-00; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:34:49 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for h-costume@indra.com id 179Ua1-0007Ua-00; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:34:49 -0400 From: Katy Bishop To: In-Reply-To: <003201c1ff56$f3476fa0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Has Folkwear patterns changed hands again? This is the website I found from a Google search: http://www.earthguild.com/products/folkwear/fw1.htm With the Following text: FOLKWEAR PATTERNS As of May 2002, Folkwear is back where it belongs, in the hands of Kate Mathews, here in Asheville. All the patterns currently in print are ready to ship. Re-prints are underway, and will be available in 6 to 8 weeks. We are both pleased and relieved There is now no mention of Folkwear Patterns on the Lark Books site. Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 13:47:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16875 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:47:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JHb1C08453; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JHb0K28544; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JHabK28500 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:36:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g4JHcPi22501 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 19 May 2002 10:38:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200205191738.g4JHcPi22501@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns In-Reply-To: "from Katy Bishop at May 19, 2002 01:34:49 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 10:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO it's now at folkwear.com - > > Has Folkwear patterns changed hands again? This is the website I found > from a Google search: > > http://www.earthguild.com/products/folkwear/fw1.htm > > With the Following text: > > FOLKWEAR PATTERNS > As of May 2002, Folkwear is back where it belongs, in the hands of Kate > Mathews, here in Asheville. All the patterns currently in print are > ready to ship. Re-prints are underway, and will be available in 6 to 8 > weeks. We are both pleased and relieved > > There is now no mention of Folkwear Patterns on the Lark Books site. > > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 13:52:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16949 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:52:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JHg3C08628; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JHg2K29634; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4JHfrK29598 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:41:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 24044 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 17:41:52 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (208.201.224.26) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 19 May 2002 17:41:52 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-100-6.sonic.net [209.148.100.6]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g4JHfpi17160 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 10:41:51 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3CE7E4B4.3FA95C57@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 10:45:24 -0700 Status: RO The Eearthguild site looks like a retailer selling Folkwear patterns, rather than a manufacturer. The "contact us" street address for Folkwear on www.folkwear.com is the same as that for Lark Books on www.larkbooks.com --67 Broadway, Asheville, NC 28801. I've heard this rumor before. It seems like when Lark Books put up a Folkwear website with its own domain name, they confused people. Fran Grimble Katy Bishop wrote: > Has Folkwear patterns changed hands again? This is the website I found > from a Google search: > > http://www.earthguild.com/products/folkwear/fw1.htm > > With the Following text: > > FOLKWEAR PATTERNS > As of May 2002, Folkwear is back where it belongs, in the hands of Kate > Mathews, here in Asheville. All the patterns currently in print are > ready to ship. Re-prints are underway, and will be available in 6 to 8 > weeks. We are both pleased and relieved > > There is now no mention of Folkwear Patterns on the Lark Books site. --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 14:55:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17621 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:55:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JIk1C11253; Sun, 19 May 2002 12:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JIk0K15005; Sun, 19 May 2002 12:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from niobium.golden.net (niobium.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JIjdK14939 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 12:45:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (AS53-01-16.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.16]) by niobium.golden.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id g4JIjcA18547 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001401c1ff66$0607b500$1007d1d8@d7k7b6> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200205191743.g4JHh2K29867@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Re:Folkwear Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Five Rivers" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:49:43 -0400 Status: RO Folkwear has indeed changed hands again. As a dealer I found out a few weeks ago. It started as Folkwear, was sold to Taunton, was sold to Lark, was sold to Sterling, and now is owned by Kate Mathews, long-time general manger of Folkwear. She is reprinting all the patterns (some of them relatively new!) that Sterling had stupidly allowed to go out of print. It's business as usual, but better. So all of us who are dealers for Folkwear are now able to again depend upon reliable service, as well as look forward to the release of several new patterns. They are expecting to shrotly release a Turkish dancer three piece ensemble of entari gown, fitted vest, and easy-sew jacket based on 19th century Ottoman Empire costumes. Very much looking forward to getting this into our repetoire. As soon as it's available I'll announce it through our montly electronic newsletter, as well as post it on our website. All of Folkwear's line can be viewed and purchased through our secure, online catalogue. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 15:44:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18068 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:44:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JJY2C13258; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JJY0K26059; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from carbon (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JJXYK25936 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:33:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host213-1-163-250.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.1.163.250] helo=dan) by carbon with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 179WQu-0000mP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 19 May 2002 20:33:32 +0100 Message-ID: <008901c1ff6c$494209a0$43b001d5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020518151343.00c28610@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chintz cotton- period and pattern suggestions, please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 20:35:08 +0100 Status: RO Kayta wrote, re my query on a suitable use for chintz cotton > > Does it look Georgian? (Do you do Georgian?) AAArgh. Actually, it's perfectly plain sugar pink, and the aaaargh is because I should have thought of that immediately; I was raised on Georgette Heyer. I will go and take a look in the Museum of London tomorow to refresh my memory. Thanks for the suggestion; can you recomend a pattern? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 16:34:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18541 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:33:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JKO3C14997; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JKO1K06788; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JKNvK06770 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:23:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m115.in-tch.com [216.166.191.115]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4JKB3v16000 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CE80B19.E640CC7A@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chintz cotton- period and pattern suggestions, please References: <4.3.1.2.20020518151343.00c28610@mail.frys.com> <008901c1ff6c$494209a0$43b001d5@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:29:13 -0600 Status: RO Check out the patterns on JP Ryan's website.... www.jpryan.com Darn her website seems to be down right now, but you can also buy her patterns on this site: http://www.jastown.com/ --Sue (very happy client/student) Stevie Gamble wrote: > > Kayta wrote, re my query on a suitable use for chintz cotton > > > > > Does it look Georgian? (Do you do Georgian?) > > AAArgh. Actually, it's perfectly plain sugar pink, and the aaaargh is > because I should have thought of that immediately; I was raised on > Georgette Heyer. I will go and take a look in the Museum of London > tomorow to refresh my memory. > Thanks for the suggestion; can you recomend a pattern? > > best wishes > Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 16:37:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18588 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:37:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JKS1C15114; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JKS0K07610; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:28:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JKRHK07476 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:27:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m115.in-tch.com [216.166.191.115]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4JKEMv16472 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CE80BE2.8C7110FD@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Folkwear References: <200205191743.g4JHh2K29867@net.indra.com> <001401c1ff66$0607b500$1007d1d8@d7k7b6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:32:34 -0600 Status: RO Well, cool! Thanks for the update. I'd tried to find them, a while back, and couldn't find anything past Taunton, which knew had them at one point, but no longer had them on their website. Why does the line keep getting sold? Not profitable enough, or just one of those corporate bidness thangs? --sue Five Rivers wrote: > > Folkwear has indeed changed hands again. As a dealer I found out a few > weeks ago. It started as Folkwear, was sold to Taunton, was sold to Lark, > was sold to Sterling, and now is owned by Kate Mathews, long-time general > manger of Folkwear. She is reprinting all the patterns (some of them > relatively new!) that Sterling had stupidly allowed to go out of print. It's > business as usual, but better. So all of us who are dealers for Folkwear are > now able to again depend upon reliable service, as well as look forward to > the release of several new patterns. > > They are expecting to shrotly release a Turkish dancer three piece > ensemble of entari gown, fitted vest, and easy-sew jacket based on 19th > century Ottoman Empire costumes. Very much looking forward to getting this > into our repetoire. As soon as it's available I'll announce it through our > montly electronic newsletter, as well as post it on our website. > > All of Folkwear's line can be viewed and purchased through our secure, > online catalogue. > > Regards > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 16:49:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18689 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:49:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JKe2C15569; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JKe1K10169; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4JKdrK10135 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:39:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 2748 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 20:39:53 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (208.201.224.26) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 19 May 2002 20:39:53 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-100-6.sonic.net [209.148.100.6]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g4JKdqD24235 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:39:52 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3CE80E6D.BBCFA4F3@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Folkwear References: <200205191743.g4JHh2K29867@net.indra.com> <001401c1ff66$0607b500$1007d1d8@d7k7b6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:43:25 -0700 Status: RO Then why does Lark Books still have Folkwear on their website? Mysteries abound. Fran Five Rivers wrote: > Folkwear has indeed changed hands again. As a dealer I found out a few > weeks ago. It started as Folkwear, was sold to Taunton, was sold to Lark, > was sold to Sterling, and now is owned by Kate Mathews, long-time general > manger of Folkwear. --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 16:51:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18710 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:51:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JKf1C15610; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JKf1K10386; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JKeQK10262 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AE07710232; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:41:43 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c1ff75$8e5e8460$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200205191743.g4JHh2K29867@net.indra.com> <001401c1ff66$0607b500$1007d1d8@d7k7b6> <3CE80BE2.8C7110FD@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Folkwear X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:41:29 -0400 Status: RO Sue, Liz is coming out of lurking and explain it all. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 16:54:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18735 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:54:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JKi1C15737; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JKi0K11075; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f204.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.204]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JKhLK10906 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:43:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:43:16 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 May 2002 20:43:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2002 20:43:16.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD2FC140:01C1FF75] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:43:15 -0700 Status: RO What fabulous news! Now I don't suppose there's any chance of some of these patterns being revised to include larger sizes? An awful lot ogf them stop at a 14. Grading that up to a 20-22 is a lot of work to do well. Oh well, I can dream, can't I? MaggiRos >From: Katy Bishop >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns >Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:34:49 -0400 (EDT) > > >Has Folkwear patterns changed hands again? This is the website I found >from a Google search: > >http://www.earthguild.com/products/folkwear/fw1.htm > >With the Following text: > > FOLKWEAR PATTERNS >As of May 2002, Folkwear is back where it belongs, in the hands of Kate >Mathews, here in Asheville. All the patterns currently in print are >ready to ship. Re-prints are underway, and will be available in 6 to 8 >weeks. We are both pleased and relieved > >There is now no mention of Folkwear Patterns on the Lark Books site. > >Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian >vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 17:00:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18807 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:00:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JKo1C15960; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JKo0K12366; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4JKn5K12180 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 28631 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 19:45:23 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (208.201.224.26) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 19 May 2002 19:45:23 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-100-6.sonic.net [209.148.100.6]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g4JKn3Y30328 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:49:03 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3CE81094.9BD22CF8@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Folkwear References: <200205191743.g4JHh2K29867@net.indra.com> <001401c1ff66$0607b500$1007d1d8@d7k7b6> <3CE80E6D.BBCFA4F3@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:52:36 -0700 Status: RO It looks like Sterling bought Lark Books in 1999, and then presumably more recently decided to offload the Folkwear part of Lark. Lavolta Press wrote: > Then why does Lark Books still have Folkwear on their website? Mysteries > abound. > > Fran > > Five Rivers wrote: > > > Folkwear has indeed changed hands again. As a dealer I found out a few > > weeks ago. It started as Folkwear, was sold to Taunton, was sold to Lark, > > was sold to Sterling, and now is owned by Kate Mathews, long-time general > > manger of Folkwear. > --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 17:10:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18891 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:10:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JL13C16512; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JL12K15009; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JL0GK14806 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394C81C4A53 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 15789275E; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: Liz Gerds To: h-costume@indra.com X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.192.38] Message-Id: <20020519210016.15789275E@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4JL0GK14806 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Star Wars Costume Review Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LizGerds@filk.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I'm flattered Penny, that you thought the cloak Amadala wore was off of my pattern, but it isn't true. I have yet to see a costume in a Star Wars film I could identify as coming from a commercial pattern, especially since Lucas basically gives the costume folks an unlimited budget. (Of course, they also didn't get to see the shooting script until 3 weeks before filming started. ) While the cloak I think you are talking about is a full cloak with a voluminous hood (we are talking about the grey one she wears on Tatooine, right?) you can see that it has no collar, and a fitted shoulder and neck. The Kinsale Cloak needs the collar has the body of the cloak is pleated into it. Star Wars costumes tend to be elaborate and unique, with hints of many different ethnic influences. I’ve recreated many of the styles over the years, and they are always more complex than they seem at first look (rather like some historical styles). For example the ‘Bespin Fatigues’ worn by Luke in “The Empire Strikes Back” have 5 separate pieces in each sleeve, not counting the pocket or lining. Of course one of the problems is the way lighting and angles change the look of any costume. If you want to get a glimpse of the way they really look, try the ‘Art of…’ books or the “Storybook” publications. Or plan on coming to LA in the spring before the Academy Awards to catch the “Hollywood” exhibit at the Fashion Institute of Design and Merchandise Galley. They had the Episode 1 costumes on display back in 2000, so hopefully they’ll be able to get the Episode 2 costumes next year. If you want to see what they’ve displayed before, hop on over to www.fidm.com and follow the links to the gallery. As for those who want to recreate the costumes for they’re own use, don’t worry, Lucas is much less paranoid than Paramount is over the Star Trek stuff. He realizes that every person who want to dress up as a Jedi Knight is one more person likely to be spending their money on books and toys looking for those details. Liz Gerds long time Star Wars fan and costumer. _____________________________________________________________ www.Filk.com – The home of Science Fiction FOLK music. Check out our free E-mail service! _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 17:11:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18899 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:11:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JL1QC16573; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:01:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JL1PK15124; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:01:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JL0WK14888 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWD009N6MCTUQ@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:00:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chintz cotton- period and pattern suggestions, please In-reply-to: <008901c1ff6c$494209a0$43b001d5@dan> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020519135829.00c557b0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020518151343.00c28610@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:00:19 -0700 Status: RO > > Does it look Georgian? (Do you do Georgian?) > > >AAArgh. Actually, it's perfectly plain sugar pink, and the aaaargh is >because I should have thought of that immediately; I was raised on >Georgette Heyer. I will go and take a look in the Museum of London >tomorow to refresh my memory. >Thanks for the suggestion; can you recomend a pattern? No. Go to any one of the sites the Rev. War folks on this list have already recommended. Aside from Regency dancing, we mostly don't do 1700's-early 1800's European in California. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 17:11:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18905 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:11:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JL1NC16557; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:01:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JL1MK15096; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:01:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JL0UK14877 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:00:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWD009N6MCTUQ@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:00:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Star Wars Review In-reply-to: <3CE7DA2B.E3EC989D@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020519135316.00d57c50@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:56:30 -0700 Status: RO >I like mine, although the closure style (a clasp just about collar-bone >height) does have a tendency to slide back and up to my throat, and want >to choke me. That, however, may be due as much to the fact that I lined >the cloak with a slippery coat satin as anything. Put pieces of felt at your shoulders, over the satin lining, and the cloak won't tend to slip as much. >All in all, makes a pretty good "basic cloak" for my purposes >(non-specific SCA cloak). I don't know what Folkwear was using for their original, but I've seen more than one example of this type of cloak, all from the mid-1700's. It doesn't look like surviving examples of SCA-period cloaks I have seen, or contemporary illustrations either. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 17:29:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18970 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:29:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JLI1C17300; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JLI0K19000; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JLHtK18969 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:17:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta05.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E540C49207 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id D5D9836FA; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: Liz Gerds To: h-costume@indra.com X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.192.38] Message-Id: <20020519211754.D5D9836FA@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4JLHtK18969 Subject: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns and the Kinsale Cloak Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LizGerds@filk.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Folkwear Patterns was purchased a few years ago by Lark Publications after being for sale for some time and Lark has been looking to sell it. (They may have sold it recently, but I haven't heard about a sale being finalized.) The problem as I heard it on the grapevine is that the person who convinced Lark to get into the pattern business no longer works for them and it really doesn't fit with the rest of their products. If Kate Mathews has indeed bought the company, she has my best wishes that she can bring it back to its former glory, and continue to build on its foundation of well researched and well drafted patterns. My only cry would be to expand the sizing as quickly as possible beyond the 6-16 that so many of the patterns are in. The problem with getting a hold of Folkwear Patterns is that due to the length of time the company was originally up for sale, it lost most of its distribution channels, and Lark never worked to get them back. Additionally, many of the patterns were either out of print (since no printing was going on during the sale period) or part of the "Metropolitan Museum of Art Collection" which, due to the way the contract was written, didn't go with the sale of the copyright to Lark. Over the past few years, Lark has come out with new patterns, and re-issued the out-of-print patterns, but they have not aggressively gone after distribution channels. During the time when it looked like Folkwear was never going to find a new buyer (and therefore go out of print entirely) I created *my* Kinsale cloak pattern, starting with the Folkwear pattern as one of my resources. I created a second hood style and a second collar style, changed the interfacing into something that worked. Additionally, going back to the original historical style, the hood is stitched into the collar along with the body, not buttoned on as an accessory. The pattern is published by AlterYears in heavy paper and is available from them at www.AlterYears.com. If you are interested, I’m teaching a class for it at www.CostumeClassroom.com in the fall. Liz Gerds _____________________________________________________________ www.Filk.com – The home of Science Fiction FOLK music. Check out our free E-mail service! _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 18:34:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19242 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 18:33:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JMO3C20119; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JMO0K04383; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JMNJK04181 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:23:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a232.in-tch.com [66.62.107.32]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4JMAOv07470 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:10:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CE82712.AE596FF3@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Star Wars Review References: <4.3.1.2.20020519135316.00d57c50@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:28:34 -0600 Status: RO Nope, you're right....it doesn't. However, I bought the pattern and the fabric (actually a very nice navy-blue merino wool on sale) back in the days when I didn't really know better, and long before I really had any access to anyone else who knew any better. It does, however, fit within the rather flexible guidelines the SCA has for clothing. Someday, I will have more authentic outerwear for whatever clothing I'm wearing, but at the moment, this cloak does okay--I use it for just about everything I wear (pretty much all 15th and 16th c) except the pseudo-middle eastern stuff, for which I have a black wool aba. I suspect at some point, when I have something better, that I'll take the cloak apart and oh...make an 18th c. petticoat or something out of it. Or maybe one of those nifty jackets you sometimes see on the merchant women in 16th c. Flemish paintings....maybe both (there's a lot of fabric in that cloak! ) --Sue (in NW Montana, where it looks like our lovely, unseasonably warm (high 70s!) weekend is coming to a close with a perfectly seasonal thunderstorm! Ah, well...we can always use the rain, and anyways, it smells good! ;-) Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I don't know what Folkwear was using for their original, but I've seen more > than one example of this type of cloak, all from the mid-1700's. It > doesn't look like surviving examples of SCA-period cloaks I have seen, or > contemporary illustrations either. > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 18:39:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19265 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 18:39:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JMT1C20400; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JMT1K05521; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JMSfK05451 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:28:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A767480246; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:29:59 -0500 Message-ID: <007d01c1ff84$ab7f57e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020519135316.00d57c50@mail.frys.com> <3CE82712.AE596FF3@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Star Wars Review X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 18:29:41 -0400 Status: RO Sue, Are you talking about in the old days.... pre-internet days?????? Sorry, I'm not that old! <<>>>>> Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 19:13:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19432 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 19:13:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JN42C21705; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JN41K13467; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.141]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4JN3EK13306 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:03:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 2206 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 23:03:12 -0000 Received: from 206-105-173-121.inetone.net (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.121) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 19 May 2002 23:03:12 -0000 Message-ID: <3CE830D6.1228425@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stars Wars Costume Review References: <198.72748c6.2a18cf06@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 19:10:14 -0400 Status: RO AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/18/2002 10:44:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > dychap@inetone.net writes: > > << Hmm a new twist for Ren > wear? > >> > Was it over 10 years ago that the LA County Museum of Art mounted Hollywood > and History? I wanted to see it in Boston, but the best I could do was buy > the book. Anyway, it includes films chronologically by the date in which > they are set, and includes a section on the future. I believe the writer > makes the point that SciFi often draws heavily on the classical: Greek, Roman > (and Egyptian). So now we have what--Renaissance, Medieval? A new twist. > Ann Wass > Who has not seen the movie yet because she has been mounting a costume > exhibit and Riversdale and then has to fly out for her nephew's high school > graduation. > Shameless plug--if you are in the DC area, come see the exhibit,"Dressing the > Federal City"--4811 Riverdale Rd., Riverdale Park, MD > annbwass@aol.com Just returned from the Movie. I'm an old Star Wars Fan ( one never knows about the dark side) but this movie does wonders for the visual. Have to see it again so I can study all the costumes. I remain a Star Wars fan. I won't say anything to give away the good points. Each person must see it to form their own opinion. Now I will sit back and bite my nails till Part 3. Must also find this book. Thanks. Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 19:41:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19544 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 19:41:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4JNV2C22751; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JNV0K20049; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4JNUJK19853 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:30:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id QAA04952 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:49:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200205192349.QAA04952@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Star Wars Costume Review Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Liz Gerds wrote: [...] > While the cloak I think you are talking about is a full cloak with a >voluminous hood (we are talking about the grey one she wears on Tatooine, >right?) you can see that it has no collar, and a fitted shoulder and neck. >The Kinsale Cloak needs the collar has the body of the cloak is pleated into >it. I'm glad you as the designer spoke up. From what I can see of the closeup shots on the various costume sites and in the books I've seen round, there are no collars on any of the cloaks. And the hood isn't gathered at the crown the way your cloak design is. Also, at least in the case of Anakin's cloak, it appears to be bias-cut with a much more fitted shoulder, and the neck appears to be finished by rolling it over and sewing it down by hand. There haven't been any good shots of the neckline of Amadala's cloak to tell what they did for that one. The hoods appear to be more shaped than the Kinsdale Cloak one, simply because there isn't the gathering at the crown to provide the shape. Spent the last couple days raking through the various costume sites. The Padawan Guide seems to be the best for having multiple, clear shots of a given costume. http://www.padawansguide.com/ Also of interest is Amber's Jedi Meditation Chamber http://www.rebellegion.com/jedigarb/ Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 21:39:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20028 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 21:39:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4K1T2C27693; Sun, 19 May 2002 19:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K1T1K16749; Sun, 19 May 2002 19:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K1SRK16652 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 19:28:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-209.246.82.201.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([209.246.82.201] helo=earthlink.net) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 179byM-0000KN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 19 May 2002 18:28:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3CE85142.10107@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm coming to the NYC area References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:28:34 -0400 Status: RO Well, I'm definitely going to be there. I'm connected with the organizers. I look forward to seeing you. Anne Robin Netherton wrote: >Several people on this list have asked me to "let them know" when I might >be giving lectures on the East Coast. Below is a reposted announcement for >a Costume Collegium sponsored by an SCA group in New Jersey, close to New >York City. The date is Saturday, June 15, and I'll be the non-SCA guest >speaker. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 22:18:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20201 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 22:18:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4K261C29261; Sun, 19 May 2002 20:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K260K24685; Sun, 19 May 2002 20:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp5.arnet.com.ar (smtp5.arnet.com.ar [200.45.191.23]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4K252K24452 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 20:05:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 15019 invoked from network); 20 May 2002 02:03:34 -0000 Received: AntiBombing Version 0.08 by GCM Received: ThePolice Version 0.02 by GCM Received: from unknown (HELO ?200.45.135.42?) (200.45.135.42) by smtp5.arnet.com.ar with SMTP; 20 May 2002 02:03:34 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Alex Zito To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Please eliminate me from your mailing list. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 23:09:30 -0300 Status: RO A few weeks ago I entered your website dealing with costumes as I needed to do some research for a specific project on medieval costumes. Ever since I've been receiving messages regarding costumes from your site and am not really interested in receiving any more information. If possible, please eliminate me from your mailing list. Thank you, Alex. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 22:51:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20324 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 22:51:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4K2f2C01256; Sun, 19 May 2002 20:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K2f0K02845; Sun, 19 May 2002 20:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay2.primushost.com (relay2.primushost.com [207.244.125.21]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K2eWK02757 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 20:40:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from (shell3.shore.net) [207.244.124.103] (exim) by relay2.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 179d6l-0006nb-00; Sun, 19 May 2002 22:41:11 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for h-costume@indra.com id 179d67-00018e-00; Sun, 19 May 2002 22:40:31 -0400 From: Katy Bishop To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns and the Kinsale Cloak In-Reply-To: <20020519211754.D5D9836FA@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 22:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Looks like it just happened this month (the website mentions "as of May 2002"). Maybe Lark is just being slow in taking Folkwear.com off-line, or they have a stock of patterns to sell-off... Katy On Sun, 19 May 2002, Liz Gerds wrote: >Folkwear Patterns was purchased a few years ago by Lark Publications >after being for sale for some time and Lark has been looking to sell >it. (They may have sold it recently, but I haven't heard about a sale >being finalized.) The problem as I heard it on the grapevine is that >the person who convinced Lark to get into the pattern business no >longer works for them and it really doesn't fit with the rest of their >products. Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 23:46:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20825 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 23:46:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4K3Y2C03623; Sun, 19 May 2002 21:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K3Y1K15080; Sun, 19 May 2002 21:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K3XDK14878 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 21:33:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m156.in-tch.com [216.166.191.156]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4K3KIv06250 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 21:20:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CE86FB8.8259C3A1@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Star Wars Review References: <4.3.1.2.20020519135316.00d57c50@mail.frys.com> <3CE82712.AE596FF3@in-tch.com> <007d01c1ff84$ab7f57e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:38:32 -0600 Status: RO Hah! Run you can, but not hide, oh She With the Well-Visited Website! Besides, I'm not that old...well, mostly not that old , and I've only had internet access for two years, personally (couldn't afford the computer). It's really made a difference in what I've found, learned, researched, etc. --Sue, who *really, really* should be sewing on her 16th c. Italian shift, and NOT playing with her email..... Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Sue, > > Are you talking about in the old days.... pre-internet days?????? Sorry, > I'm not that old! <<>>>>> > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 19 23:58:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20868 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 23:58:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4K3m0C04320; Sun, 19 May 2002 21:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K3m0K18457; Sun, 19 May 2002 21:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K3lLK18276 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 21:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m156.in-tch.com [216.166.191.156]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4K3YPv09185 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 21:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CE87308.EDADA202@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: admisitrative info & question about HCostume fabric sell or swap..Re:[h-cost] h-c swap and save, was References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:52:40 -0600 Status: RO I agree with MaggiRos.... --Sue Maggie Secara wrote: > > I think that, as tyou say, and as we agreed once before, the swap n sell is > a closed list. It's only us. People should provide their names. > > MaggiRos > > >From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg > >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > >To: h-costume@indra.com > >Subject: admisitrative info & question about HCostume fabric sell or > >swap..Re: [h-cost] h-c swap and save, was > >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 03:32:59 -0500 > > > >At 02:08 PM 5/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >>On Fri, 17 May 2002, Gwyn Carnegie wrote: > >> > >Why not use the H-Costume Swap and Sell site that Danielle created > >> > >specifically for this purpose? That way your friends at H-Costume get > >> > >first crack at all your goodies. If you have anything left over, then > >> > >put it on eBay. > >> > >> > I've been to the site but no one seems to use it. I've had a few people > >> > contact me and it sounds like ebay is the way to go. > >> > >>Don't let the low quantity of messages on the site throw you. When someone > >>posts a new item, those of us who are signed up get a notice about it. If > >>we're interested, we'll respond directly to you. > >> > >>I've sold nearly every item I've listed on the site, and fast. > >> > >>What's important is not the number of messages, but the number of people > >>on the list. Danielle, do you know how many of us there are? > >> > >>--Robin > > > >Amazingly enough Robin, I'm looking at my H-Costume email for the first > >time since K'zoo and caught this. : ) We have 130 members on HCostume > >fabric sell or swap... Oh, and I do advise people to use the invitation to > >sign-up...it simplifies things enormously. However, I do ask that those of > >you who do sign up that way, fill in all the info requested. This > >community results in business transactions and signing-up as "unidentified" > >doesn't show much faith in your fellows. At the will of this list - anyone > >who signs up without an invitation and doesn't provide at least a name & > >email address are declined. I've just noticed that there are a few people > >already signed up through the invites who haven't given us their name > >etc. So, what do all of you think? Should their membership be revoked if > >they don't update their info? > > > >Cheers, > >Danielle > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 00:05:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20898 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 00:05:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4K3r1C04529; Sun, 19 May 2002 21:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K3r0K19573; Sun, 19 May 2002 21:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K3qKK19405 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 21:52:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (morr0646.gti.net [208.216.122.46]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id DC9F6145A68; Sun, 19 May 2002 23:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CE87314.D8667894@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-COST , 18cWoman <18cWoman@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Sorry to Bring this up here but... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 23:52:52 -0400 Status: RO Is anyone else here on the WhiteFox Trading Co mailing list? I received an odd message from TBBS.net mail saying: "We have detected that the attached email contained a virus. This email was sent to you by owners@whitefoxtrading.com containing srt_0[14].exe with a virus but the virus had been deleted." Did anyone else get this message? What is with the viruses these past few days?! Please respond to me off-list, I know this isn't appropriate list talk. Deb R. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 00:36:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21011 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 00:36:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4K4O1C06064; Sun, 19 May 2002 22:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K4O0K27644; Sun, 19 May 2002 22:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K4NAK27477 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 22:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AA791390216; Sun, 19 May 2002 23:24:25 -0500 Message-ID: <016501c1ffb6$0a9433a0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020519135316.00d57c50@mail.frys.com> <3CE82712.AE596FF3@in-tch.com> <007d01c1ff84$ab7f57e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3CE86FB8.8259C3A1@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Star Wars Review X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:23:05 -0400 Status: RO Sue, As you can tell I didn't sleep until noon today. Susan and I have been working on some new surprises for all to view. We are in creative mood! Susan in 1912 and I am in 1921. I think I got out of costuming for years because I didn't know others who shared my interest. When I went back to college in 1995, I discovered the internet and found all these wonderful people at h-costume! It is amazing what the internet has done for the costuming industry. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 00:37:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21016 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 00:37:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4K4P0C06093; Sun, 19 May 2002 22:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K4P0K27875; Sun, 19 May 2002 22:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K4OgK27827 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 22:24:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AAD7A00234; Sun, 19 May 2002 23:25:59 -0500 Message-ID: <016c01c1ffb6$41843a40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3CE87314.D8667894@gti.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorry to Bring this up here but... X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:24:38 -0400 Status: RO Deb, It sounds like that new virus that is going around playing tricks on you. It likes to pretend it is other people. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 01:41:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21294 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 01:41:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4K5V1C08660; Sun, 19 May 2002 23:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K5V0K13213; Sun, 19 May 2002 23:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K5U4K13006 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 23:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.15]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020520052958.WQSG19355.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 05:29:58 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020520003229.02ecd1e0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <3CE87308.EDADA202@in-tch.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: admisitrative info & question about HCostume fabric sell or swap. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:34:28 -0500 Status: RO In that case. Consider this official notice to the list that in 5 days, if the individuals who haven't disclosed their info, haven't changed that, their memberships will be terminated. Cheers, Danielle At 09:52 PM 5/19/2002 -0600, you wrote: >I agree with MaggiRos.... >--Sue > >Maggie Secara wrote: > > > > I think that, as tyou say, and as we agreed once before, the swap n sell is > > a closed list. It's only us. People should provide their names. > > > > MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 01:59:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21395 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 01:59:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4K5l1C09361; Sun, 19 May 2002 23:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K5l0K16495; Sun, 19 May 2002 23:47:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K5kVK16398 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 23:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DarlaKDavis@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.103.158c7745 (1322) for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 01:46:23 -0400 (EDT) From: DarlaKDavis@aol.com Message-ID: <103.158c7745.2a19e7af@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: admisitrative info & question about HCostume fabric sell or ... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10503 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 01:46:23 EDT Status: RO Sorry, I've been away for a couple of days. I went to the site and couldn't log in! Had a most frustrating time trying to sign up. Help!! Darla _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 02:13:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14648 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 02:13:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4K642C10046; Mon, 20 May 2002 00:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K641K19908; Mon, 20 May 2002 00:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K63QK19773 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 00:03:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.15]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020520060321.LJTH18801.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 06:03:21 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020520005943.02e88cd0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020428222237.00c3a3c0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4K63QK19773 Subject: [h-cost] a cool new book Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 01:07:39 -0500 Status: RO Greetings, I just wanted to tell people about this cool new book I got at Kalamazoo. http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/D/deserps_various.html It's called "The Various Styles of Clothing" by François Deserps and edited and translated by Sara Shannon. It is a facsimilie of a 1562 book written by Deserps. The English translation of the original title is "A Collection of the various styles of clothing which are presently worn in countries of Europe, Asia, Africa, and the savage islands, all realistically depicted." From the website: "Based on information Deserps claimed to have received from travelers about the garments worn by people from distant lands, this collection has been called the earliest book published in France on ethnography and costume. It was originally intended to be read by children, specifically the eight-year-old Henry of Navarre, the future King Henry IV. In it, clerics, aristocrats, soldiers, peasants, men, women, and even a few monsters are pictured in 121 woodcut illustrations, each accompanied by four lines of verse describing some aspect of the person or clothing portrayed." The images are actually colored (look kind of like hand-tinted old photos in terms of colors) and there are some VERY funky styles in there. For example: page 50 has a "French peasant woman" with a diagonal fastening on her bodice... Oh, and there are a couple of odd completely fictional critters in there too. : ) It's available through Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0816640130/qid%3D1021874530/103-6816135-7155837 Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 03:31:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17006 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 03:31:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4K7J2C12252; Mon, 20 May 2002 01:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K7J1K04912; Mon, 20 May 2002 01:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4K7IQK04760 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 01:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.15]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020520071820.KEPR24980.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 07:18:20 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020520021917.02e7a110@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: admisitrative info & question about HCostume fabric sell or swap..Re: [h-cost] h-c swap and save, was In-Reply-To: <00be01c1fe6c$aed67d60$61b77ad5@dan> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517102625.00ae0bd0@blue.ucdavis.edu> <5.0.0.25.2.20020518032730.02e79580@mail.attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 02:22:51 -0500 Status: RO Hi Stevie, Well, you start by signing in at www.communityzero.com You should get a page that has a row of small icons near the top of the page. "Edit my Profile" is the fourth one from the left or second from the right. That will bring you to your personal info page. Hopefully, that is what you're looking for. Cheers, Danielle At 02:05 PM 5/18/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Danielle, > >I'm not sure how much info I originally gave when signing up for the >community, and since I agree with you that we should be open with each >other I'd like to check my entry:-) >Can you tell me how to do this? > >apologies for the ignorance... >Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 11:13:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21442 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:13:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KF44C00195; Mon, 20 May 2002 09:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KF41K27512; Mon, 20 May 2002 09:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KF3dK27278 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 09:03:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (adsl-65-64-51-209.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net [65.64.51.209]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g4KF3cA148310 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:03:39 -0400 Message-ID: <00ff01c2000f$4f5b7b20$ea07fea9@pavilion> From: "Amanda Blackwolf" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020520003229.02ecd1e0@mail.attbi.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: admisitrative info & question about HCostume fabric sell or swap. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:57:34 -0500 Status: RO I'm new here, where is the HCostume fabric sell or swap? Amanda Blackwolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: admisitrative info & question about HCostume fabric sell or swap. > In that case. Consider this official notice to the list that in 5 days, if > the individuals who haven't disclosed their info, haven't changed that, > their memberships will be terminated. > > Cheers, > Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 12:12:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22844 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:12:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KG31C07593; Mon, 20 May 2002 10:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KG30K02824; Mon, 20 May 2002 10:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KG2qK02732 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 10:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.6.0) with ESMTP id g4KG2oH10183 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 09:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520083743.00a88870@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: parasols In-Reply-To: <147.ead5e27.2a182462@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3131921==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:58:22 -0700 Status: RO --=====================_3131921==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:40 PM 5/18/2002 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 5/10/02 11:19:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > ><< I'm not sure why parasols went so far out of > fashion but I'm sure the ugliness of some of the modern styles has a lot to > do with it. Finding decent parasols or even frames to recover is a journey > unto it's self. We have good reproductions of shoes, eyeglasses, gloves, > hats, jewelry, even walking sticks but I'm not impressed with what I've > seen in the parasol department. And when you do find a good one, it's hella > scary expensive. Someone needs to fix that - just tell me who to write > to >; >) >> > >Ah, try eBay! I got an antique parasol --guessing 1920, but not my period-- >with a rosewood handle wrapped in sterling silver art deco vines for $20. >(What years are art deco?) The fabric needs to be replaced, which is why it >was so cheap > >--Gillian EBay and I are good friends in this regard. In fact this last weekend I picked up another vintage 40" parasol with a guilloche enamel handle. My point was more that we have people making decent reproductions of almost everything but these and the really large 23" celluloid fans. When I have the choice, I use the reproduction and store / conserve the original. No moral judgements attached, I'm just weird that way. Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis --=====================_3131921==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 05:40 PM 5/18/2002 -0400, you wrote:
In a message dated 5/10/02 11:19:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
h-costume-request@indra.com writes:

<< I'm not sure why parasols went so far out of
 fashion but I'm sure the ugliness of some of the modern styles has a lot to
 do with it. Finding decent parasols or even frames to recover is a journey
 unto it's self. We have good reproductions of shoes, eyeglasses, gloves,
 hats, jewelry, even walking sticks but I'm not impressed with what I've
 seen in the parasol department. And when you do find a good one, it's hella
 scary expensive. Someone needs to fix that - just tell me who to write to >;
) >>

Ah, try eBay!  I got an antique parasol --guessing 1920, but not my period--
with a rosewood handle wrapped in sterling silver art deco vines for $20. 
(What years are art deco?)  The fabric needs to be replaced, which is why it
was so cheap

--Gillian

EBay and I are good friends in this regard. In fact this last weekend I picked up another vintage 40" parasol with a guilloche enamel handle. 

My point was more that we have people making decent reproductions of almost everything but these and the really large 23" celluloid fans. When I have the choice, I use the reproduction and store / conserve the original. No moral judgements attached, I'm just weird that way.

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California, Davis

--=====================_3131921==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 13:04:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24395 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 13:04:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KGs3C12977; Mon, 20 May 2002 10:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KGs1K02804; Mon, 20 May 2002 10:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14007.mail.yahoo.com (web14007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4KGrIK02397 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 10:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020520165318.92299.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.94.226] by web14007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2002 09:53:18 PDT From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Chair fashions & fabrics Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Hello list, I have a mid-19th c chair in need of a face lift. It's a lovely thing, but after 150 yrs, the fabric is shot. So is the stuffing. I've heard it's supposed to be stuffed with horsehair, but if you've been in James Madison's house (near Charlottesville, Virginia) you'll know that furniture stuffed with horsehair is a bit too.. um.. "aromatic" for a salon. If there's any handy URLs in your collection, I'd be much obliged if you'd share. On a similar note, does anyone have a recommendation for an upholsterer in the Silicon Valley area? --cin f.k.a. Cynthia in Tokyo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 13:31:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25059 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 13:31:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KHM1C15852; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KHM0K18884; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KHLqK18781 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:21:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4KHLoHx003370 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 13:21:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns and the Kinsale Cloak In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Speaking of the Kinsale Cloak -- I've never used the pattern myself, but it comes up in conversation on a few of the lists I'm on. Does anyone know what the historical basis of this cloak pattern is? I'm told that it's not quite accurate for 18th c. reenactors (not having used the pattern, I'm not sure what the problem is), and wondered where Folkwear got the pattern idea from. If it's appropriate for another period, it'd be good to know... The 18th c. women's cloaks for which I've seen diagrams are large half-circles, with gathers at the neckline where it attaches to the collar or hood. The hood is more or less rectangular and has 'fan' shaped gathers at the back, and may or may not have a drawstring to the hood, with the drawstrings tying at the top of the hood (which sounds awfully silly to me, so if I do make one I'll probably leave that off). Instead of a clasp at the neck, most seem to tie with silk or wool ties. Is the Folkwear pattern a half-circle, or a rectangle gathered to the collar or hood? Just curious! -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 13:50:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25570 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 13:50:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KHe3C17723; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KHe1K29235; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KHdXK28929 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:39:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p42.directcon.net [209.79.209.91]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g4KHdCTS006978; Mon, 20 May 2002 10:39:13 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020520094823.02fe8e60@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns and the Kinsale Cloak In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:48:23 -0700 Status: RO > >Is the Folkwear pattern a half-circle, or a rectangle gathered to the >collar or hood? No, it's a full circle, lined, with a double line of stitching through both layers about 4" in from the edge, through which drawstrings are run. The result is a fairly clumsy ruffled effect. The body is three panels of fabric, gathered into the neckline, which results in too much bulk at the neck, and not enought at the hem. All in all, it's one ugly garment, and I've never understood its popularity. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 14:13:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26172 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 14:13:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KI41C20481; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KI41K13451; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fnal.gov (heffalump.fnal.gov [131.225.9.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KI3sK13350 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:03:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena.fnal.gov ([131.225.122.154]) by smtp.fnal.gov (PMDF V6.0-24 #37519) with ESMTP id <0GWF00HQO8UIB0@smtp.fnal.gov> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 20 May 2002 13:03:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Deb Baddorf Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns and the Kinsale Cloak In-reply-to: X-Sender: baddorf@mail.inil.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020520130219.028557e0@mail.inil.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:03:53 -0500 Status: RO > >Is the Folkwear pattern a half-circle, or a rectangle gathered to the >collar or hood? Just curious! > >-- Mara Folkwear's is a rectangle, gathered to the collar. 3 rectangles (side front, back, side front) sewn together, but still a rectangle when finished. I have one that I wear mundanely (and get loads of compliments!). There is enough fabric to the front, that it does not pull back to my throat and choke me. I've had cloaks that do that, believe me! Deb Baddorf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 14:22:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26395 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 14:22:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KID3C21347; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KID1K18413; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from niobium.golden.net (niobium.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KICTK18025 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:12:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (AS53-01-137.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.137]) by niobium.golden.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id g4KICRc25095 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 14:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001701c2002a$89fbc440$8907d1d8@d7k7b6> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200205201802.g4KI25K12174@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Re:Folkwear patterns and the Kinsale Cloak Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Five Rivers" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:16:56 -0400 Status: RO The Folkwear Kinsale has a yoke to which the cloak panels are attached, as is the expansive hood. The Alter Years Kinsale is gathered at the neck with the huge hood gathered there as well. The latter is the more historically accurate of the two. As to how historically accurate the Kinsale is for 18th century wear, well, it is, but if we're splitting hairs here it's truthfully only accurate in a geographic sense, as in Ireland, with some evidence of Scots and British use. Was it used in North America? Don't know. Don't know of any extant examples. Would love to find out otherwise. If one is worried about historical accuracy I'd suggest sticking with a cloak such as the Kannik's Korner short cloak pattern. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 14:25:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26447 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 14:25:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KIF1C21563; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KIF1K19519; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f33.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KIENK19160 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:14:17 -0700 Received: from 207.137.181.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2002 18:14:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.137.181.62] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns and the Kinsale Cloak Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2002 18:14:17.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[27D9D950:01C2002A] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:14:17 -0700 Status: RO IIRC the cloak is pleated to the collar, which makes it look (to me, of course) like a pleated skirt with the seam left open and flung over your shoulders. "Look, mommy, I made a cape!" I also think the hood is very silly, but as we know, just because it's silly (or ugly) doesn't mean it isn't period. I just don't know what period. The pattern notes seem to say it's at least 16th century, but I always have a hard time with that one. I don't blame Liz for revising it! Nice work, Liz. Maggie >From: Kevin & Mara Riley >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns and the Kinsale Cloak >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:21:49 -0400 (EDT) > >Speaking of the Kinsale Cloak -- I've never used the pattern myself, but >it comes up in conversation on a few of the lists I'm on. Does anyone >know what the historical basis of this cloak pattern is? I'm told that >it's not quite accurate for 18th c. reenactors (not having used the >pattern, I'm not sure what the problem is), and wondered where >Folkwear got the pattern idea from. If it's appropriate for another >period, it'd be good to know... > >The 18th c. women's cloaks for which I've seen diagrams are large >half-circles, with gathers at the neckline where it attaches to the collar >or hood. The hood is more or less rectangular and has 'fan' shaped >gathers at the back, and may or may not have a drawstring to the hood, >with the drawstrings tying at the top of the hood (which sounds awfully >silly to me, so if I do make one I'll probably leave that off). Instead >of a clasp at the neck, most seem to tie with silk or wool ties. > >Is the Folkwear pattern a half-circle, or a rectangle gathered to the >collar or hood? Just curious! > >-- Mara > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 14:36:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26754 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 14:36:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KIR2C22805; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KIR1K26077; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KIQQK25756 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:26:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.192.246] (as-5-4.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.192.246]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g4KIQOF20228 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020520005943.02e88cd0@mail.attbi.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020520005943.02e88cd0@mail.attbi.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] a cool new book Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4KIQQK25756 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 07:54:15 -0700 Status: RO At 1:07 AM -0500 5/20/02, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: >Greetings, > >I just wanted to tell people about this cool new book I got at Kalamazoo. >http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/D/deserps_various.html > >It's called "The Various Styles of Clothing" by François Deserps and >edited and translated by Sara Shannon. >It is a facsimilie of a 1562 book written by Deserps. The English >translation of the original title is "A Collection of the various >styles of clothing which are presently worn in countries of Europe, >Asia, Africa, and the savage islands, all realistically depicted." > >From the website: >"Based on information Deserps claimed to have received from >travelers about the garments worn by people from distant lands, this >collection has been called the earliest book published in France on >ethnography and costume. It was originally intended to be read by >children, specifically the eight-year-old Henry of Navarre, the >future King Henry IV. In it, clerics, aristocrats, soldiers, >peasants, men, women, and even a few monsters are pictured in 121 >woodcut illustrations, each accompanied by four lines of verse >describing some aspect of the person or clothing portrayed." > >The images are actually colored (look kind of like hand-tinted old >photos in terms of colors) and there are some VERY funky styles in >there. For example: page 50 has a "French peasant woman" with a >diagonal fastening on her bodice... Oh, and there are a couple of >odd completely fictional critters in there too. : ) It's also a great book for thinking about the reliability of visual sources. The "monk of the sea" (a fishy creature draped in scaley and finny monk's robes) isn't likely to be mistaken by the researcher for a depiction of actual clothing. And people might be suspicious of the "woman of Asia" who looks suspiciously German in her dress. But one regularly sees the plates entitled "the savage of Scotland" and "the savage [Scottish] captain" presented in books on the history of Scottish costume without doubt or qualification as representing actual historic styles. Interestingly, there are two other plates identified as "the Scotsman" and "the Scotswoman" which I have never seen in Scottish costume surveys (quite possibly because they don't support the idea of Scottish costume that those books are trying to construct). Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 17:48:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31295 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:48:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KLd3C10131; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KLd0c23909; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KLcRc23590 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:38:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.40.1df8006e (3958) for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:38:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <40.1df8006e.2a1ac6ca@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] parasols and feathers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:38:18 EDT Status: RO Hey, I found the following link by accident, while looking for feather plumes.: http://www.aladdinslamp.net/costumes/parasols/parasols.html Maybe that will help someone? Anyway, I need rich plumes ASAP to make an Elizabethan feathered fan. Anyone got links? There were 2 styles at the time it seems: a) the always opened one with feathers glued to a pasteboard, and b) the brand-new folders. I'm making style a, if that helps you figure out where to link me. Thanks, Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 17:59:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31615 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:59:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KLo0C11322; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KLo0c00457; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KLn2c29698 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.6.0) with ESMTP id g4KLn0H11044 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 14:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520143900.00a94ea8@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_23903218==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Job Opening - UCD Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:48:57 -0700 Status: RO --=====================_23903218==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed While this is not in my dept., there are enough theatre folks here that hopefully someone will be happy to see this: UC Davis Job Opportunity - VL# 021057 Theatre Production Supervisor $2,725.00 - $4,633.33/Mo Final Filing Date 05-24-02 http://hr.ucdavis.edu/emp/jmvls/6739.htm Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis --=====================_23903218==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
While this is not in my dept., there are enough theatre folks here that hopefully someone will be happy to see this:

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--=====================_23903218==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 18:04:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31752 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 18:04:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KLs1C11791; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KLs1c02703; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14006.mail.yahoo.com (web14006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4KLr6c02246 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020520215306.49873.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.89.15] by web14006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2002 14:53:06 PDT From: Cin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Folkwear patterns and the Kinsale Cloak To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001701c2002a$89fbc440$8907d1d8@d7k7b6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --- Five Rivers wrote: > Was it used in North America? > Don't know. Don't know of any extant examples. Would love to find out > otherwise. If one is worried about historical accuracy I'd suggest sticking > with a cloak such as the Kannik's Korner short cloak pattern. For 18th c American recreation wear, I'd use Williamsburg's. There's the lovely book with patterns, construction info, fabric selection details and large detailed color pictures of the original in their collection. The book is Costume Closeup. One of my favorites. ===== --cin Cynthia hysteria95126@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 18:18:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32189 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 18:18:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KM94C18599; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KM92c10535; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12801.mail.yahoo.com (web12801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4KM8Dc10130 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:08:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020520220813.15259.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [161.114.1.183] by web12801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:08:13 PDT From: Truly Biggs Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <40.1df8006e.2a1ac6ca@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Try Ostriches Online or Zucker feathers Zucker has a pretty big minimum - so you might want to see if anyone else needs feathers. Truly --- Azelana@aol.com wrote: > Hey, I found the following link by accident, while looking for feather > plumes.: > > http://www.aladdinslamp.net/costumes/parasols/parasols.html > > Maybe that will help someone? Anyway, I need rich plumes ASAP to make > an > Elizabethan feathered fan. Anyone got links? There were 2 styles at > the > time it seems: a) the always opened one with feathers glued to a > pasteboard, > and b) the brand-new folders. I'm making style a, if that helps you > figure > out where to link me. > > Thanks, > Gillian > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 18:42:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00318 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 18:42:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KMW3C13629; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KMW1c22767; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f60.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KMVlc22613 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:31:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:31:42 -0700 Received: from 207.137.181.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2002 22:31:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.137.181.62] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2002 22:31:42.0353 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D94B810:01C2004E] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:31:42 -0700 Status: RO You wan tHollywood Fancy Feathers. Their web site is http://www.hollywoodfancyfeather.com/ If you don't want to order on-line, don't worry, you can't. :) Loook thru the online catalog then give them a call. All the info is on the site. No affiliation, they just happen to be around the corner from me. When Google kindly reminded me of that place, they also popped up a sidebar with this http://www.ostrichfeathers.com Apparently these guys are in Spain?! Prices are in U.S dollars. I don't know anything about them, just stumbled over their address. Feathers look nice, though :) Have fun! MaggiRos >From: Azelana@aol.com >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@net.indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] parasols and feathers >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:38:18 EDT > >Hey, I found the following link by accident, while looking for feather >plumes.: > >http://www.aladdinslamp.net/costumes/parasols/parasols.html > >Maybe that will help someone? Anyway, I need rich plumes ASAP to make an >Elizabethan feathered fan. Anyone got links? There were 2 styles at the >time it seems: a) the always opened one with feathers glued to a >pasteboard, >and b) the brand-new folders. I'm making style a, if that helps you figure >out where to link me. > >Thanks, >Gillian _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 18:42:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00329 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 18:42:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KMWSC13699; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:32:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KMWRc23042; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:32:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f60.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KMVlc22612 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 16:31:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 May 2002 15:31:42 -0700 Received: from 207.137.181.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2002 22:31:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.137.181.62] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2002 22:31:42.0353 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D94B810:01C2004E] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:31:42 -0700 Status: RO You wan tHollywood Fancy Feathers. Their web site is http://www.hollywoodfancyfeather.com/ If you don't want to order on-line, don't worry, you can't. :) Loook thru the online catalog then give them a call. All the info is on the site. No affiliation, they just happen to be around the corner from me. When Google kindly reminded me of that place, they also popped up a sidebar with this http://www.ostrichfeathers.com Apparently these guys are in Spain?! Prices are in U.S dollars. I don't know anything about them, just stumbled over their address. Feathers look nice, though :) Have fun! MaggiRos >From: Azelana@aol.com >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@net.indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] parasols and feathers >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:38:18 EDT > >Hey, I found the following link by accident, while looking for feather >plumes.: > >http://www.aladdinslamp.net/costumes/parasols/parasols.html > >Maybe that will help someone? Anyway, I need rich plumes ASAP to make an >Elizabethan feathered fan. Anyone got links? There were 2 styles at the >time it seems: a) the always opened one with feathers glued to a >pasteboard, >and b) the brand-new folders. I'm making style a, if that helps you figure >out where to link me. > >Thanks, >Gillian _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 19:41:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01840 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 19:41:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4KNV2C23258; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KNV0c19284; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4KNUQc19089 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:30:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g4KNUPn06978 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 19:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00f701c20056$5e227860$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: <3CE87314.D8667894@gti.net> <016c01c1ffb6$41843a40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorry to Bring this up here but... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:30:40 -0400 Status: RO Greetings-- > It sounds like that new virus that is going around playing tricks on you. > It likes to pretend it is other people. One virus that does this is the KLEZ.H virus. Here's a link... http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@mm.html Check down in the "Notes" section. What it does is changes the "from" line so that the poor infected soul gets none of those bounceback messages when another system detects a virus and notifies the sender, and makes some third person (who's probably in the sender's address book) think they're infected. If your antivirus is up to date and doesn't find anything, you're almost certainly OK. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 20:10:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02552 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 20:10:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4L011C12001; Mon, 20 May 2002 18:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4L010c29907; Mon, 20 May 2002 18:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4L00Kc29685 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 18:00:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m87.in-tch.com [216.166.191.87]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4KNlNv05162 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CE98F53.86FD0E87@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns and the Kinsale Cloak References: <3.0.6.32.20020520094823.02fe8e60@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:05:39 -0600 Status: RO Uh, Margo, I think they meant the *cloak,* not the hood, which is, indeed, a big half-circle. The cloak is a big rectangle. --sue Margo Anderson wrote: > > > > >Is the Folkwear pattern a half-circle, or a rectangle gathered to the > >collar or hood? > > No, it's a full circle, lined, with a double line of stitching through both > layers about 4" in from the edge, through which drawstrings are run. The > result is a fairly clumsy ruffled effect. The body is three panels of > fabric, gathered into the neckline, which results in too much bulk at the > neck, and not enought at the hem. All in all, it's one ugly garment, and > I've never understood its popularity. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 20:59:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03696 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 20:59:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4L0o2C18790; Mon, 20 May 2002 18:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4L0o0c15308; Mon, 20 May 2002 18:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4L0nqc15268 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 18:49:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.114.11ab2306 (4362) for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 20:49:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <114.11ab2306.2a1af3a6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_114.11ab2306.2a1af3a6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:49:42 EDT Status: RO --part1_114.11ab2306.2a1af3a6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember when doing some Cavalier hats that we took 2 plumes, placed them on top of one another and hand sewed...tacked...them together as one. This gives you a lush full plume. I suggest you get twice as many as you think you'll need and do this. If I remember the look of the fans, you'll want smaller feathers, not long sweeping ones. Have fun! --part1_114.11ab2306.2a1af3a6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember when doing some Cavalier hats that we took 2 plumes, placed them on top of one another and hand sewed...tacked...them together as one. This gives you a lush full plume. I suggest you get twice as many as you think you'll need and do this. If I remember the look of the fans, you'll want smaller feathers, not long sweeping ones.

Have fun! --part1_114.11ab2306.2a1af3a6_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 22:48:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04300 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 22:48:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4L2Y6C25084; Mon, 20 May 2002 20:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4L2Y0c17032; Mon, 20 May 2002 20:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4L2XLc16818 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 20:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWF005ROWFDMR@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 20 May 2002 19:33:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers In-reply-to: <114.11ab2306.2a1af3a6@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020520193232.00d36790@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:33:06 -0700 Status: RO >I remember when doing some Cavalier hats that we took 2 plumes, placed >them on top of one another and hand sewed...tacked...them together as one. >This gives you a lush full plume. I suggest you get twice as many as you >think you'll need and do this. If I remember the look of the fans, you'll >want smaller feathers, not long sweeping ones. That technique goes at least as far back as the Renaissance. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 20 23:52:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04627 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 23:52:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4L3h2C29007; Mon, 20 May 2002 21:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4L3h0c06596; Mon, 20 May 2002 21:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.23]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4L3gWc06477 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 21:42:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.189.36.255] (HELO [192.168.1.105]) by dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 48617502 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 20 May 2002 23:42:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001701c2002a$89fbc440$8907d1d8@d7k7b6> References: <200205201802.g4KI25K12174@net.indra.com> <001701c2002a$89fbc440$8907d1d8@d7k7b6> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: [h-cost] Re:Folkwear patterns and the Kinsale Cloak Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:42:38 -0400 Status: RO The Folkwear Kinsale pattern that I have, which is a very old one, does not attach the cloak panels (3 rectangles) to a yoke- there's no yoke on it. They are gathered, or pleated (or cartridge pleated) into/onto the neck. I'll add that gathering them is not easy at all when velveteen is used, and I had much better results finishing the neck/collar, finishing the top of the cloak, then cartridge pleating the one to the other. Looks better, too. I've made 2 of them now, both of lined velveteen. I agree the hood is rather silly and awkward, but it can look nice- though not opened and over the shoulders as a capelet- that looks really dumb to my eyes, especially since the lining is all exposed. Although I suppose if one wanted to do that, and used the button-on hood, one could button it on upside-down from the usual for that purpose and expose the outside instead... I don't remember there being an optional yoke- there may be, or maybe it's on newer editions than mine. There was certainly a non-yoke version, though, since that's the one I've made twice now. -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 03:32:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00656 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 03:32:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4L7N3C07834; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4L7N1c01830; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4L7Mvc01810 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:22:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020521072257.74987.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2002 08:22:57 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020520193232.00d36790@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:22:57 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >I remember when doing some Cavalier hats that we took 2 plumes, placed > >them on top of one another and hand sewed...tacked...them together as one. > >This gives you a lush full plume. I suggest you get twice as many as you > >think you'll need and do this. If I remember the look of the fans, you'll > >want smaller feathers, not long sweeping ones. > > That technique goes at least as far back as the Renaissance. > > > Kayta Not only that, make sure you get the male strich feathers, not the female ones. The male ones are the proper ones, the female ones look thin and ratty. You can find here all you ever need: http://www.ostrichesonline.com/ Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 03:46:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00702 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 03:46:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4L7a1C08151; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4L7a0c04888; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4L7Zuc04867 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWG004R6AFV2Q@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 May 2002 00:35:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers In-reply-to: <20020521072257.74987.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020521002902.00ccb940@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020520193232.00d36790@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 00:30:07 -0700 Status: RO > > >I remember when doing some Cavalier hats that we took 2 plumes, placed > > >them on top of one another and hand sewed...tacked...them together as > one. > > >This gives you a lush full plume. I suggest you get twice as many as you > > >think you'll need and do this. If I remember the look of the fans, you'll > > >want smaller feathers, not long sweeping ones. > > > > That technique goes at least as far back as the Renaissance. > > > > > > Kayta > >Not only that, make sure you get the male strich feathers, not the female >ones. >The male ones are the proper ones, the female ones look thin and ratty. >You can >find here all you ever need: > >http://www.ostrichesonline.com/ Or I can go to the ostrich farm an hour south of here, or the one half an hour east of here. I live in California. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 03:51:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00711 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 03:51:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4L7g1C08302; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4L7g1c06108; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4L7fFc05986 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:41:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020521074115.25796.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2002 08:41:15 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020521002902.00ccb940@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:41:15 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >Not only that, make sure you get the male strich feathers, not the female > >ones. > >The male ones are the proper ones, the female ones look thin and ratty. > >You can > >find here all you ever need: > > > >http://www.ostrichesonline.com/ > > Or I can go to the ostrich farm an hour south of here, or the one half an > hour east of here. I live in California. We've got a farm here too (not only one) but I hate shopping! I'm the perfect Internet shopping cient. :-)) Here's the UK web site: http://www.ostrichesonline.co.uk That reminds me, I have to get some, Ben's feathered hat got so awfully rained upon the second time this weekend that it does look ratty by now. We were in Cumbria.. the lake district is beautiful but oh my does it RAIN and STORM! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 05:06:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00944 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 05:06:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4L8v2C10457; Tue, 21 May 2002 02:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4L8v0c21189; Tue, 21 May 2002 02:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4L8uuc21155 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 02:56:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWG00C7ME6VFK@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:56:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers In-reply-to: <20020521074115.25796.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020521015410.00cf3630@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020521002902.00ccb940@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 01:56:50 -0700 Status: RO > > Or I can go to the ostrich farm an hour south of here, or the one half an > > hour east of here. I live in California. > >We've got a farm here too (not only one) When I visited Australia, almost 20 years ago, we were told we couldn't bring Ostrich feathers in because, since apparently they didn't ranch them, they were considered endangered, or indistinguishable from real endangered. Do they ranch ostriches in Australia nowadays? BTW, there's a restaurant in Davis, CA, where you can get ostrich burgers. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 08:39:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06684 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 08:39:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LCT1C16828; Tue, 21 May 2002 06:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LCT0c02984; Tue, 21 May 2002 06:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LCSwc02973 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 06:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a262.in-tch.com [66.62.107.62]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4LCG1v24555 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 06:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CEA3EC9.B1DB1C73@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers References: <4.3.1.2.20020520193232.00d36790@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020521002902.00ccb940@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 06:34:17 -0600 Status: RO Oh, fine! Be that way.... --Sue, who has to hang her ostrich feathers for her (future, Cranach) hat from the ceiling so the cats don't get them.... Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > Or I can go to the ostrich farm an hour south of here, or the one half an > hour east of here. I live in California. > > Kayta _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 09:35:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07206 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:35:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LDQ3C19464; Tue, 21 May 2002 07:26:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LDQ0c18459; Tue, 21 May 2002 07:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LDPGc18279 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 07:25:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4LDPEHx021347 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:25:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers In-Reply-To: <20020521072257.74987.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks, Nicole, I've been looking for a good site to order ostrich feathers! (No ostrich farms around here, that I know of...) Speaking of which, does anyone know when pheasants were introduced into Europe? Someone told me they were an import from China, which means that one shouldn't use pheasant feathers in one's headgear until a relatively late date, but he didn't know the date when pheasants were introduced. -- Mara On Tue, 21 May 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > Not only that, make sure you get the male strich feathers, not the female ones. > The male ones are the proper ones, the female ones look thin and ratty. You can > find here all you ever need: > > http://www.ostrichesonline.com/ > > Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 09:49:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07230 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:48:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LDd1C20309; Tue, 21 May 2002 07:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LDd0c22808; Tue, 21 May 2002 07:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.0.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LDc3c22522 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 07:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id A1ECC1E2270; Tue, 21 May 2002 14:37:59 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] pheasant feathers From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020521133759.A1ECC1E2270@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:37:59 BST Status: RO Kevin & Mara Riley wrote : > Speaking of which, does anyone know when pheasants were introduced into > Europe? Someone told me they were an import from China, which means that > one shouldn't use pheasant feathers in one's headgear until a relatively > late date, but he didn't know the date when pheasants were introduced. A quick web-search suggests the Romans introduced them to western Europe. Some of the Cooks lists may know more. Of course, this will only tell us that they existed and were eaten, not that their feathers were commonly worn, but it's a step forwards. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 10:43:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08018 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:43:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LEY3C24390; Tue, 21 May 2002 08:34:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LEY0c14057; Tue, 21 May 2002 08:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu (tecoma.mccc.edu [198.133.170.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LEXkc13975 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 08:33:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mccc.edu (th119-1.mccc.edu [207.8.248.196]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g4LEXdi28437 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CEA5A85.9411CDEC@mccc.edu> From: Kate Pinner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <20020521131538.28346.qmail@uwdvg001.cms.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] OT-bubble wrap dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:32:37 -0400 Status: RO Just for giggles-- my daughter in the bubble wrap skirt she wore to the prom. I made it like an overskirt - it laced at the back with 3 grommets per side, then was open the rest of the way down so she could split it to sit down and not pop the bubbles ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Image] [Image] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 11:23:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08692 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 11:23:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LFD1C28621; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LFD0c04163; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fnal.gov (heffalump.fnal.gov [131.225.9.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LFC6c03647 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:12:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena.fnal.gov ([131.225.122.154]) by smtp.fnal.gov (PMDF V6.0-24 #37519) with ESMTP id <0GWG0030YVK5S4@smtp.fnal.gov> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:12:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Deb Baddorf Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns and the Kinsale Cloak In-reply-to: <3CE98F53.86FD0E87@in-tch.com> X-Sender: baddorf@mail.inil.com To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521100721.0284bfd8@mail.inil.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3.0.6.32.20020520094823.02fe8e60@pop.directcon.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:12:05 -0500 Status: RO > > [hood is] a full circle, lined, with a double line of stitching through > both > > layers about 4" in from the edge, through which drawstrings are run. The > > result is a fairly clumsy ruffled effect. It looks great laying back over the shoulders (and provides a 2nd layer of warmth there). Agreed, it is awkward if you want to USE the hood. I don't. I only pull it up to show people, or if I get caught in the rain. But I love the look down over the shoulders. It shows off my wine colored lining. >The body is three panels of > > fabric, gathered into the neckline, which results in too much bulk at the > > neck, and not enought at the hem. All in all, it's one ugly garment, and > > I've never understood its popularity. > > > > Margo > > "One Tough Costumer" LOL!! I made one, and I adore it!! It helps that I used a lightweight wool/poly blend. It's "suit weight". It makes a great spring/fall cloak, and I *always* get comments on it. So --- to each her own! I only recently pulled the pics off my web page (when they started enforcing a size quota!) Mebbe I should find them, and put them back up.... Deb Baddorf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 11:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08720 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 11:24:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LFF3C28804; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:15:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LFF2c05402; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:15:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fnal.gov (heffalump.fnal.gov [131.225.9.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LFEvc05337 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:14:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena.fnal.gov ([131.225.122.154]) by smtp.fnal.gov (PMDF V6.0-24 #37519) with ESMTP id <0GWG007PJVOWV8@smtp.fnal.gov> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:14:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Deb Baddorf Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Folkwear patterns and the Kinsale Cloak In-reply-to: X-Sender: baddorf@mail.inil.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521101236.00a41ce0@mail.inil.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <001701c2002a$89fbc440$8907d1d8@d7k7b6> <200205201802.g4KI25K12174@net.indra.com> <001701c2002a$89fbc440$8907d1d8@d7k7b6> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:14:57 -0500 Status: RO At 11:42 PM 5/20/2002 -0400, sustre@pixelations.com wrote: >The Folkwear Kinsale pattern that I have, which is a very old one, does >not attach the cloak panels (3 rectangles) to a yoke- there's no yoke on >it...... >I don't remember there being an optional yoke- there may be, or maybe it's >on newer editions than mine. There was certainly a non-yoke version, >though, since that's the one I've made twice now. > >-Amanda I agree. I think what people are seeing as a yoke, when they look at Folkwear's online pics ....... it really the COLLAR. It is a fairly large collar, and lays down over the cloak itself. But no yoke. (caveat: I bought my pattern 18 years ago or so. But the cover pic is the same.) And I ignore the "button on hood" directions, and just sewed the hood into the collar, along with the body of the cloak. It worked, since I used "suitweight" wool, and poly-silk lining. Deb Baddorf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 11:58:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09213 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 11:58:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LFn3C02785; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LFn1c25939; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LFmBc25454 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:48:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta05.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F0147F3E for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 08:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 2CCC436F9; Tue, 21 May 2002 08:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: Liz Gerds To: h-costume@indra.com X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.101.182] Message-Id: <20020521154811.2CCC436F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4LFmBc25454 Subject: [h-cost] Kinsale Cloak origin Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LizGerds@filk.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I’ve never been able to track down a definitive origin of the Kinsale Cloak. While it is reminiscent of 18th century cloaks, the hood is just too off from all the 18th century cloaks I’ve ever seen to originate during that period. My theory is that it is a Victorian/Edwardian garment designed to look “Irish” created during the Celtic resurgence in the late 1800s/early 1900s. The hood/shoulder cape is just too decorative to have been created as a practical item. Regardless of its origin, it is a good cloak for general use. Since my class at www.costumeclassroom.com was listed, I’ve been contacted by a woman living in Italy who said her grandmother used to stitch Kinsale Cloaks for others, and there was a family story that she was one of the ones who helped create the style. She was going to check with her mother and get back to me but I haven’t heard from her since. If you don’t use thin fabrics the cloak does get rather bulky and wearing one can make you look like a potato. However, all that fabric on the shoulders helps hold it in place and keep you warm. If you wanted something without the bulk in the shoulders, you could easily modify the body of the cloak, or just use a half-circle with a lightly gathered neckline, and still keep the collar and hood. Liz Gerds PS Thanks for the compliment Maggie! _____________________________________________________________ www.Filk.com – The home of Science Fiction FOLK music. Check out our free E-mail service! _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 12:06:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09331 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:06:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LFv1C03638; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LFv0c02510; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LFu4c01674 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA811C45AC for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 08:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 73F8436F9; Tue, 21 May 2002 08:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: Liz Gerds To: h-costume@indra.com X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.101.176] Message-Id: <20020521155604.73F8436F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4LFu4c01674 Subject: [h-cost] Kinsale Cloak hood Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LizGerds@filk.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Oh, I forgot to mention that the alternate hood and collar in my Kinsale Cloak pattern (the AlterYears one)are based on an illustration from "Dress in Ireland": 'The Irish Hood' by Daniel Maclise, dated 1837. Liz Gerds _____________________________________________________________ www.Filk.com – The home of Science Fiction FOLK music. Check out our free E-mail service! _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 12:11:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09400 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:11:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LG17C04133; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:01:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LG16c06187; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4LG0Qc05383 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 7842 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 16:00:25 -0000 Received: from tempest.sonic.net (208.201.224.25) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 21 May 2002 16:00:25 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-100-92.sonic.net [209.148.100.92]) by tempest.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g4LG0OG03898 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:00:25 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3CEA6FEE.215356EA@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kinsale Cloak origin References: <20020521154811.2CCC436F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:03:59 -0700 Status: RO > I’ve never been able to track down a definitive origin of the Kinsale Cloak. Many years ago, before Folkwear ever published the Kinsdale Cloak pattern, I bought a very similar cloak from Ireland. It was from a mail-order catalog and advertised as a "traditional Irish style." It is in red wool with a red satin lining. While this doesn't say anything about the cloak's historical origins, it does say Folkwear didn't invent the style. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 12:13:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09447 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:13:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LG4BC04481; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LG4Bc09645; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LG3ic09116 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.106] (as3-4-120.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.106]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g4LG3gk14217 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 09:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:45:17 -0700 Status: RO At 9:25 AM -0400 5/21/02, Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: >Speaking of which, does anyone know when pheasants were introduced into >Europe? Someone told me they were an import from China, which means that >one shouldn't use pheasant feathers in one's headgear until a relatively >late date, but he didn't know the date when pheasants were introduced. The book 'Birds in Medieval Manuscripts" (Brunsdon Yapp, Schocken Books, New York, 1981) notes illustrations of pheasants (Phasianus colchicus) in the SHerborne MIssal (ca. 1400), and possibly in the Smithfield Decretals and the Luttrell Psalter (both about 60 years earlier). THere are French examples starting in the early 14th century (e.g., the Belleville Breviary ca. 1325). The book notes that the Latin word "fasianus" appears in 8-10th century Anglo-Saxon vocabularies, but it is used there to gloss a word that appears to indicate the capercaillie, not the pheasant, and there is no evidence (according to the book) for pheasants in Britain that early. The Latin word "fasianus" (or "phasianus") and its variants show up in a number of classical authors, e.g., Pliny, and the derivation of the word suggests a connection with Colchis in Asia Minor. So while it may be that the species was originally native to China, the evidence suggests a gradual spread westward by Roman times, with extension throughout Europe by the 14-15th century. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 12:32:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09689 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:32:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LGMBC06501; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LGM8c20921; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:22:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LGLbc20506 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.189.36.255] (HELO [192.168.1.105]) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 16051139 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:21:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020521154811.2CCC436F9@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20020521154811.2CCC436F9@sitemail.everyone.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kinsale Cloak origin Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4LGLbc20506 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:21:38 -0400 Status: RO Liz Gerds said: >While it is reminiscent of 18th century cloaks, the hood is just too >off from all the 18th century cloaks I’ve ever seen to originate >during that period. My theory is that it is a Victorian/Edwardian >garment designed to look “Irish” created during the Celtic >resurgence in the late 1800s/early 1900s. The hood/shoulder cape is >just too decorative to have been created as a practical item. >Regardless of its origin, it is a good cloak for general use. Thanks for sharing this information- it's really interesting! I do like the way it looks, and will probably get your version, too- the alternative hood sounds intriguing. And if this theory of its origins is true, it means that my plans to make an Art Nouveau/Arts and Crafts style enameled clasp for mine are particularly appropriate! -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 12:54:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09937 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:54:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LGj3C09045; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LGj2c04808; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:45:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LGifc04619 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A9CC1510260; Tue, 21 May 2002 11:46:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c200e6$f56af220$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20020521131538.28346.qmail@uwdvg001.cms.usa.net> <3CEA5A85.9411CDEC@mccc.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-bubble wrap dress X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:45:46 -0400 Status: RO Oh Kate, please send me an image of her in the dress for the Costume Ball. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 13:00:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10078 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:00:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LGp1C09649; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LGp1c08190; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LGoXc07877 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:50:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AB2C3620242; Tue, 21 May 2002 11:51:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c200e7$c7449080$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20020520094823.02fe8e60@pop.directcon.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020521100721.0284bfd8@mail.inil.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear patterns and the Kinsale Cloak X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:51:39 -0400 Status: RO Deb, A remember a few years ago when you first put the photos on your site... so proud of you! And it looked great! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 13:34:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10519 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:34:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LHP3C13449; Tue, 21 May 2002 11:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LHP1c29012; Tue, 21 May 2002 11:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LHOdc28807 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 11:24:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp234016pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net [68.55.178.225]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GWH000BX1OXBM@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:24:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Liz / Cozit To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3CEA82D3.8C73A3B@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200205211652.g4LGq4c08877@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Q: Feathers in the Baltimore/DC area?? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:24:35 -0400 Status: RO In the past, I've bought a variety of the duck feathers and maribou (sp?) that Michaels and JoAnns sells for making fans for Ren. Faire. Unfortunately, I've realized that my new character can have a similar fan, but I've got to do it without the fluffy feathers that mask the oddities in the feathers that do the work behind them for my new, non-gentry-type character. So... the feathers that they carry won't work for what I need.. unless I get lucky and find some larger duck feathers (happens every couple blue moons or so). Does anyone know of any good sources for duck/chicken/goose feathers around Baltimore or DC? I'll even take a Philadelphia area source if I can't find something closer, it'll just take longer to get to my folks' house one trip or another this summer.... TIA, -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 15:03:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12182 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 15:03:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LIr6C22137; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LIr1c19132; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LIqXc18862 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:52:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.6.0) with ESMTP id g4LIqTH11050 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 11:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020521112042.00a89560@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie In-Reply-To: <20020515045941.95311.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200205131740.g4DHe2W73417@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_13529453==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Costume College Ball Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:52:26 -0700 Status: RO --=====================_13529453==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Does anyone know if the Sat. evening Ball at Costume College is sold out yet? 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Does anyone know if the Sat. evening Ball at Costume College is sold out yet?

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University of California, Davis --=====================_13529453==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 15:43:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12780 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 15:43:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LJWMC04184; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:32:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LJWKc10527; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:32:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LJV3c09594 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:31:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWH00G2C7JP2Q@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:31:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-bubble wrap dress In-reply-to: <3CEA5A85.9411CDEC@mccc.edu> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020521122233.00dec220@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020521131538.28346.qmail@uwdvg001.cms.usa.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:25:15 -0700 Status: RO Funny you should mention that. Last night I did a bubble-wrap jacket, for an up-coming panel I will be on at a science fiction convention, the subject being no-sew costumes. I taped it together with packing tape, and, since I will only wear it once or twice ever, I don't care if I lose a few bubbles in the wearing. I used some pink and some clear inch-bubble stuff. >Just for giggles-- my daughter in the bubble wrap skirt she wore to the prom. >I made it like an overskirt - it laced at the back with 3 grommets per side, >then was open the rest of the way down so she could split it to sit down and >not pop the bubbles >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > [Image] [Image] BTW, your images didn't arrive. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 15:45:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12826 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 15:45:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LJa1C08684; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LJa0c12802; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LJZBc12341 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:35:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWH00GW67QL2P@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:35:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kinsale Cloak origin In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020521123153.00cc56e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020521154811.2CCC436F9@sitemail.everyone.net> <20020521154811.2CCC436F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:35:06 -0700 Status: RO There's a book of pictures of costumes, from some collection, that I think Laura Ashley put out a few years ago. It includes costumes, historical images, and a section on fabric, with close-ups of the fabric itself. I don't remember the title (my copy is still packed) but it had a photo of one of these cloaks in it, in bright red. >>While it is reminiscent of 18th century cloaks, the hood is just too off >>from all the 18th century cloaks I've ever seen to originate during that >>period. My theory is that it is a Victorian/Edwardian garment designed >>to look "Irish" created during the Celtic resurgence in the late >>1800s/early 1900s. The hood/shoulder cape is just too decorative to have >>been created as a practical item. Regardless of its origin, it is a good >>cloak for general use. > >Thanks for sharing this information- it's really interesting! I do like >the way it looks, and will probably get your version, too- the alternative >hood sounds intriguing. > >And if this theory of its origins is true, it means that my plans to make >an Art Nouveau/Arts and Crafts style enameled clasp for mine are >particularly appropriate! Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 16:02:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13127 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 16:02:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LJq1C10954; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LJq0c21809; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LJp8c21262 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:51:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-relay02-en1.mac.com (smtp-relay02-en1 [10.13.10.225]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g4LJp6PZ020783 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay02-en1.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g4LJp1Ks024798 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.95.177.85] ([128.95.177.85]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GWH8H000.F0I for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:51:00 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 From: Agnes G To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020521123153.00cc56e0@mail.frys.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Laura Ashley book info Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:51:01 -0700 Status: RO Kayta writes: > There's a book of pictures of costumes, from some collection, that I think > Laura Ashley put out a few years ago. It includes costumes, historical > images, and a section on fabric, with close-ups of the fabric itself. I > don't remember the title (my copy is still packed) but it had a photo of > one of these cloaks in it, in bright red. > Here's the info on the book: Fabric of society : a century of people and their clothes, 1770-1870 : essays inspired by the collections at Platt Hall, The Gallery of English Costume, Manchester by Jane Tozer and Sarah Levitt ; photographs by Mark Cobley ; with a foreword by Laura Ashley. (Birmingham : Studio Press) Gallery of English Costume ISBN 0950891304 I believe it's out of print but it is a nice informative book. Worth picking up if you see it used and this is in your time period of interest. Unlike most of the costume references it includes info on working peoples dress. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 18:30:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15467 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 18:30:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LML4C12969; Tue, 21 May 2002 16:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LML1L17048; Tue, 21 May 2002 16:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03bw.bigpond.com (mta03bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LMKWL16773 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 16:20:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.72]) by mta03bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta03bw Feb 26 2002 03:44:21) with SMTP id GWHFE000.GOE for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:20:24 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-97.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.97]) by bwmam02.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0m 11/13137772); 22 May 2002 08:20:24 Message-ID: <3CEBB790.C80F3ECF@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers References: <4.3.1.2.20020521002902.00ccb940@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020521015410.00cf3630@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 08:21:52 -0700 Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > Or I can go to the ostrich farm an hour south of here, or the one half an > > > hour east of here. I live in California. > > > >We've got a farm here too (not only one) > > When I visited Australia, almost 20 years ago, we were told we couldn't > bring Ostrich feathers in because, since apparently they didn't ranch them, > they were considered endangered, or indistinguishable from real > endangered. Do they ranch ostriches in Australia nowadays? > Yes, there are a few ostrich farms. But I suspect you're just as likely to find emu farms. I'm not sure how similar emu feathers are to ostrich feathers - I don't recall seeing any (that weren't on an emu anyway) Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 19:23:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15886 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 19:23:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4LND5C23932; Tue, 21 May 2002 17:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LND1L13478; Tue, 21 May 2002 17:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LNCYL13260 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 17:12:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-67.28.46.153.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([67.28.46.153] helo=jsbarrett.jb-av.com) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17AInx-0007nl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 May 2002 16:12:34 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521113037.0219c330@mail.jb-av.com> X-Sender: genie@mail.jb-av.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Genie Larsen In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020520005943.02e88cd0@mail.attbi.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20020428222237.00c3a3c0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Ireland trip Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:38:11 -0500 Status: RO Hi everyone, I have the very great opportunity to go to Ireland and tour for two weeks starting the 26th of this month. My husband has given me control of where, when, and how. Does anyone know where the clothes from the bog digs are kept? and are they displayed anywhere? If there is anywhere that is of particular interest, historical costume wise, please let me know. We are going to Dublin for three days and intend to see Trinity College, the National Museum of Ireland (Kildare St.), and Millmount Museum, but are there any other places that we've missed? Thanks in advance Genie Please change my address in your lists to the new one above. ^_^ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 20:09:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16054 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 20:09:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4M004C27291; Tue, 21 May 2002 18:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4M001L03092; Tue, 21 May 2002 18:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LNx5L02757 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 17:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AF9B398025E; Tue, 21 May 2002 19:00:27 -0500 Message-ID: <00dc01c20123$a3f63520$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Online Costume Ball Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:00:07 -0400 Status: RO Just a reminder... I do take entree's photos year round for the Online Costume Ball 2002 www.onlinecostumeball.com . We do take prom photos, ballet, bridal, theatrical, fantasy (some people are sending in their Star Wars costumes already), retro, carnival, and cute babies ... its your Ball... I am just the hostess and site designer. For those new to the list... the Online Ball starts every year on Sept. 30. This will be our five year anniversary!!!! We want to have a smashing Ball this year! So send me your photos. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 21 23:12:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16944 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 23:12:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4M32AC07483; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:02:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4M321L28720; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4M31nL28653 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ccc (dialup-63.215.222.141.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net [63.215.222.141]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g4M31mA273346 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 23:01:48 -0400 Message-ID: <01c401c201a1$da1707a0$8dded73f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <198.72748c6.2a18cf06@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stars Wars Costume Review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:03:36 -0400 Status: RO by the way, if you have children, and want to see this movie, try looking on cereal boxes (Golden Grahams, etc). They have vouchers inside that pay for a child's admission. (when you have 4 children, you notice these things!) ;-} Moira _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 03:36:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15079 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 03:36:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4M7R3C18264; Wed, 22 May 2002 01:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4M7R0L04822; Wed, 22 May 2002 01:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4M7QqL04790 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 01:26:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-213.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.213]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1EA7CC3 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 09:26:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3CEB4839.9080709@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] tudor jewelery on eBay Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:26:49 +0200 Status: RO I wish I could afford this pendant. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=871506464 Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 04:02:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15432 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 04:02:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4M7r0C19166; Wed, 22 May 2002 01:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4M7r0L10442; Wed, 22 May 2002 01:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4M7quL10405 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 01:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020522075255.87267.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:52:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] tudor jewelery on eBay To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3CEB4839.9080709@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 08:52:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > I wish I could afford this pendant. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=871506464 > > Greetings, > Deredere Don't worry and don't look on ebay, this is a pendant from Steve, and you can find his site here: http://www.pewterreplicas.co.uk/ Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 04:10:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15550 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 04:10:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4M812C19776; Wed, 22 May 2002 02:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4M811L12158; Wed, 22 May 2002 02:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4M80EL12001 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 02:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-213.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.213]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4117C7C for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 10:00:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3CEB500B.7020403@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] tudor jewelery on eBay References: <20020522075255.87267.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060601040709020603070100" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 10:00:11 +0200 Status: RO --------------060601040709020603070100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the link. This is so beautifull. Deredere N Kipar wrote: > --- Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > I wish I could >afford this pendant. > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=871506464 >> >>Greetings, >> Deredere >> > >Don't worry and don't look on ebay, this is a pendant from Steve, and you can >find his site here: >http://www.pewterreplicas.co.uk/ > >Nicole > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: marquis@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --------------060601040709020603070100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the link.
This is so beautifull.
       
        Deredere

N Kipar wrote:

 --- Deredere & Owen Iskander <triade@kabelfoon.nl> wrote: > I wish I could
afford this pendant.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=871506464

Greetings,
        Deredere

Don't worry and don't look on ebay, this is a pendant from Steve, and you can
find his site here:
http://www.pewterreplicas.co.uk/

Nicole

=====
Nicole Kipar M.A.
Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs 
Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715
URL: http://www.kipar.org/
Email: marquis@kipar.org

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--------------060601040709020603070100-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 04:44:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15960 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 04:44:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4M8Z4C20987; Wed, 22 May 2002 02:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4M8Z3L19285; Wed, 22 May 2002 02:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4M8YaL19201 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 02:34:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KI0V69098000QO2I@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 22 May 2002 09:37:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KI0V5ZJJNI008PN6@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 22 May 2002 09:37:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 22 May 2002 09:32:18 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 22 May 2002 09:31:34 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 22 May 2002 09:31:26 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cumbria (WAS: parasols and feathers) In-reply-to: <200205211652.g4LGqAc08937@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <2C6C4C35C46@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:31:26 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > That reminds me, I have to get some, Ben's feathered hat got so > > awfully rained upon the second time this weekend that it does look > ratty by now. We were in Cumbria.. the lake district is beautiful > but oh my does it RAIN and STORM! Nicole, honey, it *always* rains in Cumbria - it's part of it's charm. I've never been there a time when it didn't rain at some point during my visit. The first time I was there for two weeks and the only time it didn't rain was the day we were away on a side-trip to Blackpool. It rained so much, that fortnight, the fire-brigade were pumping water out of the cellars of the houses in Bowness on Windermere.... down the hill to fil up the cellars farther down.... Still, it's a beautiful place for all that Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 04:48:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16036 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 04:48:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4M8d1C21097; Wed, 22 May 2002 02:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4M8d1L20133; Wed, 22 May 2002 02:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4M8clL20071 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 02:38:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020522083846.92289.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2002 09:38:46 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ireland trip To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521113037.0219c330@mail.jb-av.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:38:46 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Genie, you should definitely go to Newgrange and see Bru na Boinne. Also, you MUST go to the west coast is what I'd say, I absolutely loved Galway and I visited the Aran islands as well, in particular Inishmore and Dun Angeus, it's breathtaking; as well as the Cliffs of Moher. Nicole --- Genie Larsen wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have the very great opportunity to go to Ireland and tour for two weeks > starting the 26th of this month. My husband has given me control of where, > when, and how. Does anyone know where the clothes from the bog digs are > kept? and are they displayed anywhere? > > If there is anywhere that is of particular interest, historical costume > wise, please let me know. We are going to Dublin for three days and intend > to see Trinity College, the National Museum of Ireland (Kildare St.), and > Millmount Museum, but are there any other places that we've missed? > > Thanks in advance > Genie > Please change my address in your lists to the new one above. > > ^_^ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 04:53:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16094 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 04:53:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4M8i1C21224; Wed, 22 May 2002 02:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4M8i1L21222; Wed, 22 May 2002 02:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4M8hhL21160 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 02:43:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020522084343.1743.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2002 09:43:43 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cumbria (WAS: parasols and feathers) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <2C6C4C35C46@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:43:43 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > Nicole, honey, it *always* rains in Cumbria - it's part of it's charm. *laughs* Oh yes Teddy, ben had been there for re-enactments in years prior with Regia Anglorum and they once had a ten day show at Brockhole. It rained so much that they had to dig trenches around the tents because they started to float! > I've never been there a time when it didn't rain at some point during > my visit. I ddn't believe it... but I do now! Nevertheless we'll be participating in the Whitehaven maritime huge event next year in June, they asked us, and well, theirphotos from two years prior (it takes place every two years and has lots of tall ships (yummy!)) showed people in shorts under a belting SUN! *shock horror* We'll do appr 1700 I think, because of Jonahthan Swift and Daniel Defoe who lived there. nice connection. reminds me I have to get more rainproofier clothing... ;-))) The first time I was there for two weeks and the only time > it didn't rain was the day we were away on a side-trip to Blackpool. *laughs* sounds just like it. > Still, it's a beautiful place for all that It is indee and I highly recommend it to everyone. Have a lok at the official Cumbria tourism board site: http://www.cumbria-the-lake-district.co.uk/ Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 05:38:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16660 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 05:38:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4M9T2C22351; Wed, 22 May 2002 03:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4M9T0L28351; Wed, 22 May 2002 03:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4M9SWL28250; Wed, 22 May 2002 03:28:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A515424023C; Wed, 22 May 2002 04:29:57 -0500 Message-ID: <017301c20172$a2492f80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Gallery Update Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 05:25:37 -0400 Status: RO YEA!!! We haven't had a website update on The Costume Gallery ( www.costumegallery.com) in awhile. Susan and I have been working on so many projects... well this weekend, we were determined to finish some. The sites are accessible from the front of the Gallery under the "What's New" column on the left. Under the "A Year in Fashion"... we have two new years... 1912 and 1921. Some of our 1912 articles have been up a while but they are all under one location for you to find easily. BUT we do have a new article for 1912... The Bride and the Bridal Party. Susan did a beautiful job on it. My new section is A Year in Fashion: 1921. This is the first article of many to come for the year 1921. AND this is the first of this series of articles about fashion designers of a given year. This article includes illustrations of Paris fashion designers for the years. The designers included in this article are: Soulie, Mme. Havet of Agnes, Martial et Armand, Beer, Jenny, Madeleine, Premet, and Worth. You will need to have Javascript enabled on your browser to view these new articles. We added this to the articles to protect the images. I hope you all enjoy the new sites. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 06:46:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17355 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 06:46:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MAb3C24207; Wed, 22 May 2002 04:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MAb1L11639; Wed, 22 May 2002 04:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4MAahL11580 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 04:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020522103643.16047.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2002 11:36:43 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lorna Doone To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:36:43 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Maggie Secara wrote: > Is there a pic of this dress somewhere? I only saw a little of the movie, > and can't remember anything good or bad about the clothes. (I want to put > it in the over-my-dead-body file :) > > MaggiRos Oh shoot, no, can't find a single picture and we had taped the film but taped over it coz we didn't particularly enjoy it, sorry. Just think 'relatively recent awful hollywood three musketeers film' and you are getting near. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 07:28:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17477 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 07:28:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MBJ2C25455; Wed, 22 May 2002 05:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MBJ1L19832; Wed, 22 May 2002 05:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MBIAL19655 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 05:18:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04265.; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:18:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:17:57 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cumbria (WAS: parasols and feathers) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4MBIAL19655 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:17:46 +0100 Status: RO Nicole wrote: >I ddn't believe it... but I do now! Nevertheless we'll be participating in the >Whitehaven maritime huge event next year in June, they asked us, and >well, theirphotos from two years prior (it takes place every two years and >has lots of tall ships (yummy!)) showed people in shorts under a belting >SUN! *shock horror* >We'll do appr 1700 I think, because of Jonahthan Swift and Daniel Defoe >who lived there. nice connection. reminds me I have to get more >rainproofier clothing... ;-))) I didn't know Whitehaven were still doing reenactmernt events. I took part in one 25 years ago (aargh!) to commemorate the 1777 raid by John Paul Jones. The Sealed Knot wore borrowed 18th century film costumes for the event (there were fewer rival societies in those days). T Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 07:45:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17523 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 07:45:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MBa1C25911; Wed, 22 May 2002 05:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MBa0L23314; Wed, 22 May 2002 05:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4MBZPL23209 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 05:35:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020522113524.23070.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:35:24 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cumbria (WAS: parasols and feathers) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:35:24 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kate M Bunting > I didn't know Whitehaven were still doing reenactmernt events. I took part in > one 25 years ago (aargh!) to commemorate the 1777 raid by John Paul Jones. > The Sealed Knot wore borrowed 18th century film costumes for the event (there > were fewer rival societies in those days). No, they don't do re-enactment events. This is a purely maritime event, last year they had over 100.00o visitors. It's the Whitehaven Maritime Festival 2003 in Whitehaven Harbour. We have started to do quite a lot of maritime events now, fascinating. Nicole - tallyho ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 08:32:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21746 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:32:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MCN2C27454; Wed, 22 May 2002 06:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MCN0L04014; Wed, 22 May 2002 06:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MCMpL03985 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 06:22:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.175.8a2ec2c (24895) for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:22:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <175.8a2ec2c.2a1ce789@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura Ashley book info To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10034 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 08:22:33 EDT Status: RO _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 08:33:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21754 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:33:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MCO0C27495; Wed, 22 May 2002 06:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MCO0L04269; Wed, 22 May 2002 06:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MCNCL04061 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 06:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.196.75ddb33 (24895) for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:23:03 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <196.75ddb33.2a1ce79e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura Ashley book info To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_196.75ddb33.2a1ce79e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10034 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 08:22:54 EDT Status: RO --part1_196.75ddb33.2a1ce79e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is a great book. 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Ann Wass --part1_196.75ddb33.2a1ce79e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 10:09:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22202 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 10:09:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ME07C02998; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ME01L02153; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MDx1L01759 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 07:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m52.in-tch.com [216.166.191.52]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4MDk4v12429 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 07:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CEBA564.38821859@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lorna Doone References: <20020522103643.16047.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 08:04:20 -0600 Status: RO Yeah, , but *which one???* --Sue N Kipar wrote: > Just think 'relatively > recent awful hollywood three musketeers film' and you are getting near. > > Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 10:09:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22207 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 10:09:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ME0PC03034; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ME0OL02315; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:00:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MDxTL01937 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 07:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr1so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.110]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GWI00853MI4FB@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 22 May 2002 07:51:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml8so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.152]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GWI00E40MI4AC@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 22 May 2002 07:51:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shaw.ca (h24-83-104-177.vf.shawcable.net [24.83.104.177]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GWI00AVMMI42X@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 22 May 2002 07:51:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Shalazar Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3CEBAA51.68397F70@shaw.ca> Organization: Shalazar Creations MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1 (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: shalazar@shaw.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 07:25:21 -0700 Status: RO I have some have large fans which need repairing Whats the best way to dye Ostrich feathers? Any tips for a person who has never had any success dyeing? Shalazar "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." - Douglas Adams (1952-2001) English novelist _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 10:16:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22238 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 10:16:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ME72C03453; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ME71L04777; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.0.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ME6EL04490 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:06:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id C931A1E2928; Wed, 22 May 2002 15:06:09 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020522140609.C931A1E2928@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 15:06:09 BST Status: RO Shalazar wrote : > I have some have large fans which need repairing > > Whats the best way to dye Ostrich feathers? Any tips for a person who > has never had any success dyeing? "Ostriches Online" seem to sell a kit for the purpose, and some leaflets. http://www.ostrichesonline.com/cgi-bin/store/shop?cmd=feather-index Can't comment on how well they work, I just noticed them while browsing the other day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 10:23:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22267 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 10:23:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MEE1C03945; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MEE1L07427; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12808.mail.yahoo.com (web12808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4MEDvL07397 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020522141357.61538.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.18.199.196] by web12808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2002 07:13:57 PDT From: Truly Biggs Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather dying tips To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3CEBAA51.68397F70@shaw.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 07:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I have some feather dying tips. (My advice isn't going to make you happy.) Getting the feather to take color is no problem. Call the Jaquard dye people at Rupert Gibbon and Spider and ask them what to buy. They directed me to some inexpensive acid dyes designed just for feathers. You do it on the stove with some hot/warm/not boiling water. Getting the the feather to ever look like anything else other than a drowned rat is another matter entirely. I have tried air drying, oven drying, hair-dryer drying and dryer drying. Result: Drowned rat feathers in lovely colors. I tried distilled water, I tried Steaming them afterward, I tried the cornstarch thing. Drowned Rat. I emailed and called the feather people who had assured me this was possible. They could not figure out what I was doing wrong. I tried a different "brand" of feathers in case the processing was keeping the feathers from fluffing. Still drowned rat. It may be possible do get a feather to fluff back up afterward - but I did not figure out how after weeks of trying. My advice is - buy new feathers in the color you need. Truly --- Shalazar wrote: > I have some have large fans which need repairing > > Whats the best way to dye Ostrich feathers? Any tips for a person who > has never had any success dyeing? > > > > Shalazar > > > "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to > learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable > for their apparent disinclination to do so." > > - Douglas Adams (1952-2001) English novelist > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 10:30:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22311 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 10:30:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MEL1C04436; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MEL0L10243; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4MEKwL10213 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:20:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020522142055.336.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2002 15:20:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lorna Doone To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3CEBA564.38821859@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 15:20:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO *LOL* the one with michael wincott as the evil one (yummy!) and whatsit name from 'young guns' with the famous father. Uhm.... I know I know that probably isn't of much help either. ;-) Nicole --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Yeah, , but *which one???* > --Sue > > N Kipar wrote: > > > Just think 'relatively > > recent awful hollywood three musketeers film' and you are getting near. > > > > Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 10:37:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22355 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 10:37:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MES3C05045; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MES2L13228; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MERFL12916 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:27:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020522142709.LOOE7675.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:27:09 +0000 Message-ID: <03b601c2019c$d98c1f00$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: <20020522141357.61538.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasols and feathers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:25:48 -0500 Status: RO I am not certain that this will work for you but it did for me. We were desperate to have 5 dyed feathers for a skit we were doing at work. It was the founding fathers with a modern twist, hey we only had 3 minutes. Anyhow since we did not have much of a budget (read: look in your pocket for change) I grabbed the dry eraser markers and painted them as I held them. They looked great and I still have them. I am not sure why it worked but it worked. The kids play with them now. They have endured quite a bit of playing. :) Sincerely, Franchesca Havas McKinney, Texas `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°` _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 10:51:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22426 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 10:51:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MEfLC06240; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MEfKL19007; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:41:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MEeXL18636 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:40:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.7e.27de4b18 (4461) for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 10:40:25 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.27de4b18.2a1d07d9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather dying tips To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7e.27de4b18.2a1d07d9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 10:40:25 EDT Status: RO --part1_7e.27de4b18.2a1d07d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/22/2002 10:14:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, trulinor@yahoo.com writes: > Result: Drowned rat feathers You must preen them. Get a local bird to do it for you :-P Seriously, I've seen milliners comb the filament back into place wit a tiny pick...like an afro pick. I've just seen this, mind you, not done it. Apparently the filaments have little "teeth" on them that when lined up correctly keep the feather in shape. --part1_7e.27de4b18.2a1d07d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/22/2002 10:14:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, trulinor@yahoo.com writes:


Result: Drowned rat feathers


You must preen them. Get a local bird to do it for you  :-P

Seriously, I've seen milliners comb the filament back into place wit a tiny pick...like an afro pick. I've just seen this, mind you, not done it.

Apparently the filaments have little "teeth" on them that when lined up correctly keep the feather in shape. --part1_7e.27de4b18.2a1d07d9_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 11:46:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22704 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 11:46:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MFb2C11781; Wed, 22 May 2002 09:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MFb0L19170; Wed, 22 May 2002 09:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailjayb.creighton.edu (root@MailjayB.creighton.edu [147.134.2.193]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MFaaL18937 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 09:36:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by mailjayb.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA02199 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 10:36:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000e01c201a6$9e61be80$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <175.8a2ec2c.2a1ce789@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] circa 1902 children's historic costuming Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 10:37:44 -0500 Status: RO I'm currently making a a little girl porcelain doll. I'm hoping to have her done by end of September for our local doll and ceramic show. The show's theme is red, white, and blue/4th of July and I'm playing with several ideas. Me being me I have to be different and not just one to dress a doll in red, white, blue or flag material. One is finding illustrations of circa 1902 interpretations of historic costumes for children. I'd love to do either a 1660's type dress("Ye Olde Neuwe York)or Colonial/1776/New Republic. Since it is the 100th anniversary of the teddy bear and the publication of "Peter Rabbit", I'd also like my child to push her pram with a tiny Teddy Bear and Peter Rabbit book inside as if she were in a 4th of July parade. I can certainly fake a connivincing costume, but if anyone can point me to books, illustrations, photos or other sources of circa 1900-1902 children in historic masquerade-type costume, I'd be most grateful. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 12:13:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22855 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:13:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MG33C14472; Wed, 22 May 2002 10:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MG32L04985; Wed, 22 May 2002 10:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MG2WL04660 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 10:02:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.1a3.2a0d099 (4461) for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:02:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1a3.2a0d099.2a1d1b0a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] circa 1902 children's historic costuming To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a3.2a0d099.2a1d1b0a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:02:18 EDT Status: RO --part1_1a3.2a0d099.2a1d1b0a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/22/2002 11:42:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, brujne@bluejay.creighton.edu writes: > I can certainly fake a connivincing costume, but if anyone can point me to > books, illustrations, photos or other sources of circa 1900-1902 children in > historic masquerade-type costume, I'd be most grateful. > Whoa...that's a specific request! Great idea! If you can find pattern books from the period, you may be onto something. But remember, they faked "a connivincing costume" back then too so, if you put yourself in that 1900 frame of mind and design a masquerade costume [include the 1900 silhouette and types of trimmings and fabrics into you "period" design] you should come up with anything as "accurate" as they would've back then. I remember seeing some 1920s Comedia del art costumes for children. They had the harlequin diamonds on them [in deco colors], the Harlequina having a dropped waist and low side hoops...a la 1920s. I've also seen photos a famous actress from the 1870s as "Mrs. Malaprop". Many of the 18th century things were there, but the "stomacher" was curvy in the style of the 1870s corset and the "polonaise" was complicatedly draped like a bustle. The hair was high and powdered and the fabrics were printed with 18th century designs...though probably a little too large. You can see what direction these kind of designs go. --part1_1a3.2a0d099.2a1d1b0a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/22/2002 11:42:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, brujne@bluejay.creighton.edu writes:


I can certainly fake a connivincing costume, but if anyone can point me to
books, illustrations, photos or other sources of circa 1900-1902 children in
historic masquerade-type costume, I'd be most grateful.


Whoa...that's a specific request! Great idea! If you can find pattern books from the period, you may be onto something. But remember, they faked "a connivincing costume" back then too so, if you put yourself in that 1900 frame of mind and design a masquerade costume [include the 1900 silhouette and types of trimmings and fabrics into you "period" design] you should come up with anything as "accurate" as they would've back then.

I remember seeing some 1920s Comedia del art costumes for children. They had the harlequin diamonds on them [in deco colors], the Harlequina having a dropped waist and low side hoops...a la 1920s.

I've also seen photos a famous actress from the 1870s as "Mrs. Malaprop".  Many of the 18th century things were there, but the "stomacher" was curvy in the style of the 1870s corset and the "polonaise" was complicatedly draped like a bustle. The hair was high and powdered and the fabrics were printed with 18th century designs...though probably a little too large.

You can see what direction these kind of designs go. --part1_1a3.2a0d099.2a1d1b0a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 14:57:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26456 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:57:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MImNC01811; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:48:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MImIL14347; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MIlkL13911 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:47:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWJ004GT07JYT@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 22 May 2002 11:47:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] circa 1902 children's historic costuming In-reply-to: <1a3.2a0d099.2a1d1b0a@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020522114530.00cc31c0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:47:41 -0700 Status: RO The book 'The Real Mother Goose' was done a little late, but you can see the teens doing colonial, medieval, etc. in it. AlbertCat's right - do 1902 in shape and colours, and distort the actual period details to fit. >>I can certainly fake a connivincing costume, but if anyone can point me to >>books, illustrations, photos or other sources of circa 1900-1902 children in >>historic masquerade-type costume, I'd be most grateful. > > >Whoa...that's a specific request! Great idea! If you can find pattern >books from the period, you may be onto something. But remember, they faked >"a connivincing costume" back then too so, if you put yourself in that >1900 frame of mind and design a masquerade costume [include the 1900 >silhouette and types of trimmings and fabrics into you "period" design] >you should come up with anything as "accurate" as they would've back then. > >I remember seeing some 1920s Comedia del art costumes for children. They >had the harlequin diamonds on them [in deco colors], the Harlequina having >a dropped waist and low side hoops...a la 1920s. > >I've also seen photos a famous actress from the 1870s as "Mrs. >Malaprop". Many of the 18th century things were there, but the >"stomacher" was curvy in the style of the 1870s corset and the "polonaise" >was complicatedly draped like a bustle. The hair was high and powdered and >the fabrics were printed with 18th century designs...though probably a >little too large. > >You can see what direction these kind of designs go. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 15:34:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26634 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 15:34:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MJP3C05243; Wed, 22 May 2002 13:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MJP1L06678; Wed, 22 May 2002 13:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4MJOTL06341 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 13:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 12663 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 19:40:15 -0000 Received: from 66-81-44-202-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.44.202) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 22 May 2002 19:40:15 -0000 Message-ID: <3CEBEFDE.3BEAF24E@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <3CC80CDD.25165551@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Dummy Class Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:22:06 -0700 Status: RO Just wanted to let everyone know that if they are interested in learning the Paper Tape method of making a custom sewing dummy my class will be starting in a week at; http://www.costumeclassroom.com/ Just go to the instructors listing, and click on Stephen Bergdahl. In the class you will learn how to fit the foundation for the dummy, how to wrap the tape, as well as ways of decorating your dummy, and some ideas for stands. The paper tape method is quick simple and easy to do. It's great for making a dummy of your customers so they don't have to do as many fitting. I look forward to seeing you in class. Stephen Bergdahl _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 18:23:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28794 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 18:23:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MME5C24390; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MME1L18080; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MMDeL17768 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:13:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A86B1E026A; Wed, 22 May 2002 17:15:07 -0500 Message-ID: <00d801c201de$162e5d60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] This is for the Barbie lovers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:14:48 -0400 Status: RO This one is on eBay... the auction closed and look how much it went for... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=866419376 Make sure you see all of the auction. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 18:39:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28855 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 18:39:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4MMU2C26256; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:30:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MMU1L26640; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MMTkL26517 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:29:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020522222940.ZVEB11183.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 22:29:40 +0000 Message-ID: <075101c201e0$299507d0$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: <00d801c201de$162e5d60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] This is for the Barbie lovers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:26:55 -0500 Status: RO Oh my god!!! I cannot wait to see what she does for an encore on Thursday! :) Sincerely, Franchesca Vecchio Havas McKinney, Texas `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°` ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: [h-cost] This is for the Barbie lovers > This one is on eBay... the auction closed and look how much it went for... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=866419376 Make sure you > see all of the auction. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 22 20:11:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29255 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 20:11:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4N026C05095; Wed, 22 May 2002 18:02:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4N020L07977; Wed, 22 May 2002 18:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4N01vL07959 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 18:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.15]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020523000151.TNGF2751.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 00:01:51 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020522190416.02aad280@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] tudor jewelery on eBay In-Reply-To: <3CEB4839.9080709@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:06:00 -0500 Status: RO Actually, I just did a currency conversion - it works out cheaper to buy it directly from http://www.pewterreplicas.co.uk/ $59.99 works out to 41.0819 GBP today. Cheers, Danielle At 09:26 AM 5/22/2002 +0200, you wrote: >I wish I could afford this pendant. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=871506464 > >Greetings, > Deredere > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 23 04:22:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29928 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 04:22:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4N8D3C25857; Thu, 23 May 2002 02:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4N8D1L25521; Thu, 23 May 2002 02:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns.misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4N8CGL25321 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 02:12:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA13830 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 01:11:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3CECA575.3253514D@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] This is for the Barbie lovers References: <00d801c201de$162e5d60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 01:17:22 -0700 Status: RO To the liste- Okay, folks, there should be a new catagory on E-bay for things like this: MORE MONEY THAN BRAINS. Thanks for the hoot, Penny!!! Theresa Eacker Penny Ladnier wrote: > > This one is on eBay... the auction closed and look how much it went for... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=866419376 Make sure you > see all of the auction. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 23 10:14:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31646 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 10:14:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4NE59C08588; Thu, 23 May 2002 08:05:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NE50L12926; Thu, 23 May 2002 08:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NE4iL12840 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 08:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m162.in-tch.com [216.166.191.162]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4NDpjv12564 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 07:51:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CECF83C.41FFF6FE@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] This is for the Barbie lovers References: <00d801c201de$162e5d60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3CECA575.3253514D@misc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:10:04 -0600 Status: RO Ya know, I'm no Barbie collector or anything (kinda grew out of it when I was about 10), but that auction has to be one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time.....think I'd pay the seller extra just for the humor and effort put into the story line! Thanks, Penny.... Sue, who *needed* a good laugh Theresa Eacker wrote: > > To the liste- > > Okay, folks, there should be a new catagory on E-bay for things like > this: MORE MONEY THAN BRAINS. > > Thanks for the hoot, Penny!!! > > Theresa Eacker > > Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > > This one is on eBay... the auction closed and look how much it went for... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=866419376 Make sure you > > see all of the auction. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 23 15:06:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01418 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 15:06:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4NIv3C07708; Thu, 23 May 2002 12:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NIv1L18434; Thu, 23 May 2002 12:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NIu9L17935 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 12:56:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.78.270a67ef (3983) for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 14:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <78.270a67ef.2a1e953c@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: tudor jewelery on eBay Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:55:56 EDT Status: RO << I wish I could afford this pendant. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=871506464>> Me too, Deredere! I went to their site a few weeks back when someone posted the link and that's the very thing I decided I _must_ have. Unfortunately, I found it after Teddy (my fiance', not h-costume Teddy) finished his shopping for my birthday which is coming up June 11th. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 23 15:28:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01491 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 15:28:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4NJIgC10622; Thu, 23 May 2002 13:18:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NJIfL01267; Thu, 23 May 2002 13:18:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NJDML27669 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 13:13:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.108.122af731 (3983) for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 15:13:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <108.122af731.2a1e9941@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] tudor jewelery on eBay To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:13:05 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/22/02 5:31:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << Don't worry and don't look on ebay, this is a pendant from Steve, and you can find his site here: http://www.pewterreplicas.co.uk/>> Thanks for that link, Nicole! That site is awesome. Definitely adding it to my Places to Shop for wedding gifts. (We're not doing a formal registry.) --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 23 15:54:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01617 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 15:54:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4NJjQC13047; Thu, 23 May 2002 13:45:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NJjML15247; Thu, 23 May 2002 13:45:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NJYiL09398 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 13:34:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.82.1bff1ce5 (3983) for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 15:34:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <82.1bff1ce5.2a1e9e46@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cumbria and weatherproofing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:34:30 EDT Status: RO << We'll do appr 1700 I think, because of Jonahthan Swift and Daniel Defoe who lived there. nice connection. reminds me I have to get more rainproofier clothing... ;-))) >> Scotchguard spray the hell out of whatevever your outer layer is -- cloak or coat. I used 3 coats initially, letting dry thoroughly between each coat, on my hooded cloak for LARPing. Then after every 3-day event where it rained, I spray it down with one coat once the outside is dry. Other players always wondered how my hair could be totally dry when they were soaked through to their underwear. *g* --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 23 16:03:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01653 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 16:03:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4NJsMC13917; Thu, 23 May 2002 13:54:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NJsML20166; Thu, 23 May 2002 13:54:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NJg9L13578 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 13:42:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.41.1d9717a8 (3983) for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 15:42:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <41.1d9717a8.2a1ea00a@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: dying feathers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:42:02 EDT Status: RO << Whats the best way to dye Ostrich feathers? Any tips for a person who has never had any success dyeing?>> www.ostrichesonline.com had special dyes for sale, and there's a bit of info about bleaching them first and stuff. I've never tried to dye feathers, myself, so I've no idae how hard it is. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 23 16:09:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01660 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 16:09:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4NK08C14603; Thu, 23 May 2002 14:00:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NK07L23463; Thu, 23 May 2002 14:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NJpWL18652 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 13:51:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.10c.124af739 (3983) for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 15:51:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <10c.124af739.2a1ea237@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: dying feathers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:51:19 EDT Status: RO << Getting the feather to take color is no problem. [snippage] You do it on the stove with some hot/warm/not boiling water. Getting the the feather to ever look like anything else other than a drowned rat is another matter entirely. >> Ok, I've never tried to dye feathers before, so maybe my idea will totally not work. That said... Maybe you could try laying the dry feather flat between 2 layers of petticoat net, and tying or sewing the layers together at the edges BEFORE dying. Then, insert it into the dyewater that way. I believe it would prevent the feather from curling in on itself, so it should look less drowned afterwards. Please, if anyone tries this, I wanna know if it works! --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 23 16:42:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01826 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 16:42:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4NKX2C18170; Thu, 23 May 2002 14:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NKX1L12253; Thu, 23 May 2002 14:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NKWwL12214 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 14:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.1ad.2ac7dfe (3983) for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 16:32:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <1ad.2ac7dfe.2a1eabe0@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] This is for the Barbie lovers To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:32:32 EDT Status: RO Oh, Penny! I can't stop laughing! I forwarded the link to all my friends, then I remembered you writing something about how much it sold for, so I had to go back and look. I don't know who's more nuts --the seller or the buyer! --Gillian, who had a bad day yesterday and is so grateful for the pickmeup _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 23 19:20:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02436 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 19:20:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4NNB4C02403; Thu, 23 May 2002 17:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NNB1L03562; Thu, 23 May 2002 17:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NNAsL03491 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 17:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A7575AA0222; Thu, 23 May 2002 18:12:23 -0500 Message-ID: <007601c202af$3e0a7400$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <00d801c201de$162e5d60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3CECA575.3253514D@misc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] This is for the Barbie lovers X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:11:59 -0400 Status: RO If you read near the bottom of the auction, this person was in an auction contest for the most bazaar auction. The funniest part was the disclaimer... in *itty bitty* print. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 23 19:49:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02539 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 19:49:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4NNe1C04254; Thu, 23 May 2002 17:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NNe0L14762; Thu, 23 May 2002 17:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4NNdML14553 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 17:39:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AE041F80276; Thu, 23 May 2002 18:40:52 -0500 Message-ID: <00e101c202b3$375034c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <1ad.2ac7dfe.2a1eabe0@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] This is for the Barbie lovers X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:40:26 -0400 Status: RO Oh, I am so glad you had a good laugh over this! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 23 23:26:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03269 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 23:26:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4O3HBC16248; Thu, 23 May 2002 21:17:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4O3H1L00682; Thu, 23 May 2002 21:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4O3G3L00379 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 21:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2191.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.191]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03917 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 23:15:21 -0400 Message-ID: <3CEDAFB3.3E0C304B@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] tudor jewelery on eBay References: <3CEB4839.9080709@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 23:12:51 -0400 Status: RO Hi. That item is made by Steve Millingham of www.pewterreplicas.com. Check his site, it might be a better price. There is a pair of earrings to go with it. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 23 23:42:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03299 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 23:42:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4O3X1C17030; Thu, 23 May 2002 21:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4O3X1L06252; Thu, 23 May 2002 21:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4O3WWL06091 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 21:32:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.15]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020524033226.YPCA11426.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 03:32:26 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020523222330.00a86e40@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: admisitrative info & question about HCostume fabric sellor swap..Re: [h-cost] h-c swap and save, was In-Reply-To: <3CEC42FF.45C06318@99main.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517102625.00ae0bd0@blue.ucdavis.edu> <5.0.0.25.2.20020518032730.02e79580@mail.attbi.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20020520021917.02e7a110@mail.attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:26:45 -0500 Status: RO Well, the communityzero group is different from the Indra list. You have to register at communityzero for the HCostume fabric sell or swap. So, other than that I have no idea what you're asking about. Cheers, Danielle At 09:16 PM 5/22/2002 -0400, you wrote: >OK, it says I am not on file...so how am i getting this list? >-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 24 00:34:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03452 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 00:34:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4O4P2C19360; Thu, 23 May 2002 22:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4O4P1L20450; Thu, 23 May 2002 22:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4O4O1L20237 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 22:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A0BB5230236; Thu, 23 May 2002 23:25:31 -0500 Message-ID: <01f001c202da$ee81b840$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Online Prom Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 00:24:44 -0400 Status: RO I wanted to through an idea past you all... what do you think about me having an online prom? People send in their photos for prom in the Spring... kinda like the Online Costume Ball but in the Spring. We could also have a vintage area... people prom photos that are older than five years. I value your opinion... so please write me privately about what you think about the idea. penny@costumegallery.com Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 24 03:26:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31938 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 03:26:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4O7H6C24936; Fri, 24 May 2002 01:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4O7H1L29422; Fri, 24 May 2002 01:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4O7G7L29241 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 01:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020524071607.79966.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 May 2002 08:16:07 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] tudor jewelery on eBay To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3CEDAFB3.3E0C304B@dandy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 08:16:07 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- leigh tartaglio wrote: > Hi. That item is made by Steve Millingham of www.pewterreplicas.com. > Check his site, it might be a better price. There is a pair of earrings > to go with it. Mike T. Mike, I already sent the link, and the name, and the info days ago... *laughs* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 24 10:27:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01187 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 10:27:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4OEI6C08850; Fri, 24 May 2002 08:18:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4OEI0L01572; Fri, 24 May 2002 08:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4OEHvL01545 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 08:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020524141756.38196.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 May 2002 15:17:56 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: weatherproofing & thin/drapey black wool To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <82.1bff1ce5.2a1e9e46@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:17:56 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Azelana@aol.com wrote: > > Scotchguard spray the hell out of whatevever your outer layer is -- cloak or > > coat. I used 3 coats initially, letting dry thoroughly between each coat, on > > my hooded cloak for LARPing. Then after every 3-day event where it rained, I > > spray it down with one coat once the outside is dry. Thanks Gillian, that's a super idea! *thwaps own forehead* Why did never think of it, instead of risking the good frabics just scotchguad the blooming cloak. I have a question though, does anyone know of a source (online preferrably) for soft thin drapey black wol? I only need a little bit, for an over-hood over the white linen one, itmustn't be too heavy because it squashes everything otherwise. Any deas? Nicole - hoping, coz she needs the wool soon ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 24 22:48:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04955 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 22:48:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4P2d4C06556; Fri, 24 May 2002 20:39:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4P2d1Q06455; Fri, 24 May 2002 20:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4P2clQ06411 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 20:38:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.8d.18d0ea23 (30960) for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 22:38:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.18d0ea23.2a20532c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: dying feathers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 22:38:36 EDT Status: RO OK I have a roommate who has successfully dyed feathers. Oh the advantages of growing up in the country and having a mother who is into dying. What they found to be the best method that kept the feather from becoming fuzzy was putting the dye solution in a spray bottle and spray your feathers. Do not get them really wet. She says it can take up to 6 or 7 sprayings to get the feathers to take the dye. The trick is you have to let it dry between the sprayings. Her mother found this in a milliners book. My housemate has done this so I am passing on how it worked for her. Good Luck Osmondia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 25 16:30:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04402 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 16:30:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4PKLBC08357; Sat, 25 May 2002 14:21:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4PKL3Q27557; Sat, 25 May 2002 14:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f51.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4PKINQ27093 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 14:18:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 25 May 2002 13:18:18 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 25 May 2002 20:18:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2002 20:18:18.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F10DA70:01C20429] Subject: [h-cost] Roman British cross-dressing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 13:18:18 -0700 Status: RO Now here's an interesting grave find. The cult of Cybele in the hinterlands. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-2-303373,00.html MaggiRos _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 25 18:12:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04693 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 18:12:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4PM42C11622; Sat, 25 May 2002 16:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4PM41Q18068; Sat, 25 May 2002 16:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns.misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4PM3aQ17977 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 16:03:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA31076 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 15:03:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3CF00B4E.3C0FEA16@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman British cross-dressing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 15:08:19 -0700 Status: RO To Maggie- Thanks for the fascinating article. Interesting about the leap, by the researchers, to "eunuch" from a male adorned in female jewelry - seems like a few intermediary steps were left out. Theresa Eacker Maggie Secara wrote: > > Now here's an interesting grave find. The cult of Cybele in the > hinterlands. > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-2-303373,00.html > > MaggiRos > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 25 19:50:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05036 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 19:50:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4PNg3C14539; Sat, 25 May 2002 17:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4PNg1Q08307; Sat, 25 May 2002 17:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4PNfMQ08137 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 17:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.175] (as3-4-189.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.175]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g4PNfKR04716 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 16:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3CF00B4E.3C0FEA16@misc.com> References: <3CF00B4E.3C0FEA16@misc.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman British cross-dressing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 16:39:59 -0700 Status: RO At 3:08 PM -0700 5/25/02, Theresa Eacker wrote: >To Maggie- > >Thanks for the fascinating article. Interesting about the leap, by the >researchers, to "eunuch" from a male adorned in female jewelry - seems >like a few intermediary steps were left out. Yes, although it's possible that they were left out of the article, but not out of the research. (E.g., there may be skeletal features that would be consistent with the conclusion.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 25 20:37:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05166 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 20:37:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4Q0T1C16242; Sat, 25 May 2002 18:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4Q0T0Q20003; Sat, 25 May 2002 18:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4Q0SuQ19974 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 18:28:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.12a.11b5216b (3928) for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 20:28:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.11b5216b.2a21863e@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] What I decided for feathers... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 20:28:46 EDT Status: RO Everyone, Thanks for the links. I ended up going with ostrichesonline.com. After realizing just how long it's been since I've bought feathers (and how much the price rose in the meantime) I decided I could never afford to make my fan as nice as I wanted it within my $100 dress budget. So I got creative. I found they sold dusters made of ostrich at that site in different sizes and handle materials, in natural black, grey, or white. The one I bought is a black-feathered duster with 10" plumes, pic at URL below.: http://www.ostrichesonline.com/pictures/duster/dust-ost-thb-45-blk-big.jpg There was also an option to buy dyed drab feathers for very cheap. I got some 9-10" drabs in bleached white (6 of those) and burgundy (7) for only 59 cents each, to have all three colors of my dress on the fan. (Although now they are listed as $1.03 each, so maybe it was a sale or they updated?). I figured I could fan the duster out on a pasteboard and add the dyed plumes to the outside to get something thick enough. Well, the order came last night, and I'm thrilled. The duster is actually _too full_ even without the extra plumes I bought, so I'll have a bunch of natural black feathers left over for something else. It also has a finished wooden handle that I like very much and will definitely keep on the fan, maybe just adding a gem here and there. The drabs are a fluffy 5-6 inches wide! Best feather I've ever bought for 59 cents! *smile* To tell you the truth, the 13 dyed drabs would have been enough to make a fan by themselves. Anyway, their customer service was very prompt and did exactly what I asked them, and even with 3-day priority shipping and express processing my total was only $30. So, I totally recommend them to you all. Time to go make my fan... --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat May 25 22:56:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05661 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 22:56:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4Q2l4C20300; Sat, 25 May 2002 20:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4Q2l1Q19481; Sat, 25 May 2002 20:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02bw.bigpond.com (mta02bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4Q2k1Q19279 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 20:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.69]) by mta02bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta02bw Feb 26 2002 03:44:21) with SMTP id GWP6CB00.GZE for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 12:45:52 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-92.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.92]) by bwmam01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0m 2/12470798); 26 May 2002 12:45:47 Message-ID: <3CF13BD1.9EBD898@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman British cross-dressing References: <3CF00B4E.3C0FEA16@misc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 12:47:29 -0700 Status: RO Heather Rose Jones wrote: > At 3:08 PM -0700 5/25/02, Theresa Eacker wrote: > >To Maggie- > > > >Thanks for the fascinating article. Interesting about the leap, by the > >researchers, to "eunuch" from a male adorned in female jewelry - seems > >like a few intermediary steps were left out. > > Yes, although it's possible that they were left out of the article, > but not out of the research. (E.g., there may be skeletal features > that would be consistent with the conclusion.) > A bit further down in the article it does actually say there is no firm evidence to support saying he was a eunuch except that he was buried with two pebbles in his mouth.... Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 26 04:45:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06952 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 04:45:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4Q8XBC00486; Sun, 26 May 2002 02:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4Q8X0Q18757; Sun, 26 May 2002 02:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4Q8WjQ18717 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 02:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-121-207.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.121.207]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AGQ31001; Sun, 26 May 2002 09:32:48 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <003601c20490$e04c6560$cf794ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3CF00B4E.3C0FEA16@misc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman British cross-dressing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 09:39:39 +0100 Status: RO >Yes, although it's possible that they were left out of the article, but not out of the research. (E.g., there may be skeletal features that would be consistent with the conclusion.) Archaeology is going away from the waffle in press releases & being more definate, it is more sexy & makes the news better :) As far as I've heard it was an assumption Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 26 13:53:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12891 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 13:53:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4QHi4C14832; Sun, 26 May 2002 11:44:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4QHi1Q23280; Sun, 26 May 2002 11:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4QHheQ23191 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 11:43:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.192.249] (as-5-7.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.192.249]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g4QHhc907222 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 10:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3CF13BD1.9EBD898@bigpond.com> References: <3CF00B4E.3C0FEA16@misc.com> <3CF13BD1.9EBD898@bigpond.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman British cross-dressing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 10:40:17 -0700 Status: RO At 12:47 PM -0700 5/26/02, Claire Clarke wrote: >Heather Rose Jones wrote: > >> At 3:08 PM -0700 5/25/02, Theresa Eacker wrote: >> >To Maggie- >> > >> >Thanks for the fascinating article. Interesting about the leap, by the >> >researchers, to "eunuch" from a male adorned in female jewelry - seems >> >like a few intermediary steps were left out. >> >> Yes, although it's possible that they were left out of the article, >> but not out of the research. (E.g., there may be skeletal features >> that would be consistent with the conclusion.) >> > >A bit further down in the article it does actually say there is no firm >evidence to support saying he was a eunuch except that he was buried with >two pebbles in his mouth.... > Which -- depending on the known context of pebble-in-mouth burials -- could be anything between a shaky guess and the equivalent of a tombstone saying "So-and-so the eunuch". (I'm not familiar with the literature on the topic, although I've noticed in passing several recent studies on eunuchs in Roman and sub-Roman Europe.) But it's much better than "we think he's a eunuch because otherwise why would he be buried with women's jewelry"! Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun May 26 14:11:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12963 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 14:11:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4QI21C15549; Sun, 26 May 2002 12:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4QI20Q26808; Sun, 26 May 2002 12:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4QI1FQ26587 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 12:01:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id LAA02896 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 26 May 2002 11:20:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200205261820.LAA02896@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] The roman transvestite Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 11:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Explorator just put out their latest issue. Here are _all_ the versions of the story that they could find: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1999000/1999734.stm http://www.itechnology.co.za/index.php?click_id=31&art_id=qw102198438146B 241&set_id=1 http://www.nandotimes.com/healthscience/story/409012p-3260401c.html http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020521/ap_on_re_eu/br itain_roman_eunuch_2 http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_592309.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,719756,00.html http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=588&art_id=qw102198438146B241&set _id=1 http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=humannews&StoryID=989180 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=2042615&thesection=new s&thesubsection=world Remember, links that wrap more than one line must be copied and pasted in pieces to get a working URL. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 03:09:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11141 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 03:09:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4R719C11527; Mon, 27 May 2002 01:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4R711Q15823; Mon, 27 May 2002 01:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns.misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4R708Q15723 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 01:00:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA17059 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 23:59:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3CF1DA8F.F4FD13A9@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The roman transvestite References: <200205261820.LAA02896@gw.retro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 00:04:50 -0700 Status: RO Thanks for the scads of news links!!! Theresa Eacker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 04:18:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11362 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 04:18:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4R892C13449; Mon, 27 May 2002 02:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4R891Q26919; Mon, 27 May 2002 02:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4R88YQ26839 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 02:08:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA19837.; Mon, 27 May 2002 09:08:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 27 May 2002 09:08:27 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather dying tips Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4R88YQ26839 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:08:18 +0100 Status: RO I have to ask this. folks, as it's a word that often crops up on the list. Everybody has been solemnly discussing "dying feathers", which looks really weird to me. Is the distinction between dying/dyeing not made in American English, or has everyone just been too polite to correct the spelling mistake? Yours pedantically :-) Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 05:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11463 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 05:07:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4R8x3C14427; Mon, 27 May 2002 02:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4R8x1Q05457; Mon, 27 May 2002 02:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4R8w1Q05252 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 02:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020527085801.27270.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 May 2002 09:58:01 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather dying tips To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:58:01 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > > weird to me. Is the distinction between dying/dyeing not made in American > English, or has everyone just been too polite to correct the spelling > mistake? > > Yours pedantically :-) *laughs* actually, that's really a challenge for any foreign English writer. I have made that exact same mistake over and over again and corrected it over and over again, because 'dying' when meaning 'dyeing' just looked too odd. I am still not sure if it is 'useable' or 'usable' ;-) I am intrigued to know too though, if there is a difference in American spelling, as is with such lovely words as centre and theatre. Nicole - shocked every time hearing Scully or Mulder saying 'duty' instead of 'djuty' :-))) It sounds so odd! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 05:39:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11542 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 05:39:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4R9V2C15156; Mon, 27 May 2002 03:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4R9V1Q09247; Mon, 27 May 2002 03:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4R9UBQ09085 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 03:30:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ACE3610F4C8 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 05:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <018001c20560$e647f530$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather dying tips MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 05:28:45 -0400 Status: RO The last time I corrected anyone's spelling, I was made to feel like the Spelling Police. As my lousy typing often overrides my excellent spelling, I don't bother anymore. I only freak out now when people insist on removing the second N from my name. Smiles Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 4:08 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather dying tips > I have to ask this. folks, as it's a word that often crops up on the list. > Everybody has been solemnly discussing "dying feathers", which looks really weird to me. Is the distinction between dying/dyeing not made in American English, or has everyone just been too polite to correct the spelling mistake? > > Yours pedantically :-) > > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 06:12:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11654 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 06:12:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4RA42C15781; Mon, 27 May 2002 04:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RA40Q14135; Mon, 27 May 2002 04:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RA3dQ14082 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 04:03:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jkale.public.srce.hr (st01-169.dialin.iskon.hr [213.202.66.170]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id g4RA38a20635 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 12:03:09 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020527120154.00a6f380@jagor.srce.hr> X-Sender: jkale@jagor.srce.hr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jadran Kale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] late Gothic/Renaissance stockade in Dalmatia Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:11:02 +0200 Status: RO Hello HCostume-Fellows, in addition to a previous announcement about Ren. portraits, web-presented at http://zupanija.sibenik.museum/portreti/portret-g01.html here is a stockade for the selected portraits - a "jpeg" picture and (rather big) "mpeg" video clip. Look at http://zupanija.sibenik.museum/izlozba.html Enjoy! Jadran Kale Zupanijski muzej, P.p.7, HR-22001 Sibenik Croatia: 385 (0) 22/ 213-880, fax 213-355 @ http://zupanija.sibenik.museum - - Sent with PINE 4.10 from CARNet - - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 09:14:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12754 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 09:14:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4RD62C19927; Mon, 27 May 2002 07:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RD60Q12959; Mon, 27 May 2002 07:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RD5TQ12858 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 07:05:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.213]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GWR00B88T1RL8@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 May 2002 06:51:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml6so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.150]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GWR00A49T1RNG@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 May 2002 06:51:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shaw.ca (h24-83-104-177.vf.shawcable.net [24.83.104.177]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GWR00HOHT1RXA@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 May 2002 06:51:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Shalazar Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather dying tips To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3CF21028.42E730CC@shaw.ca> Organization: Shalazar Creations MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1 (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: shalazar@shaw.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 03:53:28 -0700 Status: RO Well I first asked the question and looking back I did spell it right. However from the answers I got (none of which I can try yet, till I can afford the feathers) it would seem like dying or dead feathers is probably what I am going to get as a result of all my work. ;-) I had no idea they were so expensive and I do need quite a few plumes. I did find out that there is an Ostriche farm out in the valley near Vancouver so at least I now know enough to ask for male feathers. Then I am going to try spraying the colour (Canadian spelling ;) ) on first. That sounds easiest. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions, I saved them all. Shalazar. -- "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." - Douglas Adams (1952-2001) English novelist "Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph." ` -Haile Selassie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 11:48:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17506 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 11:48:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4RFe2C24965; Mon, 27 May 2002 09:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RFe0Q14658; Mon, 27 May 2002 09:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RFd9Q14457 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 09:39:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OkzY94f6GMrex8Iiq7NegYg="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G3TYA65R; Mon, 27 May 2002 11:38:19 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather dying tips Message-ID: <20020527.083657.-130785.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 08:15:29 +0000 Status: RO It's "dyeing" in American English too. :) Arlys "The Americans haven't spoken English for years!" - from My Fair Lady On Mon, 27 May 2002 09:08:18 +0100 "Kate M Bunting" writes: > I have to ask this. folks, as it's a word that often crops up on the > list. > Everybody has been solemnly discussing "dying feathers", which looks > really weird to me. Is the distinction between dying/dyeing not made > in American English, or has everyone just been too polite to correct > the spelling mistake? > > Yours pedantically :-) > > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 13:02:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17849 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 13:02:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4RGs6C27797; Mon, 27 May 2002 10:54:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RGs2Q00975; Mon, 27 May 2002 10:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RGrjQ00878 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 10:53:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.189.36.255] (HELO [192.168.1.103]) by dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 16914374 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 27 May 2002 12:51:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] What is a "corsage ornament"? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:53:52 -0400 Status: RO I recently got a book of Art Nouveau jewelry, and am puzzled about one of the terms. What is a "corsage ornament", and how does it differ, in construction or use, from a brooch? They often seem larger, but not always, which makes me suspect that the difference is in how they're worn- but I'd like to know more. Thanks! -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 13:42:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17975 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 13:42:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4RHY2C29186; Mon, 27 May 2002 11:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RHY1Q09603; Mon, 27 May 2002 11:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RHXoQ09553 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 11:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net ([10.116.0.123]) by scanmail3.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 27 May 2002 10:34:03 -0700 Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123] by scanmail3.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AE0B74B900F8; Mon, 27 May 2002 10:34:03 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Mon, 27 May 2002 10:34:02 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] What is a "corsage ornament"? Message-ID: <000001c205a4$c388e7e0$6501a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: h-costume@indra.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:34:32 -0500 Status: RO The "corsage" is simply the bodice of the dress, usually a separate piece from the skirt, but not necessarily. I haven't run across the term "corsage ornament" before. Let me know if you find out anything about it. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of sustre@pixelations.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 11:54 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] What is a "corsage ornament"? I recently got a book of Art Nouveau jewelry, and am puzzled about one of the terms. What is a "corsage ornament", and how does it differ, in construction or use, from a brooch? They often seem larger, but not always, which makes me suspect that the difference is in how they're worn- but I'd like to know more. Thanks! -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 14:49:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18267 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 14:48:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4RIe7C01978; Mon, 27 May 2002 12:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RIe0Q24031; Mon, 27 May 2002 12:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RIdpQ23996 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 12:39:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.150.e719944 (16338) for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 14:39:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Message-ID: <150.e719944.2a23d76e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is a "corsage ornament"? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_150.e719944.2a23d76e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:39:42 EDT Status: RO --part1_150.e719944.2a23d76e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as I know, a "corsage ornament" would be a piece of jewelry, like an ornate brooch, worn on the stomacher of the gown. Kathleen Norvell --part1_150.e719944.2a23d76e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as I know, a "corsage ornament" would be a piece of jewelry, like an ornate brooch, worn on the stomacher of the gown.

Kathleen Norvell --part1_150.e719944.2a23d76e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 18:51:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19165 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 18:51:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4RMh2C11554; Mon, 27 May 2002 16:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RMh0Q17042; Mon, 27 May 2002 16:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RMgkQ16987 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 16:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.3a.275bf432 (4012) for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 18:42:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <3a.275bf432.2a241059@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: dye-ing feathers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 18:42:33 EDT Status: RO << Everybody has been solemnly discussing "dying feathers", which looks really weird to me. Is the distinction between dying/dyeing not made in American English, or has everyone just been too polite to correct the spelling mistake? >> Sorry, Kate, I am dyslexic (really). I hit the spell-check, but since dying is a real word, it wasn't picked up. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 19:04:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19244 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 19:04:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4RMu0C12116; Mon, 27 May 2002 16:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RMu0Q19659; Mon, 27 May 2002 16:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4RMtSQ19567 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 16:55:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.88.18cb1a54 (4012) for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 18:55:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <88.18cb1a54.2a24134e@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] tip to rejuvenate feathers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 18:55:10 EDT Status: RO I just took an eyebrow brush to some of my less-attractive feathers from the duster and it made quite a difference! You might rejuvenate those drowned-rat looking ones the same way. Lay the feather on a smooth surface. Use the comb side of the brush to detangle if necessary, then brush outward from the feather shaft with the bristle side. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 21:02:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19614 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 21:02:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4S0s2C16260; Mon, 27 May 2002 18:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S0s1Q13766; Mon, 27 May 2002 18:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f207.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S0r0Q13570 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 18:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 May 2002 17:52:54 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2002 00:52:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] tip to rejuvenate feathers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2002 00:52:54.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[008243C0:01C205E2] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:52:54 -0700 Status: RO You can also try steam. Hold the feather over the steam from a tea kettle and, if it's not too far gone, it should perk up. This won't work if the feather is "burnt". What I'm looking for is a good way to clean turkey or chicken feathers that have gotten grimy. Just swishing them in Woolite doesn't seem to cut it. I have some "quill pens" (a ball point refill stuck in a feather) that have spent too much time outdoors in the dust and indoors near the kitchen. Any ideas? MaggiRos _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 21:02:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19615 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 21:02:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4S0sQC16294; Mon, 27 May 2002 18:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S0sPQ13840; Mon, 27 May 2002 18:54:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f207.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S0r0Q13569 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 18:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 May 2002 17:52:54 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2002 00:52:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] tip to rejuvenate feathers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2002 00:52:54.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[008243C0:01C205E2] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:52:54 -0700 Status: RO You can also try steam. Hold the feather over the steam from a tea kettle and, if it's not too far gone, it should perk up. This won't work if the feather is "burnt". What I'm looking for is a good way to clean turkey or chicken feathers that have gotten grimy. Just swishing them in Woolite doesn't seem to cut it. I have some "quill pens" (a ball point refill stuck in a feather) that have spent too much time outdoors in the dust and indoors near the kitchen. Any ideas? MaggiRos _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 21:11:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19651 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 21:11:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4S13DC16694; Mon, 27 May 2002 19:03:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S13DQ15768; Mon, 27 May 2002 19:03:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4S12YQ15637 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 19:02:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 985 invoked from network); 27 May 2002 23:58:07 -0000 Received: from ultra.sonic.net (208.201.224.22) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 27 May 2002 23:58:07 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-101-103.sonic.net [209.148.101.103]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g4S12Xt00895 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 18:02:33 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3CF2D806.CCC92CD2@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Mourning clothes for reenactment Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 18:06:14 -0700 Status: RO I know some of the American Civil War reenactors like to wear mourning. But do people like to wear it for other parts of the Victorian era? Thanks for any info, Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 21:52:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19841 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 21:52:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4S1iEC18199; Mon, 27 May 2002 19:44:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S1iDQ24387; Mon, 27 May 2002 19:44:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([63.89.206.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4MJpjL24991; Wed, 22 May 2002 13:51:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A72626A0234; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:53:10 -0500 Message-ID: <004901c201ca$4253b980$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Newsletter" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Student needs help Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 15:52:51 -0400 Status: RO There is a person who lives in the Dallas, Texas area who is wanting to take our Clone Yourself Paper Tape Dressform class that starts next week. The class requires that you have another person assist by putting the tape on them. She does not have another person to help her. So I am putting out a call to see if there is someone in the Dallas area who is willing to help her. Never know you might learn how to make one for yourself. Also this person has a masters in flat pattern drafting. If you think you can help her, please contact me personally at penny@costumegallery.com Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon May 27 21:53:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19846 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 21:53:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4S1i1C18183; Mon, 27 May 2002 19:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S1i0Q24336; Mon, 27 May 2002 19:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from inet-mail4.oracle.com (inet-mail4.oracle.com [148.87.2.204]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4LKf3L19727 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 14:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from inet-mail4.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet-mail4.oracle.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g4LKeHg09244 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (rgmgw4.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.13]) by inet-mail4.oracle.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g4LKeGo09216 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bperry_pc.oracle.com (dhcp-4op9-4op10-east-130-35-175-38.us.oracle.com [130.35.175.38]) by rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g4LKetp14089 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 14:40:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521134012.03beacc0@gmmail.oraclecorp.com> X-Sender: betsy.perry@gmmail.oraclecorp.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Elizabeth Hanes Perry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_105486609==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Folkwear reprints Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:41:08 -0700 Status: RO --=====================_105486609==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I sent a note to Earth Guild asking if the Poiret Cocoon Coat was being reprinted (No, dammit!), and here's the reply I got. >Reply-To: "catalog" >From: "catalog" >To: >Subject: folkwear >Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:48:18 -0400 >Organization: Earth Guild >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 > >Hello, > Thank you for your email. While it is true, Folkwear has a new owner; > it is not Earth Guild. There is a local person here in Asheville that > has purchased it, and is in process of reprinting some > patterns. Unfortunately that particular coat you speak of is not one of > them. We expect (7) reprinted patterns to be back in stock in the first > half of June 2002: >ptF113 Japanese Kimono; >ptF114 Chinese Jacket; >ptF119 Sarouelles; >ptF135 Jewels of India; >ptF139 Vietnamese Ao-Dai; >ptF207 Kinsale Cloak; >ptF264 Monte Carlo Dress. >If you have any other questions, please feel free to email us again or >call direct at 800-327-8448. >Thanks, >VG for Earth Guild Be well, do good work, and keep in touch. - G. Keillor Betsy Hanes Perry betsy.perry@oracle.com --=====================_105486609==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I sent a note to Earth Guild asking if the Poiret Cocoon Coat was being reprinted (No, dammit!), and here's the reply I got.


Reply-To: "catalog" <catalog@earthguild.com>
From: "catalog" <catalog@earthguild.com>
To: <betsy.perry@oracle.com>
Subject: folkwear
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:48:18 -0400
Organization: Earth Guild
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700

Hello,
 Thank you for your email.  While it is true, Folkwear has a new owner; it is not Earth Guild.  There is a local person here in Asheville that has purchased it, and is in process of reprinting some patterns.  Unfortunately that particular coat you speak of is not one of them. We expect (7) reprinted patterns to be back in stock in the first half of June 2002:
ptF113 Japanese Kimono;
ptF114 Chinese Jacket;
ptF119 Sarouelles;
ptF135 Jewels of India;
ptF139 Vietnamese Ao-Dai;
ptF207 Kinsale Cloak;
ptF264 Monte Carlo Dress.
If you have any other questions, please feel free to email us again or call direct at 800-327-8448.
Thanks,
VG for Earth Guild

Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.  - G. Keillor
Betsy Hanes Perry  betsy.perry@oracle.com --=====================_105486609==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 00:54:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20568 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 00:54:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4S4k3C24819; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S4k1Q09834; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S4jkQ09768 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.9f.27ce70b1 (30951) for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 00:45:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.27ce70b1.2a246572@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tip to rejuvenate feathers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 00:45:38 EDT Status: RO OK my roommate gave me an idea for this. Dry hair shampoo will work, just follow the directions. Another way is take paper bag put a layer of baking soda in it and then the feather. Shake bag and take feather out and brush it with another feather to remove the baking soda ... this will remove the grim from the feather. Then you can recondition it over steam to shape. The grim should come out with the baking soda. The advantages of having a housemate who was in FHA for years, Osmondia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 03:02:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16372 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 03:02:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4S6s5C28630; Tue, 28 May 2002 00:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S6s1Q04868; Tue, 28 May 2002 00:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S6r8Q04713 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 00:53:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([62.255.179.49]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020528065307.ETEF2755.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 07:53:07 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [h-cost] What is a "corsage ornament"? Message-ID: <3CF33762.9351.200CEC@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000001c205a4$c388e7e0$6501a8c0@kimathlon> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 07:53:06 +0100 Status: RO On 27 May 2002 at 12:34, Kim Baird wrote: > The "corsage" is simply the bodice of the dress, usually a separate > piece from the skirt, but not necessarily. > > I haven't run across the term "corsage ornament" before. Let me know if > you find out anything about it. I've heard the term used to describe a brooch-type thing designed to hold a small bunch of flowers, the bunch being described as a "corsage". Don't know if that would make sense in this context? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 04:14:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16625 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 04:14:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4S85AC08988; Tue, 28 May 2002 02:05:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S853Q25454; Tue, 28 May 2002 02:05:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S848Q25301 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 02:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KI97UNVRVK006YE4@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:07:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KI97ULTZWC013U5F@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:07:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 28 May 2002 09:01:48 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 28 May 2002 09:01:11 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.56) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:01:08 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spellings (WAS:Feather dying tips) In-reply-to: <200205271802.g4RI24Q15853@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <356471139D5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:01:07 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > > > weird to me. Is the distinction between dying/dyeing not made in > > American English, or has everyone just been too polite to correct > > the spelling mistake? > > > > Yours pedantically :-) > > *laughs* actually, that's really a challenge for any foreign English > writer. I have made that exact same mistake over and over again and > corrected it over and over again, because 'dying' when meaning > 'dyeing' just looked too odd. I am still not sure if it is 'useable' > or 'usable' ;-) I am intrigued to know too though, if there is a > difference in American spelling, as is with such lovely words as > centre and theatre. Speaking as someone who never learned to spell very well (couldn't read until I was eleven when they discovered that I'm *very* short sighted and never caught up to the spelling side of things) and with e-mail being such an "as and when" thing for me, I tend towards just typing the message and if it's not spelt quite right, as long as people can read it it's close enough. I don't have the time (nor the inclination, to look up every other word in a dictionary or to cut and paste everything from a WP doccument, where it could be run through a spell checker, into this e-mail system, where it could if the bloody thing would ever work, before sending it) There are differences in the use of English by Americans that irk me too, Kate - the use of "their" when they mean "they're", or "you" when they mean "your" or any number of others, for instance) but it's not going to change so I just skim over it, and leave the pedants to their own devices with my own spelling (and repeat typo) problems... Teddy (who doesn'#t mind correctins being made for incorrectly spelled words but has been annoyed in the past by American editors changing the spelling, and even the *words* used, in pieces he has written for international publications to the American usage and/or term because of the assumption that the *American* readers would find it easier to understand that way and everyone else will understand the American way because America is, of course, The World) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 04:23:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16638 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 04:23:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4S8D1C09177; Tue, 28 May 2002 02:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S8D0Q26837; Tue, 28 May 2002 02:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4S8CMQ26721 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 02:12:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020528081221.4049.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:12:21 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spellings (WAS:Feather dying tips) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <356471139D5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:12:21 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > Teddy > (who doesn'#t mind correctins being made for incorrectly spelled > words but has been annoyed in the past by American editors > changing the spelling, and even the *words* used, in pieces he has > written for international publications to the American usage and/or > term because of the assumption that the *American* readers > would find it easier to understand that way and everyone else will > understand the American way because America is, of course, The > World) *shakes head and snorts* That happened to me too! I even get mails from Americans saying that my web site's English isn't American English. EXACTLY!!!! I am so very proud to be European. Shush, the world is big, and there are lots of languages out there. Nicole - seriously typo-challenged and dyscalcic. ;-) ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 05:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16856 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 05:38:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4S9U4C11101; Tue, 28 May 2002 03:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S9U2Q08420; Tue, 28 May 2002 03:30:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4S9T9Q08184 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 03:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWT003J2ECKML@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 02:29:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is a "corsage ornament"? In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020528001531.00d76c30@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 00:24:26 -0700 Status: RO >I recently got a book of Art Nouveau jewelry, and am puzzled about one of >the terms. What is a "corsage ornament", and how does it differ, in >construction or use, from a brooch? They often seem larger, but not >always, which makes me suspect that the difference is in how they're worn- >but I'd like to know more. A "corsage ornament" is more like a permanent piece of decoration which belongs to one dress, in the same sense as a beaded applique the designer sewed on there. Victorian retail catalogs show "corsage ornaments" that are beaded, or lace, pieces which would be sewn on. To me, brooch implies that the piece didn't come with any one dress or wasn't designed to go with a specific dress. I believe I have seen Georgian "corsage ornaments" of jewelry, and I would assume they were sewn onto one dress rather than moved from dress to dress like a brooch. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 06:36:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17063 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 06:36:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SAS2C12368; Tue, 28 May 2002 04:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SAS1Q17397; Tue, 28 May 2002 04:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.53]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SARiQ17337 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 04:27:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.52.227.254] ([24.52.227.254]) by smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GWTH2201.Y8Y for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 06:27:38 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spellings (WAS:Feather dying tips) From: randl To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <356471139D5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 06:27:39 -0400 Status: RO > There are differences in the use of English by Americans that irk > me too, Kate - the use of "their" when they mean "they're", or "you" > when they mean "your" or any number of others, for instance) but > it's not going to change so I just skim over it, and leave the pedants > to their own devices with my own spelling (and repeat typo) > problems... the examples you've used are *not* examples of "american" english, they're examples of relying too much on the spell check and plain old lazy grammer. the words you've used mean the same thing on this side of the pond as on yours. laurie > Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 06:50:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17142 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 06:50:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SAg2C12682; Tue, 28 May 2002 04:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SAg1Q19572; Tue, 28 May 2002 04:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SAfRQ19458 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 04:41:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 608B710F3AE for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 06:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <029501c20633$fc42f320$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <356471139D5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spellings (WAS:Feather dying tips) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 06:39:42 -0400 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" <> There are differences in the use of English by Americans that irk > me too, Kate - the use of "their" when they mean "they're", or "you" > when they mean "your" or any number of others, for instance) Teddy, that is not an Americanism. It's incorrect over here, too. The other one that bugs the bejeebies out of me is the substitution of "loose" for "lose". I want to lose weight, not loose it. The problem is, many people spell phonetically, and that just doesn't work for English! LOL! Dianne also pedantic _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 07:33:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17296 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 07:33:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SBP2C13843; Tue, 28 May 2002 05:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SBP0Q26290; Tue, 28 May 2002 05:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SBOGQ26171 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 05:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWT00JW8JOEIR@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 04:24:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] tip to rejuvenate feathers In-reply-to: <9f.27ce70b1.2a246572@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020528041618.00da8ba0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 04:19:45 -0700 Status: RO >Another way is take paper bag put a layer of baking soda in it and then the >feather. Shake bag and take feather out and brush it with another feather to >remove the baking soda ... this will remove the grim from the feather. Then >you can recondition it over steam to shape. The grim should come out with >the baking soda. I was told to use corn starch, same method, same effect. Corn starch works for me. BTW, grim is like unhappy, and pronounced the same as Grimm fairy tales. (The two Grimm brothers collected fairy tales in the early 1800's.) Grime is the icky stuff you're trying get out of the feathers. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 07:33:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17300 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 07:33:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SBPGC13860; Tue, 28 May 2002 05:25:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SBPFQ26333; Tue, 28 May 2002 05:25:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SBOHQ26178 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 05:24:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWT00JW8JOEIR@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 04:24:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spellings (WAS:Feather dying tips) In-reply-to: <029501c20633$fc42f320$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020528042140.00da45c0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <356471139D5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 04:22:51 -0700 Status: RO >From: "Teddy" <> There are differences in the use of English by Americans >that irk > > me too, Kate - the use of "their" when they mean "they're", or "you" > > when they mean "your" or any number of others, for instance) > >Teddy, that is not an Americanism. It's incorrect over here, too. The other >one that bugs the bejeebies out of me is the substitution of "loose" for >"lose". I want to lose weight, not loose it. > >The problem is, many people spell phonetically, and that just doesn't work >for English! LOL! Since when is English phonetic? (I will save everyone here the rant about the state of American schools, or why my daughter can't spell.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 08:05:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17468 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:05:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SBv1C14687; Tue, 28 May 2002 05:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SBv0Q01766; Tue, 28 May 2002 05:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SBu7Q01591 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 05:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.fd.187dbffd (4561) for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 07:55:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning clothes for reenactment To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 07:55:58 EDT Status: RO Dear Fran, We are pre-Victorian--1800-1820. I made a mourning ensemble several years ago to wear when we did a funeral reenactment at Riversdale. (We actually did 3 years in a row before giving it a "rest".) I have worn it for interpretation with the Fort McHenry Guard, in Baltimore, too. The dress is based on the one Rosalie Stier Calvert wears in her portrait by Gilbert Stuart, when she was in mourning for her mother. The veil is based on one in an Ackermann's fashion plate. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 08:16:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17528 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:16:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SC80C15063; Tue, 28 May 2002 06:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SC80Q04300; Tue, 28 May 2002 06:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SC7rQ04273 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 06:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 00F8A10F3ED for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01c20640$0f418160$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <356471139D5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <4.3.1.2.20020528042140.00da45c0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spellings (WAS:Feather dying tips) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:06:12 -0400 Status: RO > >The problem is, many people spell phonetically, and that just doesn't work > >for English! LOL! > > Since when is English phonetic? (I will save everyone here the rant about > the state of American schools, or why my daughter can't spell.) That was my point. English is NOT phonetic, and yet many people persist in trying to spell phonetically. As for the state of American schools--well, I firmly believe that at least as far as spelling goes, it appears to be something inborn, like eye or hair color. You can, or you can't. You have brown eyes, or blue. I , on the other hand, had no use whatsoever for school once they had taught me to read. That was the only reason I wanted to go to school, and once I had learned that, I couldn't understand why my mother insisted I continue to go! I could have learned at least as much, if not more, simply turned loose in a library. (Except for one truly spectacular history teacher. One of the few people who was born to teach.) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 08:42:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17616 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:42:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SCY1C15809; Tue, 28 May 2002 06:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SCY0Q09125; Tue, 28 May 2002 06:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SCXJQ08992 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 06:33:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25769.; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:32:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:32:23 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: dye-ing feathers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4SCXJQ08992 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:31:50 +0100 Status: RO Honestly, I wasn't meaning to criticise any particular person. I've seen so many references to "dying fabric" on this list in the past that I'd begun to wonder if it was correct usage across the pond. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> Azelana@aol.com 05/27/02 11:42pm >>> << Everybody has been solemnly discussing "dying feathers", which looks really weird to me. Is the distinction between dying/dyeing not made in American English, or has everyone just been too polite to correct the spelling mistake? >> Sorry, Kate, I am dyslexic (really). I hit the spell-check, but since dying is a real word, it wasn't picked up. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 09:28:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17794 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:28:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SDK2C17667; Tue, 28 May 2002 07:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SDK0Q19369; Tue, 28 May 2002 07:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SDJuQ19336 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 07:19:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09144 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:41:59 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spellings (WAS:Feather dying tips) In-Reply-To: <356471139D5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:41:59 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Tue, 28 May 2002, Teddy wrote: > There are differences in the use of English by Americans that irk me > too, Kate - the use of "their" when they mean "they're", or "you" > when they mean "your" or any number of others, for instance) Those are considered wrong in America, too. We just seem to have a lot of people who never learned how to get it right. Which is why I make a living. --Robin, editor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 10:17:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22026 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:17:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SE81C20288; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SE80Q04071; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SE7SQ03882 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:07:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.3c.1ed59074 (4440) for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:07:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.1ed59074.2a24e914@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning clothes for reenactment To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3c.1ed59074.2a24e914_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:07:16 EDT Status: RO --part1_3c.1ed59074.2a24e914_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/28/2002 7:57:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > We are pre-Victorian--1800-1820. I made a mourning ensemble several years > ago to wear when we did a funeral reenactment at Riversdale. (We actually > did 3 years in a row before giving it a "rest".) I have worn it for > interpretation with the Fort McHenry Guard, in Baltimore, too. The dress > is > based on the one Rosalie Stier Calvert wears in her portrait by Gilbert > Stuart, when she was in mourning for her mother. The veil is based on one > in > an Ackermann's fashion plate. > Y'know, mourning is great for the Civil War because everybody seems to have lost SOMEBODY.....a husband, father, uncle, brother, someone....and it can be a great character dress, especially in the South where hard times has women overdying patterned gowns with black walnut husk dye....y'know good character stuff. But of course everybody looses someone in time of war, not to mention children all the time before antibiotics and stuff like that. Bustle mourning can be very striking, but we don't want to look like Queen Victoria on the Bombay gin bottle, do we? It seems a good idea to have some mourning stuff if one reenacts any war. BTW, didn't Worth make up everything in black taffeta 1st? What a clever man. --part1_3c.1ed59074.2a24e914_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/28/2002 7:57:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes:


We are pre-Victorian--1800-1820.  I made a mourning ensemble several years
ago to wear when we did a funeral reenactment at Riversdale.  (We actually
did 3 years in a row before giving it a "rest".)  I have worn it for
interpretation with the Fort McHenry Guard, in Baltimore, too.  The dress is
based on the one Rosalie Stier Calvert wears in her portrait by Gilbert
Stuart, when she was in mourning for her mother.  The veil is based on one in
an Ackermann's fashion plate.


Y'know, mourning is great for the Civil War because everybody seems to have lost SOMEBODY.....a husband, father, uncle, brother, someone....and it can be a great character dress, especially in the South where hard times has women overdying patterned gowns with black walnut husk dye....y'know good character stuff.

But of course everybody looses someone in time of war, not to mention children all the time before antibiotics and stuff like that. Bustle mourning can be very striking, but we don't want to look like Queen Victoria on the Bombay gin bottle, do we?

It seems a good idea to have some mourning stuff if one reenacts any war.

BTW, didn't Worth make up everything in black taffeta 1st? What a clever man. --part1_3c.1ed59074.2a24e914_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 10:55:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26193 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:55:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SEl2C23400; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SEl1Q20707; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from niobium.golden.net (niobium.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SEksQ20658 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (AS53-01-153.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.153]) by niobium.golden.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id g4SEkqi08185 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002801c20657$37422b80$9907d1d8@d7k7b6> From: "Five Rivers" To: "Historic Costume List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] farthingale Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Five Rivers" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:47:01 -0400 Status: RO Just received the latest Mantua-Maker pattern. It's great. Great pattern, documentation, engineering and cover art. This is a 1480-1600 Spanish Farthingale. A perfect compliment to the Quilted Bodies (released last month), and the Spanish Loose Gown, the farthingale is a hooped petticoat worn over the chemise and bodies, under a kirtle and gown. This great new pattern features a back closure with soft hoop arrangement as well as a side closure with stiff hoop arrangement. Approximately 4' in diameter, with rope or hoop wire options. Comes complete with variations and decoration ideas, great historical documentation and the standard fabulous sewing instructions and engineering. Sized petite to x-large inclusive. Check it out on our website. Very excited about this one. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 11:04:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26238 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 11:04:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SEu1C24161; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SEu1Q24896; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SEtGQ24530 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:55:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ar-005nvlvegp207.dialsprint.net ([168.191.204.119] helo=[0019381808]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17CiNT-0002xQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:55:11 -0400 From: "Katherine" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spellings (WAS:Feather dying tips) Message-ID: <3CF33884.19410.188520@localhost> Priority: normal References: <200205271802.g4RI24Q15853@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: <356471139D5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: kcg@sprynet.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 07:57:56 -0700 Status: RO > There are differences in the use of English by Americans that irk > me too, Kate - the use of "their" when they mean "they're", or "you" when > they mean "your" or any number of others, for instance) but it's not going > to change so I just skim over it, and leave the pedants to their own > devices with my own spelling (and repeat typo) problems... > That's not an American problem! That's a bad grammar problem! It annoys me just as much when the inncorrect their/there/they're is used as it annoys you I'm sure! Of course, I've also read so many books with British spellings that a constant comment on my papers at school was "use American spellings." I can't keep them straight. Katherine "I go by-by." Alexandra Feodorovna, last empress of Russia, in a letter to her husband, Nicholas II _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 11:10:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26271 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 11:10:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SF20C24653; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SF20Q27701; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12805.mail.yahoo.com (web12805.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4SF1RQ27435 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:01:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020528150127.21871.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.18.199.151] by web12805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:01:27 PDT From: Truly Biggs Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather dyeing tips To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3CF21028.42E730CC@shaw.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Hello everyone, I am the one who originally misspelled dyeing. My apologies. I too, have my own list of pet-peeve spelling and grammar issues: your when it should be you're object's when they should be objects to when it should be too lay when it should be lie others du jour So I am quite embarrassed to have pushed others' buttons by my own error. For all the grammar issues I have, I am sorry to say that I have never been an excellent speller. Something else to work on, Truly __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 11:24:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26335 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 11:24:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SFG1C26395; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SFG1Q05086; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx1.famvid.com (a.mx.famvid.com [208.16.68.101] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4SFFCQ04627 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 10002 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 15:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jeanne) (207.40.100.30) by mx1.famvid.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 15:14:11 -0000 Message-ID: <011901c2065a$d092cc60$1e6428cf@jeanne> From: "Jeanne Harney" To: References: <20020528150127.21871.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather dyeing tips MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:17:42 -0400 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Truly Biggs" > I too, have my own list of pet-peeve spelling and grammar issues: > > your when it should be you're > object's when they should be objects > to when it should be too > lay when it should be lie > others du jour > > So I am quite embarrassed to have pushed others' buttons by my own error. > For all the grammar issues I have, I am sorry to say that I have never > been an excellent speller. With me, the most glaring are site for cite, tounge for tongue, and the use of an apostrophe on the end of EVERY plural word. Apostrophe does NOT mean "look out, here comes an S!". I'd like to say that the non-English speaking people on this list consistently amaze me in their command of the language. I speak 8 languages, 3 fluently, and I have an extremely difficult time emailing in anything other than English. Add in the vagaries of keyboards not meant for other character-sets, and it's a wonder anyone manages to communicate. Jeanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 11:30:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26367 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 11:30:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SFM2C27257; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SFM1Q08629; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g4SFLEt08178 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:21:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather dyeing tips Message-ID: <20020528092112.A6684@net.indra.com> References: <20020528150127.21871.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com> <011901c2065a$d092cc60$1e6428cf@jeanne> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <011901c2065a$d092cc60$1e6428cf@jeanne> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:21:13 -0600 Status: RO Okay, even though this is hitting my own buttons on proper English usage, this is extremely off-topic, so please wrap it up. Thanks. ...eliz, list admin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 11:36:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26379 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 11:36:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SFR1C27844; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SFR1Q11361; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4SFQIQ11053 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:26:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020528152618.73723.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:26:18 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:26:18 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Is it just me, or does it seem that there hasn't been a big conversation on costumes going on this list for ages? It seems as if the list has/is dying a slow death somehow. The only time I saw a flurry of posts was in the latest flame war, during the time when I just signed back up. I am wondering, is it a case? is it going to be buried or is there hope? I would post a lot more but hey, no one seems to be interested in the period that I am interested in and it seems a waste of time/effort/bandwidth trying to talk about 1660-1715 unless there are people who are actually interested. Prove me wrong, folks, please! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 12:24:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26620 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:24:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SGG4C03537; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SGG2Q10761; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SGF2Q10166 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:15:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA10442.; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:14:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:13:25 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning clothes for reenactment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4SGF2Q10166 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:13:03 +0100 Status: RO Not Victorian, but I wear a semi-opaque black veil with my "best" 1640s dress to cover the fact that my very thick, dead-straight hair has to be kept off my face with a lot of kirby-grips. I have been asked if it is mourning wear, but it isn't. An article in the catalogue to last year's "Rembrandt's women" exhibition in London confirms that black veils were sometimes worn and are neither bridal nor mourning. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 12:37:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26678 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:37:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SGT5C04838; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:29:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SGT4Q18276; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:29:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SGSvQ18198 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:28:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g4SGUe712031 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200205281630.g4SGUe712031@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? In-Reply-To: <20020528152618.73723.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> "from N Kipar at May 28, 2002 04:26:18 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Nicole I'm very interested! I reall wanted to make a 1660 dress this year for a costumed event (with the GBACG) but then I realized I wouldn't be able to attend, so I didn't even start it. But still, I fell in love with the shape and I would love to read more from you, anytime! -- heather meadows www.wonderland.com www.sewhipithurts.com > I would post a lot more but hey, no one seems to be interested in the period > that I am interested in and it seems a waste of time/effort/bandwidth trying to > talk about 1660-1715 unless there are people who are actually interested. > > Prove me wrong, folks, please! > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 13:06:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26772 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:06:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SGw3C08827; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:58:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SGw1E01581; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f179.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.179]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SGv8E00975 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:57:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:57:03 -0700 Received: from 24.200.48.35 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:57:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2002 16:57:03.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[B10363B0:01C20668] Subject: [h-cost] English Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:57:03 +0000 Status: RO >I'd like to say that the non-English speaking people on this list >consistently amaze me in their command of the language. I speak 8 >languages, 3 fluently, and I have an extremely difficult time emailing >in anything other than English. Add in the vagaries of keyboards not >meant for other character-sets, and it's a wonder anyone manages to >communicate. Ehehe well, English and French use the same characters... just add a few for French, so typing for me is not a problem. I wonder how it is for keyboards meant for entirely different character set though... Okay, typing was not a problem... but learning to read pattern instructions in English, THAT was a challenge!!! :-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 13:58:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27099 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:58:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SHoBC15187; Tue, 28 May 2002 11:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SHo1E01243; Tue, 28 May 2002 11:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SHnkE01080 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 11:49:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.a6.26bc0a99 (4462) for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:49:39 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] English To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a6.26bc0a99.2a251d32_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:49:38 EDT Status: RO --part1_a6.26bc0a99.2a251d32_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/28/2002 12:58:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, audreybmorin2@hotmail.com writes: > ... but learning to read pattern instructions > in English, THAT was a challenge!!! :-) > Beware of the following phrases: "Turn and Press" ----3 little words, yes, but often hours of tedium! "Ease" ----sounds "ease-y" no? but getting that 1 1/2" spread out over the entire armseye and still having it look good is a bitch! BE NOT DECEIVED --part1_a6.26bc0a99.2a251d32_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/28/2002 12:58:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, audreybmorin2@hotmail.com writes:


... but learning to read pattern instructions
in English, THAT was a challenge!!! :-)


Beware of the following phrases:

"Turn and Press"  ----3 little words, yes, but often hours of tedium!

"Ease" ----sounds "ease-y" no? but getting that 1 1/2" spread out over the entire armseye and still having it look good is a bitch!

BE NOT DECEIVED --part1_a6.26bc0a99.2a251d32_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 14:00:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27118 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:00:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SHq2C15369; Tue, 28 May 2002 11:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SHq1E02425; Tue, 28 May 2002 11:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (root@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu [128.200.119.150]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SHpOE02058 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 11:51:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from UAOBRIEN.uci.edu (HIB435A.HNET.UCI.EDU [128.200.119.223]) by benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id KAA12693 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020528105141.01bc2f30@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> X-Sender: uaobrien@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" Subject: Re: [h-cost] tip to rejuvenate feathers In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020528041618.00da8ba0@mail.frys.com> References: <9f.27ce70b1.2a246572@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:54:02 -0700 Status: RO At 04:19 AM 5/28/2002, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >>Another way is take paper bag put a layer of baking soda in it and then the >>feather. Shake bag and take feather out and brush it with another feather to >>remove the baking soda ... this will remove the grim from the feather. Then >>you can recondition it over steam to shape. The grim should come out with >>the baking soda. > >I was told to use corn starch, same method, same effect. Corn starch >works for me. The one that works well for silk flowers is ordinary table salt. I haven't tried it on feathers, but it works a treat on the flowers. Ulrika O'Brien English & Comparative Literature University of California, Irvine 435 Humanities Instructional Building (949) 824-6712 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 14:11:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27152 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:11:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SI33C16711; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:03:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SI31E09298; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SI18E07958 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 17CkOY-00004h-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:04:26 -0400 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? spelling and Moroccan outfit question(long) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020528152618.73723.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:11:25 -0400 Status: RO OK, Last quip on the spelling. I was absolutely amazed when my then second grade stepdaughter brought home a paper where she had written "throw" instead of "through", but the teacher crossed out her "throw" and wrote "thru" on top of it. And people wonder what is wrong with the American school system. Back to topic (sort of)- I was watching "Trading Spaces" last night and one episode had the host wearing a Moroccan caftan that was beautiful. It was a dark royal blue with white trim, over slim pants. The trim looked like soutache (yep, looked up the spelling on a pack I have around the house) wound in circles about two inches across like a spiral, and in between the circles was a three-pointed looped tree-like thing pointing towards the hem. This trim was on the neckline, both wrists, and a strip across the upper abdomen where it looked like it was gathered slightly. I looked at a caftan my mother brought me back from Morocco years ago (made of polyester unfortunately)and that one was simple caftan style, like a large rectangle folded over at the shoulders and simple seamed up the sides. This one I saw on the TV last night definitely had at least partial sleeves as there was definitely a wrist to put the trim on. There were also wrinkles on the side of the dress that looked like it was cut wide. Also, I was unaware that pants were worn with this sort of dress. The pants and the lower hem had a very narrow white trim I did not get a good look at. Of course, I wanted the host to stand still for a moment and put her arms out so I could study the outfit, but she did not oblige. Anyone have a link to a line drawing or possible construction for this type of outfit? -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:26 AM To: H-Costume Subject: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? Is it just me, or does it seem that there hasn't been a big conversation on costumes going on this list for ages? It seems as if the list has/is dying a slow death somehow. The only time I saw a flurry of posts was in the latest flame war, during the time when I just signed back up. I am wondering, is it a case? is it going to be buried or is there hope? I would post a lot more but hey, no one seems to be interested in the period that I am interested in and it seems a waste of time/effort/bandwidth trying to talk about 1660-1715 unless there are people who are actually interested. Prove me wrong, folks, please! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 14:30:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27255 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:30:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SIM2C18558; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SIM0E20037; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12807.mail.yahoo.com (web12807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4SILvE20019 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:21:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020528163516.82094.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.18.199.196] by web12807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:35:16 PDT From: Truly Biggs To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020528092112.A6684@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Farewell : ) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Hello everyone, In the attampt to not seem that I am slinking away - or leaving in a huff for any reason (I hate it when that happens)- I am writing to say thank you all for your input on my questions over the last few weeks. I have asked to be removed from this list.(I promise-I am not upset. This list was just not quite what I was looking for and I will keep searching!) You all seem like wonderfully talented individuals, and I would love to speak with any of you in person. Keep making beautiful things! Feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Trulinor@yahoo.com Truly Biggs __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 15:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27546 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:13:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SJ52C24695; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJ50E16242; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJ4ME15897 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:04:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWU00C414Z8ZC@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:04:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? In-reply-to: <20020528152618.73723.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020528113905.00c2f230@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:54:14 -0700 Status: RO >I would post a lot more but hey, no one seems to be interested in the period >that I am interested in and it seems a waste of time/effort/bandwidth >trying to >talk about 1660-1715 unless there are people who are actually interested. I am interested in that period, but it seems there are no re-enactment groups that do it around here. I almost did a 1660-ish once - the one with the bodice point that goes down halfway to the knees. I thought it was the prettiest dress in the costume book. >Prove me wrong, folks, please! I find myself sewing less these days, probably because I am earning way less. I have just come back from 4 days at a science fiction convention (I was a guest so they fed me), but I was unable to afford to make any new costume which required buying fabric. I was asked to be a costume judge there, but I had to wear something I had already made, something people had already seen (oh, the ego-blow of that). In fact, the only new things I wore were scrap projects, made from stuff I already had. When the economy heats up, people will have time/money to spend on this pastime. I'm still unemployed, so all I have is the time. My last big costume project was covered with historical embroidery, because all it took was time. I'd love to prove you wrong... Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 15:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27654 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:26:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SJI2C26741; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJI1E23349; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJH5E22766 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:17:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4SJH3JJ022243 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:17:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather dying tips In-Reply-To: <20020527085801.27270.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mon, 27 May 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > *laughs* actually, that's really a challenge for any foreign English writer. I > have made that exact same mistake over and over again and corrected it over and > over again, because 'dying' when meaning 'dyeing' just looked too odd. I am > still not sure if it is 'useable' or 'usable' ;-) > I am intrigued to know too though, if there is a difference in American > spelling, as is with such lovely words as centre and theatre. As far as I know, the only correct American spelling is "dyeing", and people who are spelling it without the "e" are misspelling it. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 15:30:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27680 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:30:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SJM1C27162; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJM1E25750; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f235.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.235]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJLOE25384 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:21:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:21:19 -0700 Received: from 207.137.181.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:21:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.137.181.62] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spellings (WAS:Feather dying tips) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2002 19:21:19.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[D83887D0:01C2067C] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:21:19 -0700 Status: RO Those aren't "American usages", Teddy. They're just mistakes. I know the difference between they're/there/their, to/two/too, and your/you're but my fingers often pick one at random. I thought we agreed long ago not to badger people over what are clearly typos in e-mail. Asking for clarification because of spelling is one thing, characterizing a typing error as a spelling error (and character flaw) is another. MaggiRos >From: Teddy >There are differences in the use of English by Americans that irk >me too, Kate - the use of "their" when they mean "they're", or "you" >when they mean "your" or any number of others, for instance) but >it's not going to change so I just skim over it, and leave the pedants >to their own devices with my own spelling (and repeat typo) >problems... > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 15:39:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27718 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:39:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SJV9C28158; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJV8E01179; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJUpE00987 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:30:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4SJUnJJ024172 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:30:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3a.275bf432.2a241059@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Dyeing/dying Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mon, 27 May 2002 Azelana@aol.com wrote: > Sorry, Kate, I am dyslexic (really). I hit the spell-check, but since dying > is a real word, it wasn't picked up. > > --Gillian My hubby has this problem, too. He is a whiz at mathematical problems, but can't spell, so he relies on his computer's spell-checker to catch things for him. Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't bother to alert him to this kind of problem! He says WordPerfect used to ask you about 'iffy' words (would give a prompt with the proper context), but Bill Gates's products are so ubiquitous now... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 15:48:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27765 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:48:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SJe2C29048; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJe1E06650; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14503.mail.yahoo.com (web14503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.66]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4SJdWE06385 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:39:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020528193932.26376.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.159.10] by web14503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:39:32 PDT From: Wolfcat Hall Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020528152618.73723.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Nicole, I would ask more questions of you about your time period, but I don't even know where to begin! Most of my books are focused on the medieval period right now, except for three (don't laugh anyone): _The Mode in Costume_ by R. Turner Wilcox, Doreen Yarwood's fashion book and the Theatrical Costume Patterns by Holkeboer (the first edition). Not exactly the greatest pieces to form intelligent questions from! I remember drooling over the pictures you posted last year (was it that long ago?) and the conversations between you and Bjarne--I even sent the posts to my best friend and sewing co-conspirator. Jonnalyhn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 15:51:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27795 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:51:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SJgCC29287; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJgBE08100; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:42:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJfRE07561 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:41:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4SJfPJJ025732 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:41:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning clothes for reenactment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ok, what's a "kirby grip"? And when _did_ people start wearing mourning clothes? I know that Anne Buck mentions mourning clothes in her book on 18th Century English costume (the exact title escapes me)... -- Mara On Tue, 28 May 2002, Kate M Bunting wrote: > Not Victorian, but I wear a semi-opaque black veil with my "best" 1640s dress to cover the fact that my very thick, dead-straight hair has to be kept off my face with a lot of kirby-grips. I have been asked if it is mourning wear, but it isn't. An article in the catalogue to last year's "Rembrandt's women" exhibition in London confirms that black veils were sometimes worn and are neither bridal nor mourning. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 16:02:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27848 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:02:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SJs2C00725; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJs1E14997; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJrAE14508 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:53:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4SJr9JJ027281 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:53:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020528113905.00c2f230@mail.frys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tue, 28 May 2002, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > When the economy heats up, people will have time/money to spend on this > pastime. I'm still unemployed, so all I have is the time. My last big > costume project was covered with historical embroidery, because all it took > was time. > > I'd love to prove you wrong... That's certainly part of it... Personally, I don't have the money concerns so much as lack of time for email. In the past three months, I made a linen gown, a linen jacket, a couple of aprons, a new petticoat, a pair of woolen breeches, some caps, am working on some shirts for a friend's two boys (machine-sewn, except for the finishing) and another shirt (hand-sewn) as a 'thank-you' for another friend. AND also ripped out the carpet and laid hardwood flooring in the master bedroom and living room of my house, and worked in my garden, and painted the walls in the aforementioned rooms... This is part of an ongoing project to redecorate the house and remove the carpets, since my allergies are getting worse. I promise, I _will_ post pics of the gown, at least, one of these days! Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 16:02:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27852 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:02:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SJsFC00772; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:54:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJsEE15161; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJrWE14720 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA16950.; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:53:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:53:26 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning clothes for reenactment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4SJrWE14720 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:53:21 +0100 Status: RO >>> lindo@Radix.Net 05/28/02 08:41pm >>> >Ok, what's a "kirby grip"? Do you call them "bobby pins"? >And when _did_ people start wearing mourning clothes? I didn't mean that people didn't wear mourning in the 17th century, just that black didn't necessarily have that connotation. I think it was only in the 19th century that there were elaborate rules for mourning dress Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 16:07:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27868 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:07:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SJx1C01303; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJx1E17861; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rapidash.its.hawaii.edu (rapidash.its.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.83]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SJw4E17299 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail.hawaii.edu by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.4 (built Apr 12 2002)) id <0GWU007016WKD8@mail.hawaii.edu>; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:55:02 -1000 (HST) Received: from uhunix2 (uhunix2.its.hawaii.edu [128.171.44.7]) by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.4 (built Apr 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GWU00A9X7AXZS@mail.hawaii.edu>; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:54:33 -1000 (HST) From: Jan McEwen In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20020528113905.00c2f230@mail.frys.com> X-X-Sender: To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] ECW period Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:54:33 -1000 (HST) Status: RO Nicole, I'm not very familiar with the Restoration period, but I am very interested in the period preceding (English Civil War in England, musketeer period in France). Do you know much about the transition of fashion between the two periods? I've asked Penny (Costume Classroom) if she could do a class on ECW fashions. She doesn't know of anyone who could teach it, so if anyone out there is willing, please get in touch! Jan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan McEwen, Urban Horticulturist, Urban Garden Center, Pearl City, Hawaii Hawaii Cooperative Extension Service University of Hawaii/College of Tropical Agriculture and Human Resources SCA: Catriona Stewart of the Glens, Barony of the Western Seas, Caid Internet: jmcewen@hawaii.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 16:19:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27906 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:19:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SKB3C02730; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SKB1E25010; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SKAWE24739 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:10:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id NAA02799 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 13:29:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200205282029.NAA02799@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Beware of the following phrases: > > "Turn and Press" ----3 little words, yes, but often hours of tedium! Yeah, the words that make me start rethinking if I _really_ need a double circle skirt for a dance costume. ;} > "Ease" ----sounds "ease-y" no? but getting that 1 1/2" spread out over the > entire armseye and still having it look good is a bitch! ARGH! I bought myself a dressmaker's ham to help with that and I _still_ have problems. I'm convinced that a lot of commercial patterns have way, way too much "ease" in the sleeve cap. Especially the ones that want all that ease in a 3" space at the top of the armscrye. This is one of those things (along with fabric yardage requirements) that will have me writing "LIE!" on the pattern instructions. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 16:21:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27922 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:21:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SKD2C02933; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SKD1E26145; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SKCNE25838 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:12:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.15f.e5b56bd (4572) for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:12:06 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <15f.e5b56bd.2a253e96@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning clothes for reenactment To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:12:06 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/28/2002 10:08:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: << BTW, didn't Worth make up everything in black taffeta 1st? What a clever man. >> I read a novel about Worth once. Not sure how factual it was. According to that writer, Worth first made up things in black because his then girlfriend (and later wife) was a salesgirl, and salesgirls were expected to wear black. If someone knows differently, I would love to hear it. By the way, Rosalie Stier Calvert, who lived at Riversdale, lost 4 of 9 children--2 in one week from what was most likely diphtheria. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 16:25:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27937 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:25:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SKH7C03343; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:17:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SKH3E28245; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SKGdE28043 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [132.236.139.158] ([132.236.139.158]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21169 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: To: h-costume@indra.com From: "M. Stewart" Subject: [h-cost] Mourning clothes for 1500's Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:30:19 -0700 Status: RO Mourning clothes were worn by Mary QofScots after the death of her first husband. Gowns listed are purple, black (for deepest mourning), white and grey. I'll try to track down the resource where I found this. Mari Mari Stewart, Cornell University, Ithaca NY. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 16:59:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28119 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:59:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SKp3C06739; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SKp0E16760; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SKoKE16399 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.197.79543dc (17232) for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:50:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <197.79543dc.2a25477b@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_197.79543dc.2a25477b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Subject: [h-cost] Portuguese Clothing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:50:03 EDT Status: RO --part1_197.79543dc.2a25477b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings All! I am looking for examples of Portuguese clothing from about 1450 to 1600. I have seen the Isabel of Portugal portraits and surprisingly, I found a drawing in the Christopher Weidtz book. I was wondering if anyone knew of any of other sources. Thanks in advance, Kit --part1_197.79543dc.2a25477b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings All!

I am looking for examples of Portuguese clothing from about 1450 to 1600.  I have seen the Isabel of Portugal portraits and surprisingly, I found a drawing in the Christopher Weidtz book.  I was wondering if anyone knew of any of other sources.

Thanks in advance,
Kit --part1_197.79543dc.2a25477b_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 17:02:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28156 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:02:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SKs1C07058; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SKs0E18297; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SKrrE18240 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:53:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-125-53.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.125.53]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AGS24045; Tue, 28 May 2002 21:53:56 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <04b701c2068a$c3756760$ec654ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyeing/dying MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:00:30 +0100 Status: RO >He says WordPerfect used to ask you about 'iffy' words (would give a prompt with the proper context), but Bill Gates's products are so ubiquitous now... I'm dyslexic too & recommend Wordperfect over Word & set you font to Arial Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 17:12:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28200 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:12:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SL41C07872; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SL40E23439; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SL3IE23069 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:03:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWU00C30AHEZ2@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:03:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spellings (WAS:Feather dying tips) In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020528134933.00d2e100@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:49:54 -0700 Status: RO >Those aren't "American usages", Teddy. They're just mistakes. I know the >difference between they're/there/their, to/two/too, and your/you're but my >fingers often pick one at random. And the spell checker can't tell which one you meant. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 18:26:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28543 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:26:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SMI3C21984; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:18:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SMI2E10005; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SMH8E09420 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 57006 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:17:01 -0400 Message-ID: <007301c20695$54e85040$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] dyeing wool Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:16:35 -0500 Status: RO I recently picked up some women's wool suits from local garage sales with the idea of dyeing them and using in doublets, as trim, etc. However, it seems as though the fabric has been treated with something? It is NOT taking dye at all! Has anyone else come across anything like this? Is there anything I can do, or am I stuck with turquoise green and electric blue pieces of wool? ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 18:55:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28695 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:55:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SMl2C24669; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SMl1E24869; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta04ps.bigpond.com (mta04ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SMksE24822 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.69]) by mta04ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GWUF9Z00.8PL for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:46:47 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-26.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.26]) by PSMAM01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0m 65/7454113); 29 May 2002 08:46:47 Message-ID: <3CF4F855.9114A9C3@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Fitting questions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:48:37 -0700 Status: RO Well here are some questions I have been musing on for a while since people are complaing about no on topic discussions.... 1. Is there a particular fitting technique to overcome the problem of a lopsided bosom? ie one side bigger than the other. It's not something that makes much of a difference in modern clothes, but in a relatively low cut, especially square neck, tight bodice I find it does. The neckline tends to get pulled a bit out of shape and and when most of the mass of the breast is pushed up or flattened the size difference is more noticeable. Or is this just one of those 'fiddle till you get it right' thing? 2. I would appreciate some advice from corsetting gurus about how not to look like a cylinder in a pre-Victorian corset, if it is at all possible. I am rather short waisted and quite hour-glass shaped. The waist of the corset is limited by my ribcage which ends about an inch above my hip bone. My breasts are quite squishy and tend to flatten really well inside a corset (those bits which don't go up and over the top). Hence I end up rather cylindrical, which is not a terribly flattering look. Especially not after I've I've been dribbling over those lovely conical shapes. Is there something I can do to fix this, or am I doomed by my body shape and not having worn a corset from the age of three to be a cylinder? Claire (apologies for the rather lurid descriptions of my anatomy :-P) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 19:15:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28766 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:15:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SN72C26279; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SN71E03829; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SN6QE03612 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:06:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [128.32.5.39] (doeadpub38.Lib.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.5.39]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g4SN6P710511 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15f.e5b56bd.2a253e96@aol.com> References: <15f.e5b56bd.2a253e96@aol.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning clothes for reenactment Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:58:16 -0700 Status: RO At 4:12 PM -0400 5/28/02, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: >I read a novel about Worth once. Not sure how factual it was. According to >that writer, Worth first made up things in black because his then girlfriend >(and later wife) was a salesgirl, and salesgirls were expected to wear black. > If someone knows differently, I would love to hear it. > >By the way, Rosalie Stier Calvert, who lived at Riversdale, lost 4 of 9 >children--2 in one week from what was most likely diphtheria. I think the most heartbreaking thing I ever ran across while doing costume research (see: ObH-Costume <<<=== :-) was a family tree (for the family whose tombs contained the clothing being discussed) showing a couple, of whose twelve children, maybe _one_ survived for more than two years. I make's you wonder. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 19:51:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28891 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:51:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4SNh2C28804; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SNh1E17142; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4SNgwE17128 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:42:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.100.184]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g4SNgtu07402 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fitting questions Message-ID: <3CF3B57D.11074.144DB9D@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3CF4F855.9114A9C3@bigpond.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:51:09 -0700 Status: RO > 1. Is there a particular fitting technique to overcome the problem of > a lopsided bosom? All women are asymmetrical to some degree. It sounds like yours is just more than average. There are two ways of going about it (with a third being a combination of the two.) One is to build into the clothes something to even you out. This is done for sloping shoulders, why not for breasts. The other is to fiddle with the fitting until it is *visually* the same on both sides. Unfortunately, that is very difficult to do for yourself. > 2. I would appreciate some advice from corsetting gurus about how not > to look like a cylinder in a pre-Victorian corset, if it is at all > possible. Some of us are just barrel shaped. My upper rib cage is actually quite narrow (giving me a narrow back) but flairs out below my breasts (and short waisted like you mentioned, to boot.) However, by the judicious use of corsetting and trims you can appear to be more conical than you would otherwise be. If you are making a pre-Victorian corset, your breasts should not go up over the top but should just sit at the top of the corset. (Jean Hunnisett in her 16-18th C book shows the correct way as well as the overburgeoning way and the falling into the bottom of the corset way.) With some judicious padding within the corset to make the breasts look more even you can appear more conical than barrel/cylindrical. A lot of the look is a combination of waist suppression (the difference between your chest/breast measurement and the waist measurement) and optical illusion. Unless your waist and chest/breast measurements are the same, you are going to be conical anyway. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 20:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28992 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:26:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4T0I2C01006; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T0I1E27999; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T0GxE27738 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:16:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.189.36.255] (HELO [192.168.1.103]) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 115224 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:16:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020528001531.00d76c30@mail.frys.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20020528001531.00d76c30@mail.frys.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is a "corsage ornament"? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:17:06 -0400 Status: RO Thanks, people, for the information on the "corsage ornaments." I'm still not sure what differentiates them from brooches in the book- they are definitely jewelry, and I'd guess not sewn onto a particular gown (though I can't be sure- they never show the backs), and most don't seem more suited to attaching posies than the brooches. They do seem somewhat larger, and more symmetrical; if there's not commonly accepted definition then I suppose it's a preference of the author. I really appreciate the info and suggestions offered! -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 21:02:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29119 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 21:02:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4T0r5C05374; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:53:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T0r3E08438; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (mail@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T0qZE08313 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:52:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p9-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.212.9] by smtp2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 17CrhX-000827-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 12:52:31 +1200 Message-ID: <006501c206ab$1a782190$09d4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <3CF4F855.9114A9C3@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fitting questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:52:25 +1200 Status: RO > 1. Is there a particular fitting technique to overcome the problem of a > lopsided bosom? Well you could always use a bit of tailoring , so that you can subtly pad the smaller side to balance out. You could always use some padding on the other of course to make it feel less different on the inside. After all bosom pads can be found in some eras, and being such an easy thing you could probably use the idea in periods where there is no physical evidence. > 2. I would appreciate some advice from corseting gurus about how not to > look > like a cylinder in a pre-Victorian corset, if it is at all possible. Bingo! I have a very round ribcage, and it's also very long, probably much like you as I can only just wiggle my fingers between my ribs and hips. And I too have an hour glass shape. I just make my corsets/bodices to fit my duct tape double, and make sure it is slightly smaller at the waist than it probably should be. Just so that when it's worn and loosens up, it doesn't actually loosen further than my measurements. I also find lacing from the bottom to the top in a front lacing corset/stay/bodice helps. As I can make sure the lacing at the bottom is firmer than at he top, and also so I can get some lift to my very small bust. I have some online pics of me in a pre hour-glass corset shapes: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce/onstage.htm The two pics of me in a greyish 1840s-180s costume shows how tubular I look in a bodice not adjusted to be narrower at he waist http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce/backstage.htm The top most are tv versions of late 18thC (though patterns are from Nora Waugh and the like) and you can see there is that nice slope from waist to bust. http://recital.tripod.com/costume/poison.htm just shows my shape without any structure.. though umm.. I do admit to wearing bra that shows a lot of what I technically have not got;) It just requires solid boning and a really good fit. I really would suggest getting a dress form made to your measurements. And I found my Duct Tape Double to be the perfect shape.. I also made sure to make the waist more of an ideal than strictly true, simply because I know that is where things tend to loosen up once clothes are worn on me. It's not more than an inch difference anyway. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 21:06:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29131 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 21:06:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4T0w1C08195; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T0w1E09949; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T0vQE09813 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:57:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.15]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020529005721.RGEN11183.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 00:57:21 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020528195810.00a8beb0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? In-Reply-To: <20020528152618.73723.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:59:18 -0500 Status: RO Actually, Nicole (welcome back!) I know very little about that period and would be happy to learn more. So, please do discuss that and other time periods. Cheers, Danielle At 04:26 PM 5/28/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Is it just me, or does it seem that there hasn't been a big conversation on >costumes going on this list for ages? It seems as if the list has/is dying a >slow death somehow. The only time I saw a flurry of posts was in the latest >flame war, during the time when I just signed back up. >I am wondering, is it a case? is it going to be buried or is there hope? > >I would post a lot more but hey, no one seems to be interested in the period >that I am interested in and it seems a waste of time/effort/bandwidth >trying to >talk about 1660-1715 unless there are people who are actually interested. > >Prove me wrong, folks, please! > >Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 21:14:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29197 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 21:14:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4T161C08803; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T161E12221; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T15VE12086 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:05:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.15]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020529010526.ROUI11183.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 01:05:26 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020528200320.03c7e2d0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portuguese Clothing In-Reply-To: <197.79543dc.2a25477b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:07:32 -0500 Status: RO Portuguese portraits are few and far between. The only ones I have and they are right around the 1600 mark are in a book on Portuguese jewellery which I acquired at the British Museum shop. Ah, I just found where I had put it. The exact title is "Five Centuries of Jewellery: National Museum of Ancient Art, Lisbon." by Leonor d'Orey. London: Zwemmer Publishers Limited 1995 ISBN 0 302 00660 5 There aren't many pictures from pre 1600 but it is still a cool book with pretty pictures. : ) If you find other sources for Portuguese stuff please share! Cheers, Danielle At 04:50 PM 5/28/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Greetings All! > >I am looking for examples of Portuguese clothing from about 1450 to >1600. I have seen the Isabel of Portugal portraits and surprisingly, I >found a drawing in the Christopher Weidtz book. I was wondering if anyone >knew of any of other sources. > >Thanks in advance, >Kit _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 22:02:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29333 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 22:02:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4T1s5C11701; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T1s1E26098; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T1r1E25799 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m28.in-tch.com [216.166.191.28]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4T1dvv28905 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:39:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CF435BF.C71E97B2@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? spelling and Moroccan outfit question(long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:58:23 -0600 Status: RO Hi, Megan. What's "Trading Spaces???" I don't have a picture/sketch/info on something like a *caftan* with that kind of embellishment, but there's a book out there (our local and university libraries both have copies, IIRC) called "The Art of Arabian Costume" (can't remember author, sorry) that might give you some ideas. It's an amazing, droolsome book full of all kinds of different regional/ethnic styles. My guess would be that your garments in question are based on some sort of combination of fairly simple rectangles and triangles, if only because so much of the clothing I've seen from that area is done that way. I *do* have a Folkwear pattern (printed about 10 years ago, so I have no idea if this one's still in print) that gives patterns and instructions for what it calls an "Algerian suit," with men's and women's variations. There are an open-fronted jacket, a vest, and very baggy-crotched pants. They do not give you the "authentic" names for the outfit pieces, although I know I've seen similar pants styles in other ME/Mediterranean styles. The jacket, vest, and pants are all decorated in elaborate, scrolling designs, done in soutache. Lots and LOTS of soutache--the men's 3-pc takes over 200 yards. The original outfit, on which Folkwear based this pattern, comes from a collection at the Costume Institute at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NY, NY. The original suit was made entirely of wool broadcloth. I've always wanted to do one of these, but oy, veh! the thought of applying over 200 yards of braid just plain boggled my mind. Looks great, though. --Sue "Megan M." wrote: > I was watching "Trading Spaces" last night and one > episode had the host wearing a Moroccan caftan that was beautiful. It was a > dark royal blue with white trim, over slim pants. The trim looked like > soutache (yep, looked up the spelling on a pack I have around the house) > wound in circles about two inches across like a spiral, and in between the > circles was a three-pointed looped tree-like thing pointing towards the hem. > This trim was on the neckline, both wrists, and a strip across the upper > abdomen where it looked like it was gathered slightly. I looked at a caftan > my mother brought me back from Morocco years ago (made of polyester > unfortunately)and that one was simple caftan style, like a large rectangle > folded over at the shoulders and simple seamed up the sides. This one I saw > on the TV last night definitely had at least partial sleeves as there was > definitely a wrist to put the trim on. There were also wrinkles on the side > of the dress that looked like it was cut wide. Also, I was unaware that > pants were worn with this sort of dress. The pants and the lower hem had a > very narrow white trim I did not get a good look at. Of course, I wanted > the host to stand still for a moment and put her arms out so I could study > the outfit, but she did not oblige. Anyone have a link to a line drawing or > possible construction for this type of outfit? > -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 22:29:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29399 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 22:29:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4T2L5C13746; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T2L1E04585; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T2KbE04439 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:20:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.85.1c18a6e1 (1324) for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 22:20:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <85.1c18a6e1.2a2594eb@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyeing/dying To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_85.1c18a6e1.2a2594eb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:20:27 EDT Status: RO --part1_85.1c18a6e1.2a2594eb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/28/02 12:32:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lindo@Radix.Net writes: > My hubby has this problem, too. He is a whiz at mathematical problems, > but can't spell, so he relies on his computer's spellchecker to catch > things for him. Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't bother to alert him to > this kind of problem! He says WordPerfect used to ask you about 'iffy' > words (would give a prompt with the proper context), but Bill Gatos's > products are so ubiquitous now... > WordPerfect still asks you about iffy words. I love WordPerfect Osmondia --part1_85.1c18a6e1.2a2594eb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/28/02 12:32:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lindo@Radix.Net writes:


My hubby has this problem, too.  He is a whiz at mathematical problems,
but can't spell, so he relies on his computer's spellchecker to catch
things for him.  Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't bother to alert him to
this kind of problem!  He says WordPerfect used to ask you about 'iffy'
words (would give a prompt with the proper context), but Bill Gatos's
products are so ubiquitous now...


WordPerfect still asks you about iffy words.  I love WordPerfect

Osmondia --part1_85.1c18a6e1.2a2594eb_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue May 28 22:57:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29469 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 22:57:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4T2n2C15367; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T2n0e13226; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T2mIe13007 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr3so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.108]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GWU00KDAQA4MS@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml4so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.148]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GWU00J7FQA4Z5@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shaw.ca (h24-83-104-177.vf.shawcable.net [24.83.104.177]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GWU008LYQA3GO@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:44:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Shalazar Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? spelling and Moroccan outfitquestion(long) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3CF439E8.E059B6AB@shaw.ca> Organization: Shalazar Creations MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1 (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <3CF435BF.C71E97B2@in-tch.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: shalazar@shaw.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:16:08 -0700 Status: RO Try http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/etext/tilke/preface.html you might have to go through quite a few to find something similar to what you describe, but the drawing are very clear Shalazar -- "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." - Douglas Adams (1952-2001) English novelist "Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph." ` -Haile Selassie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 04:06:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25827 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 04:06:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4T7w3C27420; Wed, 29 May 2002 01:58:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T7w0e29319; Wed, 29 May 2002 01:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4T7vTe29217 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 01:57:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020529075728.62737.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:57:28 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning clothes for late 17th c To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:57:28 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I thought I'd throw in something on my period, since I was so wonderfully proven wrong! Mourning was done to extremes one could say, and samuel pepys notes, when his mother dies, that he mustn't forget to blacken the soles of his shoes. Indeed, black was worn for dep mourning and it was black from head to toe and very literally so! Mourning rings were given out by the closest relatives to the mourners at the wake and black crepe/chiffon bands were worn around the hat as hatband and flowing down the back. I have some engravings of that. They were also worn around the upper arms as streamers, both at the actual funeral. It also appears as if black mourning clothes were almost available 'off the rack', because death occurred mostly sudden, there are so many accounts of people 'faling sick' and being dead within a week, it is amazing. there are some descriptions of women donning their new all-black mourning gowns within a couple of days and it would have been impossible to create such a gown from scratch in that time, thus it is believed that certain pre-cut and pre-sewn garments were available, to be altered to the specific fit. Elizabeth Pepys was not at all impressed with her mother in law's death, because it was spring and she had just gotten a new fancy silk dress and was so annoyed that the following year, when they would come out of mourning, it would be out of fashion! *laughs* Furthermore, after full mourning one went into the second phase and white was worn with the black, I have an interesting painting of the 1710s which shows a whole family in half mounring for the death of the father and husband. The widow wears still black and the widows-weeds a certain cap with bands going under her chin and frills around the face, and the children are wearing strictly white and black clothes. There's a lot more, but so much for mourning in a nutshell. :-) Nicole - who one day will have a full set of mounring and half-mounring clothes made, probably when I'm retired... ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 04:07:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25837 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 04:07:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4T7x1C27456; Wed, 29 May 2002 01:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T7x1e29576; Wed, 29 May 2002 01:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4T7wpe29546 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 01:58:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020529075850.23039.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:58:50 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] dyeing wool To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <007301c20695$54e85040$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:58:50 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > I recently picked up some women's wool suits from local garage sales with > the idea of dyeing them and using in doublets, as trim, etc. However, it > seems as though the fabric has been treated with something? It is NOT taking > dye at all! Has anyone else come across anything like this? Is there > anything I can do, or am I stuck with turquoise green and electric blue > pieces of wool? As far as I know thse fabrics are treated with something like scotchguarding, and I don't have a clue how you would ever get that out, sorry! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 04:56:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25999 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 04:56:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4T8m8C29032; Wed, 29 May 2002 02:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T8m1e09175; Wed, 29 May 2002 02:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4T8l5e08984 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 02:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020529084704.40538.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:47:04 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] ECW period To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:47:04 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Hi Jan, > > I'm not very familiar with the Restoration period, but I am very > interested in the period preceding (English Civil War in England, > musketeer period in France). Do you know much about the transition of > fashion between the two periods? I do actually know quite a lot about the transition, because as I always say, if you research one period, it is vital to look in detail into the periods right before and after, because nothing happens 'just so' but everything is a transition, transformation, development. Something which is easily seen in the 1650s to the 1660s. The dresses in the 1650s are so very similar to the 1660s, and the develoment from the 40s to the 50s is also quite obvious when looking at it. The way the waist falls down, the stomacher lengthens, etc. there are also amusing peculiarities, like a split skirt over the petticoat being in vogue in the 40s for example and then being almost obsolete by the 60s just to comeback with a vengeance in the 1670s. > I've asked Penny (Costume Classroom) if she could do a class on ECW > fashions. She doesn't know of anyone who could teach it, so if anyone out > there is willing, please get in touch! I don't know anyone either and wouldn't dare to call myself enough of an expert in the ECW period clothing. Perhaps someone is out there though! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 04:57:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26005 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 04:57:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4T8n1C29110; Wed, 29 May 2002 02:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T8n0e09358; Wed, 29 May 2002 02:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4T8mRe09257 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 02:48:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020529084826.28721.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:48:26 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mourning clothes for reenactment To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:48:26 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > > > And when _did_ people start wearing mourning clothes? I know that Anne > Buck mentions mourning clothes in her book on 18th Century English costume > (the exact title escapes me)... > > -- Mara They very definitely did in the 1660s. They must ahve done before that... anyone out there who has quotes/pictorial evidence? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 05:39:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26131 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 05:39:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4T9V1C00283; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T9V0e16337; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T9UJe16208 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:30:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KIAP5RES4G00FHST@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:33:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KIAP5IR166009W6E@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:33:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 29 May 2002 10:27:44 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 29 May 2002 10:27:10 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.88) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:27:02 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? In-reply-to: <200205281753.g4SHrFE03276@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <36FB69717A0@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:27:01 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Is it just me, or does it seem that there hasn't been a big > conversation on costumes going on this list for ages? It seems as if > the list has/is dying a slow death somehow. The only time I saw a > flurry of posts was in the latest flame war, during the time when I > just signed back up. I am wondering, is it a case? is it going to be > buried or is there hope? Hi Nicole, I seem to recall the list going slow at about this time almost every year - a lot of people on the list are in groups that are "in season" over the summer months so people are probably spending a lot of time around now desperately trying to finish their new kit for the summer season..... Someone else step in and confirm or deny this. > I would post a lot more but hey, no one seems to be interested in > the period that I am interested in and it seems a waste of > time/effort/bandwidth trying to talk about 1660-1715 unless there > are people who are actually interested. > > Prove me wrong, folks, please! I'm sure lots of people are interested in that period, I'm not sure how many are *active* in it, but that's a differnet matter entirely.... I can't say it's one of my favourites (in fact, it's actually one of my least favourite....) but then I *know* that there are people out there who hate some of my favourites, so it all evens out somewhere. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 05:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26173 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 05:51:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4T9g1C00504; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T9g1e18441; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T9fVe18332 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:41:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KIAPGYGOKG00D608@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:44:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KIAPDUUYAC007CHI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:39:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 29 May 2002 10:34:33 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 29 May 2002 10:33:58 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.88) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:33:48 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern instructions (WAS: English) In-reply-to: <200205281753.g4SHrFE03276@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <36FD39F0A07@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:33:48 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > ... but learning to read pattern instructions > > in English, THAT was a challenge!!! :-) > > > > Beware of the following phrases: > > "Turn and Press" ----3 little words, yes, but often hours of tedium! Those I have no problem with. > "Ease" ----sounds "ease-y" no? but getting that 1 1/2" spread out over > the entire armseye and still having it look good is a bitch! > > BE NOT DECEIVED I'm with you on that one. In my expoerience, "ease" on a pattern equates to fiddling with the darned thing, fudging it where it won't show and wanting to scream and throw it across the room at least three times during the cosntruction of that part.... but then, sleeves always were the bane of my sewing life. If *something* is goignt o go wrong with a garment I make - it will be the sleeves... Inside out, upside down, back to front, two of the same sleeve instead of a pair, pattern or pile the wrong way up on one or both of them, "and, in extreme cases, joined together at the heel"... Starting to costume in periods wehre seperate sleeves were used has been a breath of frsh-air. Teddy (Yes, I know that sleeves don't have heels but that paraphrasing from hitch-hikers guide to the galaxy just seems to sum up the relationship between me and sleeves) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 05:57:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26189 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 05:57:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4T9n0C00665; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4T9n0e19786; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4T9mFe19653 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:48:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020529094815.85607.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:48:15 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <36FB69717A0@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:48:15 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > I seem to recall the list going slow at about this time almost every > year - a lot of people on the list are in groups that are "in season" > over the summer months so people are probably spending a lot of > time around now desperately trying to finish their new kit for the > summer season..... Someone else step in and confirm or deny this. Oh yes of course, that could be it! Guess not everyone works on/with a computer that's online all day long and can write emails during the day at work whenever the fancy takes and there are no meetings or appointments. I guess I sometimes forget how lucky I am. I am in the same situation, madly finishing more bits for ths weekend, when we go to Brixham from Friday to Tuesday for some pirate re-enactment. *grins* Oh no, it isn't serious stuff, not at all, it is authentic HOLLYWOOD pirate re-enactment! *laughs* It is four days of great big silly fun, pubs and tall ships, sailing on the golden hind along the Torquay coast and being generally silly. OH YES!!! Just what my child's heart needed. > I'm sure lots of people are interested in that period, I'm not sure > how many are *active* in it, but that's a differnet matter entirely.... I > can't say it's one of my favourites (in fact, it's actually one of my > least favourite....) but then I *know* that there are people out > there who hate some of my favourites, so it all evens out > somewhere. *dramatic sigh and grip to the heart* Oh Teddy, you just broke my heart. *winks* I just wasn't sure, there is rarely something of particular interest to me, coz I seem to be quite exclusive in my period taste, though I do save interesting mails on other periods and I wondered if people actually wanted to har about a different period to the one they do. Apparently they do and I am very happy. Nicole - off to handsew a bit more soon in lunchbreak. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 08:25:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26549 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:25:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4TCH3C05017; Wed, 29 May 2002 06:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TCH1e20230; Wed, 29 May 2002 06:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TCGLe20015 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 06:16:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [198.86.80.179] (FA-203.pds.charlotte.nc.us [198.86.80.179]) by cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id g4TCGLA13246 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:16:21 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portuguese Clothing From: Grace Morris To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020528200320.03c7e2d0@mail.attbi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:16:21 -0400 Status: RO I haven't found anything in English, yet.... O Vestuario Portugues ao Tempo da Expansao: Seculos XV e XVI. por Fernando Jose Cunha de Oliveira. (can't find the date, right now.) Edicao: Grupo de Trabalho de Ministerio de Educacao para os Decobrimentos Portugueses. There are some lousy drawings, but also primary source pictures, a dictionary of terms (!) and a nice biblio. My copy came ILL from the U. of Rhode Island. Grace/Jessamyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 10:26:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26917 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:26:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4TEIRC12730; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:18:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TEI0e01274; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TEHee01111 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 17D4Gh-0004aD-01 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:17:39 -0400 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Trading Spaces Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <3CF435BF.C71E97B2@in-tch.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:24:16 -0400 Status: RO Trading Spaces is a show on The Learning Channel where two neighbors agree to re-do one room of the other's house. The TV show supplies a designer and the $1000 budget for each room. The owners decide what room, and state some likes and dislikes. The designers take it from there, using the other house's owners as the slave labor, but often have a carpenter along as well. They do some amazing designs, many of which are absolutely gorgeous, and some of which make you shake your head and wonder why would anyone ever do that? They usually take down ceiling fans, but I've seen some incredible work. My favorite room so far is this one: http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/tradingspaces/beforeandafter/beforeandafte r_4.html# scroll down towards the bottom and click on: "North Carolina: Southerby Drive" and then on "Doug's Room" be sure to click on before and after shots. Does costuming a room count as sort of off/on topic? -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:58 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? spelling and Moroccan outfit question(long) Hi, Megan. What's "Trading Spaces???" I don't have a picture/sketch/info on something like a *caftan* with that kind of embellishment, but there's a book out there (our local and university libraries both have copies, IIRC) called "The Art of Arabian Costume" (can't remember author, sorry) that might give you some ideas. It's an amazing, droolsome book full of all kinds of different regional/ethnic styles. My guess would be that your garments in question are based on some sort of combination of fairly simple rectangles and triangles, if only because so much of the clothing I've seen from that area is done that way. I *do* have a Folkwear pattern (printed about 10 years ago, so I have no idea if this one's still in print) that gives patterns and instructions for what it calls an "Algerian suit," with men's and women's variations. There are an open-fronted jacket, a vest, and very baggy-crotched pants. They do not give you the "authentic" names for the outfit pieces, although I know I've seen similar pants styles in other ME/Mediterranean styles. The jacket, vest, and pants are all decorated in elaborate, scrolling designs, done in soutache. Lots and LOTS of soutache--the men's 3-pc takes over 200 yards. The original outfit, on which Folkwear based this pattern, comes from a collection at the Costume Institute at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NY, NY. The original suit was made entirely of wool broadcloth. I've always wanted to do one of these, but oy, veh! the thought of applying over 200 yards of braid just plain boggled my mind. Looks great, though. --Sue "Megan M." wrote: > I was watching "Trading Spaces" last night and one > episode had the host wearing a Moroccan caftan that was beautiful. It was a > dark royal blue with white trim, over slim pants. The trim looked like > soutache (yep, looked up the spelling on a pack I have around the house) > wound in circles about two inches across like a spiral, and in between the > circles was a three-pointed looped tree-like thing pointing towards the hem. > This trim was on the neckline, both wrists, and a strip across the upper > abdomen where it looked like it was gathered slightly. I looked at a caftan > my mother brought me back from Morocco years ago (made of polyester > unfortunately)and that one was simple caftan style, like a large rectangle > folded over at the shoulders and simple seamed up the sides. This one I saw > on the TV last night definitely had at least partial sleeves as there was > definitely a wrist to put the trim on. There were also wrinkles on the side > of the dress that looked like it was cut wide. Also, I was unaware that > pants were worn with this sort of dress. The pants and the lower hem had a > very narrow white trim I did not get a good look at. Of course, I wanted > the host to stand still for a moment and put her arms out so I could study > the outfit, but she did not oblige. Anyone have a link to a line drawing or > possible construction for this type of outfit? > -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 10:48:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27001 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:47:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4TEe1C14496; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TEe0e11166; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TEdDe10686 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:39:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17D4bX-0007HR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 May 2002 07:39:11 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Organization: PII Message-ID: <000601c2071d$6b079420$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] FW: Is everything alright? 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Some of us \'regulars\' are wondering....is everything okay? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 11:28:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27329 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:28:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4TFK2C18030; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TFK0e01498; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4TFJke01332 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:19:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020529151937.32907.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:19:36 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020528193932.26376.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] 17th c. bits Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:19:36 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Jonnalyhn I promise to post pictures when I have hopefully taken quite a few after this weekend. It is the Golden Jubilee here and that means we'll be off until Wednesday. Yippieh! We are going to Devon and I managed to borrow the digital camera again. I have a new red silk corset/bodice made by Harriet waterhouse, which is a copy of the pink 1660s stays in the V&A. I finished the 1690s morning gown in that smack-bang orange. Finished adark green wool petticoat. Am just about to finish a linen under-petticoat. Finally finished my second chemise, cut after the pattern in 'cut my cote' which fits beautifully under the very low bodices of the 60s. Will finish tonight a black wool hood which is a sort of outdoors over-hood and goes over the linen one, as seen in many paintings. Will scotchguard th bejeezus ut of my cloak and hood tonight. I got anew pair of 1700 needle-toe shoes by sarah Juniper, black leather and red heel. (I learned from last year... the brocade ones come AFTER the leather ones) My new wig, which is the one on which the fontange will be mounted on, just arrived yesterday night and Derek Easton has worked his magic once again. I'll see my seamstress, Ninya Mikhaila, next weekend for a toile fitting. I'll have my mantua for the beginning of July, when we have an event in London. Hmm... did I forget any of my adventures during my long absence? :-)) Oh yes, I am curently working on a scarlet officer's coat for ben and a red and gold brocade waistcoat for him to go under it. The coat will be laced with silver. > I remember drooling over the pictures you posted last > year (was it that long ago?) and the conversations > between you and Bjarne--I even sent the posts to my > best friend and sewing co-conspirator. There'll be more to come! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 11:35:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27360 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:34:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4TFR1C18738; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TFR1e05364; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4TFQ6e04877 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020529152604.58521.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:26:03 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200205281630.g4SGUe712031@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:26:03 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Heather Meadows wrote: > Nicole I'm very interested! I reall wanted to make a 1660 dress this year > for a costumed event (with the GBACG) but then I realized I wouldn't > be able to attend, so I didn't even start it. But still, I fell in love > with the shape and I would love to read more from you, anytime! *hint hint* Heather, take my course on 1660s costume, I already have a few who are interested for it in October. I am sure Penny is happy about that too. :-) You never know, there might be another costumed event! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 12:18:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27701 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 12:18:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4TGAIC22881; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:10:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TGAGe00521; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:10:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TG9ie00146 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:09:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g4TGA7j19804 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:10:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200205291610.g4TGA7j19804@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] English In-Reply-To: <200205282029.NAA02799@gw.retro.com> "from Lee Thompson-Herbert at May 28, 2002 01:29:41 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO They often do have too much ease, but 1.5 inches can be managed most of the time, in natural fibers. try cutting a bias strip of a woven interfacing the length of your armscye notch to notch, and then sewing it down, stretching while you sew, onto the sleeve. I also find adding a sleeve head helps support the extra, eased fabric. If all else fails, yes, I just cheat and scooch in the extra fabric- push the extra sleeve into the body of the garment until it's less ease. I'm a big fan of scooching. heather meadows www.wonderland.com www.sewhipithurts.com > > "Ease" ----sounds "ease-y" no? but getting that 1 1/2" spread out over the > > entire armseye and still having it look good is a bitch! > > ARGH! I bought myself a dressmaker's ham to help with that and I _still_ > have problems. I'm convinced that a lot of commercial patterns have way, > way too much "ease" in the sleeve cap. Especially the ones that want all > that ease in a 3" space at the top of the armscrye. This is one of those > things (along with fabric yardage requirements) that will have me writing > "LIE!" on the pattern instructions. > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 12:50:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27869 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 12:50:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4TGg6C25889; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TGg4e19337; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TGfZe19056 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g4TGhI720103 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:43:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200205291643.g4TGhI720103@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? In-Reply-To: <20020529152604.58521.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> "from N Kipar at May 29, 2002 04:26:03 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I'll try, but since I'm already in school, it's hard to take classes "at night" when I've already got them! Very glad you are offering it though -- I will make a note of it. Heather > --- Heather Meadows wrote: > Nicole I'm very > interested! I reall wanted to make a 1660 dress this year > > for a costumed event (with the GBACG) but then I realized I wouldn't > > be able to attend, so I didn't even start it. But still, I fell in love > > with the shape and I would love to read more from you, anytime! > > *hint hint* Heather, take my course on 1660s costume, I already have a few who > are interested for it in October. I am sure Penny is happy about that too. :-) > > You never know, there might be another costumed event! > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 14:01:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28233 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 14:01:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4THr2C02912; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4THr1e03956; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14006.mail.yahoo.com (web14006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4THqke02424 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:52:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020529175244.89365.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.102.32] by web14006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:52:44 PDT From: Cin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fitting questions To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3CF4F855.9114A9C3@bigpond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --- Claire Clarke wrote: > 1. Is there a particular fitting technique to overcome the problem of a > lopsided bosom? ie one side bigger than the other (You mention no particular period, so, rather generically, here we go.) The tailoring answers are: make the garment fit the body or make the body fit the garment. I agree with the other person who suggested adding padding to the garment on the "small" side. This will work fabulously with heavier garments like jackets. These garments would look quite strange if they were made asymetrically. If made assymetrically in anything other than a monochrome tabby weave the assymetry will scream & be noticed. Exactly the effect you want to avoid. For evening gowns, blouses, waists, corsages and similar light garments, I suggest you pad the body instead of the garment. Place an adequate bust lifter inside your corset on the "small" side. Finally, check and see if you dont have other fitting assymetries, such as a dropped shoulder, built up muscle mass, minor lordosis, minor scoliosis, vertical posture, neckline hang. Adjust for the biggest effect first, shoulderline then downward, center then outward. IMHO, the only time a garment should be made assymetrically, is at a the waistband. Doing so adjusts for typical problems like a dropped hip or dancer's swayback (or, in my case, both). This adjustment *must* be made for garments with any strong vertical or horizontal design. (Imagine the plaid mini-skirt on someone with a drop hip. Gaah! Makes me seasick.) ===== --cin Cynthia hysteria95126@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 15:22:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28793 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:22:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4TJE9C11015; Wed, 29 May 2002 13:14:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TJE1e05252; Wed, 29 May 2002 13:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14506.mail.yahoo.com (web14506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4TJDee05024 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 13:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020529191339.4261.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.14.153] by web14506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 12:13:39 PDT From: Wolfcat Hall Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th c. bits To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020529151937.32907.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Oh wundebar Nicole! This is especially cool, as I am about to finally coax the friend I mentioned in my last post into joining H-Cost. I look forward to seeing the pictures and will see if schedule and finances permit a class this fall. (sometimes being a single mom is just lame that way) Jonnalyhn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 15:25:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28810 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:25:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4TJH2C11285; Wed, 29 May 2002 13:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TJH1e07098; Wed, 29 May 2002 13:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TJG3e06520 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 13:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWW00C3Y06QX1@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 May 2002 12:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020529121126.00cf6c60@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] 2 coat patterns - opinions? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:16:00 -0700 Status: RO I just got a Smoke and Fire catalog #12, 2002-2003. In it I find, on page 16, a 1795-1820 tail coat pattern from Rocking Horse Farm Patterns, and, on page 24, an 1858 frock coat pattern from Past Patterns. Anybody know how good these patterns are? I mostly want to know ease of use, as I can correct any detail I don't like when I make the muslin. (My Sweetie's birthday is coming up...) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 15:45:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28892 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:45:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4TJb1C13124; Wed, 29 May 2002 13:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TJb0e18886; Wed, 29 May 2002 13:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TJave18849 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 13:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp234016pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net [68.55.178.225]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GWW004RE15859@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:36:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Liz / Cozit To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3CF52DD0.4214D9CD@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200205290800.g4T802e29792@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Finding feathers? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:36:48 -0400 Status: RO Does anyone know where I might be able to obtain relatively plain (but not tiny) feathers? Like duck or goose? Either over the web, or anywhere between the Philadelphia and DC areas? I need to build another fan for my new craftsperson-type character at Faire this year... preferably two, so I won't have to panic if my dog eats another one (no kidding, she ate my first one, which I really liked.. sigh...) TIA, -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 18:10:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29761 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:10:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4TM23C26352; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TM21x13410; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02bw.bigpond.com (mta02bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TM1Sx13040 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:01:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.78]) by mta02bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta02bw Apr 29 2002 13:22:02) with SMTP id GWW7U400.D4V for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:01:16 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-58.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.58]) by bwmam04.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0m 29/1396810); 30 May 2002 08:01:09 Message-ID: <3CF63F26.2D403B6@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern instructions (WAS: English) References: <36FD39F0A07@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 08:03:02 -0700 Status: RO Teddy wrote: > > > ... but learning to read pattern instructions > > > in English, THAT was a challenge!!! :-) > > > > > > > Beware of the following phrases: > > > > "Turn and Press" ----3 little words, yes, but often hours of tedium! > > Those I have no problem with. > > > "Ease" ----sounds "ease-y" no? but getting that 1 1/2" spread out over > > the entire armseye and still having it look good is a bitch! > > > > BE NOT DECEIVED > > I'm with you on that one. In my expoerience, "ease" on a pattern > equates to fiddling with the darned thing, fudging it where it won't > show and wanting to scream and throw it across the room at least > three times during the cosntruction of that part.... but then, sleeves > always were the bane of my sewing life. If *something* is goignt o > go wrong with a garment I make - it will be the sleeves... Inside out, > upside down, back to front, two of the same sleeve instead of a > pair, pattern or pile the wrong way up on one or both of them, "and, > in extreme cases, joined together at the heel"... > Absolutely! I once left the sleeves on a cotte inside out after I'd sewed them on that way for the third time in a row.... Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 18:33:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29997 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:33:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4TMQ2C28279; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TMQ0x26617; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TMP8x25938 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:25:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1a-120.lbrlks.adelphia.net [68.64.140.120]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07493; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:25:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3CF55541.5CE52B1A@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume , SCA Garb List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Alfgahaur Press, please Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:25:05 -0600 Status: RO Will the proprietor of Alfgahaur Press please contact me privately? Thanks, Mary Denise Smith editor@costumemag.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed May 29 19:02:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30178 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:02:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4TMs3C01050; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TMs1x12027; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4TMrLx11748 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:53:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.52.227.213] ([24.52.227.213]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay6 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id GWWA8S00.RU1 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:53:16 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW: Is everything alright? (A response from Fabrics-store.com) From: randl To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c2071d$6b079420$6501a8c0@Home> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:53:15 -0400 Status: RO Thanx so much for sharing that with us! I was beginning to panic-war is-a-comin and I need linen! Laurie > I know others of you were wondering about the store Fabrics-store.com. > Looks like they were just low on stock. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fabrics-store.com [mailto:cs@fabrics-store.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:09 PM > To: Saragrace@earthlink.net > Subject: RE: Is everything alright? > > > Thank you for you letter. > > We are going to restock our inventory soon. And we also waiting for the > new collection of cotton and linen fabrics. > > Please visit us again at www.fabrics-store.com > > sincerely > cs@fabrics-store.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Saragrace@earthlink.net [mailto:Saragrace@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 12:49 PM > To: cs@fabrics-store.com > Subject: Is everything alright? > > > Seems like your selection is very low. Some of us \'regulars\' are > wondering....is everything okay? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 00:05:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31145 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:05:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4U3w4C18532; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U3w1x04050; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f57.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U3v9x03766 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:57:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:57:04 -0700 Received: from 68.6.212.114 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 03:57:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.6.212.114] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2002 03:57:04.0592 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F75BD00:01C2078E] Subject: [h-cost] Accepted to Design School!!! (O/T) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 03:57:04 +0000 Status: RO Completely off topic, but I'm so excited I have to shout this out to everyone I know.... I got accepted to design school!!!! I will be starting in the Fall. Now maybe one day, I'll be able to answer a question or contribute to the list instead of living in constant lurkdom. Yippeeee!!!! :) jessica _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 00:23:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31190 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:23:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4U4FJC19531; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U4FJx10598; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U48Bx07814 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:08:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-207-232-87-224.lincoln.radiks.net ([207.232.87.224] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DHEP-00046K-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:08:10 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529224629.024b79a0@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200205291801.g4TI1fe15727@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Various things Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:57:40 -0500 Status: RO Hi, all! Re: Folkwear: My understanding of some of the patterns is that any of the patterns that were taken from actual garments in the Metropolitan Museum, will not be reprinted, as the museum only gave Folkwear the rights to do it once. The three that I know of are the Algerian Suit, the Poiret cocoon coat, and the Russian Cossack ensemble. We have all these, but the only one we've done is the Russian. Note: this pattern is not for the novice! At one point, the instructions tell you to press a seam open - well, unless you have one of those micro irons (with the tiny triangular head), it's impossible! (And maybe impossible WITH one of those irons!) You just can't get to it. It is a wonderful pattern, however - looks really good in the wearing. Other stuff: The Durham Western Heritage museum in Omaha has had an exhibit up for the last month or so displaying some women's clothes from their collection, covering about 1880 thru 1960. The earlier stuff is the neatest. I especially like the 1920's items - some of the embroidery is to die for!! The thing I found the most interesting, though, was the mourning dress (ca. 1890-1900). While it was all in black wool, with jet beading and a black-veiled hat, at one spot you could get a look at the jacket lining - it was bright fuchsia! There were no notes on the placard indicating whether it had been re-lined at a later date or not, so I don't know if this was regularly done or not in period. The exhibit closes June 2, so if you're close by, there's not much time left to see it. Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 00:26:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31203 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:26:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4U4J2C19784; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U4J1x11942; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U4IZx11777 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:18:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23611 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 23:40:43 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Lurking (was: Accepted to Design School!!!) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:40:43 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 30 May 2002, jessica stier wrote: > Completely off topic, but I'm so excited I have to shout this out to > everyone I know.... I got accepted to design school!!!! I will be > starting in the Fall. Congratulations! > Now maybe one day, I'll be able to answer a question or contribute to > the list instead of living in constant lurkdom. This made me think. I've noticed periodically, on this list and others, people apologizing for lurking. Speaking just for me :-) I think it's great that there are people lurking on this list in order to learn! Not everyone has to post frequently, or at all, or be able to answer every question, or any question. I can't tell you how much it thrills me when I meet people (either online or in person) who tells me they lurk on h-cost and learned something from reading my posts. It means I'm reaching a much wider audience than the few dozen names I recognize here. (Sobering thought, that.) I lecture a lot, and that means I give the same information over and over to different audiences, and answer many of the same questions over and over. I don't mind -- that's why I do it -- but when I see how basic the knowledge level is in some groups, I rather wish there were more people lurking and learning here on h-cost, taking that information back to their friends and helping disseminate the knowledge and raising the general level. That ultimately helps all of us, as some of those people will go on to learn more in their own interest areas, and eventually will have good information to share themselves. So this is my big thank-you to the lurkers for being out there. And don't forget, each of you knows *something* that the rest of us don't, so don't be reluctant to share it when you find the opportunity. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 00:38:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31253 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:38:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4U4V3C20540; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U4V1x16632; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U4Uvx16600 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AB6D1E450268; Wed, 29 May 2002 23:32:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c20792$e723d4e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Accepted to Design School!!! (O/T) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 00:31:42 -0400 Status: RO Jessica, This is wonderful news!!!!!!! We are so proud of you!!!!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 00:39:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31258 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:39:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4U4W1C20582; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U4W1x17007; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns.misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U4VPx16807 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:31:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18668 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:31:22 -0700 Message-ID: <3CF5AC37.B1B2A1E7@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Accepted to Design School!!! (O/T) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:36:32 -0700 Status: RO To Jessica- I don't think it's OT when someone is getting a chance to contribute to the body of costume knowledge by going to school to learn more about what's what!!! BTW, which school and where? Congratulations and HAVE FUN!!! (Isn't that the first rule of costume???) Theresa Eacker jessica stier wrote: > > Completely off topic, but I'm so excited I have to shout this out to > everyone I know.... I got accepted to design school!!!! I will be starting > in the Fall. > > Now maybe one day, I'll be able to answer a question or contribute to the > list instead of living in constant lurkdom. > > Yippeeee!!!! > > :) jessica > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 00:46:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31281 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:46:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4U4d0C20926; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U4d0x19180; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U4c4x18854 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AD18185D01F4; Wed, 29 May 2002 23:39:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c20793$e526afe0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lurking X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 00:38:50 -0400 Status: RO My assistant Susan has been being a lurker on h-costume and vintage about a year. She is learning so much... now she is on sew retro and she doesn't even sew! But she is learning and gaining confidence. When we meet she knew very little about costume... except to make great graphics! Susan has come a long way baby! Come out of lurking Susan and say hi! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 04:24:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27231 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:24:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4U8G8C28115; Thu, 30 May 2002 02:16:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U8G1x08598; Thu, 30 May 2002 02:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U8F9x08443 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 02:15:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA20902.; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:15:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:15:04 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] ECW period Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4U8F9x08443 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:14:38 +0100 Status: RO Good to know there's another ECW enthusiast on the list! I reenact that period but don't consider myself any kind of costume expert. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> jmcewen@hawaii.edu 05/28/02 08:54pm >>> Nicole, I'm not very familiar with the Restoration period, but I am very interested in the period preceding (English Civil War in England, musketeer period in France). Do you know much about the transition of fashion between the two periods? I've asked Penny (Costume Classroom) if she could do a class on ECW fashions. She doesn't know of anyone who could teach it, so if anyone out there is willing, please get in touch! Jan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan McEwen, Urban Horticulturist, Urban Garden Center, Pearl City, Hawaii Hawaii Cooperative Extension Service University of Hawaii/College of Tropical Agriculture and Human Resources SCA: Catriona Stewart of the Glens, Barony of the Western Seas, Caid Internet: jmcewen@hawaii.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 04:24:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27235 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:24:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4U8GeC28134; Thu, 30 May 2002 02:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U8Gex08768; Thu, 30 May 2002 02:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U8Fmx08547 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 02:15:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KIC0UQPPAO00FR6L@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:18:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KIC0UP9YC0007G8A@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:18:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 30 May 2002 09:13:23 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 30 May 2002 09:12:32 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.45) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:12:23 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dead(ish) list? In-reply-to: <200205291643.g4TGhXe20163@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <38678C943C4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:12:23 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > HOLLYWOOD pirate re-enactment! *laughs* It is four days of great big > silly fun, pubs and tall ships, sailing on the golden hind along the > Torquay coast and being generally silly. OH YES!!! Just what my > child's heart needed. OH!!!! I am so envious!!! I wanna be there! Hollywood pirates *and* I haven't been sailing in far too long > > I can't say it's one of my favourites (in fact, it's > > actually one of my least favourite....) but then I *know* that > > there are people out there who hate some of my favourites, so it all > > evens out somewhere. > > *dramatic sigh and grip to the heart* Oh Teddy, you just broke my > heart. *winks* Yeah, riiiiight.... > I just wasn't sure, there is rarely something of particular > interest to me, coz I seem to be quite exclusive in my period > taste, though I do save interesting mails on other periods and I > wondered if people actually wanted to har about a different period > to the one they do. Apparently they do and I am very happy. Yay! > Nicole - off to handsew a bit more soon in lunchbreak. Teddy (not got his act together enough to have any handsewing with him, though he really *needs to!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 04:32:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27267 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:32:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4U8P1C28341; Thu, 30 May 2002 02:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U8P0x10234; Thu, 30 May 2002 02:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4U8Odx10179 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 02:24:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020530082439.94657.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:24:39 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <38678C943C4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] 'Pirates' Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:24:39 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > OH!!!! I am so envious!!! I wanna be there! Hollywood pirates > *and* I haven't been sailing in far too long *BIG GRIN* well, we go there with some of our group and also te neighbours who do napoleonic. the great thing is that all kit rom 1550-1800 is allowed. *laughs* super, that means lots of people can come. I am indeed ogling Matt's tricorne, just for one on top of the wig. Ohh, that reminds me, did I ever post the banquet pics from february? I don't think so. Will do in a mo. > (not got his act together enough to have any handsewing with him, > though he really *needs to!) I really have to as well, still have to finish the linen underskirt. Have it with me today, but at 4 got to pick up a friend from the train station here in canterbury, coming from germany for the pirate thingy. Costume content: I finished the black woolen 'over hood' yesterday and sprayed it too, together with the cloak, has two thick layers of scotchguard on, only have a bit left in the can. Treated all my authenti-shoes with a very mild and gentle but powerful anti-weather/wetness foam, one never knows at the west coast... Next project is Ben's 1700 coat and waistcoat, and I better hurry for Hounslow in July! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 04:34:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27273 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:34:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4U8R0C28393; Thu, 30 May 2002 02:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4U8R0x10668; Thu, 30 May 2002 02:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4U8QSx10562 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 02:26:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020530082628.34446.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:26:28 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Baroque Banquet photos Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:26:28 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I really don't know if I have posted this but I don't think so, because I wasn't on the list in February. It's pictures of our annual banquet and us being very silly too! (note, not all that people are wearing is fully authentic and we also have a guest from 100 years later, but a couple of people didn't have kit yet and so we threw some stuff together, after all, it was fun for US, no public) http://www.kipar.org/events/02-02_banquet.html Enjoy! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 07:21:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28080 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:21:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4UBD9C02694; Thu, 30 May 2002 05:13:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UBD1x12473; Thu, 30 May 2002 05:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21501.mail.yahoo.com (web21501.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4UBCmx12408 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 05:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020530111242.75854.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.245.40] by web21501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 12:12:41 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?marcus=20findlay-arthur?= To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Quick greetings Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:12:41 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Hello all,after twenty months since last posting to the list its been a busy time and I've missed being in touch. Hope you're all well and that things have gone well over nearly the past two years for the List and its members. Warm regards, Marcus. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 09:18:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28565 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:18:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4UDB2C06766; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UDB0x08875; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UDAEx08662 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:10:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCgXeKydrUqjPkmLhuMupsjisZdxcVsMzjg=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G33EXFH5; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:08:44 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baroque Banquet photos Message-ID: <20020530.080447.-654323.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-15,17-18,20-21,23,25-48 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 08:04:47 -0500 Status: RO Hi Nicole, and welcome back! The pictures look lovely, I love a group of people who are all dressed on a coherent way so the overal image is authentic (even if certain elements aren't). I will admit that after looking at the banquet pics first, then looking at the 'behind the scenes', it was a shock to see the microwave in the background! Karen On Thu, 30 May 2002 09:26:28 +0100 (BST) =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= writes: > I really don't know if I have posted this but I don't think so, > because I wasn't on the list in February. It's pictures of our annual banquet > and us being very silly too! (note, not all that people are wearing is > fully authentic and we also have a guest from 100 years later, but a couple of > people didn't have kit yet and so we threw some stuff together, after all, it was > fun for US, no public) > > http://www.kipar.org/events/02-02_banquet.html > > Enjoy! > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 09:39:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28627 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:39:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4UDV2C07997; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UDV1x14973; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UDUfx14849 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Sbtalbott@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.1bd.35ba15a (30974) for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:30:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Sbtalbott@aol.com Message-ID: <1bd.35ba15a.2a278375@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1bd.35ba15a.2a278375_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Subject: [h-cost] Re: 2 Coat Patterns/Rocking Horse Farms & Past Patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:30:29 EDT Status: RO --part1_1bd.35ba15a.2a278375_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kayta- I have used both patterns. Rocking Horse Farms was good as far as ease of construction and period-correct lines (though I did have to alter the back as I didn't feel the shoulders were narrow enough for the correct Regency Period look I was trying to achieve--most of the originals I have seen are quite narrow across the shoulders) and it seemed to run a bit small as I recall and I had to alter it overall to be a bit larger (though my husband could have "grown" I'm sure). Also, if you're constructing for a gentleman that has a bit "extra" in the belly, you may have to lengthen the torso a bit to compensate (or encourage the gentleman to perform more situps! :-) ) The Past Patterns Frock Coat went together smoothly for me, but I did find that the lapels tended to roll a bit. If I had to do it again, I would line the lapels with a stiffening fabric to help. Also, I would use a lighter weight wool than I did. Hope this helps a bit. S. Talbott --part1_1bd.35ba15a.2a278375_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kayta-

I have used both patterns.  Rocking Horse Farms was good as far as ease of construction and period-correct lines (though I did have to alter the back as I didn't feel the shoulders were narrow enough for the correct Regency Period look I was trying to achieve--most of the originals I have seen are quite narrow across the shoulders) and it seemed to run a bit small as I recall and I had to alter it overall to be a bit larger (though my husband could have "grown" I'm sure).  Also, if you're constructing for a gentleman that has a bit "extra" in the belly, you may have to lengthen the torso a bit to compensate (or encourage the gentleman to perform more situps! :-)  )  The Past Patterns Frock Coat went together smoothly for me, but I did find that the lapels tended to roll a bit.  If I had to do it again, I would line the lapels with a stiffen! ing fabric to help.  Also, I would use a lighter weight wool than I did.

Hope this helps a bit.

S. Talbott



 --part1_1bd.35ba15a.2a278375_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 09:55:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28735 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:55:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4UDm2C08911; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UDm1x19867; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4UDlfx19738 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:47:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020530134741.44724.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 14:47:41 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baroque Banquet photos To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020530.080447.-654323.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 14:47:41 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > Hi Nicole, > > and welcome back! The pictures look lovely, I love a group of people who > are all dressed on a coherent way so the overal image is authentic (even > if certain elements aren't). I will admit that after looking at the > banquet pics first, then looking at the 'behind the scenes', it was a > shock to see the microwave in the background! > > Karen *laughs* Oh well, Karen, we had the banquet in Matt's parents house (Matt is the one with the red silk breeches and the silly tipsy look on his face and James' borrowed tricorne) Quite a lot of their furniture is authentic our period, and so was part of the room we ate in. It was wonderful! Definitely repeated next year. The food was magnificent, we mainly used Hannah Wooley from the 1670s I believe. (I don't cook...) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 10:11:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28780 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:11:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4UE42C09975; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UE41x25664; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UE3nx25592 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25777 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:26:01 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Need some contacts... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:26:01 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO Could someone who is on either of the SCA-Garb lists (yahoo and UVM) who would be willing to forward an announcement there please contact me privately? Thank you! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 10:35:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28843 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:35:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4UES7C11642; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UES1x05659; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from copacabana.rio.com (root@copacabana.rio.com [66.178.128.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UERKx05348 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [208.137.120.102] (ppp102.t0.rio.com [208.137.120.102]) by copacabana.rio.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g4UERPJ25113 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:27:25 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gary Walker To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] need to leave for a while Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 07:25:32 -0700 Status: RO I'll be un-sub-ing later today. Life is getting too complicated to keep up with all the fascinating and amusing stuff here, but so little is about what we're most interested in... Have fun, learn lots! M. Chimene / Patsy in Eugene OR _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 10:55:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28903 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:55:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4UEm1C13347; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UEm0x14949; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f189.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.189]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UEl6x14516 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:47:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:47:01 -0700 Received: from 68.6.212.114 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 14:47:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.6.212.114] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2002 14:47:01.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB6399A0:01C207E8] Subject: [h-cost] lurking Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 14:47:00 +0000 Status: RO Thanks for the well wishes. I have learned so much on this list and been really inspired by the knowledge and skill of so many of the members of this list. Often I want to post to tell everyone how much I appreciate their contributions, but then I did that everytime I felt that way, I would be posting a lot of O/T items! You guys are fantastic!!! I'm so happy to have found this list! >BTW, which school and where? The school is called Fashion Carreers of California College. It's in San Diego, CA. I liked it a lot better then FIDM and am SO excited about starting!!!! Hope everyone has a great day! :) jessica _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 11:29:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29015 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 11:29:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4UFM3C16544; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UFM2x03063; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UFL0x02499 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KICFLWTK1C00KXZJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:23:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KICFLPTSGC009CZ9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:21:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 30 May 2002 16:16:02 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 30 May 2002 16:15:53 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.45) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:15:47 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick greetings In-reply-to: <200205301114.g4UBEEx12731@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <38D873A1248@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:15:46 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Welcome back Marcus. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 12:14:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00831 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 12:14:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4UG73C21066; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UG71x28255; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UG6bx28046 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:06:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.191.7c671bf (4315) for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 12:06:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Morses3@aol.com Message-ID: <191.7c671bf.2a27a7ff@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_191.7c671bf.2a27a7ff_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Subject: [h-cost] Mid 13th century Danish Clothing sources Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:06:23 EDT Status: RO --part1_191.7c671bf.2a27a7ff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm considering focusing on this era and place and wonder if there are any sources people could suggest for garb ideas. I realize this is later than the usual Viking things and I'm wondering if the clothes were the same as the rest of Europe at this point.. Thanks, Gervase --part1_191.7c671bf.2a27a7ff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm considering focusing on this era and place and wonder if there are any sources people could suggest for garb ideas. I realize this is later than the usual Viking things and I'm wondering if the clothes were the same as the rest of Europe at this point..

Thanks,

Gervase --part1_191.7c671bf.2a27a7ff_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 13:04:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01028 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 13:03:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4UGuCC26087; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UGu4x26398; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UGtYx26110 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:55:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.6.0) with ESMTP id g4UGtWH01545 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020530092356.00a8ac90@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529224629.024b79a0@radiks.net> References: <200205291801.g4TI1fe15727@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_5032281==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Opening seams in tight places (was: Various things) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:46:52 -0700 Status: RO --=====================_5032281==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed A trick for opening those nasty seams is to use the edge of your finger nail and run it along the seam on the back side where you want it to be pressed open. It doesn't produce as flat a seam as ironing would but it's a decent alternative when pressed for space or time >; ) I learned that little trick while on a business trip years ago to China. While inspecting a few CMT houses that the company I worked for contracted with, I watched the individual stitchers pretty carefully. Most of them had grown out their nails on a pinky finger (didn't think to check which hand was preferred) for this reason. Since they were paid by the piece, they'd come up with a solution that didn't involve a trip to the iron. At 10:57 PM 5/29/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, all! > ><>At one point, the instructions tell you to press a seam open - >well, unless you have one of those micro irons (with the tiny triangular >head), it's impossible! (And maybe impossible WITH one of those >irons!) You just can't get to it. > >Sandy Gwyn Carnegie, suffragette University of California, Davis --=====================_5032281==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
A trick for opening those nasty seams is to use the edge of your finger nail and run it along the seam on the back side where you want it to be pressed open. It doesn't produce as flat a seam as ironing would but it's a decent alternative when pressed for space or time >; )

I learned that little trick while on a business trip years ago to China. While inspecting a few CMT houses that the company I worked for contracted with, I watched the individual stitchers pretty carefully. Most of them had grown out their nails on a pinky finger (didn't think to check which hand was preferred) for this reason. Since they were paid by the piece,  they'd come up with a solution that didn't involve a trip to the iron.

At 10:57 PM 5/29/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Hi, all!

<<snip>>At one point, the instructions tell you to press a seam open - well, unless you have one of those micro irons (with the tiny triangular head), it's impossible!  (And maybe impossible WITH one of those irons!)  You just can't get to it. 

Sandy

Gwyn Carnegie, suffragette
University of California, Davis

--=====================_5032281==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 17:30:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02165 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 17:30:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ULMAC22190; Thu, 30 May 2002 15:22:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ULM1x03696; Thu, 30 May 2002 15:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ULLmx03548 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 15:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020530212142.URJT29266.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:21:42 +0000 Message-ID: <0af901c20820$082a97e0$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: <191.7c671bf.2a27a7ff@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] looking for an image of... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:17:04 -0500 Status: RO I have looked almost everywhere, I say almost because obviously I missed where it is since I do not have it, for an image of the 17th century gown that Geena Davis wears in Cutthroat Island. Any and all angles of the dress in its various states as she wears it from complete to where she is ripping pieces of it off so that she can run and stuff. If anyone has made this wonderful fantasy of a dress please email me where I can view it and let me know what pattern you used to modify for it. Thanks! :) Sincerely, Franchesca Vecchio Havas McKinney, Texas `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°` _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 17:30:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02169 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 17:30:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4ULN1C22315; Thu, 30 May 2002 15:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ULN0x04230; Thu, 30 May 2002 15:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4ULMlx04121 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 15:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.1a3.30469b4 (18557) for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 17:22:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Morses3@aol.com Message-ID: <1a3.30469b4.2a27f21c@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a3.30469b4.2a27f21c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 Subject: [h-cost] test please ignore Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 17:22:36 EDT Status: RO --part1_1a3.30469b4.2a27f21c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I got unsubbed my mistake but I'm checking, please excuse the bandwidth..... --part1_1a3.30469b4.2a27f21c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I got unsubbed my mistake but I'm checking, please excuse the bandwidth..... --part1_1a3.30469b4.2a27f21c_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 18:11:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02368 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:11:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4UM45C26120; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UM43x26631; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4UM3kx26481 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:03:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 6896 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 22:20:01 -0000 Received: from 66-81-62-56-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.62.56) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 30 May 2002 22:20:01 -0000 Message-ID: <3CF6A0FC.9E8BA794@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com" , "Clan_of_Garb_Keepe@yahoogroups.com" , "DanegeldTor@yahoogroups.com" , "f-costume@indra.com" , "GSACG@yahoogroups.com" , "h-costume@indra.com" , "ICG-D@yahoogroups.com" , "margospatterns@yahoogroups.com" , "SCA-GARB@LIST.UVM.EDU" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Costume Photos Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:00:28 -0700 Status: RO Hello Over the weekend I won two awards at BayCon 2002 a SF Convention in San Jose. You can see the winning costume at: http://www.2xtreme.net/madly/Costume101/Green_Man.htm Lord Vich (Stephen Bergdahl) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 18:34:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02584 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:34:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4UMR3C28066; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UMR1x08820; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UMQux08767 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:26:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.76.1d04a95c (3976) for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:26:43 -0400 (EDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Message-ID: <76.1d04a95c.2a280123@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Photos To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_76.1d04a95c.2a280123_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10503 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:26:43 EDT Status: RO --part1_76.1d04a95c.2a280123_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steven, That is one fabulous "getup"! As my dear mum would say. I love the leafy theme and the colors. When you can get clearer pics with LOADS of detail, do let us know, and congratulations on your awards. Well met, m'lord! angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "Do you not know I am a woman?. When I think, I must speak." W. Shakespeare In a message dated 5/30/2002 3:04:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, madly@2xtreme.net writes: > Hello > > Over the weekend I won two awards at BayCon 2002 a SF Convention in San > Jose. You can see the winning costume at: > > http://www.2xtreme.net/madly/Costume101/Green_Man.htm > > Lord Vich (Stephen Bergdahl) > _______________________________________________ > --part1_76.1d04a95c.2a280123_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steven,

That is one fabulous "getup"! As my dear mum would say.  I love the leafy theme and the colors.  When you can get clearer pics with LOADS of detail, do let us know, and congratulations on your awards. Well met, m'lord!

angela
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Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
Theatrical Costume Design
www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
"Do you not know I am a woman?.  When I think, I must speak."
W. Shakespeare


In a message dated 5/30/2002 3:04:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, madly@2xtreme.net writes:


Hello

Over the weekend I won two awards at BayCon 2002 a SF Convention in San
Jose.  You can see the winning costume at:

http://www.2xtreme.net/madly/Costume101/Green_Man.htm

Lord Vich (Stephen Bergdahl)
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 --part1_76.1d04a95c.2a280123_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 19:05:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02646 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 19:05:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4UMv2C00528; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UMv1x23156; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.mcn.org (smtp.mcn.org [204.189.12.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4UMukx23046 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:56:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ha-2o-men-p3-m22.mcn.org [63.193.13.130]) by smtp.mcn.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4UMuiha004963 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 15:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Fred Struthers To: h-costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7DA14AC8-7420-11D6-962B-0003936932AA@mcn.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Subject: [h-cost] R. L. Shep Symposium on Textiles and Dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:56:34 -0700 Status: RO FYI h-costume list members "Tradition and Fusion: The Arts of Noh and Kyogen Theater," a two-day symposium will be held at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, December 14-15, 2002. This Triennial R. L. Shep Symposium on Textiles and Dress is held in collaboration with the UCLA Center for Japanese Studies and in conjunction with the major exhibition Miracles and Mischief: Noh and Kyogen Theater in Japan (November 10, 2002 through February 2, 2003) organized by LACMA and the Agency for Cultural Affairs, Government of Japan. The first day includes lectures and demonstrations of traditional theater genres; the second day focuses on contemporary experimental and fusion performances inspired by these traditions. Free of charge, but reservations required. For information e-mail carcione@lacma.org or call 323-857-6081. Sharon S. Takeda Senior Curator and Department Head Costume and Textiles Los Angeles County Museum of Art 5905 Wilshire Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90036 TEL: 323 857-6081 FAX: 323 857-6218 E-mail: stakeda@lacma.org posted by: Fred Struthers -- Books on Cloth a catalog of out-of-print and hard-to-find books on costume, textiles and related subjects -- http://www.rlshep.com distributor RL Shep Publications _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 20:39:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02925 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 20:39:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V0W1C06223; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V0W0x28113; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V0VVx27935 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:31:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust150.tnt8.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.122.150] helo=hppav) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DaKH-0002Fc-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 30 May 2002 20:31:30 -0400 Message-ID: <00d901c2083a$91722ee0$967ae541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Trading Spaces Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 19:31:54 -0500 Status: RO And, if Teddy hasn't picked up on this already, the original was done on BBC, called Changing Rooms. The BBC/USA channel carries it too. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 21:00:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02977 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:00:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V0r1C07366; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V0r0x04570; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V0qSx04435 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:52:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust150.tnt8.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.122.150] helo=hppav) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DaeY-0003Nv-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 30 May 2002 20:52:26 -0400 Message-ID: <00e501c2083d$7e657200$967ae541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Lurking (was: Accepted to Design School!!!) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 19:52:50 -0500 Status: RO Yes indeed, Congratulations. And speaking of lurking which I usually do, I met Robin last night at my local fabric store (Hancocks). When she came in to purchase the last bit of wool she had spotted on a clearance table. I think I may have startled her a bit when I recognized her after asking what she was planning on making with it. And yes I do lurk because some of these discussions are so informative and I'm not sure what I could add to them. Genie (back to lurking) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 21:11:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03000 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:11:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V142C08039; Thu, 30 May 2002 19:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V141x08193; Thu, 30 May 2002 19:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V13Cx07973 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 19:03:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30248 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 20:25:26 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lurking (was: Accepted to Design School!!!) In-Reply-To: <00e501c2083d$7e657200$967ae541@hppav> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 20:25:26 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 30 May 2002, Genie wrote: > And speaking of lurking which I usually do, I met Robin last night at > my local fabric store (Hancocks). When she came in to purchase the > last bit of wool she had spotted on a clearance table. I think I may > have startled her a bit when I recognized her after asking what she > was planning on making with it. Yes, I was startled all right. I answered that I did historic reproductions, and she said, "You're Robin Netherton, aren't you?" I felt almost like a celebrity :-) Turns out that Genie had seen the pictures I mentioned here a few weeks ago, from the Gothic fitted dress workshop, so she must have had at least a vague memory of what I look like. I didn't know that at first, though, so it was quite a surprise. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 23:28:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03438 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:28:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V3L2C14999; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V3L0x17582; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V3K2x17318 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.175.91285b2 (3924) for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:19:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <175.91285b2.2a2845d6@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dead(ish) list? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 23:19:50 EDT Status: RO << I would post a lot more but hey, no one seems to be interested in the period that I am interested in and it seems a waste of time/effort/bandwidth trying to talk about 1660-1715 unless there are people who are actually interested. >> I think Baroque is gorgeous, Nicole, but I doubt I'd know enough about it to carry on an informative correspondence. I do know that many Baroque fashions evolved from styles in my own study period: late 16th century. And pics are always welcome. :) --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 23:31:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03460 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:31:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V3O1C15152; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V3O0x18466; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V3NRx18306 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:23:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.7a.279b309b (3924) for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:23:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.279b309b.2a2846a3@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mourning clothes for reenactment Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 23:23:15 EDT Status: RO << my very thick, dead-straight hair has to be kept off my face with a lot ofkirby-grips >> Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but what's a kirby-grip? --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 23:35:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03482 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:35:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V3S2C15308; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V3S1x19626; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V3RZx19518 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:27:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-126-239.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.126.239]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AGX66716; Fri, 31 May 2002 04:27:25 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <009c01c20854$1a01dd00$ef7e4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <7a.279b309b.2a2846a3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mourning clothes for reenactment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 04:34:41 +0100 Status: RO >Ok, this is probably a dumb question, but what's a kirby-grip? Think you call it a bobby pin ? hair gip, u shaped but with more spring than a victorian type Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu May 30 23:52:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03518 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:52:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V3j1C16259; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V3j1x24254; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V3iWx24137 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:44:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.15]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020531034426.QMEL20219.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:44:26 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020530224413.02558c00@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <0af901c20820$082a97e0$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> References: <191.7c671bf.2a27a7ff@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] looking for Helleu prints Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 22:46:21 -0500 Status: RO Greetings, All you late 19th century and early 20th century folks out there might be able to help me... I'm looking for prints and info in books on Paul-Cesar Helleu. He did some beautiful portraits, many of which the women are wearing nice hats...he seemed to mainly concentrate on faces and heads, without a lot of detail, if any to the body and the rest of the clothes... Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 00:14:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03583 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 00:13:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V462C17219; Thu, 30 May 2002 22:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V461x29767; Thu, 30 May 2002 22:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V45Cx29584 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 22:05:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.2f.2814afc2 (3924) for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 00:05:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.2814afc2.2a285071@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Fitting questions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:05:05 EDT Status: RO << 1. Is there a particular fitting technique to overcome the problem of a lopsided bosom? ie one side bigger than the other. It's not something that makes much of a difference in modern clothes, but in a relatively low cut, especially square neck, tight bodice I find it does. The neckline tends to get pulled a bit out of shape and and when most of the mass of the breast is pushed up or flattened the size difference is more noticeable. Or is this just one of those 'fiddle till you get it right' thing? >> A friend of mine was a full cup size smaller on one side after surgery on her esophagus. We solved the problem by getting her a pair a breast enhancers. She only wore one, on the small side, sewn into the bodice between the lining and interlining of her gothic fitted gown. Worked like a charm. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 00:29:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03612 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 00:29:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V4M1C17995; Thu, 30 May 2002 22:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V4M0x04016; Thu, 30 May 2002 22:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V4Llx03962 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 22:21:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.c5.239ed6d1 (3924) for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 00:21:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mourning clothes for late 17th c Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:21:39 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/29/02 4:01:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << Elizabeth Pepys was not at all impressed with her mother in law's death, because it was spring and she had just gotten a new fancy silk dress and was so annoyed that the following year, when they would come out of mourning, it would be out of fashion! >> Wow! Talk about self-centered! LOL --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 00:38:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03632 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 00:38:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V4V1C18370; Thu, 30 May 2002 22:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V4V1x06405; Thu, 30 May 2002 22:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V4UGx06227 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 22:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.94.271343d3 (3924) for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 00:30:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <94.271343d3.2a285651@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Is everything alright? (A response from Fabrics-store.com) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:30:09 EDT Status: RO << Thanx so much for sharing that with us! I was beginning to panic-war is-a-comin and I need linen! >> Oops! I bet my primary client had something to do with them running low, seeing as how he bought two 20-yd bolts of white linen within a month. I've been sewing it all into 12th century undertunics for him. Glad they restocked for ya. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 03:46:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31989 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:46:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V7d2C23701; Fri, 31 May 2002 01:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V7d0x18786; Fri, 31 May 2002 01:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V7c4x18605 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 01:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A8CB3051012C; Fri, 31 May 2002 02:39:55 -0500 Message-ID: <024a01c20876$1b54ca60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Wearing White Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 03:38:07 -0400 Status: RO Where did the tradition of not wearing white until before Memorial Day and not after Labor Day begin? Why is the trend fading out? To me... it would be start at Easter... since white has so much symbolism during the Easter season... white communion and confirmation dresses. Now I am not going to tackle this question... I am working on the origins of buttoning which side for what sex question. (like a need another project, but I am determined) Maybe we should assign this wearing white question to someone to research... where is our new college student???? BTW, I have found white communion gowns as early as 1850 in a fashion plate. I think they became fashionable because of Queen Victoria's wedding dress. But it is a hunch. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 03:51:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32036 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:51:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V7i0C23823; Fri, 31 May 2002 01:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V7i0x19883; Fri, 31 May 2002 01:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V7hpx19840 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 01:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id BAA28096 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 May 2002 01:03:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200205310803.BAA28096@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 01:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO "Penny Ladnier" wrote: [...] > BTW, I have found white communion gowns as early as 1850 in a fashion plate. > I think they became fashionable because of Queen Victoria's wedding dress. > But it is a hunch. Isn't that when white wedding dresses started being shown as the "ideal" in the fashion plates? I do remember seeing young ladies graduation dresses for finishing schools in white from about that period, as well. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 04:15:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32237 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 04:15:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V871C24764; Fri, 31 May 2002 02:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V870x24440; Fri, 31 May 2002 02:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V86qx24416 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 02:06:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02657.; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:05:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:04:51 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4V86qx24416 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:04:24 +0100 Status: RO Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> penny@costumegallery.com 05/31/02 08:38am >>> wrote: >Where did the tradition of not wearing white until before Memorial Day and >not after Labor Day begin? Why is the trend fading out? To me... it would >be start at Easter... since white has so much symbolism during the Easter >season... white communion and confirmation dresses. You'll have to explain this for the benefit of non-Americans, Penny. I know from news bulletins that your Memorial Day happened recently (in Britain we remember the war dead on Nov. 11th) but when is Labor Day and why may you not wear white between them? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 04:41:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32319 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 04:41:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V8Y2C25263; Fri, 31 May 2002 02:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V8Y1x29688; Fri, 31 May 2002 02:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V8Xmx29652 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 02:33:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A5DB30FE012C; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:35:39 -0500 Message-ID: <025401c2087d$d32d70e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 04:33:21 -0400 Status: RO Kate, Sorry Kate! Labor Day is the first Monday in Sept. It is a national holiday. Memorial Day is always the last Monday in May. It is a day to remember those who died in service to their country. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 04:57:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32402 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 04:57:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V8o1C25583; Fri, 31 May 2002 02:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V8o1x03478; Fri, 31 May 2002 02:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V8nwx03457 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 02:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A9A5311C012C; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:51:49 -0500 Message-ID: <025c01c20880$13e4e800$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Memorial Day Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 04:49:29 -0400 Status: RO Mentioning Memorial Day... My husband was at the new WW2 monument at Bedford, VA and it honors those from all countries that fought at the Invasion of Normandy. For those who have not seen this monument, it is wonderful! It is nested in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains in Bedford, Virginia. The mountains are all around the monument. Such a peaceful setting. The monument is built life size like the torrents (sp) on the beach. There are life-like statues of the men in action. There are also those star-like weapon replicas (I don't know their name) that were scattered on the beach. Except at the monument, they are all over the entrance way and drive up to the monument. This monument is very special to the people of Bedford. It is a very small town. They lost more men per capita than any other town or city in the Invasion at Normandy. The towns people are very willing to talk with you about it. My husband took 20 Boys Scouts between the ages of 12-17 y.o. to spend the weekend on one of the veteran's farm. They all pitched their tents. The host had lined up several of the surviving Bedford veterans as guest speakers. They each told the Scouts their story of the event. Everyone was so touched by this. If anyone is interested in taking a group of Scouts to Bedford, let me know personally and I can provide you with the contact information. If you are planning a vacation this way, it is worth going off the beaten path to see. Plus if you are leaving from Richmond, you can go by Appromatax Courthouse on the way. On a family trip we did in a one day trip... Appromatax, The WW2 Memorial, went to an apple orchard, then drove across the Blue Ridge Parkway at sunset. Total cost... we had to pay at Appromatax and buy apples at the orchard... no more than $40. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 05:19:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA32444 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:19:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V9C5C26043; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:12:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V9C1x08348; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V9BYx08253 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:11:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07434.; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:11:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:11:28 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4V9BYx08253 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:11:18 +0100 Status: RO Yes, but what is the story about wearing/not wearing white? Do I understand you to say that you may only wear it between those dates? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> penny@costumegallery.com 05/31/02 09:33am >>> Kate, Sorry Kate! Labor Day is the first Monday in Sept. It is a national holiday. Memorial Day is always the last Monday in May. It is a day to remember those who died in service to their country. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 05:30:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA32474 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:30:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V9N2C26363; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V9N1x08982; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V9MKx08823 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:22:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A13B315A012C; Fri, 31 May 2002 04:24:11 -0500 Message-ID: <028d01c20884$8b4d4f00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 05:21:27 -0400 Status: RO Yes, that has been the American tradition for as long as I have been alive. You can only wear the color white during those months... meaning you can't wear white in like the month of Oct. You can wear other colors year around. Where in the world did this start? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 05:35:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA32483 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:35:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V9R2C26608; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V9R1x10344; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V9Q9x10021 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pool0018.cvx25-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.216.18] helo=[209.179.218.85]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Difg-0006kF-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 31 May 2002 02:26:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 02:28:39 -0700 Status: RO Kate Bunting wrote: >You'll have to explain this for the benefit of non-Americans, Penny. >I know from >news bulletins that your Memorial Day happened recently (in Britain >we remember >the war dead on Nov. 11th) but when is Labor Day and why may you not >wear white >between them? Penny answered in part... but didn't mention that we also "celebrate" on Nov. 11 - we call it Veterans' Day - to remember those who fought in wars; Memorial Day, in May, is for those who died in wars (originally established for a particular war, now more generic). The white thing is that white is considered a summer color, and summer vacation is sort of framed by Memorial Day at the end of May and Labor Day at the beginning of September. Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 05:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA32491 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:36:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V9T1C26691; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V9T1x10817; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.slumberland.org (mx.slumberland.org [216.162.201.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4V9Sjx10759 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:28:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.162.201.13] (HELO [192.168.1.24]) by mx.slumberland.org (Stalker SMTP Server 1.8b9d11) with ESMTP id S.0000939144 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 01:43:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: litlnemo@mx.slumberland.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <028d01c20884$8b4d4f00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <028d01c20884$8b4d4f00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Wendi Dunlap-Simpson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 02:28:32 -0700 Status: RO At 5:21 AM -0400 5/31/02, Penny Ladnier wrote: >Yes, that has been the American tradition for as long as I have been alive. >You can only wear the color white during those months... meaning you can't >wear white in like the month of Oct. You can wear other colors year >around. I thought it was just that you couldn't wear white SHOES except in the summer. White shirts, sweaters, etc. are OK year-round, but white shoes are traditionally not worn before Memorial Day or after Labor Day. -- -- Wendi *-----------------------+---------------------------------------+-------* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear / / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"-----* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 05:47:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA32518 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:47:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V9e1C26963; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V9e0x12999; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V9dkx12953 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KIDHZ0CYXC00D64Y@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:42:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KIDHYL9ZU80092HK@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:39:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:34:23 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 31 May 2002 10:34:08 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:34:04 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trading Spaces In-reply-to: <200205310851.g4V8pDx03721@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:34:03 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > And, if Teddy hasn't picked up on this already, the original was done > on BBC, called Changing Rooms. The BBC/USA channel carries it too. It started during the period when I didn't have a television, so i knew nothing about it until people started referring to what I was doing to their houses as "giving them the Changing Rooms treatment"... To me it was just them lettingme have fun redesigning/decorating bits of their living-space Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 05:51:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA32531 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:51:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V9i1C27096; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V9i0x13888; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V9hux13877 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KIDI89YKNK00A9UE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:46:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KIDI85WCPM0092HK@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:46:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:41:19 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 31 May 2002 10:41:13 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:41:07 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting recognized (WAS: Lurking) In-reply-to: <200205310851.g4V8pDx03721@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:41:06 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Yes, I was startled all right. I answered that I did historic > reproductions, and she said, "You're Robin Netherton, aren't you?" > I felt almost like a celebrity :-) > > Turns out that Genie had seen the pictures I mentioned here a few > weeks ago, from the Gothic fitted dress workshop, so she must have > had at least a vague memory of what I look like. I didn't know that > at first, though, so it was quite a surprise. Get used to it Robin, you're a marked woman now... I've had to get used to total strangers saying "Oh, so *you're* Teddy!" and friends telling me that they happened to mention my name and someone turned 'round and asked if they meant, "the Teddy who..." and it always turning out to be me. Once, I ran into a friend at a large (thousands of people) music festival who told me she *knew* I was there, despite it not being my sort of event at all, because one of the people she was camping with had described someone they saw and she knew it could only be me... So much for my childhood ambitions of being inconspicuous so I could become a spy or secret-agent. The Spy's Guidebook doesn't tell you about "hiding in plain sight" and being so obvious no-one would suspect you. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 05:55:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA32541 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:55:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V9m1C27220; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V9m1x14777; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V9lSx14683 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:47:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A7209E40226; Fri, 31 May 2002 04:49:20 -0500 Message-ID: <02b601c20887$ff98b400$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <028d01c20884$8b4d4f00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 05:46:11 -0400 Status: RO Hi Wendi!!!!! I am also a Dunlap!!!! There was another Dunlap on the list a while back... Hope!! Are you still there? Dunlap in Scotland means... "one who knows a lot about what everyone else is wearing." LOL!!! Hmm... I usually go professionally by Penny E. Dunlap Ladnier. Forgot it in my signature tag... but it is one the front of my website. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendi Dunlap-Simpson" To: Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White > At 5:21 AM -0400 5/31/02, Penny Ladnier wrote: > >Yes, that has been the American tradition for as long as I have been alive. > >You can only wear the color white during those months... meaning you can't > >wear white in like the month of Oct. You can wear other colors year > >around. > > I thought it was just that you couldn't wear white SHOES except in > the summer. White shirts, sweaters, etc. are OK year-round, but white > shoes are traditionally not worn before Memorial Day or after Labor > Day. > > -- > -- Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 05:59:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA32568 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:59:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4V9q1C27316; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4V9q1x15553; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21407.mail.yahoo.com (web21407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4V9pUx15445 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 03:51:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020531095130.51091.qmail@web21407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web21407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:51:30 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= To: Historic Costuming , H-costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] interlining a doublet Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:51:30 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Greetings, Before I fly off to Orlando on sunday (conference), I'd like to ask a technical type question. I am going to take with me the 1585 doublet from Patterns of Fashion as something to do in the evenings. Now it is going to be made from a lovely chocolate coloured wool and lined with pink linen. However I am also going to interline it with some rough linen (courtesy of British Army surplus). The doublet is going to be stitched as panels then joined together. My question is hoe do I sew the interlining in without having to add it to the seams? Can anyone help? Thanks Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 06:25:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA32675 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:25:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VAG2C27968; Fri, 31 May 2002 04:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VAG1x20444; Fri, 31 May 2002 04:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx.slumberland.org (mx.slumberland.org [216.162.201.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4VAFKx20266 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 04:15:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.162.201.13] (HELO [192.168.1.24]) by mx.slumberland.org (Stalker SMTP Server 1.8b9d11) with ESMTP id S.0000939158 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 02:30:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: litlnemo@mx.slumberland.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <02b601c20887$ff98b400$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <028d01c20884$8b4d4f00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <02b601c20887$ff98b400$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Wendi Dunlap-Simpson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 03:12:03 -0700 Status: RO At 5:46 AM -0400 5/31/02, Penny Ladnier wrote: >Hi Wendi!!!!! > >I am also a Dunlap!!!! There was another Dunlap on the list a while back... >Hope!! Are you still there? Dunlap in Scotland means... "one who knows a >lot about what everyone else is wearing." LOL!!! And here I thought it meant something about a muddy hill or something... who knew? :) Are we related? My Dunlap ancestors come from Pennsylvania, but then again it seems as if most American Dunlaps are either from PA or KY. I don't think I know that much about what everyone else is wearing... yet! But I am working on it. :) I did just drive my husband nuts this week when we finally got around to watching Frontier House on the TiVo, because I was complaining that the women were dressed scandalously and running around in their underwear in public. He disagreed. Big argument! :) -- -- Wendi *-----------------------+---------------------------------------+-------* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear / / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"-----* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 08:04:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00660 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:04:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VBv9C00599; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:57:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VBv1x12086; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VBu6x11818 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.fb.26f47447 (4209) for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mourning clothes for late 17th c To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:55:56 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/31/02 1:22:40 AM SA Eastern Standard Time, Azelana@aol.com writes: << Elizabeth Pepys was not at all impressed with her mother in law's death, because it was spring and she had just gotten a new fancy silk dress and was so annoyed that the following year, when they would come out of mourning, it would be out of fashion! >> Wow! Talk about self-centered! LOL >> Well, it was her MOTHER_IN LAW! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 08:20:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00715 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:20:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VCD1C01033; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCD0x15746; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCCwx15734 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:12:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A93A31E7012C; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:14:50 -0500 Message-ID: <02e301c2089c$06c83660$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] New Addition Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:09:33 -0400 Status: RO I have added another website: A Year in Fashion: 1870. http://www.costumegallery.com/LadysFriend/ It contains 2 color fashion plates that you can click on each person in the plate and view an enlargement with a description of the costume. Articles in this issue are about petticoats, caps, a swimsuit, and the History of Bonnets. The Bonnet article has a timeline pictorial. If you click on a bonnet in the collage, you will see an enlargement and details of it. There are also three more pages of text linked under the timeline. We are working on pinning down the dates a little more. We have a couple of people looking at them who these time periods are their specialty. Please remember that this article was written in 1870. Now, I can finally go to sleep.....ZZZZZZZ my work is done! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 08:34:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00748 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:34:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VCR1C01481; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCR1x18998; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCQHx18816 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:26:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [132.236.139.158] ([132.236.139.158]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16517; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <028d01c20884$8b4d4f00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <028d01c20884$8b4d4f00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: "M. Stewart" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:39:57 -0700 Status: RO Wearing white.... It was always explained to me as an adaptation of military dress rules. The Navy here in America wears "Dress Whites" as the formal uniform for the summer time. And the rest of the year it is "Dress Blues". Any way, that's the story I was told. Mari Mari Stewart, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 08:41:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00795 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:41:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VCY1C01776; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCY0x20730; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCXpx20667 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AE1E3230012C; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:35:42 -0500 Message-ID: <031601c2089e$e460cf80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Forgot on thing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:30:04 -0400 Status: RO Gosh....... I woke up on the keyboard... In the Color Plates section of A Year in Fashion: 1870, the second plate. It looks like a bridal party ensemble. But click on the little girl's image on the left. The description is for a 1st communion dress. A first communion gown in July... that is planning way in advance since first communion is around Easter time. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 08:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00813 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:43:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VCa1C01830; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCa0x21266; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCZNx21075 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AE7C323D012C; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:37:16 -0500 Message-ID: <031d01c2089f$1b70e140$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <028d01c20884$8b4d4f00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <028d01c20884$8b4d4f00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:31:36 -0400 Status: RO Mari, Have you ever heard of the start and cut off dates... you may have something here. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 08:44:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00832 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:44:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VCb2C01872; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCb1x21557; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCaBx21330 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [132.236.139.158] ([132.236.139.158]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08375 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: "M. Stewart" Subject: [h-cost] buttoning direction Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:49:51 -0700 Status: RO OK... while I'm in the mode to spread information that I've only received through hearsay.... On buttoning traditions for men and women... here goes... The story I've heard, and can't substantiate, is that the tradition started in the Puritan circles of England. The reason was to preserve modesty. In the Puritan tradition men sat on one side of the chuch, and women on the other... the buttoning convention started as a way to prevent accidental, or intentional peeking at the other sex, should their clothes gape between buttons. Anyway, that's the story. Mari Mari Stewart, Cornell University, Ithaca NY _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 09:01:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00873 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:01:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VCs1C02546; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCs0x25935; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCrfx25846 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:53:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [132.236.139.158] ([132.236.139.158]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20148 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <031d01c2089f$1b70e140$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <028d01c20884$8b4d4f00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <028d01c20884$8b4d4f00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: "M. Stewart" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:07:21 -0700 Status: RO Hey Penny - I am not familiar with the dates set for the rollover of uniform. However, I'll bet that the ROTC group on campus would know. A quick search of the internet brings up way too many sites for me to find the information quickly. Mari Mari Stewart, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 09:04:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00878 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:04:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VCv1C02656; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCv1x26672; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f171.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.171]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCu3x26478 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:55:57 -0700 Received: from 63.12.14.19 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:55:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.12.14.19] From: "Rebecca Anderson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] May Day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2002 12:55:57.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[81E778F0:01C208A2] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 22:25:57 +0930 Status: RO
Hello,
this is not realy costume related, but can anyone tell me about mayday customs. I know that it is a spring time celebration.  I have heard that it was a pagan custom, but I have also heard that it was also celebrated in the later centurys. Also what is the significance of the pole?
Rebecca
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_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 09:05:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00885 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:05:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VCw1C02752; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCw0x27020; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VCvCx26761 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 06:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A3971C7A0232; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:59:03 -0500 Message-ID: <032f01c208a2$20e1fa80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttoning direction X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:53:14 -0400 Status: RO Well that is a new one! APPLAUSE for finding a new version! (quit finding more places for me to research) BTW, my husband checked on the U.S. Navy website... the official uniform color for the season is "summer whites". So is the U.S. Air Force's mess dress... only to be worn in the summer. He is searching for the start and stop dates of the colors... of which I am sure the military has set dates for wearing it... I didn't know my husband still had his white mess dress from the Air Force until I asked about the dates a few minutes ago. Now, I am really going to bed... my new cousin Wendi might talk about the bags under my eyes and lack of change of clothing. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 09:14:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00900 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:14:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VD71C03122; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VD70x29378; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VD69x29130 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:06:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A5B116A60272; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:08:01 -0500 Message-ID: <033c01c208a3$58cfcca0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <028d01c20884$8b4d4f00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <028d01c20884$8b4d4f00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:01:57 -0400 Status: RO Here is the answer to the question of the day (my fashion trivia husband found it) http://ae.boston.com/fashion/stories/white.htm Look about half way down the story. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 09:19:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00914 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:19:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VDC1C03366; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDC1x00916; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ca-exchange.yourcall.com (ip90-96.yourcall.com [63.210.90.96] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDBix00830 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: From: "Peavy, Tish" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wearing White Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:13:15 -0500 Status: RO *~*At 5:21 AM -0400 5/31/02, Penny Ladnier wrote: *~*>Yes, that has been the American tradition for as long as I *~*have been alive. *~*>You can only wear the color white during those months... *~*meaning you can't *~*>wear white in like the month of Oct. You can wear other *~*colors year *~*>around. *~* Growing up in the Southern part of the US and having a couple southern belle grandmothers. . . I was always told that you could not wear white shoes, gloves, or cardigan sweaters except during this period of time. I was never told why you couldn't, just that that was the rule. And I have seen people get nasty looks if they do so, especially in a church setting. Tish Peavy in the very hot and humid Alabama _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 09:27:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00930 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:27:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VDK0C03679; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDK0x03454; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDJxx03430 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:19:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a24.in-tch.com [66.62.107.4]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4VD6pv23096 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:06:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CF779C1.DF6B36FB@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White References: <028d01c20884$8b4d4f00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:25:21 -0600 Status: RO Dunno, Penny.... And you might also want to consider if it's a regional thing--was it more popular in some parts of the US than others, etc.? Or were certain fibers (that happened to come more easily in lighter or bleached shades) more appropriate for warm summer weather? ISTR some corelative "fashion law" about only wearing navy during the other half of the year. (My brain is working slow this morning--I'm checking on email and drinking tea before going to work)--Have you thought of checking with those museums that have substantive clothing collections from the time period most likely to be covered by this? --Sue, mumbling back into bleary-eyed lurkdom.... Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Yes, that has been the American tradition for as long as I have been alive. > You can only wear the color white during those months... meaning you can't > wear white in like the month of Oct. You can wear other colors year > around. > > Where in the world did this start? > > Penny Ladnier _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 09:28:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00936 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:28:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VDL1C03731; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDL1x03763; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDKUx03651 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:20:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A90D7ED0282; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:22:21 -0500 Message-ID: <035201c208a5$5189b300$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:16:04 -0400 Status: RO Tish, I grew up in the deep South too... Mississippi Gulf Coast. I'm a southern belle too.. just live a little more north to Virginia now. I was told the same thing by my mom. We are having an early Spring this year and have been wearing my white sandal clogs for the past two months. And against what that article says about wearing out white shoes... I wear them everyday in warm weather and they are four years old. They still look great! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 09:32:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00950 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:32:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VDP1C03968; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDP0x04930; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDO7x04693 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:24:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a24.in-tch.com [66.62.107.4]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4VDB1v24070 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CF77ABB.EF40B6C8@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttoning direction References: <032f01c208a2$20e1fa80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:29:31 -0600 Status: RO Going to bed???? At almost 7 in the morning??? Are you some sort of serious night-owl, Penny? --Sue, laughing (the only version of button-direction I'm aware of is the one about women needing assistance from right-handed maids, blah blah....) Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Well that is a new one! APPLAUSE for finding a new version! (quit finding > more places for me to research) > > BTW, my husband checked on the U.S. Navy website... the official uniform > color for the season is "summer whites". So is the U.S. Air Force's mess > dress... only to be worn in the summer. He is searching for the start and > stop dates of the colors... of which I am sure the military has set dates > for wearing it... I didn't know my husband still had his white mess dress > from the Air Force until I asked about the dates a few minutes ago. > > Now, I am really going to bed... my new cousin Wendi might talk about the > bags under my eyes and lack of change of clothing. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 09:44:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01021 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:44:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VDb2C04529; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDb1x08531; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDaXx08358 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:36:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id ACD11829028C; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:38:25 -0500 Message-ID: <036b01c208a7$84b1ca40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <032f01c208a2$20e1fa80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3CF77ABB.EF40B6C8@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttoning direction X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:31:49 -0400 Status: RO Now Sue... I normally work from 10PM to 5 or 6 AM. My creatively flows late at night. I am up late today, because I wanted to finish that latest section to the Gallery. Now I am waiting for the phone repair service person. I know the second I fall a sleep, they will ring the door bell. If I wasn't so tired, I would start a new section to the Gallery. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 09:49:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01031 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:49:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VDg4C04815; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDg4x10118; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ca-exchange.yourcall.com (mail.yourcall.com [63.210.90.96]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDftx10064 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:41:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: From: "Peavy, Tish" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wearing White Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:43:21 -0500 Status: RO I have never worried much about it since I moved away from my parents house. My mother was a big stickler for the "rules". I usually start wearing white sandals as soon as it get hot, which as you mentioned was about 2 months ago! Maybe it has a lot to do with the heat and what is cooler. . . at least for this part of the US? Tish *~*-----Original Message----- *~*From: Penny Ladnier [mailto:penny@costumegallery.com] *~*Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:16 AM *~*To: h-costume@indra.com *~*Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White *~* *~* *~*Tish, *~* *~*I grew up in the deep South too... Mississippi Gulf Coast. *~*I'm a southern *~*belle too.. just live a little more north to Virginia now. *~*I was told the *~*same thing by my mom. We are having an early Spring this *~*year and have been *~*wearing my white sandal clogs for the past two months. And *~*against what *~*that article says about wearing out white shoes... I wear *~*them everyday in *~*warm weather and they are four years old. They still look great! *~* *~*Penny Ladnier *~*Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom *~*http://www.costumegallery.com *~*http://www.costumeclassroom.com *~* *~* *~* *~* *~* *~*_______________________________________________ *~*h-costume mailing list *~*h-costume@mail.indra.com *~*http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume *~* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 09:51:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01040 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:51:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VDi1C04960; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDi1x10743; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDhOx10525 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:43:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a24.in-tch.com [66.62.107.4]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4VDUHv29837 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:30:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CF77F40.BABEA37B@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttoning direction References: <032f01c208a2$20e1fa80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3CF77ABB.EF40B6C8@in-tch.com> <036b01c208a7$84b1ca40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:48:48 -0600 Status: RO Oh, man, girl....when do you *sleep*???, seeing as you're a mom-person and all, on top of everything else???? --sue, a night person with a day job, who learned to adjust Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Now Sue... I normally work from 10PM to 5 or 6 AM. My creatively flows late > at night. I am up late today, because I wanted to finish that latest > section to the Gallery. Now I am waiting for the phone repair service > person. I know the second I fall a sleep, they will ring the door bell. > > If I wasn't so tired, I would start a new section to the Gallery. > > Penny Ladnier _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 09:59:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01059 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:59:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VDqCC05400; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:52:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDqBx13342; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g4VDpRj13096 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:51:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] interlining a doublet Message-ID: <20020531075127.A10465@net.indra.com> References: <20020531095130.51091.qmail@web21407.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020531095130.51091.qmail@web21407.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:51:27 -0600 Status: RO On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 10:51:30AM +0100, Rachel wrote: > My question is how do I sew the interlining in without > having to add it to the seams? I would cut the interlining to the size of the lining piece without the seam allowances, then mount the interlining on the lining. Mounting is generally done by tacking the two fabrics together at regular intervals. You could also sew along the interlining edges - it wouldn't be too noticeable when looking at the lining because the stitches would be near the seams. Then sew the lining and fabric together, and the interlining should butt the seams but not be in them. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 10:05:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01107 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:05:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VDw2C05799; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDw1x15644; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.228]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDvnx15569 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:57:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marthakelly (24-193-84-108.nyc.rr.com [24.193.84.108]) by nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with SMTP id g4VDwIPW011492 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:58:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wearing White Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:58:52 -0300 Status: RO Have you noticed that you can wear white in the months you can't eat oysters. Now isn't that a comfort! I grew up in the Kentucky Bluegrass area where the "white-shoe/straw hat" rule was strictly adhered to. Now that I live in New York City I think white shoes - EVER - give you away as a tourist. Well, I always thought my Kentucky dad looked pretty spiffy in his seersucker suit, white shoes and straw hat. Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 10:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01174 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:10:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VE32C06092; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VE31x17581; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VDxhx16379 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:59:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.136.233]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020531135936.SOYZ29794.out008.verizon.net@default> for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:59:36 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020531135927.006f4b6c@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:59:27 -0400 Status: RO At 09:04 AM 5/31/02 +0100, you wrote: > > >Kate Bunting >Library, University of Derby > >>>> penny@costumegallery.com 05/31/02 08:38am >>> wrote: >>Where did the tradition of not wearing white until before Memorial Day and >>not after Labor Day begin? Why is the trend fading out? To me... it would >>be start at Easter... since white has so much symbolism during the Easter >>season... white communion and confirmation dresses. > >You'll have to explain this for the benefit of non-Americans, Penny. I know from news bulletins that your Memorial Day happened recently (in Britain we remember the war dead on Nov. 11th) but when is Labor Day and why may you not wear white between them? Memorial day is a Holiday created to remember those that dies in the American Civil War. I think it used to be celebrated on an actual date but back when I was a child a number of holidays stopped being celebrated on their actual date, but rather on a Monday near the date. This allowed for three day weekends. This is true of all three of the holidays I shall mention in this post. Memorial day always fall right around my birthday (last week of May). Labour day (honoring laborers) is early September. These are often used to measure summer socially, and that is the reason for the determination. Though you have it backwards. Those who followed this rule ONLY wore white between these dates. This custom seems to have been more practiced here in the American South, than where I grew up (California). In fact I never even heard of it until I moved here. Further more there have been exceptions such as those already mentioned. Nov. 11th is also a holiday here in the U.S. Chosen for the same reason as it is honoured in Britain, the ending of World War I (Eleventh hour of the eleventh day, of the eleventh month). Formally called Armistice day, it was later changed to honor all veterans (veterens day) and it is observed now on a Monday rather than the actual date. Where I worked we also used it to commerate emergency service personel last year, due to 9-11. I remain, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 10:14:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01184 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:14:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VE71C06378; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VE70x19197; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VE6ex19056 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A3E035DB0270; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:08:32 -0500 Message-ID: <038801c208ab$aff516e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <032f01c208a2$20e1fa80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3CF77ABB.EF40B6C8@in-tch.com> <036b01c208a7$84b1ca40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3CF77F40.BABEA37B@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttoning direction X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:01:39 -0400 Status: RO I sleep while the kids are in school. I wake up when they are coming home. In the summertime... they sleep late too. Not... all my kids are creative too. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 11:04:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01496 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:04:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VEv2C10047; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VEv1x11173; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VEu2x10701 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pool0267.cvx25-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.217.12]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Dnou-0003qx-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:56:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lilinah@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttoning direction Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:58:18 -0700 Status: RO "M. Stewart" wrote: >On buttoning traditions for men and women... here goes... > >The story I've heard, and can't substantiate, is that the tradition >started in the Puritan circles of England. The reason was to preserve >modesty. In the Puritan tradition men sat on one side of the chuch, and >women on the other... the buttoning convention started as a way to prevent >accidental, or intentional peeking at the other sex, should their clothes >gape between buttons. This question came up on another list, so i researched it a bit. The buttoning tradition didn't begin until the 19th century and the industrial mass production of clothing. In fact, it was not really standardized until the end of the 19th c./beginning of the 20th c. Before then, it didn't matter or mean anything which way men's and women's clothes buttoned. All the stories about swords and sex and secrets were romanticized explanations created in the 20th c. for something rather "mundane". Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 11:41:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01583 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:41:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VFY2C13079; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VFY0x29754; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VFXYx29465 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:33:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [132.236.139.158] ([132.236.139.158]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22395 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: To: h-costume@indra.com From: "M. Stewart" Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttoning direction Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:47:14 -0700 Status: RO Thank you - It's always nice to clear these things up. Mari > >This question came up on another list, so i researched it a bit. > >The buttoning tradition didn't begin until the 19th century and the >industrial mass production of clothing. In fact, it was not really >standardized until the end of the 19th c./beginning of the 20th c. > >Before then, it didn't matter or mean anything which way men's and >women's clothes buttoned. > >All the stories about swords and sex and secrets were romanticized >explanations created in the 20th c. for something rather "mundane". > >Anahita Mari Stewart , Cornell University, Ithaca NY _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 11:44:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01592 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:44:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VFb3C13324; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VFb1x01437; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VFaBx01054 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OqfjJI3r1wwdflLDxI9DASM="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G359QT3Q; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:35:28 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White Message-ID: <20020531.083406.-130785.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-10,12-14 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:13:18 +0000 Status: RO Being a Northwesterner (Oregon), I don't think we really care out here. White's just cooler in the summer, that's all. Where I live, open-toed Birkies are popular all year long--the difference is wool socks, cotton socks, or no socks! I think it's more of a Northeastern thing. Arlys (clothes are for wearing, not for stressing over) On Fri, 31 May 2002 07:25:21 -0600 Sue Clemenger writes: > Dunno, Penny.... > And you might also want to consider if it's a regional thing--was it > more popular in some parts of the US than others, etc.? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 12:09:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01705 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:09:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VG11C15454; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VG10x14764; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VG0Gx14310 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.32.27b5f532 (657) for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <32.27b5f532.2a28f803@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:00:03 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/31/02 10:12:22 AM SA Eastern Standard Time, tish.peavy@yourcall.com writes: << Growing up in the Southern part of the US and having a couple southern belle grandmothers. . . I was always told that you could not wear white shoes, gloves, or cardigan sweaters except during this period of time. I was never told why you couldn't, just that that was the rule. And I have seen people get nasty looks if they do so, especially in a church setting. >> Me too. No kidding! Wool [even light weight] was also not to be worn during this spring/summer season without side glances and the clicking of tongues at church. And of course brown shoes after 5:00pm [I was reminded of this by a Laugh In rerun!]. Not evening wear, y'know. Of course that was the rich social side of the family. My mother's people were well to do but lived out in the county on a farm and were not so tied to the same kind of rules. They had a whole different set. I love Florence King's southern belle grandmother's advice like: "Never let a man sit in a chair you've just gotten up out of. The heat from your body will drive him wild!" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 12:42:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01835 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:42:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VGV1C18184; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VGV0x01510; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VGUax01278 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:30:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-relay02-en1.mac.com (smtp-relay02-en1 [10.13.10.225]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g4VGUaEM018242 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay02-en1.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g4VGUUKs008738 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.95.177.85] ([128.95.177.85]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GWZHUU00.M10 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:30:30 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for Helleu prints From: Agnes G To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020530224413.02558c00@mail.attbi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g4VGUax01278 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:30:36 -0700 Status: RO Danielle - I looked in the Library of Congress catalog and there are 5 entries but they are all old. Neither my university library or city library has any of them but here's the information in case it helps at all... Coordinating council of French relief societies inc. New York. and G. d. Batz (1943). Helleu & Sargent drawings. New York City. Helleu, P. (1907). A gallery of portraits : reproduced from original etchings. London, Edward Arnold. Montesquiou-Fâezensac, R. (1913). Paul Helleu, peintre et graveur. Paris,, H. Floury. Paris. Bibliotháeque nationale., J. Vallery-Radot, et al. (1955). Helleu; exposition. Paris,. Wedmore, F., B. Rogers, et al. (1901). Dry-points by Paul Helleu. New York, Frederick Keppel & Co. > From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg > Greetings, > > All you late 19th century and early 20th century folks out there might be > able to help me... I'm looking for prints and info in books on Paul-Cesar > Helleu. He did some beautiful portraits, many of which the women are > wearing nice hats...he seemed to mainly concentrate on faces and heads, > without a lot of detail, if any to the body and the rest of the > clothes... Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 12:44:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01850 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:44:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VGb1C18820; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VGb0x04718; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VGaux04686 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.6.0) with ESMTP id g4VGatH05130 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020531085815.0488a960@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] interlining a doublet In-Reply-To: <20020531075127.A10465@net.indra.com> References: <20020531095130.51091.qmail@web21407.mail.yahoo.com> <20020531095130.51091.qmail@web21407.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_5019937==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:35:41 -0700 Status: RO --=====================_5019937==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Another way of doing it would be to treat the interlining as if you were flat-lining the garment. I've seen 2 ways to help ease bulk in a seam area though neither one is particular fast. One way is to make sure you use a fairly long basting stitch when building the outer flat-lined garment. Just pull the threads after you have stitch your construction seams and then carefully trim or "grade" back the interlining as close to the construction seam as you dare. The thread takes up more room then you realize but be careful not trim the interlining too far back because depending on the weave of the interlining fabric, you could have the fibers open up and pull back with wear. Another way, which is much more elegent but time consuming, is use a fairly long basting stitch when building the outer flat-lined garment and pull it like above. But in this case, trim the outer fabric seam back (but not the interlining) then iron all the seams open. Then carefully turn the interlining piece under and hand baste or whip stitch the interlining to the interlining. This is a flat-lining / lining hybrid that I've seen used with incredible results. Personally, I mostly flat-line everything that's coat-ish and press the seams open then whip stitch the seams open. It's just a stability thing and I've found that I can wash almost anything pretty roughly and still have the garment retain it's shape without ironing. I'll do anything to not have to iron, including obsessive amounts of hand sewing apparently **laughs** Whether these two are the period methods for that garment, I'd have to pull Arnold before I could say. I seriously doubt method # 2 is for 16th c. although it's close and could probably fall into the "Bicycles and Top Hats" category of costume construction rationalization. And as always, use the above advice carefully - your mileage may vary >; ) At 07:51 AM 5/31/2002 -0600, you wrote: >On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 10:51:30AM +0100, Rachel wrote: > > My question is how do I sew the interlining in without > > having to add it to the seams? > >I would cut the interlining to the size of the lining piece without >the seam allowances, then mount the interlining on the lining. >Mounting is generally done by tacking the two fabrics together at >regular intervals. You could also sew along the interlining edges - >it wouldn't be too noticeable when looking at the lining because the >stitches would be near the seams. > >Then sew the lining and fabric together, and the interlining should >butt the seams but not be in them. > > ...eliz Gwyn Carnegie, suffragette University of California, Davis --=====================_5019937==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Another way of doing it would be to treat the interlining as if you were flat-lining the garment.

I've seen 2 ways to help ease bulk in a seam area though neither one is particular fast. One way is to make sure you use a fairly long basting stitch when building the outer flat-lined garment. Just pull the threads after you have stitch your construction seams and then carefully trim or "grade" back the interlining as close to the construction seam as you dare. The thread takes up more room then you realize but be careful not trim the interlining too far back because depending on the weave of the interlining fabric, you could have the fibers open up and pull back with wear.

Another way, which is much more elegent but time consuming, is use a fairly long basting stitch when building the outer flat-lined garment and pull it like above. But in this case, trim the outer fabric seam back (but not the interlining) then iron all the seams open. Then carefully turn the interlining piece under and hand baste or whip stitch the interlining to the interlining. This is a flat-lining / lining hybrid that I've seen used with incredible results.

Personally, I mostly flat-line everything that's coat-ish and press the seams open then whip stitch the seams open. It's just a stability thing and I've found that I can wash almost anything pretty roughly and still have the garment retain it's shape without ironing. I'll do anything to not have to iron, including obsessive amounts of hand sewing apparently **laughs**

Whether these two are the period methods for that garment, I'd have to pull Arnold before I could say. I seriously doubt method # 2 is for 16th c. although it's close and could probably fall into the "Bicycles and Top Hats" category of costume construction rationalization.

And as always, use the above advice carefully - your mileage may vary >; )

At 07:51 AM 5/31/2002 -0600, you wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 10:51:30AM +0100, Rachel wrote:
> My question is how do I sew the interlining in without
> having to add it to the seams?

I would cut the interlining to the size of the lining piece without
the seam allowances, then mount the interlining on the lining.
Mounting is generally done by tacking the two fabrics together at
regular intervals.  You could also sew along the interlining edges -
it wouldn't be too noticeable when looking at the lining because the
stitches would be near the seams.

Then sew the lining and fabric together, and the interlining should
butt the seams but not be in them.

                                                ...eliz

Gwyn Carnegie, suffragette
University of California, Davis
--=====================_5019937==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 12:55:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01882 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:55:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VGm1C19889; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VGm0x10558; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VGlwx10512 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:47:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWZ0019GINXA0@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Photos In-reply-to: <3CF6A0FC.9E8BA794@2xtreme.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020531084806.00c37440@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:45:13 -0700 Status: RO Congratulations to you on this fine costume. As one of the Masquerade judges on the spot, I assure everyone the costume is very nicely made (we ignored the Birkenstocks the model was wearing). His two awards were, as I recall, a 'Best Workmanship' award (in class? in show?) and a 'Best Historical' in the so-called 'Pro' class. (We're working on getting BayCon to call that class something which doesn't imply doing costuming for a living, as calling it 'Pro' lets non-pro several-time winners get away with entering the 'Novice' class, their only other option.) In person one can see the little details which got this costume the workmanship award. These include metal aiglets with the lacing ribbons sewn to beads at the tips so they don't come out. There are artificial leaves in the shoulder puffings and added to the purchased mask. All the edges are nicely finished, even under the arm where they mostly didn't show. The lining looked good too (we peeked). >Over the weekend I won two awards at BayCon 2002 a SF Convention in San >Jose. You can see the winning costume at: > >http://www.2xtreme.net/madly/Costume101/Green_Man.htm > >Lord Vich (Stephen Bergdahl) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 12:56:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01887 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:56:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VGmAC19914; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:48:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VGm9x10672; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:48:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VGlwx10518 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:47:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.108]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWZ0019GINXA0@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 May 2002 09:47:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White In-reply-to: <024a01c20876$1b54ca60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020531092955.00d95100@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:47:49 -0700 Status: RO >Where did the tradition of not wearing white until before Memorial Day and >not after Labor Day begin? Why is the trend fading out? To me... it would >be start at Easter... since white has so much symbolism during the Easter >season... white communion and confirmation dresses. My grandmother who was born in 1880 said it was no white shoes till after Easter, and stop wearing them about Labour Day. She didn't say why, or how long it had been the custom. I suspect the custom is at least as old as she is, but can't prove it. My grandmother adhered to the rule, but didn't insist that anyone else did (my mother didn't), and she never left the house without hat and gloves either. This branch of the family comes from New England, upstate New York, Wisconsin, and Montana, and this grandmother lived in California since my mother was little. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 13:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01934 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:10:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VH22C21244; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VH21x18269; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VH1Mx17905 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:01:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p143.directcon.net [209.233.107.143]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g4VH16lP014915; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:01:07 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020531091744.007f9150@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting recognized (WAS: Lurking) In-Reply-To: References: <200205310851.g4V8pDx03721@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:17:44 -0700 Status: RO Yes, I've had this happen, too. At the Renn Faire we recently produced, one of the booth people needed scissors for something, and was told to go look for Margo Anderson. Two other people nearby exclaimed, "You mean THE Margo Anderson is here?" I call this condition being a "microcelebrity". Danielle, Teddy, and I, among others, enjoy international fame (or is it notoriety?) due to this list and others like it, but the actual number of people who know of us is probably a few thousand or less. Ah, well, if I'd wanted fame on a big scale I'd have stuck to my teenage goal of being a rock star. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 13:28:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01971 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:28:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VHK1C23214; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VHK1x28635; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14004.mail.yahoo.com (web14004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4VHJ5x28075 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020531171905.59935.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.88.3] by web14004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:19:05 PDT From: Cin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting recognized (WAS: Lurking) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO > The Spy's Guidebook doesn't tell > you about "hiding in plain sight" and being so obvious no-one would > suspect you. Teddy, I'm pretty sure George Smiley wears gray, not orange. I'm sure it's in the book under "innocuous". (1) ref. "Smiley's People", "The Honorable Schoolboy", and all those other books by John LeCarré. ===== --cin Cynthia hysteria95126@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 13:31:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01997 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:31:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VHODC23633; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:24:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VHODx01197; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:24:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g4VHNhr00899 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:23:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Photos Message-ID: <20020531112343.C19345@net.indra.com> References: <3CF6A0FC.9E8BA794@2xtreme.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3CF6A0FC.9E8BA794@2xtreme.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:23:43 -0600 Status: RO >http://www.2xtreme.net/madly/Costume101/Green_Man.htm I'm glad Stephen had a good experience with Realm of Regalia, as Kathy really enjoys her business. She can also be found at Pennsic, where I got some truly lovely Chinese-motif trims from her last year. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 13:42:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02026 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:42:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VHZ5C24563; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:35:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VHZ1x07384; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10301.mail.yahoo.com (web10301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.79]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4VHY3x06838 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:34:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020531173401.86303.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.120.56.37] by web10301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 18:34:01 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] interlining a doublet To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020531085815.0488a960@blue.ucdavis.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-37611309-1022866441=:83558" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:34:01 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-37611309-1022866441=:83558 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There are two ways of interlining a doublet properly (without stitching the interlining into the seams. The first (as already suggested) is to stitch the interlining to the lining using an even running stitch (this is the best way if the doublet has a peascod front, because you can stitch in the padding as you go. It's also the best for anything with a silk outer, as the stitching is only visible internally). The second, if the outer of the doublet is of woollen fabric, the interlining should be pad stitched in. Pad stitching is a tailoring technique. You work up and down the piece, before making up, holding it over your left hand. You make a horizontal stitch, catching as little as possible of the outer fabric (no more than a single thread is needed), and then move down to do the next stitch, so you end up with no stitching visible on the right side, but columns of long diagonal stitches on the wrong side. Both of the above methods are used in extant examples in various museums (and can also be seen in Arnold). hope this helps, Debbie (Deborah Lough Costumes) --------------------------------- Sign up to watch the FIFA World Cup video highlights from your desk! http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/en --0-37611309-1022866441=:83558 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

There are two ways of interlining a doublet properly (without stitching the interlining into the seams.

The first (as already suggested) is to stitch the interlining to the lining using an even running stitch (this is the best way if the doublet has a peascod front, because you can stitch in the padding as you go. It's also the best for anything with a silk outer, as the stitching is only visible internally).

The second, if the outer of the doublet is of woollen fabric, the interlining should be pad stitched in.  Pad stitching is a tailoring technique.  You work up and down the piece, before making up, holding it over your left hand.  You make a horizontal stitch, catching as little as possible of the outer fabric (no more than a single thread is needed), and then move down to do the next stitch, so you end up with no stitching visible on the right side, but columns of long diagonal stitches on the wrong side.

Both of the above methods are used in extant examples in various museums (and can also be seen in Arnold).

hope this helps,

Debbie (Deborah Lough Costumes)

 


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Hmm, not exactly haute couture... except in Silicon Valley. "Want to make a big splash at the next Def Con? LAN Party? Office meeting? Do you work in tech support? Have you ever used Windows for even a brief moment? Be the envy of anyone who has ever crashed." http://www.errorwear.com/errorwear.html ===== --cin Cynthia hysteria95126@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 14:35:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02179 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:35:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VIRgC29050; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:27:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VIRfx05010; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:27:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VIMmx02617 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4VIMkJJ020811 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:22:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Fri, 31 May 2002, Kate M Bunting wrote: > You'll have to explain this for the benefit of non-Americans, Penny. I know from news bulletins that your Memorial Day happened recently (in Britain we remember the war dead on Nov. 11th) but when is Labor Day and why may you not wear white between them? One can wear white shoes between Memorial Day (last Monday in May) and Labor Day (first Monday in September), i.e. for summer, but not between Labor Day and Memorial Day (i.e., fall, winter and spring), except for Easter. I always heard this applied to shoes, not to clothing in general. Winter whites (ecru, off-white) are allowed, however, during the fall, winter and spring seasons. I don't know where this started, or why, but since I hardly ever wear white (I'm sure to get something on it), I've never paid it much attention anyway! -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 14:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02186 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:35:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VIRvC29078; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:27:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VIRux05147; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VIOQx03433 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A1D5810F3A3 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <015001c208d0$4109b450$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020531084806.00c37440@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Photos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:23:25 -0400 Status: RO Couldn't you call the levels "Beginner" and "Experienced"? Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Photos > Congratulations to you on this fine costume. As one of the Masquerade > judges on the spot, I assure everyone the costume is very nicely made (we > ignored the Birkenstocks the model was wearing). His two awards were, as I > recall, a 'Best Workmanship' award (in class? in show?) and a 'Best > Historical' in the so-called 'Pro' class. (We're working on getting BayCon > to call that class something which doesn't imply doing costuming for a > living, as calling it 'Pro' lets non-pro several-time winners get away with > entering the 'Novice' class, their only other option.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 14:50:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02247 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:50:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VIgiC00669; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:42:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VIghx12700; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VIcRx10574 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:38:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4VIcQJJ022899 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:38:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttoning direction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That might work, _except_ that for most of the 17th and 18th centuries, women's clothing didn't frequently button. Hooks and eyes and lacing were much more common on women's clothing, except for man-styled garments like riding habits, which would be worn with a waistcoat underneath anyway, rendering the idea of 'peeking' a bit useless... and gowns with comperes (buttoning stomachers) appear toward the end of the 18th c., too, but I doubt that the descendants of the original Puritans cared that much about that sort of thing. I still suspect that it's mostly a Victorian thing, having to do with clothing being ready-made... I think when we discussed this before, someone did a survey of 18th c. costume and found that clothes could and did button either way. Cheers, Mara On Fri, 31 May 2002, M. Stewart wrote: > OK... while I'm in the mode to spread information that I've only received > through hearsay.... > > On buttoning traditions for men and women... here goes... > > The story I've heard, and can't substantiate, is that the tradition > started in the Puritan circles of England. The reason was to preserve > modesty. In the Puritan tradition men sat on one side of the chuch, and > women on the other... the buttoning convention started as a way to prevent > accidental, or intentional peeking at the other sex, should their clothes > gape between buttons. > > > Anyway, that's the story. > > > Mari _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 17:03:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03162 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:03:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VKuCC11470; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VKu4x22785; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f165.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VJk8x16726 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:46:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:46:03 -0700 Received: from 207.137.181.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:46:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.137.181.62] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2002 19:46:03.0336 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC025480:01C208DB] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:46:03 -0700 Status: RO As an American girl, I must just have been badly brought up, because I never even heard about this tradition until I was in COLLEGE! (Los Angeles, late 60s-mid 70s). We always had white shoes for Easter, and it just never occurred to me (or anyone I ever heard of) to think about it. Eventually, I had a friend in college who assumed I knew all about this, presumably because Maggie knows everything ;) but I learned it from her! So I still don't know why you weren't supposed to wear white only in the summer. I'm just happy no one seems to care any more, if they ever did. MaggiRos >From: "Penny Ladnier" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White >Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 05:21:27 -0400 > >Yes, that has been the American tradition for as long as I have been alive. >You can only wear the color white during those months... meaning you can't >wear white in like the month of Oct. You can wear other colors year >around. > >Where in the world did this start? > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 17:06:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03173 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:06:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VKwkC11734; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:58:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VKwjx24321; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f268.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.146]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VJsUx21262 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:54:25 -0700 Received: from 207.137.181.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:54:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.137.181.62] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2002 19:54:25.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[F71067B0:01C208DC] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:54:24 -0700 Status: RO LOL, well there must be some truth in it at least, although you have to wonder why the idea only seems to caught on in the States. On white shoes: The same friend's mother used to say "Some people have big feet; some people wear white shoes." MaggiRos ~killing time at work >From: "Penny Ladnier" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White >Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:01:57 -0400 > >Here is the answer to the question of the day (my fashion trivia husband >found it) >http://ae.boston.com/fashion/stories/white.htm Look about half way down >the >story. > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 17:06:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03177 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:06:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VKx7C11824; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:59:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VKx6x24570; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:59:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VK8cx28826 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1a-220.lbrlks.adelphia.net [68.64.140.220]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07503; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:08:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3CF7D844.7DBFBDFA@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume , SCA Garb List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Portrait at auction Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:08:37 -0600 Status: RO There's an interesting portrait at Sotheby's: MD/Marged _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 17:07:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03181 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:07:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VL04C12042; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VL04x25212; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VKYJx12083 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:34:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.70] (as3-4-84.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.70]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g4VKYFF15817 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <191.7c671bf.2a27a7ff@aol.com> References: <191.7c671bf.2a27a7ff@aol.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mid 13th century Danish Clothing sources Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:19:39 -0700 Status: RO At 12:06 PM -0400 5/30/02, Morses3@aol.com wrote: >I'm considering focusing on this era and place and wonder if there >are any sources people could suggest for garb ideas. I realize this >is later than the usual Viking things and I'm wondering if the >clothes were the same as the rest of Europe at this point.. I highly recommend looking at Marc Carlsen's web pages on surviving medieval garments . He has a good proportion of the Scandinavian material from that general era, and it will give you a good starting point for look-and-feel. You're correct in supposing that the styles look a lot more "generic northern European" by that point, and not at all "Viking". (I have a very vivid recollection of answering a question specifically about 13th century Danish clothing on _some_ costume list previously, so you might want to search the archives and see what turns up.) Heather Jones -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 17:26:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03228 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:26:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VLJ1C13647; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VLJ0x04997; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VLIVx04738 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:18:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway (ppp-208-171-197-192.01.promedia.net [208.171.197.192]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g4VLITx14421 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:18:29 -0700 Message-ID: <00c201c208e8$abe1c4d0$0100a8c0@gateway> From: "Joan Broneske" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] May Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C208AD.FBD8A980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:18:06 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C208AD.FBD8A980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe it is a phallic symbol, representing the union of Father Sky = with Mother Earth in the Heiros Gamos or Great Marriage/Rite. ,%%%, Joan Broneske --=3D=3D% `%%%, unicorn@softcom.net |' )`%%, \_/\ @%%, __@@" %%%--"""-.%, /`__| \%% \\ \ / | /'%, \] | /----'. < `%, || `>> > || ///` /( //( ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rebecca Anderson=20 To: h-costume@net.indra.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 5:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] May Day Hello, this is not realy costume related, but can anyone tell me about mayday = customs. 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_______________________________________________ h-costume = mailing=20 list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C208AD.FBD8A980-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 17:36:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03290 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:36:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VLT2C14432; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VLT1x09935; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VLSCx09533 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from straight [216.42.122.221] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.06) id ACC360100D8; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:36:03 -0400 From: "STRAIGHT " To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wearing White Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:39:08 -0400 Status: RO I'm new on your list, sort of. Been reading a while. Not new to clothes, though, so here's my 2 cents if you don't mind. Years ago, before the the development of machines to pick seeds out of the cotton, most people only had 2 choices of material ----wool or cotton. Working, or playing, on a warm summer day, wearing wool doesn't appeal to me very much, and probably didn't to the earlier Americans either. So the only good alternative was linen, which was easy to wash, easier to bleach than to dye, and actually stronger when it's damp, humid, and wet. It looks lovely when trimmed with quite simple techniques such as pleats or lace edging, or embroidery, including white on white, and can be easily starched and ironed to be crisp and delightful. As for the dates, the weather has been changing lately, but those dates were established more or less in the northeast US, and that's just about when the weather changes. Easter moves around, but white has been favored for Easter, first communion, and baptism for a very long time, as symbols of purity and innocence. Memorial Day, May 30, and Labor Day, the first Monday in Sept., were established at a time when people generally lived more formally than we do now, and the custom of delineating the change of seasons that way developed very quickly, a holdover from detailed Victorian formality. And they do coincide with the change of seasons very well, along with major changes in activities. In NYS, school still starts right after Labor Day. With a little luck, Memorial Day is also the end of the spring mud season, and it becomes reasonably practical to wear white shoes for a 3 or 4 months. We get a lot of rain in the fall again, and all the kids grew over the summer and need new shoes for school, so it's back to dark ones. So the white/dark is both practical, comfortable, appropriate, and makes a nice decided start and end to the fashion season, so nobody had to wonder or worry about what was appropriate for an occasion. Diane S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 18:35:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03478 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 18:35:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VMS3C19350; Fri, 31 May 2002 16:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VMS1x08430; Fri, 31 May 2002 16:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VMRYx08231 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 16:27:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.136.233]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020531222727.YMZI3416.out011.verizon.net@default> for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:27:27 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020531222718.006fc668@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:27:18 -0400 Status: RO At 02:22 PM 5/31/02 -0400, you wrote: >On Fri, 31 May 2002, Kate M Bunting wrote: >> You'll have to explain this for the benefit of non-Americans, Penny. I know from news bulletins that your Memorial Day happened recently (in Britain we remember the war dead on Nov. 11th) but when is Labor Day and why may you not wear white between them? > >One can wear white shoes between Memorial Day (last Monday in May) and >Labor Day (first Monday in September), i.e. for summer, but not between >Labor Day and Memorial Day (i.e., fall, winter and spring), except for >Easter. I always heard this applied to shoes, not to clothing in general. > >Winter whites (ecru, off-white) are allowed, however, during the fall, >winter and spring seasons. > >I don't know where this started, or why, but since I hardly ever wear >white (I'm sure to get something on it), I've never paid it much attention >anyway! > >-- Mara Here in Virginia it is clothing, NOT just shoes, and many women still conform to the custom Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 19:08:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03652 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:08:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VN19C21339; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VN17x20989; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:01:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VN0Vx20758 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from straight [216.42.122.221] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.06) id A26758F0134; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:08:23 -0400 From: "STRAIGHT " To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020531222718.006fc668@mail.verizon.net> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Subject: [h-cost] American Patriotic Holidays Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:11:28 -0400 Status: RO In the U.S., Memorial Day is, or was, May 30, a national holiday, when people used to go to the cemetaries and fix them up for the summer, and have family get-togethers. Now it has been moved to the nearest Monday, along with some other holidays, to create 3 day weekends and avoid breaking up the workweek so much, so it was officially observed last Monday, and yes, at least in the northeast, as it usually is done freezing by now, traditionally cemetary urns are filled and people do spruce up graves. I believe it originally was in honor of those who died in the Civil War, around 1860. There also are lots of parades and ceremonies, but primarily it honors those who have died. We also do Veterans Day, Nov. 11. Generally too cold for many parades in the northeast, but there are lots of ceremonies and things, usually to honor living war veterans as well as the dead. That, of course, originated at the end of WW2, just like yours. The 11th hour, of the 11th day. We have a whole bunch of other patriotic holidays too, almost one a month. I'm a church organist, and it gets to be a challenge to find something seasonal to play, that's appropriate, that's not the same things all the time. Diane S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 19:32:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03709 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:32:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VNP3C22533; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VNP0x28804; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f66.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.66]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VNO9x28563 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 May 2002 16:24:03 -0700 Received: from 207.137.181.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 23:24:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.137.181.62] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait at auction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2002 23:24:03.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[409FB5D0:01C208FA] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 16:24:03 -0700 Status: RO Great sleeves! >From: Mary Denise Smith >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume , SCA Garb List >Subject: [h-cost] Portrait at auction >Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:08:37 -0600 > >There's an interesting portrait at Sotheby's: > > > >MD/Marged >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 19:50:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03752 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:50:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4VNh2C23273; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VNh1x03859; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4VNg1x03624 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020531234155.GSAR29266.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 23:41:55 +0000 Message-ID: <04e901c208fc$ddf90320$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: <3CF7D844.7DBFBDFA@costumemag.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait at auction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:41:35 -0500 Status: RO Earlier this week I got my catalog of auction catalogs from Sotheby's. There is a huge amount of auctions for Old Masterworks happening in June alone. I would recommend that we all visit the site frequently for design inspiration! :) Sincerely, Franchesca Vecchio Havas McKinney, Texas `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°` ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Denise Smith" To: "h-costume" ; "SCA Garb List" Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] Portrait at auction > There's an interesting portrait at Sotheby's: > > > > MD/Marged > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 21:11:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03982 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:11:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g51141C27327; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g51140x28214; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g51138x27853 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:03:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.ea.286673ad (4568) for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:02:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttoning direction To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:02:50 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/31/2002 8:58:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: << Well that is a new one! APPLAUSE for finding a new version! (quit finding more places for me to research) >> I heard that version a long time ago. But, as I alluded to in my first posting on the subject this time around, it doesn't really make sense, because women were not wearing garments that buttoned in front as a general rule during the Cromwell period. So it sounds very much like a much later explanation. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 21:12:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03987 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:12:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g51122C27224; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g51121x27525; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5111bx27426 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:01:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.7e.28522b2c (4568) for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:01:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.28522b2c.2a2976e9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttoning direction To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:01:29 EDT Status: RO And it always turns cold here in Washington the first week Navy whites are to be worn! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 21:12:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03992 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:12:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g51151C27389; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g51150x28513; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5114Gx28307 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.6f.28460de7 (4568) for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:04:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.28460de7.2a297787@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:04:07 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/31/2002 9:12:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tish.peavy@yourcall.com writes: << gloves, >> I think white gloves are correct all the time, but definitely the white shoes are restricted (except, as Miss Mannners pointed out, for brides and tennis players). Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 21:16:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04012 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:16:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g51190C27541; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g51190x29763; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5118Ax29445 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:08:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g51189Y21187 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006e01c20908$e092ca60$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Patriotic Holidays MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:08:39 -0400 Status: RO Greetings-- > In the U.S., Memorial Day is, or was, May 30, a national > holiday, when people used to go to the cemetaries and fix > them up for the summer, and have family get-togethers. It was originally called Decoration Day, but the focus was always on the war dead (although it's often a tradition to visit any family gravesites on that weekend, not just veterans') > We also do Veterans Day, Nov. 11. Generally too cold for > many parades in the northeast, but there are lots of > ceremonies and things, usually to honor living war veterans > as well as the dead. That, of course, originated at the end > of WW2, just like yours. The 11th hour, of the 11th day. The difference being is that poppies are sold here on Memorial Day (if you see them at all--they're not as ubiquitous as in Canada or Britain) as opposed to around November 11, and most people you run into have no clue as to why poppies were chosen. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 21:23:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04038 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:23:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g511G1C27825; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g511G1x02581; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g511Fkx02449 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:15:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from straight [216.42.122.221] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.06) id A21910410136; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:23:37 -0400 From: "STRAIGHT " To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] buttoning direction Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <7e.28522b2c.2a2976e9@aol.com> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:26:43 -0400 Status: RO For a woman, who would be most apt to be holding a baby in her left arm, it would be the most convenient to reach across and unfasten something with her right hand and pull it open, whether it be pinned, hooked, or buttoned, especially when it comes to nursing a baby. I know, not all, but *most* people are right handed. For a man, it goes back to leaving the sword or weapon or working arm free, usually the right arm, so it would be more logical to be able to reach across with the left hand and unfasten a jacket or whatever. Formally, the woman still tradionally stands at the man's left, so his sword arm is free to defend her (or hold the horse)----and it goes back that far, w-a-y back. The clothes fastening customs are more ancient than people think, as are many others. Diane S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 21:27:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04046 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:27:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g511K1C27984; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g511K1x04118; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g511JMx03820 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:19:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.59.1c524af7 (24898) for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:19:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <59.1c524af7.2a297b04@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Patriotic Holidays To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:19:00 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 5/31/02 8:01:36 PM SA Eastern Standard Time, STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net writes: << those who died in the Civil War, around 1860. >> Not to be too picky but in 1860, the Civil War hadn't started yet. It wasn't over 'til April of '65 so Memorial Day has to start after that. More than half the decade through. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 21:37:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04086 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:37:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g511U3C28449; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g511U2x07355; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:30:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.wt.net (sys31.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g511TQx07130 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kverscho (216-119-131-135.ipset11.wt.net [216.119.131.135]) by smtp.wt.net (8.12.3/8.12.2) with SMTP id g511SnE2028037 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:28:50 -0500 Message-ID: <004b01c2090b$c68fd380$878377d8@wt.net> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: <006e01c20908$e092ca60$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Patriotic Holidays MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 20:29:27 -0500 Status: RO > > > We also do Veterans Day, Nov. 11. Generally too cold for > > many parades in the northeast, but there are lots of > > ceremonies and things, usually to honor living war veterans > > as well as the dead. That, of course, originated at the end > > of WW2, just like yours. The 11th hour, of the 11th day. I need to butt in here..but Veterans day was originally Armistice Day, honoring the end of WWI not WWII. The reason I am so clear on this is that my fathers birthday is Nov 11, 1923 and as a child he always thought the parades were partially in honor of his birthday. Karen Verschoor http://kverschoor0.tripod.com/home.htm Houston, TX _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 21:39:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04095 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:39:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g511W2C28596; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g511W1x08189; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g511VOx07938 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:31:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from straight [216.42.122.221] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.06) id A5C5C4B0152; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:39:17 -0400 From: "STRAIGHT " To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] American Patriotic Holidays Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <006e01c20908$e092ca60$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:42:23 -0400 Status: RO <<<<<<,around November 11, and most people you run into have no clue as to why poppies were chosen.>>>>>. I do. From the poem, "In Flanders Fields". In Flanders Fields, where poppies grow, among the crosses row on row................." World War I. My husband's uncle was killed in France in that war. He was a teacher and a high school principal, he volunteered. There's a book about him, I think the title is "Let's Go". His wife never married again. My husband is named after him. His mother and sister went on a government sponsored trip to Europe for Gold Star Mothers, to visit Flanders Fields and the cemetaries there. The poppies were blooming, apparently they grow wild there like we have daisies. She brought back seeds from them and they grew. The house is just up the road from me, we still own it, and the poppies are in blossom now. I think they are about what are called Iceland Poppies, annuals, they don't last very long in the spring, but do reseed themselves. And they are that particular orange color. Diane S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 21:49:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04126 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:49:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g511g1C28901; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g511g0x11790; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g511fpx11735 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:41:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from straight [216.42.122.221] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.06) id A838AF0013E; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:49:44 -0400 From: "STRAIGHT " To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] American Patriotic Holidays Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <004b01c2090b$c68fd380$878377d8@wt.net> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:52:49 -0400 Status: RO You know, you're absolutely right! I had forgotten about that. Too much time spent just sittin' and thinkin' today. That's neat, parades on his birthday! Smiles, Diane S. <<<< Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04221 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:12:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g51252C29555; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g51250x17866; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5123xx17513 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p203.directcon.net [209.233.107.203]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g5123dnv020423; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:03:40 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020531182055.0083c640@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait at auction In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:20:55 -0700 Status: RO At 04:24 PM 05/31/2002 -0700, Maggie Secara wrote: >Great sleeves! And I love the fur trim. Interesting cut on the robe/overgown thingie, including little pendant sleeve bits hanging down in back. Now where did I put that box of fur? Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 22:19:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04318 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:19:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g512C2C29797; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g512C1x19886; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g512Box19825 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:11:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 23015 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 02:09:49 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082019.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.82.19) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 02:09:49 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020531211825.00a0b230@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Photos In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020531084806.00c37440@mail.frys.com> References: <3CF6A0FC.9E8BA794@2xtreme.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:19:10 -0500 Status: RO At 09:45 AM 5/31/02 -0700, you wrote: >We're working on getting BayCon to call that class something which doesn't >imply doing costuming for a living, as calling it 'Pro' lets non-pro >several-time winners get away with entering the 'Novice' class, their only >other option.) Aren't the classes usually "Novice", "Journeyman" and "Master" for costume competitions? Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 22:23:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04373 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:23:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g512G1C29934; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g512G0x21091; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g512Fqx21033 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:15:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p203.directcon.net [209.233.107.203]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g512FJnv022065; Fri, 31 May 2002 19:15:20 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020531183235.0083e9c0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait at auction In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:32:35 -0700 Status: RO You know, I jsut checked the estimated price on this painting. I did NOT need to know that I could own an original Gheerharts for $2-3000. Ten times that would be impossible, but $2-3000 has me thinking..."if I just start making costumes for money again---and pack lunches, and drive the old clunker car for another year....." Oh, dear, I'm in trouble now. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri May 31 22:42:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04429 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:42:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g512Z3C00916; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g512Z1x25924; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g512Yrx25884 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:34:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2130.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.130]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05230 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:33:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF831DE.42D93DAF@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White References: <32.27b5f532.2a28f803@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 22:30:54 -0400 Status: RO Hi, All. It's funny that you should be discussing this subject. I just had a class of 4th Graders (10-11 year olds to our European associates) out at our historic site. I was trying to explain to them the changes that have occurred in clothing in the past 50 years, to make it relevant regarding the clothing I was wearing (1630s-40s). I had to explain to them that in their grandfather/mother's times ( 40 or 50 years ago), it was considered impolite, even in the summer, to be out and about without a hat and jacket on for most folks. I was trying to explain the reason that I was wearing a shirt (singlet, and long-sleeved, at that) with a doublet. I told them that their dress (short pants and tee shirts, sneakers with no socks, etc.) would have been positively scandalous to not only folks of the early colonial period, but folks only a few generations back. By the looks on their faces, I think some of them thought I was kidding! I still have horrible memories of going to Sunday school in a (lightweight, but still uncomfortable) wool suit in the spring, and being so relieved when I was able to wear my light blue cotton seersucker suit as it became hotter. Mike T. (a child of the 60s, literally) > > > No kidding! Wool [even light weight] was also not to be worn during this > spring/summer season without side glances and the clicking of tongues at > church. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jun 1 00:07:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04676 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:07:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g51403C04853; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g51401x16993; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g513x8x16799 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06544 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 23:21:27 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait at auction In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020531183235.0083e9c0@pop.directcon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:21:27 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 31 May 2002, Margo Anderson wrote: > You know, I jsut checked the estimated price on this painting. I did NOT > need to know that I could own an original Gheerharts for $2-3000. Before you rebudget, take note that it's not an original Gheerhaerts. It's "circle of" or "manner of" Gheerharts. One of the images shows the signature: 'Marcus Optima re../filius/ Fra Lovell'. I have no clue who he is. I bet someone does somewhere, but the appraisers don't seem to have come to a date, and you'd think that if there was information on Marcus Optima (or his father) there would at least be a ballpark lifetime. Also read the restoration details. Still, a good price for a decently sized work. It would be better to get a real-life look at it, though, and possibly an independent appraisal. But you have only five days to do it before the bidding ends. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jun 1 00:19:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04691 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:19:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g514C1C05398; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g514C1x19959; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g514Bhx19873 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:11:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020601041138.URQD11183.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 04:11:38 +0000 Message-ID: <094001c20922$6db483c0$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait at auction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:10:17 -0500 Status: RO I agree with Robin, I took one look at the portrait and knew there was something not right about it. The details are in the page about the number of restorations and worst of all they could not see the under painting. That is pretty good indication that something is not right. BUT definitely great sleeves, that is the only thing they seem to say is of the original painting, it is the thinnest part and has no touch ups. Sincerely, Franchesca Vecchio Havas McKinney, Texas `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°` ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait at auction > On Fri, 31 May 2002, Margo Anderson wrote: > > > You know, I jsut checked the estimated price on this painting. I did NOT > > need to know that I could own an original Gheerharts for $2-3000. > > Before you rebudget, take note that it's not an original Gheerhaerts. It's > "circle of" or "manner of" Gheerharts. One of the images shows the > signature: 'Marcus Optima re../filius/ Fra Lovell'. I have no clue who he > is. I bet someone does somewhere, but the appraisers don't seem to have > come to a date, and you'd think that if there was information on Marcus > Optima (or his father) there would at least be a ballpark lifetime. > > Also read the restoration details. > > Still, a good price for a decently sized work. It would be better to get a > real-life look at it, though, and possibly an independent appraisal. But > you have only five days to do it before the bidding ends. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jun 1 00:20:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04701 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:20:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g514D2C05456; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g514D1x20229; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g514C7x19990 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:12:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.131.e930ea5 (3842) for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:11:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <131.e930ea5.2a29a38a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_131.e930ea5.2a29a38a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:11:54 EDT Status: RO --part1_131.e930ea5.2a29a38a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/31/02 9:48:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kayta@frys.com writes: > My grandmother who was born in 1880 said it was no white shoes till after > Easter, and stop wearing them about Labor Day. She didn't say why, or how > long it had been the custom. I suspect the custom is at least as old as > she is, but can't prove it. My grandmother adhered to the rule, but didn't > > insist that anyone else did (my mother didn't), and she never left the > house without hat and gloves either. > > My grandmother also had this rule ... along with a lady never goes out without gloves. My grandmother was also born in 1880 and she was from Oklahoma. So it cannot just be a southern or eastern custom Osmondia --part1_131.e930ea5.2a29a38a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/31/02 9:48:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kayta@frys.com writes:


My grandmother who was born in 1880 said it was no white shoes till after
Easter, and stop wearing them about Labor Day.  She didn't say why, or how
long it had been the custom.  I suspect the custom is at least as old as
she is, but can't prove it.  My grandmother adhered to the rule, but didn't
insist that anyone else did (my mother didn't), and she never left the
house without hat and gloves either.



My grandmother also had this rule ... along with a lady never goes out without gloves. My grandmother was also born in 1880 and she was from Oklahoma.  So it cannot just be a southern or eastern custom

Osmondia --part1_131.e930ea5.2a29a38a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jun 1 00:21:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04715 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:21:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g514E1C05505; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g514E1x20462; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g514Djx20379 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:13:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06618 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 23:36:04 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] buttoning direction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:36:04 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 31 May 2002, STRAIGHT wrote: > For a woman, who would be most apt to be holding a baby in her > left arm, it would be the most convenient to reach across and unfasten > something with her right hand and pull it open, whether it be pinned, > hooked, or buttoned, especially when it comes to nursing a baby. ... > For a man, it goes back to leaving the sword or weapon or > working arm free, usually the right arm, so it would be more logical > to be able to reach across with the left hand and unfasten a jacket or > whatever. Formally, the woman still tradionally stands at the man's > left, so his sword arm is free to defend her (or hold the > horse)----and it goes back that far, w-a-y back. All logical-sounding theories, reprinted in plenty of trivia books, but I'd hold with the person who noted that such explanations are retrospective hypotheses with little grounding in fact: They sound as though they should make sense, but there's no evidence in life that that's how people behave. And the fact that there are so many different, equally logical-sounding explanations makes them all suspicious. It's like the one about maids dressing women and men dressing themselves, and thus needing different directions of buttoning. But in the periods in which this supposedly occurred, both men and women of the upper class had servants who dressed them. And someone else has already pointed out the problems with the Puritan church seating theory. The thing is, you can get used to either direction of buttoning, from inside or outside, just from habit. I wear men's shirts at least half the time. I switch back and forth randomly, with equal adeptness. I nursed both my kids, and if there were an advantage to unbuttoning in a particular direction when one-handed, believe me, I'd have noticed it. Periodically some researcher takes a look at extant garments and comes up with the finding that centuries of examples show no standardized direction by gender. The standardization is fairly recent. (I think it's just a plot of the dry cleaners, who charge more to clean a woman's plain shirt than a man's -- and the only way they can tell the difference is the button direction.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jun 1 00:29:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04731 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:29:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g514M0C05864; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g514M0x22519; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g514Lbx22428 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06678 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 23:43:56 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Photos In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020531211825.00a0b230@sound.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:43:56 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 31 May 2002, Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: > At 09:45 AM 5/31/02 -0700, you wrote: > >We're working on getting BayCon to call that class something which doesn't > >imply doing costuming for a living, as calling it 'Pro' lets non-pro > >several-time winners get away with entering the 'Novice' class, their only > >other option.) > > Aren't the classes usually "Novice", "Journeyman" and "Master" for > costume competitions? I've heard that one only in the SCA. I haven't seen many non-SCA costume competitions, so perhaps it's used elsewhere; I wouldn't know. However, I've judged non-costume artwork at a variety of conventions (unrelated to reenactment) where the distinction is "amateur" vs. "professional." I can remember repeated problems with people who swept the amateur categories every year and insisted that they belonged there because they didn't make their living doing artwork, or didn't do art full-time (even if they made a sizable chunk of money from it). Enough cases of that, and the event planners will write a rule that says the judges can recategorize any entrant at will. Which has its own problems: "That artist's work is too good for an amateur -- put it in pro." A better move is to decree that anyone who has won X number of awards as "amateur" must enter as "pro" the following year, or that once you've won a category as amateur you move up for that category, or something. But, hey, that requires year-to-year record-keeping. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jun 1 00:54:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04800 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:54:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g514l2C06748; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g514l0x28295; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:47:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g514kTx28181 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:46:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A2173E67024E; Fri, 31 May 2002 23:48:23 -0500 Message-ID: <008c01c20927$77a3e740$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <2.2.32.20020531222718.006fc668@mail.verizon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:47:42 -0400 Status: RO I'm with you Ron... Virginians are very traditional. We suck up every bit of history we can and hang on to it. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jun 1 01:03:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04827 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 01:03:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g514u1C07034; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g514u1x00517; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f272.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.150]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g514tOx00372 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:55:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:55:18 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 04:55:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait at auction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2002 04:55:18.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[86FFAD40:01C20928] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:55:18 -0700 Status: RO Oh god, Margo, we really ARE the same person! I had the exact thought! MaggiRos >From: Margo Anderson >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait at auction >Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:32:35 -0700 > >You know, I jsut checked the estimated price on this painting. I did NOT >need to know that I could own an original Gheerharts for $2-3000. Ten >times that would be impossible, but $2-3000 has me thinking..."if I just >start making costumes for money again---and pack lunches, and drive the old >clunker car for another year....." > >Oh, dear, I'm in trouble now. > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jun 1 02:12:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26938 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 02:12:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g51652C09357; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g51651x14543; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5164Ux14442 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:04:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id XAA20740 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 31 May 2002 23:23:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200206010623.XAA20740@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Photos Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > On Fri, 31 May 2002, Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: > > Aren't the classes usually "Novice", "Journeyman" and "Master" for > > costume competitions? > > I've heard that one only in the SCA. I haven't seen many non-SCA costume > competitions, so perhaps it's used elsewhere; I wouldn't know. No, the normal classes at the major sci-fi cons are indeed Novice, Journeyman, and Master. There's a set number of wins that move you up from each class. Problem is, BayCon is no longer considered one of the "major" cons, partially because they've loosened the rules both for participation and for the classes. When it was still a major competition, I won a technical award for the mars enviornment suit that my husband and I built. I was the only person backstage who _didn't_ complain about how hot it was, because I'd built a liquid-cooled garment into the suit. That was the only "real" competition I've entered. Last year, I won best in class for Novice with my hall costume. The Lady Luck costume was a good example of what you can do when your sewing machine is broken. All the applique was done with double-faced iron-on interfacing, edged with fabric paint and glitter. All the rhinestones were glued on. The only really impressive parts of the costume (in my opinion) were the headpiece (I made a wirework crown and covered it with cut crystal beads by hand, then did a four-layer veil) and the sceptor (I built it using an antique glass doorknob as the topper and painted the shaft with the four card suits). It was a _great_ hall costume. It probably wouldn't have even placed as a masquerade costume at one of the major competitions. I _am_ tempted to take the Jedi Librarian idea and run with it... Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume