From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 03:26:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA02377 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:26:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g717EUE19160; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:14:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g717CHn22662; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:12:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g717BMn22492 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:11:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([80.6.56.204]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020801071119.DHHH13709.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:11:19 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3D48ED2A.27008.23115C@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: [h-cost] How to browse archives? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:11:22 +0100 Status: RO Well, I'm back from Germany, Austria, and other interesting places, have turned mail from this list back on, and now want to browse throught he archives for the last two weeks to see what I've missed. Only I can't figure out how. I can see a search engine, but without knowing what topics to search for, it isn't going to help me. No Browse facility, as far as I can see. There's the opportunity to download a complete year's worth of info, which would do, but 2002 isn't one of the years on offer. Help? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 03:32:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11088 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:32:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g717LNE19525; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:21:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g717LMn24145; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:21:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g717Cvn22834 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:13:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020801071232.85831.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:12:32 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:12:32 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Agnes G wrote: > Have you looked at the La Mode Bagatelle Aesthetic Reform Tea Gown Pattern? > I know some people have used it as a wedding dress. It's based roughly on > garments in the V&A and other museums. I have the pattern (and no, sadly, the dress isn't even a twinkle in my eye yet) and have read through all the pattern info, looked at closely etc. It is a beautiful gown! One day I'll make it, I can jst see it as a stunning wedding gown indeed. Highly recommendable pattern from what I ahve seen and also from what I have read on the GBCGA Graet Pattern review. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 06:20:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29322 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:20:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g719q6E25637; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:52:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g719q2n28390; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g719pvn28370 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KKS4GQ32ZK0027NX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:51:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KKS4GN2CPA001RGO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:51:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:47:23 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:46:56 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.74) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:46:50 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant In-reply-to: <200207311801.g6VI1gn23116@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <34271701AA7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:46:50 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Thanks Teddy for taking the time to look at them and write a > recommendation :-) You're welcome. > Absolutely, they don't BS you, and their glassware is really > superb, the best I know of and I know pretty much all of the > glassware traders here in the UK. The only glasswear we have at events is the two goblets that survived in the post when Karen sent them from Chicago to London. They're beautiful, hold a lot and we figure that surviving the tender treatment of the postal services on the journey form the US to England means they can cope with being transported to and from events in our bottle-carrier. Any other glass items we've tried using have ended up severely broken. > > The 1640 doublet came out a bit small - but I skipped making a > > fitting mock-up so that could be my problem rather than the pattern. > > I shall not attempt ever to not make a mock-up, ben is so muscular in > the shoulders and arms that nothing ever fits anyway. I was in a real hurry (as I was when I made 1620 - 25 one, but that came out fine without a mock-up. I guess I just must be the right size for that one unaltered) > I skipped the cassock because I'll use norah Waugh's one, I think they're pretty much the same (as is the 1620 to 25 one, I think) > If I make something of it I'll remember to send the info and pic to > the Great pattern review. > Hmm.. jus a thought, should I send the info of the Noragh waugh > coat too? I don't see why not Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 08:40:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29725 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:40:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71CS6E06260; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71CS4n15751; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g71CQpn15462 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:26:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020801122650.51705.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:26:50 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <34271701AA7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:26:50 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > The only glasswear we have at events is the two goblets that > survived in the post when Karen sent them from Chicago to > London. > Any other glass items we've tried using have ended up severely > broken. we always take lots and lots of glasware with us. what I do is most of them have their own individual boxes I purchased them in, and inside they are wrapped in tissue paper. Those which don't have boxes are thickly wrapped inside and out. All of the boxed ones and the unboxed ones live and are transported in sturdy plastic folding boxes. so far, knock on wood, no problems for yars. (famous last words...) > I was in a real hurry (as I was when I made 1620 - 25 one, but that > came out fine without a mock-up. I guess I just must be the right > size for that one unaltered) as if you'd ever not be in a hurry dear! *L* Next small thing to make is an embroidered night cap for ben. i got embroidered linen fabric (an actual embroidery from ebay, silk on linen) and will cut it up and make the cap and then adorn the seams with a very lovely narrow gold lace, from ebay too. :-) I just finished sewing on the doubled gold brush fringe onto ben's kid leather gloves. after all, an officer should have those. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 09:50:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30162 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:50:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71DdOE10057; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:39:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71DdMn07561; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:39:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71Da1n06375 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23213 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:37:07 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to browse archives? In-Reply-To: <3D48ED2A.27008.23115C@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:37:07 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Jane Williams wrote: > Well, I'm back from Germany, Austria, and other interesting places, > have turned mail from this list back on, and now want to browse > throught he archives for the last two weeks to see what I've missed. > Only I can't figure out how. I can see a search engine, but without > knowing what topics to search for, it isn't going to help me. No > Browse facility, as far as I can see. There's the opportunity to > download a complete year's worth of info, which would do, but 2002 > isn't one of the years on offer. Help? The database isn't set up to browse. (Another item for the wish list if someone capable wants to make "better archives" a project.) However, you can do a reasonable job of it with a little ingenuity. Eric has the posts set up by month. If you search for a specific post, you'll see, in your search results, that each post has a link under the subject name, a link for the author name, and an "archive" to click on that says something like "hcos01/hcos02.cl". Click that last, and you'll get a whole month's worth. (And it can take some time to download!) I post frequently and save a lot of my posts, so I can pick a subject line from the desired month, search on that, and call up the right month's worth of archive. (2002 is indeed on the pull-down menu of options -- it's near the top.) Or just call up any month, from any search, and adjust the URL for the year and month you want. July 2002 will be here: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos02/hcos07.cl But it's not there yet! The annoyance of this system is that you have to wait till a month is completed before you can browse it, or before you can read any of the posts from that month. You are lucky, in that the July posts should be up any minute now. (I don't know if Eric does these automatically or manually.) But if it's mid-month, and you want to see last week's posts, you'll have to wait. We really really need a standard searchable, browseable, dated, unedited archive. Surely with all the computer expertise on this list, there's someone who has the space, and someone who has the ability? The files do exist -- I've heard from several people who have copies of them. It's getting them online in a suitable form that's the problem. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 10:23:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30406 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:23:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71ECAE13171; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:12:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71EC8n20921; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:12:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71E65n18261 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:06:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A0851E25A2; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:06:01 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to browse archives? From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020801140601.4A0851E25A2@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:06:01 BST Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote : > Eric has the posts set up by month. If you search for a specific post, > you'll see, in your search results, that each post has a link under the > subject name, a link for the author name, and an "archive" to click on > that says something like "hcos01/hcos02.cl". Click that last, and you'll > get a whole month's worth. (And it can take some time to download!) About 3 seconds on this machine, fortunately. (Yes, I was serious about being happy to download the complete year). > (2002 is indeed on the pull-down menu of options -- it's near the top.) For searching, yes: I was looking for it in the "complete year" list. > July 2002 will be here: > http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos02/hcos07.cl Exactly what I needed: thanks. It's not there yet, as you say, but I'm sure I can last a few days. Now you explain the system, it all makes perfect sense. > But if it's mid-month, and you want to see > last week's posts, you'll have to wait. Next time I go on holiday, I think I'll leave this list sending me messages :( _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 10:54:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30590 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:54:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71EgCE15881; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71EgAn05244; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:42:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host11.avidhosting.com (host11.avidhosting.com [209.239.33.204]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71EbAn02851 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marnadav (slip27.access-one.com [198.247.160.27]) by host11.avidhosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g71Eb4G00611 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c23968$9d833940$1ba0f7c6@marnadav> From: "Marna Jean" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Reform dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Marna Jean" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:34:57 -0500 Status: RO I either missed your post the first time or it was before I joined the list. Its in my period of study but not my focus, but I might be able to provide a lead or two- are you looking for a pattern, dress to study, diagram or what? And how "reform" do you want it. Though I imagine a teagown will be as close in style to a wedding gown as you will find. Have you seen the one on www.antiquedress.com - it looks like it could have been made right of a 1893 Butterick teagown pattern. Marna Jean Doug and Marna Jean Davis Shooting Star Enterprises Living History & Custom Historical Clothing http://www.shootingstarhistory.com/home.html oakley@access-one.com Alternate email- oakley@shootingstarhistory.com Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com - Victorian and Old West Era Online Classes in History and Period Sewing -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-request@indra.com To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1132 - 15 msgs >Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-admin@mail.indra.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1128 - 12 msgs (kat@grendal.rain.com) > 2. Re: Re: shirt ties/aiglets; length of fingerloop braids (kat@grendal.rain.com) > 3. Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period (Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) > 4. Re: RE: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? (vze2brpf@verizon.net) > 5. Re: Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period (Robin Netherton) > 6. RE: Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period (Martha Kelly) > 7. Reform or Aesthetic Dress (Agnes G) > 8. RE: Manessische Liederhandschrift, was Re: [h-cost] Medieval cross-dressing? (Wanda Pease) > 9. Re: RE: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? (Margo Anderson) > 10. How to browse archives? (Jane Williams) > 11. Re: Reform or Aesthetic Dress (=?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?=) > 12. Re: English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant (Teddy) > 13. Re: English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant (=?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?=) > 14. Re: How to browse archives? (Robin Netherton) > 15. Re: How to browse archives? (jane@williams.nildram.co.uk) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: kat@grendal.rain.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:31:36 -0700 >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1128 - 12 msgs >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >> >There is also the issue of muscle strength and >> >concentration on spreading the bows, especially at the >> >beginning of the braid. If you are maxing out the >> >length of the loops for one person to manipulate alone >> >(probably approaching 2 feet), you need to tirelessly >> >extend your arms out in a "fly" movement (term from >> >the gym). It's not only important to move the loops >> >correctly from finger to finger for each step, but to >> >properly pull on them with steady tension and >> >spreading. If you don't have someone to beat it down, >> >you're entirely reliant on the spreading of the loops >> >after each movement. This can build some serious >> >muscle! >> >I find that if I pay careful attention to tension and >> >spreading the bows/loops, I get a rather >> >even-tensioned, consistent braid. My posterior >> >deltoids protest a bit, though. >> > >> >Tasha >> > >> Hey! Costuming as exercise, I like it! However, I think I would have >> to find a way of jumping up and down at the same time, or my posterior >> something else will spread to make up for it :-) >> >> Jean > >I still remember watching Colleen/Cainder (as her beater) when she >was doing a really long couple of pieces of fingerloop braid. >However, it wasn't her deltoids she complained about after. Rather >it was her leg muscles from the lunges when she would do the >bow. We figured out that the rhythm which seemed to work best >was to a Strauss waltz! > > >Kat Russell > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: kat@grendal.rain.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:31:36 -0700 >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: shirt ties/aiglets; length of fingerloop braids >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >> >Hmmmm. Well, I can testify -- as a sometime other half of Heather's >> >fingerloop-with-beating team -- that as far as I can tell, you get >> >very little variation in tension if you have one person braiding >> >while the person at the other end beats it down tight. I think we've >> >produced a couple of six-foot-or-so braids, which means we started >> >out with about eight feet of thread between us. (Better think of >> >something interesting to talk about, though, 'cause it takes awhile.) >> > >> This is, of course, the other problem - once you've started, you can't >> put it down. Has anyone found a way of leaving it, hanging it up or >> pegging it on something? >> >> Jean > > >When I was first practicing on fingerloop braiding (before I got faster >at it), I was in the car as a passenger on the way home from >Estrella War (a 2 day drive for us, even driving through the first >night). If we had a stop (which was required and couldn't be >coordinated with my loops being finished), I carefully pinned them >to a pillow, then made sure that I picked up the loops the same >way I put them down. It seemed to work very well. Then later, when >I started doing really long loops using fine silk thread and couldn't >wait a minute longer, I did the same. It seemed to work fairly well. >Of course, I couldn't leave them for very long (like overnight) but >then, I have 3 very curious string loving cats. ;) > > >Kat Russell > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:30:52 -0700 >To: h-costume@indra.com >From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net >Subject: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >Um, I posted a question with this same subject header about two weeks ago >and, well, I never got any replies. Not even one that said "nope, sorry, >doesn't ring any bells". I'm wondering if it never got posted. If that's >what happened, or if it got missed somehow, I'll repost it, but I don't >want to do that if it was seen but basically ignored. > >So what do I do now? > >By the way, has anyone had any progress with getting the Revolution In >Fashion book from the Kyoto Costume Institute? > >Julie > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >From: >To: h-costume@indra.com, >Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? >Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:31:06 -0500 >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >> >> I believe your aunt's story. I know Bernina still makes treadle machines >> for sale in "developing" nations. Of course, they are purely mechanical, >> not computerized machines. > > Singer does still make treadle sewing machines. They are offered in the Lohemann's catalog for non-electric living. They are rather expensive. My 1916 White was a quarter of the price and has a much nicer cabinet. Singer probably is the best way to go however if you intend to use an antique. Parts are far easier to come by. (Luckily the Singer belts fit the white!). > >Cheers, >Ron > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:47:33 -0500 (CDT) >From: Robin Netherton >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: > >> Um, I posted a question with this same subject header about two weeks >> ago and, well, I never got any replies. Not even one that said "nope, >> sorry, doesn't ring any bells". I'm wondering if it never got posted. >> If that's what happened, or if it got missed somehow, I'll repost it, >> but I don't want to do that if it was seen but basically ignored. > >I saw it, but didn't answer because I had no answer. I wouldn't take the >lack of response personally. I don't generally post a "Sorry, I don't >know" message to questions that are outside my area, or I'd be filling >people's mailboxes every day with "Sorry, I don't know." I think people >would get heartily annoyed with me ;-) If people don't answer, you can bet >that the ones reading at the time just didn't know. And when that happens, >I don't think anyone minds if you try again some time later, when maybe >you get a different mix of readers. > >I don't know what your specific question was, but I do know that all I >know about this fashion movement is what's in Stella Mary Newton's book. >Perhaps there will be leads for you in there, but I figure anyone >interested in the Aesthetic movement probably has the obvious sources >already! > >(The period is recent enough that you might find some microfilmed or >archived fashion magazines in a good library. Or at a place like FIT if >you're in NYC.) > >--Robin > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >From: "Martha Kelly" >To: >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:21:34 -0300 >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > >By the way, has anyone had any progress with getting the Revolution In >Fashion book from the Kyoto Costume Institute? > >Julie > > > >Dear Julie > >I ordered the Revolution in Fashion from Kyoto through their web site and >it's now sitting happily on my shelf. I was especially pleased to see that >it's all in English, since my other two Kyoto books are mostly Japanese. It >came to me via an expediter in California who billed me and accepted my >check. What a lovely book! > >Martha > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:37:47 -0700 >From: Agnes G >To: >Subject: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >Have you looked at the La Mode Bagatelle Aesthetic Reform Tea Gown Pattern? >I know some people have used it as a wedding dress. It's based roughly on >garments in the V&A and other museums. > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 8 >From: "Wanda Pease" >To: >Subject: RE: Manessische Liederhandschrift, was Re: [h-cost] Medieval cross-dressing? >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:06:11 -0700 >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >The new one seems to have all the plates, 137 or so. Info: Codes Manesse: >Die Miniaturen der Grossen Heidelberger Liederhandschrift > >Herausgegeben und erlaeutert von Ingo F. Walther unter Mitarbeit von Gisela >Siebert Insel > >Sechste Auflage 2001 copyright Insel Verlag Frankfurt am Main 1988, Alle >Rechte vorbehalten, Druck: Aprinta, Wemding Printed in Germany. I paid $30 >for it when I picked it up from Master Terafan Gredragon while visiting him >in Stuttgart. > >Try this link > >http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/ref=sr_sp_go_qs/302-545 3 >223-3768035 > >The book pictured is the one I have and it is hard bound, and full "book" >size. > >Regina Romsey > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On >Behalf Of leigh tartaglio >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:47 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: Manessische Liederhandschrift, was Re: [h-cost] Medieval >cross-dressing? > > >Hi. I only have the copy printed in 1953, which only has eighteen plates. If >the >new one has more illos, I am interested. Could you post the info, please? >Mike >T. > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 9 >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:03:53 -0700 >To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com, >From: Margo Anderson >Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >> >> Singer does still make treadle sewing machines. They are offered in the >Lohemann's catalog for non-electric living. They are rather expensive. > >If these are the ones that look just like an antique treadle machine, watch >out! I was selling Singers at the time, about ten years ago, that the >replica" treadle models were being introduced. My sales manager told me >that they were being made with the lowest quality parts and engineering, as >they were aimed at the "country decorating" crowd, with the expectation >that they would only occasionally be sewn on. > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" > > >See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 10 >From: "Jane Williams" >To: h-costume@indra.com >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:11:22 +0100 >Subject: [h-cost] How to browse archives? >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >Well, I'm back from Germany, Austria, and other >interesting places, have turned mail from this list >back on, and now want to browse throught he >archives for the last two weeks to see what I've >missed. Only I can't figure out how. I can see a >search engine, but without knowing what topics to >search for, it isn't going to help me. No Browse >facility, as far as I can see. There's the opportunity to >download a complete year's worth of info, which >would do, but 2002 isn't one of the years on offer. >Help? > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 11 >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:12:32 +0100 (BST) >From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress >To: h-costume@indra.com >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > --- Agnes G wrote: > Have you looked at the La Mode >Bagatelle Aesthetic Reform Tea Gown Pattern? >> I know some people have used it as a wedding dress. It's based roughly on >> garments in the V&A and other museums. > >I have the pattern (and no, sadly, the dress isn't even a twinkle in my eye >yet) and have read through all the pattern info, looked at closely etc. It is a >beautiful gown! One day I'll make it, I can jst see it as a stunning wedding >gown indeed. Highly recommendable pattern from what I ahve seen and also from >what I have read on the GBCGA Graet Pattern review. > >Nicole > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: marquis@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:46:50 +0000 (GMT) >From: Teddy >Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant >To: h-costume@indra.com >Organization: Middlesex University >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >> Thanks Teddy for taking the time to look at them and write a >> recommendation :-) > >You're welcome. > >> Absolutely, they don't BS you, and their glassware is really >> superb, the best I know of and I know pretty much all of the >> glassware traders here in the UK. > >The only glasswear we have at events is the two goblets that >survived in the post when Karen sent them from Chicago to >London. They're beautiful, hold a lot and we figure that surviving >the tender treatment of the postal services on the journey form the >US to England means they can cope with being transported to and >from events in our bottle-carrier. > >Any other glass items we've tried using have ended up severely >broken. > >> > The 1640 doublet came out a bit small - but I skipped making a >> > fitting mock-up so that could be my problem rather than the pattern. >> >> I shall not attempt ever to not make a mock-up, ben is so muscular in >> the shoulders and arms that nothing ever fits anyway. > >I was in a real hurry (as I was when I made 1620 - 25 one, but that >came out fine without a mock-up. I guess I just must be the right >size for that one unaltered) > >> I skipped the cassock because I'll use norah Waugh's one, > >I think they're pretty much the same (as is the 1620 to 25 one, I >think) > >> If I make something of it I'll remember to send the info and pic to >> the Great pattern review. > >> Hmm.. jus a thought, should I send the info of the Noragh waugh >> coat too? > >I don't see why not > > >Teddy > >--__--__-- > >Message: 13 >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:26:50 +0100 (BST) >From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= >Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant >To: h-costume@indra.com >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > --- Teddy wrote: > > >> The only glasswear we have at events is the two goblets that >> survived in the post when Karen sent them from Chicago to >> London. > >> Any other glass items we've tried using have ended up severely >> broken. > >we always take lots and lots of glasware with us. what I do is most of them >have their own individual boxes I purchased them in, and inside they are >wrapped in tissue paper. Those which don't have boxes are thickly wrapped >inside and out. All of the boxed ones and the unboxed ones live and are >transported in sturdy plastic folding boxes. so far, knock on wood, no problems >for yars. (famous last words...) > >> I was in a real hurry (as I was when I made 1620 - 25 one, but that >> came out fine without a mock-up. I guess I just must be the right >> size for that one unaltered) > >as if you'd ever not be in a hurry dear! *L* > >Next small thing to make is an embroidered night cap for ben. i got embroidered >linen fabric (an actual embroidery from ebay, silk on linen) and will cut it up >and make the cap and then adorn the seams with a very lovely narrow gold lace, >from ebay too. :-) >I just finished sewing on the doubled gold brush fringe onto ben's kid leather >gloves. after all, an officer should have those. > >Nicole > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: marquis@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 14 >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:37:07 -0500 (CDT) >From: Robin Netherton >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to browse archives? >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Jane Williams wrote: > >> Well, I'm back from Germany, Austria, and other interesting places, >> have turned mail from this list back on, and now want to browse >> throught he archives for the last two weeks to see what I've missed. >> Only I can't figure out how. I can see a search engine, but without >> knowing what topics to search for, it isn't going to help me. No >> Browse facility, as far as I can see. There's the opportunity to >> download a complete year's worth of info, which would do, but 2002 >> isn't one of the years on offer. Help? > >The database isn't set up to browse. (Another item for the wish list if >someone capable wants to make "better archives" a project.) However, you >can do a reasonable job of it with a little ingenuity. > >Eric has the posts set up by month. If you search for a specific post, >you'll see, in your search results, that each post has a link under the >subject name, a link for the author name, and an "archive" to click on >that says something like "hcos01/hcos02.cl". Click that last, and you'll >get a whole month's worth. (And it can take some time to download!) > >I post frequently and save a lot of my posts, so I can pick a subject line >from the desired month, search on that, and call up the right month's >worth of archive. > >(2002 is indeed on the pull-down menu of options -- it's near the top.) > >Or just call up any month, from any search, and adjust the URL for the >year and month you want. July 2002 will be here: > >http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos02/hcos07.cl > >But it's not there yet! The annoyance of this system is that you have to >wait till a month is completed before you can browse it, or before you can >read any of the posts from that month. You are lucky, in that the July >posts should be up any minute now. (I don't know if Eric does these >automatically or manually.) But if it's mid-month, and you want to see >last week's posts, you'll have to wait. > >We really really need a standard searchable, browseable, dated, unedited >archive. Surely with all the computer expertise on this list, there's >someone who has the space, and someone who has the ability? The files do >exist -- I've heard from several people who have copies of them. It's >getting them online in a suitable form that's the problem. > >--Robin > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 15 >To: >Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to browse archives? >From: >Cc: >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:06:01 BST >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >Robin Netherton wrote : >> Eric has the posts set up by month. If you search for a specific post, >> you'll see, in your search results, that each post has a link under the >> subject name, a link for the author name, and an "archive" to click on >> that says something like "hcos01/hcos02.cl". Click that last, and you'll >> get a whole month's worth. (And it can take some time to download!) > >About 3 seconds on this machine, fortunately. (Yes, I was serious about being happy to download the complete year). > >> (2002 is indeed on the pull-down menu of options -- it's near the top.) > >For searching, yes: I was looking for it in the "complete year" list. > >> July 2002 will be here: >> http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos02/hcos07.cl > >Exactly what I needed: thanks. It's not there yet, as you say, but I'm sure I can last a few days. Now you explain the system, it all makes perfect sense. > >> But if it's mid-month, and you want to see >> last week's posts, you'll have to wait. > >Next time I go on holiday, I think I'll leave this list sending me messages :( > > > > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >End of h-costume Digest > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 11:01:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30639 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:01:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71EnOE16653; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:49:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71EnNn08860; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71Ejxn07321 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A9D83B0472; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:46:48 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:46:48 -0500 Status: RO might this be some help? http://costume.osu.edu/Reforming_Fashion/image_exhibition/tea2.htm or for more info http://www.fashion-era.com/aesthetics.htm -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Agnes G Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:38 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress Have you looked at the La Mode Bagatelle Aesthetic Reform Tea Gown Pattern? I know some people have used it as a wedding dress. It's based roughly on garments in the V&A and other museums. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 12:35:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31370 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:35:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71GMDE27058; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71GMBe02945; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71GHKe00137 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:17:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.43.99]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020801161713.RIHL11089.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:17:13 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801090408.00a39dc0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re:[h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period In-Reply-To: <200208011414.g71EEbn22026@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:13:46 -0700 Status: RO Thanks. Well, I guess from the lack of response that no one has ever seen this picture. I know it's an extremely specific request, and it was a highly remote chance that anyone =had= ever seen it, but I thought I'd try. And yes, I've seen the La Mode Bagatelle pattern - it's gorgeous, but not what I'm looking for. It's this specific dress that I described in my first post that I'm searching for (the picture, that is). I fell inlove with it over 20 years ago, but like an idiot didn't buy the book (starving student, y'know). I didn't even make a note of the name of the book or author, for which stupidity I have no excuse. My sewing skills are so much better now than they were then that I'd like to attempt to recreate this dress, but I don't want to rely on just my memory. Robin - I'm not familiar with the book you recommended. Could you give me the title? Do you know where I'd find it? Thanks again, Julie >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:47:33 -0500 (CDT) >From: Robin Netherton >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > Um, I posted a question with this same subject header about two weeks > > ago and, well, I never got any replies. Not even one that said "nope, > > sorry, doesn't ring any bells". I'm wondering if it never got posted. > > If that's what happened, or if it got missed somehow, I'll repost it, > > but I don't want to do that if it was seen but basically ignored. > >I saw it, but didn't answer because I had no answer. I wouldn't take the >lack of response personally. I don't generally post a "Sorry, I don't >know" message to questions that are outside my area, or I'd be filling >people's mailboxes every day with "Sorry, I don't know." I think people >would get heartily annoyed with me ;-) If people don't answer, you can bet >that the ones reading at the time just didn't know. And when that happens, >I don't think anyone minds if you try again some time later, when maybe >you get a different mix of readers. > >I don't know what your specific question was, but I do know that all I >know about this fashion movement is what's in Stella Mary Newton's book. >Perhaps there will be leads for you in there, but I figure anyone >interested in the Aesthetic movement probably has the obvious sources >already! > >(The period is recent enough that you might find some microfilmed or >archived fashion magazines in a good library. Or at a place like FIT if >you're in NYC.) > >--Robin > > >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:37:47 -0700 >From: Agnes G >To: >Subject: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >Have you looked at the La Mode Bagatelle Aesthetic Reform Tea Gown Pattern? >I know some people have used it as a wedding dress. It's based roughly on >garments in the V&A and other museums. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 12:35:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31374 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:35:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71GMgE27128; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71GMbe03228; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:22:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71GHRe00242 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.43.99]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020801161721.RIJV11089.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:17:21 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801091352.00a3dec0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200208011414.g71EEbn22026@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Revolution In Fashion from Kyoto Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:16:22 -0700 Status: RO Yay!! Oh, that's great news! It seemed at first that no one was getting any response from the Kyoto museum and I felt really bad like I'd given bad information or something, but it looks like things are moving now! Julie >Message: 6 >From: "Martha Kelly" >To: >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:21:34 -0300 >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > >By the way, has anyone had any progress with getting the Revolution In >Fashion book from the Kyoto Costume Institute? > >Julie > > > >Dear Julie > >I ordered the Revolution in Fashion from Kyoto through their web site and >it's now sitting happily on my shelf. I was especially pleased to see that >it's all in English, since my other two Kyoto books are mostly Japanese. It >came to me via an expediter in California who billed me and accepted my >check. What a lovely book! > >Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 14:52:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32136 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:52:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71IehE12381; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:40:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71Iege25300; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:40:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71IaMe22821 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25065 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:37:29 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801090408.00a39dc0@postoffice.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:37:29 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Robin - I'm not familiar with the book you recommended. Could you give > me the title? Do you know where I'd find it? I believe it is called "Dress Reformers," by Stella Mary Newton. You might also look for "Dress Revivals" by Baines (I forget the first name), which describes the Victorian "historical" costumes, but I don't know whether it focuses on aesthetic/progressive style on its own. For both, try a good university library, and then interlibrary loan. Who knows -- maybe one of these is the book you wanted! I had forgotten the specific question in your original post, and your repost didn't mention that you were chasing down a specific picture (as opposed to just wanting information on aesthetic-style wedding dresses). I gather now that you saw an image somewhere and can't find it now. Boy, I know that feeling. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 16:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32555 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:17:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71IYIE11727; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:34:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71IY4e21490; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (smtp.netins.net [167.142.225.202]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71IU5e19245 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:30:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [167.142.12.181] (HELO hppav) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 120912118 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:30:04 -0500 Message-ID: <022f01c23988$de6e47e0$b50c8ea7@hppav> From: "Land of Oz" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801090408.00a39dc0@postoffice.att.net> Subject: Re: Re:[h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:25:52 -0500 Status: RO > I didn't even make a note of the name of the book or author, for > which stupidity I have no excuse. My sewing skills are so much better now > than they were then that I'd like to attempt to recreate this dress, but I > don't want to rely on just my memory. If you rely on your memory the dress will be exactly as you remember it. Denise landofoz@netins.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 17:01:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00315 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:01:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71KoGE25339; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71KoDG12192; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71KkZG10089 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:46:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.43.99]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020801204628.ZDDA8052.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:46:28 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801133723.00a38cd0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200208011624.g71GOke04556@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Alternative style or Progressive/Aesthetic period Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:41:22 -0700 Status: RO OK, let me repost the critical part of my original post: I'm looking for a photo of a wedding dress I saw in a costume book over 20 years ago. The dress (not the book) was from around 1880 or 1890, and was an example of an alternate style of design - one of the revisionist schools of design that kept appearing during the 19th century. I =think= it was called Progressive, but I'm not sure. It's been suggested that it might be Revisionist or Aesthetic style. The dress was very simple, loose and flowing from a rather boat-shaped gathered neckline, with bell-like sleeves. There was a definite Grecian suggestion in the overall design. There was a band of several rows of beadwork that circled the neckline, then at the back of the neck the beadwork turned and went down either side of the back closure, and at the waist turned towards the front and wrapped around somewhat like a medieval girdle (only much wider), to pull the dress in at the waist and provide some accent and contrast. There were matching rows of beadwork at the ends of the sleeves as well. Also maybe at the hem, but I'm not sure I remember seeing it in a book in the bookstore of the DeYoung Museum in San Francisco over 20 years ago. I did not buy the book and I've regretted it ever since. And no, I have absolutely no recollection of what that book was. If anyone recognizes this description and could help me track down a photo of this dress, or the book its in, or another source for the dress altogether, I'd be very grateful. ------------------------------------------------------ So you see I'm looking for a very specific dress/picture, not a general style. Thanks, Julie >Message: 1 >From: "Marna Jean" >To: >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:34:57 -0500 >Subject: [h-cost] Re: Reform dress >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >I either missed your post the first time or it was before I joined the list. >Its in my period of study but not my focus, but I might be able to provide a >lead or two- are you looking for a pattern, dress to study, diagram or what? >And how "reform" do you want it. Though I imagine a teagown will be as close >in style to a wedding gown as you will find. Have you seen the one on >www.antiquedress.com - it looks like it could have been made right of a 1893 >Butterick teagown pattern. >Marna Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 17:04:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00328 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:04:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71Kr7E25664; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:53:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71Kr6G13942; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71KkgG10156 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.43.99]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020801204636.ZDFB8052.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:46:36 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801134300.00a388c0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200208011624.g71GOke04556@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1133 - 4 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:46:09 -0700 Status: RO Betsy - Thank you, but yes, I've been to both those sites and wasn't able to find the dress I'm looking for. In addition, I emailed the curator of the exhibit at Ohio State University nearly a year ago asking my question, but I never received a reply. Thanks, Julie >Message: 2 >From: "Betsy Marshall" >To: >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:46:48 -0500 >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >might this be some help? > >http://costume.osu.edu/Reforming_Fashion/image_exhibition/tea2.htm > >or for more info > >http://www.fashion-era.com/aesthetics.htm > >-----Original Message----- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 17:16:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00451 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:15:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71L4VE26656; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:04:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71L4TG20887; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71L2IG19480 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:02:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-83.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.83]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g71L2Ha104634 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:02:17 -0400 Message-ID: <014201c2399e$bb16e110$532daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801134300.00a388c0@postoffice.att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dress seen in DeYoung Cat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:02:21 -0700 Status: RO The De Young museum has a searchable index for almost 85 thousand images. Have you tried that? If it was at the De Young originally, it may still be in their collection. The url is below. http://www.thinker.org/fam/index_thinker.asp angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "O! Swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon, That monthly changes in her circled orb, Lest that thy love prove likewise variable." Romeo & Juliet, II, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1133 - 4 msgs > Betsy - > > Thank you, but yes, I've been to both those sites and wasn't able to find > the dress I'm looking for. In addition, I emailed the curator of the > exhibit at Ohio State University nearly a year ago asking my question, but > I never received a reply. > > Thanks, > Julie > > > >Message: 2 > >From: "Betsy Marshall" > >To: > >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress > >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:46:48 -0500 > >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > >might this be some help? > > > >http://costume.osu.edu/Reforming_Fashion/image_exhibition/tea2.htm > > > >or for more info > > > >http://www.fashion-era.com/aesthetics.htm > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 17:23:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00487 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:23:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71LCPE27292; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:12:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71LCNG25698; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:12:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71L7jG23016 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-relay02.mac.com (smtp-relay02-en1 [10.13.10.225]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g71L7agS012533 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g71KvhZH024634 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.95.177.85] ([128.95.177.85]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H06NK600.KG9 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:57:42 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period From: Agnes G To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801090408.00a39dc0@postoffice.att.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:58:20 -0700 Status: RO I don't recall reading your original post. I just tried to look for it in the archive but it doesn't show up yet - perhaps you could re-post the dress description you saw. I think perhaps we didn't all get your original message. > From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:13:46 -0700 > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re:[h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period > > Thanks. Well, I guess from the lack of response that no one has ever seen > this picture. I know it's an extremely specific request, and it was a > highly remote chance that anyone =had= ever seen it, but I thought I'd try. > > And yes, I've seen the La Mode Bagatelle pattern - it's gorgeous, but not > what I'm looking for. It's this specific dress that I described in my first > post that I'm searching for (the picture, that is). I fell inlove with it > over 20 years ago, but like an idiot didn't buy the book (starving student, > y'know). I didn't even make a note of the name of the book or author, for > which stupidity I have no excuse. My sewing skills are so much better now > than they were then that I'd like to attempt to recreate this dress, but I > don't want to rely on just my memory. > > Robin - I'm not familiar with the book you recommended. Could you give me > the title? Do you know where I'd find it? > > Thanks again, > Julie > >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:47:33 -0500 (CDT) >> From: Robin Netherton >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period >> Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> >> On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: >> >>> Um, I posted a question with this same subject header about two weeks >>> ago and, well, I never got any replies. Not even one that said "nope, >>> sorry, doesn't ring any bells". I'm wondering if it never got posted. >>> If that's what happened, or if it got missed somehow, I'll repost it, >>> but I don't want to do that if it was seen but basically ignored. >> >> I saw it, but didn't answer because I had no answer. I wouldn't take the >> lack of response personally. I don't generally post a "Sorry, I don't >> know" message to questions that are outside my area, or I'd be filling >> people's mailboxes every day with "Sorry, I don't know." I think people >> would get heartily annoyed with me ;-) If people don't answer, you can bet >> that the ones reading at the time just didn't know. And when that happens, >> I don't think anyone minds if you try again some time later, when maybe >> you get a different mix of readers. >> >> I don't know what your specific question was, but I do know that all I >> know about this fashion movement is what's in Stella Mary Newton's book. >> Perhaps there will be leads for you in there, but I figure anyone >> interested in the Aesthetic movement probably has the obvious sources >> already! >> >> (The period is recent enough that you might find some microfilmed or >> archived fashion magazines in a good library. Or at a place like FIT if >> you're in NYC.) >> >> --Robin >> >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:37:47 -0700 >> From: Agnes G >> To: >> Subject: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress >> Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> Have you looked at the La Mode Bagatelle Aesthetic Reform Tea Gown Pattern? >> I know some people have used it as a wedding dress. It's based roughly on >> garments in the V&A and other museums. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 17:29:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00511 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:29:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71LHBE27703; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71LH8G28339; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71LClG25890 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:12:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.53.1a558362 (3964) for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:12:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <53.1a558362.2a7afe48@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_53.1a558362.2a7afe48_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:12:40 EDT Status: RO --part1_53.1a558362.2a7afe48_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/29/02 7:27:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, saragrace@earthlink.net writes: > I've never heard of it, but there are folks out there that collect > sewing machines. I bet there is even a history on them lurking around. > I can't believe that you wouldn't be able to confirm it with Singer. > I have a Singer from the 20's that was able to be a treadle also. And yes I can believe that Singer would not be able to identify things because I have taken some of the, 4 boxes, of attachments into Singer trying to find out what they were or how they worked and was told they have no literature on them and no one there could identify them. One of the pieces I have does pintucks... I inherited this from my Grandmother, who was a seamstress. The one I have is supposed to be the top of the line when it was made. It has a beautiful inlaid table it is inset in. My mother wanted to sell it in the 60's to get a new one and was told by the Singer salesman that nothing they has was as well made as this one. It is great have used it to sew up to 6 layers of velvet and it will also sew leather. Osmondia --part1_53.1a558362.2a7afe48_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/29/02 7:27:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, saragrace@earthlink.net writes:


I've never heard of it, but there are folks out there that collect
sewing machines.  I bet there is even a history on them lurking around.
I can't believe that you wouldn't be able to confirm it with Singer.


I have a Singer from the 20's that was able to be a treadle also. 
And yes I can believe that Singer would not be able to identify things because I have taken some of the, 4 boxes, of attachments into Singer trying to find out what they were or how they worked and was told they have no literature on them and no one there could identify them.
One of the pieces I have does pintucks...
I inherited this from my Grandmother, who was a seamstress.  The one I have is supposed to be the top of the line when it was made.  It has a beautiful inlaid table it is inset in. 
My mother wanted to sell it in the 60's to get a new one and was told by the Singer salesman that nothing they has was as well made as this one.
It is great have used it to sew up to 6 layers of velvet and it will also sew leather.

Osmondia
--part1_53.1a558362.2a7afe48_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 17:38:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00543 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:38:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71LRKE28595; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71LRGG04461; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71LJPG29960 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:19:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-relay03.mac.com (smtp-relay03-en1 [10.13.10.222]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g71LJOK6006258 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay03.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g71LJOKN013673 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.95.177.85] ([128.95.177.85]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H06OKB00.GF7 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:19:23 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Alternative style or Progressive/Aesthetic period From: Agnes G To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801133723.00a38cd0@postoffice.att.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:20:02 -0700 Status: RO I will ask the La Mode Bagatelle folks if either of them remember seeing that image when they were researching the pattern - Susan Pasco has a pretty big costume book library and an amazing memory for details like this so she may have a clue. I will let you know if I get a response. In the mean time, to expedite your search, try to check out any library books you can get on the period - you might try books on Liberty's department store, too. They made a lot of the Reform gowns, and there are a few photo heavy books on the store. Can you remember if it was a book with mostly photos (like the Revolution in Fashion book) or if it was mostly text? That may help any of us who have a large book collection know which ones to look in. Between us all we may dig it up for you. Agnes > From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:41:22 -0700 > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Alternative style or > Progressive/Aesthetic period > > OK, let me repost the critical part of my original post: > > I'm looking for a photo of a wedding dress I saw in a costume book over 20 > years ago. The dress (not the book) was from around 1880 or 1890, and was > an example of an alternate style of design - one of the revisionist schools > of design that kept appearing during the 19th century. I =think= it was > called Progressive, but I'm not sure. It's been suggested that it might be > Revisionist or Aesthetic style. > > The dress was very simple, loose and flowing from a rather boat-shaped > gathered neckline, with bell-like sleeves. There was a definite Grecian > suggestion in the overall design. There was a band of several rows of > beadwork that circled the neckline, then at the back of the neck the > beadwork turned and went down either side of the back closure, and at the > waist turned towards the front and wrapped around somewhat like a medieval > girdle (only much wider), to pull the dress in at the waist and provide > some accent and contrast. There were matching rows of beadwork at the ends > of the sleeves as well. Also maybe at the hem, but I'm not sure > > I remember seeing it in a book in the bookstore of the DeYoung Museum in > San Francisco over 20 years ago. I did not buy the book and I've regretted > it ever since. And no, I have absolutely no recollection of what that book > was. If anyone recognizes this description and could help me track down a > photo of this dress, or the book its in, or another source for the dress > altogether, I'd be very grateful. > ------------------------------------------------------ > So you see I'm looking for a very specific dress/picture, not a general style. > > Thanks, > Julie > > >> Message: 1 >> From: "Marna Jean" >> To: >> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:34:57 -0500 >> Subject: [h-cost] Re: Reform dress >> Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> I either missed your post the first time or it was before I joined the list. >> Its in my period of study but not my focus, but I might be able to provide a >> lead or two- are you looking for a pattern, dress to study, diagram or what? >> And how "reform" do you want it. Though I imagine a teagown will be as close >> in style to a wedding gown as you will find. Have you seen the one on >> www.antiquedress.com - it looks like it could have been made right of a 1893 >> Butterick teagown pattern. >> Marna Jean > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 20:02:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01146 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:02:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71NpbE11306; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:51:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71NpSG17239; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:51:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71NljG15871 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:47:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net [216.42.122.247] by infoblvd.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id AAF0468B00FE; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:57:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3D49CB72.DEC91DE4@infoblvd.net> From: straight X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? References: <53.1a558362.2a7afe48@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: straight@infoblvd.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:59:47 -0400 Status: RO Find a quilt shop, and buy (or cheat and read it there) the book on Singer Featherweights. In there is a reprint of the direction booklet for using all the attachments, complete with pictures. It's a smallish book. If you don't have a store, you can get it from a catalog or online, particularly from a company that specializes in quilt fabrics. There are ads in the back of sewing magazines too, of course. Diane S.----southwest NYS <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I have a Singer from the 20's that was able to be a treadle also. And yes I can believe that Singer would not be able to identify things because I have taken some of the, 4 boxes, of attachments into Singer trying to find out what they were or how they worked and was told they have no literature on them and no one there could identify them. One of the pieces I have does pintucks... I inherited this from my Grandmother, who was a seamstress. The one I have is supposed to be the top of the line when it was made. It has a beautiful inlaid table it is inset in. My mother wanted to sell it in the 60's to get a new one and was told by the Singer salesman that nothing they has was as well made as this one. It is great have used it to sew up to 6 layers of velvet and it will also sew leather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 21:35:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01460 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:35:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g721OSE17366; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g721OP223760; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:24:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailsite.netdefender.net ([209.8.8.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g721LN222781 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:21:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (unverified [68.48.165.178]) by mailsite.netdefender.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:00:02 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Jen To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D49CB72.DEC91DE4@infoblvd.net> Message-Id: <26FBE400-A5B6-11D6-92B6-000A27D5E8F4@netdefender.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Subject: [h-cost] New G Street Open Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:21:20 -0400 Status: RO Just wanted to let those in the Washington, DC/Northern VA area know that the G Street Fabrics at Potomac Mills Mall in Woodbridge, VA opened today. They're in part of the former Ikea location and appear to have everything the rest of the stores do, despite being in an outlet mall. --jen, who is beginning to fear for her bank account _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 21:59:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01578 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:59:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g721mPE18818; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g721mO201164; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:48:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g721iK229805 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020802014415.JNMC23732.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:44:15 +0000 Message-ID: <3D49E3EA.8070502@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stamping fabric/warning References: <200207291348.AA35848440@caerthe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:44:10 -0700 Status: RO Thanks, Melanie, for the info. I haven't had the time to check out the stores yet. Hope to do that this weekend. Roscelin Melanie Unruh-Bays wrote: >I found lino blocks at a school-supply store this past weekend. If you can't get them at an art supply store, you might try there. They had a complete selection of supplies - handles, blades, brayers, and ink. After this fabric printing discussion, I was pretty happy to find them. I'm ready to experiment! > >Melanie > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 06:13:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11491 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:13:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72A1mE08272; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:01:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72A1d229554; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:01:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g729sf228208 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 03:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KKTITTQ2SW002J86@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:54:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KKTITD6O4W0029WI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:53:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:49:16 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:48:44 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.115) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:48:41 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant In-reply-to: <200208011414.g71EEgn22058@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <35A79C01370@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:48:41 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > we always take lots and lots of glasware with us. what I do is > most of them have their own individual boxes I purchased them in, > and inside they are wrapped in tissue paper. Those which don't have > boxes are thickly wrapped inside and out. All of the boxed ones and > the unboxed ones live and are transported in sturdy plastic folding > boxes. so far, knock on wood, no problems for yars. (famous last > words...) You obvioulsy don't have the famous Teddy Ability of pulling something *like a cloak or long robe) from the back of the car when you reach an event only to find that it has wound itself around 3 jugs and any piece of glasswear it can and immediately whips them out of the car and onto the ground at great speed. The first time it was a shock, the second it seemed like bad luck, after the third time it was taken to be a Sign.... > > I was in a real hurry (as I was when I made 1620 - 25 one, but that > > came out fine without a mock-up. I guess I just must be the right > > size for that one unaltered) > > as if you'd ever not be in a hurry dear! *L* Guilty as charged, Your Honor. > Next small thing to make is an embroidered night cap for ben. i > got embroidered linen fabric (an actual embroidery from ebay, silk > on linen) and will cut it up and make the cap and then adorn the > seams with a very lovely narrow gold lace, from ebay too. :-) I > just finished sewing on the doubled gold brush fringe onto ben's > kid leather gloves. after all, an officer should have those. Well, if I don't spot you in the crowd at Kirby, I can always follow Ben around until I see you. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 06:25:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11567 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:25:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72AE9E08605; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:14:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72AE8202330; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10303.mail.yahoo.com (web10303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g72A1J229485 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:01:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020802100119.39102.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.120.56.45] by web10303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:01:19 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208011624.g71GOoe04591@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2143009564-1028282479=:38480" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Reform dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:01:19 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-2143009564-1028282479=:38480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >I either missed your post the first time or it was before I joined the list. >Its in my period of study but not my focus, but I might be able to provide a >lead or two- are you looking for a pattern, dress to study, diagram or what? I must also have missed the original posting, (although I admit that when v. busy I do scan-read digests). But as I can't find any repetition anywhere of what you're actually looking for, am now completely confused! The wedding dress bit I get, and that you saw it in a book years ago, but are now trying to find a picture, I get, but what did it look like? Debbie. --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-2143009564-1028282479=:38480 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

 

>I either missed your post the first time or it was before I joined the list.
>Its in my period of study but not my focus, but I might be able to provide a
>lead or two- are you looking for a pattern, dress to study, diagram or what?

I must also have missed the original posting, (although I admit that when v. busy I do scan-read digests).

But as I can't find any repetition anywhere of what you're actually looking for, am now completely confused!  The wedding dress bit I get, and that you saw it in a book years ago, but are now trying to find a picture, I get, but what did it look like? 

Debbie.



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http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-2143009564-1028282479=:38480-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 06:40:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11625 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:40:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72ATfE09029; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:29:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72ATe205509; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:29:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g72ACZ201980 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:12:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020802101234.52225.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:12:34 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <35A79C01370@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:12:34 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > You obvioulsy don't have the famous Teddy Ability of pulling > something *like a cloak or long robe) from the back of the car when > you reach an event only to find that it has wound itself around 3 > jugs and any piece of glasswear it can and immediately whips > them out of the car and onto the ground at great speed. Oh no! That sounds terrible. It helps though when you go with a van fileld with the furniture and tents and a car(cars) filled with the soft kit. > The first time it was a shock, the second it seemed like bad luck, > after the third time it was taken to be a Sign.... *nods gravely* you are so right.... re patterns, I have Margo's pattern (of course, I love patterns, even if I don't necessarily use them *G*) and just discovered that her partlet pattern is still perfectly useable for 1660s working class/peasants, and her caul is lovely with some alterations to the band, as well as the round puch, I have paintings which show aslate as the 1660s the pouch being used by Dutch housewifes. Thanks Margo! :-) > Well, if I don't spot you in the crowd at Kirby, I can always follow > Ben around until I see you. Oh indeed, you can spot him miles away, he is so silver and glowing scarlet *LOL* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 10:35:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12935 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:35:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72EOTE19382; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72EOQ207603; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from NOAADC-MSW03.NOA.Alcoa.com (noaadc-msw03.noa.alcoa.com [147.154.9.220]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72EIO205217 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:18:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from noaadc-mxi03.NOA.Alcoa.com (unverified) by NOAADC-MSW03.NOA.Alcoa.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:18:05 -0400 Received: by noaadc-mxi03.NOA.Alcoa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:18:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Fairchild, Connie E." To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] Vintage and Antique Sewing Machine and Attachment Information Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:17:59 -0400 Status: RO The link below is for the On-line Antique Sewing Machine Resource website which has links and information on various brands of sewing machines. The gentleman who created this page is a recognized authority and author on old sewing machines. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3081/#general ISMACS, the International Sewing Machine Collectors Society has a wonderful web site, the link is below. They have a page which has pictures of sewing machine attachments and how to use them. http://www.ismacs.net/index.html To purchase sewing machine operating, service manuals, and attachment instructions, you might like to view the following link. http://www.sew2go.com/manual.htm No affiliation with anyone, only a collector and admirer of old sewing machines. Connie E. Fairchild _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 10:40:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13009 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:40:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72ETQE19746; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72ETQ209562; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from x11.quik.com (x11.quik.com [216.176.28.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72ERG208707 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from downstairs (ip091.vb.quik.com [216.176.5.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by x11.quik.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72ER8S7021524 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:27:13 -0700 From: "Anne Moeller" To: Subject: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets Message-ID: <000b01c23a30$98a0a020$696dfea9@downstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C23A0F.118F0020" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:26:29 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C23A0F.118F0020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Baroness has been doing lucet for years. Here is a brief note from her. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Rowanwald Central [mailto:rowanwald@sybercom.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:35 AM To: ladyanne@quik.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets There's some bone lucets featured on a webpage maintained by Gunnora. They were found in a 6th century Viking settlement on the northern coast of Scotland. Beyond that, there's no evidence that I am aware of until the 17th century - the Williamsburg museum has two sweet bags embroidered in tent stitch with lucetted cords. Thosee bags are date "1600" and "1600-50". Rosine Nobility depends not on parentage or place of birth, but on breadth of compassion and depth of loving-kindness. If we would be noble, let us be great-hearted. rowanwald@sybercom.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Moeller To: rowanwald@sybercom.net Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:26 AM Subject: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets Do you have any comments, information or documentation about when and where lucets were used? Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of freyalyn Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:11 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets >From my sources, I understand lucets to have been used to make ties and laces for all sorts of things from the Tenth century right up until the Nineteenth century. It was one of those crafts that disappeared without trace as soon as industrialisation started to produce cords and laces quickly and cheaply. _As far as I'm aware_, it's period for everything. Freyalyn, pretty certain but prepared to listen to a good argument..... _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters. >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. _____ Compu-Zoo of Virginia Beach, Inc... President.. fax 757-463-5904.. compuzoo@quik.com.. Gary F. Moeller.. tel 757-463-5607.. 845 Chimney Hill Shopping CenterVirginia Beach, VA 23452-3049.. .. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C23A0F.118F0020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
My=20 Baroness has been doing lucet for years.  Here is a brief note from = her.  Anne
-----Original Message-----
From: Rowanwald Central=20 [mailto:rowanwald@sybercom.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, = 2002 5:35=20 AM
To: ladyanne@quik.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] = Authenticity=20 of Lucets

There's some bone lucets featured on a webpage = maintained by=20 Gunnora. They were found in a 6th century Viking settlement on the = northern=20 coast of Scotland. Beyond that, there's no evidence that I am aware of = until the=20 17th century - the Williamsburg museum has two sweet bags embroidered in = tent=20 stitch with lucetted cords. Thosee bags are date "1600" and=20 "1600-50".
 
Rosine
Nobility depends not on parentage or place of birth,
but on = breadth of=20 compassion and depth of loving-kindness.
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From:=20 Anne = Moeller=20
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Subject: FW: [h-cost] = Authenticity of=20 Lucets

Do=20 you have any comments, information or documentation about when and = where=20 lucets were used?  Anne
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From my sources, I = understand lucets to have been used to make ties and laces for all = sorts of=20 things from the Tenth century right up until the Nineteenth century. = It was=20 one of those crafts that disappeared without trace as soon as=20 industrialisation started to produce cords and laces quickly and = cheaply. _As=20 far as I'm aware_, it's period for everything.

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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C23A0F.118F0020-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 10:45:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13028 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:45:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72EYRE20121; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72EYP211440; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:34:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72ESI209129 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a27.in-tch.com [66.62.107.7]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g72EDE927817 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:13:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4A9823.BA69A178@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant References: <35A79C01370@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 08:33:07 -0600 Status: RO Are all Teddy Abilities famous? --Sue Teddy wrote: > > You obvioulsy don't have the famous Teddy Ability of pulling > something *like a cloak or long robe) from the back of the car when > you reach an event only to find that it has wound itself around 3 > jugs and any piece of glasswear it can and immediately whips > them out of the car and onto the ground at great speed. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 10:55:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13110 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:55:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72EiQE20967; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72EiP215860; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:44:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g72EfS214454 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:41:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020802144126.26897.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:41:26 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c23a30$98a0a020$696dfea9@downstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:41:26 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Anne Moeller wrote: > > There's some bone lucets featured on a webpage maintained by Gunnora. > They were found in a 6th century Viking settlement on the northern coast > of Scotland. Beyond that, there's no evidence that I am aware of until > the 17th century - the Williamsburg museum has two sweet bags > embroidered in tent stitch with lucetted cords. Thosee bags are date > "1600" and "1600-50". Excuse my confusion, but why would the Williamsburg museum of all places (aren't they 18th century?) have items from 1600 or 1650. I would like to see the bags to verify their dates, I would also like to know who decided it is lucetted cord. Also, it is interesting that a place in the colonies appears to be the only one with lucetted cords found for the period, while i have not heard of any on the motherland. I'm just always dubious about everything until i am as sure and certain as i can possibly be. Also.. if there is one place with a couple of cords,and that in the colonies, how widespread would one think the method is then anywhere else? ;-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 11:30:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13320 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:30:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72FJUE23900; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72FJS202145; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:19:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72FFU200287 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:15:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.136.219]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020802151518.CBEA8715.out008.verizon.net@default> for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:15:18 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020802151349.00714000@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:13:49 -0400 Status: RO At 03:41 PM 8/2/02 +0100, you wrote: > --- Anne Moeller wrote: > >> There's some bone lucets featured on a webpage maintained by Gunnora. >> They were found in a 6th century Viking settlement on the northern coast >> of Scotland. Beyond that, there's no evidence that I am aware of until >> the 17th century - the Williamsburg museum has two sweet bags >> embroidered in tent stitch with lucetted cords. Thosee bags are date >> "1600" and "1600-50". > >Excuse my confusion, but why would the Williamsburg museum of all places >(aren't they 18th century?) have items from 1600 or 1650. I would like to see >the bags to verify their dates, I would also like to know who decided it is >lucetted cord. Also, it is interesting that a place in the colonies appears to >be the only one with lucetted cords found for the period, while i have not >heard of any on the motherland. >I'm just always dubious about everything until i am as sure and certain as i >can possibly be. >Also.. if there is one place with a couple of cords,and that in the colonies, >how widespread would one think the method is then anywhere else? >;-) > >Nicole > Just one little follow up. If the one bag really dates from 1600, then it was not made in a British Colony. By then Roanoke was gone, and Jamestowne was still another 7 years off. Cheers, Ron Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 12:50:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13735 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:50:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72GNsE29428; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:23:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72G9Si27867; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:09:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72G3Li24205 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p131.directcon.net [209.233.107.131]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g72G3EuO014010; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:03:15 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020802090831.00e02290@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Alternative style or Progressive/Aesthetic period In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801133723.00a38cd0@postoffice.att.net> References: <200208011624.g71GOke04556@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 09:08:31 -0700 Status: RO At 01:41 PM 08/01/2002 -0700, Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: >OK, let me repost the critical part of my original post: > >I'm looking for a photo of a wedding dress I saw in a costume book over 20 >years ago. The dress (not the book) was from around 1880 or 1890, and was >an example of an alternate style of design - one of the revisionist schools >of design that kept appearing during the 19th century. I =think= it was >called Progressive, but I'm not sure. It's been suggested that it might be >Revisionist or Aesthetic style. > >The dress was very simple, loose and flowing from a rather boat-shaped >gathered neckline, with bell-like sleeves. There was a definite Grecian >suggestion in the overall design. There was a band of several rows of >beadwork that circled the neckline, then at the back of the neck the >beadwork turned and went down either side of the back closure, and at the >waist turned towards the front and wrapped around somewhat like a medieval >girdle (only much wider), to pull the dress in at the waist and provide >some accent and contrast. There were matching rows of beadwork at the ends >of the sleeves as well. Also maybe at the hem, but I'm not sure > Was the dress pleated in tiny pleats? Because the beadwork edging sounds like Fortuny. You might try looking at some of his work. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 13:20:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13957 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:20:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72Gs8E02611; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72GgPi15568; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:42:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g72Gaui12300 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020802163655.43018.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 17:36:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020802151349.00714000@mail.verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:36:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Ron Carnegie wrote: > > Just one little follow up. If the one bag really dates from 1600, > then it was not made in a British Colony. By then Roanoke was gone, and > Jamestowne was still another 7 years off. Thanks ever so much Ron, my knowledge of the history of the colonies is quite abysmal *blush* I should get around these days to check the dates of settlments in the 17th c. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 14:16:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14341 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:16:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72HiLE07735; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72HMPi08475; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72HHqi05916 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:17:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.43.95]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020802171746.VHVW7441.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:17:46 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802095124.00a38ad0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200208021016.g72AGu202902@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re:Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:14:44 -0700 Status: RO OK, I see I need to add some more detail to my first post. I saw the picture in a book in the DeYoung book store. It wasn't a catalog or part of an exhibition at the museum, just a book off the shelf in the store. I can even remember the book a little, although it's somewhat vague. It was a large book, about the size of the Dover edition of Cunnington. I want to say it was a Dover book, but I'm not sure. Also, I'm almost positive the dress/picture was American, I think from New York, and not European. It was also a general costume book, and covered at least the 19th century, if not more. My interest at that time was specifically Regency, and I wouldn't have even taken a book off the shelf to look at if it didn't appear to include the Regency, from the title. The text was in two columns per page, and the picture I'm looking for was on a right-hand page, at the bottom of the right side column. I even think the page number was in the high 200's, but I may just be projecting wishful thinking, remembering that much detail. The book was more text than pictures, and all the pictures were in black and white (I think). I =think= it was a soft-cover book, which is why I think it might have been a Dover book. But the thing is, I have a pretty extensive collection of costume books, and I've got pretty much every Dover book on the subject, as well as all the standard, familiar, must-have texts (Waugh, Cunnington, Boucher, Laver, Bradfield, Yarwood, Payne, Norris, Davenport, Arnold, etc). To be honest, my collection is more extensive than most of the libraries around here (and I live in Los Angeles), although I haven't been in the UCLA library since I was a student there about 25 years ago. I know I should check that out (but if anyone is familiar with parking and navigating the UCLA campus, you'll understand my procrastination ). I will, however, check their catalog for the books mentioned here, on the Reform movement and such. The depressing thing is, I won't recognise the book even when I see it, so I can't just page through a catalog looking for a title to jump out at me. I have to go through the likely books and hope I see the picture. I realize this is probably a wild goose chase, but thanks everyone for your help. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 14:25:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14403 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:25:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72IEeE10310; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:14:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72IEci07509; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72I9ji05050 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:09:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.136.219]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020802180939.DWGG8715.out008.verizon.net@default> for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:09:39 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020802180810.0070ede8@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:08:10 -0400 Status: RO Funny, my follow up went through, but the original post bounced. Here it is again. Ron, >> --- Anne Moeller wrote: > >>> There's some bone lucets featured on a webpage maintained by Gunnora. >>> They were found in a 6th century Viking settlement on the northern coast >>> of Scotland. Beyond that, there's no evidence that I am aware of until >>> the 17th century - the Williamsburg museum has two sweet bags >>> embroidered in tent stitch with lucetted cords. Thosee bags are date >>> "1600" and "1600-50". >> >>Excuse my confusion, but why would the Williamsburg museum of all places >>(aren't they 18th century?) have items from 1600 or 1650. I would like to see >>the bags to verify their dates, I would also like to know who decided it is >>lucetted cord. Also, it is interesting that a place in the colonies appears to >>be the only one with lucetted cords found for the period, while i have not >>heard of any on the motherland. >>I'm just always dubious about everything until i am as sure and certain as i >>can possibly be. >>Also.. if there is one place with a couple of cords,and that in the colonies, >>how widespread would one think the method is then anywhere else? >>;-) >> >>Nicole > > I suspect that by "Williamsburg Museum" what was meant was the "DeWitt Wallace Museum of Decorative Arts". This museum will display parts of our textile collection on a rotating basis. I imagine that these bags were part of the needlework exhibit a few years back. > > This historic area's period of interest is without a doubt the third quarter of the 18th Century, but the collection is far more inclusive than that. In fact we own a portrait of Queen Elizabeth that was taken from life. I am not familiar with these bags, and agree that the cord might not be lucet work, but being in the colonies means nothing. The Dewitt was originally created to house the incredible antiques that used to be displayed in the Goveronor's Palace. Left over from a time when splendor was far more important the historical accuracy. Most of these items were NOT in the colonies untill Rockefeller sent his buyers searching for them in the 1920s and 30s. Again, I am not familiar with thes bags, and do not know there provenance, but I would not be at all surprised if they are NOT Colonial. Best bet would be to contact Linda Baumgarten, curator of Textiles for the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation. > >Ron Carnegie >Managing Interpret of Historic Productions >Colonial Williamsburg Foundation > Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 16:04:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15445 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:04:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72JrEE18727; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72JrBi27850; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:53:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g72JiXi23344 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:44:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020802194432.94696.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 20:44:32 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020802180810.0070ede8@mail.verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:44:32 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Ron Carnegie wrote: > > > This historic area's period of interest is without a doubt the > third quarter of the 18th Century, but the collection is far more inclusive > than that. In fact we own a portrait of Queen Elizabeth that was taken from > life. Interesting, I admit that I have not much interest in the colonies thus I did not know that the collection goes beyond the 18th century. I am not familiar with these bags, and agree that the cord might not > be lucet work, but being in the colonies means nothing. Again, interesting to know that indeed it is very important to be always dubious. There was no explanation in the original post where the bags originated from, thus it had to be assumed their providence was from the actual place where the museum is situated. The Dewitt was > originally created to house the incredible antiques that used to be > displayed in the Goveronor's Palace. Left over from a time when splendor > was far more important the historical accuracy. Most of these items were > NOT in the colonies untill Rockefeller sent his buyers searching for them in > the 1920s and 30s. Ah, I see, so it is the same as the two mantuas that were taken from their place of origin and bought into the US. And actually the same as the Elgian marbles or the Egyptian collection in the British Museum or the Mesopotamian antiquities in the Berlin museum. Money brings the items to wherever the money is, that's life. Again, I am not familiar with thes bags, and do not know > there provenance, but I would not be at all surprised if they are NOT > Colonial. Best bet would be to contact Linda Baumgarten, curator of > Textiles for the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation. Thank you for the tip, I won't do it, because it isn't even within my period of research, and thus I can't be bothered because I don't have time at all, but it is very useful to know, just in case. Thanks ever so much Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 16:30:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15659 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:30:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72KJME21053; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72KJKi10970; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72Jn0i25553 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020802194854.WGJF221.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:48:54 +0000 Message-ID: <003701c23a5d$9f93ac60$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802095124.00a38ad0@postoffice.att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:48:49 -0700 Status: RO > To be honest, my collection is more extensive than most of the libraries > around here (and I live in Los Angeles), although I haven't been in the > UCLA library since I was a student there about 25 years ago. I know I > should check that out (but if anyone is familiar with parking and > navigating the UCLA campus, you'll understand my procrastination ). I > will, however, check their catalog for the books mentioned here, on the > Reform movement and such. Julie, if you do get inspired to hit a local LA library, LACMA has a great costume/fashion research library. I'll take a troll through my bookshelf and see if I can find anything. - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 19:18:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17446 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:18:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72N79E06723; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:07:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72N74F11129; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from inet-mail3.oracle.com (inet-mail3.oracle.com [148.87.2.203]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72K0mi01667 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from inet-mail3.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet-mail3.oracle.com (Switch-2.2.3/Switch-2.2.3) with ESMTP id g72K0gS14971 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (rgmgw4.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.13]) by inet-mail3.oracle.com (Switch-2.2.3/Switch-2.2.3) with ESMTP id g72K0Z214857 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bperry_pc.oracle.com (dhcp-4op9-4op10-east-130-35-175-38.us.oracle.com [130.35.175.38]) by rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g72K0Z703454 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:00:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802125736.033a3ae8@gmmail.oraclecorp.com> X-Sender: betsy.perry@gmmail.oraclecorp.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Elizabeth Hanes Perry Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets In-Reply-To: <20020802194432.94696.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> References: <2.2.32.20020802180810.0070ede8@mail.verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 13:01:30 -0700 Status: RO At 08:44 PM 8/2/2002 +0100, you wrote: > > was far more important the historical accuracy. Most of these items were > > NOT in the colonies untill Rockefeller sent his buyers searching for > them in > > the 1920s and 30s. > >Ah, I see, so it is the same as the two mantuas that were taken from their >place of origin and bought into the US. Fair enough. >And actually the same as the Elgian >marbles or the Egyptian collection in the British Museum or the Mesopotamian >antiquities in the Berlin museum. Not really. The Elgin marbles can cause a flamewar in themselves, but the point is that Lord Elgin didn't make any attempt to determine the owners. Same with many pieces of ancient art in the colonial era -- adventurers simply grabbed them and ran. Nobody stole the Unicorn tapestries that now hang in the Cloisters museum. Buying an object of art and moving it is no different morally if you're moving it from Sussex to Kent or from Sussex to America. I'm sure that some fine examples of Tiffany glass and Revere silver are in Europe or Japan now. That wasn't theft, either. There's no moral law saying that beautiful objects must stay in the place they were made. Be well, do good work, and keep in touch. - G. Keillor Betsy Hanes Perry betsy.perry@oracle.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 19:20:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17465 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:20:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72N8BE06923; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:08:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72N88F11685; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72L3Ui03840 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72L2Q7o024991 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:02:27 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: Manessische Liederhandschrift, was Re: [h-cost] Medieval cross-dressing? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:12:53 -0700 Status: RO More information on the figure in the Manesse, number 135. I asked Master Klement St. Christoph to do an "on the fly" translation of the German information about the picture, and here is basically what he said: The picture depicts a person with the last name "Boppe" (the most recent Queen of Drachenwald was mundanely Christina Boppe - a piece of trivia only offered to show that it is still used as a last name in Germany) Basically there was a poet named Boppe of Swiss extraction at one of the local courts. He seems to have been something like a court poet. He was entered into the Meistersinger tradition even though he was not a "wandering" minstrel. One of his greatest claims to fame was that he was very large, and very strong, thus the depiction of him in the portrait as Sampson (The figure in yellow with the long hair and beard. Obviously pre-Delilah barbering. The object he has in his hands is a horseshoe! He has bent it nearly straight to demonstrate his strength. He is stooped over to keep him from towering over the two knights (the ones leaning on their swords). After all, he is only a poet. Regina Romsey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 19:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17472 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:20:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72N8FE06935; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72N8DF11728; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:08:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx1.famvid.com (a.mx.famvid.com [208.16.68.101] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g72LEGi10904 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 8170 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2002 21:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jeanne) (66.94.197.27) by mx1.famvid.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 21:17:19 -0000 Message-ID: <024001c23a69$945b8c80$9865fea9@jeanne> From: "Jeanne Harney" To: References: <34271701AA7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] New Singer Treadles Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:14:24 -0400 Status: RO The ones at Lehman's are supposed to be quite functional, as Lehman's is in the heart of Amish country, catering to Amish families. I like their electric machines converted to treadle...would like to have the one that does buttonholes and such. You can see their stuff at http://www.lehmans.com though the concept of an Amish store on the 'net is kind of funny. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020801144009.EXYT9318.out016.verizon.net@out016> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 9:40:09 -0500 Status: RO > > From: Margo Anderson > Date: 2002/08/01 Thu AM 01:03:53 CDT > To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com, > Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? > > > > > > Singer does still make treadle sewing machines. They are offered in the > Lohemann's catalog for non-electric living. They are rather expensive. > > If these are the ones that look just like an antique treadle machine, watch > out! I was selling Singers at the time, about ten years ago, that the > replica" treadle models were being introduced. My sales manager told me > that they were being made with the lowest quality parts and engineering, as > they were aimed at the "country decorating" crowd, with the expectation > that they would only occasionally be sewn on. > I suspect that this is not the same model. Besides being very expensive (more than the cost of an antique treadle) it is advertised in the Loehman's catalog. (It also has been offered in the catalog for longer than ten years).This catalog is intended for the Non-electric lifestyle. The stuff has to do the job, not just look cute and quaint. In fact most of there stuff is NOT very attractive, and practicality is the watchword. Much of the stuff in this catalog is still made because of the third world. Cheers, Ron _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 19:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17493 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:20:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72N8qE07057; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72N8mF12045; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:08:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71GT7e07236 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:29:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1869.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.23.77] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17aIoz-0005Fx-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:29:05 +0100 Message-ID: <001901c2397a$cf32c700$4d1786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C23983.2F4BF000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:45:11 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C23983.2F4BF000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, =20 May I quickly introduce myself as a new subscriber? 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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C23820.FE9E6EA0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 20:23:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18210 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:23:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g730CRE10746; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g730CNF03744; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:12:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7304OF01349 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g7304OB278279 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:04:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval cross-dressing? In-Reply-To: <3D3F8F5E.7CCAC205@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:04:23 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO WAAAY behind, yes, I know, but this leads me to another question: Does anyone know of sources for small (6"?) pieces of cloth of gold? I can't afford a yard of it, or a half yard, but a hanky-sized bit is all I really need and might be within my budget, if anybody sells such small quantities. Emma On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Oh, okay....that half-way makes sense. They sure looked like yokes of > fabric, but you said the _Treasury_..... > Hmmm....I wonder how I'd fake/duplicate it, since I don't exactly have > access to cloth of gold..... > --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 20:24:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18218 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:24:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g730D1E10786; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g730D0F03883; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73061F01891 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03176 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:07:12 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets In-Reply-To: <20020802194432.94696.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:07:12 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > Again, interesting to know that indeed it is very important to be > always dubious. There was no explanation in the original post where > the bags originated from, thus it had to be assumed their providence > was from the actual place where the museum is situated. It had never occurred to me before that that might be a logical assumption in Europe, particularly when you're talking about historical artifacts (rather than, say, paintings). In the States, though, there are many fine collections with a large proportion of work from outside the U.S. When you think about it, essentially all our pre-1620 work (other than native American) comes from outside of our own country, so we don't get into the habit of associating artifacts from pre-Colonial eras with the locale in which they're displayed. So it doesn't occur to me to find it odd that, say, the Cleveland Museum of Art has some fine pieces of medieval textiles. But if you told me that I'd find a good collection of Sioux artifacts in Florida, or Old West artifacts in Connecticut, or antebellum Southern gowns in Idaho, I'd think that was an odd place for them to end up. And I do remember being surprised to find a brilliant piece of English medieval embroidery in the cathedral treasury in Bruges. But, well, why not? I did go to Spain to see Flemish art, after all. And in those cases, the pieces made their travels on their own merits, exported from their country of origin like any other product to interested buyers. That was long before collectors (such as Lord Elgin, an excellent example Nicole mentioned) began wholesale movement of works from their places of origin for purposes of historic preservation and display. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 20:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18375 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:41:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g730UQE11524; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g730UPF08919; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:30:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g730OKF07164 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:24:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g730OKn280101 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:24:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? In-Reply-To: <20020730193106.IRXY5031.out018.verizon.net@out018> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:24:20 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO > Singer does still make treadle sewing machines. They are offered in > the Lohemann's catalog for non-electric living. They are rather > expensive. My 1916 White was a quarter of the price and has a much > nicer cabinet. Singer probably is the best way to go however if you > intend to use an antique. Parts are far easier to come by. (Luckily > the Singer belts fit the white!). Cheers, Ron You mean *Lehman's* Catalog, perhaps? Highly ironic, but they have a very nice webpage. www.lehmans.com Emma Lehman (not related, just a sort of customer) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 01:09:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20061 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:09:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g734wQE22531; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g734wOF15419; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from x11.quik.com (x11.quik.com [216.176.28.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g734r2F14186 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from downstairs (ip073.vb.quik.com [216.176.5.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by x11.quik.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g734qrO6025861 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:53:00 -0700 From: "Anne Moeller" To: Subject: FW: FW: Manessische Liederhandschrift, was Re: [h-cost] Medievalcross-dressing? Message-ID: <000001c23aa9$8cfd74e0$696dfea9@downstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g734r2F14186 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:52:19 -0400 Status: RO My niece sent me this site from the Heidelberg University. Really neat! It does look like there are more than 137 pages. Hope this is useful. Anne http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/cpg848 Here's a website for you re: the Codex...looks like they scanned the book online. I checked with a bookstore in Germany & they would have to order it for the same price as amazon, so if you want me to order it, let me know. I saw another book on amazon.de called Kleidung & Waffen der Spätgotik, Teil I: 1320 - 1370 (clothing & weapons)...might be of interest, as well. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 04:24:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA07759 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:24:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g738DQE29127; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:13:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g738DOF23387; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7386KF22093 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:06:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020803080619.88065.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 09:06:19 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:06:19 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > It had never occurred to me before that that might be a logical assumption > in Europe, particularly when you're talking about historical artifacts > (rather than, say, paintings). Ah, yes, but several factors come into that. A) I didn't get my dates right at all regarding settlements in the colonies, thus I believed there was a settlement at the time in questions. B) yes OF COURSE most of the time the artifacts in question here in Europe are from the place of origin of the actual museum! The National museum of denmark in Copenhagen has artifacts from denmark. The V&A has mainly artefacts from England. The Dresdner museum has artifacts from Saxony. and so on. It is indeed, I believe a very different way of thinking and I'm afraid I can't get my head around having to think 'where does this come from because it can't possibly be from here'. It's odd, sorry, but I grew up steeped in history all around me and everywhere. In the States, though, there are many fine > collections with a large proportion of work from outside the U.S. When you > think about it, essentially all our pre-1620 work (other than native > American) comes from outside of our own country, so we don't get into the > habit of associating artifacts from pre-Colonial eras with the locale in > which they're displayed. very true, I see your point, but as I said, we have (due to necessity) different frames of mind. > And I do remember being surprised to find a brilliant piece of English > medieval embroidery in the cathedral treasury in Bruges. But, well, why > not? It was probably there because it went there in medieval times. This happened fairly often, there is a piece of Anglo-Saxon 8th century brilliant embroidery in a reliquiary in Holland. It went to Holland in medieval times. Also, two World wars on our soil haven't helped, spoils of war were taken back to the raider's country, but I must say that most are back by now. The clothing of August the Strong (August der Starke) went to Russia after the war (II) but have been back in Dresden for a few years now. I did go to Spain to see Flemish art, after all. And in those cases, > the pieces made their travels on their own merits, exported from their > country of origin like any other product to interested buyers. That was > long before collectors (such as Lord Elgin, an excellent example Nicole > mentioned) began wholesale movement of works from their places of origin > for purposes of historic preservation and display. Yes it does happen occasionally, but you have to understand that it is not the norm, particularly not when talking about national museums. It doesn't help that I really don't have a clue about the US. I don't know how many States there are nor which they are, I am hopeless in Geography. Are there state museums? I don't know. Do they primarily display items originating in that state? I don't know. I was talking about what is the most PROBABLE origin (after all, it was the first thought that came to mind) and having been to so many European national museums the first thought was 'oh, it's from the same country or at least near there'. There you are, two contintents, two completely different ways of thinking :-) Nicole - in serious need of getting to know the major US museums, coz they have quite a few 17th c. bits. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 04:33:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA20799 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:33:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g738MOE29491; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:22:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g738MNF25136; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:22:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g738DWF23402 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020803081332.93024.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 09:13:32 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802125736.033a3ae8@gmmail.oraclecorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:13:32 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Elizabeth Hanes Perry wrote: > > Nobody stole the Unicorn tapestries that now hang in the Cloisters > museum. Buying an object of art and moving it is no different morally if > you're moving it from Sussex to Kent or from Sussex to America. I'm sure > that some fine examples of Tiffany glass and Revere silver are in Europe or > Japan now. That wasn't theft, either. There's no moral law saying that > beautiful objects must stay in the place they were made. Sheesh, I never said it was theft in the first place but I guess I didn't make clear that i do believe there is a big difference between 19th century 'adventurer archaeologists' who are in my opinion thieves, and those who buy who have the most money, and no, I don't like that either. Why is it that museums cannot afford a piece of relatively local history to be displayed where it should be, museums begging for donations so that they can buy such a piece, but they can't, and it goes elsewhere. Okay, that's only a small percentage. there are many different ways of buying and selling and sorry if I wasn't clear (and I realise now that I wasn't) I don't mean that pieces of interest should not be displayed in other countries so that the culture of the respectivecountry can be shown and explained and the world cultures grow more fond of each other etc. Nah, didn't mean that to happen. But I AM upset when a van Gogh painting is bought by someone who places it then into a vault, never to be seen again, that's a scandal! Or national museums being heartbroken because they cannot buy a coveted object of local/national importance because they just cannot afford it and it goes elsewhere where it is 'only' a beautiful object and not of further importance. There are so many levels to this, and I really don't want to get into it. In essence, I just hope that all museums in the world are relatively happy with what they have which is local/national, and also with what they have from other countries to show their culture. That's probably not the case because we don't live in an ideal world. Anyway, enough of that, I can't be bothered anymore and have to stitch on ben's embroidered nightcap instead. I personally see this thread closed for myself. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 04:33:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21080 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:33:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g738MUE29505; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:22:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g738MTF25168; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:22:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g738KdF24855 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020803082038.54544.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 09:20:38 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001901c2397a$cf32c700$4d1786d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:20:38 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Helen Partner wrote: > Dear helen, Welcome to you! there are quite a few of us here in the UK, though it doesn't always seem so. :-) I do late 17th century 1660-1715, so tell me, are you in the Sealed Knot or the ECW? (I assume you are in one of them) > I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries? Does anyone know > whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and outdoor use, both > children as well as babies (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels of > the social strata? I know it's asking a lot, but any help is appreciated. I would love to help as much as I can, but please you DO have to tell us which decade are you talking about. There are huge differences in different decades on the 17th century, and soon the forehead cloths got out of fashion anyway. Cheerio nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 07:10:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30478 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:10:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73Ax4E03716; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Ax3F23656; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Au0F23125 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-779.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.3.11] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17awZi-0008Oj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 11:55:58 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c23ade$9ead3f60$0b0386d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Edmunds" To: References: <20020803082038.54544.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:11:28 +0100 Status: RO Hello again and thanks for the welcome! Nicole, I'm actually in the GAS Co (Gentlemen and Allied Skills) which was originally an off-shoot of the ECWS. I first joined the SK, then had dual membership of the ECWS/SK for a few years. For my sins, I'm still a member of the ECWS although I don't really do military, I leave that to my husband! BTW, he's the bloke you see when you visit the homepage of the ECWS site! My primary interest is civilian and household. The GAS Co primarily covers 1620 - 1650. The issue of decades is a complex one because there's 3 females of differing status involved! I play wetnurse, my baby plays offspring to the gentlewoman/lady of the house and my 8 yr old plays "poor ward". So, as you can see, we could be portraying anything from these decades due to the status issue. If we take 1630 as a mean average, then I spose I could be wearing much older-style clothingn - the baby could go either way, as you've got the issue of clothing being handed-down (and the household is generally based in the countryside and therefore not up with the current trends) and my eldest would still be fairly lowly, I suppose. I know that forehead cloths may have gone out of style for women, but it appears that they were still in use in the last decade of the 17th Century as far as babies were concerned(Anne Buck's "Clothes and the Child"). I'd be very grateful for any info on x-cloths or forehead cloths for mine and my eldest's role. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: 03 August 2002 09:20 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century > --- Helen Partner wrote: > > > Dear helen, > > Welcome to you! there are quite a few of us here in the UK, though it doesn't > always seem so. :-) I do late 17th century 1660-1715, so tell me, are you in > the Sealed Knot or the ECW? (I assume you are in one of them) > > > I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries? Does anyone know > > whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and outdoor use, both > > children as well as babies (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels of > > the social strata? I know it's asking a lot, but any help is appreciated. > > I would love to help as much as I can, but please you DO have to tell us which > decade are you talking about. There are huge differences in different decades > on the 17th century, and soon the forehead cloths got out of fashion anyway. > > Cheerio > nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 07:31:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30564 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:31:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73BL4E04443; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 05:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73BL2F27755; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 05:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73BGdF26996 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 05:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-2674.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.42.114] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17awth-0006oP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 12:16:37 +0100 Message-ID: <003401c23ae1$81724f00$722a86d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Edmunds" To: References: <20020803082038.54544.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c23ade$9ead3f60$0b0386d9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:32:51 +0100 Status: RO Hello again, Not sure why the last message came up from Helen Edmunds, when I'm Helen Partner! We've just upgraded to MS Exp 6 so something has obviously caused the system to have a mental aberration! It's also deleted all the stuff in our previous Outlook Express! Gulp! Hope everyone else is having a better and less taxing day! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Edmunds" To: Sent: 03 August 2002 12:11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century > Hello again and thanks for the welcome! > > Nicole, > > I'm actually in the GAS Co (Gentlemen and Allied Skills) which was > originally an off-shoot of the ECWS. I first joined the SK, then had dual > membership of the ECWS/SK for a few years. For my sins, I'm still a member > of the ECWS although I don't really do military, I leave that to my husband! > BTW, he's the bloke you see when you visit the homepage of the ECWS site! > My primary interest is civilian and household. > > The GAS Co primarily covers 1620 - 1650. The issue of decades is a complex > one because there's 3 females of differing status involved! I play > wetnurse, my baby plays offspring to the gentlewoman/lady of the house and > my 8 yr old plays "poor ward". So, as you can see, we could be portraying > anything from these decades due to the status issue. If we take 1630 as a > mean average, then I spose I could be wearing much older-style clothingn - > the baby could go either way, as you've got the issue of clothing being > handed-down (and the household is generally based in the countryside and > therefore not up with the current trends) and my eldest would still be > fairly lowly, I suppose. I know that forehead cloths may have gone out of > style for women, but it appears that they were still in use in the last > decade of the 17th Century as far as babies were concerned(Anne Buck's > "Clothes and the Child"). I'd be very grateful for any info on x-cloths or > forehead cloths for mine and my eldest's role. > > Thanks > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N Kipar" > To: > Sent: 03 August 2002 09:20 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century > > > > --- Helen Partner wrote: > > > > > Dear helen, > > > > Welcome to you! there are quite a few of us here in the UK, though it > doesn't > > always seem so. :-) I do late 17th century 1660-1715, so tell me, are you > in > > the Sealed Knot or the ECW? (I assume you are in one of them) > > > > > I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries? Does anyone > know > > > whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and outdoor use, > both > > > children as well as babies (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels > of > > > the social strata? I know it's asking a lot, but any help is > appreciated. > > > > I would love to help as much as I can, but please you DO have to tell us > which > > decade are you talking about. There are huge differences in different > decades > > on the 17th century, and soon the forehead cloths got out of fashion > anyway. > > > > Cheerio > > nicole > > > > ===== > > Nicole Kipar M.A. > > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 09:41:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32586 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:41:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73DUdE07879; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:30:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73DUWF22477; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:30:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73DRjF21904 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:27:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17aywa-0001no-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 06:27:44 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century Organization: PII Message-ID: <000f01c23af0$2b5a5ea0$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C23AB5.7EFB86A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <000c01c2395f$9fa0ff40$fa1086d9@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 06:17:45 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C23AB5.7EFB86A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly question. I have seen these forehead cloths for years, but always lying flat (to display embellishment usually). I have always wondered how they were worn. I may have seen them on someone and not known what I was looking at. I conjectured in my own mind that they might have been worn in conjunction with an attifet or coif since you often see them together. Assuming we are talking about the same thing-a triangular piece of fabric-,was the pointy end worn to the back of the head (like a kerchief) or did it dangle over the forehead-(hence the name?) Thanks in ad vance, Saragrace -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Helen Partner Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31 AM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century Hello everyone, May I quickly introduce myself as a new subscriber? I'm a UK 17th Century re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about creating clothing that's as near to being an accurate a facsimile as possible. I've got two children (one 8 and one 5 months) and so my life is always busy! I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries? Does anyone know whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and outdoor use, both children as well as babies (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels of the social strata? I know it's asking a lot, but any help is appreciated. Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C23AB5.7EFB86A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly question.  = I have=20 seen these forehead cloths for years, but always lying flat (to display=20 embellishment usually).  I have always wondered how they were = worn.  I=20 may have seen them on someone and not  known what I was looking = at.  I=20 conjectured in my own mind that they might have been worn in conjunction = with an=20 attifet or coif since you often see them together.  Assuming we are = talking=20 about the same thing-a triangular piece of fabric-,was the pointy end = worn to=20 the back of the head (like a kerchief) or did it dangle over the = forehead-(hence=20 the name?)   Thanks in ad vance,
 
 
Saragrace
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Helen Partner
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31=20 AM
To: h-costume@net.indra.com
Subject: [h-cost] = Forehead=20 Clothes in the Seventeenth Century

Hello=20 everyone,
 
May I = quickly=20 introduce myself as a new subscriber?  I'm a  UK 17th = Century=20 re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about creating clothing that's = as near=20 to being an accurate a facsimile as possible.  I've got two = children (one=20 8 and one 5 months) and so my life is always busy!
 
I = wonder if someone=20 could help with a couple of queries?  Does anyone know whether = forehead=20 cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and outdoor use, both children = as well=20 as babies (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels of the social=20 strata?  I know it's asking a lot, but any help is=20 appreciated.
 
Thanks
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C23AB5.7EFB86A0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 11:03:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01704 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:03:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73Er9E10992; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:53:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Er7F08580; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73El8F07304 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:47:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-2244.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.24.196] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17b0BM-0003Sq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 15:47:05 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c23afe$e9729520$c41886d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Edmunds" To: References: <000f01c23af0$2b5a5ea0$6501a8c0@Home> Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23B07.4A1B2CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:03:21 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23B07.4A1B2CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageSaragrace It's not a silly question :-) Yep you're right, the forehead cloth is the triangular-shaped item. My = understanding, is that it was worn in conjunction with a coif (well, in = my period) and on the head with the flat edge to the front. Sometimes, = you can see a faint glimpse of these in the various images of babies in = the 17th C. A friend and I were having just such a discussion yesterday = about how far over the forehead the fc came! We're not really sure, = either! Looking at pictorial evidence, it appears that they didn't = protrude too much. I've not been too much help, have I? Regards Helen =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Saragrace knauf=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: 03 August 2002 14:17 Subject: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead = Clothes in the Seventeenth Century Hi Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly question. = I have seen these forehead cloths for years, but always lying flat (to = display embellishment usually). I have always wondered how they were = worn. I may have seen them on someone and not known what I was looking = at. I conjectured in my own mind that they might have been worn in = conjunction with an attifet or coif since you often see them together. = Assuming we are talking about the same thing-a triangular piece of = fabric-,was the pointy end worn to the back of the head (like a = kerchief) or did it dangle over the forehead-(hence the name?) Thanks = in ad vance, Saragrace -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Helen Partner Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31 AM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century Hello everyone, May I quickly introduce myself as a new subscriber? I'm a UK 17th = Century re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about creating clothing = that's as near to being an accurate a facsimile as possible. I've got = two children (one 8 and one 5 months) and so my life is always busy! I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries? Does = anyone know whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and = outdoor use, both children as well as babies (babies I know about) and = pervaded all levels of the social strata? I know it's asking a lot, but = any help is appreciated. Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23B07.4A1B2CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Saragrace
 
It's not a silly = question =20 :-)
Yep you're right,  = the forehead=20 cloth is the triangular-shaped item.  My understanding, is that it = was worn=20 in conjunction with a coif (well, in my period) and on the head with the = flat=20 edge to the front.  Sometimes, you can see a faint glimpse of these = in  the various images of babies in the 17th C.  A friend and = I were=20 having just such a discussion yesterday about how far over the forehead = the fc=20 came!  We're not really sure, either!  Looking at pictorial = evidence,=20 it appears that they didn't protrude too much.  I've not been too = much=20 help, have I?
 
Regards
Helen  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Saragrace knauf
Sent: 03 August 2002 = 14:17
Subject: Dumb question about = forehead=20 cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth = Century

Hi=20 Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly = question.  I=20 have seen these forehead cloths for years, but always lying flat (to = display=20 embellishment usually).  I have always wondered how they were = worn. =20 I may have seen them on someone and not  known what I was looking = at.  I conjectured in my own mind that they might have been worn = in=20 conjunction with an attifet or coif since you often see them = together. =20 Assuming we are talking about the same thing-a triangular piece of = fabric-,was=20 the pointy end worn to the back of the head (like a kerchief) or did = it dangle=20 over the forehead-(hence the name?)   Thanks in ad=20 vance,
 
 
Saragrace
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Helen Partner
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31=20 AM
To: h-costume@net.indra.com
Subject: [h-cost] = Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century

Hello = everyone,
 
May I = quickly=20 introduce myself as a new subscriber?  I'm a  UK 17th = Century=20 re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about creating clothing = that's as=20 near to being an accurate a facsimile as possible.  I've got = two=20 children (one 8 and one 5 months) and so my life is always=20 busy!
 
I = wonder if someone=20 could help with a couple of queries?  Does anyone know whether = forehead=20 cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and outdoor use, both children = as well=20 as babies (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels of the = social=20 strata?  I know it's asking a lot, but any help is=20 appreciated.
 
Thanks
= ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23B07.4A1B2CE0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 11:26:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01803 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:26:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73FG6E12043; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73FG4F13859; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73F9sF12459 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020803150948.YVFM23732.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:09:48 +0000 Message-ID: <3D4BF234.5010103@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century References: <000f01c23af0$2b5a5ea0$6501a8c0@Home> <000b01c23afe$e9729520$c41886d9@oemcomputer> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000306000608040103020009" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 08:09:40 -0700 Status: RO --------------000306000608040103020009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could you or someone recommend some pictures so I can take a look at what you are talking about better? This is not my period, but it does sound very interesting. Roscelin Helen Edmunds wrote: > Saragrace > > > > It's not a silly question :-) > > Yep you're right, the forehead cloth is the triangular-shaped item. > My understanding, is that it was worn in conjunction with a coif > (well, in my period) and on the head with the flat edge to the front. > Sometimes, you can see a faint glimpse of these in the various images > of babies in the 17th C. A friend and I were having just such a > discussion yesterday about how far over the forehead the fc came! > We're not really sure, either! Looking at pictorial evidence, it > appears that they didn't protrude too much. I've not been too much > help, have I? > > > > Regards > > Helen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Saragrace knauf > > To:h-costume@indra.com > > Sent: 03 August 2002 14:17 > > Subject: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] > Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > > > Hi Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly > question. I have seen these forehead cloths for years, but always > lying flat (to display embellishment usually). I have always > wondered how they were worn. I may have seen them on someone and > not known what I was looking at. I conjectured in my own mind > that they might have been worn in conjunction with an attifet or > coif since you often see them together. Assuming we are talking > about the same thing-a triangular piece of fabric-,was the pointy > end worn to the back of the head (like a kerchief) or did it > dangle over the forehead-(hence the name?) Thanks in ad vance, > > > > > > Saragrace > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Helen Partner > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31 AM > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > > Hello everyone, > > > > May I quickly introduce myself as a new subscriber? I'm a UK > 17th Century re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about > creating clothing that's as near to being an accurate a > facsimile as possible. I've got two children (one 8 and one 5 > months) and so my life is always busy! > > > > I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries? Does > anyone know whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both > indoor and outdoor use, both children as well as babies > (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels of the social > strata? I know it's asking a lot, but any help is appreciated. > > > > Thanks > --------------000306000608040103020009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could you or someone recommend some pictures so I can take a look at what you are talking about better?  This is not my period, but it does sound very interesting.

Roscelin

Helen Edmunds wrote:
Message
Saragrace
 
It's not a silly question  :-)
Yep you're right,  the forehead cloth is the triangular-shaped item.  My understanding, is that it was worn in conjunction with a coif (well, in my period) and on the head with the flat edge to the front.  Sometimes, you can see a faint glimpse of these in  the various images of babies in the 17th C.  A friend and I were having just such a discussion yesterday about how far over the forehead the fc came!  We're not really sure, either!  Looking at pictorial evidence, it appears that they didn't protrude too much.  I've not been too much help, have I?
 
Regards
Helen  
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 03 August 2002 14:17
Subject: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century

Hi Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly question.  I have seen these forehead cloths for years, but always lying flat (to display embellishment usually).  I have always wondered how they were worn.  I may have seen them on someone and not  known what I was looking at.  I conjectured in my own mind that they might have been worn in conjunction with an attifet or coif since you often see them together.  Assuming we are talking about the same thing-a triangular piece of fabric-,was the pointy end worn to the back of the head (like a kerchief) or did it dangle over the forehead-(hence the name?)   Thanks in ad vance,
 
 
Saragrace
-----Original Message-----
From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Helen Partner
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31 AM
To: h-costume@net.indra.com
Subject: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century

Hello everyone,
 
May I quickly introduce myself as a new subscriber?  I'm a  UK 17th Century re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about creating clothing that's as near to being an accurate a facsimile as possible.  I've got two children (one 8 and one 5 months) and so my life is always busy!
 
I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries?  Does anyone know whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and outdoor use, both children as well as babies (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels of the social strata?  I know it's asking a lot, but any help is appreciated.
 
Thanks

--------------000306000608040103020009-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 12:38:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02000 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:38:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73GRDE15044; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73GRBF29263; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73GQ1F28937 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17b1j6-0002v0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 09:26:01 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century Organization: PII Message-ID: <001c01c23b09$12c77080$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C23ACE.66689880" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3D4BF234.5010103@attbi.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:16:06 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C23ACE.66689880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are some pics I guess I should have looked here before I asked the question http://costume.dm.net/headwear/coifpics.html Leave it to Drea-she always has at least part of the anwer! ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C23ACE.66689880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Here=20 are some pics
 
I=20 guess I should have looked here   before  I = asked  =20 the  question   http://costume.dm.n= et/headwear/coifpics.html
 
Leave=20 it to Drea-she always has at least part of the = anwer!
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C23ACE.66689880-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 12:59:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02248 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:59:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73Gn2E15751; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Gn2F04101; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f220.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.220]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73GgDF02759 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:42:08 -0700 Received: from 65.67.61.199 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 16:42:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.67.61.199] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2002 16:42:08.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[B50400E0:01C23B0C] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 16:42:07 +0000 Status: RO Well, Texas just recently opened a state history museum - The Bob Bullock Texas State History Museum. It's been open about a year, and is more successful than they thought it would be. Even tho Spain claimed the land that became Texas in 1519, Texas as we know it is ver young, even compared to other states - less than 200 years. I haven't yet been to the museum, but I did tour the Capitol building last weekend, and they have a Battle Flag from one of the Taxas Independence wars, and they won't display it becasue "it's very old" and they don't want it damaged while on display. The display model is a replica. Rumor has it the State History museum has textiles on display. Mary/Katerine in unseasonanbly cool Austin - we have yet to have a 100 degree F day this summer! >Yes it does happen occasionally, but you have to understand that it is not >the >norm, particularly not when talking about national museums. It doesn't help >that I really don't have a clue about the US. I don't know how many States >there are nor which they are, I am hopeless in Geography. Are there state >museums? I don't know. Do they primarily display items originating in that >state? I don't know. I was talking about what is the most PROBABLE origin >(after all, it was the first thought that came to mind) and having been to >so >many European national museums the first thought was 'oh, it's from the >same >country or at least near there'. > >Nicole - in serious need of getting to know the major US museums, coz they >have >quite a few 17th c. bits. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 13:00:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02262 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:00:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73GnEE15777; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:49:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73GnDF04145; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:49:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (smtp.netins.net [167.142.225.202]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73GkQF03631 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:46:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [167.142.16.74] (HELO hppav) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 122121202 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 11:46:26 -0500 Message-ID: <012001c23b0c$c412adc0$4a108ea7@hppav> From: "Land of Oz" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] pattern age id Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:42:32 -0500 Status: RO I have some vintage children's patterns that I'd like to date. They are all Simplicity patterns priced from 15 cents to 40 cents. If you know a good on-line source, I'd appreciate a link, or if you are knowledgeable about designs from the mid 20th century, please let me know. I have scanned two of the covers and I could send them to someone for viewing. The pattern numbers are 1824, 4318, 2002, 4103, 1734, 2059, if that helps anyone. Thanks Denise landofoz@netins.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 13:41:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03351 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:41:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73HV4E17564; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:31:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73HV3F13385; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g73HRbF12648 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:27:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020803172736.24380.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 18:27:36 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:27:36 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Mary Temple wrote: > > I did tour the Capitol building last weekend, and they have a Battle Flag > from one of the Taxas Independence wars, and they won't display it becasue > "it's very old" and they don't want it damaged while on display. The display > model is a replica. Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? Oh my.... I am trying to get my head around this way of thinking, but I just had my seamstress cut up and put back together over 100 year old lace to make the ruffles for my chemise for the mantua, and it seems like using something modern. I have pieces of 17th century lace that admittedly I would not consider cutting up, but instead I use them whole or for display, and have a late 18th century fan, that admittedly I wouldn't use, due to it's delicate condition (painted silk). This is really fascinating, completely different ways of thinking and values. 200 year old things are considered to be quite modern and just vintage here, at least amongst the historians and curators that I know. Fascinating! Thanks Mary, I'm flabbergasted. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 14:11:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04089 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:11:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73I07E18858; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73I06F19933; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:00:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from inet-mail3.oracle.com (inet-mail3.oracle.com [148.87.2.203]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73HsfF18663 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from inet-mail3.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet-mail3.oracle.com (Switch-2.2.3/Switch-2.2.3) with ESMTP id g73HsXS04611 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgmgw6.us.oracle.com (rgmgw6.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.15]) by inet-mail3.oracle.com (Switch-2.2.3/Switch-2.2.3) with ESMTP id g73HsW204606 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web155 (web155.oracle.com [148.87.16.128] (may be forged)) by rgmgw6.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g73HsWV15341 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:54:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <7910987.1028397115132.JavaMail.nobody@web155> From: Betsy Hanes Perry To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Webmail Client Subject: [h-cost] Time Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:51:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Status: RO > Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very > old'? Oh my.... I am trying to get my head around this way of > thinking The difference between Europeans and Americans is that Europeans think 100 miles is a long distance, and Americans think 100 years is a long time. (Old joke, but true.) Betsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 15:15:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05990 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:15:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73J46E21385; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73J45F04710; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73J0qF03947 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-44-220.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.44.220]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g73J0o4247092 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:00:51 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c23b20$174475b0$dc2caf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <012001c23b0c$c412adc0$4a108ea7@hppav> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern age id MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:00:52 -0700 Status: RO I might be able to help if you'd like to send me scans. The pattern numbers are reused, so they don't mean much without pics. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Do you not know I am a woman?. When I think, I must speak." As You Like It; III, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Land of Oz" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] pattern age id > I have some vintage children's patterns that I'd like to date. They are all > Simplicity patterns priced from 15 cents to 40 cents. > > If you know a good on-line source, I'd appreciate a link, or if you are > knowledgeable about designs from the mid 20th century, please let me know. I > have scanned two of the covers and I could send them to someone for viewing. > The pattern numbers are 1824, 4318, 2002, 4103, 1734, 2059, if that helps > anyone. > > Thanks > Denise > landofoz@netins.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 15:37:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06655 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:37:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73JR4E22233; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:27:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73JR3F09919; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73JLJF08715 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:21:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020803192114.JBJA23732.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:21:14 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01c23b22$e8960d70$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <012001c23b0c$c412adc0$4a108ea7@hppav> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern age id MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:21:03 -0700 Status: RO There are some books on vintage patterns called _Blueprints of Fashion_, and they include information on dating (including years when logos and number series changed, etc.). These might help! - Kendra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Land of Oz" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] pattern age id > I have some vintage children's patterns that I'd like to date. They are all > Simplicity patterns priced from 15 cents to 40 cents. > > If you know a good on-line source, I'd appreciate a link, or if you are > knowledgeable about designs from the mid 20th century, please let me know. I > have scanned two of the covers and I could send them to someone for viewing. > The pattern numbers are 1824, 4318, 2002, 4103, 1734, 2059, if that helps > anyone. > > Thanks > Denise > landofoz@netins.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 15:59:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07281 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:59:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73Jn4E23230; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:49:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Jn3F14991; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Je8F12931 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p235.directcon.net [209.233.107.235]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g73Jdfcj006864; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:39:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020803124457.00e9eb50@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets In-Reply-To: <20020803172736.24380.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 12:44:57 -0700 Status: RO >Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? Nicole, the way I have heard it put is: In America, we think a hundred years is a long time. In England, you think a hundred miles is a long way. It's jsut a matter of the local culture. Except for Native American artifacts, nothing in this country is much more than 400 years old. In the part of the country I'm in, (Gold Rush area of California) there were no European settlers until the 1850's, and everyone oohs and ahhs over 19th century artifacts. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 16:23:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07978 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:23:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73KCLE24267; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:12:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73KCKF20493; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:12:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73K8qF19721 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:08:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g73K8pc393429 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:08:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets In-Reply-To: <20020803172736.24380.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:08:51 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO > Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? Not necessarily. If I'm remembering my American History correctly (Would an actual Texan please pipe up?), there were several wars of independance between Texas and Mexico long before Texas was a state. So very old in this case means "Not less than 200 years." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 17:07:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09478 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:07:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73Ku6E25897; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Ku5F00373; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73KsKF29824 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17b5uk-000C2Q-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 21:54:18 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century References: <000f01c23af0$2b5a5ea0$6501a8c0@Home> <000b01c23afe$e9729520$c41886d9@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <000b01c23afe$e9729520$c41886d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:52:44 +0100 Status: RO Are there portraits of people wearing them? Did they go over the coif or under? I've just recently been investigating religious headcovering, and having had it pointed out to me, noticing that many women wearing hijab wear a small cap or tied headscarf underneath, which comes down to the forehead, and the large headscarf sits further back on the head. Do forehead cloths work in a similar way? Jean Waddie Helen Edmunds wrote >Saragrace >  >It's not a silly question  :-) >Yep you're right,  the forehead cloth is the triangular-shaped item.  My >understanding, is that it was worn in conjunction with a coif (well, in my >period) and on the head with the flat edge to the front.  Sometimes, you >can see a faint glimpse of these in  the various images of babies in the >17th C.  A friend and I were having just such a discussion yesterday about >how far over the forehead the fc came!  We're not really sure, either!  >Looking at pictorial evidence, it appears that they didn't protrude too much. >  I've not been too much help, have I? >  >Regards >Helen   > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Saragrace knauf > To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: 03 August 2002 14:17 > Subject: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] > Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > > Hi Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly question.  I > have seen these forehead cloths for years, but always lying flat (to > display embellishment usually).  I have always wondered how they > were worn.  I may have seen them on someone and not  known what I > was looking at.  I conjectured in my own mind that they might have > been worn in conjunction with an attifet or coif since you often see > them together.  Assuming we are talking about the same thing-a > triangular piece of fabric-,was the pointy end worn to the back of the > head (like a kerchief) or did it dangle over the forehead-(hence the > name?)   Thanks in ad vance, >   >   > Saragrace > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-admin@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Helen Partner >> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31 AM >> To: h-costume@net.indra.com >> Subject: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > >> Hello everyone, >>   >> May I quickly introduce myself as a new subscriber?  I'm a  UK 17th >> Century re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about creating >> clothing that's as near to being an accurate a facsimile as possible.  >> I've got two children (one 8 and one 5 months) and so my life is >> always busy! >>   >> I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries?  Does >> anyone know whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor >> and outdoor use, both children as well as babies (babies I know >> about) and pervaded all levels of the social strata?  I know it's asking >> a lot, but any help is appreciated. >>   >> Thanks -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 17:52:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10780 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:52:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73LfBE27668; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Lf3F10207; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.wt.net (sys31.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73LUuF07930 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kverscho (216-119-128-31.ipset8.wt.net [216.119.128.31]) by smtp.wt.net (8.12.3/8.12.2) with SMTP id g73LURe4009944 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:30:28 -0500 Message-ID: <042101c23b35$1d37d920$448077d8@wt.net> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:31:20 -0500 Status: RO The flag in question was from the Battle of San Jacinto that occurred in 1836. This was the battle where Sam Houston and his fellow "Texians" effected their revenge on Santa Anna for the Alamo. Santa Anna was literally caught with his pants down as he was being entertained that afternoon in his tent by a local "mulatto" slave girl nicknamed "The Yellow Rose". The flag has almost religious significance for Texas and consequently is being stored in the dark under controlled temperature and humidity. Hope this helps, Karen Verschoor Houston, TX http://kverschoor0.tripod.com/home.htm > > > Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? > > Not necessarily. If I'm remembering my American History correctly (Would > an actual Texan please pipe up?), there were several wars of independance > between Texas and Mexico long before Texas was a state. So very old in > this case means "Not less than 200 years." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 17:52:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10790 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:52:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73LfRE27685; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:41:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73LfRF10301; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:41:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.wt.net (sys31.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73LcAF09591 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:38:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kverscho (216-119-131-129.ipset11.wt.net [216.119.131.129]) by smtp.wt.net (8.12.3/8.12.2) with SMTP id g73Lboe4010106 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:37:51 -0500 Message-ID: <042501c23b36$25507da0$448077d8@wt.net> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanner: Found to be clean Subject: [h-cost] Battle of San Jacinto was: State History Museums Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:38:43 -0500 Status: RO To bring this back to the topic of costuming - this battle is reenacted every year in (of course) period costume. Photos of this years reneactment can be found on my web page under 2002 projects. Karen Verschoor Houston, TX http://kverschoor0.tripod.com/home.htm > > Not necessarily. If I'm remembering my American History correctly (Would > an actual Texan please pipe up?), there were several wars of independance > between Texas and Mexico long before Texas was a state. So very old in > this case means "Not less than 200 years." > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 18:03:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11049 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:03:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73Lr3E28134; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Lr2F13034; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Lg0F10478 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:35:19 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AC9740C800AA; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 14:35:19 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Sat, 03 Aug 2002 14:35:18 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] pattern age id Message-ID: <001901c23b36$8c3324f0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <012001c23b0c$c412adc0$4a108ea7@hppav> Importance: Normal X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: h-costume@indra.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:41:37 -0500 Status: RO You could send me your scans, I can probably tell within a few years. Kim Baird kbaird@cableone.net -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Land of Oz Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 11:43 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] pattern age id I have some vintage children's patterns that I'd like to date. They are all Simplicity patterns priced from 15 cents to 40 cents. If you know a good on-line source, I'd appreciate a link, or if you are knowledgeable about designs from the mid 20th century, please let me know. I have scanned two of the covers and I could send them to someone for viewing. The pattern numbers are 1824, 4318, 2002, 4103, 1734, 2059, if that helps anyone. Thanks Denise landofoz@netins.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 18:04:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11056 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:04:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73LrDE28160; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:53:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73LrCF13079; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73LjJF11252 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:45:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust125.tnt1.myrtle-beach.sc.da.uu.net ([67.226.239.125] helo=faucet.net) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17b6i6-0003Fo-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 14:45:19 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4C5C69.C218B47@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] actual Texan here--OT on Texas flag Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 17:42:48 -0500 Status: RO Emma Elizabeth Lehman wrote: > > > Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? > > Not necessarily. If I'm remembering my American History correctly (Would > an actual Texan please pipe up?), there were several wars of independance > between Texas and Mexico long before Texas was a state. Howdy. ;) Texas' war of independence from Mexico culminated in victory (for Texas) in 1836. (Mexico had only won its independence from Spain fifteen years previously.) It seems likely that this was the war in question. A synopsis of the six flags of Texas can be seen here: http://www.lsjunction.com/facts/6flags.htm The battle flag in question may have been the same design as was then used to signify the newly liberated Republic of Texas and today flies as the Texas state flag. All this to say that the flag in question is most likely less than 200 years old. It may be that, having been in battle, it is more fragile than age alone would suggest. Cheers, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 18:21:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11348 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:21:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73MAmE28891; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73MAlF17100; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:10:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73M1LF14916 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:01:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-63.210.222.51.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([63.210.222.51] helo=earthlink.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17b6xc-0005VB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 15:01:20 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4C52BF.2070406@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <3.0.6.32.20020803124457.00e9eb50@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: State History Museums Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 18:01:35 -0400 Status: RO It does also depend a bit on where you are in the USA. I'm in New York City, and we aren't all that impressed by 19th century... plenty of that around! 18th century varies... And our Museum of the City of New York certainly has many things in it that were not produced here. They have an extensive collection of 17th century articles from the Netherlands, which were brought here by settlers when this area was first colonized as New Amsterdam. These things were used here, but not made here. Since the city was founded as a seaport and trading post, and has flourished as such ever since (though our methods of trade and transportation have changed *G* ), our history would not be complete without evidence of that trade, which has always been more important to the city than actual manufacture. (Design, yes. Manufacture, no...) Anne Margo Anderson wrote: > >Nicole, the way I have heard it put is: In America, we think a hundred >years is a long time. In England, you think a hundred miles is a long way. > It's jsut a matter of the local culture. > >Except for Native American artifacts, nothing in this country is much more >than 400 years old. In the part of the country I'm in, (Gold Rush area of >California) there were no European settlers until the 1850's, and everyone >oohs and ahhs over 19th century artifacts. > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 19:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13027 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:33:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73NN6E02062; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:23:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73NN4F02879; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73NBgF00436 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:11:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.163.11b699eb (4560) for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:11:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <163.11b699eb.2a7dbd26@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] actual Texan here--OT on Texas flag To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:11:34 EDT Status: RO Many flags were made of silk, and many silk textiles are not aging well. Most of you are probably aware of many late 19th century, or even 20th century, silk garments that are shattering. So the decision not to display this one could be very wise. Also, most collections now try to rotate all the textiles that are on view, to limit the exposure to light and the stress of display. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 20:30:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14319 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:30:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g740K6E03858; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g740K3F15862; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7408xF13884 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:08:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A0C930504; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 19:09:45 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: Subject: RE: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020803172736.24380.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:09:45 -0500 Status: RO "In America 100 years is a long time. In England 100 miles is a long distance." it's all due to your frame of reference... Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 12:28 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets --- Mary Temple wrote: > > I did tour the Capitol building last weekend, and they have a Battle Flag > from one of the Taxas Independence wars, and they won't display it becasue > "it's very old" and they don't want it damaged while on display. The display > model is a replica. Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? Oh my.... I am trying to get my head around this way of thinking, but I just had my seamstress cut up and put back together over 100 year old lace to make the ruffles for my chemise for the mantua, and it seems like using something modern. I have pieces of 17th century lace that admittedly I would not consider cutting up, but instead I use them whole or for display, and have a late 18th century fan, that admittedly I wouldn't use, due to it's delicate condition (painted silk). This is really fascinating, completely different ways of thinking and values. 200 year old things are considered to be quite modern and just vintage here, at least amongst the historians and curators that I know. Fascinating! Thanks Mary, I'm flabbergasted. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 20:31:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14344 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:31:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g740KiE03879; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:20:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g740KhF16056; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g740AGF14127 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:10:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A11770504; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 19:11:03 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Time Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <7910987.1028397115132.JavaMail.nobody@web155> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:11:03 -0500 Status: RO first she takes my joke, now she's got my name too... wah! Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Betsy Hanes Perry Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 12:52 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Time > Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very > old'? Oh my.... I am trying to get my head around this way of > thinking The difference between Europeans and Americans is that Europeans think 100 miles is a long distance, and Americans think 100 years is a long time. (Old joke, but true.) Betsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 20:38:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14494 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:38:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g740RbE04147; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:27:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g740RZF17422; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:27:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g740I4F15527 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:18:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 73084067 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 20:17:50 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c23b4c$3fbe8900$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: References: <000f01c23af0$2b5a5ea0$6501a8c0@Home> <000b01c23afe$e9729520$c41886d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Re: More questions about forehead cloths Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:16:57 -0500 Status: RO When did people start wearing forehead cloths? Were they worn in public, or were they more of an in private piece of clothing? ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 22:23:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16789 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:23:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g742CQE08457; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g742COF10738; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:12:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7424TF08847 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:04:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m48.in-tch.com [216.166.191.48]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g741oN929401 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4C8D0B.B1ECC089@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: State History Museums References: <3.0.6.32.20020803124457.00e9eb50@pop.directcon.net> <3D4C52BF.2070406@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 20:10:19 -0600 Status: RO Amen to that! I'm in Montana (it's a good sized chunk of the NW part of the U.S., straddling the Rocky Mountains and the Continental Divide, to those of us not familiar with US geography)....the history of non-native peoples in this area is just *barely* 200 years total--the big tourist attraction this year (and for a few more years) is all the 200th anniversary hoopla of the Lewis and Clark expedition. The peoples who lived here before it was overrun by settlers, miners, fur trappers, etc., were mostly migratory, as far as I know--I don't know, for instance, that they built permanent structures at all, although I could be wrong! So our history is very, very different from that of more settled areas of the US, let alone Europe, or Asia, or Africa, or parts of Central and South America, which all have had civilizations far back into the past! I think it gives you a very different outlook, if you let it. The things that are *old* here have nothing to do with man and womankind. Some of the trees here pre-date us, and the rocks definitely do! (not a specious comment--there are some amazing dinosaur finds in parts of Montana...I spent a couple of years living in eastern Montana, where my brother and I regularly went fossil-hunting....I've got some of the best ones (mostly from leaves) on the bookshelves in my living room (right next to all the costuming books ). And we have huge amounts of open space out here--Montana's the size of Spain, but only has about 800,000 people total. The town I live in (Missoula) only has (if you include the surrounding county) about, maybe, 80,000? And it's the second-largest town in the state, I think.... When I fly into London at the end of the month, it will be the largest city I've ever been in! It makes me a bit nervous, the thought of all those people! I've never ridden on a subway, for instance, or a passenger train, or been to another country except Canada. (Amazingly enough, Saskatchewan and Alberta (provinces in Canada) look a *lot* like my home state, except that the beer's better, and the campbell's soup labels come in french AND english I'd venture to say that the presence of museums, let alone really good ones, is partly dependent on population....I went to my first art museum in Sacramento, CA a couple of years ago (it was awesome! had a couple of great 16th c. paintings--a Breughel (sp?) and a Bronzino, and a nice selection of California landscape paintings that reminded me of earlier Dutch and Venetian stuff...lots of sky). Museums here in Montana pretty much stick to local history and art--interesting, worthy stuff, but not all that old, in the human scheme of things. Sorry for rambling on, so....it's that type of slow, warm Saturday evening. --Sue A F Murphy wrote: > > It does also depend a bit on where you are in the USA. I'm in New York > City, and we aren't all that impressed by 19th century... plenty of that > around! 18th century varies... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 22:29:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16964 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:29:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g742IZE08749; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:18:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g742IYF12109; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:18:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7427WF09594 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:07:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m48.in-tch.com [216.166.191.48]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g741rQ929943 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4C8DC3.426ACBEE@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 20:13:23 -0600 Status: RO What are the dimensions of England, anyways? --Sue, trying to gain some sort of geographical perspective.... Betsy Marshall wrote: > > "In America 100 years is a long time. > In England 100 miles is a long distance." > it's all due to your frame of reference... > Betsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 22:44:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17334 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:44:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g742Y5E09410; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:34:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g742Y4F15842; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g742RDF14046 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OkzsrgfXFgeRBXcxGCfj0ac="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9B8FAH8; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 22:26:42 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings Message-ID: <20020803.192648.-104109.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-10,12-13,15-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:21:48 +0000 Status: RO > The difference between Europeans and Americans is that Europeans > think 100 miles is a long distance, and Americans think 100 years is a long > time. > > (Old joke, but true.) > > Betsy I like that--it's very good. :) We Americans forget that we are a very young country. Too many of us, IMHO. Obligatory costume content, and it's a silly question, but I've always wondered: who invented brassieres and when? Arlys ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 23:17:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18246 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:17:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74375E10803; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:07:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74373F23878; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7432EF22830 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:02:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m32.in-tch.com [216.166.191.32]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g742m8911968 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4C9A90.EF61BC57@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings References: <20020803.192648.-104109.0.Cley@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 21:08:00 -0600 Status: RO I agree we forget too often...or perhaps, just aren't made aware of it. I don't know who invented bras, but I *think* they're 20th c.....but then, that's not my "time." --sue Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > We Americans forget that we are a very young country. Too many of us, > IMHO. > > Obligatory costume content, and it's a silly question, but I've always > wondered: who invented brassieres and when? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 01:40:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24108 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:40:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g745U8E16392; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:30:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g745U5F23263; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:30:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g745ObF22250 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:24:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AB477E60232; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 00:27:35 -0500 Message-ID: <00c501c23b77$29c63dc0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20020803.192648.-104109.0.Cley@juno.com> <3D4C9A90.EF61BC57@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:24:10 -0400 Status: RO Cynthia, My Thames and Hudson fashion dictionary says 1914 and credits Mary Phelps Jacobs as the creator of the bra. But I remember there is a song by Bette Midler about the invention of the bra. It was on one of her concert videos. Anyways, it was funny. Does anyone remember it... if not, I will go dig up the video. I was looking through some very early 1900ish Delineators this morning, and there are several ads for what looked like bras. I can't recall exactly what they were called but I think they were enhancers or supporters. BUT they had two cups. Now that I think of it was 1904 or 1905 Delineators. A couple of years ago, I saw ads for this same style in metal. What caught my eye this morning, was that these were not metal but the same style but fabric. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 02:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26249 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:14:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74644E17489; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 00:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74643F29679; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 00:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g745sDF27817 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A2376820262; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 00:57:11 -0500 Message-ID: <00e401c23b7b$4c1117c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] A Great Deal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:53:45 -0400 Status: RO I came across a great deal that I wanted to share with you all... I still can't believe it. People are always writing me from my website telling me about a valuable antique fashion magazine that they have found in Grandma's attic. a. They are wanting me to purchase it. OR b. They are wanting me to appraise it. A couple of weeks ago a man in Canada wrote me saying that he had a bunch of Delineator magazines and wanted to know if I wanted to purchase them. I asked which issues does he have... I am really looking for 1920-1923 issues. He sent me back a list by year and month of 108 Delineators between the years 1890-1907. He stated that he wanted to sell them as a lot. Well, I know what I pay for them, between $15 to $30 each depending on the issue, and if it is in exception quality a lot more $$$. I didn't answer him back for a few days, because I knew the value of that many issues was way out of my price range. He wrote me back two more times. I finally sent him back an email with a low price, $200, knowing that he would never go for that price. HE DID!!!!! And he charged me $20 for shipping from Canada! Well then I got scared.... $200 for something that I knew was worth so much more. So I asked him if I could send him payment by Paypal because they will guarantee products. He didn't use paypal. I was scared... if I sent a check or money order, it could be cashed too quickly if someone was scamming me. My husband suggested that I send half the payment in a money order via signature mail up front, and upon delivery of the magazines, send the second half of the payment. The seller agreed. Yesterday I received the first box of magazines and today the final box. Each box weighed 45 lbs. each. All 108 issues of the magazine were there!!! They are wonderful!!! Now my collection of Delineators spans from 1880-1925 and is going to make a lot of "Year in Fashions." What a great deal!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:04:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01985 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:04:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g747s4E20495; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g747s3F18752; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g747hoF17200 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804074350.46754.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 08:43:50 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4C8DC3.426ACBEE@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:43:50 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > What are the dimensions of England, anyways? > --Sue, trying to gain some sort of geographical perspective.... Uh, I don't have a clue, but it's small, much smaller than germany where I come from. Ireland rthough is even smaller, took two hours with a bus that stopped at every nook and crammy to cross the island from Dublin to Galway. I just found this really good web page, that gives you a very good idea of things: http://www.studyabroad-cis.com/greatbritain.html actually, I didn't know either quite what the differences are between Great Britian and United Kingdom. Well, I live in England anyway, and as everyone is probably aware of, England is the 'core' and together with Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland it makes Great Britian. Uh, you ppl in the latters, please don't take the word 'core' politically, I just couldn't think of a better word. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01995 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:05:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g747sLE20516; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:54:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g747sKF18820; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g747rFF18631 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804075314.38392.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 08:53:14 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:53:14 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Betsy Marshall wrote: > "In America 100 years is a long time. > In England 100 miles is a long distance." > it's all due to your frame of reference... > Betsy Oh yes, and even 'worse' Australians, I talked to a re-enactment friend and she said they are going drive (!) 1.600 km to visit their parents for a week. WAH! That's from London to Moscow!!! I wouldn't in my life dream of driving to Moscow, and they happily drive 900 km for a weekend out in Sydney or a re-enactment. Holy cow! Nicole - who LOVES wide open unpopulated spaces, but can't get that here, though can in Norway. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:16:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02075 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:16:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74865E21335; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:06:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74864F20854; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g747tcF19018 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804075538.87890.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 08:55:38 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] actual Texan here--OT on Texas flag To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <163.11b699eb.2a7dbd26@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:55:38 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > Many flags were made of silk, and many silk textiles are not aging well. > Most of you are probably aware of many late 19th century, or even 20th > century, silk garments that are shattering. So the decision not to display > this one could be very wise. Also, most collections now try to rotate all > the textiles that are on view, to limit the exposure to light and the stress > of display. > Ann Wass Yes Ann, thanks, I know all that BUT have you ever seen the large collections of shattering silk flags displayed in English museums and of course also those out of commission hanging in churches for centuries until they have turned into dust? Well, of course they have to be returned to a church when they are no longer used by the regiment. *S* I do understand though if you have ONE special flag you don't want it to turn into dust, certainly not. Nicole - with a shattering silk fan which will one day be dust too. *sniffle* ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:17:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02081 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:17:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7486VE21375; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7486VF20963; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:06:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g747vmF19473 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804075747.77127.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 08:57:47 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] actual Texan here--OT on Texas flag To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4C5C69.C218B47@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:57:47 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > Howdy. ;) I never heard anyone say that in 'real life' only in films. :-) > Texas' war of independence from Mexico culminated in victory (for Texas) > in 1836. (Mexico had only won its independence from Spain fifteen years > previously.) It seems likely that this was the war in question. A > synopsis of the six flags of Texas can be seen here: > http://www.lsjunction.com/facts/6flags.htm Thanks Melanie, that was an intersting page, never knew all that, as I said, my knowledge of US history is non-existent but I am always happy to learn bits. I do like the 'Texas under French rule' flag *grins* Now that's a surprise... Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:23:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02404 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:23:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g748DIE21521; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g748DFF22080; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:13:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7480YF19940 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:00:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804080033.70252.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 09:00:33 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: State History Museums To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4C52BF.2070406@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:00:33 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- A F Murphy wrote: > It does also depend a bit on where you are in the USA. I'm in New York > City, and we aren't all that impressed by 19th century... plenty of that > around! 18th century varies... I have to say the absolute BEST 19th century silks, embroideries, metal tassels and laces, linen laces, feathers that I get from ebay are all from America. I think Europe threw it all away being 'old tat' or something, but the treasures that come to light from the US on ebay are just amazing. > And our Museum of the City of New York certainly has many things in it > that were not produced here. They have an extensive collection of 17th > century articles from the Netherlands, which were brought here by > settlers when this area was first colonized as New Amsterdam. These > things were used here, but not made here. Since the city was founded as > a seaport and trading post, and has flourished as such ever since > (though our methods of trade and transportation have changed *G* ), our > history would not be complete without evidence of that trade, which has > always been more important to the city than actual manufacture. (Design, > yes. Manufacture, no...) Absolutely, and it IS in my opinion then of utmost local importance, after all, it was the people who lived there. Now which museums had the two mantuas from Europe... was one Los Angeles? Hmm... Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:28:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02431 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:28:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g748HNE21637; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:17:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g748HNF22741; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:17:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7482sF20338 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:02:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804080253.70313.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 09:02:53 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Battle of San Jacinto was: State History Museums To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <042501c23b36$25507da0$448077d8@wt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:02:53 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Karen Verschoor wrote: > To bring this back to the topic of costuming - this battle is reenacted > every year in (of course) period costume. Photos of this years reneactment > can be found on my web page under 2002 projects. > Karen Verschoor > Houston, TX > http://kverschoor0.tripod.com/home.htm Thankls karen, but talks about museums, history, geography, artefacts, old or new, countries etc. ARE on topic. Why would that be off topic? It is extremely important to know about providence of an object I think, and if it was bought into a museum after the period of the object or if the object in question was used within the period in a given place. I think it makes a huge difference. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:28:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02435 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:28:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g748HTE21649; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:17:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g748HRF22760; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7485mF20787 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:05:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804080548.78051.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 09:05:48 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <042101c23b35$1d37d920$448077d8@wt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:05:48 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Karen Verschoor wrote: > The flag in question was from the Battle of San Jacinto that occurred in > 1836. Battle of San Jacinto? This was the battle where Sam Houston and his fellow "Texians" Sam Houston? > effected their revenge on Santa Anna for the Alamo. Santa Anna? Alamo????? Santa Anna was > literally caught with his pants down as he was being entertained that > afternoon in his tent by a local "mulatto" slave girl nicknamed "The Yellow > Rose". Oh, is this why there's the song 'the yellow rose of texas?' Lovely costume, Karen, I don't like the period at all, but I can tell that you DO like just like a painting, well done! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:50:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02505 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:50:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g748dlE22019; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:39:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g748dkF26279; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g748LdF23430 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:21:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804082138.8640.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 09:21:38 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:21:38 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Glenda, I did quote you right, didn't I, in my last post? The 1600 and 900 km distances. My head is still reeling from that. Anyway, what I meant to ask for a while now, is how many places in the US have those Ren Faires? It seems to me there are some famous and really big ones and also smaller ones? I hear so many references to 'going to 'insert faire name'' on this list, but I am just confused by now. Would love to know, because I love looking at photos from events, all sorts, and that would make searching on Google easier. I also love looking at finished projects, no matter which period. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 06:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02752 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:20:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74A9CE24755; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:09:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74A9BF14180; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:09:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74A42F13259 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE52210F31B for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5866E10F0E9 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013b01c23b9d$f859e3a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020803.192648.-104109.0.Cley@juno.com> <3D4C9A90.EF61BC57@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:01:57 -0400 Status: RO The frustrating this is, I just read an article about this within the last week...and do you think I can remember the name of the woman, or WHERE I read this information? Arrgh!! As for the age of our country--we may be a very young country as yet, but our history is still of value. The teenager is as valuable as a person as the great-grandparent. Doesn't mean I wouldn't love to get to Europe and so some exploring! Dianne > > Obligatory costume content, and it's a silly question, but I've always > > wondered: who invented brassieres and when? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 06:42:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02862 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:42:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74AW3E25225; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74AW3F18193; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74AOmF16960 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:24:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEDB10F348 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1226610F345 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01c801c23ba0$df576cd0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020804082138.8640.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:22:44 -0400 Status: RO There are Ren Faires everywhere now. There are two in Pennsylvania that I know of, and I think (not sure, now) that almost every state has at least one. I used to love the one in Michigan. Unfortunately, my favorite act doesn't play the PA Faire--it conflicts with the Texas Faire, which is much bigger. (sigh.) Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:21 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world > Glenda, I did quote you right, didn't I, in my last post? The 1600 and 900 km > distances. My head is still reeling from that. > > Anyway, what I meant to ask for a while now, is how many places in the US have > those Ren Faires? It seems to me there are some famous and really big ones and > also smaller ones? I hear so many references to 'going to 'insert faire name'' > on this list, but I am just confused by now. Would love to know, because I love > looking at photos from events, all sorts, and that would make searching on > Google easier. I also love looking at finished projects, no matter which > period. > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 06:42:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02867 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:42:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74AWDE25245; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74AWCF18233; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74ARiF17484 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:27:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804102743.22628.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:27:43 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <013b01c23b9d$f859e3a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:27:43 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > > As for the age of our country--we may be a very young country as yet, but > our history is still of value. The teenager is as valuable as a person as > the great-grandparent. Dianne, no one ever said it wasn't of value. So please don't feel it was implied, because I don't think that it was. I'm just not particularly interested, that is a completely different thing and absolutely personal, because I am not interested in anything after the 17th century (well, 1715) and your country just doesn't really have anything of interested until the 17th, other than the original inhabitants before they were decimated. I'm just not interested in Native American, we all have different interests, wouldn't it be terrible if we all had the same??? Oh how boring the world would be without diversity. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 07:16:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02963 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:16:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74B64E26213; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74B63F24238; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:06:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74AubF22525 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-37kbari.dialup.mindspring.com ([207.69.171.114] helo=AlphaB) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bJ3r-0006vG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 06:56:36 -0400 From: "Ann Neff" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world Message-ID: <000001c23ba5$9af90990$72ab45cf@AlphaB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020804082138.8640.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:56:35 -0400 Status: RO The SCRIBE network is a good place to start --it is a huge database of Renaissance Festivals all over the USA and Canada. http://www.faire.net/SCRIBE/ Most of the Renaissance Festivals have their own websites, and there are many customers/patrons who have sites full of pictures. You must remember that every Renaissance Festival exists for the public, so there are theatrical choices made in costuming, characters, etc. Some faires are more historically focused than others: The Maryland Renaissance Festival (MDRF) moves along through Henry VIII's reign a year each calendar year, but my home festival, the Georgia Renaissance Festival (GARF), is more fantasy. At every faire, there will be patrons who are better dressed than the performers, but patrons have more money to put into their clothing, and don't work in their clothes all weekend in 95 degrees F/35 Celsius weather. Ann Neff SCRIBE associate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:22 AM To: H-Costume Subject: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world Anyway, what I meant to ask for a while now, is how many places in the US have those Ren Faires? It seems to me there are some famous and really big ones and also smaller ones? I hear so many references to 'going to 'insert faire name'' on this list, but I am just confused by now. Would love to know, because I love looking at photos from events, all sorts, and that would make searching on Google easier. I also love looking at finished projects, no matter which period. Nicole __ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 07:38:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03115 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:38:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74BS9E26636; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74BS3F27845; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74BILF26280 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:18:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804111820.94412.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:18:20 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000001c23ba5$9af90990$72ab45cf@AlphaB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:18:20 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Thanks Ann! That's a great link, I'll have a blast in the next weeks looking through the sites and pictures. Ohhh, I see now, so the people like most of you here on the list are patrons and not performers? I didn't know there were performers!!! I only heard of the odd costuming guild and thougght that only exists for Bristol faire. I thought it's like a re-enactment, but different. (uhm, yes) Where everyone comes in period costume. Oh I see, patrons are in costume and costumers mostly, performers perform something (I don't have a clue what?) and then there are visitors in their every day clothing? Do the visitors pay to get in? Do costumed patrons pay? So many questions... Nicole --- Ann Neff wrote: > The SCRIBE network is a good place to start --it is a huge database of > Renaissance Festivals all over the USA and Canada. > http://www.faire.net/SCRIBE/ > > Most of the Renaissance Festivals have their own websites, and there are > many customers/patrons who have sites full of pictures. You must > remember that every Renaissance Festival exists for the public, so there > are theatrical choices made in costuming, characters, etc. Some faires > are more historically focused than others: The Maryland Renaissance > Festival (MDRF) moves along through Henry VIII's reign a year each > calendar year, but my home festival, the Georgia Renaissance Festival > (GARF), is more fantasy. At every faire, there will be patrons who are > better dressed than the performers, but patrons have more money to put > into their clothing, and don't work in their clothes all weekend in 95 > degrees F/35 Celsius weather. > > Ann Neff > SCRIBE associate ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 07:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03213 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:56:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Bk0E27042; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74BjxF01037; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:45:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74BcBF29642 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:38:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0B0055269FB9@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 00:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings In-reply-to: <20020803.192648.-104109.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020804002912.00dd09b0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 00:30:57 -0700 Status: RO >Obligatory costume content, and it's a silly question, but I've always >wondered: who invented brassieres and when? The rumor is that Howard Hughes invented the come-shaped modern bra for Jane Russell, but bra-like things existed back into the 1920s when corsets got short. Look up that corset website - they'll know, and I bet they'll have a picture of it too. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 08:12:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03282 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:12:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74C2DE27371; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:02:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74C2CF03605; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74C0oF03342 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:00:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-37kbari.dialup.mindspring.com ([207.69.171.114] helo=AlphaB) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bK3z-0007w9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 08:00:48 -0400 From: "Ann Neff" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world Message-ID: <000001c23bae$916a8260$72ab45cf@AlphaB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020804111820.94412.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:00:44 -0400 Status: RO >From what I've read on this list, some are cast members of faires (Bristol is one of the more accurate faires), and the others are patrons. Actually, *customers* are not listed in the SCRIBE -- you must be a participant in some form, but that covers a wide range of involvement. There are musicians, jugglers, sword comedy acts, birds of prey shows, etc, who perform, cast members who portray historic figures (or not historic!), and vendors. I work for a vendor, so I am a "boothie." A faire is supposedly a small village, and the boothowners are the shop keepers/food vendors. There are wide variations between faires - the California faires are very different from most of the rest of the country. Most customers are t-shirt and jeans once-a-season visitor, but those who come often and in costume are called patrons (or playtrons). They have no costuming guidelines and can wear whatever they please, so you can stand in one place and looking around, see a party dressed in exquisite reproduction of Elizabeth I paintings, Klingons (StarTrek) in kilts, and chain mail bikinis (I kid you not). To avoid brain bleed from all the anomalies, I think of our faire as being a nexus, a little crossroad in time, where we're all just trying to make a living. :-) http://www.renfair.com/ is the home page for four of the best faires - two in California, as well as Bristol (near Chicago) and New York (state, not city). Ann -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:18 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world Thanks Ann! That's a great link, I'll have a blast in the next weeks looking through the sites and pictures. Ohhh, I see now, so the people like most of you here on the list are patrons and not performers? I didn't know there were performers!!! I only heard of the odd costuming guild and thougght that only exists for Bristol faire. I thought it's like a re-enactment, but different. (uhm, yes) Where everyone comes in period costume. Oh I see, patrons are in costume and costumers mostly, performers perform something (I don't have a clue what?) and then there are visitors in their every day clothing? Do the visitors pay to get in? Do costumed patrons pay? So many questions... Nicole --- Ann Neff wrote: > The SCRIBE network is a good place to start --it is a huge database of > Renaissance Festivals all over the USA and Canada. > http://www.faire.net/SCRIBE/ > > Most of the Renaissance Festivals have their own websites, and there > are many customers/patrons who have sites full of pictures. You must > remember that every Renaissance Festival exists for the public, so > there are theatrical choices made in costuming, characters, etc. Some > faires are more historically focused than others: The Maryland > Renaissance Festival (MDRF) moves along through Henry VIII's reign a > year each calendar year, but my home festival, the Georgia Renaissance > Festival (GARF), is more fantasy. At every faire, there will be > patrons who are better dressed than the performers, but patrons have > more money to put into their clothing, and don't work in their clothes > all weekend in 95 degrees F/35 Celsius weather. > > Ann Neff > SCRIBE associate ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 09:19:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03503 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:19:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74D9CE29126; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:09:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74D9BF15237; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:09:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.180]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g749ocF06762 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 03:50:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1878.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.23.86] helo=oemcomputer) by imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bI1z-00007F-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 10:50:35 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C23BA7.096B4F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:06:52 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C23BA7.096B4F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Morning all, Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? 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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C23BA7.096B4F40-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 09:20:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03512 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74D9QE29148; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:09:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74D9PF15282; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:09:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74AH6F15717 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:17:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-3444.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.45.116] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bIRc-0007YX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:17:04 +0100 Message-ID: <001601c23ba2$5ca122c0$561786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <000f01c23af0$2b5a5ea0$6501a8c0@Home> <000b01c23afe$e9729520$c41886d9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:32:48 +0100 Status: RO Hello Jean I come across a couple of illustrations, although I don't think they're on-line. I think fc's were worn under the coif. The Ter Borch shows the fc coming down quite low but I've seen others that only just peep out. Here's the references:- Franits, W E "Paragons of Virtue, Women and Domesticity in C17th Dutch Art" p 79. "Seamstress by a Cradle" by Gerard ter Borch Buck, A "Clothes and the Child", p189, Mary & Edward Southcote, 1662, at Ingatestone Hall, Essex Garland, M "The Changing Face of Childhood", p109, "Child with Dog" Dutch School, Bearsted Collection Sorry I can't help with more illustrations at the moment, I'm frantically trying to finish a bodice for my baby and she's teething ! Help! Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: Sent: 03 August 2002 21:52 Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century Are there portraits of people wearing them? Did they go over the coif or under? I've just recently been investigating religious headcovering, and having had it pointed out to me, noticing that many women wearing hijab wear a small cap or tied headscarf underneath, which comes down to the forehead, and the large headscarf sits further back on the head. Do forehead cloths work in a similar way? Jean Waddie Helen Edmunds wrote >Saragrace > >It's not a silly question :-) >Yep you're right, the forehead cloth is the triangular-shaped item. My >understanding, is that it was worn in conjunction with a coif (well, in my >period) and on the head with the flat edge to the front. Sometimes, you >can see a faint glimpse of these in the various images of babies in the >17th C. A friend and I were having just such a discussion yesterday about >how far over the forehead the fc came! We're not really sure, either! >Looking at pictorial evidence, it appears that they didn't protrude too much. > I've not been too much help, have I? > >Regards >Helen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Saragrace knauf > To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: 03 August 2002 14:17 > Subject: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] > Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > > Hi Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly question. I > have seen these forehead cloths for years, but always lying flat (to > display embellishment usually). I have always wondered how they > were worn. I may have seen them on someone and not known what I > was looking at. I conjectured in my own mind that they might have > been worn in conjunction with an attifet or coif since you often see > them together. Assuming we are talking about the same thing-a > triangular piece of fabric-,was the pointy end worn to the back of the > head (like a kerchief) or did it dangle over the forehead-(hence the > name?) Thanks in ad vance, > > > Saragrace > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-admin@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Helen Partner >> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31 AM >> To: h-costume@net.indra.com >> Subject: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > >> Hello everyone, >> >> May I quickly introduce myself as a new subscriber? I'm a UK 17th >> Century re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about creating >> clothing that's as near to being an accurate a facsimile as possible. >> I've got two children (one 8 and one 5 months) and so my life is >> always busy! >> >> I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries? Does >> anyone know whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor >> and outdoor use, both children as well as babies (babies I know >> about) and pervaded all levels of the social strata? I know it's asking >> a lot, but any help is appreciated. >> >> Thanks -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 09:46:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03646 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:46:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74DaHE00175; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:36:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74DaFF20092; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:36:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74DVtF19304 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AD7D135016C; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 08:34:53 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c23bbb$3f3423e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020804002912.00dd09b0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:31:32 -0400 Status: RO I have images in 1922 & 23 catalogs of bras in all shapes and sizes. Lots of them! I get a good giggle from them. They will all go up on the "Year in Fashion" for our Costume Society Grant. Kayta, I am so excited! We get our optical scanner in two weeks! No more typing all the articles out! Thank you so much for the suggestion to get one! That will be around the same time as the two Balls.... I might be bubbling all over! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 10:24:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03815 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:24:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74EDmE01337; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:13:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74EDiF26984; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:13:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74DpgF22778 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:51:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804135142.66277.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 14:51:42 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:51:42 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Helen Partner wrote: > Morning all, > > Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? > > Regards > Helen Hi Helen, yes I will be going. As far as I know Teddy, Mel, Jean and Kate are going too. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 10:59:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04034 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:59:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74En1E02409; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74En0F03504; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sys27.hou.wt.net (sys27.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.27]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Ea6F01303 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:36:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kverscho (216-119-128-142.ipset8.wt.net [216.119.128.142]) by sys27.hou.wt.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA91799 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:34:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003701c23bc4$62ae15c0$8e8077d8@wt.net> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: <20020804080548.78051.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:36:55 -0500 Status: RO > Battle of San Jacinto? > Sam Houston? > Santa Anna? > Alamo????? > > Nicole Santa Anna was a Napolean-like character in Mexico. As a successful military figure, he was elected to the Mexican presidency in 1833, but soon declared himself dictator. Texas was then part of Mexico and was settled by "Anglos" from the northeast and Mexicans from the south. Relations with the Mexican government and the Texas colonists went from bad to worse when Santa Anna came to power. The Alamo was an old Spanish mission located in the center of modern downtown San Antonio, TX. In early 1836, 189 Texian revolutionaries took refuge in the Alamo. Some famous characters include James Bowie (of Bowie knife fame), David Crockett and William Travis. They defended the mission for 13 days against Santa Anna and his large army. The Mexican army was successful on March 6, 1836 and all of the Texian soldiers were killed. Sam Houston was a key politcal figure in Texas at the time. He lead the Texas revolutionaries against the Mexican army with the famous line "Remember the Alamo." San Jacinto is the name of a river near modern Houston, TX. The Texas revolutionaries (750) defeated Santa Anna and the Mexican army (1500) in a battle that occurred near the San Jacinto River and the Buffalo Bayou east of modern Houston, TX on April 21, 1836. Texas became an independent country and did not become part of the United States until Dec, 1845. Probably more information than you needed or wanted! Karen Verschoor Houston, TX _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 11:04:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04063 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:04:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74ErNE02526; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74ErNF04356; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:53:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74EgGF02320 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust244.tnt3.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.239.203.244] helo=hppav) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bMaE-00089L-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 10:42:14 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c23bc5$96d78ce0$f4cbef41@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] pattern age id Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:45:32 -0500 Status: RO Um, could you put them up on a web page so we could all have a peak?? Thanks, Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 11:19:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08144 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:19:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74F94E03026; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74F94F07239; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Ev4F05135 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a239.in-tch.com [66.62.107.39]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g74EgU901978 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:42:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4D4200.CDCB6499@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <20020804075314.38392.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Relative distances and a new topic.... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 09:02:24 -0600 Status: RO I think, too, that how far people in the US travel, depends a lot on where they are. The county I grew up in, in Montana, is larger than the entire *state* of Rhode Island, for instance. I'm in the SCA, and I know of areas where it's really thickly populated, and people won't drive more than an hour or two to get to something, but then, they don't really have to. Where I am, it's really not uncommon to drive several hundred miles to get to something, yes, just for the weekend. Our next-nearest large groups in the same "kingdom" are 9 hours, 8 hours, and 5 hours away, and they're all over a couple of good passes, so add a few hours for winter travel. Nicole, how did you first get interested in historical reenactment, in the first place? Did you study history in college? I think that's what got me thoroughly hooked, although, unlike you, I've never been able to *settle* on a time period I'm primarily focused on. I just seem to like it all, although with the exception of topics like 19th c. immigration and ethnic/class stuff in the US, I'm pretty solidly anchored in pre-19 c. Britain/Ireland/Scotland. And I imagine that if I lived back east (a relative term--most of the US is "back east" for me, but I mean the East Coast, here), I'd probably be more into American Colonial stuff (the clothing's fun, as are the differences between colonial arts/crafts and European ones!). As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into clothing/costuming/historical stuff? I'm not a fashion fiend, by any definition , so in my case, the historical costuming's a combination of my loves of history and textiles..... --Sue, who needs to win the lottery so she can be a perpetual student, instead of this "making a living" nonsense....;-) N Kipar wrote: > > --- Betsy Marshall wrote: > "In America 100 > years is a long time. > > In England 100 miles is a long distance." > > it's all due to your frame of reference... > > Betsy > > Oh yes, and even 'worse' Australians, I talked to a re-enactment friend and she > said they are going drive (!) 1.600 km to visit their parents for a week. WAH! > That's from London to Moscow!!! I wouldn't in my life dream of driving to > Moscow, and they happily drive 900 km for a weekend out in Sydney or a > re-enactment. Holy cow! > > Nicole - who LOVES wide open unpopulated spaces, but can't get that here, > though can in Norway. > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 12:00:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08363 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:00:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Fo2E04506; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Fo0F15266; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74FcFF12973 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OpkbJIJzp58PEAQu6hbJADk="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9DMPKPL; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:37:40 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings Message-ID: <20020804.083721.-104109.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5,10-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:53:10 +0000 Status: RO Diane writes: > As for the age of our country--we may be a very young country as > yet, but our history is still of value. The teenager is as valuable as a > person as the great-grandparent. Of course (and, btw, I'm an American too). One of the things I find fascinating about this country is its constant striving to be progressive while just as constantly striving for tradition. The latter is something many of us envy about the Old World, and perhaps explains why so many of us are re-enactors, recreationists, and history buffs! Re: costume content. Let me know if you remember. Thanks! Arlys ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 12:20:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08626 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:20:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74GA7E05253; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:10:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GA5F19224; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74G4vF18137 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:04:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-64.152.168.188.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([64.152.168.188] helo=earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bNsG-0002So-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 09:04:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4D50B8.8010907@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] actual Texan here--OT on Texas flag References: <20020804075747.77127.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:05:12 -0400 Status: RO LOL! Don't worry, Nicole, that's the one many Americans don't remember, either! We get to five, and then start "Um... I said Spain... um..." French rule was pretty short lived. In answer to an earlier comment, we have 50 states. And all the areas have different histories. We all know the essentials that came with starting a nation, and have a general idea of the rest, but most of us don't (can't, really) know all the detail about the history of every area. The entire idea of The United States was a recognition that the original 13 colonies had different histories, somewhat different cultures (already!) , and different priorities. At the same time, more keeps us together than apart, always... So, yes, even clothing can be different in different parts of the country. Partly weather, but largely culture... to use some extremes, I , as a New Yorker, dress differently than the average lady from the South. Lots of black, (No, that's not just a joke) very few pastels, more tailored, less ruffled... You can spot tourists in midtown, because they are wearing shorts. We wear them in our neighborhoods, or if we are going to a park, but not in midtown! OTOH, I made the mistake some years ago of wearing a black sundress to a county fair upstate... I looked so out of place! Anne N Kipar wrote: > > > >Thanks Melanie, that was an intersting page, never knew all that, as I said, my >knowledge of US history is non-existent but I am always happy to learn bits. I >do like the 'Texas under French rule' flag *grins* Now that's a surprise... > >Nicole > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 12:46:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09267 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:46:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Ga2E06162; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Ga1F24336; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f99.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GLFF21268 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:21:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:21:09 -0700 Received: from 65.67.60.170 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 16:21:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.67.60.170] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2002 16:21:09.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1590830:01C23BD2] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 16:21:09 +0000 Status: RO I also had some problems with that concept - even though I've never been off the continent, I have been to New Orleans, which was founded by the French in the VERY late 1600's, and became a US posession in early 1800's. The part of the US I was born and raised in is over 1100 miles away, and really has no seperate history from the US - Ohio became a State in 1802 - the country wasn't even 30 years old then. The flag being called "very old" almost made me laugh out loud, and did cause some snarky comments between me and my in-laws, who had driven down from Dallas, TX for a one day visit - that's a 3+ hour drive. :) Mary/Katerine >Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? >Oh >my.... I am trying to get my head around this way of thinking, but I just >had >my seamstress cut up and put back together over 100 year old lace to make >the >ruffles for my chemise for the mantua, and it seems like using something >modern. I have pieces of 17th century lace that admittedly I would not >consider >cutting up, but instead I use them whole or for display, and have a late >18th >century fan, that admittedly I wouldn't use, due to it's delicate condition >(painted silk). >This is really fascinating, completely different ways of thinking and >values. >200 year old things are considered to be quite modern and just vintage >here, at >least amongst the historians and curators that I know. >Fascinating! >Thanks Mary, I'm flabbergasted. > >Nicole > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: marquis@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 12:50:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09377 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:50:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74GeFE06354; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:40:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GeEF25209; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GRFF22564 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:27:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g74GRE618071 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004e01c23bd4$12a05c40$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: <20020804075314.38392.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <3D4D4200.CDCB6499@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Relative distances and a new topic.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:29:08 -0400 Status: RO Greetings-- > As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into > clothing/costuming/historical stuff? I'm not a fashion fiend, by any > definition , so in my case, the historical costuming's a combination > of my loves of history and textiles..... I'm a history geek (PhD in it) and a craft junkie. I've been doing embroidery since I was seven or eight, and I learned to sew around the seventh or eighth grade. So I suspect my reasons are similar to yours... I think what really got me into history--particularly the earlier stuff-- as a kid was a two or three-week "Shakespeare in the schools" program when I was in the sixth grade--basically, we studied everything about the period, and then did excerpts from the plays in costume (the woman who ran the program brought the costumes). I was hooked. We started making trips to the Stratford Festival (in Ontario) just before I entered the 10th grade, and went every year for about seven or eight years after that. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 12:51:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09385 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:51:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74GeLE06372; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GeKF25254; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:40:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GRiF22650 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:27:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-64.152.168.188.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([64.152.168.188] helo=earthlink.net) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bOEJ-0007eg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 09:27:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4D560F.10805@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: References: <20020804074350.46754.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:27:59 -0400 Status: RO LOL! Now that, I can tell you... Actually, as things are currently, it has varied a bit, Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales. If you add Northern Ireland, you have the United Kingdom. The UK began in 1603, when Elizabeth I died, and her heir was the King of Scotland. James the I of England, the VI of Scotland. He united the 2 nations, got an Act of Parliament, and ruled them together. England already ruled Wales, but I don't remember when that was officially added, or Ireland. Most of Ireland gained independence in the early 20th century, in a series of steps from Free State to nation, but the Six Counties voted to remain part of the UK. Sorry, I'm hazy on details and dates, 25 years since I studied this stuff... I'm sure some of our UK list members can add to this! Only people from England are English. People from Scotland are Scots, people from Wales are Welsh, but they are all British. People from Northern Ireland are from the UK, and subjects of the Queen, but they are not British. Anne N Kipar wrote: > >actually, I didn't know either quite what the differences are between Great >Britian and United Kingdom. Well, I live in England anyway, and as everyone is >probably aware of, England is the 'core' and together with Wales, Scotland and >Northern Ireland it makes Great Britian. Uh, you ppl in the latters, please >don't take the word 'core' politically, I just couldn't think of a better word. > >Nicole > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 12:51:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09389 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:51:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74GeSE06392; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GeNF25277; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from broadviewnet.net (unix4.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74GTVF23024 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:29:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 10984 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2002 16:29:29 -0000 Received: from s13.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.63) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2002 16:29:29 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020804122538.00ac0dc0@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200208041534.g74FYoF12184@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1420022==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] How I got involved Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:32:21 -0400 Status: RO --=====================_1420022==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 09:34 AM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote: >As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into >clothing/costuming/historical stuff? Well, I've always loved the historical clothing, as far back as I can=20 remember, and I come from a long line of seamstresses, tho Mom doesn't sew= =20 much anymore. I got to work at the Sterling NY Renn Faire when I was 17 (I= =20 think.. it's been a few years, lol!) and loved all the costumes and=20 clothing and some of it blew me away. The costume they issued me, however,= =20 didn't fit (and I was a size 16 at the time!!) so I got fed up, had a=20 friend of mine draft me a pattern, and I sewed myself a new outfit for when= =20 I went back to the Faire as a playtron. I've been sewing and playing ever= =20 since. My heart is in Elizabethan, however, I've done a cotehardie (and=20 found it comfy, if not the easiest thing to sew... I even filked the=20 experience...) and Italian Renn, and I've been eyeing panniers and pocket=20 hoops with consideration for years now. 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Well, I've always loved the historical clothing, as far back as I can remember, and I come from a long line of seamstresses, tho Mom doesn't sew much anymore.  I got to work at the Sterling NY Renn Faire when I was 17 (I think.. it's been a few years, lol!) and loved all the costumes and clothing and some of it blew me away.  The costume they issued me, however, didn't fit (and I was a size 16 at the time!!) so I got fed up, had a friend of mine draft me a pattern, and I sewed myself a new outfit for when I went back to the Faire as a playtron.  I've been sewing and playing ever since.  My heart is in  Elizabethan, however, I've done a cotehardie (and found it comfy, if not the easiest thing to sew... I even filked the experience...) and Italian Renn, and I've been eyeing panniers and pocket hoops with  consideration for years now.  And Himself is into American Civil War, so there's something ELSE for me to research and play with (why oh why does he want me to do his uniform???  And where do I find the wool??  Agh!!)

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--=====================_1420022==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:06:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09786 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:06:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Gu5E07053; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:56:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Gu4F28233; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GaoF24520 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bON6-000GWh-0W; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:36:48 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action References: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:22:51 +0100 Status: RO Oh yes, yes, yes! I will be with the Normans, Nicole is L'Age d'Or, Kate Bunting will be in the house playing music and Teddy is going with Paladins of Chivalry. Anyone else? Jean Helen Partner wrote >Morning all, >  >Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? >  >Regards >Helen -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:16:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10030 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:16:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74H5jE07423; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:05:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74H5iF00140; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:05:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GaoF24519 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bON6-000GWh-0W; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:36:48 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action References: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:22:51 +0100 Status: RO Oh yes, yes, yes! I will be with the Normans, Nicole is L'Age d'Or, Kate Bunting will be in the house playing music and Teddy is going with Paladins of Chivalry. Anyone else? Jean Helen Partner wrote >Morning all, >  >Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? >  >Regards >Helen -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:24:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10239 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:24:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74HE7E07748; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HE6F01755; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:14:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f188.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.188]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74H1ZF29259 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:01:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:01:30 -0700 Received: from 65.65.98.112 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:01:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.65.98.112] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2002 17:01:30.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[94417E10:01C23BD8] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:01:30 +0000 Status: RO Actually, some people from England aren't English - they're British. I met a man from up near the Scottish/English border not far from Yorkshire who told me about the first time he was called English here in the States. He thought they were referring to someone else, because, as he said "I'm not English, I'm British. I have no Saxon blood". York was part of England pre 1603, but he claimed his ethnicity from further back than England! Mary/Katerine >Only people from England are English. People from Scotland are Scots, >people from Wales are Welsh, but they are all British. People from >Northern Ireland are from the UK, and subjects of the Queen, but they >are not British. > >Anne _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:31:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10413 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:31:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74HKvE08063; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HKuF03348; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:20:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f26.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.26]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74H6LF00308 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:06:16 -0700 Received: from 65.65.98.112 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:06:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.65.98.112] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: How I got hooked (was:Re: [h-cost] Re: Relative distances and a new topic...). Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2002 17:06:16.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EA26F90:01C23BD9] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:06:16 +0000 Status: RO I'm like you - history and textiles led to a natural progression to historic clothing. That, in turn, has led me to pay more attention to modern fashion - I find myself noticing cut, drape or flow on modern clothes and then find myself trying to figure out how it's done. :) Mary/Katerine (who also dreams of Independent Wealth) >As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into >clothing/costuming/historical stuff? I'm not a fashion fiend, by any >definition , so in my case, the historical costuming's a combination >of my loves of history and textiles..... >--Sue, who needs to win the lottery so she can be a perpetual student, >instead of this "making a living" nonsense....;-) > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:40:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10653 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:40:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74HU7E08424; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HU5F05311; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:30:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74HM7F03578 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804172207.63659.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:22:07 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:22:07 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Mary Temple wrote: > > they were referring to someone else, because, as he said "I'm not English, > I'm British. I have no Saxon blood". York was part of England pre 1603, but > he claimed his ethnicity from further back than England! *laughs* I'm sorry mary, but being an Anglo-Saxonist (and linguist) by trade I have to say he let out big BS. Even if he claimed his ancestry back to the Viking raids and later settlements, which would be quite plausible (IF he can trace his lineage back which is more than dubious) and even if he goes back to the Angles, Jutes, or whatever you might want to have, it all ends up in the same germanic pool, just where the saxons came from too. I have to say though, I agree with him, be careful, never call someone from outside actually England to be 'English' they usually get quite stroppy, and I would too! If anyone called me Austrian, I'd get stroppy because I'm German, and vice versa. Anne was right, from wales is welsh, from scotland is scottish, from england is english, from northern ireland is... well I shall not say because I personally think Irish, but hey, too much political stuff in the baggage. Funny though that there's a National Museum of Wales, one of Scotland, but none of England! Hmmm... I'm a foreigner wherever I am, and I muse. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:51:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10928 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:51:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74HexE08846; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HewF07713; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GheF25879 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:43:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a217.in-tch.com [66.62.107.17]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g74GTY920411 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:29:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4D5B1A.8E4F3F6@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world References: <20020804082138.8640.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 10:49:30 -0600 Status: RO I've never actually been to one of the full-blown, large "RenFaires," since I don't exactly live near a city with a large enough population base or tourist draw to support one. But there are a bunch, I know that. And, from what I understand, there's a whole subculture to them, just as there is for the SCA (of which I'm a member), or the numerous other reenactment groups, or the folks who do science-fiction conventions.... There are also a lot of art/craft fairs here that tend to *style* themselves as "RenFaires" or "Renaissance Fairs." At these, you get all kinds of local artists selling lord-knows-what...some of it's fun, some of it's completely tacky, and it has nothing to do with the renaissance at all . Our ethnic mix here is pretty strongly caucasian with some Native American, but we do have a small, strong community of Hmong and Vietnamese people, and the Hmong, in particular, show up at these local arts fairs with some interesting examples of their native arts. The "fairs" that pop up around here also have local food vendors, someone doing face painting for the kids, different entertainers, etc. Do you have equivalents to these in England, Nicole? --Sue, wondering if all the rain we're getting today is a prelude to what I can expect when I'm overseas at the end of the month?? N Kipar wrote: > > Anyway, what I meant to ask for a while now, is how many places in the US have > those Ren Faires? It seems to me there are some famous and really big ones and > also smaller ones? I hear so many references to 'going to 'insert faire name'' > on this list, but I am just confused by now. Would love to know, because I love > looking at photos from events, all sorts, and that would make searching on > Google easier. I also love looking at finished projects, no matter which > period. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:52:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10960 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:52:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Hg1E08897; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Hg0F07919; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74HRAF04747 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804172710.13397.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:27:10 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4D560F.10805@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:27:10 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- A F Murphy wrote: > LOL! Now that, I can tell you... > > Actually, as things are currently, it has varied a bit, Great Britain is > England, Scotland and Wales. If you add Northern Ireland, you have the > United Kingdom. > > The UK began in 1603, when Elizabeth I died, and her heir was the King > of Scotland. James the I of England, the VI of Scotland. He united the 2 > nations, got an Act of Parliament, and ruled them together. England > already ruled Wales, but I don't remember when that was officially > added, or Ireland. Most of Ireland gained independence in the early 20th > century, in a series of steps from Free State to nation, but the Six > Counties voted to remain part of the UK. Sorry, I'm hazy on details and > dates, 25 years since I studied this stuff... I'm sure some of our UK > list members can add to this! > > Only people from England are English. People from Scotland are Scots, > people from Wales are Welsh, but they are all British. People from > Northern Ireland are from the UK, and subjects of the Queen, but they > are not British. > > Anne Thanks so much Anne, I am actually saving this email for reference! *laughs* Ha, and then of course you ahve the... COMMMONWEALTH! That includes biiiig countries like Canada (yep, they voted to keep our queen :-) and Australia and New Zealand and lots n lots n lots of teeny 9sometimes obscure *S*) small countries and islands. I know, coz I just watched 10 days of wonderful Commonwealth games from manchester, the opening ceremony was just wonderful. Lots of traditional clothes from the Pacific islands (uhm, was that the pacific? yes?) and the New Zealand men! WHOOHOO! *thinks she has to move to Kiwi land* Well, whatever it is GB or UK, I am sure to be one thing here, a *quote* BLOODY FOREIGNER! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11058 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:56:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74HkCE09081; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:46:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HkBF08854; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:46:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74HUTF05418 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804173028.81214.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:30:28 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: How I got hooked (was:Re: [h-cost] Re: Relative distances and a new topic...). To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:30:28 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I honestly don't know, I have always been like this, no kidding. My mum keeps telling me (embarrassing childhood stories abound) that when I was 2.5 or so I watched a kiddies fairy tales theatre thingy and the Prince was dressed in pseudo-medieval and I could just talk and was shouting at the top of my lungs in child-speech 'I could kiss you! i could kiss you!' *groans* That must have been the moment I decided I'd go into historical re-enactment. Honestly, I always dressed mundanely in historical pseudo-costumes (almost always male) at school and uni, somehow taking the step into re-enactment when i realised this actually existed, was the most logical thing to do. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:57:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11080 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:57:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74HkME09099; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:46:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HkLF08906; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:46:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HWOF05867 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:32:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13963 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:33:42 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020804122538.00ac0dc0@mail.broadviewnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:33:42 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Victoria Wickens wrote: > At 09:34 AM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote: > I've done a cotehardie (and > found it comfy, if not the easiest thing to sew... I even filked the > experience...) Well, that kind of statement can't be left alone. Lyrics? Tune? Inquiring minds want to know! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:57:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11087 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:57:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74HkRE09113; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:46:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HkQF08945; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:46:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74HWsF05978 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804173254.43222.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:32:54 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <003701c23bc4$62ae15c0$8e8077d8@wt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:32:54 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Karen Verschoor > Santa Anna was a Napolean-like character in Mexico. *big snippage* > > Probably more information than you needed or wanted! No no, thanks so much, that was great! History in a nutshell, I save this email too. Oh, and costume content: my my, didn't the guy playing santa Anna in your photos look yummy in his Mexican embroidered uniform. :-)))))) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 14:28:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11878 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:28:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74II6E10334; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:18:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74II3F15946; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:18:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74IAUF14376 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:10:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 24177 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2002 18:07:37 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082048.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.82.48) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2002 18:07:37 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020804130918.009eb010@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/sound.net@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Great Deal In-Reply-To: <00e401c23b7b$4c1117c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:10:53 -0500 Status: RO Penny, Wow! This must be your reward for giving the world such a great web site! Sheryl Nance-Durst At 01:53 AM 8/4/02 -0400, you wrote: >I came across a great deal that I wanted to share with you all... I still >can't believe it. People are always writing me from my website telling me >about a valuable antique fashion magazine that they have found in Grandma's >attic. >a. They are wanting me to purchase it. >OR >b. They are wanting me to appraise it. > >A couple of weeks ago a man in Canada wrote me saying that he had a bunch of >Delineator magazines and wanted to know if I wanted to purchase them. I >asked which issues does he have... I am really looking for 1920-1923 issues. >He sent me back a list by year and month of 108 Delineators between the >years 1890-1907. He stated that he wanted to sell them as a lot. Well, I >know what I pay for them, between $15 to $30 each depending on the issue, >and if it is in exception quality a lot more $$$. I didn't answer him back >for a few days, because I knew the value of that many issues was way out of >my price range. He wrote me back two more times. I finally sent him back >an email with a low price, $200, knowing that he would never go for that >price. HE DID!!!!! And he charged me $20 for shipping from Canada! > >Well then I got scared.... $200 for something that I knew was worth so much >more. So I asked him if I could send him payment by Paypal because they >will guarantee products. He didn't use paypal. I was scared... if I sent a >check or money order, it could be cashed too quickly if someone was scamming >me. My husband suggested that I send half the payment in a money order via >signature mail up front, and upon delivery of the magazines, send the second >half of the payment. The seller agreed. > >Yesterday I received the first box of magazines and today the final box. >Each box weighed 45 lbs. each. All 108 issues of the magazine were there!!! >They are wonderful!!! > >Now my collection of Delineators spans from 1880-1925 and is going to make a >lot of "Year in Fashions." What a great deal!!! > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 14:55:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12525 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:55:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74IiqE11358; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74IipF21914; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:44:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HdHF07320 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bPLV-0006fZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:39:13 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 209.165.120.128 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Subject: [h-cost] Re: How I got hooked Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:39:13 -0400 Status: RO >As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into >clothing/costuming/historical stuff? Short answer: Renaissance Pleasure Faire North, Novato, CA. Sunday, October 6, 1990, around lunchtime. I was 12 and didn't want to go. Mom insisted. I went sulkingly the whole way to the front gate and then my jaw just dropped. And the rest, as they say, is living history. ;) Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com "Absence of evidence, isn't necessarily evidence of absence." -Carl Sagan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 14:55:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12535 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:55:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Ij4E11381; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Ij3F21978; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74IW3F19209 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-76.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.76]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g74IW22199036 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:32:02 -0400 Message-ID: <010101c23be5$3c409450$4c2daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020804122538.00ac0dc0@mail.broadviewnet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FE_01C23BAA.8F7B5960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:32:05 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01C23BAA.8F7B5960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 09:34 AM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote: As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into clothing/costuming/historical stuff?=20 I began this wonderful journey with the overwhelming desire to own a = 1920s beaded gown. All those sparklies, that swish and sway of = refracted light... I finally made my first 20s gown in the mid 1980s. = I've made three or four more heavily beaded gowns since, along with a = few dozen less embellished ones. I also branched out into Italian Renn = for faire and somewhere along the line I took up theatrical costuming. = (pics of most everything at www.cabbagerosecostumes.com) When I think about it, I think the clothes "then" are just more = interesting than clothing "now." In the theater I'm forced to jump from = period to period. I am fanatical about the look of a show being correct = (for instance, use of obviously 80s prom gowns in a 1930s show will = drive me over the edge, there might even be blood)... but other than = that, not really an authenticity seeker, per se. A good cheat to effect = the correct appearance is fine on the wicked stage.=20 I guess for me it's more about beauty (of the clothes), history and = just being a girly girl. Even at this age, ha! Every time someone asks = this question, I wonder just exactly how I did get from there, to here. = I'm not sure the journey was as important as the result. I am here, and = I love it. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes=20 http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Let me take you a buttonhole lower." Love's Labours Lost, V, ii - W. Shakespeare ------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01C23BAA.8F7B5960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
At 09:34 AM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote:
As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get=20 into
clothing/costuming/historical stuff? 
 
I began this wonderful journey with = the=20 overwhelming desire to own a 1920s beaded gown.  All those = sparklies,=20 that swish and sway of refracted light... I finally made my first = 20s gown=20 in the mid 1980s.  I've made three or four more = heavily=20 beaded gowns since, along with a few dozen less embellished = ones.  I=20 also branched out into Italian Renn for faire and somewhere = along the=20 line I took up theatrical costuming.  (pics of most = everything at=20 www.cabbagerosecostumes.com)
 
When I think about it, I think the = clothes=20 "then" are just more interesting than clothing "now."  In the = theater=20 I'm forced to jump from period to period. I am fanatical about = the look=20 of a show being correct (for instance, use of obviously 80s = prom gowns=20 in a 1930s show will drive me over the edge, there might = even be=20 blood)... but other than that, not really an authenticity seeker, = per=20 se.  A good cheat to effect the correct appearance is = fine on the=20 wicked stage. 
 
I guess for me it's more about = beauty (of the=20 clothes), history and just being a girly girl.  Even at this = age,=20 ha!  Every time someone asks = this=20 question, I wonder just exactly how I did get from there, to = here.  I'm=20 not sure the journey was as important as the result. I am here, and = I love=20 it.
 
angela
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Angela F. = Lazear
Cabbage Rose=20 Costumes
http://www.cabbagerosecostume= s.com
Theatrical=20 Costume Design
"Let me take you a buttonhole lower."
Love's = Labours=20 Lost, V, ii - W. Shakespeare
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01C23BAA.8F7B5960-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 14:59:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12624 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:59:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74InGE11586; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:49:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74InFF22882; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:49:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74IeVF20991 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:40:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25626 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2002 18:37:39 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082048.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.82.48) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2002 18:37:38 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020804131753.00a01280@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/sound.net@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world In-Reply-To: <20020804111820.94412.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000001c23ba5$9af90990$72ab45cf@AlphaB> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:40:55 -0500 Status: RO Nicole, At 12:18 PM 8/4/02 +0100, you wrote: >Ohhh, I see now, so the people like most of you >here on the list are patrons and not performers? Some of us work at the faires, some just pay to get in and play. I work at one of the bigger faires - Kansas City. I know a couple other people that work at KC are on this list. But even before I worked there, I went in costume and played. >I didn't know there were >performers!!! I only heard of the odd costuming guild and thougght that only >exists for Bristol faire. I thought it's like a re-enactment, but different. >(uhm, yes) Where everyone comes in period costume. Oh I see, patrons are in >costume and costumers mostly, performers perform something >(I don't have a clue >what?) Okay...I'll describe to you what the Kansas City faire is like. The site is a partially wooded area spanning 15 acres. The setup is supposed to be a small village so there are store booths and food booths all around. (Kansas City has permanent wooden buildings. Some other faires have temporary booths.) There are also several game booths where patrons can throw axes, shoot arrows, etc. Then there are stages where musicians, jugglers, actors and other various entertainers perform every half-hour. Wandering through the streets are "street characters" - people employed by the faire to interact with customers and add "color". The king and queen and the various court members wander around interacting with the customers and performing pre-scripted scenes every hour or so. So people who are employed by the faire can be entertainers (stage or street or court) or boothies (people who help man the booths) or front gate (people who take the tickets and direct the customers). All of these people wear costumes. There are others behind the scenes such as security and coordinators who are not required to wear costumes. In regards to the costumes - all employees furnish their own costumes. They have to be approved by the costume mavens. Our faire is more of a theatrical presentation, so we are not held to strict historical accuracy. But the costume mavens try to keep us under control. (Right, Catherine?) ;-) An interesting note that many people don't know is that many of the employees - street characters and the like - are not paid. We get fed and we get in free. However, most of us would be paying lots of money to get in as customers if we didn't work there. Plus, as an employee the craft booths give us a 10 percent discount. Sometimes I think of it as a kind of addiction. After suffering through days of 95 degree heat (about 35 C, I think) and then days of rain and then some days with a high temperature of 40 degrees where cloaks and gloves are necessary, I swear I will never go back. Then in the spring I start looking forward to it again! >and then there are visitors in their every day clothing? Do the visitors >pay to get in? Do costumed patrons pay? Customers pay to get in. They can choose to come in costume or not. At our faire, they can wear whatever they want as long as it is decent (no nudity) and they don't have any weapons (no daggers, swords, etc.). At our faire, the customers can pay for a 1-day pass, a 2-day pass or a season pass that gets them in for all 7 weekends. >So many questions... > >Nicole Hope this explains it a little better! Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 14:59:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12634 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:59:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74InME11603; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74InKF22910; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:49:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74IWwF19362 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-76.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.76]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g74IWv2227162 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:32:57 -0400 Message-ID: <010c01c23be5$5cf38d10$4c2daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <00e401c23b7b$4c1117c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Great Deal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:33:00 -0700 Status: RO Penny, That does rock! I think perhaps the costume gods / goddesses were looking out for you on that one. It was time for karma to roll back around. angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:53 PM Subject: [h-cost] A Great Deal > I came across a great deal that I wanted to share with you all... I still > can't believe it. People are always writing me from my website telling me > about a valuable antique fashion magazine that they have found in Grandma's > attic. > a. They are wanting me to purchase it. > OR > b. They are wanting me to appraise it. > > A couple of weeks ago a man in Canada wrote me saying that he had a bunch of > Delineator magazines and wanted to know if I wanted to purchase them. I > asked which issues does he have... I am really looking for 1920-1923 issues. > He sent me back a list by year and month of 108 Delineators between the > years 1890-1907. He stated that he wanted to sell them as a lot. Well, I > know what I pay for them, between $15 to $30 each depending on the issue, > and if it is in exception quality a lot more $$$. I didn't answer him back > for a few days, because I knew the value of that many issues was way out of > my price range. He wrote me back two more times. I finally sent him back > an email with a low price, $200, knowing that he would never go for that > price. HE DID!!!!! And he charged me $20 for shipping from Canada! > > Well then I got scared.... $200 for something that I knew was worth so much > more. So I asked him if I could send him payment by Paypal because they > will guarantee products. He didn't use paypal. I was scared... if I sent a > check or money order, it could be cashed too quickly if someone was scamming > me. My husband suggested that I send half the payment in a money order via > signature mail up front, and upon delivery of the magazines, send the second > half of the payment. The seller agreed. > > Yesterday I received the first box of magazines and today the final box. > Each box weighed 45 lbs. each. All 108 issues of the magazine were there!!! > They are wonderful!!! > > Now my collection of Delineators spans from 1880-1925 and is going to make a > lot of "Year in Fashions." What a great deal!!! > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 15:06:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12780 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:06:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Iu6E11882; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:56:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Iu5F24356; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74IXaF19525 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:33:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m149.in-tch.com [216.166.191.149]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g74IJU912255 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4D74DB.B7954861@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:39:23 -0600 Status: RO Gack! Now all I've got in my head are muddled lyrics like: Alas, my love, you do me wrong, to dress me thus discourteously, For I have told you all along, it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...." Thanks *so* much, both of you! ;-P --Sue Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Victoria Wickens wrote: > > > At 09:34 AM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote: > > I've done a cotehardie (and > > found it comfy, if not the easiest thing to sew... I even filked the > > experience...) > > Well, that kind of statement can't be left alone. > > Lyrics? Tune? Inquiring minds want to know! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 15:06:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12784 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:06:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74IuFE11901; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74IuEF24416; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:56:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74IhTF21620 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:43:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25745 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2002 18:40:36 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082048.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.82.48) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2002 18:40:36 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020804134148.009eb150@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/sound.net@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Relative distances and a new topic.... In-Reply-To: <3D4D4200.CDCB6499@in-tch.com> References: <20020804075314.38392.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:43:53 -0500 Status: RO At 09:02 AM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote: >As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into >clothing/costuming/historical stuff? I'm not a fashion fiend, by any >definition , so in my case, the historical costuming's a combination >of my loves of history and textiles..... >--Sue, who needs to win the lottery so she can be a perpetual student, >instead of this "making a living" nonsense....;-) Well Sue, I started as a child with dressing up Barbie dolls and designing my own paper dolls with outrageous costumes. I used to draw dresses and costumes for fun. Then I learned to sew and went to my first Renaissance festival. It was all downhill from there! Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 15:26:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12931 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:26:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74JFqE12659; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:15:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JFoF28527; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:15:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HohF09877 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:50:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrwbc70 ([204.127.198.53]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020804175038.BDHX19356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc70> for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:50:38 +0000 Received: from [65.102.142.42] by rwcrwbc70; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:50:37 +0000 From: Gia_Gavino@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Great Deal X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 29 2002) Message-Id: <20020804175038.BDHX19356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc70> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:50:37 +0000 Status: RO Oh, Penny! Congratulations on such a *Wonderful* score!!! I can *hardly* WAIT to see what you do with them!!!! Giacinta (even though it's not my period I'm crazy/addicted to all historical costuming enough to be intrigued) > I came across a great deal that I wanted to share with you all... I still > can't believe it. People are always writing me from my website telling me > about a valuable antique fashion magazine that they have found in Grandma's > attic. > a. They are wanting me to purchase it. > OR > b. They are wanting me to appraise it. > > A couple of weeks ago a man in Canada wrote me saying that he had a bunch of > Delineator magazines and wanted to know if I wanted to purchase them. I > asked which issues does he have... I am really looking for 1920-1923 issues. > He sent me back a list by year and month of 108 Delineators between the > years 1890-1907. He stated that he wanted to sell them as a lot. Well, I > know what I pay for them, between $15 to $30 each depending on the issue, > and if it is in exception quality a lot more $$$. I didn't answer him back > for a few days, because I knew the value of that many issues was way out of > my price range. He wrote me back two more times. I finally sent him back > an email with a low price, $200, knowing that he would never go for that > price. HE DID!!!!! And he charged me $20 for shipping from Canada! > > Well then I got scared.... $200 for something that I knew was worth so much > more. So I asked him if I could send him payment by Paypal because they > will guarantee products. He didn't use paypal. I was scared... if I sent a > check or money order, it could be cashed too quickly if someone was scamming > me. My husband suggested that I send half the payment in a money order via > signature mail up front, and upon delivery of the magazines, send the second > half of the payment. The seller agreed. > > Yesterday I received the first box of magazines and today the final box. > Each box weighed 45 lbs. each. All 108 issues of the magazine were there!!! > They are wonderful!!! > > Now my collection of Delineators spans from 1880-1925 and is going to make a > lot of "Year in Fashions." What a great deal!!! > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 15:31:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12965 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:31:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74JLDE12861; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JL5F29791; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JGNF28672 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0C00LQM2V9AS@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings In-reply-to: <20020804.083721.-104109.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020804113245.00c5ece0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:34:39 -0700 Status: RO >Of course (and, btw, I'm an American too). One of the things I find >fascinating about this country is its constant striving to be progressive >while just as constantly striving for tradition. The latter is something >many of us envy about the Old World, and perhaps explains why so many of >us are re-enactors, recreationists, and history buffs! I've heard rumors that the Germans are big into the American Wild West (and into 1950s American 'modern' furniture). I've also heard that the Japanese are big into Scottish anything. Both of these involve 'historical' costumes, I am told. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 15:32:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12970 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:31:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74JLQE12876; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JLPF29892; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:21:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JGNF28678 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0C00LQM2V9AS@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:16:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved In-reply-to: <5.0.2.1.0.20020804122538.00ac0dc0@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020804113742.00e05cd0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200208041534.g74FYoF12184@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:43:44 -0700 Status: RO >>As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into >>clothing/costuming/historical stuff? My mother knew I liked dressing up in costumes when I was little (what Americans call dressing up, not what dressing up means in the UK), and she got me Davenport's history of costume book, still my favourite. This led to better Halloween costumes, to the SCA, to historical re-enactment and living history, to Ren. Faire and Dickens' Fair, and to science fiction convention costuming. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 15:48:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13029 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:48:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74JbME13463; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:37:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JbLF03512; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:37:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JJeF29423 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:19:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B626110EFDE for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 24A3410F3B5 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00e401c23beb$9739dbe0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020804075314.38392.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <3D4D4200.CDCB6499@in-tch.com> <004e01c23bd4$12a05c40$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Relative distances and a new topic.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:17:35 -0400 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: > > As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into > > clothing/costuming/historical stuff? I'm not a fashion fiend, by any > > definition , so in my case, the historical costuming's a combination > > of my loves of history and textiles..... Many, many things--a love of history, reading, and sewing--how else can you combine all three? My 9th grade English teacher adored me--when we went as a class to see A Midsummer Night's Dream, I *got* the humor, and when we read Macbeth, I understood what was going on! A dear friend introduced me to the Michigan Ren Faire in 1994, and I've been hooked ever since. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 16:15:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13228 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:15:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74K53E14587; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74K51F09830; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.wt.net (sys31.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JqAF06671 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kverscho (216-119-128-115.ipset8.wt.net [216.119.128.115]) by smtp.wt.net (8.12.3/8.12.2) with SMTP id g74JoTe4018830 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:50:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c23bf0$4fe82940$738077d8@wt.net> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: <20020804173254.43222.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:51:21 -0500 Status: RO > Oh, and costume content: my my, didn't the guy playing santa Anna in your > photos look yummy in his Mexican embroidered uniform. > :-)))))) > > Nicole > He was even "yummier" in real life. And apparently so was the real Santa Anna in his day. He was quite the ladies man. Although the 19th century take on the story of "the Yellow Rose" was that she sacrificed her honor for the good of Texas, modern day historians now see her as quite smitten with his charm, looks, uniform, etc etc and that she was more than a willing partner. Karen Verschoor Houston, TX _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 16:30:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13340 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:30:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74KK3E15244; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74KK1F13247; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JVYF02267 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8531C10F02C for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E9C610F00D for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <019a01c23bed$414bf4a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <3D4D74DB.B7954861@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Greensleeves filk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:29:30 -0400 Status: RO Oh, fie upon you! Now it's stuck in MY head!! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved > Gack! Now all I've got in my head are muddled lyrics like: > Alas, my love, you do me wrong, > to dress me thus discourteously, > For I have told you all along, > it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...." > > Thanks *so* much, both of you! ;-P > --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 16:46:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13413 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:46:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74KZsE15930; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:35:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74KZnF17040; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:35:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74JeGF04134 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:40:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804194016.53655.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 20:40:16 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020804113245.00c5ece0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:40:16 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I've heard rumors that the Germans are big into the American Wild West (and > into 1950s American 'modern' furniture). I'm German, but I don't have a clue! Have never ever heard of that, so I don't know if it is just a wild rumour or true. Funny though that in the UK there seem to be more American Civil war re-enactors than English Civil war re-enactors. *LOL* Ahh, but maybe one has to count all the Commonwealth ones, apparently there are quite a few English Civil war re-enactors in Australia and New Zealand? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C23BDD.47699C30-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 17:55:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13796 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:55:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74LiiE19078; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74LifF03477; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (smtp.netins.net [167.142.225.202]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74LbsF02027 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:37:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [167.142.12.66] (HELO hppav) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 122667053 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 16:37:53 -0500 Message-ID: <021c01c23bfe$a96b2ae0$420c8ea7@hppav> From: "Land of Oz" To: References: <003701c23bc5$96d78ce0$f4cbef41@hppav> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern age id MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:34:06 -0500 Status: RO > Um, could you put them up on a web page so we could all have a peak?? > > Thanks, > > Genie I am not able to put up on a web page, but I did list it on ebay, which you may see here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2128236152 I had intended to make some dresses for my daughter from these patterns, but she grew MUCH too fast. :-) Thanks for everyone's help Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 18:17:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13947 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:17:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74M6qE19924; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:06:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74M6pF08185; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:06:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74LrGF05434 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:53:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m129.in-tch.com [216.166.191.129]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g74Ld9923131 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:39:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4DA398.1C5F8D12@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Greensleeves filk References: <3D4D74DB.B7954861@in-tch.com> <019a01c23bed$414bf4a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 15:58:48 -0600 Status: RO Aaaaah.....the relief is complete! I've passed it on, and I'm *free*! --sue Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > Oh, fie upon you! Now it's stuck in MY head!! > > Dianne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved > > > Gack! Now all I've got in my head are muddled lyrics like: > > Alas, my love, you do me wrong, > > to dress me thus discourteously, > > For I have told you all along, > > it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...." > > > > Thanks *so* much, both of you! ;-P > > --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 19:13:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14313 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:13:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74N3TE22362; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74N3LF20885; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:03:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74MuCF19005 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:56:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bUIF-000NjS-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 23:56:11 +0100 Message-ID: <9$KxUMEkCbT9Iw4q@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: References: <3D4D560F.10805@earthlink.net> <20020804172710.13397.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020804172710.13397.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:54:28 +0100 Status: RO N Kipar wrote > --- A F Murphy wrote: > LOL! Now that, I can tell >you... >> >> Actually, as things are currently, it has varied a bit, Great Britain is >> England, Scotland and Wales. If you add Northern Ireland, you have the >> United Kingdom. >> >> The UK began in 1603, when Elizabeth I died, and her heir was the King >> of Scotland. James the I of England, the VI of Scotland. He united the 2 >> nations, got an Act of Parliament, and ruled them together. England >> already ruled Wales, but I don't remember when that was officially >> added, or Ireland. Most of Ireland gained independence in the early 20th >> century, in a series of steps from Free State to nation, but the Six >> Counties voted to remain part of the UK. Sorry, I'm hazy on details and >> dates, 25 years since I studied this stuff... I'm sure some of our UK >> list members can add to this! >> I'm not sure how officially Wales ever was integrated (anyone Welsh here?) Hang on, my book here says "by the Statute of Wales of 1284 (under Edward I) the area was transferred to the King's dominion". But it was long before modern forms of government and parliament were thought of, so the King just decided, and England and Wales developed as one. Scotland already had a pretty good parliament by 1603, and by 1707, when the parliaments were actually combined by the Act of Union, they had a total legal system and other institutions distinct, including the church, and these carried on through. (Yes, just to confuse you all, Scotland has a separate legal system from England, and things that are legal in one are not in the other, and vice versa!) What is most interesting is how people's identification of themselves changes. In the late 19th century, in the high age of the Empire, people thought of themselves as British, they talked of "North Britain". I don't know if it has fluctuated through this century, but now they have polls that show over the past 10-20 years, more and more people think of themselves as Scottish (or English, or Welsh) first, then British. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 19:30:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14421 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:30:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74NJQE22945; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:19:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74NJOF24351; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74NE5F23176 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m170.in-tch.com [216.166.191.170]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g74Mxw908621 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:59:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4DB698.5C7EDD02@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Sorta OT pattern give-away Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:19:52 -0600 Status: RO Hi, gang. I've been doing some more cleaning, and I've got 3 Folkwear patterns, never used, that I'd like to give to some good homes. I inherited them several years ago, when a friend dumped a bunch of stuff at my house, and never came back (and won't be back). They're nifty ethnic patterns, but probably not something I'll ever have the time to create, even if I *could* fit within their size range..... The three patterns are: Afghani Nomad Dress Syrian Dress Algerian Suit (has variations for both men and women) If you're interested in acquiring one of them, please send me an email (privately), telling me which one. Next Sunday (Aug. 11th), I'll draw the names of the winners, and contact them to arrange mailing, which I'll pay for. --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 19:45:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14497 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:45:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74NZAE23523; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:35:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74NZ8F27468; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out005.verizon.net (out005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74EdgF01927 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:39:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out005 ([192.168.129.130]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020804143937.UTST16779.out005.verizon.net@out005> for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:39:37 -0500 From: To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020804143937.UTST16779.out005.verizon.net@out005> Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re:Difference s (was Authenticity of Lucets) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 9:39:37 -0500 Status: RO > > Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? Oh > my.... I am trying to get my head around this way of thinking, but I just had > my seamstress cut up and put back together over 100 year old lace to make the > ruffles for my chemise for the mantua, and it seems like using something > modern. I have pieces of 17th century lace that admittedly I would not consider > cutting up, but instead I use them whole or for display, and have a late 18th > century fan, that admittedly I wouldn't use, due to it's delicate condition > (painted silk). > This is really fascinating, completely different ways of thinking and values. > 200 year old things are considered to be quite modern and just vintage here, at > least amongst the historians and curators that I know. > Fascinating! > Thanks Mary, I'm flabbergasted. > > Nicole The difference between Americans and Englishmen, Is that an American considers 200 years a long time, an Englishmen considers 200 miles a long way. Cheers, Ron _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 19:45:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14504 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:45:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74NZNE23541; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74NZMF27517; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out005.verizon.net (out005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74EwgF05408 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:58:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out005 ([192.168.129.130]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020804145837.UWGA16779.out005.verizon.net@out005> for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:58:37 -0500 From: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020804145837.UWGA16779.out005.verizon.net@out005> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 9:58:37 -0500 Status: RO > > From: N Kipar > Date: 2002/08/04 Sun AM 05:27:43 CDT > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings > > because I am not interested in anything after the 17th century (well, 1715) and > your country just doesn't really have anything of nterested until the 17th, > other than the original inhabitants before they were decimated. Actually, I think the 16th century history of North America is VERY interesting, and far more complicated than most imagine. Most of that is Spanish, but there are a number of forays into the area by the British, as well as a temporary colony in Baffin bay and the failed colony at Roanoke. Of course the 17th century history of British North America is very important to Britain herself, and affects the motherland in many ways. The mass migrations, the amazing rate that North America is being colonized. The effects of piracy on international trade. Look how fast New World items become popular, not to mention naval might built with North American naval stores. Cheers, Ron _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 19:57:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14646 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:57:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Nl2E24005; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Nl0F29994; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from broadviewnet.net (ols.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74NWSF26945 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:32:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 3948 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2002 23:32:26 -0000 Received: from s2.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.52) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2002 23:32:26 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020804191830.00ac64a0@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200208041953.g74Jr6F06848@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_26795811==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Filking Cotehardies Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 19:35:11 -0400 Status: RO --=====================_26795811==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:53 PM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote: >Gack! Now all I've got in my head are muddled lyrics like: >Alas, my love, you do me wrong, >to dress me thus discourteously, >For I have told you all along, >it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...." > >Thanks *so* much, both of you! ;-P LOL, Right tune, wrong lyrics (tho those aren't bad!!). My first cote/gown was rust and green parti-colored... got stuck with all this linen from a client backing out of wench garb *sigh*. Never made one of these gowns before and so I was flying basically blind.. it's a very simple gown to do once you get fitted properly, but "simple" scares the heck out of me (give me a full 'Bethan or anything with multitudinous fiddly little pieces and I'm perfect). If anyone wants to see the gown, I'll find somewhere to upload the pics. Until then, I got so frustrated at the bloody thing that I filked it midway through making it, and once I filked it, the stupid thing went together. Robin, I'm going to send you the pics for your site, since I used your instructions (many times referring back to them) Tell me what I did wrong/right/what needs to be changed etc, but until then, here's "Green Sleeve": Alas, my gown, you do me wrong to fit me so improperly for I have sewn you oh, so long, delighting in the look on me Green Sleeve was my worst blight Green Sleeve my stumbling block Green Sleeve put up a fight Oh damned be this blasted Green Sleeve! I pinned and pinned and pinned some more the rust sleeve went in perfectly I threw the damned thing on the floor I've worked it until I can't see! Green Sleeve defied the pins Green Sleeve my worst headache Green Sleeve would not go in Oh why do I need the Green Sleeve? I thought to do the hem instead to give my poor wee mind a break I used up yards and yards of thread and sewed until my fingers ached Green Sleeve you hurt my head Green Sleeve you bloody thing Green Sleeve, I finally said "I'll wear it without the Green Sleeve!" At last! Success! I got it in! I triumphed o'er adversity! I used up every bloody pin That's done it, no more gowns for me! Green Sleeve I got you sewn Green Sleeve plague me no more Green Sleeve finished my gown I'm done with that cursed Green Sleeve!!! If anyone wants to record this, have fun.. I just ask for a copy of the finished music and author's credits. Vik, who filks entirely too much sometimes Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://www.castlecloset.cc Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations/ --=====================_26795811==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 01:53 PM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote:
Gack! Now all I've got in my head are muddled lyrics like:
Alas, my love, you do me wrong,
to dress me thus discourteously,
For I have told you all along,
it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...."

Thanks *so* much, both of you! ;-P


LOL, Right tune, wrong lyrics (tho those aren't bad!!).  My first cote/gown was rust and green parti-colored... got stuck with all this linen from a client backing out of wench garb *sigh*.  Never made one of these gowns before and so I was flying basically blind.. it's a very simple gown to do once you get fitted properly, but "simple" scares the heck out of me (give me a full 'Bethan or anything with multitudinous fiddly little pieces and I'm perfect).  If anyone wants to see the gown, I'll find somewhere to upload the pics.  Until then, I got so frustrated at the bloody thing that I filked it midway through making it, and once I filked it, the stupid thing went together.  Robin, I'm going to send you the pics for your site, since I used your instructions (many times referring back to them)  Tell me what I did wrong/right/what needs to be changed etc, but until then, here's "Green Sleeve":

Alas, my gown, you do me wrong
to fit me so improperly
for I have sewn you oh, so long,
delighting in the look on me

Green Sleeve was my worst blight
Green Sleeve my stumbling block
Green Sleeve put up a fight
Oh damned be this blasted Green Sleeve!

I pinned and pinned and pinned some more
the rust sleeve went in perfectly
I threw the damned thing on the floor
I've worked it until I can't see!

Green Sleeve defied the pins
Green Sleeve my worst headache
Green Sleeve would not go in
Oh why do I need the Green Sleeve?

I thought to do the hem instead
to give my poor wee mind a break
I used up yards and yards of thread
and sewed until my fingers ached

Green Sleeve you hurt my head
Green Sleeve you bloody thing
Green Sleeve, I finally said
"I'll wear it without the Green Sleeve!"

At last! Success! I got it in!
I triumphed o'er adversity!
I used up every bloody pin
That's done it, no more gowns for me!

Green Sleeve I got you sewn
Green Sleeve plague me no more
Green Sleeve finished my gown
I'm done with that cursed Green Sleeve!!!

If anyone wants to record this, have fun.. I just ask for a copy of the finished music and author's credits.

Vik, who filks entirely too much sometimes

Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://www.castlecloset.cc
Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations/

--=====================_26795811==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 20:42:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14945 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:42:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g750VkE26171; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:31:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g750VgF10064; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75072F04220 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020805000657.HQJP23732.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 00:06:57 +0000 Message-ID: <002d01c23c13$fcab38c0$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <003701c23bc5$96d78ce0$f4cbef41@hppav> <021c01c23bfe$a96b2ae0$420c8ea7@hppav> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern age id MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:06:45 -0700 Status: RO Well, looking at my copy of _Blueprints of Fashion_, which is on the 1940's (there's also a volume on the 1950's which I don't have), I'd date the first (with the two boys and one girl) as 1947, and the second (three girls) as 1951-56. On the first, the pattern envelope design dates from 1947-56, and the pattern number 2022 fits in the range used in 1947. The second pattern envelope design fits the same date range, with $0.35 price patterns introduced in 1951. I can't see the pattern number on this one, and my book only gives pattern numbers for the 1940's, so I can't date it any more conclusively. - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:02:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15055 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:02:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g750pwE26989; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g750puF14512; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:51:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74G9aF19125 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:09:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-2413.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.41.109] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bNwk-0002ae-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:09:34 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c23bd3$9dfdf640$6d2986d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <20020804135142.66277.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:23:28 +0100 Status: RO Hello All Anyone fancy meeting up at KH? We're (daughters and myself) not "performing" but will probably get "in kit" (weather and baby-permitting) for some of the time, so our time is our own. Our group is finished by 1pm. Any takers? Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: 04 August 2002 14:51 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action > --- Helen Partner wrote: > Morning all, > > > > Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? > > > > Regards > > Helen > > > Hi Helen, yes I will be going. As far as I know Teddy, Mel, Jean and Kate are > going too. > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:03:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15062 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:03:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g750r2E27043; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g750r0F14773; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail020.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail020.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g750cEF11374 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from qwerty.optusnet.com.au (c16828.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [211.28.151.194]) by mail020.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g750c8Q11504 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:38:08 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020805101937.02743b80@210.49.20.169> X-Sender: koidgath@210.49.20.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020804113742.00e05cd0@mail.frys.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020804122538.00ac0dc0@mail.broadviewnet.net> <200208041534.g74FYoF12184@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:31:24 +1000 Status: RO At 11:43 AM 8/4/02 -0700, you wrote: >>>As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into >>>clothing/costuming/historical stuff? I blame it on my teenage years. I lived in Kent, England for a while, mainly through secondary school. In second year we studied the end of the War of the Roses through to Elizabeth I. Our history teacher came up with fun projects including "researching" Elizabethan makeup and a trip to Deal castle where we dress up in tudor peasant dress (including a coif) and did dances (which I have later seen in period dance books). That plus wandering around Kent watching the various reenactment groups when they did public demos got me very interested plus the fact I love archeology and old languages. I still read a lot of history and archeology books. We moved back to Australia by my father's decree and now I'm doing a science degree (my parents choice) which while I can do, it my hearts not really in it and people keeping telling me I should transfer to arts and do history and archeology. I have a UK passport so hopefully one day I'll move back. Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:33:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15200 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:33:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g751MsE28248; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:22:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751MqF21059; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:22:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HfUF07832 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:41:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1995.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.39.203] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bPNg-0005Ce-00; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:41:29 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c23be0$75a73280$cb2786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: Cc: References: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:57:53 +0100 Status: RO Is anyone else bringing children? Or am I the only mad one! Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: Cc: Sent: 04 August 2002 17:22 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action Oh yes, yes, yes! I will be with the Normans, Nicole is L'Age d'Or, Kate Bunting will be in the house playing music and Teddy is going with Paladins of Chivalry. Anyone else? Jean Helen Partner wrote >Morning all, > >Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? > >Regards >Helen -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:33:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15205 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:33:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g751N9E28262; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:23:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751N8F21124; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HfWF07851 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1995.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.39.203] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bPNg-0005Ce-00; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:41:29 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c23be0$75a73280$cb2786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: Cc: References: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:57:53 +0100 Status: RO Is anyone else bringing children? Or am I the only mad one! Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: Cc: Sent: 04 August 2002 17:22 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action Oh yes, yes, yes! I will be with the Normans, Nicole is L'Age d'Or, Kate Bunting will be in the house playing music and Teddy is going with Paladins of Chivalry. Anyone else? Jean Helen Partner wrote >Morning all, > >Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? > >Regards >Helen -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:33:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15210 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:33:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g751NIE28282; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:23:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751NGF21161; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HmXF09463 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:48:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1995.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.39.203] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bPUV-0006I3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:48:32 +0100 Message-ID: <002101c23be1$71cdfa80$cb2786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <20020804172207.63659.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:04:56 +0100 Status: RO Nicole "Funny though that there's a National Museum of Wales, one of Scotland, but none > of England!" Ahh, but there *is* an English Heritage! As well as CADW (the Welsh Version) etc Regards H ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: 04 August 2002 18:22 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: > --- Mary Temple wrote: > > > > they were referring to someone else, because, as he said "I'm not English, > > I'm British. I have no Saxon blood". York was part of England pre 1603, but > > he claimed his ethnicity from further back than England! > > *laughs* I'm sorry mary, but being an Anglo-Saxonist (and linguist) by trade I > have to say he let out big BS. Even if he claimed his ancestry back to the > Viking raids and later settlements, which would be quite plausible (IF he can > trace his lineage back which is more than dubious) and even if he goes back to > the Angles, Jutes, or whatever you might want to have, it all ends up in the > same germanic pool, just where the saxons came from too. > I have to say though, I agree with him, be careful, never call someone from > outside actually England to be 'English' they usually get quite stroppy, and I > would too! If anyone called me Austrian, I'd get stroppy because I'm German, > and vice versa. Anne was right, from wales is welsh, from scotland is scottish, > from england is english, from northern ireland is... well I shall not say > because I personally think Irish, but hey, too much political stuff in the > baggage. > Funny though that there's a National Museum of Wales, one of Scotland, but none > of England! > > Hmmm... I'm a foreigner wherever I am, and I muse. > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15214 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:34:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g751NbE28335; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:23:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751NZF21268; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:23:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g750H6F06866 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805001644.XPSQ22139.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 00:16:44 +0000 Message-ID: <3D4DC3E4.1050606@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Costuming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Website links Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:16:36 -0700 Status: RO Greetings to one and all, I have been working on my webpage (I design and create beaded jewelry). I would like to add some the best webpage links that have to do with medieval and Ren costuming. Please feel free to share with me your favorites. Thanks! Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:34:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15218 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:34:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g751O1E28396; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751O0F21401; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751D8F18906 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A1D772E0254; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 20:16:07 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01c23c1d$34750e80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <00e401c23b7b$4c1117c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <010c01c23be5$5cf38d10$4c2daf40@angelap3a8d978> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Great Deal X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:12:44 -0400 Status: RO Thanks Angela! I wish I had time to look through all of the right now. I am working on my 1920s ball gown. The ball is two weeks from tomorrow. After two mock-ups, I am moving on to the *real* thing. The pattern fits like a glove now. What I have seen scanning through the magazines, is great. It is wonderful to see a whole year at a time and see the fads and the evolution of the fashions. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:38:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15240 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:38:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g751SEE28581; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751SCF22401; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751JWF20377 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16705 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:20:54 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets In-Reply-To: <000401c23bf0$4fe82940$738077d8@wt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:20:53 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Karen Verschoor wrote: > He was even "yummier" in real life. And apparently so was the real > Santa Anna in his day. He was quite the ladies man. Although the > 19th century take on the story of "the Yellow Rose" was that she > sacrificed her honor for the good of Texas, modern day historians now > see her as quite smitten with his charm, looks, uniform, etc etc and > that she was more than a willing partner. Wasn't it on this list a few months ago that we had a discussion of the term "yellow rose" and possible connection to clothing references regarding prostitutes? It was during that discussion someone noted that the famous Yellow Rose of Texas who distracted Santa Anna was most likely mythical. I heard exactly the same thing on an NPR radio interview a few weeks ago. The speaker was one of a team that had been researching the history of women spies, and said that they had tried very hard to find some support for the story of Yellow Rose and Santa Anna, but there's not a shred of evidence, apparently. But it's a good story, with a lot of urban legend archetypes (powerful man brought down by lust, lowly female who saves her people, etc.) so little wonder it has caught on and endured. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 22:05:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15393 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:05:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g751sgE29792; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751seF28474; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751RVF22162 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:27:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A5377B001EE; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 20:30:31 -0500 Message-ID: <00d201c23c1f$377eba20$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20020804175038.BDHX19356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc70> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Great Deal X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:27:08 -0400 Status: RO Thank you Gia! We have the 1920s Costume Society grant project to work on first. That will be massive undertaking. We are in the scanning process now. Then we are doing a 1920s Designers' Index. We have a grant proposal out for that one now. THEN we will get to the other years. Gosh, I wish we had funding to hire more people to work on these projects. But Susan and I are learning so much as we move through these projects. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 22:20:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15463 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:20:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g752A6E00528; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g752A3F01949; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:10:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751uHF28872 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:56:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.60.23dc1358 (4539) for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:56:08 -0400 (EDT) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: <60.23dc1358.2a7f3538@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:56:08 EDT Status: RO Hi all -- One of the best resources for finding locations of Renaissance Faires in the U.S. is the listings in Renaissance Magazine. You can see their website: www.renaissancemagazine.com. I live in the Los Angeles area and the origins of what is now known as "Renaissance Faires" began here in Agoura in the 1960s. It later transferred to Glen Helen Regional Park in Devore (San Bernadino) in 1989 and this summer we celebrated 40 years of Maytime faire! I have been working there for the past 13 years as a sign language interpreter for the stage shows. California, because of the reasonably good weather, is able to have Ren Faires from March to November. November - February is usually taken up with various Dickens Victorian Faires. I have a Fyne Hats By Felicity booth at some of the smaller California faires, but with my catalog (previously) and now my website I have been sending hats coast to coast. Anyway I digress..... Renaissance Faires are all over the US and Canada. In Europe it is more medieval faires and in England they mostly concentrate on their English Civil War Period, some medieval and very little (almost none) renaissance. I hope this helps to answer your query Nicole. :) Anon, Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 22:24:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15480 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:24:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g752ESE00695; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:14:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g752EQF02897; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out017.verizon.net (out017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.94]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75207F29715 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.135.96]) by out017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020805020001.NCBJ17610.out017.verizon.net@default> for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:00:01 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020805015822.00732e68@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 21:58:22 -0400 Status: RO At 08:20 PM 8/4/02 -0500, you wrote: >Wasn't it on this list a few months ago that we had a discussion of the >term "yellow rose" and possible connection to clothing references >regarding prostitutes? It was during that discussion someone noted that >the famous Yellow Rose of Texas who distracted Santa Anna was most likely >mythical. I heard exactly the same thing on an NPR radio interview a few >weeks ago. The speaker was one of a team that had been researching the >history of women spies, and said that they had tried very hard to find >some support for the story of Yellow Rose and Santa Anna, but there's not >a shred of evidence, apparently. But it's a good story, with a lot of >urban legend archetypes (powerful man brought down by lust, lowly female >who saves her people, etc.) so little wonder it has caught on and endured. > >--Robin > Curious, my understanding was that a "Yellow Rose" was a mulatto woman. That might be supported by the original song lyrics references to "darkies" later balderdash typically to soldier. Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 22:32:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15529 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:32:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g752LeE01100; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:21:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g752LcF04624; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:21:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.wt.net (sys31.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751ugF28949 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:56:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kverscho (216-119-139-53.ipset19.wt.net [216.119.139.53]) by smtp.wt.net (8.12.3/8.12.2) with SMTP id g751uLe4032340 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:56:22 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01c23c23$6dffd580$738077d8@wt.net> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:57:16 -0500 Status: RO She has a real name: Emily Morgan. If she is mythical, she is a well documented myth: http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/WW/fwe41.html http://www.nwwin.com/morganspoint.tx/rose.htm http://www.markw.com/yelrose.htm http://www.texancultures.utsa.edu/publications/yellowrose/yellowrose.htm http://alamo-de-parras.welkin.org/archives/yellowrose/yelrose.html It appears the myth is that she purposely distracted Santa Anna for the good of the revolution. Current historians now see her as oblivious to the cause and one of many of Santa Anna's diversions. Karen Verschoor Houston, TX > Wasn't it on this list a few months ago that we had a discussion of the > term "yellow rose" and possible connection to clothing references > regarding prostitutes? It was during that discussion someone noted that > the famous Yellow Rose of Texas who distracted Santa Anna was most likely > mythical. I heard exactly the same thing on an NPR radio interview a few > weeks ago. The speaker was one of a team that had been researching the > history of women spies, and said that they had tried very hard to find > some support for the story of Yellow Rose and Santa Anna, but there's not > a shred of evidence, apparently. But it's a good story, with a lot of > urban legend archetypes (powerful man brought down by lust, lowly female > who saves her people, etc.) so little wonder it has caught on and endured. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 22:52:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15593 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:52:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g752g3E02142; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g752g1F09974; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g752Q4F05896 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:26:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.143] (as3-4-157.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.143]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g752Q3D22336 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9$KxUMEkCbT9Iw4q@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> References: <3D4D560F.10805@earthlink.net> <20020804172710.13397.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> <9$KxUMEkCbT9Iw4q@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:54:36 -0700 Status: RO At 11:54 PM +0100 8/4/02, Jean Waddie wrote: >I'm not sure how officially Wales ever was integrated (anyone Welsh >here?) Hang on, my book here says "by the Statute of Wales of 1284 >(under Edward I) the area was transferred to the King's dominion". I'm not Welsh, but I'm a student of the topic. While the integration of Wales into English administration was a gradual process between the late 13th and 16th centuries, the key date is generally considered to be the Act of Union in 1536, whose effect was to erase the existence of Wales as a separate legal entity from England. The stated intent was also to erase the social and linguistic differences between the two, but that part didn't succeed nearly as well (thank goodness). Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 23:23:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15755 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:23:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g753CpE03576; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g753CnF16747; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751vnF29199 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:57:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.135.96]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020805015743.OPAL18399.out012.verizon.net@default> for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:57:43 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020805015604.00733c98@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re:Difference s (was Authenticity of Lucets) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 21:56:04 -0400 Status: RO At 09:39 AM 8/4/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > The difference between Americans and Englishmen, Is that an American considers 200 years a long time, an Englishmen considers 200 miles a long way. > >Cheers, >Ron For what it is worth I posted this way back this morning. I have no idea why it took so long to appear. (Still even then it was dreadfully redundant). Along those lines, I am having all sorts of trouble posting to the list. Just about everyt other post bouinces back to me (though this last one was sent from work). I remain, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 00:48:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16212 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 00:48:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g754cME07187; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g754cHF06458; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g754WuF05288 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-0ccsqh2.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.106.34] helo=earthlink.net) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bZY7-000272-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 21:32:55 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4DFF9A.6C5FC325@earthlink.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <60.23dc1358.2a7f3538@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: perronnelle@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 23:31:22 -0500 Status: RO FyneHats2@aol.com wrote: > One of the best resources for finding locations of Renaissance Faires in the > U.S. is the listings in Renaissance Magazine. You can see their website: > www.renaissancemagazine.com. I live in the Los Angeles area and the origins I missed the original question for this. http://www.faires.com/ has a listing of faires / festivals / reenactments worldwide. --Charlene -- As grown-ups, we never get to "wave bye-bye." I think it would be fun. "Steve, the boss is sailing for Europe; we're all going down to the dock to wave bye-bye." -- George Carlin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 01:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16334 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:15:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7554xE08201; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:04:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7554tF12041; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g752KLF04336 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17183 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:21:43 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020805015822.00732e68@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:21:43 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Ron Carnegie wrote: > Curious, my understanding was that a "Yellow Rose" was a mulatto > woman. IIRC the question first arose because someone was trying to connect yellow with prostitutes in some particular time/place, and someone else asked about the "Yellow Rose," who was presumably a prostitute. A more informed poster, whose identity I can't recall, explained that the so-called "yellow girls" were called that because they mixed race (as you state), and it wasn't a reference to the wearing of yellow. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 02:22:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28240 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:22:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g756BtE10584; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 00:11:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g756BqF26404; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 00:11:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g752jZF10861 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:45:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.171]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g752iE012997 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:44:14 +1000 Message-ID: <15fd01c23c29$ff015bc0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <20020804082138.8640.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:44:15 +1000 Status: RO Nicole, > Glenda, I did quote you right, didn't I, in my last post? The 1600 and 900 km > distances. My head is still reeling from that. Yep. It's just what you're used to, I suppose. A group of reenactors from Perth come across to the East coast once every two years for our biannual 'medieval' conference. They travel non-stop for 4 days, stay for 4-6, and go back again. Last time for them was over 4000kms each way in a very packed motorhome, and yes, they were stir crazy when they finished the trip. (I'm fairly sure they passed the time by singing 1000 green bottles at one stage too!) On the other hand, we've been looking through the Ordnance survey maps of Britain trying to organise our tour next year and I was worried by travelling three maps-worth distance in a day - that is until I looked up the scale, and found it was only 200km! Easy! On similar maps of Australia you'd be looking at 500-600km, which is only a problem if you want to stop to see things! Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 02:23:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28905 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:23:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g756D1E10622; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 00:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g756D0F26593; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 00:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f86.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g755x1F23744 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:58:55 -0700 Received: from 12.232.52.91 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 05:58:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.232.52.91] From: "Kala Jathos" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 05:58:55.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EC7C810:01C23C45] Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 22:58:55 -0700 Status: RO Actually, when I was in Germany (1989-1992) our family's favorite daytrip spot was a place called "No Name City." Since I was really little I don't remember where it was exactly - it was a long drive, and the directions were somewhat faulty anyway - but I *do* remember that that was when I was going through my horsey-stage, and I had just discovered Paul Gobel, and was duly impressed by the *real* American Indian they had there at the park. :) He had an appaloosa and all the trappings, and if I remember correctly, his name was Buffalo Child, and he was Sioux. I remember being just happy to hear someone speaking English with a California accent again. But yeah... Germany loves the Wild West... I think there was even a popular kids cowboy cartoon show, something like "Cool Hand Luke". I would go on, but it'd get even further off topic. :) -Laura Message: 3 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:40:16 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I've heard rumors that the Germans are big into the American Wild West (and > into 1950s American 'modern' furniture). I'm German, but I don't have a clue! Have never ever heard of that, so I don't know if it is just a wild rumour or true. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 03:38:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20133 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:38:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g757S3E12977; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757S0F10524; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g757FXF08190 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:15:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805071532.28594.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:15:32 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <15fd01c23c29$ff015bc0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:15:32 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Glenda Robinson wrote: > First of all congratuations to all Aussies for the winning of the most gold medals in the Commonwealth games. :-) > Yep. It's just what you're used to, I suppose. A group of reenactors from > Perth come across to the East coast once every two years for our biannual > 'medieval' conference. They travel non-stop for 4 days, stay for 4-6, and go > back again. Last time for them was over 4000kms each way in a very packed F... F... F... FOURthousand kilometers?????????????? *faints* Ohmigod. Okay, now that is taking re-enactment, history, historical costumes SERIOUSLY! Gods, Australia is so big, I can't even imagine distances like that. > motorhome, and yes, they were stir crazy when they finished the trip. (I'm > fairly sure they passed the time by singing 1000 green bottles at one stage > too!) *whistles and goes stir crazy just thinking of that song* > On the other hand, we've been looking through the Ordnance survey maps of > Britain trying to organise our tour next year and I was worried by > travelling three maps-worth distance in a day - that is until I looked up > the scale, and found it was only 200km! Easy! On similar maps of Australia > you'd be looking at 500-600km, which is only a problem if you want to stop > to see things! *laughs!* Are you going to Canterbury too? I'd love to meet up with all of you somewhere and go for a nibble and a drink. How's the stitching coming along? I took ben's red coat apart again to put more silver lace on and properly finish it. *groans* I hate doing that! And tehn I have to make all my skirts tighter because I lost weight. The later is nice, the former is most annoying. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 03:42:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27503 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:42:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g757WXE13111; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:32:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757WVF11403; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:32:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757PQF10058 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:25:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([80.6.56.204]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805072524.UWZD28874.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:24 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action Message-ID: <3D4E366E.2127.4BF698@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020804135142.66277.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> References: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:18 +0100 Status: RO On 4 Aug 2002 at 14:51, N Kipar wrote: > --- Helen Partner wrote: > Morning all, > > > > Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? > > > > Regards > > Helen > > > Hi Helen, yes I will be going. As far as I know Teddy, Mel, Jean and Kate are > going too. > > Nicole So far next weekend is only double-booked, not triple. I'll add Kirby Hall to the list and see how I feel and what the weather's doing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 03:49:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05285 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:49:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g757cwE13302; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757cuF12526; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:38:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757PSF10066 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:25:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([80.6.56.204]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805072527.UWZP28874.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:27 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets Message-ID: <3D4E366D.19715.4BF4D5@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <003701c23bc4$62ae15c0$8e8077d8@wt.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:17 +0100 Status: RO On 4 Aug 2002 at 9:36, Karen Verschoor wrote: > Texas became an independent country and did not become part of the United > States until Dec, 1845. The Texan Embassy building in London still exists, and is now a *very* good restaurant, serving "Texan" food. Yet more info can be found all over its walls. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 03:49:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05599 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:49:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g757d9E13319; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:39:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757d7F12561; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:39:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757PUF10077 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:25:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([80.6.56.204]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805072529.UXAE28874.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:29 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: Message-ID: <3D4E366E.10302.4BF847@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020804074350.46754.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D4C8DC3.426ACBEE@in-tch.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:18 +0100 Status: RO On 4 Aug 2002 at 8:43, N Kipar wrote: > --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > What are the dimensions of > England, anyways? > > --Sue, trying to gain some sort of geographical perspective.... > > Uh, I don't have a clue, but it's small, I can't remember dimensions, either, but I suspect a lot of the difference in how we see distances is due to time, not miles. Most of our roads not only weren't designed for cars, they weren't designed for horse and carriage, either. They've been upgraded, but the layout is still cramped. And we have a high-density population. So 100 miles is about 1.5 hours if you're lucky enough to get a motorway route, more like 3-4 hours if you're driving through towns, and most of the day if on public transport. 1.5 hours is a big chunk out of my life. If an event is 100 miles away, it would have to be pretty good for me to take the time to go there. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 03:58:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17958 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:58:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g757m5E13557; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:48:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757m3F14194; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:48:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g757XcF11566 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:33:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805073337.30077.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:33:37 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <60.23dc1358.2a7f3538@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:33:37 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- FyneHats2@aol.com wrote: > > coast to coast. Anyway I digress..... Renaissance Faires are all over the > US and Canada. In Europe it is more medieval faires and in England they > mostly concentrate on their English Civil War Period, some medieval and very > little (almost none) renaissance. Thanks Felicity. Though I have to correct you on something, it's not mainly ECW in England, there are LOTS of Napoleonics, medieval, ACW, and in fact, almost every period you can think of. What we don't have here is faires, that's probaby because what we have is re-enactment. You are right about medieval faires though, you find lots of them in germany, and most are 'how the middle ages should have been'. *laughs* You are also right about the 16th century, or what American seem to call the Renaissance, which, technically and art historically isn't the Renaissance at all. :-) There is almost nothing here, people doing the 1st person Tudor thing at Kentwell but proper re-enactment? Friends do 16th century seamen, but otherwise even if I had a costume from Margo's patterns, I wouldn't know whereand when to wear it. *pout8 Also, in England you are _NOT_ allowed to come in costume to a re-enactment event, only invited and participating re-enactment groups and societies. All vistitors must be dressed mundanely. It's a completely different culture, re-enactment in England and Ren Faires in the US, and I tell you something, from the sound of it, I like both ideas! I wouldn't possibly want to live in a place where here is no re-enactment like here, but I would love to visit such a Faire, and wear whatever costumes I want and not give a rat's bottom about a little machine stitched seam being seen. *grins* Oh bliss. Can you tell my RSI is playing up again? ;-) Nicole - who just loves costumes. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 04:09:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32115 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:09:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g757wxE13859; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:58:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757wvF16156; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:58:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757PXF10088 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:25:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([80.6.56.204]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805072531.UXAV28874.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:31 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: Message-ID: <3D4E366D.4498.4BF403@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020804172207.63659.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:17 +0100 Status: RO On 4 Aug 2002 at 18:22, N Kipar wrote: > *laughs* I'm sorry mary, but being an Anglo-Saxonist (and linguist) by trade I > have to say he let out big BS. Even if he claimed his ancestry back to the > Viking raids and later settlements, which would be quite plausible (IF he can > trace his lineage back which is more than dubious) and even if he goes back to > the Angles, Jutes, or whatever you might want to have, it all ends up in the > same germanic pool, just where the saxons came from too. I suppose it's possible that he's traced his ancestry back to before the Saxon invasion. Seems wildly unlikely to me, given the lack of documentation for that period, but you never know. Or it could be a reference to "English" coming from "Angle", and he's descended from a *different* bunch of Saxons....? Or Normans, going later in period? But to say there's *no* English blood, he must have traced every branch back: I'm impressed! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 04:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01326 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:10:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75806E13961; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75803F16451; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g757ipF13679 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:44:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805074451.90741.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:44:51 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020804145837.UWGA16779.out005.verizon.net@out005> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:44:51 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- vze2brpf@verizon.net wrote: > > Actually, I think the 16th century history of North America is VERY > interesting, and far more complicated than most imagine. Most of that is > Spanish, but there are a number of forays into the area by the British, as > well as a temporary colony in Baffin bay and the failed colony at Roanoke. That, my dear, is fortunately personal preferences, as I always say, wouldn't it be boring if everyone were interested/liked the same. > Of course the 17th century history of British North America is very > important to Britain herself, and affects the motherland in many ways. The > mass migrations, the amazing rate that North America is being colonized. The > effects of piracy on international trade. Look how fast New World items > become popular, not to mention naval might built with North American naval > stores. I disagree. It doesn't affect my research in any particularly big way. It wasn't that the colonies particularly affected the motherland regarding dress, but vice versa. The few 17th c. paintings from the colonies I have seen did not show any particular differences. Anyway, what I research is not the colonies (why would I?) but Europe, Britain, Holland and France. Now, the use and import of cotton though, is another matter, and qite interesting, but I shall come to it after I have found the answers to a few other questions. :-) Actually, the import of textiles from places like India and even China are of greater impact and importance than the colonies. Sorry Ron, I just have no interest in America and probably will never have. No offense meant. It's good that others do, after all, it's your country, but it just isn't mine and shall never ever be. *S* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 04:14:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA08970 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:14:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7584JE14622; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:04:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7584GF17357; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g757r6F15139 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805075306.92693.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:53:06 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4E366E.10302.4BF847@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:53:06 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jane Williams wrote: > > I can't remember dimensions, either, but I suspect a > lot of the difference in how we see distances is due > to time, not miles. You are so right Jane, I didn't think about/realise that! It took us, when we did the event at Hounslow, 4 hours to get to it!!! That although it should have been 1.5, it was only from the Medway towns (south-east corner) to London Hounslow (diagonally up Northerly to the West). If you live in the South East or anywhere near a big city like Manchester etc. there is NO way you can ever know how long a journey will take. Every day, and I mean EVERY day there are holdups, accidents, even closures on the trafic report on the M25, and teh M25 goes all around Greater London and affects counties such as kent, Surrey, Sussex, Essex, etc. It is a nightmare, believe me, you lucky, lucky people with miles and miles of open space, it is a total nightmare to live here in that respect, and yes, the small size and utter crampedness of particularly the South of England is what I HATE about this country and I do want to move up North eventually, to Yorkshire. Love Humberside, enjoyed Hull, adore York and the Dales. Thus, often when there is an event we have to really think about it. For example the Wardrobe costume guild one in November, it means half way along the M25, and yes we really have to think if we can go. Journeys are impossible to ever guess, it has taken me 10 (!) hous before to get to York. So I warn you, all travellers, if you come to England and rent a car, please bear this in mind if you wish to visit many Costume related laces in the South and ave a tight schedule. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 04:42:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25278 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:42:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g758UvE15393; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g758UsF22278; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:30:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g757b7F12184 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805073706.91321.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:37:06 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020805101937.02743b80@210.49.20.169> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:37:06 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sharon Nevin wrote: > > I lived in Kent, England for a while, mainly through secondary school. In Kent's lovely, isn't it? Just far too many people and cars! That's due to blasted London. > second year we studied the end of the War of the Roses through to Elizabeth > I. Our history teacher came up with fun projects including "researching" > Elizabethan makeup and a trip to Deal castle where we dress up in tudor > peasant dress (including a coif) and did dances (which I have later seen in > period dance books). Ohhhh, Deal castle, it's a sweetie that one. My absolutely favourite though is Dover castle, the view from up there over the English channel is just magnificent! On good days you can see France (and dream of chocolate croissants...) > I have a UK passport so hopefully one day I'll move back. When you do, let me know and I 'force' you to come sew with me. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 05:58:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25770 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 05:58:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g759m4E17606; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:48:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g759m1F04893; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g759ajF02786 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:36:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb05la (unverified [10.1.200.108]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:32:24 -0700 thread-index: AcI8YwHKNgcJQ/TfTny85/qowv5gxA== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Sorta OT pattern give-away From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorta OT pattern give-away Message-ID: <00cc01c23c63$01ca9e00$12c8a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C23C28.556BC600" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:32:24 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C23C28.556BC600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would love to have either the Afghani or Syrian dress, if you don't mind including someone from the UK in the draw? Freyalyn _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Sue Clemenger > Sent: 8/5/2002 1:21:52 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Sorta OT pattern give-away > > Hi, gang. I've been doing some more cleaning, and I've got 3 Folkwear > patterns, never used, that I'd like to give to some good homes. I > inherited them several years ago, when a friend dumped a bunch of stuff > at my house, and never came back (and won't be back). They're nifty > ethnic patterns, but probably not something I'll ever have the time to > create, even if I *could* fit within their size range..... > The three patterns are: > Afghani Nomad Dress > Syrian Dress > Algerian Suit (has variations for both men and women) > > If you're interested in acquiring one of them, please send me an email > (privately), telling me which one. Next Sunday (Aug. 11th), I'll draw > the names of the winners, and contact them to arrange mailing, which > I'll pay for. > > --Sue > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C23C28.556BC600 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would love to have either the Afghani or Syrian dress, if you don't mind including someone from the UK in the draw?

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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Sue Clemenger
> Sent: 8/5/2002 1:21:52 AM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: [h-cost] Sorta OT pattern give-away
>
> Hi, gang. I've been doing some more cleaning, and I've got 3 Folkwear
> patterns, never used, that I'd like to give to some good homes. I
> inherited them several years ago, when a friend dumped a bunch of stuff
> at my house, and never came back (and won't be back). They're nifty
> ethnic patterns, but probably not something I'll ever have the time to
> create, even if I *could* fit within their size range.....
> The three patterns are:
> Afghani Nomad Dress
> Syrian Dress
> Algerian Suit (has variations for both men and women)
>
> If you're interested in acquiring one of them, please send me an email
> (privately), telling me which one. Next Sunday (Aug. 11th), I'll draw
> the names of the winners, and contact them to arrange mailing, which
> I'll pay for.
>
> --Sue
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> h-costume mailing list
> h-costume@mail.indra.com
> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C23C28.556BC600-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 06:17:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA25924 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:17:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75A7CE18112; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:07:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75A79F08332; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:07:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10304.mail.yahoo.com (web10304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.82]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g759w5F06655 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:58:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805095804.26709.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.6.121.133] by web10304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:58:04 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208050529.g755TIF17524@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-207638814-1028541484=:26451" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Kirby Hall - History in Action Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:58:04 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-207638814-1028541484=:26451 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll be at Kirby, too! Camping with the Normans (same group as Jean), but having to work at my stall in the traders market, instead of re-enacting (which would be so much more fun!) Anybody who's there, come and say hello! (I trade under Deborah Lough Costumes). Nicole - won't actually have any buttons there, (apart from a couple of multi-coloured samples), as the wooden cores haven't turned up yet, but if you have the rings you ordered, I could make them over the weekend if you can get them to me, otherwise, I can send them to you if you mail me your address. (If you have a mobile my number's 0771 867 7871, which you can always use to find in the evenings when I'm not on the stall, and could be anywhere!) Debbie. --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-207638814-1028541484=:26451 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I'll be at Kirby, too!  Camping with the Normans (same group as Jean), but having to work at my stall in the traders market, instead of re-enacting (which would be so much more fun!)

Anybody who's there, come and say hello!  (I trade under Deborah Lough Costumes).

Nicole - won't actually have any buttons there, (apart from a couple of multi-coloured samples), as the wooden cores haven't turned up yet, but if you have the rings you ordered, I could make them over the weekend if you can get them to me, otherwise, I can send them to you if you mail me your address.  (If you have a mobile my number's 0771 867 7871, which you can always use to find in the evenings when I'm not on the stall, and could be anywhere!)

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>Actually, some people from England aren't English - they're British. I met a
>man from up near the Scottish/English border not far from Yorkshire who told
>me about the first time he was called English here in the States. He thought
>they were referring to someone else, because, as he said "I'm not English,
>I'm British. I have no Saxon blood". York was part of England pre 1603, but
>he claimed his ethnicity from further back than England!

I have to agree that this guy was giving you some serious BS!  First of all, I'd defy anybody native to England to have any kind of pure blood (or to be able to prove a lack of Saxon blood).  English people are mostly a mish-mash of all sorts of other nations (including Ancient Briton, Celtic, Italian (Romans), Germanic (Angles, Saxons, etc), Scandinavian (Vikings), French (Normans)).

Also, York (in British distance terms, at least) is nowhere near the Scottish border!  It's almost 200  miles away.  I grew up near Newcastle, 1+1/2 hours from the Scottish border, and descend from a family of border rievers, and I don't consider myself a borderer!  (NB border riever - basically cross-border thieves - at least my lot were, anyway!)

Debbie.



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Oh I do hope it doesn't rain - I'll never persuade DH to drive all that way if it's raining!

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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Debbie Lough
> Sent: 8/5/2002 7:00:04 PM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Kirby Hall - History in Action
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> I'll be at Kirby, too! Camping with the Normans (same group as Jean), but having to work at my
> stall in the traders market, instead of re-enacting (which would be so much more fun!)
> Anybody who's there, come and say hello! (I trade under Deborah Lough Costumes).
> Nicole - won't actually have any buttons there, (apart from a couple of multi-coloured samples), as
> the wooden cores haven't turned up yet, but if you have the rings you ordered, I could make them
> over the weekend if you can get them to me, otherwise, I can send them to you if you mail me your
> address. (If you have a mobile my number's 0771 867 7871, which you can always use to find in the
> evenings when I'm not on the stall, and could be anywhere!)
> Debbie.
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(If you have a mobile my number's 0771 867 7871, which you can > always use to find in the evenings when I'm not on the stall, and could be > anywhere!) > Debbie. I have a couple packages of rings, just have to remmeber to take them with me! Will you be there in the beertent on Friday evening? I think I won't get into kit (nah, too much trouble) but I am pondering to get into my original 1950s British Red Cross Nurse uniform on Friday, but coupled with Army issue jungle boots coz I don't have the proper shoes yet and who knows, it might be muddy and wet... :-) So when you see someone in a primly starched pale blue uniform sans headdress (don't have that one either yet) and gleaming white pinafore and apron, but with scruffy black boots, that's me. hehe. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 08:55:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26698 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:55:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75CifE22980; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75CibF09013; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:44:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f86.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75CZfF07066 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:35:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 05:35:36 -0700 Received: from 63.12.14.212 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:35:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.12.14.212] From: "Rebecca Anderson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 12:35:36.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[99038070:01C23C7C] Subject: [h-cost] distances in Oz Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:05:35 +0930 Status: RO Yes Australia is a big place. My parents live in the same state as me, 600km away! I live in Adelaide, South Australia, the nearest capital of another state is Melbourne, 900km away!!!! Rebecca >--- Betsy Marshall wrote: > "In >America 100 >years is a long time. >>In England 100 miles is a long distance." >>it's all due to your frame of reference... >>Betsy > >Oh yes, and even 'worse' Australians, I talked to a re-enactment >friend >and she >said they are going drive (!) 1.600 km to visit their parents for a >week. >WAH! >That's from London to Moscow!!! I wouldn't in my life dream of driving >to >Moscow, and they happily drive 900 km for a weekend out in Sydney or a >re-enactment. Holy cow! > >Nicole - who LOVES wide open unpopulated spaces, but can't get that >here, >though can in Norway. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 09:39:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26937 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:39:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75DTKE24893; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DT3F20122; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:29:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DF9F16356 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:15:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m23.in-tch.com [216.166.191.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g75D0w908878 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:00:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4E7BB1.F07B6351@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorta OT pattern give-away References: <00cc01c23c63$01ca9e00$12c8a8c0@mail2world.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:20:49 -0600 Status: RO No, I don't mind at all! --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 09:44:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26975 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:44:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75DXlE25092; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DXjF21370; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:33:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DINF17238 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:18:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m23.in-tch.com [216.166.191.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g75D4F909516 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4E7C7E.4F5ECB11@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT pattern give away References: <20020805110123.36899.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:24:14 -0600 Status: RO The "R?" I don't mind paying postage...that's at least half the fun of giving something like this away. If you're a lucky winner, I'll email you, and let you know, and you can decide where I should send it..... --Sue marcus findlay-arthur wrote: > > Sue, > I know some folks down in Africa that would kill for > those patterns!The R is doing so badly and it costs > them an arm and a leg to buy/do anything right now.I'd > be happy to defray your expenses? > Personally I'd love to have a look at the Afghan > pattern since I'm looking for wintery stuff to cope > with garb here in the UK. > > If you want to get in touch my addy are; > > marcus.cuttingtable@virgin.net > mangal.kalima@virgin.net > > Thanks, > Marcus > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 09:44:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26979 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:44:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75DY6E25127; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DY3F21478; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DRZF19741 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:27:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m23.in-tch.com [216.166.191.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g75DDR911862 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4E7EA1.EC651D00@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020805073337.30077.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:33:21 -0600 Status: RO Nicole, I feel just the same way about any of the nifty things I'd make from taking your class through Penny's classroom, or any of those droolsome sack-backed gowns and related clothing from JP's classes. What very little historical reenactment there is in my area is all pre-17th c. So...I figure I'm just gonna have some beautiful stuff hanging in my closet...*sigh*.....and the satisfaction of having done something really "new" to me! ;-D --Sue N Kipar wrote: > Friends do 16th century seamen, but > otherwise even if I had a costume from Margo's patterns, I wouldn't know > whereand when to wear it. *pout8 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 10:00:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27045 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:00:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75DoTE25958; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:50:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DoGF26104; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:50:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DZEF21862 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:35:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA95425 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:35:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Greensleeves filk In-Reply-To: <3D4DA398.1C5F8D12@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > > > > Gack! Now all I've got in my head are muddled lyrics like: > > > Alas, my love, you do me wrong, > > > to dress me thus discourteously, > > > For I have told you all along, > > > it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...." ROTFL! Of course, we can't forget the chorus: Greenland's where they wore this gown, Men and women of all degree, Greenland is the place they found this gown that is not a cotehardie... Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 10:15:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27085 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:15:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75E4eE26979; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DwaF28643; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:58:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10301.mail.yahoo.com (web10301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.79]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75DfhF23640 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805134142.65654.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.1.45.6] by web10301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 14:41:42 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208051023.g75ANJF11171@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1654898623-1028554902=:65227" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:41:42 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-1654898623-1028554902=:65227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >...You are so right Jane, I didn't think about/realise that! >It took us, when we did the event at Hounslow, 4 hours to get to it!!! ... >Nicole Ouch! It only took us 3 and a half, and that was from Yorkshire! Still, I suppose it's the main problem with living north of Yorkshire or south of London - the further you go, the worse the roads get (like the A1 - the main road from London to Edinburgh and its single lane for half its length!). Debbie. --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-1654898623-1028554902=:65227 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

 

>...You are so right Jane, I didn't think about/realise that!
>It took us, when we did the event at Hounslow, 4 hours to get to it!!! ...

>Nicole

Ouch!  It only took us 3 and a half, and that was from Yorkshire! 

Still, I suppose it's the main problem with living north of Yorkshire or south of London - the further you go, the worse the roads get (like the A1 - the main road from London to Edinburgh and its single lane for half its length!).

Debbie.



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http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-1654898623-1028554902=:65227-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 11:06:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27379 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:06:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75Eu3E01731; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Eu1W22657; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75EfTW16344 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:41:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805144129.53673.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:41:29 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: More questions about forehead cloths To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <002701c23b4c$3fbe8900$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:41:29 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > When did people start wearing forehead cloths? Were they worn in public, or > were they more of an in private piece of clothing? I'm afraid I don't know when they started. certainly in the paintigs of the Dutch golden age, the 1660s and 70s, the forehead cloths seem to be worn by sick women indoors as well as reconvalescent women, for example after child birth. the next question should be perhaps, what constitutes a forehead cloth? There are other caps and hoods and coifs that cover the forehead but are constructed completely differently and are worn by all. I really don't know. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 11:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27440 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:21:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75FAlE03070; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75FAkW29943; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:10:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75ElvW18996 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:47:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805144756.48848.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:47:56 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:47:56 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Are there portraits of people wearing them? Did they go over the coif > or under? I've just recently been investigating religious headcovering, > and having had it pointed out to me, noticing that many women wearing > hijab wear a small cap or tied headscarf underneath, which comes down to > the forehead, and the large headscarf sits further back on the head. Do > forehead cloths work in a similar way? > > Jean Waddie Good questions Jean, we are trying to figure that one out as well. here are a few pictures though of sick women having their freheads covered. The date is in the file name. (Not every sick woman in those paintings wears one though. It works this way: when wearing a cloth she is sick. It doesn't work 'when sick she wears a cloth') http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660-67_VISIT_METSU.JPG http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660-70_ANAEMIC-LADY_HOOGSTRAATEN.JPG http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1700_NURSERY_NAIVEU.JPG Here is an example of the one I meant which s constructed differenty but covers the forehead: http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660_DOU4.JPG http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660_STEEN10.JPG Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 11:21:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27446 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:21:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75FAvE03095; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:10:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75FAtW00205; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75EncW19757 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805144938.49043.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:49:38 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c23afe$e9729520$c41886d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:49:38 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Helen Edmunds wrote: > MessageSaragrace > > It's not a silly question :-) > Yep you're right, the forehead cloth is the triangular-shaped item. My > understanding, is that it was worn in conjunction with a coif (well, in my > period) and on the head with the flat edge to the front. I am wondering if what is seen on the pictures I just sent from the 1660s and later, is such a triangular cloth on those sick ladies at all or something different. Sometimes, you can > see a faint glimpse of these in the various images of babies in the 17th C. Not only that, there are quite a few surviving ones for babies. In the Guildford museum (visited it on Saturday) is a baby's layette from 1707. Most superb linen items! And of course forehead cloths. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 12:57:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28039 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:57:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75Gl2E13533; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Gl1W24821; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75GVaW15468 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:31:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21757 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:32:58 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Greensleeves filk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:32:58 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO Sue wrote: > > > > Alas, my love, you do me wrong, > > > > to dress me thus discourteously, > > > > For I have told you all along, > > > > it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...." Drea added: > Greenland's where they wore this gown, > Men and women of all degree, > Greenland is the place they found > this gown that is not a cotehardie... These verses sound hauntingly familiar ... but they're from two different lectures ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 13:02:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28122 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:02:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75Gq2E14154; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75GpwW27631; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75GkxW24801 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.108] (pm4-108.eos.net [205.133.149.108]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22576 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:46:56 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200208040223.g742N7F13106@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] "old" in America Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:46:18 -0400 Status: RO Sue Cleminger wrote: "When I fly into London at the end of the month, it will be the largest city I've ever been in! " Don't forget, Sue, that London is one of the largest cities in the world, so it's the largest city a lot of people have ever been in! I spent a summer studying at Oxford as an undergraduate, and I was amazed by how old everything was. Obviously I *knew* things were that old in England, but it's a different thing to experience it. And I'm from Pittsburgh, PA, one of the older states! Now I live in Cincinnati, Ohio, once the "Gateway to the West" and still considered the Wild West in the early 1800s. The neighborhood I live in was settled in 1813. So yes, Nicole and others, we think of things very differently from you in Britain or Europe. Our museums are different, too. For instance in Cincinnati we have had a very good art museum since the 1800s (mostly European works -- usually a small clothing exhibit on display) and a good Natural History museum for slightly less time. We have quite a few small museums, like a little downtown Fire Museum in an "old" firehouse (we had the first paid fire department in the United States). But only recently have we had a big History Museum dedicated to our area history. It's a fine museum and you should all come and see it! Our newest museum is a Children's Museum. Pittsburgh, a much older city, has an even newer city museum than Cincinnati. Also a fine museum. My point (if I have one) is that big museums about local history are fairly recent things, probably because we are such a new country. I don't know of any state history museums, although there are quite a few museums run by the National Park Service and dedicated to battles, presidents, etc. Gail Finke PS: We have 50 states. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 13:34:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28312 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:34:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75HNME17757; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HNKW15755; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:23:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HCpW10086 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:12:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805171245.XDGV221.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@attbi.com>; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:12:45 +0000 Message-ID: <3D4EB207.6070603@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Costuming , The Steps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] My website addy Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:12:39 -0700 Status: RO Greetings to one and all, Many have asked for my website address, so I thought it would be best to go ahead and post it publically again. Thank you for your patience and indulgence. Silver Rose Concepts: http://home.attbi.com/~roscelin/wsb/html In the Service of Many Dreams, Roscelin de Limoges Rose Amberwulf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 14:05:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28480 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:05:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75Ht9E21158; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:55:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Ht5W03425; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:55:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HfaW25841 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.124] (pm4-124.eos.net [205.133.149.124]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14320 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:41:22 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200208041812.g74ICmF14829@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:40:01 -0400 Status: RO Anne is right, we do dress differently in the different states. We also have many different accents, although they are not as distinct as British accents! If you watch commercial American TV you might think there are only about four or five accents. But one of the things I like about listening to debates in congress is that you get to hear so many different regional accents. In Cincinnati Ohio, where I live, people dress very dully. T-shirts and jeans most of the time, and even when we dress up it's boring. One state to the right, in Pittsburgh, everyone dresses with a bit more style. Pittsburgh is an "East Coast" city, albeit on the edge, and Cincinnati is Midwest. Go about 5 hours west to Chicago, though, and everyone is more stylish again. On my first trip to Florida I was astounded by all the Cuban-influenced (I guess) clothes. Things no one would ever wear here in Cincinnati -- bright, bright colors, very tight women's clothes (although that is now in here), white ruffled shirts, etc. You would stick out like a sore thumb wearing that here! A Florida visit last year surprised me because I saw so many people wearing Hawaiian shirts. I still don't get it -- Hawaiian shirts in Florida? My parents have been out West a couple of times to New Mexico and Arizona, and my mother reports that people there really do wear "Western Wear" -- cowboy shirts, tiered ruffled skirts, bolo ties, etc. Those things are sold here but I don't know where anyone wears them -- to Western themed parties, maybe? I imagine that someday people will recreate the early 21st century with bizarre mixes of all these clothes -- things no one would ever wear together, but all documented! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 14:07:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28492 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:07:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75HusE21306; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:56:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HurW04344; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:56:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HhfW27000 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:43:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22376; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:45:06 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com cc: Costuming , The Steps Subject: Re: [h-cost] My website addy In-Reply-To: <3D4EB207.6070603@attbi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:45:06 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Rose Amberwulf wrote: > Silver Rose Concepts: http://home.attbi.com/~roscelin/wsb/html I think you want a period instead of that last slash, before the html. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 14:08:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28497 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:08:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75HvdE21354; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:57:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HvcW04795; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:57:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HhjW27038 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22376; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:45:06 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com cc: Costuming , The Steps Subject: Re: [h-cost] My website addy In-Reply-To: <3D4EB207.6070603@attbi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:45:06 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Rose Amberwulf wrote: > Silver Rose Concepts: http://home.attbi.com/~roscelin/wsb/html I think you want a period instead of that last slash, before the html. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 14:15:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28531 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:15:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75I59E22071; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:05:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75I56W08912; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:05:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HbMW23480 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:37:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22287 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:38:47 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "old" in America In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:38:47 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Pittsburgh, a much older city, has an even newer city museum than > Cincinnati. Also a fine museum. My point (if I have one) is that big > museums about local history are fairly recent things, probably because > we are such a new country. I don't know of any state history museums, > although there are quite a few museums run by the National Park > Service and dedicated to battles, presidents, etc. As Gail notes, we don't think of museums as being something a state would routinely establish as a government-run entity. There are plenty of historic sites that have associated museums, but these are not typically museums about the history of the "state" in particular -- they focus on the history of the site (e.g. a famous person's birthplace or a geological landmark or something). Some cities or counties have their own museums, which might present local or regional history. And there are quite a few museums based on some aspect of local or regional history that is not delineated by "state" -- e.g. the Cowboy Museum in Oklahoma City. I believe that one is an independent nonprofit, not state-run. We do have a state history museum here in Missouri, but it's not state-run, and I don't know if it has any particular connection to the state government. It's run by the Missouri Historical Society, a nonprofit organization founded in 1866. The museum receives some funding from the city's park district and the rest from membership, donations, and grants. The Society also has an impressive library open to researchers. As regards costume, somewhere in the society's collections are a few 19th-century working-class men's shirts sometimes called "riverboatman's shirts" because they are of the type depicted in Missouri artist George Caleb Bingham's well-known paintings of riverboat workers. For examples, see , , and . (The Mississippi river plays a huge role in Missouri history -- think of Mark Twain, a onetime boatman who wrote "Life on the Mississippi" and set his books "Tom Sawyer" and "Huckleberry Finn" in a town based on his Missouri hometown of Hannibal.) One of the shirts in this collection provided the basis for the Folkwear "Riverboatman's Shirt" pattern. I borrowed this pattern from an h-cost member a few years ago and made up a nice linen shirt for a friend. I've been intending to see if I can get a look at the original, but haven't gotten around to it. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 14:51:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28664 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:51:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75Ie4E25309; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75IdoW27896; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75GxHW01889 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA96945 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:59:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Greensleeves filk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO See, Robin? You've been immortalized in verse! Drea On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Robin Netherton wrote: > > Sue wrote: > > > > > Alas, my love, you do me wrong, > > > > > to dress me thus discourteously, > > > > > For I have told you all along, > > > > > it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...." > > Drea added: > > Greenland's where they wore this gown, > > Men and women of all degree, > > Greenland is the place they found > > this gown that is not a cotehardie... > > These verses sound hauntingly familiar ... but they're from two different > lectures ;-) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 15:39:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29030 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:39:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75JSxE00607; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75JSvW24316; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:28:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Hm9W29400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:48:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17blxf-00009F-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:48:08 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century References: <20020805144756.48848.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020805144756.48848.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:24:55 +0100 Status: RO N Kipar wrote > --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Are there portraits of >people wearing them? Did they go over the coif >> or under? I've just recently been investigating religious headcovering, >> and having had it pointed out to me, noticing that many women wearing >> hijab wear a small cap or tied headscarf underneath, which comes down to >> the forehead, and the large headscarf sits further back on the head. Do >> forehead cloths work in a similar way? >> >> Jean Waddie > >Good questions Jean, we are trying to figure that one out as well. here are a >few pictures though of sick women having their freheads covered. The date is in >the file name. (Not every sick woman in those paintings wears one though. It >works this way: when wearing a cloth she is sick. It doesn't work 'when sick >she wears a cloth') > >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660-67_VISIT_METSU.JPG > >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660-70_ANAEMIC-LADY_HOOGST >RAATEN.JPG > >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1700_NURSERY_NAIVEU.JPG > >Here is an example of the one I meant which s constructed differenty but covers >the forehead: > >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660_DOU4.JPG > >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660_STEEN10.JPG > >Nicole > These are all coming up really small on my browser, but I'm not sure I can see any of these as separate triangular pieces twinned with coifs - they just look like headscarves or similar tied very low. Am I missing something vital? Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 15:45:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29070 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:45:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75JYXE01164; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:34:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75JYUW27447; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:34:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75JQCW22807 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:26:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.12a.153f01a4 (17526) for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.153f01a4.2a802b47@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "old" in America To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12a.153f01a4.2a802b47_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:25:59 EDT Status: RO --part1_12a.153f01a4.2a802b47_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/2002 12:52:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: > PS: We have 50 states. > We won't make Puerto Rico a state because no one can figure out a good way to arrange 51 stars on the flag. Badda-bing! --part1_12a.153f01a4.2a802b47_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/2002 12:52:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gailscott@eos.net writes:


PS: We have 50 states.


We won't make Puerto Rico a state because no one can figure out a good way to arrange 51 stars on the flag.


Badda-bing!
--part1_12a.153f01a4.2a802b47_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 16:00:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29128 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:00:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75Jo9E02610; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Jo5W05705; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:50:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75JacW28548 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:36:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.182.c2c00d8 (17526) for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:36:22 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <182.c2c00d8.2a802db6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_182.c2c00d8.2a802db6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:36:22 EDT Status: RO --part1_182.c2c00d8.2a802db6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/2002 1:57:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: > I imagine that someday people will recreate the early 21st century with > bizarre mixes of all these clothes -- things no one would ever wear > together, but all documented! > Remember the movie they made of "Hair" [Dreadful. I know] The hippies all wore hippy stuff, but somehow it wasn't real. [of course it IS a musical] It's hard to put a finger on. Maybe TOO much tie dye and feathers. Its contrast to what "The Establishment" wore was real though. That's mushed together now. No one would wear a T-shirt and a blazer in the 60s. [A turtleneck maybe] I saw an episode of "Square Pegs" late the other night. The clothes were period. The 80s is now period. And of course the [big] hair and make up. And shoulder pads... Interesting..... --part1_182.c2c00d8.2a802db6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/2002 1:57:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gailscott@eos.net writes:


I imagine that someday people will recreate the early 21st century with
bizarre mixes of all these clothes -- things no one would ever wear
together, but all documented!


Remember the movie they made of "Hair" [Dreadful. I know] The hippies all wore hippy stuff, but somehow it wasn't real. [of course it IS a musical] It's hard to put a finger on. Maybe TOO much tie dye and feathers. Its contrast to what "The Establishment" wore was real though. That's mushed together now. No one would wear a T-shirt and a blazer in the 60s. [A turtleneck maybe]

I saw an episode of "Square Pegs" late the other night. The clothes were period. The 80s is now period. And of course the [big] hair and make up. And shoulder pads...

Interesting.....
--part1_182.c2c00d8.2a802db6_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 16:12:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29227 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:12:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75K23E03698; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75K21W12068; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Jm2W04632 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805194757.FQPZ221.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:47:57 +0000 Message-ID: <3D4ED667.7050703@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] My website addy References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030800090806020501030703" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:47:51 -0700 Status: RO --------------030800090806020501030703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The silly computer and slippery fingers. ;) I'll let everyone know. Thanks, Robin. Roscelin Robin Netherton wrote: >On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Rose Amberwulf wrote: > >> Silver Rose Concepts: http://home.attbi.com/~roscelin/wsb/html >> > >I think you want a period instead of that last slash, before the html. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --------------030800090806020501030703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The silly computer and slippery fingers.  ;)   I'll let everyone know.  Thanks, Robin.

Roscelin

Robin Netherton wrote:
On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Rose Amberwulf wrote:

   Silver Rose Concepts:   http://home.attbi.com/~roscelin/wsb/html 

I think you want a period instead of that last slash, before the html.

--Robin

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--------------030800090806020501030703-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 16:16:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29294 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:16:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75K6ME04051; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:06:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75K6KW14423; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Jr7W07342 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805195302.WIQW23732.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@attbi.com>; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:53:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3D4ED798.8090108@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Costuming , The Steps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Website goof Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:52:56 -0700 Status: RO Greetings one and all, It is me again. I made an error in writing out my webpage address it should be: http://home.attbi.com/~roscelin/wsb.html Sorry for the intrusion. In the Service of the Dream, Roscelin de Limoges _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 16:39:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29407 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:39:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75KSsE06290; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:28:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75KSqW26853; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:28:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75KGdW20022 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0E009P60BQU7@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings In-reply-to: <20020805074451.90741.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020805122541.00db2730@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020804145837.UWGA16779.out005.verizon.net@out005> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:28:59 -0700 Status: RO >I disagree. It doesn't affect my research in any particularly big way. It >wasn't that the colonies particularly affected the motherland regarding dress, >but vice versa. What about all that cotton coming in from the American South? I''d think that affected something, especially after the cotton gin was invented and made cotton really cheap. (I'm talking effect here, not whether or not you care about one particular period or country.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 16:55:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29561 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:55:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75KifE08137; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75KidW05953; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:44:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75KUZW27870 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:30:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805203034.18375.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:30:34 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <182.c2c00d8.2a802db6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:30:34 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > Remember the movie they made of "Hair" [Dreadful. I know] I absolutely love that film. Not dreadful at all! In my opinion anyway. > together now. No one would wear a T-shirt and a blazer in the 60s. [A > turtleneck maybe] Lots of turtlenecks in London. Colin was an artist and arts teacher in the 60s here in London and he said he wore them all the time because it was not establishment and very fashionable amongst such people. > I saw an episode of "Square Pegs" late the other night. The clothes were > period. The 80s is now period. And of course the [big] hair and make up. And > shoulder pads... It is frightening to think my haitsyle or clothes or shoes would be classified as 'vintage' on ebay now. *shudder* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 17:05:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29644 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:05:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75KscE09106; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:54:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75KsXW11537; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:54:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75KixW06157 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Mon Aug 05 15:44:57 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:44:57 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g75KixW06157 Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance faires in the US Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:44:56 -0500 Status: RO In regards to the costumes - all employees furnish their own costumes. They have to be approved by the costume mavens. Our faire is more of a theatrical presentation, so we are not held to strict historical accuracy. But the costume mavens try to keep us under control. (Right, Catherine?) ;-) Sheryl Nance-Durst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good explaination of the KC renfaire Sheryl :). However the level of historical accuracy in the costuming comes and goes at the whim of the Entertainment Director, which can be frustrating (and part of the reason I am not a 'maven' this year). I was going to send these websites to Nicole but in case anyone else is interested: This is the photogallery from the KC performers webpage: http://www.cobrahq.com/kcrfperformers/Photo_Gallery/photo_gallery.htm and the reason there are all the underwear shots is because the Court rehearses in their underwear :). Heat index in this area was 110 last weekend, that's a little hard on the costumes so they try and save them for the first couple of weekends when it will still be pretty hot. At the bottom of the page is a link to Mike Strange's website which also contains a lot of photos from last season. http://jmsphoto.net/KCRF/. Yes, that is Robin Hood and the Merry Men. Yes, the King is Henry VIII. No, they didn't really come up with a good reason to mix the two except that the ED wanted it, sigh. Nicole; renfaires here in the states are lots of fun, if you ever get to this side of the pond let us know and I'm sure someone can find one for you to visit. In the meantime, I really hope someone will post pics from Kirby (hint, hint, hint :) ). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 17:21:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29755 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:21:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75LAAE10872; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:10:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75LA6W20886; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:10:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75KxTW14269 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805205929.319.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:59:29 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Thanks to everyone sending explanations Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:59:29 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Thanks indeed, that was most enlightening! I never knew all that about ren faires and I always thought that a ren faire was an SCA gathering. (whooops, sorry SCA'lers) I also got a lot more info about overseas, which is really appreciated. On top of it all I have been enjoying myself browsing through the suggested sites. Some lovely costumes on there. Thanks for taking the time to explain everything Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 18:28:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30667 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:28:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75MBpE20440; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:12:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75MB6W01772; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75LgLW10785 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:42:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.168] (as3-4-182.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.168]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g75LgJg20264 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <12a.153f01a4.2a802b47@aol.com> References: <12a.153f01a4.2a802b47@aol.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] "old" in America Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:00:12 -0700 Status: RO At 3:25 PM -0400 8/5/02, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/5/2002 12:52:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >gailscott@eos.net writes: > >>PS: We have 50 states. >> > > >We won't make Puerto Rico a state because no one can figure out a >good way to arrange 51 stars on the flag. > I know it wasn't meant seriously, but the natural arrangement for 51 stars would be six rows alternating eight and nine stars each. It's an amusing exercise to come up with reasonably symmetric arrangements for each possible increment. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 00:10:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32749 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:10:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g763k3E16230; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g760n1128656; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g760c9124003 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:38:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a224.in-tch.com [66.62.107.24]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g760O1900245 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4F1BCE.C699141F@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "old" in America References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:43:58 -0600 Status: RO Aaackkkk!! Don't tell me *that*....you'll scare me right out of going! --Sue, small-town girl extraordinaire.... Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > Sue Cleminger wrote: > > "When I fly into London at the end of the month, it will be the largest > city I've ever been in! " > > Don't forget, Sue, that London is one of the largest cities in the world, so > it's the largest city a lot of people have ever been in! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 02:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24966 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:46:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g766a8L09530; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76183105474; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g760qM129823 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pool-63.53.187.52.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.187.52]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bsaC-00048V-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:52:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020805073337.30077.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020805073337.30077.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:59:23 -0700 Status: RO At 8:33 AM +0100 8/5/02, N Kipar wrote: >You are also right about the 16th century, or what American seem to call the >Renaissance, which, technically and art historically isn't the Renaissance at >all. :-) There is almost nothing here, people doing the 1st person Tudor thing >at Kentwell but proper re-enactment? Friends do 16th century seamen, but >otherwise even if I had a costume from Margo's patterns, I wouldn't know >whereand when to wear it. *pout* My theory on this (and Nicole, you can tell me if it makes sense! ) is that the reason there's so little 16th century re-enactment in Britain is that there was no WAR there at the time -- all the fighting was someplace else. Therefore, there is no reason for *men* to do re-enactment, since guys always want to be soldiers..... ! (Now I KNOW that's not literally true -- as witness the number of men who enjoy other things besides soldiering -- but it does seem to me that that's how a lot of re-enactment groups got there start, so maybe it's harder to get one going without that element?) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 02:46:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25070 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:46:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g766aDL09565; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:36:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g765dpT18313; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:39:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g765IqT08723 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a234.in-tch.com [66.62.107.34]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7654i924603 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4F5D9B.875D8991@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Nifty thing for 16th c. types.... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 23:24:43 -0600 Status: RO While digging around on the Lacis website (www.lacis.com/catalog), I found nice, metal pomanders being used as thread holders for tatters, of all things . They come in silver-plated, or polished brass, are 3" in diameter, have a number of perforations, and are hinged, so they can be opened and closed. I haven't ordered one (yet ;-), but they look nice.... I found them in the notions>thread holders section of the catalogue. The perforations might want to let powdery stuff escape, but they'd be great for some of the more appropriate "solid" scents. --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 02:48:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25900 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:48:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g766c9L11333; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:38:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g761E5107595; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:14:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76115103001 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-209.246.68.234.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([209.246.68.234] helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bsid-0004NN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:01:04 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4F1FE2.5000708@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thanks to everyone sending explanations References: <20020805205929.319.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:01:22 -0400 Status: RO Speaking of SCA gatherings, is anyone going to Pennsic? I'm pretty new in the SCA - much newer than on this list - and this is my first Pennsic. If you are there this coming Saturday, I should be helping at Poison Pen Press that afternoon. (Costume and cooking books! *G*) so say hello. I earnestly hope I will be wearing a rather bright blue Gothic Gown... I should be able to finish it this week... though much of the time I'll be in borrowed finery, so, if I'm wearing anything else, just ignore it... *G* Some quite pretty, but not my work. Well, OK, also a blue kirtle based on Drea's instructions, but I have to put it back together, too. Why did I decide the bodice needed alterations? It's been my only dress for the year I've been going to events, should have left well enough alone, then I'd at least own one dress... As I said, I'm new - I'm still not used to the idea of sewing for myself. Why would I make garments for me? I'm not going to be on a stage... I've never been to one of the big Ren Faires... Anne N Kipar wrote: >Thanks indeed, that was most enlightening! I never knew all that about ren >faires and I always thought that a ren faire was an SCA gathering. (whooops, >sorry SCA'lers) I also got a lot more info about overseas, which is really >appreciated. On top of it all I have been enjoying myself browsing through the >suggested sites. Some lovely costumes on there. > >Thanks for taking the time to explain everything > >Nicole > > >__ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 02:51:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27394 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:51:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g766f7L14193; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75N50108644; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f69.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Mvi103984 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:57:38 -0700 Received: from 65.70.197.108 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:57:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.70.197.108] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 22:57:38.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F1D7C40:01C23CD3] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:57:38 +0000 Status: RO Western Wear is very popular here in Texas too - boots, big belt buckles, Wrangler jeans (a particular brand that tends to be very tight - "Wrangler butts drive me nuts!" was what a girl said to me once.) with a faded circle on one of the back pockets where the chewing tobacco tin goes. I know a lot of people here who wear their boots and cowboy hat with their best suits and a silk tie, and this "uniform" is regularly seen at the Courthouse and Capitol building when the legislature is in session. Mary/Katerine (whose own personal wardrobe runs more to MidWestern conservative - simple, tailored clothing with almost no floral or frills, and lots of black in a New York and not Goth way.) >My parents have been out West a couple of times to New Mexico and Arizona, >and my mother reports that people there really do wear "Western Wear" -- >cowboy shirts, tiered ruffled skirts, bolo ties, etc. Those things are sold >here but I don't know where anyone wears them -- to Western themed parties, >maybe? > >Gail Finke > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:20:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10281 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:20:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g767AVL28843; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g766onT17548; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:50:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75JSDW23856 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.cc.f9aaba8 (17526) for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:28:03 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cc.f9aaba8.2a802bc2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:28:02 EDT Status: RO --part1_cc.f9aaba8.2a802bc2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/2002 1:57:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: > I still don't get it -- Hawaiian shirts in > Florida? > Well, they wear cowboy hats in Hawaii..... so...... --part1_cc.f9aaba8.2a802bc2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/2002 1:57:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gailscott@eos.net writes:


I still don't get it -- Hawaiian shirts in
Florida?


Well, they wear cowboy hats in Hawaii..... so......
--part1_cc.f9aaba8.2a802bc2_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:21:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10516 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:21:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g767B0L29338; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g766p0T17591; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75JjvW03457 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:45:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805194555.25256.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:45:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:45:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > > These are all coming up really small on my browser, but I'm not sure I > can see any of these as separate triangular pieces twinned with coifs - > they just look like headscarves or similar tied very low. Am I missing > something vital? No you are not missing anything vital, this was exactly the point and question, are these even forehead cloths? Also, the triangular piece wouldn't hang into the forehead, but the other edge. Oh, and yes, the pix were small, they are details from paintings. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:24:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12410 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:24:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g767E2L01135; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75NAe111790; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f88.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75MlW126584 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:47:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:47:27 -0700 Received: from 65.70.197.108 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:47:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.70.197.108] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "old" in America Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 22:47:27.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[12C0F730:01C23CD2] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:47:27 +0000 Status: RO The Cincinnati Art Museum (http://www.cincinnatiartmuseum.org) has their Saque back gown online along with some other pre-1800 textiles, and if I remember correctly, they have 10 Worth Gowns in their collection. According to some of my friends who are interested in Islamic Art, their Near East collection is one of the best in the Country. Mary/Katerine (who has a soft spot for the CAM as she was a regular visitor back when she was a Starving College Student at Northern Kentucky University and the CAM offered free admission on Saturdays. I miss the trees in Eden Park.) For instance in >Cincinnati we have had a very good art museum since the 1800s (mostly >European works -- usually a small clothing exhibit on display) >Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:33:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22443 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:33:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g767MrL01960; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:22:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g767MpT29745; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:22:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75KGeW20028 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0E009P60BQU7@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020805123430.00d9e4d0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200208041812.g74ICmF14829@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:48:21 -0700 Status: RO >Anne is right, we do dress differently in the different states. I live in the San Francisco Bay area (the solidly urbanized area all around that body of water), and I couldn't agree with you more. And don't forget age, philosophical, and ethnic differences which affect what people, even in the same area, wear. Than there are the foreigners here in California on work visas, some of whom (or their wives) still wear their homeland clothes. There must be 50 saree shops in the Bay Area, and plenty of Black African and Japanese ones, all selling imported ethnic fabric and garments. >We also have >many different accents, although they are not as distinct as British >accents! If you watch commercial American TV you might think there are only >about four or five accents. But one of the things I like about listening to >debates in congress is that you get to hear so many different regional >accents. There are more American accents on American TV than there were 30 years ago. Then, TV-people all went for a bland so-called 'midwestern' accent. Now the American viewer can hear regional and ethnic accents too. These accents are creeping into situation comedies, and will certainly be exported eventually, if not sooner. >In Cincinnati Ohio, where I live, people dress very dully. T-shirts and >jeans most of the time, and even when we dress up it's boring. In Berkeley and San Francisco, large numbers of people dress in t-shirts and jeans, altho the number of, how shall I say, 'sartorial individualists' is much greater here. I spend time in both 'camps'. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:37:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29374 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:37:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75MqxE28746; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:54:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75MqO100430; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:52:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f222.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75MS7W13433 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:28:01 -0700 Received: from 65.70.197.108 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:28:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.70.197.108] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 22:28:01.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BF7F9B0:01C23CCF] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:28:01 +0000 Status: RO They just celebrated Bastille Day at the French Legation here in Austin, Texas. France was the only country to set up an Embassy during the Republic, and the building is now a Museum. (very small). Don't know if they did it in costume - hmm...another period to costume for...? heh heh heh (wide grin) Mary/Katerine > > Texas became an independent country and did not become part of the >United > > States until Dec, 1845. > >The Texan Embassy building in London still exists, >and is now a *very* good restaurant, serving "Texan" >food. Yet more info can be found all over its walls. > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:38:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30589 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:38:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g766j3L17834; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g760sO100675; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:54:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g760i2126623 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a224.in-tch.com [66.62.107.24]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g760Tr902397 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4F1D31.CD23EF12@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings References: <20020804145837.UWGA16779.out005.verizon.net@out005> <4.3.1.2.20020805122541.00db2730@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:49:53 -0600 Status: RO I'd think that'd be affecting a different time period than what Nicole concentrates on. --sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > What about all that cotton coming in from the American South? I''d think > that affected something, especially after the cotton gin was invented and > made cotton really cheap. > > (I'm talking effect here, not whether or not you care about one particular > period or country.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@INDRA.COM Tue Aug 6 03:42:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA03061 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:42:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75N3xE01053; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Lv4W20999; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:57:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f118.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.118]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75LdkW09055 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:39:41 -0700 Received: from 65.70.197.108 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:39:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.70.197.108] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@INDRA.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 21:39:41.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B31C090:01C23CC8] Subject: [h-cost] H-Cost Yellow Women (was:Re: State History Museums) Sender: h-costume-admin@INDRA.COM Errors-To: h-costume-admin@INDRA.COM X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@INDRA.COM List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:39:41 +0000 Status: RO And in some places, like New Orleans Creole society, the Mulattoes, Quadroons (1/4 black), and Octoroons (1/8 black), were frequently "kept women", as it was prohibited by law for a white and a person of "mixed blood" (not aure how diluted that blood could get for the law to still apply) to marry. However, according to legend there, if you were pale enough to "pass" and had the money, you could create the documents (like a birth certificate) to "prove' you were white. So a corrolary between "Yellow Rose" and prostitute isn't too far off... Mary/Katerine > >On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Ron Carnegie wrote: > > > Curious, my understanding was that a "Yellow Rose" was a mulatto > > woman. > >IIRC the question first arose because someone was trying to connect yellow >with prostitutes in some particular time/place, and someone else asked >about the "Yellow Rose," who was presumably a prostitute. A more informed >poster, whose identity I can't recall, explained that the so-called >"yellow girls" were called that because they mixed race (as you state), >and it wasn't a reference to the wearing of yellow. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:49:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11934 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:49:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g767csL02519; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:38:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g767cqT04139; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:38:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g767KBT29102 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0E00JS7V1LP4@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 00:20:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nifty thing for 16th c. types.... In-reply-to: <3D4F5D9B.875D8991@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020806001817.00e00ed0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 00:19:11 -0700 Status: RO >I found them in the notions>thread holders section of the catalogue. >The perforations might want to let powdery stuff escape, but they'd be >great for some of the more appropriate "solid" scents. Couldn't you just wrap powdered stuff in a cloth first, then put it inside the ball? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:50:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13310 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:50:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g765NPE11931; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g762Lu100513; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:21:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75EkNW18330 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020805144617.EHJT17636.out010.verizon.net@localhost> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:46:17 -0500 From: To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020805144617.EHJT17636.out010.verizon.net@localhost> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 9:46:17 -0500 Status: RO > > From: N Kipar > Date: 2002/08/05 Mon AM 02:33:37 CDT > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. > > --- FyneHats2@aol.com wrote: > . . What we don't have here is faires, that's > probaby because what we have is re-enactment. * Err... we have re-enactment AND faires in the U.S. I personally have re-enacted The U.S. Civil war, The American Revolution, the wild west, Elizabethan, English Civil War, World war I and World War II. I have seen reenactments stretching even farther, from Romans to the Russian invasion of Afghanistan! Reenacting is VERY strong in the U.S. with the larger Americn Civil War events having 15,000 or so on a side! The Civil War is the largest here. > You are also right about the 16th century, or what American seem to call the Renaissance, which, technically and art historically isn't the Renaissance at all. Of course the Renaissance was more than just an art movement, and is not always measured the same way by art historian's as it is by Science historians, or philosophy historians. In fact I have heard the Elizabethan period reffered to as the English Rennaisance. Still it matters little. The term Rennaisance Faire was created in error by Phyliss Patterson of the Living History Centre when what she had in mind was actually a neo-medeviel faire forty years ago. > Also, in England you are _NOT_ allowed to come in costume to a re-enactment event, only invited and participating re-enactment groups and societies. All visitors must be dressed mundanely. This is generally the case here in the U.S. as well, at reenactments I mean. Even more so when the event is attached to a museum. Where I work is an exception, since the streets are public. As long as they are not indecent, we have no control over what visitors chosse to wear. I remain, Ron _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:54:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20006 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:54:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g767i7L02664; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g767i6T05334; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:44:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g767VTT02401 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806073129.23303.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:31:29 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:31:29 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Chris Laning wrote: > > My theory on this (and Nicole, you can tell me if it makes sense! > ) is that the reason there's so little 16th century re-enactment > in Britain is that there was no WAR there at the time -- all the > fighting was someplace else. > Therefore, there is no reason for *men* to do re-enactment, since > guys always want to be soldiers..... ! *laughs* You're right. Yep, that sounds very plausible indeed. They want to play in their 'boys clubs' and apart from that it's a cheap hobby then. Just one uniform (cheap for ECW and ACW) and a shooty stick, and boy do they love their shooty sticks. hehehe. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 04:05:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01310 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:05:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g767t0L03022; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:55:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g767sxT07799; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:54:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75KGeW20037 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0E009P60BQU7@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:16:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:12:35 -0700 Status: RO I used to be of the opinion that, since the advent of the universal Westernization of world clothing, any genuine ethnic garment that is still being worn is historical. But garments like sarees and Palestinian dresses are instances of non-Western historical styles which are still evolving - still being designed, made, and worn. Sarees are now available in polyester, with modern designs printed on them (in Japan). Palestinian dresses are sometimes made with Palestinian nationalistic designs cross-stitched on them. The cross-stitch designs on these garments over the years, whether traditional or from Western pattern books, has evolved in ways even a dilettante Palestinian cross-stitch fan like myself can notice. I notice the same modernization of style in otherwise fossilized garments like festival and folk dance costumes (European or Asian), American square dance dresses, and Ren. Faire garments (picture old-time Faire folk, still wearing 'Hippie-Renaissance' bodices from the 60s, with lots of floral braid trim). Does anyone have opinions on this? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 04:21:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25143 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:21:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g768ApL04098; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g768AoT11414; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:10:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75KWfW29105 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:32:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805203240.31862.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:32:40 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020805122541.00db2730@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:32:40 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >I disagree. It doesn't affect my research in any particularly big way. It > >wasn't that the colonies particularly affected the motherland regarding > dress, > >but vice versa. > > What about all that cotton coming in from the American South? I''d think > that affected something, especially after the cotton gin was invented and > made cotton really cheap. Dear, IF you had read my post carefully you would have seen that I said exactly that. I also said that I have not yet started to get deeply into the period use of cotton yet (and all that has to do with it), but I shall come to that. > (I'm talking effect here, not whether or not you care about one particular > period or country.) As I said, please read the entire mail. Thank you. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 04:53:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA09479 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:53:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g768h4L05068; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g768h1T18823; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g768VoT16430 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17028.; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:31:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:29:59 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g768VoT16430 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:29:28 +0100 Status: RO (Catching up on posts after being out of the office most of Monday) Welcome to the list, Helen. I do living history with the SK (used to be a musketeer and then a drummer) and also belong to a period music group, an offshoot of the SK, now independent, the Generalls Musick and Players. I've seen forehead cloths illustrated in the Cunnington book as belonging with the early style of coif, but I've no idea when and why they were worn. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 05:29:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09565 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:29:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g769JDL06154; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:19:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g769JBT11893; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7694OT23979 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:04:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19046.; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:05:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:04:23 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7694OT23979 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:04:19 +0100 Status: RO Jean wrote: Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> I'm not sure how officially Wales ever was integrated (anyone Welsh here?) Hang on, my book here says "by the Statute of Wales of 1284 (under Edward I) the area was transferred to the King's dominion". I'm not Welsh (though I did go to university there) and no medievalist, but wasn't it Edward I who made his baby son Prince of Wales after promising the Welsh a prince who could speak no English? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 05:41:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09610 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:41:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g769V9L06407; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g769V4T27740; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g769FBT28961 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:15:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19652.; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:16:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:15:09 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g769FBT28961 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:14:38 +0100 Status: RO Nicole wrote: >There is almost nothing here, people doing the 1st person Tudor thing >at Kentwell but proper re-enactment? Friends do 16th century seamen, but >otherwise even if I had a costume from Margo's patterns, I wouldn't know >whereand when to wear it. *pout8 There's "The Tudor Group" as well - they do big civilian displays at Kirby. >Also, in England you are _NOT_ allowed to come in costume to a re->enactment event, only invited and participating re-enactment groups and >societies. Yes, that's the norm, although the SK did once do an event at Stony Stratford for which the locals attempted to dress up too. It made for a great community atmosphere. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 05:45:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09636 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:45:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g769ZaL06546; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g769ZZT28783; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g769RYT26821 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:27:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0ACA31E1F04; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:27:31 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, Wales From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020806092731.0ACA31E1F04@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:27:30 BST Status: RO > I'm not sure how officially Wales ever was integrated (anyone Welsh > here?) Hang on, my book here says "by the Statute of Wales of 1284 > (under Edward I) the area was transferred to the King's dominion". Looks like it got integrated more than once, according to a quick Google search. * Romano-British territory (Roman Citizenship granted 212AD). * Independent more-or-less co-operative kingdoms and principalities 400AD to 13th Century. * Partial Norman occupation 11th, 12th and 13th centuries. Anglo-Normans recognise Principality of Wales in Treaty of Montgomery, 1267. * Treaty broken and Wales made Dominion of English King 1282-1535, ruled by King's officials and marcher lords (Statute of Rhyddlan, 1294). * Independent Principality 1400-1416 under Owain Glyndwr. * Unilateral Act of Union annexes ``Our Dominion, Principality and Countrey of Wales'' with Kingdom of England (1535-1707). * Constituent of Kingdom of Great Britain (1707-1801) and United Kingdom (from 1801). * Gradual transfer of powers from UK parliament and ministries from 1951 (formation of Ministry of Welsh Affairs), 1964 (Secretary of State for Wales and Welsh Office), 1997 (successful referendum for devolved democratic assembly), 1999 (foundation of National Assembly for Wales with autonomous administrative duties and secondary legislative powers). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 06:21:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09750 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:21:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76AB6L07539; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:11:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76A75T05843; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g769rgT02979 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806095342.33350.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:53:42 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:53:42 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > > > There's "The Tudor Group" as well - they do big civilian displays at Kirby. Ooops, yep, I didn't mean to forget them, and a couple members are even friends. *L* they only do working people though, and don't allow upper class, how boooooooooooring costume wise. :-) > Yes, that's the norm, although the SK did once do an event at Stony Stratford > for which the locals attempted to dress up too. It made for a great community > atmosphere. That's very sweet, reminds me of a few kiddies dressing up as 'Anglo-saxon warriors etc.' coming to West Stow. So cute! Dad's pyjama top belted as a tunic, an old curtain as a cloak, a stick as a sword, I love it! It reminds me so much of myself as a kiddie and that vast imagination that ran wild. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 06:26:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09769 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:26:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76AGEL07676; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76ACCT06863; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:12:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10307.mail.yahoo.com (web10307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g769slT03167 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:54:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806095447.59513.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.140.155.161] by web10307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:54:47 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208051750.g75Ho4W00691@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1217561812-1028627687=:59365" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Kirby Hall - History in Action Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:54:47 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-1217561812-1028627687=:59365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Will almost definitely be in the beer tent at some point on Friday night (although when depends on how long it takes to set up the Conquest site, after the kit van arrives from Bristol!) Will probably be wearing jeans and t-shirt (barbour and wellies if it rains)! Debbie. >I have a couple packages of rings, just have to remmeber to take them with me! >Will you be there in the beertent on Friday evening? I think I won't get into >kit (nah, too much trouble) but I am pondering to get into my original 1950s >British Red Cross Nurse uniform on Friday, but coupled with Army issue jungle >boots coz I don't have the proper shoes yet and who knows, it might be muddy >and wet... :-) >So when you see someone in a primly starched pale blue uniform sans headdress >(don't have that one either yet) and gleaming white pinafore and apron, but >with scruffy black boots, that's me. hehe. >Nicole --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-1217561812-1028627687=:59365 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Will almost definitely be in the beer tent at some point on Friday night (although when depends on how long it takes to set up the Conquest site, after the kit van arrives from Bristol!)

Will probably be wearing jeans and t-shirt (barbour and wellies if it rains)!

Debbie.

>I have a couple packages of rings, just have to remmeber to take them with me!
>Will you be there in the beertent on Friday evening? I think I won't get into
>kit (nah, too much trouble) but I am pondering to get into my original 1950s
>British Red Cross Nurse uniform on Friday, but coupled with Army issue jungle
>boots coz I don't have the proper shoes yet and who knows, it might be muddy
>and wet... :-)
>So when you see someone in a primly starched pale blue uniform sans headdress
>(don't have that one either yet) and gleaming white pinafore and apron, but
>with scruffy black boots, that's me. hehe.

>Nicole



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http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-1217561812-1028627687=:59365-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 06:48:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09836 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:48:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76Ac3L08392; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Ac1T12233; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76ALuT08892 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:21:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806102155.3086.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:21:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020806095447.59513.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:21:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Debbie Lough wrote: > > Will almost definitely be in the beer tent at some point on Friday night > (although when depends on how long it takes to set up the Conquest site, > after the kit van arrives from Bristol!) Same here, have to pick up a member/friend from the train station at around 7. Poor Tash (if I may toot her horn, she is one of the almost non-existent black re-enactors in the UK) has done her back in badly and can't hoik her stuff around very much. > Will probably be wearing jeans and t-shirt (barbour and wellies if it rains)! > > Debbie. I hope I'll remember the button rings! I'll be in the 50s red cross uniform and if it rains with a cameo army issue rain jacket on top of it. *L* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 07:34:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10002 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:34:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76BOXL09956; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76BOVT22583; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g768xmT22812 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:59:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.179]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g768wI007276 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:58:18 +1000 Message-ID: <1b5601c23d27$5d7d3220$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:57:55 +1000 Status: RO I'll add my tuppence worth on this.. I'm wondering if they were used similarly to the later periods - around the house for cooking/cleaning/undress. I have no research pointing either way for this, though :-( It just seems that it's easier because coifs tend to be more difficult to wear when working for me. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 07:35:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10009 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:35:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76BOsL09970; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:24:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76BOrT22652; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:24:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7690pT23074 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:00:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18869.; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:01:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:00:50 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7690pT23074 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:00:29 +0100 Status: RO Kayta wrote: >>As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into >>clothing/costuming/historical stuff? >My mother knew I liked dressing up in costumes when I was little (what >Americans call dressing up, not what dressing up means in the UK), and she got me Davenport's history of costume book, still my favourite. I'm not sure what you think "dressing up" means in the UK, but to me as a child it meant playing with old clothes or unusual garments kept for the purpose. When, later, I heard that someone had started a society where grown-ups could dress up as historical characters, I thought it sounded wonderful. Personally, I dislike sewing, but like to have period costumes to wear! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 07:48:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10063 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:48:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76BcVL10373; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:38:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76BcTT25631; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:38:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Hm9W29399 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:48:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17blxf-00009E-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:48:07 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action References: <20020804135142.66277.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <001f01c23bd3$9dfdf640$6d2986d9@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <001f01c23bd3$9dfdf640$6d2986d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:16:56 +0100 Status: RO Anybody fancy a tea-party? Maybe about half to an hour after closing - time enough to close up, but not so late as to interfere with your beer-tent enjoyment? Jean Helen Partner wrote >Hello All > >Anyone fancy meeting up at KH? We're (daughters and myself) not >"performing" but will probably get "in kit" (weather and baby-permitting) >for some of the time, so our time is our own. Our group is finished by 1pm. >Any takers? >Regards > >Helen >----- Original Message ----- >From: "N Kipar" >To: >Sent: 04 August 2002 14:51 >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action > > >> --- Helen Partner wrote: > Morning all, >> > >> > Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? >> > >> > Regards >> > Helen >> >> >> Hi Helen, yes I will be going. As far as I know Teddy, Mel, Jean and Kate >are >> going too. >> >> Nicole >> >> ===== >> Nicole Kipar M.A. >> Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >> Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >> URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >> Email: marquis@kipar.org >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Everything you'll ever need on one web page >> from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >> http://uk.my.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 07:49:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10067 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:49:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76BcxL10393; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:38:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76BcwT25746; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HmBW29436 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17blxi-00009a-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:48:10 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings References: <4.3.1.2.20020804113245.00c5ece0@mail.frys.com> <20020804194016.53655.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020804194016.53655.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:14:44 +0100 Status: RO N Kipar wrote > --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >> I've heard rumors that the Germans are big into the American Wild West (and >> into 1950s American 'modern' furniture). > >I'm German, but I don't have a clue! Have never ever heard of that, so I don't >know if it is just a wild rumour or true. > >Funny though that in the UK there seem to be more American Civil war >re-enactors than English Civil war re-enactors. *LOL* Ahh, but maybe one has to >count all the Commonwealth ones, apparently there are quite a few English Civil >war re-enactors in Australia and New Zealand? > >Nicole > Something we realised when some Australians joined our group, is that most British medieval re-enactors are interested in linking to their local history - for example, where I grew up had strong links to Henry VIII, so I originally went for Tudor. Several of our Saxon members used the Saxon names of their hometowns for "surnames". When you come from somewhere that doesn't have [European-based] history that far back, you can just choose what you like - the Australians did mainly Byzantine, but one was thinking of going Hungarian just for the glorious clothes. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 08:08:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10191 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:08:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76BvdL11170; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:57:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76BvWT00269; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:57:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76BhmT26934 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:43:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806114347.7469.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:43:47 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:43:47 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Anybody fancy a tea-party? Maybe about half to an hour after closing - > time enough to close up, but not so late as to interfere with your > beer-tent enjoyment? > > Jean Whoohoo, super idea Jean, may I have coffee instead though? 6:30? I also have to grab something to eat, get out of the mantua first (no WAY do i go in that into the beer tent :-) get into a different set of kit, etc. Should be possible to do before 3:30-45 Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 08:24:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10346 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:24:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76CEKL11757; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:14:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76CEJT04157; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:14:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76BlUT27828 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:47:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806114729.9597.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:47:29 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Byzantine & Russian, was Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:47:29 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > > Something we realised when some Australians joined our group, is that > most British medieval re-enactors are interested in linking to their > local history - for example, where I grew up had strong links to Henry > VIII, so I originally went for Tudor. Several of our Saxon members used > the Saxon names of their hometowns for "surnames". You are so right. My 'persona' is German and married to an Englishman, and we are Earl and Countes of Brompton (because we live in ld Brompton and Frances Stuart was Lady Cobham which is round the corner) and my name is 'von Hardenberg', because I grew up in the Hardenberg Street and Graf von Hardenberg was a proper title. *L* When you come from > somewhere that doesn't have [European-based] history that far back, you > can just choose what you like - the Australians did mainly Byzantine, > but one was thinking of going Hungarian just for the glorious clothes. Ohhhh, Byzantine! I love it, the OTT aristocratic clothing. Now that we are tinkering to go do a few bits with Teddy's far isles I could finally make some Byzantine stuff. And Russian, oh how beautiful the clothes look, and with my Russian ancestors... I just love sumptuous fabrics. Just look at the fabulous creations below. http://medievalrussia.freeservers.com/dress.html Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 09:08:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11183 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:08:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76CwQL13587; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76CwET15648; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40016.mail.yahoo.com (web40016.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.56]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76CaeT09726 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:36:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806123634.41193.qmail@web40016.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40016.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:36:34 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:36:34 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Oh yes, yes, yes! > > I will be with the Normans, Nicole is L'Age d'Or, Kate Bunting will be > in the house playing music and Teddy is going with Paladins of Chivalry. > > > Anyone else? > wish I was going now. The Tudor Group is going to be there but I thought I'd give it a pass this year, afterall I have my lovely doublet to finish before the commissions for next season start coming in. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 09:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11233 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:10:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76CxtL13698; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:59:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Cx8T15924; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40014.mail.yahoo.com (web40014.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76CdKT10387 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:39:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806123914.25077.qmail@web40014.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40014.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:39:14 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4D560F.10805@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:39:14 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- A F Murphy wrote: > LOL! Now that, I can tell you... > Only people from England are English. People from Scotland are Scots, > people from Wales are Welsh, but they are all British. People from > Northern Ireland are from the UK, and subjects of the Queen, but they > are not British. > > Anne Anne, The term British actually refers to people living in the British Isles (England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Isle of Mann, Silly Isles etc etc). So the Irish are as British as the rest of us. Southern Ireland (eire) doesn't belong to Great Britain but they are still British. Now are you suitably confused yet? Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 09:24:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11527 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:24:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76DEYL14458; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76DEXT20716; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:14:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca.uwaterloo.ca (IDENT:fashion@sca.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.56.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76D1qT16822 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from fashion@localhost) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11265 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:11:44 -0400 From: Eric Praetzel Message-Id: <200208061311.JAA11265@sca.uwaterloo.ca> To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0pre8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] H-costume search engine Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi All, **** My old search engine is now fixed. ***** I'm just back from vacation. Christine has been kind enough to forward some mail about my search engine at: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives I mistakenly broke the old search engine and it is now fixed. I will probably not disable the old search engine - unless it is providing too much of a load on my server. I'll clarify the difference between the two search engines: New Engine: It builds a catalog of all Subject lines and Senders. You can search by Subject and Sender ONLY. All postings get "cleaned". ie advertisments and other annoying things get striped. I tweak the cleaning engine now and then and I know that it does have some small problems. If you have searches that give you very strange postings please forward me the exact search phrase that you used. Note: The new search engine uses Unix Regular Expressions - they're very powerfull - but it doesn't make sense to many people. Still it lets you search for exact words or phrases. Search times (and load on my server) are about 100x to 1000x faster. I have been playing with using a database - but droped that for lack of time. Old Search Engine: The old search engine searches _EVERYTHING_. It doesn't just search the Subject line - but all of the text in all messages. That is in the original archives - not my "cleaned" ones. This can be quite a load (briefly) on my server - and it means that you'll often get tons and tons of hits. It also doesn't offer any easy way to go exactly to that one message - or to easily bringing up postings with the same subject or from the same author. In both cases all of the text of the original postings is available. But I have not linked that from the web. You can easily get to it with a path such as: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos99 That will list all postings from the 1999 h-costume directory. Each file is for one month worth of postings. hco00 is 2000, hcos02 is 2002 etc etc. Files that end in .cl are the "cleaned" ones. Note: On at least one occasion in the past someone has broken into the h-costume list-server and stolen the entire list of people and their email addresses. I use this email account for nothing except recieving email from this one list-server; and I get lots of spam (which is now automatically filtered so that it doesn't get into the archives). In case you are wondering where some of your spam comes from - that is one place. Here are some recent pieces of spam that I've gotten because the security of the list serve was broken. Subject: Clean your credit right from your computer! 28658 Subject: Want to increase your penis size! ? Subject: HELP THE CHILDREEN 9123kSPD3-094uBNh7054j-21 Subject: Powerful Tool For Manufacturers/Job Shops Subject: Is this unclaimed money yours? 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Subject: Fw: Debt Solving Solution as promised - Eric _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 09:29:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11620 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:29:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76DJFL14684; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76DJFT22053; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40007.mail.yahoo.com (web40007.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76CvMT15437 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806125716.6014.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:57:16 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020804113742.00e05cd0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:57:16 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Well I have always sown, first embroidery from about the age of three onwards and I got my first sewing machine when I was about 6 (it was a toy but you could sew with it). History has always been a part of my life. We were always being taken to some Stately home to look round or to an exhibition. In England you just can't really avoid it, the town where I lived from 3-24 has some wonderful Roman remains as well as everything in between (Saxon churches, Norman Abbey, medieval street, Tudor Inn and so on). My love for Tudor costume didn't really explode until my dad took me to an exhibition at the Royal Martime Museum in Grenwich (London) celebrating 400 years since we gave the Spanish a hiding (Armada). When you are gazing at portrait upon portrait of Elizabeth I you can't help but be bowled over by the costumes. I didn't really get into Living History until last year. I have always done historically accurate embroidery but decided that I'd like a better forum for it, and so I joined the Tudor Group. This is my first complete season and it is just wonderful. I have started on a blackwork cushion that will take the next four years or so to finish (its 3ft by 1.5ft!) but it will be worth every stitch. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 09:33:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11715 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:33:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76DNML14922; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76DNLT23386; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:23:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76D4aT17680 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:04:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806130422.17884.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:04:22 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020806123634.41193.qmail@web40016.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:04:22 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Oh yes, yes, yes! > wish I was going now. The Tudor Group is going to be there but I thought I'd > give it a pass this > year, afterall I have my lovely doublet to finish before the commissions for > next season start > coming in. It may be the last time though rachel, it doesn't look too good for Kirby I think. EH gets rid of their national events organisation, and it will all be run regionally. Let us all cross our fingers it will take place again next year! ...and that the blasted weather is better than what it is right now.... *sigh* Nicole - who knows that silk brocade and rain do NOT mix. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 09:43:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11941 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:43:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76DWnL15439; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:32:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76DWmT26301; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:32:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76DJeT22174 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:19:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a247.in-tch.com [66.62.107.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g76D5Y904069 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4FCE4D.8E40BF54@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nifty thing for 16th c. types.... References: <4.3.1.2.20020806001817.00e00ed0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 07:25:33 -0600 Status: RO Oh, yeah, duh! I didn't think of that, but then, what I want to play with is a period-appropriate solid stuff I got the recipe for when I took Drea's class on Elizabethan stuff. --Sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >I found them in the notions>thread holders section of the catalogue. > >The perforations might want to let powdery stuff escape, but they'd be > >great for some of the more appropriate "solid" scents. > > Couldn't you just wrap powdered stuff in a cloth first, then put it inside > the ball? > > Kayta _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 10:27:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16942 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:27:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76EHQL18685; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76EHMh11058; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:17:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76DoST02118 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:50:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a247.in-tch.com [66.62.107.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g76DaF913684 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:36:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4FD57E.1CE0A093@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved References: <20020806125716.6014.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 07:56:14 -0600 Status: RO Oooh! Oooh! Another blackwork fiend! Welcome! My current project is multi-year, too, although it's for a shift for a costume....based on a couple of portraits I've been carefully gleaning over the years--the blackwork runs in stripes roughly 6 inches apart the full length of the shift. Sleeves (finished, thank god) are 22" x 4', and the front and back (in progress) are 45" x 4'. I based the dimensions roughly on the 17th c. Italian shift in _Cut My Cote_, with additional length in the sleeves to allow for poofing. What kind of design are you using for your cushion? I've seen a number of them that look pretty "leafy," with grape leaves and such, and all the filling patterns. Or are you doing flowers? If I ever get caught up on my clothing projects, I'd *love* to tackle some furnishings like you're doing! --Sue Rachel wrote: > > I didn't really get into Living History until last year. I have always done historically accurate > embroidery but decided that I'd like a better forum for it, and so I joined the Tudor Group. This > is my first complete season and it is just wonderful. I have started on a blackwork cushion that > will take the next four years or so to finish (its 3ft by 1.5ft!) but it will be worth every > stitch. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 10:36:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17135 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:36:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76EQDL19411; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:26:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76EQCh15132; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:26:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76DieT00429 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a247.in-tch.com [66.62.107.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g76DUC911691 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:30:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4FD413.FEEC030E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: References: <20020806123914.25077.qmail@web40014.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 07:50:11 -0600 Status: RO It occurs to me that there's a lot of the same confusion here in the western hemisphere....Canadians, people from the US, and Mexicans are all "Americans" in the sense that we're all on the continent of North America, but only those of us in the *United*States* of America tend to be referred to as "Americans." And then, of course (at least here in the US), you get all the ethnic hyphenations....African-American being the most commonly used to refer to people who's ethnic origins lie primarily in Africa, but there are Chinese-Americans, Vietnamese-Americans, German-Americans, Irish-Americans, etc. Seems to be used more often to refer to post 1st-generation people. "Native Americans" are the various tribes and nations of peoples who lived here well before the various European incursions (although I *have* heard that in Canada, they're referred to as "First Nations," which I kinda like ). --Sue, Northern-European-American-Mongrel Rachel wrote: > > --- A F Murphy wrote: > LOL! Now that, I can tell you... > > Only people from England are English. People from Scotland are Scots, > > people from Wales are Welsh, but they are all British. People from > > Northern Ireland are from the UK, and subjects of the Queen, but they > > are not British. > > > > Anne > > Anne, > > The term British actually refers to people living in the British Isles (England, Scotland, Wales, > Ireland, Isle of Mann, Silly Isles etc etc). So the Irish are as British as the rest of us. > Southern Ireland (eire) doesn't belong to Great Britain but they are still British. Now are you > suitably confused yet? > > Rachel > > ===== > Rachel > > Tudor Bibliography > http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 10:41:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17242 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:41:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76EVEL19811; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:31:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76EVDh17325; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf17bis.bellsouth.net (mail217.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.157]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76EE4h09365 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.85]) by imf17bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020806141531.OWDS9371.imf17bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:15:31 -0400 Message-ID: <00a801c23d53$1f8624a0$55144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:11:11 -0400 Status: RO And I live in the South. Born and raised in it. The land of Nascar. Hancock's has fabric printed with Nascar images (shudder). I think the standard uniform in North Carolina if you are not in Charlotte, Raleigh or Greensboro is a tank top (with Nascar image), jeans and a shotgun. Possibly a can of beer in your other hand. Ugh. Apollonia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 10:51:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17415 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:51:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76Ef6L20680; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:41:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Ef0h21984; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f270.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.145]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76EG3h10275 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:15:57 -0700 Received: from 80.3.160.4 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:15:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [80.3.160.4] From: "Joy Shillaker" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2002 14:15:57.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8AC2520:01C23D53] Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1145 - 13 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:15:57 +0000 Status: RO >This is really fascinating, completely different ways of thinking and >values. >200 year old things are considered to be quite modern and just vintage >here, at >least amongst the historians and curators that I know. Fascinating! >Thanks Mary, I'm flabbergasted. > >Nicole One of the archaeologists(spelling?) at Basing House described one of Basing's buildings as not very old. It was probably built during the rule of Elizabeth 1st! regards Joy _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 11:06:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17768 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:06:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76EtfL22089; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Etch29327; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76Ecuh21071 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:38:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806143855.28481.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:38:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00a801c23d53$1f8624a0$55144ed8@sgrochoski> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:38:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Apollonia Margherita wrote: > And I live in the South. Born and raised in it. The land of Nascar. > Hancock's has fabric printed with Nascar images (shudder). I think the > standard uniform in North Carolina if you are not in Charlotte, Raleigh or > Greensboro is a tank top (with Nascar image), jeans and a shotgun. Possibly > a can of beer in your other hand. Ugh. > > Apollonia Uhm, what is Nascar? Now I'm intrigued. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 11:10:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17911 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:10:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76F07L22578; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76F06h01809; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:00:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40004.mail.yahoo.com (web40004.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76Ej9h24148 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806144503.63938.qmail@web40004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:45:03 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020806095342.33350.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:45:03 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > > > > > There's "The Tudor Group" as well - they do big civilian displays at Kirby. > > Ooops, yep, I didn't mean to forget them, and a couple members are even > friends. *L* they only do working people though, and don't allow upper class, > how boooooooooooring costume wise. :-) > Hi Nicole Out of interest which members do you know (I'm a member of the TG myself). We only go as high as the low gentry, but that doesn't mean to say that some members don't go a little higher than that. Of course the problem comes with the cash to do it. No-one in the group can afford to do a completely accurate court costume (£15,000+ at the last estimate). Shame really as I'd love to embroider one myself. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 11:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18141 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:19:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76F93L23352; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76F93h06563; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76EoDh26638 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-63.210.209.15.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([63.210.209.15] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17c5f1-0007BX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 07:50:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4FE235.7060001@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020806073129.23303.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:50:29 -0400 Status: RO Cheap hobby? Ha! Don't know about England, but ACW? I dipped my toe into that pool once, 7 years ago, looking for a uniform cap for a one-man show. I found an entire world... In ACW reenacting, they don't play "A Union (or Confederate) Soldier." They join specific units, playing specific historic regiments, and reproduce their kit precisely. They get buttons made by the companies that made the originals. They get insignia from repro companies that provide the documentation. Different units and regiments had slightly different uniforms - wasn't really Government Issue yet - so the great source your friend found may not have what you need. A uniform isn't passed unless every single detail is exactly accurate to not simply the time, but a man of that rank coming from that town, in that regiment... there is no such thing as "Good Enough" or a ten foot rule. Then you start getting accessories... I mean, you're going to want to have some water during the battle, right? So you need the right thing to drink it from. You're going to mend a rip in your trousers that evening? Get the right needle... I don't know, there might be groups that aren't quite that - well, my fanaticism is their precision, so - precise. But I sure found the ones who were! Seems to me that, when I first joined this list, we had a few ACW people, but when I re-joined, after a hiatus, they had gone... Anne Who should be sewing, not writing to this list... N Kipar wrote: > >*laughs* You're right. Yep, that sounds very plausible indeed. They want to >play in their 'boys clubs' and apart from that it's a cheap hobby then. Just >one uniform (cheap for ECW and ACW) and a shooty stick, and boy do they love >their shooty sticks. hehehe. > >Nicole > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 11:19:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18157 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:19:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76F9GL23380; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76F9Fh06702; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:09:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40006.mail.yahoo.com (web40006.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.24]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76Et8h29091 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:55:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806145502.13471.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:55:02 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4FD57E.1CE0A093@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:55:02 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Hi Sue I also do costume embroidery, I have a commission for the embroidery on the men's shirt in the Museum of BAth, hence the barrage of emails over the last few weeks. The cushion cover is based on a number of different cushions and panels. The primary source for the design is a panel shown in Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe unlocked and I belive is at Holyrood, although I could possibly mistaken. The design though uses the typcial curling stem design with a mix of flowers and leaves. Flowers include pansy, rose, honeysuckle, pomegranate and the leaves are vine leaves (+ some grapes) and the generic leaf shapes often seen on Elizabethan embroidery. As I am also making a lady's doublet from patterns of fashion (1585) I am started work on the research for a set of blackwork sleves. Rachel --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Oooh! Oooh! Another blackwork fiend! Welcome! > My current project is multi-year, too, although it's for a shift for a > costume....based on a couple of portraits I've been carefully gleaning > over the years--the blackwork runs in stripes roughly 6 inches apart the > full length of the shift. Sleeves (finished, thank god) are 22" x 4', > and the front and back (in progress) are 45" x 4'. I based the > dimensions roughly on the 17th c. Italian shift in _Cut My Cote_, with > additional length in the sleeves to allow for poofing. > What kind of design are you using for your cushion? I've seen a number > of them that look pretty "leafy," with grape leaves and such, and all > the filling patterns. Or are you doing flowers? > If I ever get caught up on my clothing projects, I'd *love* to tackle > some furnishings like you're doing! > --Sue > ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 11:50:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18790 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:50:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76Fe9L26462; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:40:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Fe7h23540; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76FPCh15249 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:25:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g76FP9IP003992 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208061525.g76FP9IP003992@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Apollonia Margherita" at Aug 06, 2002 10:11:11 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO My sympathies! I'm from North Carolina too -- moved out 12 years ago. At least you aren't too far from Colonial Williamsburg, which is a great place to get inspired. .heather. > > And I live in the South. Born and raised in it. The land of Nascar. > Hancock's has fabric printed with Nascar images (shudder). I think the > standard uniform in North Carolina if you are not in Charlotte, Raleigh or > Greensboro is a tank top (with Nascar image), jeans and a shotgun. Possibly > a can of beer in your other hand. Ugh. > > Apollonia > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 11:50:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18795 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:50:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76FeSL26513; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76FeRh23763; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10305.mail.yahoo.com (web10305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.83]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76FUNh17958 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806153023.33194.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.120.56.37] by web10305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:30:23 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208061314.g76DEUT20694@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-391970209-1028647823=:32799" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:30:23 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-391970209-1028647823=:32799 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Brilliant idea! (Only could I skip the actual tea, and have coke instead, (being a non-tea-or-coffee-person)?) Only other problem is where (ie, on whose campsite)??? Debbie >Anybody fancy a tea-party? Maybe about half to an hour after closing - >time enough to close up, but not so late as to interfere with your >beer-tent enjoyment? >Jean --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-391970209-1028647823=:32799 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

 Brilliant idea! (Only could I skip the actual tea, and have coke instead, (being a non-tea-or-coffee-person)?)   Only other problem is where (ie, on whose campsite)???

Debbie

>Anybody fancy a tea-party? Maybe about half to an hour after closing -
>time enough to close up, but not so late as to interfere with your
>beer-tent enjoyment?

>Jean




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http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-391970209-1028647823=:32799-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 12:38:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19680 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:38:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76GSIL01502; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:28:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GSGh22764; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf16bis.bellsouth.net (mail016.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GDVh13519 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.85]) by imf16bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020806161459.IOWJ14129.imf16bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:14:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c23d63$d0096b10$55144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: <20020806143855.28481.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:10:40 -0400 Status: RO Nascar is car racing. It's cars turning left in a big oval track. One race will go on for hours. Except, they also race pick-up trucks in a spin-off. Low-riding compact pick-up trucks. For hours. People sit right up next to the track if they can, and get dirt and all sorts of stuff sprayed on them. And people have died in the wrecks on the tracks, because the cars are going about 200 miles an hour...The town I live in, Salisbury, is about 20 minutes north of Kannapolis, which is where one of Nascar's most famous drivers grew up, and he wrecked out a died a few years ago. So now there are building a huge memorial statue.... Apollonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states > Uhm, what is Nascar? Now I'm intrigued. :-) > > Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 12:45:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19729 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:45:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76GZJL02208; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GZIh27347; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:35:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GJZh17305 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.193.29] (as-5-43.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.29]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g76GJWF28617 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020805205929.319.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020805205929.319.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thanks to everyone sending explanations Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:10:25 -0700 Status: RO At 9:59 PM +0100 8/5/02, N Kipar wrote: >Thanks indeed, that was most enlightening! I never knew all that about ren >faires and I always thought that a ren faire was an SCA gathering. (whooops, >sorry SCA'lers) I also got a lot more info about overseas, which is really >appreciated. On top of it all I have been enjoying myself browsing through the >suggested sites. Some lovely costumes on there. > >Thanks for taking the time to explain everything One of the things that takes some getting used to is that, in the US, the term "ren faire" can cover a really wide variety of phenomena -- and even the people involved in a particular faire (or a particular faire circuit) may not realize that not all faires are like the ones they are used to (or may know this intellectually, but forget it in the heat of the discussion). So one person will tell you "what ren faires are all about" and then you'll discover that what they told you has nothing to do with other events by the same name. Even the "big" faires vary considerably in terms of the reliance on paid performers vs. volunteer (but "on staff") performers vs. relying on paying customers in costume to help provide "atmosphere", as well as historicity of setting, and emphasis on performance entertainment vs. merchant space, and so on, and so on. To some extent, the terminology isn't finely-detailed enough, so you end up lumping too many things together. It's not unlike the problem with trying to describe the wide variety of "hands-on historic-interest hobby" groups, when you may find yourself using the same term to convey everything from a costumed museum docent doing public education, to a private themed party for personal amusement. Always, in general to ask for and/or provide detailed explanations, rather than assumig we know what each other means. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:03:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19888 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:03:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76GrUL04155; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:53:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GrSh08607; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:53:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf16bis.bellsouth.net (mail016.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GK1h17621 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.85]) by imf16bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020806162129.ISEG14129.imf16bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c23d64$b8867a40$55144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: <200208061525.g76FP9IP003992@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:17:10 -0400 Status: RO I know, that is a good thing. I haven't had a chance to go up there recently. I grew up in Virginia Beach, and went to the Jamestown settlement a lot... Apollonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states > My sympathies! I'm from North Carolina too -- moved out > 12 years ago. > > At least you aren't too far from Colonial Williamsburg, which is a great > place to get inspired. > > .heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:04:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19892 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:04:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76GrrL04208; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:53:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Grph08814; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:53:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd5mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GNZh19822 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:23:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr1so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.110]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H0F00DP1K76R2@l-daemon> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:23:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml6so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.150]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H0F0089JK767J@l-daemon> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:23:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from supers.vc.shawcable.net (h24-68-23-36.vc.shawcable.net [24.68.23.36]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H0F006MQK75XI@l-daemon> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:23:30 -0600 (MDT) From: "P. A. Stonnell" X-Sender: hlisobel@shawmail To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3.0.5.32.20020806092016.01f72450@shawmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [h-cost] corset stays Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:20:16 -0700 Status: RO Help! The only place that we know of in our local area (Vancouver, BC, Canada) that carries metal corset stays has become very unreliable. Once in a while you can go in and get some, but that is happening less and less. Can the good members of this list recommend a reliable mailorder source? Is there somewhere in Canada (so we don't have to deal with duty and customs)? Thank you Peggy Stonnell SCA - HL Isobel fitz Gilbert, JdL, GdS, OLC Mistress of Arts, Barony of Lions Gate English Village Society, Village of Stowbrook - Elizabeth Cook _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:10:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19946 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:10:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76H0GL05019; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76H0Dh12803; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GoHh06676 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.176.c7eb531 (4459) for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:50:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <176.c7eb531.2a81583f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_176.c7eb531.2a81583f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:50:07 EDT Status: RO --part1_176.c7eb531.2a81583f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 10:32:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, apollonia@bellsouth.net writes: > And I live in the South. Born and raised in it. The land of Nascar. > Hancock's has fabric printed with Nascar images (shudder). I think the > standard uniform in North Carolina if you are not in Charlotte, Raleigh or > Greensboro is a tank top (with Nascar image), jeans and a shotgun. Possibly > a can of beer in your other hand. Ugh. > Now why exclude Greensboro and Charlotte? And is the shot gun worn rakishly tilted to the left, or straight on? Durham and the Research Triangle are the most "Progressive". A phenomenon that I'm sure is also true of Europe, is that when you leave the city limits, the close change REAL fast to rural incarnations. I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have the most fun with their clothes. I've the BEST outfits! --part1_176.c7eb531.2a81583f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 10:32:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, apollonia@bellsouth.net writes:


And I live in the South.  Born and raised in it.  The land of Nascar.
Hancock's has fabric printed with Nascar images (shudder).  I think the
standard uniform in North Carolina if you are not in Charlotte, Raleigh or
Greensboro is a tank top (with Nascar image), jeans and a shotgun.  Possibly
a can of beer in your other hand. Ugh.


Now why exclude Greensboro and Charlotte? And is the shot gun worn rakishly tilted to the left, or straight on? Durham and the Research Triangle are the most "Progressive". A phenomenon that I'm sure is also true of Europe, is that when you leave the city limits, the close change REAL fast to rural incarnations.
I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have the most fun with their clothes. I've the BEST outfits!
--part1_176.c7eb531.2a81583f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:19:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20002 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:19:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76H99L05947; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:09:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76H97h18424; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76Gb3h28337 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806163702.92013.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 17:37:02 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020806153023.33194.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:37:02 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Debbie Lough wrote: > > Brilliant idea! (Only could I skip the actual tea, and have coke instead, > (being a non-tea-or-coffee-person)?) Only other problem is where (ie, on > whose campsite)??? > > Debbie I don't have coke but could buy some. We have a shelter, coffee and tea. If anyone has a better facility though for making hot water other than a small cauldron.... (don't have the coveted big one yet, finances are well stretched out *L*) then I'd suggest we meet at the camping site with the easiest water boiling facilty and biggest shelter space. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:20:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20020 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:20:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HAWL06159; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HAVh19374; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76FJTh12245 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806151929.16402.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:19:29 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4FE235.7060001@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:19:29 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- A F Murphy wrote: > Cheap hobby? Ha! > > Don't know about England, but ACW? I dipped my toe into that pool once, > 7 years ago, looking for a uniform cap for a one-man show. I found an > entire world... *snippage* Well, I am not sure from which country you are (US?) nor about which society/group/regiment you are talking about, but the chaps from the ACW society I talked to said that because they are so many every item is 'mass produced'. I just paid 3000 pound sterling for my mantua. Yes, that's just the dress, not the wig, not the shoes, not the accessories other than the fontange. I don't think one of their uniforms is £ 3000 (that's 4700 dollars appr.), well, I'm talking about your ordinary foot soldier here. *S* I have of course heard about and seen piccies of SUPERB officers' uniforms, I wasn't talking about those though. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:21:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20027 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:21:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HAtL06206; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HArh19625; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:10:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76FOSh14837 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806152428.35244.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:24:28 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020806144503.63938.qmail@web40004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:24:28 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > > Hi Nicole > > Out of interest which members do you know (I'm a member of the TG myself). Claire and her hubby, they used to be members of Angelcynn. > We only go as high as the low gentry, but that doesn't mean to say that some > members don't go a > little higher than that. Of course the problem comes with the cash to do it. > No-one in the group > can afford to do a completely accurate court costume (£15,000+ at the last > estimate). Shame > really as I'd love to embroider one myself. Well, I can assure you, I am certain it could be done for less than that when resourcing world wide. All in all my 1700 outfit approximates £4500-5000 or so, but that's because I sourced fabrics, 19th c. handmade laces, 19th c. ribbons, genuine pearls etc. via the internet from all over the world. I dread to think how much it would have been if I hadn't hunted for about a year (nay, longer, more like two years) for all the supplies. Well, I didn't make the dress of course, that added to the cost a lot, Ninya is not cheap. *laughs* oh no.... Anyway, that's why I really, really HATE rain when I'm in my kit. Please do tell us, how would you PERFECT pucker Tudor aristocratic be made of and put together? I'm so curious!!!! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20067 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:26:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HGHL06650; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:16:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HGDh22985; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76H1ch13730 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.153.12034029 (4459) for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:01:29 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <153.12034029.2a815ae8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_153.12034029.2a815ae8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:01:28 EDT Status: RO --part1_153.12034029.2a815ae8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 12:29:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apollonia@bellsouth.net writes: > The town I live in, Salisbury We filmed the miniseries "Having our Say," the story of the Delaney [sp] Sisters.....and their fight and triumph over prejudice.... we filmed it ironically, at Stonewall Jackson school. That's near you, no? Isn't there a railroad museum near you. We did the period departure and arrival scenes there. What a nightmare that was. The ENTIRE cast worked that day plus a lot of extras. We filmed the little girls departing in 1895 in the morning. Changed everybody and filmed the young ladies departing in 1914. Changed everybody again and filmed the older ladies departing in 1927. Then that night we did it all again but the arrivals. There had to be continuity on the girls and family and extras in the trains, But the extras on the platform had to change every time. A logistical nightmare.WHAT A DAY THAT WAS! I made tons in overtime and meal penalties though. --part1_153.12034029.2a815ae8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 12:29:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apollonia@bellsouth.net writes:


The town I live in, Salisbury


We filmed the miniseries "Having our Say," the story of the Delaney [sp] Sisters.....and their fight and triumph over prejudice.... we filmed it ironically, at Stonewall Jackson school. That's near you, no? Isn't there a railroad museum near you. We did the period departure and arrival scenes there.
What a nightmare that was. The ENTIRE cast worked that day plus a lot of extras. We filmed the little girls departing in 1895 in the morning. Changed everybody and filmed the young ladies departing in 1914. Changed everybody again and filmed the older ladies departing in 1927. Then that night we did it all again but the arrivals. There had to be continuity on the girls and family and extras in the trains, But the extras on the platform had to change every time. A logistical nightmare.WHAT A DAY THAT WAS!

I made tons in overtime and meal penalties though.
--part1_153.12034029.2a815ae8_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:35:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20158 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:35:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HPOL07712; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HPNh29011; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:25:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Gf7h00970 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.72.2074789a (4459) for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:40:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <72.2074789a.2a815618@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "old" in America To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_72.2074789a.2a815618_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:40:56 EDT Status: RO --part1_72.2074789a.2a815618_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 3:24:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hrjones@socrates.Berkeley.EDU writes: > It's an amusing exercise to come up with reasonably symmetric > arrangements for each possible increment. > I always liked the concentric circles. --part1_72.2074789a.2a815618_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 3:24:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hrjones@socrates.Berkeley.EDU writes:


It's an amusing exercise to come up with reasonably symmetric
arrangements for each possible increment.


I always liked the concentric circles.
--part1_72.2074789a.2a815618_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:35:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20162 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:35:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HPVL07728; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:25:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HPVh29114; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:25:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GfGh01024 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:41:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31778 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:42:43 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:42:43 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Mary Temple wrote: > They just celebrated Bastille Day at the French Legation here in > Austin, Texas. France was the only country to set up an Embassy during > the Republic, and the building is now a Museum. (very small). Don't > know if they did it in costume - hmm...another period to costume > for...? There's some French Colonial re-enactment here in the St. Louis area, at at least one local historic site dating from that period. Not my period, so I don't keep up with it. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:47:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20236 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:47:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HbBL09376; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:37:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HbAh06637; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HL5h26196 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17c810-0000cp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:21:02 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:21:02 -0400 Status: RO Oy. My most expensive costumes probably are in the few hundred dollar range, not exceeding $500 for the whole outfit from shoes to hat. I can't begin to imagine spending thousands of dollars for a kit, but then, I'm still earning barely living wage at the moment and I'm not striving for as-close-as-possible authenticity (usually just "above average authenticity on a student budget")... Maybe when I win the lottery (or become a rich and famous archeologist, the odds of which are just as likely as winning the lotto) I'll fly over to England and have Ninya make me a money-is-no-object high Elizabethan gown. ;) Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com > --- A F Murphy wrote: > Cheap hobby? Ha! > > > > Don't know about England, but ACW? I dipped my toe into that pool once, > > 7 years ago, looking for a uniform cap for a one-man show. I found an > > entire world... > > *snippage* > Well, I am not sure from which country you are (US?) nor about which > society/group/regiment you are talking about, but the chaps from the ACW > society I talked to said that because they are so many every item is 'mass > produced'. I just paid 3000 pound sterling for my mantua. Yes, that's just the > dress, not the wig, not the shoes, not the accessories other than the fontange. > I don't think one of their uniforms is £ 3000 (that's 4700 dollars appr.), > well, I'm talking about your ordinary foot soldier here. *S* > I have of course heard about and seen piccies of SUPERB officers' uniforms, I > wasn't talking about those though. > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:47:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20242 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:47:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HbRL09433; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HbQh06799; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:37:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf22bis.bellsouth.net (mail022.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HL8h26241 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:21:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.85]) by imf22bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020806172101.QXXI7447.imf22bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:21:01 -0400 Message-ID: <009501c23d6d$41ccb6e0$55144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: <176.c7eb531.2a81583f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:18:15 -0400 Status: RO You see more sophistication in the bigger cities. Charlotte has a lot of people who moved there for the banking industry. Greensboro has a lot of people who have moved up in the world, from tank tops to dress shirts. I think the Triangle (Raliegh, Durham, and Cary) have the best clothes. My theory is that most of them are from somewhere else, having moved here a few years ago for the job market. And the shotguns are, tilted rakishly to the left, cocked and ready to go. :) Apollonia ----- Original Message ----- From: AlbertCat@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states Now why exclude Greensboro and Charlotte? And is the shot gun worn rakishly tilted to the left, or straight on? Durham and the Research Triangle are the most "Progressive". A phenomenon that I'm sure is also true of Europe, is that when you leave the city limits, the close change REAL fast to rural incarnations. I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have the most fun with their clothes. I've the BEST outfits! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:52:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20282 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:51:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HfnL09871; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:41:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Hfmh09397; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:41:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HFqh22698 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:15:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.152.120315b5 (4459) for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:15:43 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <152.120315b5.2a815e3f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_152.120315b5.2a815e3f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:15:43 EDT Status: RO --part1_152.120315b5.2a815e3f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 1:01:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > I've the BEST outfits! Though I do have some good looking ensembles, This was meant to read: I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have the most fun with their clothes. I've SEEN the BEST outfits! Now everyone thinks I'm black. This is OK except it's not true.....and I have no rhythm. :-P --part1_152.120315b5.2a815e3f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 1:01:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes:


I've the BEST outfits!


Though I do have some good looking ensembles, This was meant to read:

I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have the most fun with their clothes. I've SEEN the BEST outfits!


Now everyone thinks I'm black. This is OK except it's not true.....and I have no rhythm. :-P
--part1_152.120315b5.2a815e3f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 14:09:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20364 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:09:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HxVL11615; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:59:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HxUh19887; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76HaVh06295 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:36:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806173630.90481.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:36:30 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Photo of Marlburian Officer and Lady 'in action' Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:36:30 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Thought I'd have to share, the only photo they had of us, but I think a nice one, was taken at the parade, it's nice because it shows the costume 'moving'. It also shows why I took my petticoat back to Ninya to have it shortened! It was utterly impractically long. http://www.EventPlan.co.uk/photopages/H2%20C18th%201.htm Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 14:18:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20437 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:18:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76I85L12545; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76I84h25119; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.228]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Hqmh15781 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:52:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marthakelly (24-168-32-190.nyc.rr.com [24.168.32.190]) by nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with SMTP id g76Hsskl003230 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:54:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] corset stays Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020806092016.01f72450@shawmail> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:53:58 -0300 Status: RO Peggy - The best corset supply house I have ever dealt with is in Canada - and I live in New York! You'll enjoy this website. http://www.farthingales.on.ca Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 14:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20922 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:53:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76Ih6L15949; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:43:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Ih4h15579; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76IaMh11808 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Tue Aug 06 13:36:20 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:36:20 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g76IaMh11808 Subject: [h-cost] Photo of Marlburian Officer and Lady 'in action' Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:36:11 -0500 Status: RO Very nice photo Nicole, and thanks for the website, they have a good photographer. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 15:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21877 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:40:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76JU9L21022; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:30:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76JU7h12084; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76JGIh04281 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:16:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C80C2083E for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E7F62207F2 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <026201c23d7d$16c041a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <00a801c23d53$1f8624a0$55144ed8@sgrochoski> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:11:34 -0400 Status: RO Oh, it's the same here. And York has a huge Nascar Weekend every year. I swear the whole city stops for a Nascar race. Yick. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states > And I live in the South. Born and raised in it. The land of Nascar. > Hancock's has fabric printed with Nascar images (shudder). I think the > standard uniform in North Carolina if you are not in Charlotte, Raleigh or > Greensboro is a tank top (with Nascar image), jeans and a shotgun. Possibly > a can of beer in your other hand. Ugh. > > Apollonia > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 16:23:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22161 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76KCgL25269; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76KCeh07755; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Joah24091 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:50:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-relay04-en1.mac.com (smtp-relay04-en1 [10.13.10.223]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g76JoefY011623 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3.mac.com [10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay04-en1.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g76JoZ72017262 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.95.177.85] ([128.95.177.85]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H0FTSB00.B0M for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:50:35 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Subject: NASCAR - was Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states From: Agnes G To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <026201c23d7d$16c041a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:51:15 -0700 Status: RO For Nicole and any others who don't know about this peculiarly North American phenomenon... NASCAR is stock car racing - but the cars aren't really "stock" or standard cars at all any more. Here's some information from a website (http://www.howstuffworks.com/nascar.htm) that explains a little about the cars (it however doesn't attempt to explain the fans or how they dress) begin quote - In the beginning, stock-car racing was exactly what it sounds like. Drivers actually bought brand-new cars from dealers and went racing. The National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing (NASCAR), organized in 1947, created a standardized set of rules for stock-car racing and established a system for selecting a national champion based on performance at races across the country. The original races were run on dirt tracks that got rutted and bumpy. The unmodified cars were not tough enough for this type of abuse, so NASCAR began allowing modifications to the stock cars to increase their durability. Over the years, more and more modifications were made, sometimes to increase safety and sometimes to improve competition. NASCAR strictly controls all of these modifications, which are spelled out in detail in the NASCAR rule book. Cars are checked for compliance with these rules at every race. Today, NASCAR race cars have very little in common with street cars. Almost every detail of a NASCAR car is handmade. The bodies are built from flat sheet metal, the engines are assembled from a bare block and the frame is constructed from steel tubing. -end quote _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 19:04:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22975 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:04:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76Ms2L10478; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Ms0h10997; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76MbXh02161 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cCxH-000Le6-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:37:32 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments References: <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:27:41 +0100 Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote >I used to be of the opinion that, since the advent of the universal >Westernization of world clothing, any genuine ethnic garment that is >still being worn is historical. But garments like sarees and >Palestinian dresses are instances of non-Western historical styles >which are still evolving - still being designed, made, and worn. > >Sarees are now available in polyester, with modern designs printed on >them (in Japan). Palestinian dresses are sometimes made with >Palestinian nationalistic designs cross-stitched on them. The >cross-stitch designs on these garments over the years, whether >traditional or from Western pattern books, has evolved in ways even a >dilettante Palestinian cross-stitch fan like myself can notice. > I saw a documentary recently about "cultural life" (not sure what else to call it) in Afghanistan now the Taliban are gone, as people get back to their old ways. They showed traditionally woven Afghan rugs with pictures of Russian tanks and weapons on them - apparently this is now a "traditional" design, showing how they won the most recent glorious victory! I also, some years ago now, saw a girl in traditional Pakistani dress...nearly. She had short spiky black hair, and was wearing black satin shalwar kameez, and a black leather biker jacket. And tonight I went to a show on the Edinburgh Fringe of Maori dancing, where they proclaimed "breakdancing is now traditional Maori dance". They're both based on challenge and competition, so why not absorb some cool moves from other places? The same is happening with the north Indian Bhangra. I think we often overestimate how westernised other cultures are, and fail to realise they are taking bits from the west and assimilating them into their own tradition, not the other way round. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 19:08:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23007 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:08:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76MwRL10886; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:58:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76MwQh13421; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Mqqh10426 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:52:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cDC6-000Nv4-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:52:51 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action References: <20020806153023.33194.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> <20020806163702.92013.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020806163702.92013.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:51:43 +0100 Status: RO Nicole, At the risk of "inviting myself" (something my mother always said I shouldn't do), your camp might be most practical, just because you are, I think, the smallest group. Conquest has a big shelter, but it also has 20-30 people milling about and wanting to use it. I can bring our little gas stove - and cake? Jean N Kipar wrote > --- Debbie Lough wrote: > >> Brilliant idea! (Only could I skip the actual tea, and have coke instead, >> (being a non-tea-or-coffee-person)?) Only other problem is where (ie, on >> whose campsite)??? >> >> Debbie > >I don't have coke but could buy some. We have a shelter, coffee and tea. If >anyone has a better facility though for making hot water other than a small >cauldron.... (don't have the coveted big one yet, finances are well stretched >out *L*) then I'd suggest we meet at the camping site with the easiest water >boiling facilty and biggest shelter space. > >Nicole > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: marquis@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 20:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23230 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:12:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77022L15361; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77020h11238; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Npuh07544 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:51:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.192.247] (as-5-5.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.192.247]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g76Nps421631 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020805123430.00d9e4d0@mail.frys.com> References: <200208041812.g74ICmF14829@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020805123430.00d9e4d0@mail.frys.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:17:30 -0700 Status: RO At 12:48 PM -0700 8/5/02, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >>Anne is right, we do dress differently in the different states. > >In Berkeley and San Francisco, large numbers of people dress in >t-shirts and jeans, altho the number of, how shall I say, 'sartorial >individualists' is much greater here. I spend time in both 'camps'. If I had to characterize the Berkeley "sartorial gestalt", it would probably come down to, "expect to see just about _anything_ as ordinary street wear ... and the cool thing to do is to pretend you didn't notice". Wandering around in downtown Berkeley is pretty much the final exam in unflappability training. I think I'd have to be away from here for a while and then return to come up with a more coherent description of regional style as a whole. A lot of it is the whole "tossed salad" effect, with large portions of the population being relatively recent movers-in (whether from other places in the state, in the US, or across the world), and the prevailing lassaiz-faire attitude towards style means that there's more leeway for people to continue dressing as they're accustomed to. (But then, I don't pay much attention to "fashion" since I don't participate in it much -- I fit in very well here!) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 20:33:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23320 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:33:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g770N5L16434; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:23:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g770N4h18570; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail011.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail011.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.139]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7709mh13859 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:09:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from qwerty.optusnet.com.au (c16828.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [211.28.151.194]) by mail011.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7709fN10205 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:09:42 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020807095051.024b27e0@210.49.20.169> X-Sender: koidgath@210.49.20.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved In-Reply-To: <20020805073706.91321.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020805101937.02743b80@210.49.20.169> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:02:40 +1000 Status: RO > >Kent's lovely, isn't it? Just far too many people and cars! That's due to >blasted London. I used to think that before living in Melbourne. It has been known for it take over 4 hours to drive from one side Melbourne to the other because of the urban sprawl and really bad traffic. I currently live between three major roads including one of the major state highways. A random thought occured to me, the uni fiction library has a map with australia and the us overprinted on it with a comparision to the uk, I might see if I can photcopy it and put it on a webpage. It would give people an idea of distances we are all talking about >Ohhhh, Deal castle, it's a sweetie that one. My absolutely favourite though is >Dover castle, the view from up there over the English channel is just >magnificent! On good days you can see France (and dream of chocolate >croissants...) Never got to visit Dover, my mother never did see the point in visiting it, then again she never saw the attraction in a lot of historical sites. But I did like Leeds and Hever. >When you do, let me know and I 'force' you to come sew with me. :-) And won't that be terrible :). As it is I want to sew a late 17th century dress thanks to your lovely website. : ) I really think this mailing list should come with a warning of something along the lines of different costumes eras are contagious and may lead to sewing of costumes from different eras to which you have no real purpose for and no where to wear them. :) Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 21:36:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23589 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:36:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g771QUL19525; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:26:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g771QGh09017; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g771Fxh05837 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:15:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0G0089L8UK20@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:15:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: NASCAR (was Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states In-reply-to: <001401c23d63$d0096b10$55144ed8@sgrochoski> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020806175629.00c60e10@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020806143855.28481.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:15:25 -0700 Status: RO >Nascar is car racing. National Association of Stock Car Automobile Racers. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 21:41:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23612 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:41:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g771V5L19770; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:31:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g771V5h10317; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:31:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g771Fxh05842 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0G0089L8UK20@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states In-reply-to: <176.c7eb531.2a81583f@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020806180611.00d6e7e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:15:53 -0700 Status: RO >I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have >the most fun with their clothes. It's not prejudice - they really do. And the most fun with hair and hats. White people have boring hair and hats. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 21:41:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23616 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:41:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g771V9L19784; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g771V9h10352; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g771G0h05848 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0G0089L8UK20@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020806180849.00c60220@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:13:58 -0700 Status: RO >They showed traditionally woven Afghan rugs with pictures of Russian tanks >and weapons on them - apparently this is now a "traditional" design, >showing how they won the most recent glorious victory! I have a friend who has a couple of these, in bath-mat size. Pretty amazing. >I think we often overestimate how westernised other cultures are, and fail >to realise they are taking bits from the west and assimilating them into >their own tradition, not the other way round. Their own cultural dress is evolving in spite of any Westernization. They can tell me what year, or what decade, one of their garments is, or at least what generation still wears them. Then there were the Hippies, who wore anything ethnic they could get. It was a brightly-coloured alternative to all those flat, texture-less 'outer-space-look' knit mini-dresses. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 22:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23739 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:15:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7725ML21466; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7725Kh20373; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76AmFT14617 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-803.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.3.35] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17c1sq-0000IR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:48:13 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c23d39$12690d60$230386d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <20020806102155.3086.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Kirby Hall - History in Action MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:04:43 +0100 Status: RO Hello All, Don't know if I'll make it to the Beer Tent..boo hoo! Long-range forecast looks pretty grim and I can't very well drag the "wah-wah" (baby) down to the BT if it's pouring! DD wouldn't mind, tho', she's a hardened re-enactor at the age of 8! If I can make it, I'll be wearing jeans, a t-shirt with the ECWS "Babe" on it and a stressed-out expression on my face! ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: 06 August 2002 11:21 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Kirby Hall - History in Action > --- Debbie Lough wrote: > > > Will almost definitely be in the beer tent at some point on Friday night > > (although when depends on how long it takes to set up the Conquest site, > > after the kit van arrives from Bristol!) > > Same here, have to pick up a member/friend from the train station at around 7. > Poor Tash (if I may toot her horn, she is one of the almost non-existent black > re-enactors in the UK) has done her back in badly and can't hoik her stuff > around very much. > > > Will probably be wearing jeans and t-shirt (barbour and wellies if it rains)! > > > > Debbie. > > I hope I'll remember the button rings! I'll be in the 50s red cross uniform and > if it rains with a cameo army issue rain jacket on top of it. *L* > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 22:15:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23743 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:15:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7725YL21491; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7725Yh20451; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76AuCT16455 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:56:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-803.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.3.35] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17c20Y-0008Ty-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:56:10 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c23d3a$2eced6a0$230386d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:12:41 +0100 Status: RO Kate "Welcome to the list, Helen" Many thanks "used to be a musketeer and then a drummer" I am/was a drummer in the ECWS, b4 the baby came along. Are you going to play "Parson's Farewell"? It's mine and my eldest daughter's fave Playford tune and it cheered up our awful rainy Sunday last KH. Do you ever do "Cuckolds All in a Row"? Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: 06 August 2002 09:29 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century > (Catching up on posts after being out of the office most of Monday) > >. I do living history with the SK () and also belong to a period music group, an offshoot of the SK, now independent, the Generalls Musick and Players. > I've seen forehead cloths illustrated in the Cunnington book as belonging with the early style of coif, but I've no idea when and why they were worn. > > > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 22:15:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23747 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:15:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7725cL21510; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7725ch20479; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76BpGT28632 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:51:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-923.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.19.155] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17c2rq-00077F-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:51:14 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c23d41$e0993220$9b1386d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <20020804135142.66277.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <001f01c23bd3$9dfdf640$6d2986d9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:07:45 +0100 Status: RO Yep Jean, what a good idea - plastic or LH site? BT - what BT activities! The closest I'll probably get, is a few bottles of "Golden Glory" with my family and my brother - ahh, but what fun! NE1 mind my two daughters coming, too? Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: Sent: 05 August 2002 18:16 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action > Anybody fancy a tea-party? Maybe about half to an hour after closing - > time enough to close up, but not so late as to interfere with your > beer-tent enjoyment? > > Jean > > > Helen Partner wrote > >Hello All > > > >Anyone fancy meeting up at KH? We're (daughters and myself) not > >"performing" but will probably get "in kit" (weather and baby-permitting) > >for some of the time, so our time is our own. Our group is finished by 1pm. > >Any takers? > >Regards > > > >Helen > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "N Kipar" > >To: > >Sent: 04 August 2002 14:51 > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action > > > > > >> --- Helen Partner wrote: > Morning all, > >> > > >> > Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > Helen > >> > >> > >> Hi Helen, yes I will be going. As far as I know Teddy, Mel, Jean and Kate > >are > >> going too. > >> > >> Nicole > >> > >> ===== > >> Nicole Kipar M.A. > >> Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > >> Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > >> URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > >> Email: marquis@kipar.org > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Everything you'll ever need on one web page > >> from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > >> http://uk.my.yahoo.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 22:19:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23756 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:19:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7729hL21684; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:09:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7729gh21589; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:09:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76JO0h08381 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020806192354.VDLK20228.out009.verizon.net@localhost> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:23:54 -0500 From: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020806192354.VDLK20228.out009.verizon.net@localhost> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:23:54 -0500 Status: RO > > From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows > Date: 2002/08/05 Mon PM 02:28:59 CDT > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings > > > >I disagree. It doesn't affect my research in any particularly big way. It > >wasn't that the colonies particularly affected the motherland regarding dress, > >but vice versa. > > What about all that cotton coming in from the American South? I''d think > that affected something, especially after the cotton gin was invented and > made cotton really cheap. > > (I'm talking effect here, not whether or not you care about one particular > period or country.) > > Kayta Not much cotton coming out of the American south in the 17th century. I think you will find the 17th century textile effects are more Indigo, Cochineal (if you include Spanish America), and botanical influences. Her in Virginia at least, cotton was grown, but it was not a cash crop. Cheers, Ron _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 22:19:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23760 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:19:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7729lL21705; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:09:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7729kh21610; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:09:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76JXlh14303 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020806193342.VGWF20228.out009.verizon.net@localhost> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:33:42 -0500 From: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020806193342.VGWF20228.out009.verizon.net@localhost> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:33:42 -0500 Status: RO > > From: "Kate M Bunting" > Date: 2002/08/06 Tue AM 04:14:38 CDT > To: > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. > > Nicole wrote: > >There is almost nothing here, people doing the 1st person Tudor thing > >at Kentwell but proper re-enactment? Friends do 16th century seamen, but > >otherwise even if I had a costume from Margo's patterns, I wouldn't know > >whereand when to wear it. *pout8 > > There's "The Tudor Group" as well - they do big civilian displays at Kirby. > Those guys look really good too, if their webpage is to be beleived. Cheers, Ron _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 22:19:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23765 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:19:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7729oL21722; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:09:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7729nh21632; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:09:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Jb0h16196 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1883.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.23.91] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cA8Y-0007Uu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 20:36:58 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c23d82$f0f18c80$5b1786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <20020805194555.25256.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:51:58 +0100 Status: RO Hello All Just a quick link b4 I get over excited http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/Exhibitions/Cromwell/where.htm Have a look At Oliver Cromwell's mother's portrait. I've just been watching Channel 5's prog on the ECW (seen it b4 on The History Channel) But, low and behold, comes a portrait of Cromwell's mother. On our tv, it looked suspiciously like she was wearing a fc *over* the coif and with the pointy end showing! I could be wrong. Anyway, if anyone wants to have a look at it, a small version is shown at the above link. Comments, puleeeaaase. Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: 05 August 2002 20:45 Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > --- Jean Waddie wrote: > > > These are all coming up really small on my browser, but I'm not sure I > > can see any of these as separate triangular pieces twinned with coifs - > > they just look like headscarves or similar tied very low. Am I missing > > something vital? > > No you are not missing anything vital, this was exactly the point and question, > are these even forehead cloths? Also, the triangular piece wouldn't hang into > the forehead, but the other edge. > Oh, and yes, the pix were small, they are details from paintings. :-) > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 23:19:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24040 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:19:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77392L24921; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77391h08810; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12601.mail.yahoo.com (web12601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.224]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g772xdh05939 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:59:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807025939.94095.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.149.174.67] by web12601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 19:59:39 PDT From: Tracy Bossinger Subject: Re:[h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@net.indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807025042.81106.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO > > >I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people > down here seem to have > >the most fun with their clothes. > > > It's not prejudice - they really do. And the most > fun with hair and > hats. White people have boring hair and hats. > > Kayta I live in South Florida and once attended a wedding of a couple with predominantly Bahamian roots. You could tell whether the female guests were related to the bride or the groom according to which one they had: the bride's side all had highly imaginative hats while the groom's side all had extremely elaborate hairstyles. Really made the whole thing very fun! And my father has adapted one of the Cuban styles as his own - the guayabera. Goes great with his Elvis-wannabe almost mutton chops! Tracy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 01:19:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24728 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:19:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77593L01030; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77591h11494; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7755Ph10665 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:05:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m242.in-tch.com [216.166.191.242]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g774pH900770 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D50ABF5.A6D20437@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020805101937.02743b80@210.49.20.169> <5.1.0.14.0.20020807095051.024b27e0@210.49.20.169> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:11:17 -0600 Status: RO That would be really fun! I get used to thinking that our (US) distances are pretty impressive (at least where I live), but I have this sneaking suspicion that they're *nothing* compared to Australia! --sue Sharon Nevin wrote: > > A random thought occured to me, the uni fiction library has a map with > australia and the us overprinted on it with a comparision to the uk, I > might see if I can photcopy it and put it on a webpage. It would give > people an idea of distances we are all talking about _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 01:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24744 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:23:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g775DbL01202; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:13:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g775Dah12598; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:13:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7757Xh11163 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:07:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m242.in-tch.com [216.166.191.242]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g774rP901258 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:53:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D50AC75.B0D34BE7@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of Marlburian Officer and Lady 'in action' References: <20020806173630.90481.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:13:25 -0600 Status: RO Oooh...you all look spiffy. That's Ben next to you, isn't it? --sue N Kipar wrote: > > Thought I'd have to share, the only photo they had of us, but I think a nice > one, was taken at the parade, it's nice because it shows the costume 'moving'. > It also shows why I took my petticoat back to Ninya to have it shortened! It > was utterly impractically long. > > http://www.EventPlan.co.uk/photopages/H2%20C18th%201.htm > > Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 02:31:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01085 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:31:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g776L5L04214; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g776L4h29427; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g776CGh27172 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:12:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AAFA85901F2; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 01:15:22 -0500 Message-ID: <026001c23dd9$39d2a960$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Another New Class and more Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:11:10 -0400 Status: RO Wondering if one day all the members of h-costume will be Costume Classroom instructors or have a vast wardrobe from taking classes (like Sue C.).... well, I think our new instructor has been on h-costume about as long as I have or longer. Franchesca Havas, aka Chesca aka Ches, will be teaching a class starting Sept. 16 called "Elizabethan Glove Making: Make your own pair of gloves." Franchesca will be supplying the kits for the class. The Glove Making class will end the week before Stephen Bergdahl teaches his class, "Making an Elizabethan Lady's Wardrobe: Outer Garments" from Margo Anderson's pattern. His class starts late October. Some more exciting news... Mara Jean Davis, who joined h-costume recently, won a contract yesterday to build parasols for a new Nicole Kidman film. YIPPEE!!! We are all in amazement... Jennie Chancey (who we all love dearly) is due to have her 4th child anyday now. She plans to start teaching her new class Monday, "Fact or Fantasy? A Look at Costumes in Recent Regency Film Adaptations." {I promise that I am not a slave driver} Jennie gave birth to son #3 while teaching a class for us. The day after she gave birth, she pulled a laptop in the bed and chatted costumes with her students. That is devotion to teaching and costume! Well, I guess I have caught you all up! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 02:44:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07989 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:44:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g776Y1L04759; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g776Y0h02923; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailcity.com (fes.mail.lycos.com [209.185.123.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g776Mbh29810 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:22:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 06:22:20 -0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Katie Lewis" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 129.219.101.95 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Hijab (was forehead cloths) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: katie_lewis@lycos.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 02:22:20 -0400 Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > I've just recently been investigating religious headcovering, >> and having had it pointed out to me, noticing that many women wearing >> hijab wear a small cap or tied headscarf underneath, which comes down to >> the forehead, and the large headscarf sits further back on the head. >> I'm not sure if you are talking about the same styles of hijab that I'm familliar with from what I saw Muslim women wearing in India or not, but afaik it isn't a seperate cap. Rather the headscarf is draped in such a way as to give the appearance of a seperate cap. I stink at describing things like this, but basically the scarf is first draped over the head coming down onto the forehead, with the scarf shorter on one side of the head. Then the longer side is pulled across the chest and over the head (on about the middle of the head) and then tucked in on the side that was initally left longer. When a triangular scarf is worn it is often folded on either side of the forehead, which can also give the appearance of a seperate cap. Hope this helps, Katie --- Buffy: Does it ever get easy? Giles: You mean life? Buffy: Yeah. Does it get easy? Giles: What do you want me to say? Buffy: (looks up at him) Lie to me. Giles: (considers a moment) Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after. Buffy: Liar __________________________________________________________ Win a First Class Trip to Hawaii to Vacation Elvis Style! http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail/http://www.elvis.lycos.com/sweepstakes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 03:35:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06708 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:35:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g777P3L06271; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g777P1h14457; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g777N3h14037 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807072302.81207.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:23:02 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of Marlburian Officer and Lady 'in action' To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D50AC75.B0D34BE7@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:23:02 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Oooh...you all look spiffy. That's Ben next to you, isn't it? > --sue Yes it is, he's carrying our regiment's flag. Technically he shouldn't... he portrays an officer (though he also technically appears as being not on duty in that pic because the gorget he should wear when on duty was not delivered by the person who cashed the cheque and never delivered the gorget! Do NOT buy ever from Andrew from Military Metalworks in the UK. he cashed 70 pounds 2 years ago, never did we see the goods and instead he apparently sold the gorget he did make with ben's money to someone else!!!! We are thinking about going to court now. Uhm, sorry fr the angry interlude, I'm just really upset about that) anyway, an ensign should carry the flag, and it is aptly so the regiment's ensign flag, therw ould be others as well, but specially commissioned sewn flags are expensive! Cheerio Nicole - still stitching on Ben's blasted coat... ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 03:52:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29736 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:52:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g777g1L06870; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g777g0h18176; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40006.mail.yahoo.com (web40006.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.24]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g777Rjh15065 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:27:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807072739.21262.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:27:39 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020806152428.35244.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:27:39 +0100 (BST) Status: RO > Claire and her hubby, they used to be members of Angelcynn. Claire King? She managed to get hold of some lovely chocolate brown wool for the doublet I'm making at the moment. As well as raising the tastiest pigs around. > Well, I can assure you, I am certain it could be done for less than that when > resourcing world wide. All in all my 1700 outfit approximates £4500-5000 or so, > but that's because I sourced fabrics, 19th c. handmade laces, 19th c. ribbons, > genuine pearls etc. via the internet from all over the world. I dread to think > how much it would have been if I hadn't hunted for about a year (nay, longer, > more like two years) for all the supplies. Well, I didn't make the dress of > course, that added to the cost a lot, Ninya is not cheap. *laughs* oh no.... > Anyway, that's why I really, really HATE rain when I'm in my kit. The one member of the group who does have a silk suit and a very large ruff also has this strange aversion to rain. Well his ruff would go all floppy if he did! That and most of the group would find the whole episode highly amusing! > Please do tell us, how would you PERFECT pucker Tudor aristocratic be made of > and put together? I'm so curious!!!! Well for a start you could prety much do the whole thing in silk. The smock could still be of linen and the linen fabric that I can get hold of direct from Ireland is around £11 a metre, which isn't too bad. Then there is the stays, made of silk and boned with either real whalebone or reeds. My own corset is boned with reeds and it is so much more comfortable than those done with the plastic or metal bones. Real whalebone is where you start to see the huge costs coming in as it is amazingly expensive stuff. You have a ruff for the neck, which can be an awful lot of fabric if you are going for the ridiculous court ruffs. Partlet, probably embroidered. Then you have a farthingale which is linen and willow (fairly cheap), bum roll (linen and wool). Petticoats which will be silk. Then you can either have a kirtle or a forepart depending on the king of gown you are going to wear over the top, this is of course silk. Then comes the gown over the top. Bearing in mind that silk woven to a C16 pattern has been sourced but it costs £120-£240 a metre you can start to see why the cost adds up. This is all without the accessories, embroidered gloves, stomacher, shoes etc that you would need to finish it off. It isn't hard to see the cost swiftly mounting, apart from the fact that to get the whole thing ready for next season would require alot of people doing an awful lot of sewing! That's a quick overview and I am sure I have left things out along the way. It's much simpler doing lower gentry (and cheaper) as your clothes are planer and made of wool. One day, though! Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 04:17:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA31193 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:17:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77875L08004; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77874h24017; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g777ubh21584 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:56:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:56:37 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807072739.21262.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:56:37 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > > > Claire King? She managed to get hold of some lovely chocolate brown wool for > the doublet I'm > making at the moment. As well as raising the tastiest pigs around. Yep, that's her, known her for years but haven't been in contact much lately because she ventured on to Tudor and I am mainly doing L'Age d'Or now. Also, Gloucester is far away and Ben's mum who used to live there died this Easter, so there is no more reason to go to Gloucestershire. (other tan visiting Sarah Juniper :-) > The one member of the group who does have a silk suit and a very large ruff > also has this strange > aversion to rain. Well his ruff would go all floppy if he did! That and > most of the group would > find the whole episode highly amusing! *laughs!* at least my fontange would only flop forwards. Oh, that reminds me, but remember to take spraystarch with me, coz we'll stay in the Hilton round the corner to the Kirby hall site that means I can at least iron and starch it in the morning if everything goes haywire. > Well for a start you could prety much do the whole thing in silk. Ahh, there we are. Okay, when I got my superb Imperial silk taffeta for the blue dress that Bjarne made me I paid £40 per meter. Ouch. Well.. now I know taht the exact same fabric is available for about £15 pounds! You just have to know the right person to buy it and not buy via a retailer (and certainly not Radhika's in Bristol) The smock > could still be of > linen and the linen fabric that I can get hold of direct from Ireland is > around £11 a metre, which > isn't too bad. I have a source for utterly delicious finest Irish linen for no more than £6 per meter. They are in Leicester. Then there is the stays, made of silk and boned with either > real whalebone or > reeds. Real whalebone??? I don't think so dear, and I must admit I would go bonkers if you did and I woud indeed notify the RSPCA. Whalebone (whales) is strictly under protection!!! Where the hell would you get it from? I am most intrigued, and no, am sorry, not in a good way. How could anyone want to use anything from a whale still nowadays? Sorry.... but our whale population is dwindling fast and the thought of using something from a whale and thus probably just indirectly, but nevertheless, encourage their demise makes my blood boil. Sorry. *S* My own corset is boned with reeds and it is so much more comfortable > than those done with > the plastic or metal bones. I can imagine, but since I don't make my own and shell out several hundred per corset I prefer artificial whalebone, because that lets them live longer. I wish I didn't despise making cosets so much. :-) Real whalebone is where you start to see the > huge costs coming in as > it is amazingly expensive stuff. See above, sorry but I could not condone such a think, I find the thought horrific. We know now that whales are highly intelligent, and maybe even more so than we humans are, I admire whales, I find them most fascinating, they communicate to each other, they do all sorts of things that we think only humans do, I could not possibly fathom that. gh, sorry I shut up now. Is just that I really do love whales. Uhm. You have a ruff for the neck, which can be > an awful lot of > fabric if you are going for the ridiculous court ruffs. What is the ruff made of? I never made one so I don't have a clue. Is it fine linen? Partlet, probably > embroidered. Lovely, that sounds yummy. I like blackwork, such a shame it isn't used in the period I do anymore. Then you > have a farthingale which is linen and willow (fairly cheap), bum roll (linen > and wool). > Petticoats which will be silk. Then you can either have a kirtle or a > forepart depending on the > king of gown you are going to wear over the top, this is of course silk. > Then comes the gown over > the top. Bearing in mind that silk woven to a C16 pattern has been sourced > but it costs £120-£240 > a metre you can start to see why the cost adds up. I still cannot possibly see £15.000 sorry my dear. £5.000 maybe, but 15.000? Nope. This is all without the > accessories, > embroidered gloves, stomacher, shoes etc that you would need to finish it > off. It isn't hard to Yes and where is that different from my period? Granted, I don't have embroidered gloves (because women didn't wear those anymore, the only embroidered ones which still linger are in the early 1660s for men) > see the cost swiftly mounting, apart from the fact that to get the whole > thing ready for next > season would require alot of people doing an awful lot of sewing! *laughs* for next season? Now THAT makes a difference for sure. > That's a quick overview and I am sure I have left things out along the way. > It's much simpler > doing lower gentry (and cheaper) as your clothes are planer and made of wool. And much more booooooooooooooring *grins* I am though getting together a set of middle class kit for me, there is no way I want to continue stomping about in the mud in a mantua or silk gown. Yikes! Wool can be your friend.... Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 04:30:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17430 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:30:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g778K5L08390; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:20:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778K3h27221; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7789nh24753 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:09:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807080948.13854.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:09:48 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020807095051.024b27e0@210.49.20.169> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:09:48 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sharon Nevin wrote: > > And won't that be terrible :). As it is I want to sew a late 17th century > dress thanks to your lovely website. : ) I really think this mailing list > should come with a warning of something along the lines of different > costumes eras are contagious and may lead to sewing of costumes from > different eras to which you have no real purpose for and no where to wear > them. :) You just have to be our Australian 'virtual' member then and if you can back it to a big event, then you have the kit. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 04:47:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17479 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:47:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g778b6L09054; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778b5h01395; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:37:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778JUh27104 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04257.; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:20:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:19:28 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g778JUh27104 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:19:03 +0100 Status: RO I'm not camping on site this year, but in a fellow-member's garden a few miles away and may well be sharing transport, so count me out, thanks. But do look me up in the house, and I will try and find your respective camps when I have some free time. We are performing at 1.00 and 3.00 each day. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk 08/05/02 06:16pm >>> Anybody fancy a tea-party? Maybe about half to an hour after closing - time enough to close up, but not so late as to interfere with your beer-tent enjoyment? Jean Helen Partner wrote >Hello All > >Anyone fancy meeting up at KH? We're (daughters and myself) not >"performing" but will probably get "in kit" (weather and baby-permitting) >for some of the time, so our time is our own. Our group is finished by 1pm. >Any takers? >Regards > >Helen >----- Original Message ----- >From: "N Kipar" >To: >Sent: 04 August 2002 14:51 >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action > > >> --- Helen Partner wrote: > Morning all, >> > >> > Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? >> > >> > Regards >> > Helen >> >> >> Hi Helen, yes I will be going. As far as I know Teddy, Mel, Jean and Kate >are >> going too. >> >> Nicole >> >> ===== >> Nicole Kipar M.A. >> Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >> Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >> URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >> Email: marquis@kipar.org >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Everything you'll ever need on one web page >> from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >> http://uk.my.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 04:57:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17525 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:57:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g778l8L09287; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:47:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778l7h03353; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40011.mail.yahoo.com (web40011.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g778Ogh28135 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:24:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807082437.64760.qmail@web40011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:24:37 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:24:37 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > > Yep, that's her, known her for years but haven't been in contact much lately > because she ventured on to Tudor and I am mainly doing L'Age d'Or now. Also, > Gloucester is far away and Ben's mum who used to live there died this Easter, > so there is no more reason to go to Gloucestershire. (other tan visiting Sarah > Juniper :-) She'll be at Kirby this year with the group. Can't remember what they will be doing though, or indeed where they will be. > The smock > > could still be of > > linen and the linen fabric that I can get hold of direct from Ireland is > > around £11 a metre, which > > isn't too bad. > > I have a source for utterly delicious finest Irish linen for no more than £6 > per meter. They are in Leicester. I'd be interested in that, if you care to pass on the details? > Then there is the stays, made of silk and boned with either > > real whalebone or > > reeds. > > Real whalebone??? I don't think so dear, and I must admit I would go bonkers if > you did and I woud indeed notify the RSPCA. Whalebone (whales) is strictly > under protection!!! Where the hell would you get it from? I am most intrigued, > and no, am sorry, not in a good way. How could anyone want to use anything > from a whale still nowadays? Sorry.... but our whale population is dwindling > fast and the thought of using something from a whale and thus probably just > indirectly, but nevertheless, encourage their demise makes my blood boil. > Sorry. *S* I completely agree with you. Personally speaking I couldn't use them either, but the Elizabethans did. Fortunately there are alternatives that we can use and still be completely authentic, such as the reeds or bents. >> My own corset is boned with reeds and it is so much more comfortable > > than those done with > > the plastic or metal bones. > > I can imagine, but since I don't make my own and shell out several hundred per > corset I prefer artificial whalebone, because that lets them live longer. I > wish I didn't despise making cosets so much. :-) > My corset was one of the first things I made. Not too diffcult but I'm glad I won't have to ram the reeds down it again for a few more years at least. It seriously hurts your fingers. You'd never beliwve that what looks like a thick blade of grass could possibly be so tough. > > You have a ruff for the neck, which can be > > an awful lot of > > fabric if you are going for the ridiculous court ruffs. > > What is the ruff made of? I never made one so I don't have a clue. Is it fine > linen? It is as fine a linen as you can get hold of. For some ruffs you could have up to 12 times your neck measurement gathered, pined and set. They are very fidly to get right particuarly setting the pleats themselves, hence why you don't want your starch dissolving in the rain. > Partlet, probably > > embroidered. > > Lovely, that sounds yummy. I like blackwork, such a shame it isn't used in the > period I do anymore. It's one of my favourite types of embroidery, so stylish. The main problem with it is having to carry the patterns round in your head as trying to copy directly from a book never looks right. > I still cannot possibly see £15.000 sorry my dear. £5.000 maybe, but 15.000? > Nope. Either way it's more money than I can afford on a scientists salary! > > see the cost swiftly mounting, apart from the fact that to get the whole > > thing ready for next > > season would require alot of people doing an awful lot of sewing! > > *laughs* for next season? Now THAT makes a difference for sure. Sponsers don't always even give you that much notice! I'm sure it's the same for your period, it's not so much the cost of the materials as the wages for the people who are to make it up. > > That's a quick overview and I am sure I have left things out along the way. > > It's much simpler > > doing lower gentry (and cheaper) as your clothes are planer and made of wool. > > And much more booooooooooooooring *grins* I know! Some events you catch a look at yourself in the mirror and think "What a frump!", I'd love to do something posher, perhaps I'll diversify once I have my Tudor kit complete. > I am though getting together a set of middle class kit for me, there is no way > I want to continue stomping about in the mud in a mantua or silk gown. Yikes! > Wool can be your friend.... That must look really fetching - fantastic silk mantua splattered with mud. For events like Kirby wool is certianly practicle, not perhaps always flattering. Have a lovely time at Kirby, perhaps we'll get to meet up at some other event/traders fair some time. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 05:03:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17556 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:03:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g778r4L09406; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778r3h04575; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778fIh02282 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:41:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05637.; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:42:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:41:14 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g778fIh02282 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:40:55 +0100 Status: RO She obviously outlived her husband by a long time - is it what they call a "widow's peak"? I enjoyed the programme, but there were some odd choices of background pictures. A Pieter de Hoogh interior was shown for no obvious reason during commentary about the King's execution, and the painting of Charles dictating to an officer using a drum as a table was shown in such a way as to imply that they thought the other man was Cromwell! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> mail@helandbel.fsnet.co.uk 08/06/02 08:51pm >>> Hello All Just a quick link b4 I get over excited http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/Exhibitions/Cromwell/where.htm Have a look At Oliver Cromwell's mother's portrait. I've just been watching Channel 5's prog on the ECW (seen it b4 on The History Channel) But, low and behold, comes a portrait of Cromwell's mother. On our tv, it looked suspiciously like she was wearing a fc *over* the coif and with the pointy end showing! I could be wrong. Anyway, if anyone wants to have a look at it, a small version is shown at the above link. Comments, puleeeaaase. Regards Helen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 05:04:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17562 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:04:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g778sZL09469; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:54:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778sYh04962; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:54:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g778kxh03322 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807084659.92467.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:46:59 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:46:59 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Nicole, > > At the risk of "inviting myself" (something my mother always said I > shouldn't do), your camp might be most practical, just because you are, > I think, the smallest group. Conquest has a big shelter, but it also > has 20-30 people milling about and wanting to use it. > > I can bring our little gas stove - and cake? That's perfectly fine, Jean. I am not 100% sure yet where we are, even Mark Griffin wasn't certain! Said that we might be in the 'village' (????) I don't have a clue where that is, can't see it on the map, but will probably be with the Napoleonics. hang on, just in case you haven't seen it yet, here's a map: http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/map-kirby.gif We have four members who might occupy the comfy chairs :-) but we have stools and benches. You're most welcome! cake is always appreciated. :-)) In regards to coke, full fat or diet? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 05:26:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17634 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:26:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g779GBL10018; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g779GAh24065; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:16:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778RJh28943 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04807.; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:28:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:27:17 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g778RJh28943 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:27:00 +0100 Status: RO >>I think we often overestimate how westernised other cultures are, and fail >>to realise they are taking bits from the west and assimilating them into >>their own tradition, not the other way round. >Their own cultural dress is evolving in spite of any Westernization. They >can tell me what year, or what decade, one of their garments is, or at >least what generation still wears them. A Sikh colleague of mine and her husband ran a business some years ago importing modern fashions of Punjabi costume, which you could not then buy here in Derby, UK - i.e. the traditional tunic and trousers, but in unusual fabrics and cuts. She wears Western dress at work, but I saw her in some of their stock at social events. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 05:26:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17638 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:26:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g779GNL10036; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g779GMh24127; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778Uuh29876 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05083.; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:32:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:30:55 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g778Uuh29876 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:30:33 +0100 Status: RO Helen wrote: >Are you going to play "Parson's Farewell"? It's mine and my eldest >daughter's fave Playford tune and it cheered up our awful rainy Sunday last >KH. Do you ever do "Cuckolds All in a Row"? Both tunes are in our repertoire, but I don't think either is in the programmes for this weekend. If you come along we'll have to see what we can do! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 05:31:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17654 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:30:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g779L1L10143; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g779L0h08424; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7798Yh08021 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807090834.93957.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:08:34 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807082437.64760.qmail@web40011.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:08:34 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > > She'll be at Kirby this year with the group. Can't remember what they will > be doing though, or > indeed where they will be. I saw her at Cressing Temple last, and at last year's Kirby. Have to check the map where they might be. > I'd be interested in that, if you care to pass on the details? I have their phone number at home, but they will surely be at the (formerly Oxford) now Warwick market. > I completely agree with you. Personally speaking I couldn't use them either, > but the Elizabethans > did. Yes... but taht does mean tyhat we have changed and evolved in this respect (if in others? Not too sure..) and that we don't have to use it. I have no problems using artificial whalebone, this being the ONLY man-made non period fibre/material that I don't mind being used, just because we have understood now hopefully, that slaughtering whales is not a good thing. Fortunately there are alternatives that we can use and still be > completely authentic, such > as the reeds or bents. Very true, though not in my period and not for the level of society I portray. It was baleen, and in all of the surviving corsets it is baleen. > > My corset was one of the first things I made. Not too diffcult but I'm glad > I won't have to ram > the reeds down it again for a few more years at least. It seriously hurts > your fingers. You'd > never beliwve that what looks like a thick blade of grass could possibly be > so tough. Yikes! It sounds even worse than the by now hated red coat, where I had/have to sew with a custom made leather thimble (or the silk thread just tears away when using a normal thimble), a leather needle to sew through the wool (!) and pliers to pull the blasted needle back out after I've 'hammered' it in. > It is as fine a linen as you can get hold of. For some ruffs you could have > up to 12 times your > neck measurement gathered, pined and set. They are very fidly to get right > particuarly setting > the pleats themselves, hence why you don't want your starch dissolving in the > rain. Oh I can imagine, it sounds like a major amount of work! > Either way it's more money than I can afford on a scientists salary! I can't afford my dresses (and all the tent equipment either)! I don't have a mortgage nor pay I rent though. Next year I really really have to steer clear from new costumes. > Sponsers don't always even give you that much notice! I'm sure it's the same > for your period, > it's not so much the cost of the materials as the wages for the people who > are to make it up. Ahhh, but I don't let THEM dictate what we will wear. I tell them which decade we do when and hw we can accomodate them and if they don't agree, tough. Also, we only do events that sound fun. I would like to do more museum and stately home work, just for one reason, it doesn't matter that it rains! We are invited to do Wrest park next year (they have a lovely orangery) and to have a tea party as well as period supper for the spectators. now I can live with that... > I know! Some events you catch a look at yourself in the mirror and think > "What a frump!", I'd > love to do something posher, perhaps I'll diversify once I have my Tudor kit > complete. Trust me, doing early Anglo-Saxon or late Roman is worse! I 'hated' all those ladies in te very chic clothes during the day and in the eertent while I was inthat awful sausage-type peplos gown (sausage coz it makes you look like one tied in the midle) or layers of coloured linen all wrapped around and making you look fat and unstylish. Now though I wish myself back to being ugly in those, when I am frightened todeath taht something might spill onto my dresses *LOL* I have to seriously learn how to be content and happy at any given time.. > That must look really fetching - fantastic silk mantua splattered with mud. Ohhhh no..... just don't go out of teh shelter then. > For events like Kirby > wool is certianly practicle, not perhaps always flattering. Oh it can be, I have a lovely dark green skirt and it goes well with the cherry silk bodice. A fine wool together with a silk something is no proble for affluent midle class. Nicole - wanting to wear army boots on her feet in the mud under the skirts though! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 05:31:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17658 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:31:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g779L5L10157; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g779L4h08442; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g779CVh08989 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807091230.29675.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:12:30 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:12:30 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > She obviously outlived her husband by a long time - is it what they call a > "widow's peak"? That could well be, Kate. Also, there are several types of these middle-peaked coifs in my collection of images, and they are part of the actual coif, not a separate thing. http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1661_WOMAN_METSU.JPG Her black coif peaks. http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1663_DANCING-COUPLE_STEEN5.JPG Her white one does. http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1665-68_RHETORICIANS_STEEN.JPG Hers is extra cute. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 06:05:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17776 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:05:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g779t4L11108; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g779t0h16099; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:55:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:root@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g779e3h12884 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g779e2q21317 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:40:02 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. In-Reply-To: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:40:01 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, N Kipar wrote: > I have a source for utterly delicious finest Irish linen for no more than £6 > per meter. They are in Leicester. Oooh - do they have a website? Or do mail order outside the UK? Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 06:05:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17780 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:05:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g779tKL11122; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:55:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g779tIh16163; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10303.mail.yahoo.com (web10303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g779suh16062 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:54:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807095455.74345.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.1.45.6] by web10303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:54:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208070222.g772MDh25254@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1471684590-1028714095=:74242" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1156 - 14 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:54:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-1471684590-1028714095=:74242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'd agree with Jean, too many people and not enough space on the Conquest site, even with the big shelter. Coupled with the fact that all of the real cooking stuff belongs to the group (cauldron and fire, etc.) And thanks, but I don't mind bringing my own coke (not like there'll be a shortage of places to get it!) Debbie. >Nicole, >At the risk of "inviting myself" (something my mother always said I >shouldn't do), your camp might be most practical, just because you are, >I think, the smallest group. Conquest has a big shelter, but it also >has 20-30 people milling about and wanting to use it. >I can bring our little gas stove - and cake? >Jean >>N Kipar wrote >>> --- Debbie Lough wrote: > >>> Brilliant idea! (Only could I skip the actual tea, and have coke instead, >>> (being a non-tea-or-coffee-person)?) Only other problem is where (ie, on >>> whose campsite)??? >>> >>> Debbie > >>I don't have coke but could buy some. We have a shelter, coffee and tea. If >>anyone has a better facility though for making hot water other than a small >>cauldron.... (don't have the coveted big one yet, finances are well stretched >>out *L*) then I'd suggest we meet at the camping site with the easiest water >>boiling facilty and biggest shelter space. > >>Nicole --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-1471684590-1028714095=:74242 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

 I'd agree with Jean, too many people and not enough space on the Conquest site, even with the big shelter.  Coupled with the fact that all of the real cooking stuff belongs to the group (cauldron and fire, etc.) 

And thanks, but I don't mind bringing my own coke (not like there'll be a shortage of places to get it!)

Debbie.



>Nicole,

>At the risk of "inviting myself" (something my mother always said I
>shouldn't do), your camp might be most practical, just because you are,
>I think, the smallest group. Conquest has a big shelter, but it also
>has 20-30 people milling about and wanting to use it.

>I can bring our little gas stove - and cake?

>Jean


>>N Kipar wrote
>>> --- Debbie Lough wrote: >
>>> Brilliant idea! (Only could I skip the actual tea, and have coke instead,
>>> (being a non-tea-or-coffee-person)?) Only other problem is where (ie, on
>>> whose campsite)???
>>>
>>> Debbie
>
>>I don't have coke but could buy some. We have a shelter, coffee and tea. If
>>anyone has a better facility though for making hot water other than a small
>>cauldron.... (don't! have the coveted big one yet, finances are well stretched
>>out *L*) then I'd suggest we meet at the camping site with the easiest water
>>boiling facilty and biggest shelter space.
>
>>Nicole



Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs.

http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-1471684590-1028714095=:74242-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 06:30:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17889 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:30:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77AKCL11832; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77AKBh22232; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:20:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g779xVh17075 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:59:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807095930.64937.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:59:30 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807095455.74345.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Kirby Saturday tea Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:59:30 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Debbie Lough wrote: > > I'd agree with Jean, too many people and not enough space on the Conquest > site, even with the big shelter. Coupled with the fact that all of the real > cooking stuff belongs to the group (cauldron and fire, etc.) That's fine, I 'forewarned' my members and lured them with Jean's cake. I better get some bikkies too. > And thanks, but I don't mind bringing my own coke (not like there'll be a > shortage of places to get it!) Rightyho! I have sugar and milk. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 06:30:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17894 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:30:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77AKML11849; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77AKMh22306; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77A0kh17440 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:00:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807100045.92585.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:00:45 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Linen supplier, was Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:00:45 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Ingrid_G._Storrø wrote: > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, N Kipar wrote: > > I have a source for utterly delicious finest Irish linen for no more than > £6 > > per meter. They are in Leicester. > > Oooh - do they have a website? Or do mail order outside the UK? > > Ingrid No they don't have aweb site, sorry, they only have good old telephone. Unfortunately I just realised that they moved and they gave me their new number at Hounslow, now can I find it? Noooooo!!! I have to hope they are at the Kirby market. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 06:34:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17910 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:34:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77AOTL11969; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77AOSh23370; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77A7Oh19081 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:07:24 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:07:24 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't like making the costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why I always start so late. I don't even particularly like sewing. *laughs* Don't get me wrong, I am not forced or anything, but making things like a coat, or breeches or something, properly fitted outer garments akes me sweat blood and tears, that is no fun. I DO like making accessoris very much though. Coifs, hoods, caps, aprons, and even underwear like shirts and shifts, I find the stitching of long flat-felled seams very therapeutic. Small things I like, lovely to carry around and peaceful to stitch, big things I don't like. What I like best is making accessories. What I dislike the most is having to mend/alter/fix big things. What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 06:47:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17967 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:47:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77Ab5L12357; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:37:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Ab4h26263; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40007.mail.yahoo.com (web40007.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77AM6h22752 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807102201.27987.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:22:01 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807090834.93957.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:22:01 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > --- Rachel wrote: > I saw her at Cressing Temple last, and at last year's Kirby. Have to check the > map where they might be. Good luck, last years map was more a hindrance than a help! I got totally lost trying to find the group. > I have their phone number at home, but they will surely be at the (formerly > Oxford) now Warwick market. To be honest I had no idea it had moved. I guess I must have missed the notices in March. Do you have any more details, I have a mounting shopping list for Christmas goodies! > Yes... but taht does mean tyhat we have changed and evolved in this respect (if > in others? Not too sure..) and that we don't have to use it. I have no problems > using artificial whalebone, this being the ONLY man-made non period > fibre/material that I don't mind being used, just because we have understood > now hopefully, that slaughtering whales is not a good thing. Slaughtering any animal should, in my opinion, only ever be done in a humane way and for a suitable purpose. I don't consider it either justifable, necessary or in any way right that an animal should be hunted to the brink of extinction and in such as mannar. Harpooning is a horrid way to die, being neither quick nor painless. It makes me sick to even think about it. I don't want to you get the idea that I was recommending the use of whalebone. Aside from the animals rights to life etc, it is impracticle for a living history costume that is only going to be worn a couple of times a year. The bones need the heat and moisture of the body or else they become brittle and useless. This just adds insult to injury. Not only has a magnificent animal been slaughtered, but the bones are now totally useless and have to be thrown away! > Fortunately there are alternatives that we can use and still be > > completely authentic, such > > as the reeds or bents. > > Very true, though not in my period and not for the level of society I portray. > It was baleen, and in all of the surviving corsets it is baleen. Unfortunately very few Elizabethan corsets have survived. But one that has is boned with reeds not whalebone. At least I can use the reeds, rather than resorting to man-made bones. > Yikes! It sounds even worse than the by now hated red coat, where I had/have to > sew with a custom made leather thimble (or the silk thread just tears away when > using a normal thimble), a leather needle to sew through the wool (!) and > pliers to pull the blasted needle back out after I've 'hammered' it in. Any sewing that I get that needs that kind of force gets handed over to Simon. While not a sewer his fingers are at least 10x stronger than mine and I don't end up with holes in my thumbs! I hope the coat was worth all the blood and tears in the end. > Ahhh, but I don't let THEM dictate what we will wear. I tell them which decade > we do when and hw we can accomodate them and if they don't agree, tough. Also, > we only do events that sound fun. I would like to do more museum and stately > home work, just for one reason, it doesn't matter that it rains! We are invited > to do Wrest park next year (they have a lovely orangery) and to have a tea > party as well as period supper for the spectators. now I can live with that... Every so often there are mumerings of doing a posh event by some of the sponsers until we give them a quote for the cost of the costumes. They become quite interested in the lower classes at that point! > Trust me, doing early Anglo-Saxon or late Roman is worse! I 'hated' all those > ladies in te very chic clothes during the day and in the eertent while I was > inthat awful sausage-type peplos gown (sausage coz it makes you look like one > tied in the midle) or layers of coloured linen all wrapped around and making > you look fat and unstylish. Now though I wish myself back to being ugly in > those, when I am frightened todeath taht something might spill onto my dresses > *LOL* I have to seriously learn how to be content and happy at any given time.. Every so often I fancy doing early Georgian, just for the embroidery. However the need for a wig usually puts me off. Tudor's great if you have shorter hair as you can just stuff it into a coif. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 07:34:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18174 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:34:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77BO6L13975; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77BO3h08069; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77BD8h05350 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06289 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:14:38 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: H-Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:14:38 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted > redcoat) what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't > like making the costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why > I always start so late. I don't even particularly like sewing. > ... > What I like best is making accessories. > What I dislike the most is having to mend/alter/fix big things. Oh, how funny, Nicole! You and I should make a team! After spending years making full outfits to wear, I found I was less interested in "playing" in reenactment and more interested in just the costume research. As I began sewing only what I needed to support the research, I realized that I had never liked doing the accessories -- headdress, hose, shoes, belts, jewelry, pouches, gloves -- and did them only because I needed to complete the outfits for purposes of wearing them. Once I stopped needing to wear them, I stopped sewing them. What I like best is working out the big things -- figuring out the cut of a garment so it uses a fabric type and width appropriate for the period, a range of technologies known in the period, and a sequence of steps that could be done by the type of people who did the work with the tools they had available, and so that it produces a result that drapes as it appears in pictures and behaves as described in documents. Once I have the cutting method down, I lose interest. I never bother to add trim or decorations, and I may not even finish the seams or hem unless I'm testing how it affects the wear/hang. Rather than make a piece for myself to wear, now, I usually find a willing student/model of suitable body type who will let me experiment on her/him. It's easier to do the fitting that way, anyway. Then that person takes the stuff away and trims it and accessorizes it and wears it to reenactments and reports back to me. Sometimes I'm smart enough to take pictures before it disappears forever :-P I have to have a certain number of costumes for myself, mostly for lecture and demonstration purposes, which is very annoying. But it's more reliable than trying to get my test subjects in the same place as my lectures. One year at the International Medieval Congress at Kalamazoo I managed to get three of my fitted dress subjects in one place so I could actually present a paper on the topic. I scheduled that lecture for the year that one of the women was giving a paper of her own -- she wouldn't have come to the conference otherwise. The other two were regulars, fortunately. The three of them had three distinct body types (one tall and voluptuous, one slender and willowy, one short and plump) and their dresses were in three different fabrics (silk, linen, wool). I don't think I could ever pull that one off again. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:12:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32066 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:12:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77D24L17588; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77D22h02331; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77D1eh02192 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:01:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g77ClX912247 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:47:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D511B94.63CB2C@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved References: <20020807080948.13854.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 07:07:32 -0600 Status: RO No kidding! ;-) I came into just doing primarily 16th c. English/French, and now there's the Anglo-Saxon, and the 13th c. German, and the Gothic Fitted Gowns, and the 16th c. middle-class Flemish, and a Restoration dress (like some of the stuff Nicole's got...I keep drooling at that blue dress Bjarne made!), and some mid-late 18th c. American Colonial clothing (middle-class, here), and I'd really love a sack-backed gown, and one of those great outfits with the shorter gown and quilted petticoats.... --Sue > --- Sharon Nevin wrote: > > > > And won't that be terrible :). As it is I want to sew a late 17th century > > dress thanks to your lovely website. : ) I really think this mailing list > > should come with a warning of something along the lines of different > > costumes eras are contagious and may lead to sewing of costumes from > > different eras to which you have no real purpose for and no where to wear > > them. :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32174 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DN5L18572; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:23:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DN4h08928; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77D4Zh03199 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:04:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807130435.19384.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:04:35 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807102201.27987.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:04:35 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > > To be honest I had no idea it had moved. I guess I must have missed the > notices in March. Do you > have any more details, I have a mounting shopping list for Christmas goodies! I only found out at Hounslow, traders had the notice on the market. It's at the Warwick leasure centre or something, I don't know more yet either. > Every so often there are mumerings of doing a posh event by some of the > sponsers until we give > them a quote for the cost of the costumes. They become quite interested in > the lower classes at > that point! Quote for costumes? Now that's a new one, so you vary the fee according to what you wear? Interesting concept, I guess that's why we always just struggle around the insurance-payment mark, we only do what looks like fun and some of the fun things are not paid at all but fun-fun. *L* > Every so often I fancy doing early Georgian, just for the embroidery. > However the need for a wig > usually puts me off. Why? It's not a problem at all to wear a wig. A good wig feels just like a hat and no worse. It really isn't bad. *S* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:33:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32181 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:33:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DNGL18585; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DNFh09013; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77D6eh03891 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g77CqW913628 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:52:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D511CC1.BEF10274@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020806151929.16402.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 07:12:33 -0600 Status: RO Holy sh!t, Nicole! Can I pretty-please have your clothing budget? --Sue, making do with much cheaper stuff ;-( N Kipar wrote: > > *snippage* > I just paid 3000 pound sterling for my mantua. Yes, that's just the > dress, not the wig, not the shoes, not the accessories other than the fontange. > I don't think one of their uniforms is £ 3000 (that's 4700 dollars appr.), > well, I'm talking about your ordinary foot soldier here. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:37:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32199 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:37:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DRNL18870; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DRLh10395; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:27:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DHph07240 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:17:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0PECKX5C004444@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:17:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0PEC6QOC003P5Z@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:17:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:13:18 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:13:01 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:13:00 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian In-reply-to: <200208041812.g74ICtF14859@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D5E4CC3963@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:13:00 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Actually, some people from England aren't English - they're British. I > met a man from up near the Scottish/English border not far from > Yorkshire who told me about the first time he was called English here > in the States. He thought they were referring to someone else, > because, as he said "I'm not English, I'm British. I have no Saxon > blood". York was part of England pre 1603, but he claimed his > ethnicity from further back than England! Actually, I always maintain to be English, not British. I am from England, not Ireland, Wales or Scotland, therefore I am English. I think it should be more a matter of personal preference (English vs. British, Welsh vs. British etc) rather than a hard and fast rule. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:45:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32226 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:45:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77Da2L19378; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Da1h13165; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DJoh07779 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:19:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g77D5g917115 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D511FD6.8D9AEA7E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? References: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 07:25:42 -0600 Status: RO Ooooh....good one. My favorite parts are probably the research, planning and the initial stages (where I'm choosing among fabrics and buttons and trims in my fabric stash)....I'm really lousy about follow-through, which means I've been living with a whole lot of unfinished stuff that I'm now giving away locally (on an SCA list for my region/kingdom). I used to just adore sewing on the machine, but spent nine years doing it for a living (2 as a tailor/alterations person in a dry cleaners, and 7 making tents, tipis, etc.), and that just about ruined it for me, even if it did get me to a scary-fast stage where I like to do basic straight sewing and such without pins. So my favorite parts of actual sewing are things like the embroidery for the caps and shifts, and I'm learning hand-sewing stitches for the seams, and learning to make bobbin laces and passementaire (sp?) so I can do my own lace and braids for my 16th c. stuff. And I kinda enjoy hand-rolled hems on veils and such. My least-favorite sewing would have to be the really boring utilitarian cr@p like endless hems, or hand-sewing a bodice lining to a curved armhole. And zippers (yucko!) on modern stuff. --Sue N Kipar wrote: > > What I like best is making accessories. > What I dislike the most is having to mend/alter/fix big things. > > What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:50:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32247 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:50:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DeKL19589; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:40:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DeJh14565; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:40:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DNwh09292 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:23:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0PLTAZM80048X0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:23:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0PLRLVHA003F55@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:23:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:19:17 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:18:20 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:18:12 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, In-reply-to: <200208041812.g74ICtF14859@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D5FB7A450A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:18:11 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > and the New Zealand men! WHOOHOO! *thinks she has to > move to Kiwi land* Nicole! Your liking for men in skirts is showing again! Besides, most of the Kiwi's are in England or travelling the world anyway. I swear that I meet more new-zealanders who are "travelling" to see the world or who have relocated to England than any other nationality! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:54:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32263 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:54:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DiQL19813; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DiPh15905; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:44:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DPgh09871 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:25:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA16832 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:25:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: H-Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hm...I have to say that what I really love is the preliminary research, the designing of the pattern and fitting of the sloper. My other favorite part of the process is putting the finished garment on and saying "wow! It worked perfectly!" (which doesn't happen as often as I like, but is really cool when it does.) Everything in between--hand finishing, buttonholes & lacing holes (oh, the humanity!), hem-stitching, fiddling with pleats, basting, re-fitting and adjusting, etc. is so-so. But that first fitted sloper inspires me, and looking forward to the finished garment is what keeps me going. After that, the thing I like best is having an excuse to hold several yards of luxurious fabric between my hands for hours on end. ;> Drea On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) > what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't like making the > costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why I always start so late. > I don't even particularly like sewing. *laughs* > Don't get me wrong, I am not forced or anything, but making things like a coat, > or breeches or something, properly fitted outer garments akes me sweat blood > and tears, that is no fun. > I DO like making accessoris very much though. Coifs, hoods, caps, aprons, and > even underwear like shirts and shifts, I find the stitching of long flat-felled > seams very therapeutic. Small things I like, lovely to carry around and > peaceful to stitch, big things I don't like. > What I like best is making accessories. > What I dislike the most is having to mend/alter/fix big things. > > What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:58:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32292 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:58:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DmYL20029; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:48:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DmXh17271; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77DQ3h09992 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:26:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807132602.32713.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:26:02 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D511CC1.BEF10274@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:26:02 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Holy sh!t, Nicole! Can I pretty-please have your clothing budget? > --Sue, making do with much cheaper stuff ;-( *LOL* sure, if you pay off my credit card for me? Nicole - with ONE big and expensive passion: costumes ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:58:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32296 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:58:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DmhL20052; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Dmhh17354; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DXBh12178 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g77DJ3920808 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5122F4.637A89CF@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020807072739.21262.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 07:39:00 -0600 Status: RO You guys in the UK can actually *get* real whalebone? I think it's a forbidden import here in the US...if I wanted to do a corset or pair of bodies with whalebone, I'd have to use the fake stuff (I hear there are some reasonable plastic substitutes, but I haven't pursued them). The costs thing here for doing the more elaborate time periods authentically is really interesting....I've been a big fan of 16th c. stuff for a long time (love the elaborate combinations, textures, colors, etc.), and, being in the SCA, could make fairly cheap alternatives using metallic trims, fake pearls, cotton upholstery fabrics, etc. Now, thanks to the influence of folks on this list in particular ! (thanks so much ;-), I've definitely moved from the glitzy-but-acceptable-where-I-am to the plainer-but-more-authentic. And it's just as much fun. I'm having a hell of a time finding any useful wools, though.....*sigh*..... --Sue Rachel wrote: > > > Well for a start you could prety much do the whole thing in silk. The smock could still be of > linen and the linen fabric that I can get hold of direct from Ireland is around £11 a metre, which > isn't too bad. Then there is the stays, made of silk and boned with either real whalebone or > reeds. My own corset is boned with reeds and it is so much more comfortable than those done with > the plastic or metal bones. Real whalebone is where you start to see the huge costs coming in as > it is amazingly expensive stuff. You have a ruff for the neck, which can be an awful lot of > fabric if you are going for the ridiculous court ruffs. Partlet, probably embroidered. Then you > have a farthingale which is linen and willow (fairly cheap), bum roll (linen and wool). > Petticoats which will be silk. Then you can either have a kirtle or a forepart depending on the > king of gown you are going to wear over the top, this is of course silk. Then comes the gown over > the top. Bearing in mind that silk woven to a C16 pattern has been sourced but it costs £120-£240 > a metre you can start to see why the cost adds up. This is all without the accessories, > embroidered gloves, stomacher, shoes etc that you would need to finish it off. It isn't hard to > see the cost swiftly mounting, apart from the fact that to get the whole thing ready for next > season would require alot of people doing an awful lot of sewing! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:58:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32300 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:58:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DmnL20072; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Dmnh17411; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DXMh12242 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0PXEQ2OG00462I@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:33:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0PX5Y0ZG003OQ5@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:33:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:28:29 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:28:10 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:28:09 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressing up? (WAS: How I got involved) In-reply-to: <200208041953.g74JrBF06876@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D625701FBA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:28:09 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > My mother knew I liked dressing up in costumes when I was little > (what Americans call dressing up, not what dressing up means in the > UK) Kayta, what do you mean by that - what I've always known, here in Southern England, as "dressing-up" seems to be the same as what you mean by it. Friends of mine, when I was a kid, had a large box of dressing-up clothes and we would play dress-up and pretend to be all sorts of characters (hmmmm.... that's an old memory. My favourite outfit was this voluminous white muslyin-like dress - probably an early 1970's knee or calf-length maternity dress on an adult) that seemed to go on forever and I would always find a reason to play a character that wore that one..... How's that for a telling Early sign.... Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32356 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:11:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77E16L20829; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77E15h21556; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77Dish16115 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:44:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807134453.77814.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:44:53 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D5FB7A450A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:44:53 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > > and the New Zealand men! WHOOHOO! *thinks she has to > > move to Kiwi land* > > Nicole! Your liking for men in skirts is showing again! Uhm... yes I guess it does *G* Thank goodness, teddy, we have established different tastes in skirts on men. *L* > Besides, most of the Kiwi's are in England or travelling the world > anyway. I swear that I meet more new-zealanders who are > "travelling" to see the world or who have relocated to England than > any other nationality! I don't know, I tend to hit the South Africans, and that is NOT a bad thing! *swoons* How come they look so good, or are only their export articles such good-lookers? They are missing skirts though. ;-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 10:11:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32361 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:11:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77E1HL20850; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77E1Hh21652; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Dlbh17020 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:47:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22444.; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:47:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:46:25 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g77Dlbh17020 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:45:59 +0100 Status: RO According to the SK website, the new venue for the Reenactors' Market will be the Warwickshire Exhibition Centre at Radford Semele near Leamington. >> Every so often there are mumerings of doing a posh event by some of >>the sponsers until we give them a quote for the cost of the costumes. >Quote for costumes? Now that's a new one, so you vary the fee according >to whatyou wear? Interesting concept It's a new one on me too! I don't have anything to do with negotiating fees for our group, but as far as I know we take what we can get regardless of what we intend to wear. Our chief expense is instruments, not costumes. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 10:15:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32407 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:15:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77E5PL21178; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:05:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77E5Oh23184; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:05:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DcYh13949 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0Q4NKSGW003Z3R@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:38:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0Q4KXBPC003OQ5@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:38:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:33:41 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:33:37 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:33:32 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) In-reply-to: <200208042123.g74LN1F28191@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D63CBE6FDA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:33:32 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I've done a cotehardie (and found it comfy, if not the easiest > thing to sew... I even filked the experience...) Which aslo leads me to ask.... How many filkers on h-costume? Don't be shy now. Raise your hand and admit it. I'll get hte ball rolling. Hello, I'm Teddy and I've been attending FilkCons in England for the last nine years or so. I even went as far as travelling to Caneda last year to attend a filkcon in Toronato (and go trim shopping with Danielle...). No yet been across to Germany for FilkContinental, but have several friends among the German filkers and have performed on a couple of filk albums. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 10:24:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32582 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:24:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77EE8L21692; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77EE6h26642; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:14:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77E0Ch21266 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:00:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g77Dk4929244 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D51294C.2E3D270C@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020807132602.32713.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:06:04 -0600 Status: RO *Laughing myself* At the moment, all my extra fundage (and my own credit cards!) is going towards the trip I'm making to your part of the world at the end of the month.....I'm taking one completely empty suitcase, and very much expect to come back with it full! Probably mostly with books for myself (my major habit besides fabric and embroidery flosses). If I spend money on anything costume-related in the relative future (other than the above), it'd be on some nice wools. If I could ever find any. Oh, well, time to get ready and go to work....Have a nice day, everybody! --Sue, part-time computer geek, full-time blackworker, and wannabe world traveler ;-) N Kipar wrote: > > --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Holy sh!t, Nicole! Can I > pretty-please have your clothing budget? > > --Sue, making do with much cheaper stuff ;-( > > *LOL* sure, if you pay off my credit card for me? > > Nicole - with ONE big and expensive passion: costumes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 10:28:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32663 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:28:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77EIQL21937; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77EIOh28442; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:18:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77E1ph21896 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g77Dli929842 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5129B0.F060A015@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:07:44 -0600 Status: RO ROTFLMAO! Yeah, there is that...how could I have forgotten? *sigh*..... --sue Drea Leed wrote: > > Hm...I have to say that what I really love is the preliminary research, > the designing of the pattern and fitting of the sloper. My other favorite > part of the process is putting the finished garment on and saying "wow! It > worked perfectly!" (which doesn't happen as often as I like, but is really > cool when it does.) > > > After that, the thing I like best is having an excuse to hold several > yards of luxurious fabric between my hands for hours on end. ;> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 10:58:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00842 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:58:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77EmSL24481; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:48:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77EmOh11925; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77ETJh03306 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0RVVL60G003NWF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:29:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0RVS6IOC003OQ5@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:29:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:24:38 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:23:51 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:23:48 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action In-reply-to: <200208061314.g76DEUT20694@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D7131A5D18@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:23:48 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Anybody fancy a tea-party? Maybe about half to an hour after closing > - time enough to close up, but not so late as to interfere with your > beer-tent enjoyment? Yes please Jean. Teddy (still trying to finish new yellow and green parti-coloured hose and a red houpellande for Kirby - and to find time to make something with a red "H" on it so other h-costumers will be able to spot it!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 11:03:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00964 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:03:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77EreL24879; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Erdh14447; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:53:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77EhRh09717 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:43:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0SE8ODGW004A7L@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:43:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0SE5ZXUQ003F55@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:43:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:38:40 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:37:42 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:37:40 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action In-reply-to: <200208070222.g772MDh25254@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D74E213E84@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:37:40 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Nicole, > > At the risk of "inviting myself" (something my mother always said I > shouldn't do), your camp might be most practical, just because you > are, I think, the smallest group. Conquest has a big shelter, but it > also has 20-30 people milling about and wanting to use it. > > I can bring our little gas stove - and cake? Tom and I have a *huge* tent (12 ft by 22ft) and haven't begun to furnish it properly yet - so there' lotsd of space and just the two of us. We'll have our little stove too and tea and cofffee (instant) supplies (though not enough suitable cups, so bring your own) so we could host it if you like. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 11:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01458 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:27:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77FHxL27030; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:17:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77FHwh27079; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:17:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77EmBh11811 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:48:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0SKC3N9S003F3E@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:48:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0SKBRUIM003W17@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:48:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:43:38 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:43:35 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:43:32 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states In-reply-to: <200208070222.g772MDh25254@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D7673C022F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:43:32 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to > >have the most fun with their clothes. > > It's not prejudice - they really do. And the most fun with hair and > hats. > White people have boring hair and hats. Same here in England... I used to live near this wonderful little "african" clothes shop run by the most wonderful woman who did made to measure clothing for really reasonable prices. Those wonderful africal prints and bright colours were her stock in trade but she'd make up stuff in your own fabric and she'd copy garments you took in or work out patterns for you. I had her make my "Corporate Elf" suit for my Shadow-run (roleplay) character from almost fluorescent yellow cotton with dark green satin trim (a style remeniscent of something Joan Collins wore in Dynasty, but more OTT) and she was delighted to make the tight-fitting skirt four inches shorter for me at no extra charge (she's been trying to get my cousin to have her skirts shorter too).... I loved that costume. I managed to get dark green satin-tights and some high-heeled court shoes which I dyed yellow to match the suit. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 11:36:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01632 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:36:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77FQBL27894; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77FQAh01986; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:26:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from moutvdomng2.kundenserver.de (moutvdom.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77F9rh22537 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [195.20.224.204] (helo=mrvdomng3.kundenserver.de) by moutvdomng2.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #2) id 17cSRX-0005Yl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:09:47 +0200 Received: from [208.252.48.163] (helo=lhiggins.bustles-and-bows.co.uk) by mrvdomng3.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #2) id 17cSRX-0008NH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:09:47 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020807160814.02ab5d80@pop.oneandone.co.uk> X-Sender: pt7788416-2801@pop.oneandone.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: The Duchess Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressing up? (WAS: How I got involved) In-Reply-To: <3D625701FBA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200208041953.g74JrBF06876@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:09:23 +0100 Status: RO At 02:28 PM 8/7/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > My mother knew I liked dressing up in costumes when I was little > > (what Americans call dressing up, not what dressing up means in the > > UK) > >Kayta, what do you mean by that - what I've always known, here in >Southern England, as "dressing-up" seems to be the same as >what you mean by it. I always took it as meaning putting on my best posh frock for some important event. Lissa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 12:45:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03075 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:44:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77GYiL05159; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:34:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77GYfh11041; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:34:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77GKKh02688 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:20:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p119.directcon.net [209.79.209.168]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g77GJvfM032501; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:19:58 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020807092518.010a9b90@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) In-Reply-To: <3D63CBE6FDA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200208042123.g74LN1F28191@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:25:18 -0700 Status: RO At 02:33 PM 08/07/2002 +0000, Teddy wrote: > >How many filkers on h-costume? > Hi, I'm Margo. As a former Bard of the Mists in the SCA, I found myself obliged to filk on occasion. For some peculiar reason I cannot understand, my two best recieved filks were both about vegetables; "The Knight Who Would Not Eat His Vegetables" and "The Zucchini Song", filked to the tune of "The Wild Rover" and based on the results of the time my mother planted TWELVE zucchini plants for a family of five. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 13:56:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04728 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:56:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77HkiL12634; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77HkiS22780; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77H7QS00460 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:07:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip252.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.252]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g77H7Mo25556 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Message-ID: <3D50F3BE.4173.31866FD@localhost> Priority: normal References: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:17:34 -0700 Status: RO > Hm...I have to say that what I really love is the preliminary > research, the designing of the pattern and fitting of the sloper. My > other favorite part of the process is putting the finished garment on > and saying "wow! It worked perfectly!" (which doesn't happen as often > as I like, but is really cool when it does.) > > Everything in between--hand finishing, buttonholes & lacing holes (oh, > the humanity!), hem-stitching, fiddling with pleats, basting, > re-fitting and adjusting, etc. is so-so. But that first fitted sloper > inspires me, and looking forward to the finished garment is what keeps > me going. While I like the research and designing part, the planning for the fabrics, trim etc. and the planning of how I'm going to draft it out, I merely tolerate all that goes on until I get to the final hand finishing part (which I enjoy doing. Good thing since I had over 200" to hand narrow rolled hem last weekend) and then get to see the finished product. > After that, the thing I like best is having an excuse to hold several > yards of luxurious fabric between my hands for hours on end. ;> > > Drea Now *this* I can really relate to. It explains why I have so many boxes and rolls of fabrics that I have to have 2 rooms to put it all in. (However, it does come in handy, like for the dress I finished and wore last Saturday: I had over 20 yards of black silk taffeta, all the linen I needed for the linings and underpinings as well as 2 yards of black silk organza for making the shrug to go over it. As Teddy calls it "a posh frock." I just wish I had a website so that when I get the pictures back I could show them to you. Teddy, since you are on Pegasus, I'll be able to mail you one!) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 13:56:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04727 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:56:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77HkFL12499; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Hk6S22256; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77HIsS07114 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:18:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.108]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g77HIrv356260 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:18:53 -0400 Message-ID: <00e201c23e36$86aa9ec0$6c2daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:19:02 -0700 Status: RO I think I like the designing best, and then the putting it together to see if it comes out like it was in my head best. Having it work on stage exactly as I had planned Yay! Making things fit fussy whiney actors... booh. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Nay then, let the devil wear black, for I'll have a suit of sables..." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:07 AM Subject: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? > I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) > what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't like making the > costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why I always start so late. > I don't even particularly like sewing. *laughs* > Don't get me wrong, I am not forced or anything, but making things like a coat, > or breeches or something, properly fitted outer garments akes me sweat blood > and tears, that is no fun. > I DO like making accessoris very much though. Coifs, hoods, caps, aprons, and > even underwear like shirts and shifts, I find the stitching of long flat-felled > seams very therapeutic. Small things I like, lovely to carry around and > peaceful to stitch, big things I don't like. > What I like best is making accessories. > What I dislike the most is having to mend/alter/fix big things. > > What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 14:40:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05770 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:40:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77IU5L17014; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:30:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77IU3S16338; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.eskimo.com (root@mail.eskimo.com [204.122.16.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77IMJS12250 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:22:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bently (12-201.075.popsite.net [64.24.186.201]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA11190 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004401c23e40$399cc680$c9ba1840@bently> From: "David" To: References: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:28:23 -0700 Status: RO > Then there is the stays, made of silk and boned with either > > real whalebone or > > reeds. > > Real whalebone??? I don't think so dear, and I must admit I would go bonkers if > you did and I woud indeed notify the RSPCA. Whalebone (whales) is strictly > under protection!!! Where the hell would you get it from? I am most intrigued, > and no, am sorry, not in a good way. How could anyone want to use anything > from a whale still nowadays? Sorry.... but our whale population is dwindling > fast and the thought of using something from a whale and thus probably just > indirectly, but nevertheless, encourage their demise makes my blood boil. > Sorry. *S* > What about bone from one of the many dead, beached whales? That wouldn't harm the whale population in any way, and the whale certainly wouldn't be needing it anymore.... Pam Dotson Everett, WA USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 15:18:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06677 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:18:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77J85L20242; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:08:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77J84S07203; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77IvrS01619 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:57:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cW0E-000FHs-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 19:57:52 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Saturday tea References: <20020807095455.74345.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> <20020807095930.64937.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020807095930.64937.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:56:17 +0100 Status: RO OK folks, I think we're settled: Saturday, 6.30pm, Nicole's camp (we'll find you somehow!), bring cake, bring coke, bring children as applicable. Happy camping 'till then, Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 15:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07273 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:48:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77JcQL23024; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77JcOS23840; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:38:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77JUlS19639 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:30:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807193046.5478.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:30:46 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Saturday tea To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:30:46 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > OK folks, I think we're settled: > > Saturday, 6.30pm, Nicole's camp (we'll find you somehow!), bring cake, > bring coke, bring children as applicable. > > Happy camping 'till then, > > Jean > -- Does anybody have a mobile with them? I could give a ring on the Friday evening IF we don't meet up in the beertent on the Friday. Don't forget I'll have a great big red cross on the white bib across my boobs. (ouch, sorry, that lame and sad joke had to be done) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 16:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07585 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:17:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77K74L25663; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77K74S26743; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77JqUS09997 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:52:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cWr7-0004To-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:52:29 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hijab (was forehead cloths) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:25:38 +0100 Status: RO Katie Lewis wrote >--- Jean Waddie wrote: > >> I've just recently been investigating religious headcovering, >>> and having had it pointed out to me, noticing that many women wearing >>> hijab wear a small cap or tied headscarf underneath, which comes down to >>> the forehead, and the large headscarf sits further back on the head. >> > >I'm not sure if you are talking about the same styles of hijab that I'm >familliar with from what I saw Muslim women wearing in India or not, >but afaik it isn't a seperate cap. Rather the headscarf is draped in >such a way as to give the appearance of a seperate cap. > >I stink at describing things like this, but basically the scarf is >first draped over the head coming down onto the forehead, with the >scarf shorter on one side of the head. Then the longer side is pulled >across the chest and over the head (on about the middle of the head) >and then tucked in on the side that was initally left longer. >When a triangular scarf is worn it is often folded on either side of >the forehead, which can also give the appearance of a seperate cap. > > >Hope this helps, > >Katie I have seen both these styles, but I read some websites which said women do often wear a separate cap, partly to keep the hair in order, underneath. The ones I have identified as being this often have a little decorative edging on the part tight on the forehead, which doesn't appear on the layer further back. I was impressed today at some women wearing the triangular scarf twice round the head, as your first description, and with the free end just flipped over the top, hanging down maybe as far as the top of the ear. They must have been tourists - the usual Edinburgh wind wouldn't let anything stay like that for long! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 16:17:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07596 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:17:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77K7FL25687; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77K7FS26833; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77JqVS10003 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:52:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cWr7-0004Tq-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:52:30 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? References: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:51:11 +0100 Status: RO N Kipar wrote >I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) >what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't like making the >costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why I always start so late. >I don't even particularly like sewing. *laughs* >Don't get me wrong, I am not forced or anything, but making things like a coat, >or breeches or something, properly fitted outer garments akes me sweat blood >and tears, that is no fun. >I DO like making accessoris very much though. Coifs, hoods, caps, aprons, and >even underwear like shirts and shifts, I find the stitching of long flat-felled >seams very therapeutic. Small things I like, lovely to carry around and >peaceful to stitch, big things I don't like. >What I like best is making accessories. >What I dislike the most is having to mend/alter/fix big things. > >What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? > >Nicole > I HATE cutting out. It takes me so long to get a costume started, because it takes so long to get through that first stage. Doesn't help that I do it on the floor and it makes my knees sore. And that's why I prefer doing early period stuff to modern, because even worse than cutting out is marking up patterns for darts and dots and all that. Grrrrr. I like getting all the long seams done, when suddenly it looks like a garment and you can pick it all up at once and see what it's going to be. And then I like the hemming. I don't enjoy handstitching seams, except on little things like hats - I could do it so much quicker on the machine. But I can sit for hours quietly hemming. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 16:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07614 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:21:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77KC2L26226; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77KC1S29583; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77JvFS21520 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cWvh-0006RH-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:57:13 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century References: <20020805194555.25256.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <000f01c23d82$f0f18c80$5b1786d9@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <000f01c23d82$f0f18c80$5b1786d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:55:56 +0100 Status: RO Now this is the second we've seen of this gauzy type, but it doesn't seem to match with the embroidered linen examples seen laid out in museums. Can we find any linen forehead cloths, worn with the linen coif? Jean Helen Partner wrote > > >Hello All > > >Just a quick link b4 I get over excited >http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/Exhibitions/Cromwell/where.htm > >Have a look At Oliver Cromwell's mother's portrait. I've just been watching >Channel 5's prog on the ECW (seen it b4 on The History Channel) But, low >and behold, comes a portrait of Cromwell's mother. On our tv, it looked >suspiciously like she was wearing a fc *over* the coif and with the pointy >end showing! I could be wrong. Anyway, if anyone wants to have a look at >it, a small version is shown at the above link. > >Comments, puleeeaaase. > >Regards > >Helen >----- Original Message ----- >From: "N Kipar" >To: >Sent: 05 August 2002 20:45 >Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead >Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > > >> --- Jean Waddie wrote: > >> > These are all coming up really small on my browser, but I'm not sure I >> > can see any of these as separate triangular pieces twinned with coifs - >> > they just look like headscarves or similar tied very low. Am I missing >> > something vital? >> >> No you are not missing anything vital, this was exactly the point and >question, >> are these even forehead cloths? Also, the triangular piece wouldn't hang >into >> the forehead, but the other edge. >> Oh, and yes, the pix were small, they are details from paintings. :-) >> >> Nicole >> >> ===== >> Nicole Kipar M.A. >> Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >> Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >> URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >> Email: marquis@kipar.org >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Everything you'll ever need on one web page >> from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >> http://uk.my.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 16:56:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07799 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:56:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77Kk6L29630; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Kk1S19438; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77KWZS11705 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:32:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807203206.42152.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 21:32:06 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:32:06 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Now this is the second we've seen of this gauzy type, but it doesn't > seem to match with the embroidered linen examples seen laid out in > museums. Can we find any linen forehead cloths, worn with the linen > coif? > > Jean I haven't found a single one, Jean, not a single one, in 1GB of scanned images. Nicole - really fascinated by these things by now ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 19:27:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08615 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:27:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77NHFL14276; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:17:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NH3D00876; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77MkUS25422 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:46:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.169] (as3-4-183.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.169]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g77MkTb12971 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D63CBE6FDA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <3D63CBE6FDA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:38:06 -0700 Status: RO At 2:33 PM +0000 8/7/02, Teddy wrote: > > I've done a cotehardie (and found it comfy, if not the easiest >> thing to sew... I even filked the experience...) > >Which aslo leads me to ask.... > >How many filkers on h-costume? > >Don't be shy now. Raise your hand and admit it. I suppose I might marginally count in that category .... (Oh, ok, been filking for a couple decades, past multiple filk con-com member, past filk con-chair, couple albums and a songbook, occasional guest/toastmistress at filk-cons.) I tend to do original music, though, rather than the parody material that many people understand by the term "filk". Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 19:40:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08720 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:40:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77NUGL15889; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NU8K00516; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:30:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NJLD02781 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:19:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p116-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.212.116] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17ca5F-0007P1-00; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:19:17 +1200 Message-ID: <004301c23e68$dcc787a0$74d4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020807134453.77814.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:19:20 +1200 Status: RO Oi! Most of the real Kiwi men are down on the farm. There is such a sortage of women in the rural areas that there was even a documentary about it! And a competition type thing for women from the cities to go meet them. Seriously tempted as all I meet are gay men, serial polygamists and certified stalkers! Not surprising really seeing as I do perform on stage a lot;)- erm as in we are talking about actors here which are a different breed altogether... Men in skirts here??? He'd be a raving "poofter" mate;). Unless of course he's in the artsy crowd which is very much an underground culture here;) And Maori, Polynesian and Scottish 'skirts' are mostly worn for cultural events:) I doubt there are 4million kiwis out in the world;) Yes, there are more than a handful of people in a land of sheep and grass;) We are even getting infill housing, rows and rows of apartments plunked down in the middle of nowhere.. in a country where the 1/4 acre section was the Kiwi Dream.. it's a little disturbing. michaela living in "the big smoke" which is not quite as apt as it might be. Christchrch has a terrible smog problem in winter with all the fires- in't on the plains and all the smoke stays over the city. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 19:53:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08822 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:53:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77NhXL17008; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:43:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NhYK06568; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:43:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NJuD03113 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:19:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g77NJrNw015232 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:19:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208072319.g77NJrNw015232@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Heather Rose Jones" at Aug 07, 2002 10:38:06 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO so,um, what is filking? > > At 2:33 PM +0000 8/7/02, Teddy wrote: > > > I've done a cotehardie (and found it comfy, if not the easiest > >> thing to sew... I even filked the experience...) > > > >Which aslo leads me to ask.... > > > >How many filkers on h-costume? > > > >Don't be shy now. Raise your hand and admit it. > > I suppose I might marginally count in that category .... > > (Oh, ok, been filking for a couple decades, past multiple filk > con-com member, past filk con-chair, couple albums and a songbook, > occasional guest/toastmistress at filk-cons.) > > I tend to do original music, though, rather than the parody material > that many people understand by the term "filk". > > Heather > -- > ***** > Heather Rose Jones > hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu > ***** > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 19:57:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08888 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:57:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77Nm0L17404; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Nm1K08446; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from broadviewnet.net (unix4.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77NXNK02110 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:33:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25056 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2002 23:33:20 -0000 Received: from s37.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.87) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 23:33:20 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020807192852.00ac4430@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200208071817.g77IH6S09428@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_160872657==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Filkers on h-costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 19:36:01 -0400 Status: RO --=====================_160872657==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 12:17 PM 8/7/02 -0600, you wrote: >Which aslo leads me to ask.... > >How many filkers on h-costume? > >Don't be shy now. Raise your hand and admit it. *shyly raising hand* Hi, I'm Vik, and I've been filking for years. You=20 can't pay enough to sing what I write (Cuz my voice could turn you off=20 music forever... yep *sigh* that bad). I've never done it with any sort of= =20 group (ok, friends of mine and I got really happy on mead one night and=20 wrote some stuff) just on my own, and never with any intentions of letting= =20 anyone read it. However, the best laid plans, don't you know.... long=20 story short, none of mine's ever been recorded, though those rascally=20 sisters of mine keep poking me to write it, so who knows.. *shrug* Vik, Authoress of "Green Sleeve" and "One Of Those Knights" =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4= =F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4 Lady Victoria's Castle Closet: Custom Clothing and Fine Renaissance Designs http://www.castlecloset.cc Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations 15% discount to List Members, --=====================_160872657==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 12:17 PM 8/7/02 -0600, you wrote:
Which aslo leads me to=20 ask....

How many filkers on h-costume?

Don't be shy now.  Raise your hand and admit it.

*shyly raising hand*  Hi, I'm Vik, and I've been filking for years.  You can't pay enough to sing what I write (Cuz my voice could turn you off music forever... yep *sigh* that bad).  I've never done it with any sort of group (ok, friends of mine and I got really happy on mead one night and wrote some stuff) just on my own, and never with any intentions of letting anyone read it.  However, the best laid plans, don't you know....  long story short, none of mine's ever been recorded, though those rascally sisters of mine keep poking me to write it, so who knows.. *shrug*

Vik, Authoress of "Green Sleeve" and "One Of Those Knights"

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--=====================_160872657==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 20:02:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08963 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:02:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77Nq4L17715; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Nq5K09887; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:52:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NaLK03252 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020807233614.RSUZ19356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:36:14 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01c23e6b$3223b960$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Cunnington books Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:36:04 -0700 Status: RO Hi all, I've been perusing used books online lately, and wondering about all of the various Cunnington books. I've got _English Women's Clothing in the 19th Century_ and _History of Underclothes_. I'm wondering what you all think of the various other books out by the Cunningtons -- eg _Handbook of Costume in the [insert century_, etc. Does anyone have any recommendations for which of these books are useful and which aren't? Are there any that I just HAVE to have but don't know about it? :) I'm primarily interested in the 19th c. (US & Western Europe), but also in 18th c. Thanks! - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 20:10:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09014 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:10:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7800BL18369; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7800BK13011; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NalK03499 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:36:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0H00E85YX7L8@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020807161917.00cada30@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:21:02 -0700 Status: RO > >>I think we often overestimate how westernised other cultures are, and fail > >>to realise they are taking bits from the west and assimilating them into > >>their own tradition, not the other way round. > > >Their own cultural dress is evolving in spite of any Westernization. They > >can tell me what year, or what decade, one of their garments is, or at > >least what generation still wears them. > >A Sikh colleague of mine and her husband ran a business some years ago >importing modern fashions of Punjabi costume, which you could not then buy >here in Derby, UK - i.e. the traditional tunic and trousers, but in >unusual fabrics and cuts. She wears Western dress at work, but I saw her >in some of their stock at social events. The Silicon Valley is good for modern Punjabi two-piece suits, as there's a market for them, both from blue-eyed folks like us and from temporary workers from India. Aparently Vancouver, BC, is also good. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 20:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09018 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:10:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7800HL18384; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7800HK13077; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NamK03505 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:36:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0H00E85YX7L8@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:36:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020807162142.00e11820@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:25:02 -0700 Status: RO >I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) >what people like best in making costumes. >What I like best is making accessories. >What I dislike the most is having to mend/alter/fix big things. > >What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? I like the research/design stage beforehand, and the handwork/finishing/decorating stage afterwards, but the worst part is the pattern-making stage in between. Actually cutting and sewing aren't so bad. Making accessories is what I do to procrastinate. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 20:10:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09022 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:10:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7800JL18406; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:00:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7800KK13104; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:00:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NamK03514 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:36:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0H00E85YX7L8@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:36:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressing up? (WAS: How I got involved) In-reply-to: <3D625701FBA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020807162700.00cade90@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200208041953.g74JrBF06876@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:36:41 -0700 Status: RO > > My mother knew I liked dressing up in costumes when I was little > > (what Americans call dressing up, not what dressing up means in the > > UK) > >Kayta, what do you mean by that - what I've always known, here in >Southern England, as "dressing-up" seems to be the same as >what you mean by it. I have a book called 'Dressing Up' (ISBN 0-671-25091-4) which is all about the history of transvestitism and drag. When I was little I too had a dress-up box, full of stuff to wear, and that, of course, is what I meant. I use the phrase 'getting dressed up' to mean putting on the best dress, etc. >My favourite outfit >was this voluminous white muslyin-like dress - probably an early >1970's knee or calf-length maternity dress on an adult) that >seemed to go on forever and I would always find a reason to play a >character that wore that one..... How's that for a telling Early >sign.... )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 20:53:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09149 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:53:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g780h4L20538; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g780h2K26758; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g780RrK22257 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:27:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id RAA29518 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:48:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200208080048.RAA29518@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hijab (was forehead cloths) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote: > Katie Lewis wrote > > >I stink at describing things like this, but basically the scarf is > >first draped over the head coming down onto the forehead, with the > >scarf shorter on one side of the head. Then the longer side is pulled > >across the chest and over the head (on about the middle of the head) > >and then tucked in on the side that was initally left longer. > >When a triangular scarf is worn it is often folded on either side of > >the forehead, which can also give the appearance of a seperate cap. > > I have seen both these styles, but I read some websites which said women > do often wear a separate cap, partly to keep the hair in order, > underneath. The ones I have identified as being this often have a little > decorative edging on the part tight on the forehead, which doesn't > appear on the layer further back. In fact, I own a couple of those types of head coverings. The name I've been told is an "al-amira" hijab. Often the overscarf is _also_ made of stretchy fabric and is shaped sort of like a hood. I've got a couple with fancy lace around the edges to match the skullcaps. They're related to the much longer prayer outfit coverings called khirmar. The first few hijab on this page are amira-type headcoverings: http://www.almuhajabat.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=Almuhajabat&Category_Code=h Similarly, the big shapeless (usually black) robes are chaador, but most women in Saudi Arabia and Turkey wear jilbab (a loose overjacket) instead. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 21:01:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09212 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:01:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g780pPL20973; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:51:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g780pOK29416; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:51:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g780aJK24851 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:36:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id RAA00325 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:56:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200208080056.RAA00325@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I'm a musician, not a filker. Though I've written some parodies, that's _also_ a firm part of irish and english musical traditions. One of the other musicians I know who occasionally works fan conventions pointed out that parody can stand on its own, but filk (as it's done here) is often an inside joke. I find myself standing in the same tradition with Mark Graham from Seattle, who's written such gems as "Their Brains Were Small and They Died," "Last Words (Can I Have All Your Stuff When You Die)," and "Life is Hard, But Life is Hardest When You're Dumb." He takes from particular musical genres, but you don't have to know anything about fan politics, convention histories, computer geek jokes, or any particular songs to get his (really funny) stuff. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 21:40:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09373 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:40:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g781U3L22893; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g781U1K11040; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g781KwK08222 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:20:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0I00F583QX1K@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 18:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cunnington books In-reply-to: <002f01c23e6b$3223b960$befc8218@hopperflop2> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020807180824.00ca9b20@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 18:14:29 -0700 Status: RO >I've been perusing used books online lately, and wondering about all of the >various Cunnington books. I've got _English Women's Clothing in the 19th >Century_ and _History of Underclothes_. I'm wondering what you all think of >the various other books out by the Cunningtons -- eg _Handbook of Costume in >the [insert century_, etc. Does anyone have any recommendations for which >of these books are useful and which aren't? Are there any that I just HAVE >to have but don't know about it? :) I have the Dover reprint of the 19th century one, and it's pretty good. I got it for the contemporary examples, of which there are many, both of garments and of fashion plates. There seems to be a Cunnington style to the re-drawings. There's one garment in it that I have seen elsewhere, in a Janet Arnold book, and by this I judge that the re-drawings are probably OK, tho I wouldn't trust their proportions to be exact. They seem to be better than Ruth Turner Wilcox re-drawings. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 22:09:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09485 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:09:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g781x5L24427; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g781x3K19517; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g781dwK14280 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:39:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip142.125-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.125.142]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g781dtq12982 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:39:56 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Message-ID: <3D516BEC.28197.5FAC15@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200208072319.g77NJrNw015232@jabberwock.wonderland.com> References: from "Heather Rose Jones" at Aug 07, 2002 10:38:06 AM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:50:20 -0700 Status: RO From: Heather Meadows > so,um, what is filking? It is taking a song (usually a well known tune) and putting other words to it, usually in a fannish sense. However, it is an old tradition. For example, the Christmas Carol "What Child is This" is a "filk" on "Greensleeves." They were also called "contrafract." Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 22:30:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09633 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:30:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g782L2L25560; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g782L1K26009; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g782D2K23612 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.184]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g782Bt006664 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:11:56 +1000 Message-ID: <04d601c23e80$d66870a0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: from "Heather Rose Jones" at Aug 07, 2002 10:38:06 AM <3D516BEC.28197.5FAC15@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:10:55 +1000 Status: RO Kat, Do you know the history behind the word "contafract"? It would lend more historicity to the silly songs we sing as Routiers (following the popular 17th century traditions, but not exclusively to 17th century tunes) Glenda. No - I've never made up silly songs about anything... and I've never taught my children to either ;-) ----- Original Message ----- > However, it is an old tradition. For example, the Christmas Carol > "What Child is This" is a "filk" on "Greensleeves." They were also > called "contrafract." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 22:59:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09790 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:59:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g782o5L27476; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g782o3K05135; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g782PvK27413 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:25:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.44] (as3-4-58.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.44]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g782PtK08743 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D516BEC.28197.5FAC15@localhost> References: from "Heather Rose Jones" at Aug 07, 2002 10:38:06 AM <3D516BEC.28197.5FAC15@localhost> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:26:07 -0700 Status: RO At 6:50 PM -0700 8/7/02, kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: >From: Heather Meadows >> so,um, what is filking? > >It is taking a song (usually a well known tune) and putting other >words to it, usually in a fannish sense. > >However, it is an old tradition. For example, the Christmas Carol >"What Child is This" is a "filk" on "Greensleeves." They were also >called "contrafract." It's a bit more complicated than that -- _one_ meaning of "filk" is " a song parody", another is "songs created and/or performed in the context of science-fiction fandom". As I noted before, while most people (especially those not directly involved in filk music) tend to think only in terms of song parodies, there is a _lot_ of original music being produced by the same community under the same name. The stuff I perform at sf conventions is, for the most part, the same as what I'd perform at folk clubs (if I did that more often than once a decade or so) without any need for special explanations. In contrast, a certain amount of filk music _is_ extremely self-referential -- not only in being parodies, but in focusing on decades-old running gags and on in-jokes that form a sort of informal community initiation. (When you get all the jokes, you know you're a part of the community.) But the overlap between sf fandom and many historical hobbyist communities means that the term as used for a in-joke parody has spread quite a bit. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 23:16:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09883 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:16:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78376L28225; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:07:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78375K09939; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g782rMK06063 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:53:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p623-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.194.115] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17cdQM-00049P-00; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:53:18 +1200 Message-ID: <001101c23e86$c3944890$73c2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <00c701c22e24$d53de960$b66d4ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Moulin Rouge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:53:22 +1200 Status: RO I mentioned some time ago a facinating book about consumption/TB I finally found it: Fevered Lives: Tuberculosis in American Culture Since 1870 http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/OTTFEV.html http://www.hup.harvard.edu/reviews/OTTFEV_R.html And I'll paste a little as I mentioned that consumption was seen as a bit of a romantic disease: "Ott traces the shift from the pre-industrial world of 1870, in which consumption was conceived of primarily as a middle-class malaise that conferred virtue, heightened spirituality, and gentility on the sufferer, to the post-industrial world of today,..." While pre industrial may be a bit of a misnomer.. anyway, thought it might be of interest especially to those groups that reenact the 19thC:) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 01:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10295 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:08:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g784w4L03731; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:58:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g784w3K13035; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:58:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g784nWK10995 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:49:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a229.in-tch.com [66.62.107.29]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g784ZN902010 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D51F9BC.FBF2CD3F@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) References: <3D63CBE6FDA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 22:55:24 -0600 Status: RO Hi. I'm Sue, known as Maire in the SCA, and I'm a filker, too.... My favorite songs are "Welsh History 101 (101B?)," "Sweet Home Artemisia" (a great SCA-regional filk on "Sweet Home Alabama"), "Overflowing Catbox Blues," and any song by Tom Lehrer (I think that's the name....wrote the song about Poisoning Pigeons in the Park?) I'm starting to forget most of these, because it's been years since I've actually filked (the folks responsible for keeping it going have moved out of the area), but I enjoy the original music and the parodies, both.... --Sue, who's really, really going to have to haul out the Norse version of "Green Eggs and Ham" for a bardic circle one of these nights, or maybe the SCA-Laurels version of "Alice's Restaurant." Teddy wrote: > > How many filkers on h-costume? > > Don't be shy now. Raise your hand and admit it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 01:16:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10314 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:16:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7856RL04111; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:06:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7856QK15010; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:06:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g784qvK11765 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip113.100-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.100.113]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g784qrq04956 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:52:54 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Message-ID: <3D519927.28591.1105ED3@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <04d601c23e80$d66870a0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:03:19 -0700 Status: RO > Do you know the history behind the word "contafract"? It would lend > more historicity to the silly songs we sing as Routiers (following the > popular 17th century traditions, but not exclusively to 17th century > tunes) > > Glenda. > No - I've never made up silly songs about anything... and I've never > taught my children to either ;-) Contrafract/contrafractum/contrafacta is a term from medieval times. _Companion to Medieval & Renaissance Music" edited by Tess Knighton and David Fallows (ISBN0-520-21081-6) mentions it in conjunction with monophonic music of the Troubadour period. (Page 104) The definition they give in the glossary (page 385) is: term used to describe the substitution of one test for another in a piece of music that otheriwise remains essentially the same. In medieval song it usually refers to the addition of new words to an existing melody, while in the sixteenth century it is used mainly to indicate the substitution of a sacred for a secular text. In _A History of Western Music_ by Donald Jay Grout, ISBN 0-393- 09416-2, he discusses it in relationship to parody (page 196.) I hope this is helpful. (There are other books, but it's bedtime and I really don't want to go through any more of them.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 01:20:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10331 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:20:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g785B1L04273; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g785B1K16144; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78503K13509 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-64.152.166.88.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([64.152.166.88] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17cfP0-0003iu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 22:00:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3D51FAE4.7070103@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020807132602.32713.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> <3D51294C.2E3D270C@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 01:00:20 -0400 Status: RO Um, Sue? Wool? In England? I don't think that should be a problem... Except, of course, to limit it to one suitcase full! Anne Sue Clemenger wrote: >*Laughing myself* At the moment, all my extra fundage (and my own credit >cards!) is going towards the trip I'm making to your part of the world >at the end of the month.....I'm taking one completely empty suitcase, >and very much expect to come back with it full! Probably mostly with >books for myself (my major habit besides fabric and embroidery flosses). >If I spend money on anything costume-related in the relative future >(other than the above), it'd be on some nice wools. If I could ever >find any. >Oh, well, time to get ready and go to work....Have a nice day, >everybody! >--Sue, part-time computer geek, full-time blackworker, and wannabe world >traveler ;-) > >N Kipar wrote: > >> --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Holy sh!t, Nicole! Can I >>pretty-please have your clothing budget? >> >>>--Sue, making do with much cheaper stuff ;-( >>> >>*LOL* sure, if you pay off my credit card for me? >> >>Nicole - with ONE big and expensive passion: costumes >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 01:41:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10378 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:41:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g785W3L05012; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g785W2K21420; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g785HxK17935 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:17:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a229.in-tch.com [66.62.107.29]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7853o909306 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:03:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D520067.CE3D76E5@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020807132602.32713.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> <3D51294C.2E3D270C@in-tch.com> <3D51FAE4.7070103@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 23:23:51 -0600 Status: RO Seriously? Where? We'll be in (lemme think....) London, Ipswich, York, Shrewsbury, and Bath--mostly in London and Bath. Are there specific stores or something that one can get to? We'll have a "native guide" in Bath (staying with a friend of my travelling companion)..... --Sue, who quite believes in mailing things if she has to A F Murphy wrote: > > Um, Sue? Wool? In England? I don't think that should be a problem... > Except, of course, to limit it to one suitcase full! > > Anne > > Sue Clemenger wrote: > > >*Laughing myself* At the moment, all my extra fundage (and my own credit > >cards!) is going towards the trip I'm making to your part of the world > >at the end of the month.....I'm taking one completely empty suitcase, > >and very much expect to come back with it full! Probably mostly with > >books for myself (my major habit besides fabric and embroidery flosses). > >If I spend money on anything costume-related in the relative future > >(other than the above), it'd be on some nice wools. If I could ever > >find any. > >Oh, well, time to get ready and go to work....Have a nice day, > >everybody! > >--Sue, part-time computer geek, full-time blackworker, and wannabe world > >traveler ;-) > > > >N Kipar wrote: > > > >> --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Holy sh!t, Nicole! Can I > >>pretty-please have your clothing budget? > >> > >>>--Sue, making do with much cheaper stuff ;-( > >>> > >>*LOL* sure, if you pay off my credit card for me? > >> > >>Nicole - with ONE big and expensive passion: costumes > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 01:50:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10398 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:50:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g785eDL05384; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g785eDK23655; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g785DqK16882 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:13:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a229.in-tch.com [66.62.107.29]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g784xi908183 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:59:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D51FF71.4EB73036@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> <004401c23e40$399cc680$c9ba1840@bently> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 23:19:45 -0600 Status: RO Problem is, poachers would probably love to be able to use something like that as an excuse....and the potential buyers/importers wouldn't have any reasonable way of verifying that it was -uh- "gleaned." It may also be a product specific to certain types of whales, although I don't know that for sure, being a computer geek and liberal arts graduate, and not a marine biologist! --Sue Pam wrote: > > What about bone from one of the many dead, beached whales? That wouldn't > harm the whale population in any way, and the whale certainly wouldn't be > needing it anymore.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 02:11:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16606 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:11:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78621L06217; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 00:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78620K28812; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 00:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g785siK26978 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p885-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.195.123] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17cgFr-0001kE-00; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:54:40 +1200 Message-ID: <001701c23ea0$1852e350$7bc3adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> <004401c23e40$399cc680$c9ba1840@bently> <3D51FF71.4EB73036@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:54:39 +1200 Status: RO > Problem is, poachers would probably love to be able to use something > like that as an excuse....and the potential buyers/importers wouldn't > have any reasonable way of verifying that it was -uh- "gleaned." It may > also be a product specific to certain types of whales, although I don't > know that for sure, being a computer geek and liberal arts graduate, and > not a marine biologist! You are right, and most whales that beach tend to be toothed. I've not seen any stranding that was of a baleen whale- though I don't doubt it happens.. it's just that population wise and their habitats don't bring many close to shore:). Not to mention their size. Grey whales possibly would... http://www.seaworld.org/AnimalBytes/whalesab.html http://nmml.afsc.noaa.gov/education/cetaceans/baleen1.htm Should mention here it's not actually bone but the baleen used in corsetry. michaela > > What about bone from one of the many dead, beached whales? That wouldn't > > harm the whale population in any way, and the whale certainly wouldn't be > > needing it anymore.... > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 03:59:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23271 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:59:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g787m2L09550; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g787m1K23139; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g787Y6K20127 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:34:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808073406.81852.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:34:06 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hijab (was forehead cloths) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208080048.RAA29518@gw.retro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:34:06 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > http://www.almuhajabat.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/amirachild.jpg Oh my, that looks just like many of the headcoverings in the Dutcj paintings, at least those that show the bit across the forehead. (not the sewn toegther-under the chin thingy of course) Now they say it is 2 piece, an underscarf with matching lace border and lace bordered pullover hijab. I might have to buy one to figure outhow it's done *L* Nicole - certainly not going to wear it! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03494 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:23:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789D3L12587; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789D1K15541; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g788u4K08397 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808085604.67729.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:56:04 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020807162142.00e11820@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:56:04 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I like the research/design stage beforehand, and the > handwork/finishing/decorating stage afterwards, but the worst part is the > pattern-making stage in between. Pattern making? what's that, I am USELESS at it, and that's a real pain. I just can't think 3 dimensional and it is terrible, i don't get it right ever. I have to employ a pattern maker or ask ben to try and do it. *sigh* Actually cutting and sewing aren't so > bad. I don't mind the cutting too much though I have to do it at work, no space at home. I just don't like the sewing. I wish though I had space at home. Nicole, who finally kinda finished the red coat! now the next thing is to add even more silver lace, two rows round the armholesand to stitch down the lace bits round the buttonholes. and then... it shall be done... but not before Kirby! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:24:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03500 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:24:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789DOL12608; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789DNK18644; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:13:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78909K09290 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:00:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808090009.58053.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:00:09 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <004301c23e68$dcc787a0$74d4adcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:00:09 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- michaela wrote: > Oi! Most of the real Kiwi men are down on the farm. There is such a sortage > of women in the rural areas that there was even a documentary about it! > > And a competition type thing for women from the cities to go meet them. Uhm... nah.... they may be yummy, but on a farm???? don't think I would have use for costumes on a farm. Uhm, nah, thanks. *G* > And Maori, Polynesian and Scottish 'skirts' are mostly worn for cultural > events:) Oh I know, I like cultural events, how I like them. hehe. > Yes, there are more than a handful of people in a land of sheep and grass;) > We are even getting infill housing, rows and rows of apartments plunked down > in the middle of nowhere.. in a country where the 1/4 acre section was the > Kiwi Dream.. it's a little disturbing. shock horror, dear! *grins* My next door neighbour shares a wall with me and that's normal! I hear them coughing at night and it never ever gets dark here because of heavy light pollution. yikes! I hate the South East.... > michaela > living in "the big smoke" which is not quite as apt as it might be. > Christchrch has a terrible smog problem in winter with all the fires- in't > on the plains and all the smoke stays over the city. Oh hat sounds just like Galway in Ireland, it was so stinky in winter! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:28:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03518 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:28:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789HUL12764; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:17:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789HTK08415; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78979K11144 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1UXUBDXS0045BR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:07:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1UXT5RGY004NUZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:07:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:02:32 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:02:15 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:02:06 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, In-reply-to: <200208071817.g77IHES09504@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3E9B7756ECA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:02:06 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Besides, most of the Kiwi's are in England or travelling the world > > anyway. I swear that I meet more new-zealanders who are > > "travelling" to see the world or who have relocated to England than > > any other nationality! > > I don't know, I tend to hit the South Africans, You're right - there are a lot of them. I still encounter more kiwi's though > and that is NOT a bad thing! *swoons* How come they look so good, > or are only their export articles such good-lookers? They are > missing skirts though. ;-) Perhaps they have export inspections and only the prime samples are let leave?... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:53:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03580 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:53:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789g4L13531; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789g4K17140; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789F6K27386 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:15:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1V7OS17K0045HL@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:15:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1V7N9584004NUZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:14:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:10:28 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:09:42 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:09:38 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <200208071817.g77IHES09504@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3E9D730344F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:09:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? NOT the hand sewing, that's for sure. Not cutting out the damned garments! I like; Long seams on the sewing machine with loud music playing, Planning and designing what I can do with 'new' lengths of fabric, Fondling the fabric; The look on someone's face when they put on a costume and see how good they look in it. Wearing the finished costume. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:53:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03585 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:53:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789gHL13572; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789gHK17239; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789QiK13515 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:26:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1VJM63WG0043P8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:26:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1VGDZ6HC0043QI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:22:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:17:31 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:16:57 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:16:48 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3E9F624405F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:16:48 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I HATE cutting out. It takes me so long to get a costume started, > because it takes so long to get through that first stage. Doesn't > help that I do it on the floor and it makes my knees sore. I'm with you there Jean, but have solved the sore-knee problem with skateboard kneepads (alternatively, those strap on ones they sell for gardeners who kneel a lot to weed and plant beds) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:53:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03586 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:53:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789gEL13556; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789gEK17211; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789J2K11681 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1VCLZ9680045BR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:18:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1VCLFDDS004NUZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:18:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:14:27 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:13:29 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:13:26 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Saturday tea In-reply-to: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3E9E75C400B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:53:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03592 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:53:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789gBL13545; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789gBK17182; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789H5K05450 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1VA56XRK0045HL@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:17:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1VA4EAG2004AJ1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:16:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:12:27 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:11:40 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:11:38 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <200208071817.g77IHES09504@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3E9DFA0083A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:11:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > (However, it does come in handy, like for the dress I finished and > wore last Saturday: I had over 20 yards of black silk taffeta, all > the linen I needed for the linings and underpinings as well as 2 > yards of black silk organza for making the shrug to go over it. As > Teddy calls it "a posh frock." I just wish I had a website so that > when I get the pictures back I could show them to you. Teddy, since > you are on Pegasus, I'll be able to mail you one!) Yayyyy! How did the reunion go? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:58:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03609 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:58:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789l1L13714; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789l1K18281; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10305.mail.yahoo.com (web10305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.83]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g789W0K14597 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808093159.32001.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.6.126.97] by web10305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:31:59 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208071817.g77IHES09504@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-958294167-1028799119=:31766" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:31:59 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-958294167-1028799119=:31766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My fave is definitely (hand) embroidery. It's what I learned to do first, (my Nana started me off with cross stitch and a tapestry needle when I was about 3 or so). Costuming is work - embroidery is hobby! And having just got the beautiful book on silk shading, crewelwork, blackwork, and goldwork, from the Royal School of Needlework, I can see a very busy winter ahead! Debbie. --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-958294167-1028799119=:31766 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

 My fave is definitely (hand) embroidery.  It's what I learned to do first, (my Nana started me off with cross stitch and a tapestry needle when I was about 3 or so).

Costuming is work - embroidery is hobby!  And having just got the beautiful book on silk shading, crewelwork, blackwork, and goldwork, from the Royal School of Needlework, I can see a very busy winter ahead!

Debbie.



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http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-958294167-1028799119=:31766-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 06:10:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03662 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:10:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789x9L14039; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789x9K20650; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789jHK17890 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1VK0EQKW003ZGF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:44:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1VJNYQ9A004SXD@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:24:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:20:10 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:19:51 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:19:48 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? In-reply-to: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EA028643E0@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:19:48 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I tend to do original music, though, rather than the parody material > that many people understand by the term "filk". I think, Heather, that "filk" has just evolved into a wider (more original music) thing than when it started. The two albums I was involved with were both mostly original stuff. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 07:06:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03890 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:06:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78At9L15647; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:55:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78At1K03370; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78ArAK02891 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:53:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb06la (unverified [10.1.200.110]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:48:45 -0700 thread-index: AcI+yStanhBH8YeESbGWIFI2YUDcgA== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Message-ID: <027301c23ec9$2b5ae140$14c8a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0274_01C23E8E.7EFC0940" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:48:45 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0274_01C23E8E.7EFC0940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I'm with you there Jean, but have solved the sore-knee problem=20 > with skateboard kneepads I initially read this without seeing "kneepads", and had a wonderful image of Teddy whizzing up and down on a skateboard, shears in hand, whipping along a piece of fabric and effortlessly snipping pieces out!! When I cut out the only piece of floor I have large enough is the lounge - I need to push the furniture back, remove the rugs, and vacuum (I have two long-haired dogs) - this tends to be my main stumbling block. I got some really nice linen at Whaley's yesterday - a cotton/linen twill in beige and white, and a blue/white all linen twill. They also had plain linen in various "natural looking colours". These were all in the specials section, at =A33.50 per 60" wide metre!! (+ VAT) of course. It's worth keeping an eye on the specials section. www.whaleys.co.uk Freyalyn=20 _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0274_01C23E8E.7EFC0940 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> I'm with you there Jean, but have solved the sore-knee problem
> with skateboard kneepads

I initially read this without seeing "kneepads", and had a wonderful image of Teddy whizzing up and down on a skateboard, shears in hand, whipping along a piece of fabric and effortlessly snipping pieces out!!

When I cut out the only piece of floor I have large enough is the lounge - I need to push the furniture back, remove the rugs, and vacuum (I have two long-haired dogs) - this tends to be my main stumbling block.

I got some really nice linen at Whaley's yesterday - a cotton/linen twill in beige and white, and a blue/white all linen twill. They also had plain linen in various "natural looking colours". These were all in the specials section, at £3.50 per 60" wide metre!! (+ VAT) of course. It's worth keeping an eye on the specials section. www.whaleys.co.uk

Freyalyn
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------=_NextPart_000_0274_01C23E8E.7EFC0940-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 07:06:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03896 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:06:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78AuPL15679; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:56:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78AuOK03631; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:56:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78ArsK03109 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb03la (unverified [10.1.200.104]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:49:29 -0700 thread-index: AcI+ySuWILuDlu9pSlGjdH0jCxA6Yg== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Message-ID: <009a01c23ec9$458de170$0ec8a8c0@mail2world.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_027F_01C23E8E.7F378BA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:49:29 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_027F_01C23E8E.7F378BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I'm with you there Jean, but have solved the sore-knee problem > with skateboard kneepads I initially read this without seeing "kneepads", and had a wonderful image of Teddy whizzing up and down on a skateboard, shears in hand, whipping along a piece of fabric and effortlessly snipping pieces out!! When I cut out the only piece of floor I have large enough is the lounge - I need to push the furniture back, remove the rugs, and vacuum (I have two long-haired dogs) - this tends to be my main stumbling block. I got some really nice linen at Whaley's yesterday - a cotton/linen twill in beige and white, and a blue/white all linen twill. They also had plain linen in various "natural looking colours". These were all in the specials section, at =A33.50 per 60" wide metre!! = (+ VAT) of course. It's worth keeping an eye on the specials section. www.whaleys.co.uk Freyalyn ------=_NextPart_000_027F_01C23E8E.7F378BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A=
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=0A= I got some really nice linen at Whaley's yesterday - a cotton/linen = twill in beige and white, and a blue/white all linen twill. They also = had plain linen in various "natural looking colours". These were all in = the specials section, at =A33.50 per 60" wide metre!! (+ VAT) of = course. It's worth keeping an eye on the specials section. = www.whaleys.co.uk
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------=_NextPart_000_027F_01C23E8E.7F378BA0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 08:32:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05213 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:32:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78CL2L18676; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78CL0K23424; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78C4TK19366 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1Y04LI2O0046H0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:52:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1WZWWZ1O004SXD@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:06:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:01:33 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:01:31 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:01:23 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T - Filkers on h-costume?? In-reply-to: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EAB44E2049@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:01:23 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > so,um, what is filking? It's the music side of science fiction fandom... but that doesn't really begin to cover it.... The word filk is in itself a "filk" of the word "folk" A lot filksongs are rewritings of well known (popular/ folk etc.) songs and tell the story of a character, book, SF film or show in song - and somewhere along the line "Scinece Fiction Folk session" got misspelled as "Filk session" and the name stuck. Since then Filk has evolved to include all sorts of other elements, like non-sF and fantasy subjects and lots of original songs and music as well as the parody and rewriting of already well known songs. And someone else will no-doubt explain it a lot better than me. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 09:22:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05381 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:22:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78DC1L21113; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78DC0K07441; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78CwEK03493 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1XBJZS1C0045BR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 13:58:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1X8NY3VG004SXD@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:13:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:08:33 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:07:38 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:07:35 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? In-reply-to: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EACE697FF9@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:07:35 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > (Cuz my voice could turn you off=20 music forever... yep *sigh* > that bad I never let that stop me. I stick to comedy numbers (that need to be *performed* more than sung) and "character" songs where the quality of the singing isn't really a requirement (plus background noises and sound effects - the Enquirer's Song with me providing sound effects of poor torture victims in the bckground using voice, a penny and a baby bouncer was quite good fun... And you'd be surprized how much even the worst of voices can improve with practice when given the incentive of *foolishly* agreeing to record a duet with someone who *can* sing when the author of the song catches you by surprize and asks you to do it... No one recognized my voice on that one (A competent tech crew doing the recording and mixing helps too) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 09:23:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05385 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:23:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78DC9L21124; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:12:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78DC8K07502; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:12:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78D3hK05123 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808130342.40767.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:03:42 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] UK H-Costume member photo promise Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:03:42 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Just to warn you that I promise (threaten?) to take piccies of as many H-Costume members I can this weekend at Kirby and cetainly at the tea party prays that it doesn't rain too hard* The weather forecast for Kirby is atrocious... Nicole - who wants to re-enact WWII just for the sturdy clothes and rain gear! I HAD IT! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 09:55:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05615 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:55:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78Dk2L22876; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Dk1K18024; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78DfaK16737 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCuAWDoEdDqPrrwtIJgrts9mTftEAlBizxA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9PQLWDE; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:41:02 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? Message-ID: <20020808.084107.-235459.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-7 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:41:06 -0500 Status: RO I've never filked....never.....not once....I've never written any filk songs, or sung them in public.......there are no published songs with my name attached to them....I deny it completely....It wasn't me, I wasn't there.....it was dark, I couldn't see....the dog ate my homework......No, really!! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 10:13:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05710 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:13:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78E32L24027; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78E31K24039; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78DkNK18171 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m241.in-tch.com [216.166.191.241]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g78DW5929703 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D527787.8340D742@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Costume member photo promise References: <20020808130342.40767.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 07:52:07 -0600 Status: RO Oh, awesome! I'm several thousand miles safe from having *mine* taken, but several thousand miles frustrated at not being able to go....it sounds like so much fun! Even without a chance to meet some of you--gotta swear, we're the most eclectic bunch! --Sue, in unseasonably drippy, cool Montana N Kipar wrote: > > Just to warn you that I promise (threaten?) to take piccies of as many > H-Costume members I can this weekend at Kirby and cetainly at the tea party > prays that it doesn't rain too hard* > The weather forecast for Kirby is atrocious... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 10:25:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05834 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:25:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78EFML24838; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78EFMK28830; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78DneK19256 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:49:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Thu Aug 08 08:49:38 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:49:37 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g78DneK19256 Subject: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:49:29 -0500 Status: RO I'm another who likes the research/design stage, especially the shopping for fabrics :). I procrastinate a lot about cutting out and sewing but really like the handwork/finishing part. Planning and making the accessories is another favorite part but I think part of that is because these the right accessories *make* the outfit. One thing I hate is fitting something on myself. I'll do it on others but hate to do it on myself. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 10:25:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05839 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:25:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78EFeL24922; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78EFeK29025; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78DwFK22242 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m241.in-tch.com [216.166.191.241]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g78Di6903718 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:44:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D527A54.48F8FDB9@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments References: <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:04:04 -0600 Status: RO I gotta admit I don't exactly live in an ethnically diverse place, so I don't see that much of this in clothing. Well, outside of one of our local SCA members (who's *completely* clueless as far as taste in clothing goes) who's managed to combine a piece of local Hmong needlework with a bad recreation a viking apron....*shudders*.... I sure do see similar influences in music, though, and in food. Combinations can be as shuddersome as taco pizza (blech!) or as wonderful as some of the fusion music I listen to--odd combinations of Irish, Scots, or Breton instruments, with diggeridoos, and African or Caribbean drumming.... I like to think of it as being blessed by the riches of the whole world, rather than my own little corner of it. --sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I used to be of the opinion that, since the advent of the universal > Westernization of world clothing, any genuine ethnic garment that is still > being worn is historical. But garments like sarees and Palestinian dresses > are instances of non-Western historical styles which are still evolving - > still being designed, made, and worn. > > Sarees are now available in polyester, with modern designs printed on them > (in Japan). Palestinian dresses are sometimes made with Palestinian > nationalistic designs cross-stitched on them. The cross-stitch designs on > these garments over the years, whether traditional or from Western pattern > books, has evolved in ways even a dilettante Palestinian cross-stitch fan > like myself can notice. > > I notice the same modernization of style in otherwise fossilized garments > like festival and folk dance costumes (European or Asian), American square > dance dresses, and Ren. Faire garments (picture old-time Faire folk, still > wearing 'Hippie-Renaissance' bodices from the 60s, with lots of floral > braid trim). > > Does anyone have opinions on this? > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 10:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06021 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:59:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78En7L27804; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:49:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78En6K13206; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78ENkK02336 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:23:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OuF0ciZkiwpSN+0ddxaSQ6w="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9PS2MCC; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:23:29 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Message-ID: <20020808.072228.-104109.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,11-12,14-17,19-31 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Subject: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:16:34 +0000 Status: RO By the time you hit 17th century music, you may be doing what were popularly called "broadsides," which were an English genre of new words to old tunes (aka stuff you see with "to the tune of...."). Ever seen Samuel Pepys' collection? It's amazing. The practice itself is quite old. It reliably dates back to the Crusade era, when some sacred tunes were swiped by troubadours and their ilk and the sacred texts replaced by secular ones. The practice just kept going and going and going. My Latin is dreadful, but from what I have inferred from my dictionary (perhaps incorrectly) is that the word 'contrafact' means something along the lines of 'making a new shape.' If someone has a true definition, I'ld love to get it. Thank you for the brief OT: I now return you to your regularly programmed costume discussion. ;) Arlys (music Laurel type, An Tir) On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:10:55 +1000 "Glenda Robinson" writes: > Kat, > > Do you know the history behind the word "contafract"? It would lend > more > historicity to the silly songs we sing as Routiers (following the > popular > 17th century traditions, but not exclusively to 17th century tunes) > > Glenda. > No - I've never made up silly songs about anything... and I've never > taught > my children to either ;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 11:16:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06111 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:16:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78F68L29396; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78F67K21428; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78EmgK13025 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL26SPBK8G003W86@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:48:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL26S207KW004K3C@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:46:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:41:30 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:40:30 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:40:21 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <200208081415.g78EFJK28813@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EF5ACD15F9@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:40:21 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > And having just got the beautiful book on silk shading, crewelwork, > blackwork, and goldwork, from the Royal School of Needlework, I can > see a very busy winter ahead! Are you doing their goldwork course this autumn? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 11:24:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06161 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:24:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78FF7L00398; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78FF6K26211; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:15:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78F1CK18864 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL26Z2GBE8003W86@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 16:00:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL26VWSHYE004EXS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:49:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:44:38 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:44:08 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:44:04 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <200208081415.g78EFJK28813@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EF6A4D038D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g78F1CK18864 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:44:04 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I initially read this without seeing "kneepads", and had a wonderful > image of Teddy whizzing up and down on a skateboard, shears in hand, > whipping along a piece of fabric and effortlessly snipping pieces > out!! Wheeee!.. I wish! > When I cut out the only piece of floor I have large enough is the > lounge - I need to push the furniture back, remove the rugs, and > vacuum (I have two long-haired dogs) - this tends to be my main > stumbling block. We had that problem - then we built a sewing room onto the house. > I got some really nice linen at Whaley's yesterday - a cotton/linen > twill in beige and white, and a blue/white all linen twill. They also > had plain linen in various "natural looking colours". These were all > in the specials section, at £3.50 per 60" wide metre!! (+ VAT) of > course. It's worth keeping an eye on the specials section. > www.whaleys.co.uk Absolutely. I love some fo the fabrics I've had form there Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 11:37:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06212 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:37:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78FS2L01543; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78FS1K03108; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78FBPK24334 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:11:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL27BUWFOG0046H0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 16:10:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL26ZTQM06005124@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:52:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:47:49 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:47:37 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:47:27 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? In-reply-to: <200208081415.g78EFJK28813@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EF7922652D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:47:27 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I've never filked....never.....not once....I've never written any filk > songs, or sung them in public.......there are no published songs with > my name attached to them....I deny it completely....It wasn't me, I > wasn't there.....it was dark, I couldn't see....the dog ate my > homework......No, really!! It won't wash, Karen. You should have pre-shrunk it first.... Besides, you already let slip on one of your visits over here that you have a "murky past in filkdom" Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 11:50:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06263 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:50:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78FeQL02752; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78FeQK09627; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78FJmK28566 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:19:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL23PER2HC004GMY@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 16:19:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL23D08Q8U002WTN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:08:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:03:54 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:03:33 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:03:26 +0000 From: Teddy In-reply-to: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EDBD1637DA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] (h-cost) What I bought at the Royal Opera costume sale!!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:03:25 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO WARNING: This is an unashamed GLOAT On Sunday the Royal Opera at Covent Garden in london held a sale of their surplus costumes. I went and there were some *wonderful* things on offer, some of which I bought. We arrived at 9am (doors opened at 10) and found the queue stretched from the door, right the way across the building and half way across Covent Garden itself.... by the time the doors opened the end of the queue was no longer visible from where we had joined it. We got in at 11:15am.... so there had been an hour and 15 minutes (and over 400 people) of the sale going on already (they only allowed 400 people in at a time so adfter the first 400 the rest of the queue had to wait and each time a group left, the same number of people were let in) I had expected lean pickings, but we entered a large hall *cramed full* of dress rails, trunks of boots and shoes etc, plus a balcony on 3 sides of it full of wigs, hats masks and headdresses and a seperate room full of tutus. the first thing I tried on didn't bode well. lovely blue and green renaissance doublet with *huge* puffy orange sleeves.... too tight to fasten (besides which it - as did many others I saw - had a false front fastening and really fastened down the back), then I Struck Lucky. The second thing I pulled off a rail was an off whte cotton velvet Elizabethan number, doublet, trunk hose with canions and short cape - lined in ivory silk and trimmed in gold braid and lace, with gold filigree buttons down the front and a real front fastening instead of faking it... and it fit me! With that draped over my arm I grabbed at a mass of gold and black brocade with a *delicious* sheen to it and found it was a HenryVIII style surcote with a big real-fur collar and turnback front, massive couble-puff sleeves and a very full cartridge pleated body. Lined in plain black (sturdy cotton, byt the look/feel of it) and exactly my size.... Item number two! An hour and a half more looking 'round and trying things on didn't produce anything else I liked enough to buy (or thought worth it for the limited use I'd get from it - some of the frock-coats obviously made for ballet productions were *splendid* but I'd hardly ever get to wear one). I found a little leather 16th century doublet with metal fastenings for my six year old godson, Jared (and he charmend the staff on duty into reducing it to less than half price - little costume tart that he is), and then a nice little brown doublet and trunk hose (doublet trimmed in bands of slashed leather) that will do for Court garb for him too. Tom found a late 18th century coat and britches, a bicorn hat, a leather "scarlet pimpernel" hat and a brown velvet elizabethan doublet for himself and we joined the queue to pay and leave - unfortunately, that involved standing in line for over two and a half hours (it was after 3pm by the time we l left, Tom had had a bad hypo attack and been dealt with by the *wonderful* operahouse staff and Jared was thankfully on Best Behaviour or none of us could have coped!). Fortunately for me (but not for my bank balance!), while we were standing in line they brought out fresh rails of costume and parked one right beside us - full of renaissance menswear.... So I added a black broacade (with green paned sleeves) doublet and slashed trunks to my pile of costume. I spent far too much, but got some really lovely stuff. It needs a bit of work (the white velvet trunks are fraying where they join the canions on the inner thigh on both legs, there's a gusset of mismatched fabric added into the waist of the black trunks making them too big for me (pretty much exactly my size if I remove it!!) and the sleeve lining on the surcote has popped a few stitches... none of it very big jobs to do. The problem is it's going to caude me more expense as I have *no* suitable shoes for wearing with late Elizabethan and only one pair of "they'll do at a pinch" ones for Tudor. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 12:15:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06439 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:15:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78G66L05176; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:06:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78G63K24132; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:06:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Fr2K16662 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA28687 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:52:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] (h-cost) What I bought at the Royal Opera costume sale!!! In-Reply-To: <3EDBD1637DA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Teddy, I hate you. :) Drea On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Teddy wrote: > WARNING: This is an unashamed GLOAT > > On Sunday the Royal Opera at Covent Garden in london held a > sale of their surplus costumes. I went and there were some > *wonderful* things on offer, some of which I bought. > > We arrived at 9am (doors opened at 10) and found the queue > stretched from the door, right the way across the building and half > way across Covent Garden itself.... by the time the doors opened > the end of the queue was no longer visible from where we had > joined it. > > We got in at 11:15am.... so there had been an hour and 15 minutes > (and over 400 people) of the sale going on already (they only > allowed 400 people in at a time so adfter the first 400 the rest of the > queue had to wait and each time a group left, the same number of > people were let in) > > I had expected lean pickings, but we entered a large hall *cramed > full* of dress rails, trunks of boots and shoes etc, plus a balcony on > 3 sides of it full of wigs, hats masks and headdresses and a > seperate room full of tutus. > > the first thing I tried on didn't bode well. lovely blue and green > renaissance doublet with *huge* puffy orange sleeves.... too tight to > fasten (besides which it - as did many others I saw - had a false > front fastening and really fastened down the back), then I Struck > Lucky. The second thing I pulled off a rail was an off whte cotton > velvet Elizabethan number, doublet, trunk hose with canions and > short cape - lined in ivory silk and trimmed in gold braid and lace, > with gold filigree buttons down the front and a real front fastening > instead of faking it... and it fit me! > > With that draped over my arm I grabbed at a mass of gold and > black brocade with a *delicious* sheen to it and found it was a > HenryVIII style surcote with a big real-fur collar and turnback front, > massive couble-puff sleeves and a very full cartridge pleated body. > Lined in plain black (sturdy cotton, byt the look/feel of it) and exactly > my size.... Item number two! > > An hour and a half more looking 'round and trying things on didn't > produce anything else I liked enough to buy (or thought worth it for > the limited use I'd get from it - some of the frock-coats obviously > made for ballet productions were *splendid* but I'd hardly ever get > to wear one). > > I found a little leather 16th century doublet with metal fastenings for > my six year old godson, Jared (and he charmend the staff on duty > into reducing it to less than half price - little costume tart that he is), > and then a nice little brown doublet and trunk hose (doublet > trimmed in bands of slashed leather) that will do for Court garb for > him too. > > Tom found a late 18th century coat and britches, a bicorn hat, a > leather "scarlet pimpernel" hat and a brown velvet elizabethan > doublet for himself and we joined the queue to pay and leave - > unfortunately, that involved standing in line for over two and a half > hours (it was after 3pm by the time we l left, Tom had had a bad > hypo attack and been dealt with by the *wonderful* operahouse > staff and Jared was thankfully on Best Behaviour or none of us > could have coped!). > > Fortunately for me (but not for my bank balance!), while we were > standing in line they brought out fresh rails of costume and parked > one right beside us - full of renaissance menswear.... So I added a > black broacade (with green paned sleeves) doublet and slashed > trunks to my pile of costume. > > I spent far too much, but got some really lovely stuff. It needs a bit > of work (the white velvet trunks are fraying where they join the > canions on the inner thigh on both legs, there's a gusset of > mismatched fabric added into the waist of the black trunks making > them too big for me (pretty much exactly my size if I remove it!!) > and the sleeve lining on the surcote has popped a few stitches... > none of it very big jobs to do. > > The problem is it's going to caude me more expense as I have *no* > suitable shoes for wearing with late Elizabethan and only one pair > of "they'll do at a pinch" ones for Tudor. > > > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 12:32:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06505 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:32:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78GN4L06699; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78GN3K03804; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78GB0K26783 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 11603 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 16:32:46 -0000 Received: from 66-81-32-164-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.32.164) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 16:32:46 -0000 Message-ID: <3D5295B5.15C03F90@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] (h-cost) What I bought at the Royal Opera costume sale!!! References: <3EDBD1637DA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:00:53 -0700 Status: RO Teddy wrote: > > WARNING: This is an unashamed GLOAT > > On Sunday the Royal Opera at Covent Garden in london held a > sale of their surplus costumes. I went and there were some > *wonderful* things on offer, some of which I bought. > Teddy it all sounds lovely. I hate you, but it all sounds lovely. Stephen PS - Are you planning on coming to Costume-Con 21? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 12:40:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06541 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:40:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78GVFL07541; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:31:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78GVEK08430; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:31:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14501.mail.yahoo.com (web14501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.64]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78GFfK29491 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808161541.83705.qmail@web14501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.14.138] by web14501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:15:41 PDT From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO And filking is nearly as expensive a hobby as costuming....what with books ("wanna buy a songbook little bard?") and cds. And while I haven't indulged lately in purchasing either books or cds, long ago I did succumb to the songbook pusher in order to have my hands on Heather's stuff. After all, "Welsh History 101B" is so much more fun when sung by someone Welsh. *lol* Angharad, who determined that the stack of filkbooks/lyric sheets was nearly 24" tall last month, when I pulled it out to take to an event. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 12:45:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06556 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:45:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78Ga2L08082; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Ga2K11365; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78GOQK04511 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cq5I-0003kG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:24:24 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: "h-costume" Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:24:24 -0400 Status: RO This will be my second attempt at sending this. Appologies if it crops up a second time in another few months... > > I completely agree with you. Personally speaking I couldn't use them either, > > but the Elizabethans > > did. > > Yes... but taht does mean tyhat we have changed and evolved in this respect (if > in others? Not too sure..) and that we don't have to use it. I have no problems > using artificial whalebone, this being the ONLY man-made non period > fibre/material that I don't mind being used, just because we have understood > now hopefully, that slaughtering whales is not a good thing. Couldn't agree more, but there is apparently a market for used whalebone. Not too many weeks ago it was brought to my attention that someone was offering several lengths of the real stuff on ebay, probably salvaged from a 19th century corset (they were curved in such a way that suggested a mid-to-late 19th century corset). So it is possible to get "antique" whalebone, much as it's possible to still find antique ivory (elephant and walrus) on the market. For some people that would be enough of an excuse to use it in a costume and for others it would still be unconscionable. Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 12:58:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06578 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:58:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78GmEL09651; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78GmDK18762; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:48:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78GRRK06290 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:27:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cq8D-0003RI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:27:25 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: "h-costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:27:25 -0400 Status: RO Again, this is the second time I'm sending this out. Sorry... :P > I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) > what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't like making the > costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why I always start so late. > I don't even particularly like sewing. *laughs* Hahahahaha! That's pretty much the same way I feel. Well, actually, I do enjoy sewing. I just have a love-hate relationship with it, because by nature I'm rather short on patience and attention, but I'm also stubborn as all get-out and I hate having unfinished projects lying around, and I tend to be rather obsessive. So I bounce back and forth between being so passionately consumed by the process of costuming to the point of forgetting to eat, shower, answer the call of nature, etc. and then spending a fair amount of time screaming and yelling and cursing like a sailor at a heap of indiferent fabric. And people always are quick to insist that I should do this for a living... Let me just say to anyone out there reading this who makes costumes for a living that I have nothing but admiration for you. :) > What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? Oh, topping my list of things that are like pulling teeth would have to be pleating skirts. I *hate* pleating skirts. I love cartridge pleating because it's a no-brainer, but any kind of pleat that requires me to accuritely calculate the ratio of fabric per pleat per inches in the waist measurement makes me insane! Second on that list would have to be collars... I'm currently working on a doublet bodice that has a slightly different style of open collar than normal and I'm stuck at the point right now where I'm having to get creative with adjusting the side seams to make it open correctly. :P On the list of things that I love to do would have to be corsets. I can whip out a corset in under an hour (not factoring in handsewing the binding which can take me a good 2 hours or so after that) if it's using metal or plastic boning. It takes a bit longer for reeds, but I'm also not handsewing my boning channels. Admittedly, I'm curious to find out if it would be as horrible as I've been imaginging it to handsew an entire corset. I suppose I'll find out soon enough as I won't be able to take my sewing machine with me when I go to University next month... I like making hats, too, but I'm not spectacular at it yet. Research and design are also high up there. Honestly, as much as it drives me crazy, I love the creative process every step of the way. Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:19:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10827 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:19:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78HA3L12008; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HA1K01689; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78H1nK26658 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust129.tnt2.myrtle-beach.sc.da.uu.net ([67.240.11.129] helo=faucet.net) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17cqfU-0007Nw-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:01:48 -0700 Message-ID: <3D52B169.C827B2C8@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] cheaper silk taffeta? [was: perfect elizabethan] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:59:04 -0500 Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > > Okay, when I got my superb Imperial silk taffeta for the > blue dress that Bjarne made me I paid £40 per meter. Ouch. Well.. now I know > taht the exact same fabric is available for about £15 pounds! You just have to > know the right person to buy it and not buy via a retailer (and certainly not > Radhika's in Bristol) Who is this person and how do I find them? Silk taffeta...mmmmmmmmmm....and if you ever figure out that linen source, enquiring minds want to know! ;) Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:20:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10838 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78HAJL12037; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:10:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HAJK01860; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:10:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78H2uK27350 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0J0038KBCVR0@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:02:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <3E9F624405F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020808083857.00c645d0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:39:43 -0700 Status: RO > > I HATE cutting out. It takes me so long to get a costume started, > > because it takes so long to get through that first stage. Doesn't > > help that I do it on the floor and it makes my knees sore. > >I'm with you there Jean, but have solved the sore-knee problem >with skateboard kneepads (alternatively, those strap on ones they >sell for gardeners who kneel a lot to weed and plant beds) Carpet installers use them too, as do painters, and you can get them at places that sell stuff to those folks too. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:24:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10855 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:24:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78HEOL12441; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:14:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HENK04295; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78H2vK27368 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:02:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0J0038KBCVR0@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:02:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments In-reply-to: <3D527A54.48F8FDB9@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020808084143.00c65ca0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:02:56 -0700 Status: RO >I sure do see similar influences in music, though, and in food. >Combinations can be as shuddersome as taco pizza (blech!) or as >wonderful as some of the fusion music I listen to--odd combinations of >Irish, Scots, or Breton instruments, with diggeridoos, and African or >Caribbean drumming.... >I like to think of it as being blessed by the riches of the whole world, >rather than my own little corner of it. That's one of the best things about living in California. You get ethnic diversity in restaurants, music (live), and especially fabric stores. I am currently tracking down either a maker or an importer of the boots the 'Folklorico' (a Mexican folk dance style) dancers wear. The boots are made in Mexico. They look just like lace-up Victorian boots because they are still made from the same older patterns. They are built for dancing and stomping in, out of thicker leather than 100-year-old vintage ones are. They tend to have what I would call 'Cuban' heels, not spool heels. If the rumor I heard is correct, they are made-to-measure, which means I can get them the right size for my very-wide foot. I think I need to go down to the Mexican neighborhood in San Jose to find them, and spend all day poking around in the shops (and eating the good food, etc.). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:24:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10859 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78HERL12463; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HEQK04331; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78H3BK27520 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:03:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18113 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:04:49 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:04:49 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Sarah Lorraine wrote: > Oh, topping my list of things that are like pulling teeth would have to > be pleating skirts. I *hate* pleating skirts. I love cartridge > pleating because it's a no-brainer, but any kind of pleat that requires > me to accuritely calculate the ratio of fabric per pleat per inches in > the waist measurement makes me insane! OK, I keep hearing people talk about measuring and math to do pleats. I have never ever used measurements for pleats. Am I the only person who does it like this: With a fabric marker, chalk, or pins, mark the ends of the pleated section on the waistband (end to end, usually, or one end to the point of overlap if you've got an overlapping bit). Fold in half so your marks meet, and mark the center. Fold each half in half, then mark the centers again. Continue till your marks are as far apart as you want your pleats. Do the same on the edge of skirt fabric that will be going into the waistband, but make the same number of folds and marks as you did on the waistband. Place right sides together and pin the ends exactly on the marks. Then match each mark on the waistband with the corresponding mark on the skirt. Distribute the skirt fabric in each section by aligning the skirt fabric along the waistband till you hit the next pin, pinning to make a fold of the excess, then pulling the excess back over the part you just aligned. There are a handful of different ways you can do this; for instance, make twice as many marks as you intended and alternate the directions (for box pleats). Then sew. This has never failed me, and I've never had to do any math except count my marks -- 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:48:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11001 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:48:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78Hd7L15106; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:39:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Hd6K18643; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:39:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HDWK03774 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g78HDUQw020543 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:13:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208081713.g78HDUQw020543@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cheaper silk taffeta? [was: perfect elizabethan] To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Melanie Schuessler" at Aug 08, 2002 12:59:04 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Just recently, Kendra and I found silk taffeta (very limited color selection, though) for $14 US per yard in the fabric district in LA -- not a bad price at all! (and that was before bargaining. I bet I could have gotten it for $10/yard if we'd made a big show over it and offered to buy 20 yards...) .heather. > > N Kipar wrote: > > > > Okay, when I got my superb Imperial silk taffeta for the > > blue dress that Bjarne made me I paid £40 per meter. Ouch. Well.. now I know > > taht the exact same fabric is available for about £15 pounds! You just have to > > know the right person to buy it and not buy via a retailer (and certainly not > > Radhika's in Bristol) > > Who is this person and how do I find them? Silk > taffeta...mmmmmmmmmm....and if you ever figure out that linen source, > enquiring minds want to know! > > ;) > Melanie Schuessler > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:49:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11006 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:49:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78HdHL15130; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:39:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HdGK18759; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:39:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HGgK05677 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g78HGef3020583 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:16:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208081716.g78HGef3020583@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020808084143.00c65ca0@mail.frys.com> from "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" at Aug 08, 2002 09:02:56 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO let us know when you find them -- I would love a pair of victorian boots for dancing in! (in san francisco) .heather. > > > >I sure do see similar influences in music, though, and in food. > >Combinations can be as shuddersome as taco pizza (blech!) or as > >wonderful as some of the fusion music I listen to--odd combinations of > >Irish, Scots, or Breton instruments, with diggeridoos, and African or > >Caribbean drumming.... > >I like to think of it as being blessed by the riches of the whole world, > >rather than my own little corner of it. > > That's one of the best things about living in California. You get ethnic > diversity in restaurants, music (live), and especially fabric stores. > > I am currently tracking down either a maker or an importer of the boots the > 'Folklorico' (a Mexican folk dance style) dancers wear. The boots are made > in Mexico. They look just like lace-up Victorian boots because they are > still made from the same older patterns. They are built for dancing and > stomping in, out of thicker leather than 100-year-old vintage ones > are. They tend to have what I would call 'Cuban' heels, not spool > heels. If the rumor I heard is correct, they are made-to-measure, which > means I can get them the right size for my very-wide foot. I think I need > to go down to the Mexican neighborhood in San Jose to find them, and spend > all day poking around in the shops (and eating the good food, etc.). > > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:53:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11035 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:53:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78Hi1L15683; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Hi0K21488; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from niobium.golden.net (niobium.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HRrK12420 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:27:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (AS53-01-61.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.61]) by niobium.golden.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id g78HRoT10269 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003401c23f02$0e6e7680$8507d1d8@d7k7b6> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200208081415.g78EFDK28785@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Re:What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Five Rivers" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:32:58 -0400 Status: RO For me it would have to be the whole process which is enjoyable, which is likely why it takes me so long to do any one garment. I tend to over-do most things, choosing grandiose projects instead of simple, one or two day projects. I love figuring out patterns, and am in the process of working on some male Regency proto-types intended for eventual commercial marketing. I love transfering the garments to cloth along with the embroidery designs I've spent time researching and developing, stretching that on the frame, embroidering, taking it off the frame, cutting it out with that breathless anxiousness that has me wondering if indeed I'd checked all my measurements several times. Love the hand-sewing as well. Then of course comes the biggest perk of all, having the person the garment was made for try it on, or seeing it on a maniken. My biggest problem is transitions. It's the in-between stages that always get to me, put me in a state of inertia. Silly, really, but I have that problem with everything: writing, painting, costuming, housework, bookkeeping, even filling an order. That's why I'm likely such a control-freak, cause if I didn't sit on myself (imagines this rather odd picture) I'd likely end up like a windup toy forever bumping into a corner. Discipline, discipline, discipline. Sigh. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:53:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11039 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:53:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78Hi7L15715; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Hi7K21596; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78HW5K14762 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:32:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808173205.22323.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:32:05 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] cheaper silk taffeta? [was: perfect elizabethan] To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D52B169.C827B2C8@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:32:05 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > Who is this person and how do I find them? Silk > taffeta...mmmmmmmmmm.... You need a seamstress/tailor to actually buy it for you. and if you ever figure out that linen source, > enquiring minds want to know! I'll have a look if they are at Kirby, I hope so because I am at last running out of my linen! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11104 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:06:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78HuJL16936; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:56:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HuHK28703; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78HhkK21338 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:43:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808174345.32192.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:43:45 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:43:45 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > OK, I keep hearing people talk about measuring and math to do pleats. I > have never ever used measurements for pleats. Am I the only person who > does it like this: Same here, because maths=evil, rule of thumb=good > With a fabric marker, chalk, or pins, mark the ends of the pleated section > on the waistband (end to end, usually, or one end to the point of overlap > if you've got an overlapping bit). Fold in half so your marks meet, and > mark the center. Fold each half in half, then mark the centers again. > Continue till your marks are as far apart as you want your pleats. Almost, I do a few less of the folds and use a ruler for the rest (divide the measurements with a calculator :-) > Place right sides together and pin the ends exactly on the marks. Then > match each mark on the waistband with the corresponding mark on the skirt. yep Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:23:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11170 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78ID9L18535; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:13:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78ID8K07857; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20303.mail.yahoo.com (web20303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78HwGK29819 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:58:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808175815.62815.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.43.195.201] by web20303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:58:15 PDT From: Sharon Greany To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1700507703-1028829495=:62746" Subject: [h-cost] Teddy's Royal Oprea Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --0-1700507703-1028829495=:62746 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't hate you !! 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Message-ID: <3D524E3B.10648.3D3D17C@localhost> Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:55:55 -0700 Status: RO > OK, I keep hearing people talk about measuring and math to do pleats. > I have never ever used measurements for pleats. Am I the only person > who does it like this: No, Robin, you are not the only one who does it this way. I used to measure carefully and do the math, but then I found that real life and paper measurements do not always correspond in a one-to-one fashion. I've had much less frustration since doing it your way! Sometimes it is more elementary than that (when doing cartridge pleats for instance.) Then I divide the line to be stitched and the one to be stitched onto into 8 parts (thus limiting the number of 1/2 of a 1/2 of a 1/2s I have to do), then pin it in place (or otherwise mark it. Then I just readjust the pleats so that they are visually even over the area (usually about 2-6" depending on the garment and the person who will be wearing it.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:27:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11215 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:27:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78II1L18954; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78II1K10307; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailsite.netdefender.net ([209.8.8.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78I1EK01541 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from netdefender.com (unverified [63.220.97.2]) by mailsite.netdefender.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:40:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3D52B1F3.1EF91863@netdefender.com> From: Jen Organization: NetDefender, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200208081716.g78HGef3020583@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] silly question re: silk types Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jen@netdefender.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:01:23 -0400 Status: RO What's the difference between doupioni and shantung? I've been looking into fabric for a dress to wear to a wedding this fall, and have been doing some looking on the web in addition to locally. Some web sites seem to use the two terms interchangeably, while others have them as two different animals. Help , please? Thanks! --jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:36:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11296 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:36:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78IQ8L19706; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IQ8K14498; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IHSK10018 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:17:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust101.tnt1.myrtle-beach.sc.da.uu.net ([67.226.239.101] helo=faucet.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17crqg-0006to-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:17:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3D52C326.575DF47B@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] cheaper silk taffeta? [was: perfect elizabethan] References: <20020808173205.22323.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:14:45 -0500 Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > > --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > > > Who is this person and how do I find them? Silk > > taffeta...mmmmmmmmmm.... > > You need a seamstress/tailor to actually buy it for you. Why? Wholesale only? I have connections if you have a phone number or website or email address. Heather Meadows wrote: > > Just recently, Kendra and I found silk taffeta (very limited color selection, though) > for $14 US per yard in the fabric district in LA -- not a bad price at all! > (and that was before bargaining. I bet I could have gotten it for $10/yard if we'd > made a big show over it and offered to buy 20 yards...) What store was it? Do they do mail-order? Thanks, Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:40:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11342 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:40:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78IUNL20143; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IUNK16806; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HnIh13722 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020806174913.VXGP23732.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:49:13 +0000 Message-ID: <008201c23d71$8d08acf0$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20020806092016.01f72450@shawmail> Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset stays MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:49:02 -0700 Status: RO Try Farthingale's: www.farthingales.on.ca/ - Kendra ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. A. Stonnell" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:20 AM Subject: [h-cost] corset stays > Help! > > The only place that we know of in our local area (Vancouver, BC, Canada) > that carries metal corset stays has become very unreliable. Once in a > while you can go in and get some, but that is happening less and less. > > Can the good members of this list recommend a reliable mailorder source? > Is there somewhere in Canada (so we don't have to deal with duty and customs)? > > Thank you > > Peggy Stonnell > > SCA - HL Isobel fitz Gilbert, JdL, GdS, OLC > Mistress of Arts, Barony of Lions Gate > > English Village Society, Village of Stowbrook - Elizabeth Cook > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:40:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11350 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:40:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78IUXL20177; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:30:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IUXK16908; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:30:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76I7ih24857 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:07:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806132417.71393.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.42.208.182] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 06:24:17 PDT From: Megan Irvine Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > I used to be of the opinion that, since the advent of the universal > > Westernization of world clothing, any genuine ethnic garment that > is still > being worn is historical. But garments like sarees and Palestinian > dresses > are instances of non-Western historical styles which are still > evolving - > still being designed, made, and worn. [snip] The "folklore" look is very hot right now in modern fashion--beading, embroidery, trim, etc. and I think that some ethnic clothing is just always going to be around because it is so practical and comfortable and functional. You do get into a tricky spot, however, when trying to separate the "modern" details from the historical basis of the garment. For example, the sari is an historical garment, but a floral polyester one is not appropriate if you are doing Mughal period, &etc. But I like the fact that fashion evolves, sometimes independently of the fashion industry. mirv ===== Megan Irvine http://www.darkthreads.com Personal log: http://darkthreads.blogspot.com "Hatred is never appeased by hatred in this world; it is appeased by love. 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Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:40:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11355 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:40:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78IUTL20159; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IUSK16850; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f224.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.224]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76I3hh22623 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:03:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:03:38 -0700 Received: from 66.136.212.67 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:03:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.136.212.67] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2002 18:03:38.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[96F75480:01C23D73] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:03:38 +0000 Status: RO heh. Now that they've passed the Concealed carry law, the guns here in Texas are neatly stowed away. Mary/Katerine (who tries to drive very softly and carries no Big Stick!) >And the shotguns are, tilted rakishly to the left, cocked and ready to go. >:) > >Apollonia > >----- Original Message ----- >From: AlbertCat@aol.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:50 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states > > >Now why exclude Greensboro and Charlotte? And is the shot gun worn rakishly >tilted to the left, or straight on? Durham and the Research Triangle are >the >most "Progressive". A phenomenon that I'm sure is also true of Europe, is >that when you leave the city limits, the close change REAL fast to rural >incarnations. >I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have the >most fun with their clothes. I've the BEST outfits! > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:53:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11463 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:53:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78IhBL21199; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IhAK23656; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:43:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IVpK17681 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:31:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g78IVnFg021295 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:31:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208081831.g78IVnFg021295@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cheaper silk taffeta? [was: perfect elizabethan] To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Melanie Schuessler" at Aug 08, 2002 02:14:45 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I have no idea what stores we saw them in -- it was the same price every place I asked, and all the stores are really just stalls, so I didn't check any signs. don't think any of them do mail order. .heather. > > Heather Meadows wrote: > > > > Just recently, Kendra and I found silk taffeta (very limited color selection, though) > > for $14 US per yard in the fabric district in LA -- not a bad price at all! > > (and that was before bargaining. I bet I could have gotten it for $10/yard if we'd > > made a big show over it and offered to buy 20 yards...) > > What store was it? Do they do mail-order? > > Thanks, > Melanie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:57:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11488 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:57:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78IlQL21536; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:47:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IlQK25765; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:47:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IXhK18718 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.45.73]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020808183337.HEY8052.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net>; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:33:37 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020808112651.00a3c660@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: 1812Civilian@yahoogroups.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Cc: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Interesting corset on ebay Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:33:22 -0700 Status: RO There's an interesting corset up for auction on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2128835021 It's short, looks like it might end at the waist, but I think it's even shorter than that. It's got shoulder straps, but they're not connected and there doesn't appear to be any way of connecting, unless you pinned them after you got the corset laced up. It looks a lot like a child's corset, but it isn't because there are obvious bust gussets, and the dimensions are adult sized. I'm thinking this could be a Regency corset, or perhaps the 1820's, but I'm not totally convinced. It's quite unusual. The seller doesn't have any provenance, calls it a "half" corset (that IS what it looks like) but wants to date it to from 1840 to 1870. If it's authentic I'd say it has to be earlier, but I'm not convinced it's authentic. Anyone have any other theories? Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:57:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11492 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:57:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78IlXL21568; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:47:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IlWK25835; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:47:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78IYkK19437 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:34:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808183445.47538.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 19:34:45 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] cheaper silk taffeta? [was: perfect elizabethan] To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D52C326.575DF47B@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:34:45 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > N Kipar wrote: > > > > --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > > > > > Who is this person and how do I find them? Silk > > > taffeta...mmmmmmmmmm.... > > > > You need a seamstress/tailor to actually buy it for you. > > Why? Wholesale only? I have connections if you have a phone number or > website or email address. I'm sorry, I would have to ask my own seamstress, she didn't tell me where she gets it, and I didn't ask coz i would have to get it via her. It's from the UK though, so I don't know how much the shipping and stuff would add. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 15:10:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11588 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:10:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78J0ML22792; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78J0La02964; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:00:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Il3K25561 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.1b8.475c5f2 (4158) for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:46:53 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1b8.475c5f2.2a84169c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silly question re: silk types To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1b8.475c5f2.2a84169c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:46:52 EDT Status: RO --part1_1b8.475c5f2.2a84169c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/8/2002 2:19:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jen@netdefender.com writes: > What's the difference between doupioni and shantung? It is my understanding that dupioni has more of a slub and is the "rougher" looking of the two. Shantung has a less frequent and finer slub thread. What IS it with all this dupioni? Why aren't there more silk taffetas around here in the provinces? I mean, if it were here, it would sell. Doncha think? --part1_1b8.475c5f2.2a84169c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/8/2002 2:19:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jen@netdefender.com writes:


What's the difference between doupioni and shantung?  


It is my understanding that dupioni has more of a slub and is the "rougher" looking of the two. Shantung has a less frequent and finer slub thread.


What IS it with all this dupioni? Why aren't there more silk taffetas around here in the provinces? I mean, if it were here, it would sell. Doncha think?
--part1_1b8.475c5f2.2a84169c_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 15:35:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11729 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:35:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78JQ4L25141; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78JQ2a16451; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10002.mail.yahoo.com (web10002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78JBRa08548 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808191126.74115.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.50.56.226] by web10002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:11:26 PDT From: Kay Shelton To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Thanks and Pictures Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I'd like to thank the people who answered my question about flat felled seams, especially Drue who sent me a very informative email. The is the website with pictures of the costume I made: http://users.starpower.net/cragins/costumes/ This is the first costume I've made for a man and I am pleased with the way it turned out and very, very happy that it is finished! I wanted to slash between the trim but my method of treating the slash as if it were a bound buttonhole didn't look good. Has anyone else done slashes? What do you do? Also I really do know that the grommets should be bound eyelets or at least covered in thread. But I wanted all of those holes because it looks much like of the outfits in Arnold. I didn't want to spend the time to cover them and I haven't learned how to make hand-bound eyelets yet. Maybe next time. So I'm relying on the "convention" of grommets. I told Arthur he could have someone else cover them if he ever runs into trouble with a Costume Director. I made a bag for him to carry the extra ribbon to use when he is not using the sleeves and then told him his character was too high class to carry it. I think I confused him. Kay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 15:40:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11769 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:40:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78JUwL25665; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78JUva19012; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78JGja11424 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:16:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19039 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:18:23 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] silly question re: silk types In-Reply-To: <1b8.475c5f2.2a84169c@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:18:23 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > What's the difference between doupioni and shantung? > > It is my understanding that dupioni has more of a slub and is the > "rougher" looking of the two. Shantung has a less frequent and finer > slub thread. That's my understanding too. However, an individual shop or supplier may (wrongly) use either name to refer to any silk that has an obvious weft line/ridges to it. > What IS it with all this dupioni? Why aren't there more silk taffetas > around here in the provinces? I mean, if it were here, it would sell. > Doncha think? Yes, if people were intelligent like us ;-) But I'm watching the dupioni fly off the shelves at the shop I'm working at. I think people today value the slubby look and almost papery (maybe not the right word?) feel of dupioni as being obviously "silk." There's nothing else that looks like that. By contrast, a good synthetic taffeta looks very much the same as a silk taffeta, so when people see real silk taffeta, they often don't see why it should cost so much more than the similar-looking synthetic version. (Touch it and you'll know the difference, and we know the subtle difference in shine, but the looks don't scream "silk" to the modern buyer.) The silks and wools I seek for medieval costuming are definitely not the sorts of fabric modern people think of when you say "silk" or "wool." And when I wear my wool worsted or silk bengaline, people are surprised to find out that it's wool or silk, because that's not what they envisioned it would look like. To them, "wool" often conjures up an impression of fuzzy and thick (like blankets and coats), and "silk" is China silk. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 15:44:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11776 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:44:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78JZ5L25991; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:35:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78JZ4a21107; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.227]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78JIBa12192 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marthakelly (24-168-32-190.nyc.rr.com [24.168.32.190]) by nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with SMTP id g78JGJm3029110 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Interesting corset on ebay Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020808112651.00a3c660@postoffice.att.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:19:18 -0300 Status: RO Could this be part of a costume - possibly a dancer's bodice to be worn over something with filmy sleeves? It's certainly old, but it doesn't look like a corset. Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 15:44:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11780 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:44:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78JZAL26014; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:35:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78JZ9a21194; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.227]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78JIAa12186 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marthakelly (24-168-32-190.nyc.rr.com [24.168.32.190]) by nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with SMTP id g78JGJm1029110 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] silly question re: silk types Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3D52B1F3.1EF91863@netdefender.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:19:18 -0300 Status: RO I have to comment, because a lady and I got into an argument about this in a fabric store in New York this week. After our discussion, I asked every store owner I dealt with. There are technical differences that you can look up in textile dictionaries and on the web, but I'll tell you what I found out "on the street." Many owners said, "Same, same. No difference. All same." A few agreed that there WAS a difference. The shiny, slubby stuff - sometimes in lovely plaids and stripes - that's what they're calling dupioni. The much rougher one that says "jacket" or "pillow" is being called shantung. It's not as shiny. Does that make any sense? Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 16:53:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12201 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:53:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78KhFL03071; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:43:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78KhEa29451; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:43:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78KK3a16540 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p139.directcon.net [209.233.107.139]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g78KJoMx021456; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:19:51 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020808132510.010a42a0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: [h-cost] Arming Bolsters? In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020808084143.00c65ca0@mail.frys.com> References: <3D527A54.48F8FDB9@in-tch.com> <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 13:25:10 -0700 Status: RO Some men, when wearing Elizabethan slops or Venetian breeches, wear what they call an "arming bolster" under them, in order to give the proper spring out from the waist and, I am told to support the weight of the sword belt and its danglies. It's basically a smaller version of the bum roll, about 1" in cross section. They seem to be a practical idea, but I'd like to find out if they were actually worn in period. can anyone point me to a contempory reference? Thanks, Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 17:35:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12386 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:35:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78LQ2L07717; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78LQ1a24954; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host11.avidhosting.com (host11.avidhosting.com [209.239.33.204]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78L9Xa15421 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:09:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marnadav (slip110.access-one.com [198.247.160.110]) by host11.avidhosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g78L9Ve03064 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:09:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c23f1f$93e9bbe0$6ea0f7c6@marnadav> From: "Marna Jean" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23EF5.A8312D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Marna Jean" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:07:12 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23EF5.A8312D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy = dress costume-(I just got a new plate of fancy dress costumes for 1883 = so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessing late 19th century. MJ Doug and Marna Jean Davis Shooting Star Enterprises Living History & Custom Historical Clothing http://www.shootingstarhistory.com/home.html oakley@access-one.com Alternate email- oakley@shootingstarhistory.com Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com - Victorian and Old West Era=20 Online Classes in History and Period Sewing ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23EF5.A8312D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a theory- its part of an = entertainers=20 costume or perhaps fancy dress costume-(I just got a new plate of fancy = dress=20 costumes for 1883 so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessing = late 19th=20 century.
MJ
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23EF5.A8312D60-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 18:01:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12534 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:00:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78LpBL09982; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:51:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Lp4a08584; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:51:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78LZTa00314 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCuAWDoEdDqPrm1908a+aU7Pr/2xOU/7Xmg=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9QKQ5DN; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:35:12 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] (h-cost) What I bought at the Royal Opera costume sale!!! Message-ID: <20020808.163529.-583783.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:35:28 -0500 Status: RO I can't wait to see pics of you wearing them....and maybe a fashion show the next time I visit! They sound yummy......and now I'm all misty about missing Covent Garden which is one of my favorite parts of London. Karen ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:17:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12861 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:17:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78N83L16802; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:08:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78N81a18544; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78MqGa11228 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:52:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from qwerty.optusnet.com.au (c16828.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [211.28.151.194]) by mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g78MqAi17787 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:52:10 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020809083147.021c4250@210.49.20.169> X-Sender: koidgath@210.49.20.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 08:44:41 +1000 Status: RO I'm quite happy with researching, designing, drafting, cutting out, and first stages of sewing. I'm also quite happy hand sewing, embroidering, making various bobbin or needle laces and accessories. I don't have a particularly favorite task cos I have to be in the mood/ appropriate use of time (like taking my hand sewing over to the uni and sitting in the caf sewing and gossiping for the afternoon). I love the challenge of getting something right and close to the period as I can get (that would probably explain why I've started to teach my self to spin and weave (for earlier periods) Fitting the garment ( I have never been taught how to fit things properly) and hemming (as in fixing the length so its correct all the way around not sewing) skirts (particularly ones over hoops skirts) drive me crazy because I can't do it by myself, I share a house with 3 boys aged between 22-25 and I'm the most experienced sewer in that usually turns up to sewing nights. Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:18:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12867 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:17:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78N8KL16830; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78N8Ka18698; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Msta12464 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:54:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cwBB-0007Y8-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 23:54:54 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressing up? (WAS: How I got involved) References: <200208041953.g74JrBF06876@net.indra.com> <3D625701FBA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <4.3.1.2.20020807162700.00cade90@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020807162700.00cade90@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:41:13 +0100 Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote > >And one of my daughters' favourite colour was always black, even from a >very young age, and she still likes functional clothes and plain >dresses (when she has to wear a dress) to the kind of feminine things >other girls like (which drives the other daughter, who went thru a >ruffly-pink-dress phase, crazy). > >Kayta > I never forget the time my mother looked at me and said despairingly "You really do suit black!" She hates anyone wearing all black, but she couldn't deny it looked good. -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:26:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12891 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:26:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78NGUL17402; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:16:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NGTa22380; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:16:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta04ps.bigpond.com (mta04ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78N09a14908 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:00:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.81]) by mta04ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta04ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0JRVZ00.9S2 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:59:59 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.46 ([203.54.114.46]) by psmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 101/37343003); 09 Aug 2002 08:59:54 Message-ID: <3D53E83D.1CC15EB9@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:05:17 -0700 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Sarah Lorraine wrote: > > > Oh, topping my list of things that are like pulling teeth would have to > > be pleating skirts. I *hate* pleating skirts. I love cartridge > > pleating because it's a no-brainer, but any kind of pleat that requires > > me to accuritely calculate the ratio of fabric per pleat per inches in > > the waist measurement makes me insane! > > OK, I keep hearing people talk about measuring and math to do pleats. I > have never ever used measurements for pleats. Am I the only person who > does it like this: > No, I do it this way too, and I'm a mathematician! On the other hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can never seem to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull the skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have a foolproof method for this one? Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12896 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:26:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78NGaL17428; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NGaa22447; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta04ps.bigpond.com (mta04ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78N5Ja17290 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:05:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.81]) by mta04ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta04ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0JS4O00.6ZA for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:05:12 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.46 ([203.54.114.46]) by psmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 101/37348282); 09 Aug 2002 09:05:07 Message-ID: <3D53E982.22B02820@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? References: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:10:42 -0700 Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? > I like the part where it all starts coming together and looking like the thing you wanted it to. I still think there's a kind of magic in taking 2 dimensional stuff and making it into something 3d... I also like doing fiddly bits of handsewing where you are manipulating the fabric as much with your fingers as with the needle. And detailed bits that make the garment look 'neat' - I'm not quite sure how to explain that except it's like when you put on a facing and get a perfectly mitred corner and it makes the front of the jacket look nice and crisp and hang just right - that's a bit of a thrill too. I don't like cutting out because it makes me paranoid, and I have a lot of trouble making myself do finishing off stuff like hems (despite what I said above). I guess I get to a certain point and run out of steam. My brain says - this is close enough to done -and moves onto the next thing. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:42:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12967 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:42:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78NX8L18814; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:33:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NX5a29655; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78NLxa24820 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:21:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808232158.66095.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 00:21:58 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D53E83D.1CC15EB9@bigpond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:21:58 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Claire Clarke wrote: > > No, I do it this way too, and I'm a mathematician! > On the other hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can > never seem to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull > the skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have > a foolproof method for this one? Uhm... you are probably going to scream now being a mathematician but I NEVER cxalculate anything when I cartridge pleat. I just pleat, as big or small as I think looks good and then I just shuffle the pleats prettily and neatly along the waistband. works everytime, truly foolproof and I wouldn't even know how to do the calculation thing (I'm dyscalcic, numbers mean nothing to me). Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:52:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13002 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:52:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78Nh3L19463; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:43:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Nh2a04063; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NRDa27327 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.138]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g78NQA023074 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:26:10 +1000 Message-ID: <004d01c23f33$173ab2c0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <20020808.072228.-104109.1.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:26:56 +1000 Status: RO Thanks Kat and Cynthia! I'd heard the term Broadsides before, but never really associated it with our particular brand of scurrilous songs (I thought it was the act of publishing song words, rather than the writing of alternate verse), and I now know the true history of the term contrafract! Thanks heaps, A more knowledgable Glenda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:56:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13034 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:56:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78NlCL19814; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:47:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NlBa05774; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NUxa28855 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:30:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip123.100-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.100.123]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g78NUtq19732 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) Message-ID: <3D529F27.17928.50FF618@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3D53E83D.1CC15EB9@bigpond.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:41:11 -0700 Status: RO > No, I do it this way too, and I'm a mathematician! > On the other hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can > never seem to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull > the skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have > a foolproof method for this one? While I wouldn't say it was foolproof, I leave the thread "loose" but wound in a figure eight around a pin. That way I can adjust it as needed. After it is sewn on, I then will tie off the thread/strand. I'll call it a strand since sometimes I use one heavy duty thread, sometimes a doubled one and occasionally even a quadrupled one.) Also, I don't have a single strand running around the whole waistband. I do that in quarters or eighths too. The reason for this is that if you pop a strand, you don't get the whole skirt popping out, only that one section, which makes it much easier to repair. (I do the sewing of the pleats the same way for the same reason. Can you tell I've seen too many which have unraveled themselves in the middle of important usage?) The tricky part of this is that you have to have the strands of one section slightly overlapping those of another section so that you don't accidently get an "empty" area with a pleat valley which doesn't have a strand holding it in place. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:56:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13038 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:56:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78NlJL19828; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NlIa05837; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NW0a29221 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21150 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:33:39 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) In-Reply-To: <3D53E83D.1CC15EB9@bigpond.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:33:39 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Claire Clarke wrote: > On the other hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can > never seem to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull > the skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have > a foolproof method for this one? Mark the waistband and the skirt in quarters. Run four gathering threads -- one for each quarter. Pin the quarter-marks together before you pull up the gathers. Do one quarter at a time -- pull up the gathering to match the waistband, tie off the gathering thread, move to the next. If you're not sure how big to make your stitches, do one quarter all the way first. You can re-do if necessary. Then once you've got the right rhythm, use it on the others. But I never had much issue with the size of the pleats -- it always seemed to work. I'm open to better suggestions! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 20:44:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13192 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:44:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g790YGL22536; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g790YEa22719; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78ERRK03831 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:27:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out006 ([192.168.129.131]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020808142721.TREC310.out006.verizon.net@out006> for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:27:21 -0500 From: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020808142721.TREC310.out006.verizon.net@out006> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 9:27:21 -0500 Status: RO > > > What about bone from one of the many dead, beached whales? That wouldn't > harm the whale population in any way, and the whale certainly wouldn't be > needing it anymore.... > > Pam Dotson > Everett, WA USA It is however still in most cases illegal. I say most cases because their are some institutions and peoples who are provided license or exclusions. For instance some Native Americans are allowed to hunt whales, and some places are allowed to own whale parts (Colonial Williamsburg for instance). However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. (I have a collection of 19th century ivory for instance). The strangest extension of this would be eagle feathers. Eagle naturally lose feathers with no harm done to themselves, but they are still illegal to own for most Americans. I suspect a large part of this is to deny a possible defense to poachers. Cheers, Ron _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 20:48:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13222 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:48:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g790cZL22792; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g790cXa24204; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g790P8a19497 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0J00CV4VTTSN@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:25:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting corset on ebay In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020808112651.00a3c660@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020808170743.00e568c0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:18:04 -0700 Status: RO I think it's too straight around the bottom to be an evening bodice from the 1880s, which it kind-of looks like. It might be a European folk costume bodice (I own one that has separable straps and a straight-around waist like this, but usually these open in front). I think it's probably an item of Fancy Dress from someplace, because of the nice material and the gold, apparently sewn on there to show. It might be actually old, but it's hard to tell from e-bay's pictures. It's certainly not a corset, because it doesn't extend below the waist. Even Regency corsets do that. >There's an interesting corset up for auction on ebay: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2128835021 > >It's short, looks like it might end at the waist, but I think it's even >shorter than that. It's got shoulder straps, but they're not connected and >there doesn't appear to be any way of connecting, unless you pinned them >after you got the corset laced up. It looks a lot like a child's corset, >but it isn't because there are obvious bust gussets, and the dimensions >are adult sized. > >I'm thinking this could be a Regency corset, or perhaps the 1820's, but >I'm not totally convinced. It's quite unusual. The seller doesn't have any >provenance, calls it a "half" corset (that IS what it looks like) but >wants to date it to from 1840 to 1870. If it's authentic I'd say it has to >be earlier, but I'm not convinced it's authentic. > >Anyone have any other theories? > >Julie > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 20:48:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13226 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:48:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g790cdL22810; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g790cca24269; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:38:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g790P9a19514 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:25:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0J00CV4VTTSN@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:25:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020808165641.00e54330@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:23:25 -0700 Status: RO When I have a commercial pattern that tells me to gather something into something else (like shirt sleeves into cuffs) I do it the half/quarter/eighth/etc method. But when I'm the one planning the pleats, I use the 'three times' rule, where the stuff to be pleated is three times the length of the thing onto which it will be pleated. Most sizes of pleats I do work with that for a measuring scheme. And if it doesn't come out even, I fudge it at the placket. (I was a Math Major for a couple of semesters.) Cartridge pleating is all fudging once you have the material pleated up and ready to pin and stitch. Just yank on the gathering threads till it's the right size, arrange the pleats evenly along it, then pin them in place. > > Oh, topping my list of things that are like pulling teeth would have to > > be pleating skirts. I *hate* pleating skirts. I love cartridge > > pleating because it's a no-brainer, but any kind of pleat that requires > > me to accuritely calculate the ratio of fabric per pleat per inches in > > the waist measurement makes me insane! > >OK, I keep hearing people talk about measuring and math to do pleats. I >have never ever used measurements for pleats. Am I the only person who >does it like this: > >With a fabric marker, chalk, or pins, mark the ends of the pleated section >on the waistband (end to end, usually, or one end to the point of overlap >if you've got an overlapping bit). Fold in half so your marks meet, and >mark the center. Fold each half in half, then mark the centers again. >Continue till your marks are as far apart as you want your pleats. > >Do the same on the edge of skirt fabric that will be going into the >waistband, but make the same number of folds and marks as you did on the >waistband. > >Place right sides together and pin the ends exactly on the marks. Then >match each mark on the waistband with the corresponding mark on the skirt. > >Distribute the skirt fabric in each section by aligning the skirt fabric >along the waistband till you hit the next pin, pinning to make a fold of >the excess, then pulling the excess back over the part you just aligned. >There are a handful of different ways you can do this; for instance, make >twice as many marks as you intended and alternate the directions (for box >pleats). > >Then sew. > >This has never failed me, and I've never had to do any math except count >my marks -- 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. > >--Robin > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 21:21:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13312 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:21:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g791C3L24629; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g791C2a04975; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7914Sa02789 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21888 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:06:08 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) In-Reply-To: <004d01c23f33$173ab2c0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:06:08 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Glenda Robinson wrote: > I'd heard the term Broadsides before, but never really associated it > with our particular brand of scurrilous songs (I thought it was the > act of publishing song words, rather than the writing of alternate > verse)... As far as I learned, it was a printing method -- on single sheets called broadsides that were sold or distributed as a single page, unlike a book. One of the popular uses for broadside publishing was for song lyrics, which were then called "broadside ballads." I have not heard the term "broadside" applied only to one subset of popular song, but this isn't my specialty, so perhaps it was. (I also have not heard of the term applied to the writing of such songs. I could go look it up if I had the energy.) Other material was printed on broadsides, too -- political tracts, religious material, probably ads for all I know. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 21:55:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13424 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:55:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g791k5L26343; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:46:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g791k4a14639; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from broadviewnet.net (ols.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g791fca13260 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9316 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2002 01:41:36 -0000 Received: from s36.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.86) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 01:41:36 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020808214028.00ac5200@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200208081415.g78EFDK28785@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_92228339==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Filkers on h-cost Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 21:44:23 -0400 Status: RO --=====================_92228339==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:15 AM 8/8/02 -0600, you wrote: >I never let that stop me. I stick to comedy numbers (that need to be >*performed* more than sung) and "character" songs where the >quality of the singing isn't really a requirement (plus background >noises and sound effects - the Enquirer's Song with me providing >sound effects of poor torture victims in the bckground using voice, >a penny and a baby bouncer was quite good fun... Ahhh... I can carry a tune when I sing softly, but they can't mic me well enough to boost my voice. I'll gladly sing off-key with those who don't mind, but not in public... ok, not in public where you know it's me *weg* >And you'd be surprized how much even the worst of voices can >improve with practice when given the incentive of *foolishly* >agreeing to record a duet with someone who *can* sing when the >author of the song catches you by surprize and asks you to do it... Nah... the more I practice, the worse I sound... really! I'll manage a few bars on-key, and then it's back to the fingernails-on-chalkboard. I even had singing lessons and the teacher told me, nicely, that there was nothing she could do. Eh, I survived, and decided to write filk for others to have fun with, lol! Victoria Wickens Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://www.castlecloset.cc Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations/ --=====================_92228339==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 08:15 AM 8/8/02 -0600, you wrote:
I never let that stop me.  I stick to comedy numbers (that need to be
*performed* more than sung) and "character" songs where the
quality of the singing isn't really a requirement (plus background
noises and sound effects - the Enquirer's Song with me providing
sound effects of poor torture victims in the bckground using voice,
a penny and a baby bouncer was quite good fun...<G>

Ahhh... I can carry a tune when I sing softly, but they can't mic me well enough to boost my voice.  I'll gladly sing off-key with those who don't mind, but not in public... ok, not in public where you know it's me *weg*

And you'd be surprized how much even the worst of voices can
improve with practice when given the incentive of *foolishly*
agreeing to record a duet with someone who *can* sing when the
author of the song catches you by surprize and asks you to do it...

Nah... the more I practice, the worse I sound... really!  I'll manage a few bars on-key, and then it's back to the fingernails-on-chalkboard.  I even had singing lessons and the teacher told me, nicely, that there was nothing she could do.  Eh, I survived, and decided to write filk for others to have fun with, lol!

Victoria Wickens
Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://www.castlecloset.cc
Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations/

--=====================_92228339==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 23:16:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13687 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:16:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79371L00533; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79370a07994; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g792oxa03354 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OhoKPDissIOv3nI2iztJ8XA="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9Q5SRR6; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:50:40 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Message-ID: <20020808.195017.-104109.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-7 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:24:52 +0000 Status: RO I like to embroider (split stitch mainly, and blackwork) and make the occaisional accessory. I don't costume and don't want to--I would rather be of financial benefit to my friends who do. :-) I do take a lot of costuming classes though as I am interested in the theory and have very much enjoyed the expertise of others. Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 23:24:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13714 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:24:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g793FJL00979; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793FIa10437; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g792p0a03364 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OhoKPDissIOvKwbZlvlLZa8="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9Q5SRSJ; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:50:40 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Message-ID: <20020808.195018.-104109.7.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-15 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:46:51 +0000 Status: RO A lot of broadsides were in fact political, and often satirical. Music printing, btw, got started around 1490 or so. As more printed music books became available to the ravenous public, the more music became easier to swipe! Thanks Robin! :-) Arlys [good stuff snipped] > Other material was printed on broadsides, too -- political tracts, > religious material, probably ads for all I know. > > --Robin ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 23:25:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13723 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:25:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g793FSL00992; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:15:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793FRa10490; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g792p0a03363 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OhoKPDissIOvKwbZlvlLZa8="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9Q5SRSJ; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:50:40 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Message-ID: <20020808.195018.-104109.7.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-15 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:46:51 +0000 Status: RO A lot of broadsides were in fact political, and often satirical. Music printing, btw, got started around 1490 or so. As more printed music books became available to the ravenous public, the more music became easier to swipe! Thanks Robin! :-) Arlys [good stuff snipped] > Other material was printed on broadsides, too -- political tracts, > religious material, probably ads for all I know. > > --Robin ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 23:41:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13788 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:41:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g793W5L01889; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793W5a15207; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793KCa11955 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:20:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.206.136.13] (account axejudge@accessus.net HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.6) with ESMTP id 100356821 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:20:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3D533507.9080004@accessus.net> From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020318 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset References: <000b01c23f1f$93e9bbe0$6ea0f7c6@marnadav> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070603080507000001030003" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: axejudge@accessus.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:20:39 -0500 Status: RO --------------070603080507000001030003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no ideas about what or when it might be, but the original poster claimed it was way too short to be a corset. I would ask, please, that no one make assumptions about it based on whether it would fit them. I am *extremely* short-waisted, and until I was 28, that item of clothing would have fit me almost perfectly, all the way down to my waist - and I mean completely closed, too. So it might be way too short for most of you, but not me. Karen (who buys all her gloves at estate sales after old women pass on, because they're the only people with gloves small enough to fit me reasonably) Marna Jean wrote: > I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy > dress costume-(I just got a new plate of fancy dress costumes for 1883 > so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessing late 19th century. > > MJ > --------------070603080507000001030003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no ideas about what or when it might be, but the original poster claimed it was way too short to be a corset.  I would ask, please, that no one make assumptions about it based on whether it would fit them.  I am *extremely* short-waisted, and until I was 28, that item of clothing would have fit me almost perfectly, all the way down to my waist - and I mean completely closed, too.  So it might be way too short for most of you, but not me.

Karen (who buys all her gloves at estate sales after old women pass on, because they're the only people with gloves small enough to fit me reasonably)

Marna Jean wrote:

I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy dress costume-(I just got a new plate of fancy dress costumes for 1883 so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessing late 19th century.
MJ

--------------070603080507000001030003-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 23:41:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13792 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:41:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g793WFL01930; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793WEa15281; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:32:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793NSa12748 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:23:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.d4.1b740838 (4584) for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Morses3@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d4.1b740838.2a848f9f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Subject: [h-cost] Need sewing done Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:23:11 EDT Status: RO --part1_d4.1b740838.2a848f9f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, Please accept my apology if this an inappropriate use of the list..... I am actually going to start going to SCA events instead of reading about them and need to find someone who would be interested in making some Norman style garb (appropriate for c.1200-1250)some time in the near future. I can supply wool and linen fabrics, I probably need some guidance about appropriate trims, etc., but I'd rather pay somebody who knows what they're doing and don't have the time right now to learn to do it properly myself. I'd also rather use better materials and just skip the "starter garb" stage if possible and have a finished product I'd be happy to use later as well....Please e-mail me off the list if you like and let me know if you're interested, what your price would be, etc. Thanks, Gervase --part1_d4.1b740838.2a848f9f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings,

Please accept my apology if this an inappropriate use of the list.....

I am actually going to start going to SCA events instead of reading about them and need to find someone who would be interested in making some Norman style garb (appropriate for c.1200-1250)some time in the near future. I can supply wool and linen fabrics, I probably need some guidance about appropriate trims, etc., but I'd rather pay somebody who knows what they're doing  and don't have the time right now to learn to do it properly myself. I'd also rather use better materials and just skip the "starter garb" stage if possible and have a finished product I'd be happy to use later as well....Please e-mail me off the list if you like and let me know if you're interested, what your price would be, etc.

Thanks,

Gervase
--part1_d4.1b740838.2a848f9f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 23:42:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13797 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:42:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g793WCL01911; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793WBa15258; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:32:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793KDa11965 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp234948pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net [68.55.182.133]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H0K008113XELN@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 23:20:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Liz / Cozit To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D5334F3.7000002@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020512 Netscape/7.0b1 References: <200208082056.g78Ku5a06982@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Bodice question... year only matters a bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 23:20:19 -0400 Status: RO Ok.. so the one I'm working on is Tudor... but the same concepts apply in quite a few periods.... I'm working on (I *thought* I was finishing it till I tried it on earlier this week...) a lower-class, Henry VIII period dress... well, the outer layer at least. When I've made an "Irish gown", or more modern jumperish type dresses, the placement of the seam at the side of the gown has helped with the, um... bulge problem at the breast level on the side... yeah, I'm a bit overweight... and have had a couple of kids... so I don't know if there's any way of controling that odd look short of making a boned or corded underbodice or corset that I'm having with this new bodice with the seams (and I did include a line of boning there, anticipating a possible problem) a bit more to the back of the bodice portion. The suggestion was that I maybe add a couple of strips of Rigeline (sp?) to the inside of the bodice (and remember where the problem occured to correct before getting this far next time). But I'm having trouble figuring out how best to place them to best effect. So... it's a front lacing bodice, with that wonderful line that is fashionable from Henry's time up through colonial America's... or it should be. Currently has (not quite steel strength, but close to it (compared to those in a corset I made last year).. a bit thicker... boning running up both sides of the opening, and at the side seams (this is (originally at least) off Margo's Elizabethian pattern... with minor adjustments for period and specific body). Any ideas of how to place some additional stays... preferably just the light, easy to play with, not so noticable under a layer of canvas and layer of medium-weight linen, Rigeline? Center bottom out to top of the side boning? couple up and down somewhere? how many, or any other suggestions would all be welcome. Sticking with something that lightweight and easily sewable would keep me from having to put wierd channels on the inside, and/or taking the bodice off the bottom again ( I really don't want to re-stitch that if I can help it). TIA, -Elisabeth (*trying* to finish by Saturday... and have a good chance...if I don't have to rip apart the bodice again) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:17:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14072 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:17:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7957sL06580; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7957qa12314; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:07:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HG3h22834 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA07998; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:15:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset stays In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020806092016.01f72450@shawmail> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Farthingales (http://www.farthingales.on.ca) sells a wide variety of corset boning. Drea On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, P. A. Stonnell wrote: > Help! > > The only place that we know of in our local area (Vancouver, BC, Canada) > that carries metal corset stays has become very unreliable. Once in a > while you can go in and get some, but that is happening less and less. > > Can the good members of this list recommend a reliable mailorder source? > Is there somewhere in Canada (so we don't have to deal with duty and customs)? > > Thank you > > Peggy Stonnell > > SCA - HL Isobel fitz Gilbert, JdL, GdS, OLC > Mistress of Arts, Barony of Lions Gate > > English Village Society, Village of Stowbrook - Elizabeth Cook > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:18:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14076 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:18:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79587L06598; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79587a12393; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HG5h22883 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA07998; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:15:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset stays In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020806092016.01f72450@shawmail> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Farthingales (http://www.farthingales.on.ca) sells a wide variety of corset boning. Drea On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, P. A. Stonnell wrote: > Help! > > The only place that we know of in our local area (Vancouver, BC, Canada) > that carries metal corset stays has become very unreliable. Once in a > while you can go in and get some, but that is happening less and less. > > Can the good members of this list recommend a reliable mailorder source? > Is there somewhere in Canada (so we don't have to deal with duty and customs)? > > Thank you > > Peggy Stonnell > > SCA - HL Isobel fitz Gilbert, JdL, GdS, OLC > Mistress of Arts, Barony of Lions Gate > > English Village Society, Village of Stowbrook - Elizabeth Cook > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:18:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14080 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:18:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7958XL06677; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7958Wa12579; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf22bis.bellsouth.net (mail122.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.82]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Hd5h07780 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.85]) by imf22bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020806173855.RQLG7447.imf22bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:38:55 -0400 Message-ID: <00a201c23d6f$c2306190$55144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: <153.12034029.2a815ae8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009F_01C23D4E.39DC5680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:36:10 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C23D4E.39DC5680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, that's Salisbury! And we still have trains every hour, going by my = house and sometimes stopping on my road for 20-40 minutes at a stretch = blocking traffic. But I love small towns, and wouldn't leave it. You = just have to work around things. Like my neighbors who were target = shooting shotguns for 3 hours on Sunday.... I can't even comprehend that logistical nightmare....but overtime is = good.... Apollonia ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AlbertCat@aol.com=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states In a message dated 8/6/2002 12:29:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = apollonia@bellsouth.net writes:=20 The town I live in, Salisbury We filmed the miniseries "Having our Say," the story of the Delaney = [sp] Sisters.....and their fight and triumph over prejudice.... we = filmed it ironically, at Stonewall Jackson school. That's near you, no? = Isn't there a railroad museum near you. We did the period departure and = arrival scenes there.=20 What a nightmare that was. The ENTIRE cast worked that day plus a lot = of extras. We filmed the little girls departing in 1895 in the morning. = Changed everybody and filmed the young ladies departing in 1914. Changed = everybody again and filmed the older ladies departing in 1927. Then that = night we did it all again but the arrivals. There had to be continuity = on the girls and family and extras in the trains, But the extras on the = platform had to change every time. A logistical nightmare.WHAT A DAY = THAT WAS!=20 I made tons in overtime and meal penalties though.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C23D4E.39DC5680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, that's = Salisbury! =20 And we still have trains every hour, going by my house and sometimes = stopping on=20 my road for 20-40 minutes at a stretch blocking traffic.  But I = love small=20 towns, and wouldn't leave it.  You just have to work around = things. =20 Like my neighbors who were target shooting shotguns for 3 hours on=20 Sunday....
 
I can't even = comprehend that=20 logistical nightmare....but overtime is good....
 
Apollonia
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 AlbertCat@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 = 1:01=20 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes = in 50=20 states

In a = message dated=20 8/6/2002 12:29:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apollonia@bellsouth.net = writes:=20


The town I live in, Salisbury


We filmed the=20 miniseries "Having our Say," the story of the Delaney [sp] = Sisters.....and=20 their fight and triumph over prejudice.... we filmed it ironically, at = Stonewall Jackson school. That's near you, no? Isn't there a railroad = museum=20 near you. We did the period departure and arrival scenes there. =
What a=20 nightmare that was. The ENTIRE cast worked that day plus a lot of = extras. We=20 filmed the little girls departing in 1895 in the morning. Changed = everybody=20 and filmed the young ladies departing in 1914. Changed everybody again = and=20 filmed the older ladies departing in 1927. Then that night we did it = all again=20 but the arrivals. There had to be continuity on the girls and family = and=20 extras in the trains, But the extras on the platform had to change = every time.=20 A logistical nightmare.WHAT A DAY THAT WAS!

I made tons in = overtime=20 and meal penalties though.
------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C23D4E.39DC5680-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14085 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:19:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7958dL06694; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7958ca12634; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HfPh09152 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:41:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g76HfPTF005220 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:41:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208061741.g76HfPTF005220@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Apollonia Margherita" at Aug 06, 2002 01:18:15 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO hey waittaminnit. the triangle is raleigh, durham, and chapel hill! (I was born in chapel hill, so I gotta defend my turf there) at least these days you can buy fabric online. I remember my horror trying to get costuming supplies at Piece Goods when I was a kid. The wonderfully conservative ladies working there would gasp with horror when I asked for ANY sheet lace in black. Guess I might as well have declared myself a satanist - since i wanted black cloth! .heather. > You see more sophistication in the bigger cities. Charlotte has a lot of > people who moved there for the banking industry. Greensboro has a lot of > people who have moved up in the world, from tank tops to dress shirts. I > think the Triangle (Raliegh, Durham, and Cary) have the best clothes. My > theory is that most of them are from somewhere else, having moved here a few > years ago for the job market. > > And the shotguns are, tilted rakishly to the left, cocked and ready to go. > :) > > Apollonia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AlbertCat@aol.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states > > > Now why exclude Greensboro and Charlotte? And is the shot gun worn rakishly > tilted to the left, or straight on? Durham and the Research Triangle are the > most "Progressive". A phenomenon that I'm sure is also true of Europe, is > that when you leave the city limits, the close change REAL fast to rural > incarnations. > I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have the > most fun with their clothes. I've the BEST outfits! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:19:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14090 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:19:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7958kL06721; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7958ja12699; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77DqJh18592 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807135219.45122.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:52:19 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D511FD6.8D9AEA7E@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:52:19 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Ooooh....good one. My favorite parts are probably the research, > planning and the initial stages (where I'm choosing among fabrics and > buttons and trims in my fabric stash).... I agree, the planning is the best! this is why I love commisiioning my costumes, I get all the fun and excitement choosing it but don't have to actually make them. hehe. > c. stuff. And I kinda enjoy hand-rolled hems on veils and such. rrrreally? I hate it, I am sooo bad at rolling hems! *L* I really think we should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, with robin to do the thinking beforehand, margo to make the patterns, SOMEone to actually make the garment (waits for that one) me making the accessories, you rolling hems and making the embellishments. *G* > My least-favorite sewing would have to be the really boring utilitarian > cr@p like endless hems, or hand-sewing a bodice lining to a curved > armhole. I really like the later, there is something so satisfying about sewing in teh lining. :-) I don't know why. I hate buttons. BUTTONS! BAH! The are right behind the horror of horrors called buttonholes, I even can't stand machining them. It took me a whole day to do the buttonholes on ben's waistcoat. And zippers (yucko!) on modern stuff. I agree! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:19:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14094 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:19:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7958nL06734; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7958la12721; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77Dsfh19413 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807135440.88479.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:54:40 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D5122F4.637A89CF@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:54:40 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > You guys in the UK can actually *get* real whalebone? I think it's a > forbidden import here in the US... No dear, no no, it is forbidden everywhere I have ever lived too. I think somehow it must have been a misunderstanding. Try to import whalebone here and whooops, off you go into Her Majesty's locked up care. *L* or so. if I wanted to do a corset or pair of > bodies with whalebone, I'd have to use the fake stuff (I hear there are > some reasonable plastic substitutes, but I haven't pursued them). yes, wissner in germany. http://www.wissner.de > it's just as much fun. I'm having a hell of a time finding any useful > wools, though.....*sigh*..... It seems a similar problem in most places, I guess we arejust plain lucky here in England and all the re-enactors suppliers and markets help. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:19:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14098 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:19:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7958qL06751; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7958oa12747; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DtTh19684 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0QPS13NK0047GE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:55:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0QPKZ24K003P5Z@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:55:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:50:37 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:50:27 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:50:20 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. In-reply-to: <200208051023.g75ANJF11171@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D684840EF5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:50:19 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Also, in England you are _NOT_ allowed to come in costume to a > re-enactment event, only invited and participating re-enactment > groups and societies. All vistitors must be dressed mundanely. Not all of them, Nicole. Several of the 15th century ones I do, the public can come in dressed however they want... some do in costume. Some events seem to attract more costumed public than others. It's only organizations like stuck up old English Heretics who don't let non-participants in if they're in costume.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:19:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14102 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:19:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79590L06788; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7958ua12815; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40007.mail.yahoo.com (web40007.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77EMhh00339 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:22:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807142238.52648.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:22:38 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807130435.19384.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:22:38 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > > Quote for costumes? Now that's a new one, so you vary the fee according to what > you wear? Interesting concept, I guess that's why we always just struggle > around the insurance-payment mark, we only do what looks like fun and some of > the fun things are not paid at all but fun-fun. *L* To be honest I don't know how the fee scale is worked out. I know some events are done more for love and for sponsers who are not so flush with cash. But for people like the big charities, if they want us to do high Elizabethan then the group cannot afford to stump up the cash, so that leaves the sponsor. Unfortunately none have yet decided to go for it. Most of what we do is demonstrations for the public, which involves alot of answering questions. The hardest is the living history for school children where you have a group of 15 or so and you have to talk to them for 20 minutes. The trouble is we have ten groups a day. That kind of event costs alot, but then it really just gets passed onto the schools, plus a bit. > > Every so often I fancy doing early Georgian, just for the embroidery. > > However the need for a wig > > usually puts me off. > > Why? It's not a problem at all to wear a wig. A good wig feels just like a hat > and no worse. It really isn't bad. *S* I'll take your word for it! ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:19:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14107 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:19:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79599L06824; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79595a12913; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77F2Kh18724 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:02:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807150141.96206.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:01:41 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D74E213E84@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:01:41 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > Tom and I have a *huge* tent (12 ft by 22ft) and haven't begun to > furnish it properly yet - so there' lotsd of space and just the two of > us. > > We'll have our little stove too and tea and cofffee (instant) supplies > (though not enough suitable cups, so bring your own) so we could > host it if you like. Uhm, I already went shopping and notified my members. I think you lag a little behind my dear. :-) We have an open shelter which is furnished as a tavern, with tables and benches and stools and chairs, bottles and tankards and mugs and glasses, all authentic for the period. well, ours anyway, hehe. 'come and meet at the sign of the bushel and tankard'. *G* If you rather we meet at yours we can do that too of course. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:19:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14108 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:19:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7959DL06839; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79598a12933; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14502.mail.yahoo.com (web14502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77FALh22797 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:10:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807150743.96188.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.14.127] by web14502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:07:43 PDT From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D63CBE6FDA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I confess...I'm a filker too. costumer, herald, and filker, no wonder my friends *twitch*! But, I do not sing in the filkish key (which is jokingly referred to as "off"), so I'm at least safe from boots and other thrown objects when I stay up late and sing at events. Angharad __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:20:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14119 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:20:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79596L06810; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79592a12887; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77Eq3h13629 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807145203.44835.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:52:03 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D7131A5D18@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:52:03 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > Teddy > (still trying to finish new yellow and green parti-coloured hose and a > red houpellande for Kirby - and to find time to make something with > a red "H" on it so other h-costumers will be able to spot it!) I was thinking about the latter too, but A) Ijust couldn't for he life of me think of any authentic excuse for an H on my bosom and B) there is no one else in as silly a head dress as my fontange! *LOL* Nicole - going to look out for yellow-green-red-medieval with a possible H ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:20:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14123 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:20:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795A1L07019; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7959wa13333; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77GdIh14014 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08992 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:40:51 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020807092518.010a9b90@pop.directcon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:40:51 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Margo Anderson wrote: > ...based on the results of the time my mother planted TWELVE zucchini > plants for a family of five. Makes sense to me. If I plant 12 of something, odds are that one might survive. I wouldn't mind some zucchini. I make some killer zucchini bread. This is my year to kill tomatoes, though. (Last year was my year to kill basil.) Only the sage and thyme survive, as they are desert plants and hard even for me to kill. --Robin, whose efforts are better spent sewing, and it's cooler inside anyway _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:21:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14127 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:21:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7959uL07001; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7959sa13297; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77GPEh05493 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:25:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd5mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr4so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.168]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H0H00GJPEXWI1@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml6so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.150]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H0H00DAQEXWNM@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from supers.vc.shawcable.net (h24-68-23-36.vc.shawcable.net [24.68.23.36]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H0H0065EEXV69@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:25:08 -0600 (MDT) From: "P. A. Stonnell" Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. In-reply-to: <20020807082437.64760.qmail@web40011.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: hlisobel@shawmail To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3.0.5.32.20020807092154.00860530@shawmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:21:54 -0700 Status: RO At 09:24 AM 07/08/02 +0100, Rachel wrote: --- N Kipar wrote: > >> Lovely, that sounds yummy. I like blackwork, such a shame it isn't used in the >> period I do anymore. > >It's one of my favourite types of embroidery, so stylish. The main problem with it is having to >carry the patterns round in your head as trying to copy directly from a book never looks right. > Why not make an exampler to carry in your workbasket? Unlike to-days "samplers", an exampler was just a length of cloth with different patterns worked on it in no particalar order. Some times just enough of a pattern was worked to enable the needleworker to be able to copy it at a latter date. Roll it up and put it in with your threads. Peggy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:21:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14131 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:21:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795AWL07117; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795ASa13608; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78HrkK27342 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:53:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 1814 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 18:15:42 -0000 Received: from 66-81-48-187-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.48.187) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 18:15:42 -0000 Message-ID: <3D52ADD5.99E3E09@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:43:49 -0700 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > Large Snip > This has never failed me, and I've never had to do any math except count > my marks -- 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. > > --Robin > No Robin, that is the way I do pleats as well, and I think that is how they were done in period. You don't find the math way of doing pleats until you get to the 1950's. That lovely "There-is-only-one-way-to-do-everything" period. Forget the lawyers shoot the home Ed teachers. I spend more time retraining people to think for themselves, not just do what they have been taught. Sorry sore point with me. Stephen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14135 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:21:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795A8L07042; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795A7a13405; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77H8GS01011 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.108]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g77H8Av374496 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:08:10 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c23e35$074e5c80$6c2daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:08:19 -0700 Status: RO Can you kind folks define "filking' for those of us on list who are guessing as to it's meaning? I can't stand it anymore, I need to know. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "And thus I clothe my naked villany With odd old ends stoln' forth of holy writ, And seem a saint when most I play the devil" Richard III, I, iii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century > Helen wrote: > > >Are you going to play "Parson's Farewell"? It's mine and my eldest > >daughter's fave Playford tune and it cheered up our awful rainy Sunday last > >KH. Do you ever do "Cuckolds All in a Row"? > > Both tunes are in our repertoire, but I don't think either is in the programmes for this weekend. If you come along we'll have to see what we can do! > > > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:21:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14139 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:21:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795ACL07056; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795A9a13430; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77H8JS01033 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:08:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cUID-0005tM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 13:08:17 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 13:08:17 -0400 Status: RO > > I completely agree with you. Personally speaking I couldn't use them either, > > but the Elizabethans > > did. > > Yes... but taht does mean tyhat we have changed and evolved in this respect (if > in others? Not too sure..) and that we don't have to use it. I have no problems > using artificial whalebone, this being the ONLY man-made non period > fibre/material that I don't mind being used, just because we have understood > now hopefully, that slaughtering whales is not a good thing. Couldn't agree more, but there is apparently a market for used whalebone. Not too many weeks ago it was brought to my attention that someone was offering several lengths of the real stuff on ebay, probably salvaged from a 19th century corset (they were curved in such a way that suggested a mid-to-late 19th century corset). So it is possible to get "antique" whalebone, much as it's possible to still find antique ivory (elephant and walrus) on the market. For some people that would be enough of an excuse to use it in a costume and for others it would still be unconscionable. Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:21:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14144 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:21:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795AFL07069; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795ACa13456; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f93.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.93]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77HD0S03734 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:12:54 -0700 Received: from 66.136.212.100 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:12:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.136.212.100] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2002 17:12:54.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB627360:01C23E35] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:12:54 +0000 Status: RO I like the absolute beginning - where I'm looking at the fabric and imagining everything I could do with it. The next step - the point after the decision on WHAT to do- where I'm figuring out HOW to do it and in what order - that's fun too. The actual construction part is rather boring for me. The fittings -those are fun because I can see it coming together. And the end result - the little thrill of "I made this! I like the way it turned out!" that's really nice. (I REALLY need to get pics of my husband in his Japanese - that's one I'm really happy with - the phrase "tickled pink" comes to mind.) Mary/Katerine >I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) >what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't like making the >costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why I always start so >late. >I don't even particularly like sewing. *laughs* _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:21:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14145 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:21:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795AIL07077; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795AEa13479; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77HROS11928 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:27:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cUah-0001zj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 13:27:23 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 13:27:23 -0400 Status: RO > I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) > what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't like making the > costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why I always start so late. > I don't even particularly like sewing. *laughs* Hahahahaha! That's pretty much the same way I feel. Well, actually, I do enjoy sewing. I just have a love-hate relationship with it, because by nature I'm rather short on patience and attention, but I'm also stubborn as all get-out and I hate having unfinished projects lying around, and I tend to be rather obsessive. So I bounce back and forth between being so passionately consumed by the process of costuming to the point of forgetting to eat, shower, answer the call of nature, etc. and then spending a fair amount of time screaming and yelling and cursing like a sailor at a heap of indiferent fabric. And people always are quick to insist that I should do this for a living... Let me just say to anyone out there reading this who makes costumes for a living that I have nothing but admiration for you. :) > What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? Oh, topping my list of things that are like pulling teeth would have to be pleating skirts. I *hate* pleating skirts. I love cartridge pleating because it's a no-brainer, but any kind of pleat that requires me to accuritely calculate the ratio of fabric per pleat per inches in the waist measurement makes me insane! Second on that list would have to be collars... I'm currently working on a doublet bodice that has a slightly different style of open collar than normal and I'm stuck at the point right now where I'm having to get creative with adjusting the side seams to make it open correctly. :P On the list of things that I love to do would have to be corsets. I can whip out a corset in under an hour (not factoring in handsewing the binding which can take me a good 2 hours or so after that) if it's using metal or plastic boning. It takes a bit longer for reeds, but I'm also not handsewing my boning channels. Admittedly, I'm curious to find out if it would be as horrible as I've been imaginging it to handsew an entire corset. I suppose I'll find out soon enough as I won't be able to take my sewing machine with me when I go to University next month... I like making hats, too, but I'm not spectacular at it yet. Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14158 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:26:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795H2L07580; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795H1a16149; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795Gea16010 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23417 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:18:20 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: <20020807135219.45122.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:18:20 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > I really think we should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, with > robin to do the thinking beforehand, margo to make the patterns, > SOMEone to actually make the garment (waits for that one) me making > the accessories, you rolling hems and making the embellishments. *G* OK, I'm in! But who gets to wear it? ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:34:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14187 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:34:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795P2L07865; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795P0a18148; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795OAa17930 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:24:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23465 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:25:50 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states In-Reply-To: <200208061741.g76HfPTF005220@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:25:50 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: > at least these days you can buy fabric online. I remember my horror > trying to get costuming supplies at Piece Goods when I was a kid. > The wonderfully conservative ladies working there would gasp with > horror when I asked for ANY sheet lace in black. Guess I might as > well have declared myself a satanist - since i wanted black cloth! Especially at Piece Goods. As I recall, that chain had bags printed with crosses and Bible verses on them. (That was in the early 1980s, in Virginia.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:39:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14196 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:39:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795U3L08094; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795U1a19606; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795Tfa19476 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:29:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.f7.1f773ff4 (3964) for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:29:31 -0400 (EDT) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f7.1f773ff4.2a84ad3a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1159 - 13 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:29:30 EDT Status: RO --part1_f7.1f773ff4.2a84ad3a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/2002 12:11:45 AM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > bikkies Please explain what this is? Thanks, Kelly m311@aol.com --part1_f7.1f773ff4.2a84ad3a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/2002 12:11:45 AM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


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--part1_f7.1f773ff4.2a84ad3a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:40:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14211 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:40:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795FsL07533; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795C6a14351; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:12:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7958ia12692 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AF1C120019A; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 00:11:56 -0500 Message-ID: <00dd01c23f62$ca2718e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:08:24 -0400 Status: RO It is almost time to be Cyber Cindy again! I am going to two balls, August 17 & 19. I am needing help with hairstyles and your suggestions would be appreciated. I have red waist length straight hair with bands. Please, please come up with something... Katie (my daughter) is dying to start working on my hair. So I need pictures to show her. Ball Gown #1: 1950s Modes Royal gown. Very full bouffant gown. This gown is being made by a NYC designer and is peach and gold with lots of tulle. Pattern can be seen at http://www.myfashionvault.com/modesroyale.htm . It is the last pattern and is red. Ball Gown #2: >From a 1920 handkerchief hem gown, floor length. The fabric is burgundy silk. This pattern can be seen at http://www.silkpoppy.com/patternframe.htm pattern #Mc-5941. And for those who have been following the making of this dress... I have almost finished. I am down to finishing the seams and hemming. YIPPEE!!! Amazing what you can do with a slipped disk in your neck! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:52:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14241 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:52:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795h1L08556; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795h0a22942; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795gaa22778 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip83.125-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.125.83]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g795gWo01967 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:42:33 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Message-ID: <3D52F640.14541.6643E38@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020807135219.45122.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D511FD6.8D9AEA7E@in-tch.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:52:48 -0700 Status: RO > > c. stuff. And I kinda enjoy hand-rolled hems on veils and such. > > rrrreally? I hate it, I am sooo bad at rolling hems! *L* I really > think we should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, with robin to > do the thinking beforehand, margo to make the patterns, SOMEone to > actually make the garment (waits for that one) me making the > accessories, you rolling hems and making the embellishments. *G* I think that how difficult rolled hems is depends on your method. I fold the fabric down a tiny amount and take stitches such that when I pull the thread after an inch or so the fabric rolls itself. It goes fairly quickly. (Which is why I was able to finish my posh frock with its 200+" of rolled hem in a reasonably short period of time.) > And zippers (yucko!) on modern stuff. Eeeyew! I try to find some way out of them. (My most recent "posh frock" had hook and eyes. My excuse is that the tightness of the bodice would not hold well with a zipper and the light weight of the skirt would be too little for the zipper. So I went with tape for the upper part and individuals for the lower part so that I didn't have the weight even of the H&E tape.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 02:11:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17582 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:11:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79621L09201; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79620a27842; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79614a27568 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.150]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g79613v218920 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:01:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c23f6a$2b409050$962daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <00dd01c23f62$ca2718e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:01:13 -0700 Status: RO Penny, For the twenties style, put your hair in a nice neat but not too tight bun at the nape of your neck. Then get a tiara or other headband type decoration that will sit just along the hairline. You'll be the belle of the ball and perfectly period. If the description isn't ringing bells, I may be able to find a graphic of what I'm describing. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here, while these visions did appear." A Midsummer Night's Dream; V, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! > It is almost time to be Cyber Cindy again! I am going to two balls, August > 17 & 19. I am needing help with hairstyles and your suggestions would be > appreciated. I have red waist length straight hair with bands. Please, > please come up with something... Katie (my daughter) is dying to start > working on my hair. So I need pictures to show her. > > Ball Gown #1: > 1950s Modes Royal gown. Very full bouffant gown. This gown is being made > by a NYC designer and is peach and gold with lots of tulle. Pattern can be > seen at http://www.myfashionvault.com/modesroyale.htm . It is the last > pattern and is red. > > Ball Gown #2: > >From a 1920 handkerchief hem gown, floor length. The fabric is burgundy > silk. This pattern can be seen at http://www.silkpoppy.com/patternframe.htm > pattern #Mc-5941. And for those who have been following the making of this > dress... I have almost finished. I am down to finishing the seams and > hemming. YIPPEE!!! Amazing what you can do with a slipped disk in your > neck! > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 02:15:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA18804 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:15:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79661L09386; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79660a29003; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7965Xa28870 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:05:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.150]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7965Wv100276 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:05:32 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01c23f6a$cbb33d80$962daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <20020807135219.45122.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:05:42 -0700 Status: RO I forgot, zippers bite the worst! In theater zippers need to be replaced a LOT and I HATE them! Tedious, ugly, unrewarding work, their nasty little teeth grinning up at you evilly.. okay, maybe not evil, but they are really yucko. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "What fates impose, that men must needs abide; It boots not to resist both wind and tide." King Henry VI, Part III, IV, iii - W. Shakespeare > And zippers (yucko!) on modern stuff. > > I agree! > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 02:17:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19426 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:17:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79681L09476; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79680a29454; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7967ea29367 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.150]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7967dv393018 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:07:39 -0400 Message-ID: <006601c23f6b$17a64b60$962daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:07:50 -0700 Status: RO > I really think we should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, with > > robin to do the thinking beforehand, margo to make the patterns, > > SOMEone to actually make the garment (waits for that one) me making > > the accessories, you rolling hems and making the embellishments. *G* > > OK, I'm in! But who gets to wear it? ;-) > > --Robin > Why, Penny of course! ( I'm in for the beadwork portion!) angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Do you not know I am a woman?. When I think, I must speak." As You Like It; III, ii - W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 02:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28248 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:36:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g796R1L10024; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g796R0a04414; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g796Pxa04121 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.167]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g796Ow029308 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:24:58 +1000 Message-ID: <02ae01c23f6d$973ae640$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1159 - 13 msgs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:25:41 +1000 Status: RO > > bikkies > > Please explain what this is? > Thanks, > Kelly short for biscuits (aka in the US as cookies). Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 04:15:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24093 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:15:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79861L13826; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79860a29231; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:root@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7985Ua29047 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:05:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7985Tw09354 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:05:29 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. In-Reply-To: <20020808142721.TREC310.out006.verizon.net@out006> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:05:29 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO Ron wrote: >However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the >parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, >unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 04:24:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04685 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:24:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g798F1L14104; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798F0a01443; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:15:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40007.mail.yahoo.com (web40007.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g798Eda01307 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:14:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020809081433.676.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:14:33 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:14:33 +0100 (BST) Status: RO For me the most enjoyable part is the actual stitching. I find hand sewing and embroidery extremely relaxing. Consequently I usually have two or three pieces on the go at anyone time, at the moment its four with a doublet, petticoat, blackwork long cushion and a "modern" needlecase. And then I am planning two new shifts for myself for next year. The part I hate the most is drafting the patterns. It always seems to take forever and you go round and round and round, and until you make it up you are never quite sure if it has worked. Perhaps it's the scientist in me, but I like to get things right from the start, and pattern drafting is not what you would call an exact science. I enjoy the research, not so much for clothing but for the embroidery. Mainly becuase it is an excuse to drool over wonderful embroideries and say one day I'll do that. I guess it is the dream that I like the most. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 04:27:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06792 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:27:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g798I2L14205; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798I1a02209; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798H8a02005 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id BAA26714 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:37:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200208090837.BAA26714@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Ingrid wrote: > Ron wrote: > >However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the > >parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, > >unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. > > Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? > Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be > illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. Baleen whales are protected species here. All of them. Crows and other migratory birds also fall under those same laws (believe me, they're spelled out in tedious length in the actual text). So even though the damn ravens live outside my house and love to sit on the light post and make a racket, I can't collect their feathers. At least not if I'm going to let anyone else see 'em. Even turkey vultures are classed as migratory birds here, even though all they do is move from one end of the state to the other. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 04:42:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06836 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:42:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g798X3L14630; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:33:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798X0a05564; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798Wca05493 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:32:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb04la (unverified [10.1.200.106]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:28:12 -0700 thread-index: AcI/frNdr/PNe74jSUKK7F5mrTCi7Q== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Message-ID: <003201c23f7e$b35d2390$6ac8010a@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C23F44.06FE4B90" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:28:12 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C23F44.06FE4B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And of course, the broadsides that the pedlers sold around the countryside and in villages were mostly just lyrics, not the music. People had a knowledge of many tunes in their heads - they would just use the one most aposite for the lyrics (or the songsheet would suggest a tune). Hence the glorified mish-mash that english folksong became, with different tunes and stories being associated in different ways across the country. Freyalyn _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Cynthia J Ley > Sent: 8/9/2002 3:50:51 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Cc: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) > > A lot of broadsides were in fact political, and often satirical. > > Music printing, btw, got started around 1490 or so. As more printed music > books became available to the ravenous public, the more music became > easier to swipe! > > Thanks Robin! :-) > > > Arlys > [good stuff snipped] > > Other material was printed on broadsides, too -- political tracts, > religious material, probably ads for all I know. > > --Robin > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C23F44.06FE4B90 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And of course, the broadsides that the pedlers sold around the countryside and in villages were mostly just lyrics, not the music. People had a knowledge of many tunes in their heads - they would just use the one most aposite for the lyrics (or the songsheet would suggest a tune). Hence the glorified mish-mash that english folksong became, with different tunes and stories being associated in different ways across the country.

Freyalyn


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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Cynthia J Ley
> Sent: 8/9/2002 3:50:51 AM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Cc: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved)
>
> A lot of broadsides were in fact political, and often satirical.
>
> Music printing, btw, got started around 1490 or so. As more printed music
> books became available to the ravenous public, the more music became
> easier to swipe!
>
> Thanks Robin! :-)
>
>
> Arlys
> [good stuff snipped]
>
> Other material was printed on broadsides, too -- political tracts,
> religious material, probably ads for all I know.
>
> --Robin
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
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------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C23F44.06FE4B90-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 04:46:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06843 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:46:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g798b1L14772; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798b0a06528; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798ada06448 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:36:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arweb02la (unverified [10.1.201.102]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:32:13 -0700 thread-index: AcI/f0LFj8Ku3PORTPK52RW3+jFF8w== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset Message-ID: <000201c23f7f$42cd1c10$0cc9a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C23F44.966FCAB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:32:13 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C23F44.966FCAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This brings up the point that it's very easy to forget how much smaller people can be in the past. Some of the original costumes in the V&A and other collections almost look children sized compared to us modern, well-fed people. _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Karen Heim > Sent: 8/9/2002 6:24:39 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset > > I have no ideas about what or when it might be, but the original poster claimedit was way too short > to be a corset. I would ask, please, that no one makeassumptions about it based on whether it would > fit them. I am *extremely*short-waisted, and until I was 28, that item of clothing would have fit > mealmost perfectly, all the way down to my waist - and I mean completely closed,too. So it might be > way too short for most of you, but not me. > > Karen (who buys all her gloves at estate sales after old women pass on, becausethey're the only > people with gloves small enough to fit me reasonably) > > Marna Jean wrote: > > I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy dress costume-(I just got a > new plate of fancydress costumes for 1883 so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessinglate > 19th century. > > MJ > > ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C23F44.966FCAB0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This brings up the point that it's very easy to forget how much smaller people can be in the past. Some of the original costumes in the V&A and other collections almost look children sized compared to us modern, well-fed people.


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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Karen Heim
> Sent: 8/9/2002 6:24:39 AM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset
>
> I have no ideas about what or when it might be, but the original poster claimedit was way too short
> to be a corset. I would ask, please, that no one makeassumptions about it based on whether it would
> fit them. I am *extremely*short-waisted, and until I was 28, that item of clothing would have fit
> mealmost perfectly, all the way down to my waist - and I mean completely closed,too. So it might be
> way too short for most of you, but not me.
>
> Karen (who buys all her gloves at estate sales after old women pass on, becausethey're the only
> people with gloves small enough to fit me reasonably)
>
> Marna Jean wrote:
>
> I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy dress costume-(I just got a
> new plate of fancydress costumes for 1883 so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessinglate
> 19th century.
>
> MJ
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C23F44.966FCAB0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 05:05:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06898 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:05:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g798u1L15324; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798u1a10813; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798tNa10597 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p102-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.102] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17d5YE-0005n0-00; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 20:55:20 +1200 Message-ID: <001f01c23f82$78471d20$66c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:55:08 +1200 Status: RO > Ron wrote: > >However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the > >parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, > >unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. > > Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? > Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be > illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. I'm sorry I just don't follow your logic. Why do you think it's such a bad thing? There are rules in place to protect animals for extinction for frivolous human reasons- ie we do not need to kill these species to survive. It is all too easy to say something died of natural causes when in fact it hasn't. The testing used to prove it one way or the other is too costly to implement in every case. How many species of whale *aren't* protected? Very few. http://www.cites.org/index.html I'm too tired, and got lost, but I think this site will explain what's actually protected and what's not. And there has been plenty of examples especially in whales of parts of endangered species being sold as non-protected species. One of my lecturers was part of a team that proved that endangered whale meat was being sold as minke. ooh, just found his work actually... http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=cache:Ms3RnlQGSjMC:www.sbs.auckland.ac.nz/p eople/staff/baker_scott/proc_roy_soc_267_2000/abstract.htm+%22baleen+whale%2 2+protected&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 http://www.dhushara.com/book/diversit/extra/whale.htm http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/earth/stories/s587772.htm Personally I'd not like to support that by buying whalebone. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 07:10:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07563 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:10:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79B11L19632; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79B10a09340; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79B0Pa09201 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0K007UZP8OLY@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 04:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset In-reply-to: <3D533507.9080004@accessus.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020809024822.00c61ba0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <000b01c23f1f$93e9bbe0$6ea0f7c6@marnadav> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 03:40:08 -0700 Status: RO >I have no ideas about what or when it might be, but the original poster >claimed it was way too short to be a corset. I would ask, please, that no >one make assumptions about it based on whether it would fit them. I am >*extremely* short-waisted, and until I was 28, that item of clothing would >have fit me almost perfectly, all the way down to my waist - and I mean >completely closed, too. So it might be way too short for most of you, but >not me. I'm the one who said it was to 'short' to be a corset, because it stopped at the waist, not that it was too 'short-waisted' to be a corset. I made no assumptions based on the size (didn't even look at the size), only on the shape and proportions. You say it would have fit you all the way down to your waist, completely closed, but that only proves it is/was your size, not that it is a corset. Corsets don't stop at the waist, but continue a little way beyond it, flaring out over the hips. I seem to recall that corsets of the English Civil War period, a very short-waisted period, do a little flaring at the bottom. (Where is my copy of Corsets and Crinolines when I need it?) The English Regency is the shortest-waisted period ever, but any Regency corset I ever saw a picture of flared out at the bottom. 1950s waist cinchers, maybe 8 inches top to bottom, flare out above and below their waists. Bodices, even boned ones, often stop at the waist, so I called this garment a bodice of some kind. I own a boned European folk-costume bodice, early-mid 20th century, which is much the same shape as this garment. While it's a little too short-waisted for me (too small too), it is a bodice because it stops at the original owner's waist and was originally worn as outer-wear. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 07:10:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07568 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:10:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79B1LL19651; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:01:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79B1Ka09440; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:01:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79B0Qa09207 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0K007UZP8OLY@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 04:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: smaller people (was Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset In-reply-to: <000201c23f7f$42cd1c10$0cc9a8c0@mail2world.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020809034708.00c60680@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 03:55:10 -0700 Status: RO >This brings up the point that it's very easy to forget how much smaller >people can be in the past. Some of the original costumes in the V&A and >other collections almost look children sized compared to us modern, >well-fed people. That's one reason larger modern people don't look like the photos of people 100 years ago. We have to scale up the garments, and sometimes they don't look the same after that. I own an 1898 bodice I got my daughters to pose in so I could see how it looked on a real body. At the time they were like 3 and 7. The sleeves were the right length for the 7-year-old, and the waist was the right size for the 3-year-old. An on-going project of mine is to scale it up so I will have one 'just like it' to wear. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 07:14:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07585 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:14:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79B51L19768; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79B50a10441; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79B48a10215 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CB810F140 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E3CF610F21C for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010801c23f93$45210710$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:55:27 -0400 Status: RO Well, that's the beauty of it, Robin. We make one costume for each of us!! And I'll volunteer to do the actual sewing, so I get to go first. ;-) And who's going to supply the materials? Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > > > I really think we should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, with > > robin to do the thinking beforehand, margo to make the patterns, > > SOMEone to actually make the garment (waits for that one) me making > > the accessories, you rolling hems and making the embellishments. *G* > > OK, I'm in! But who gets to wear it? ;-) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:11:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00732 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:11:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79CH1L22712; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CH1a28906; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CGAa28658 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:16:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a252.in-tch.com [66.62.107.52]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g79C20929603 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D53B3EC.B71B1F5B@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? References: <006601c23f6b$17a64b60$962daf40@angelap3a8d978> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:22:04 -0600 Status: RO Or Teddy, maybe....I have this odd feeling that he could make *anything* look good..... --Sue Cabbage Rose wrote: > > > I really think we should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, with > > > robin to do the thinking beforehand, margo to make the patterns, > > > SOMEone to actually make the garment (waits for that one) me making > > > the accessories, you rolling hems and making the embellishments. *G* > > > > OK, I'm in! But who gets to wear it? ;-) > > > > --Robin > > > > Why, Penny of course! ( I'm in for the beadwork portion!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:13:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00802 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:13:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79CF4L22646; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:15:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CF1a28296; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CELa28118 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a252.in-tch.com [66.62.107.52]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g79C0A929265 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:00:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D53B347.70F8A1DD@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! References: <00dd01c23f62$ca2718e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:19:19 -0600 Status: RO I *could* suggest cutting it, but I think you'd hurt me! So I won't.... Seriously, though....I have no idea about the hairstyles, the 20th c. not being my "historical" period for costume. The two designs look really fun, though (especially the poofy one!), and you ought to look wonderful in both, with your coloring and build! --Sue, in cold, drizzly Montana, where hot tea is a Good Thing (tm) this morning ;-) Penny Ladnier wrote: > > It is almost time to be Cyber Cindy again! I am going to two balls, August > 17 & 19. I am needing help with hairstyles and your suggestions would be > appreciated. I have red waist length straight hair with bands. Please, > please come up with something... Katie (my daughter) is dying to start > working on my hair. So I need pictures to show her. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:15:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01056 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:15:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79CI3L22796; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:18:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CI3a29344; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:18:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CHda29180 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:17:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a252.in-tch.com [66.62.107.52]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g79C3T929855 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D53B445.49715212@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1159 - 13 msgs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:23:33 -0600 Status: RO Biscuits. "Cookies" to us Americans. --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:16:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01182 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:16:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Ca2L23557; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Ca1a04306; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us (bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.6.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CZ3a04030 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bchamber@localhost) by bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g79CYwm20279 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:34:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Chamberlain X-Sender: bchamber@bookworm To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset In-Reply-To: <000201c23f7f$42cd1c10$0cc9a8c0@mail2world.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Chamberlain List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, freyalyn wrote: > This brings up the point that it's very easy to forget how much smaller > people can be in the past. Some of the original costumes in the V&A and > other collections almost look children sized compared to us modern,wee >fed people. Actually, most of the current research I have seen contradicts this old theory/myth. Depending upon the populations and regions you look at people are about 1-3 inches taller than our ancestors from the 17th century or even earlier. The most significant change, in the research I have read, occured as families moved to the US (colonies, etc.). Food was very plentiful and with the better nutrition the first generation grew larger than their parents, after that there was little change. People tend to save special clothes, often from their youth or early marriage. They are put away and the owner outgrows them so they are never "worn out". The specially "preserved" clothes represent neither a cross section of sizes or styles. One of the best explanations of this I know of is on the Plimoth Plantation website. It also gives a wonderful explanation of life expectancy and how it is often misinterpret. http://www.plimoth.org/Library/4-2_40.htm And before some one counters with short beds and short doorways... Doorways were low to keep heat in a room. Fuel was expensive even when it was your own labor chopping your own wood. Upper respiratory diseases were very common, many people slept in an upright or partially upright position to help clear their lungs (go ask any person with lung disease). Beth - short by virtue of genes, despite more than adequate nutrition _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:20:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01457 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:20:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79CS2L23174; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CS1a02035; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CRta02013 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a252.in-tch.com [66.62.107.52]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g79CDi901782 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:13:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D53B6AC.F2D96633@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Fairesin the U.S. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:33:48 -0600 Status: RO Oh my lord, yes, they're enforced, but I'd rather imagine more so with the more endangered species (such as eagles) rather than the less-so (ravens). You can get in fairly serious trouble for having animal parts like eagle feathers if you're not allowed by law to have them (not Native American, etc.). And that's even if you find the critter killed alongside the highway, or find the feather. The animals really do need that much protecting. And whales? Well, uhm, I know that there are a few countries that feel differently about, uhm, killing and harvesting whales--IIRC, Norway is one of them?, but most folks these days have agreed that, overall, it's not such a good thing. Hence the laws and international agreements. Certain native coastal peoples here in the NW United States are allowed to hunt a few, because the experience is so important a part of their heritage and culture, but really, most of us have enough other food sources, or decent substitutes for baleen that we don't need to sacrifice something that rare! --Sue's 2 ecological pence worth.... Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > > Ingrid wrote: > > > Ron wrote: > > > >However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the > > > >parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, > > > >unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. > > > > > > Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? > > > Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be > > > illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. > > > > Baleen whales are protected species here. All of them. > > Ah, ok - not so here in Norway. > > > Crows and other migratory birds also fall under those same laws (believe > > me, they're spelled out in tedious length in the actual text). So even > > though the damn ravens live outside my house and love to sit on the light > > post and make a racket, I can't collect their feathers. At least not if > > I'm going to let anyone else see 'em. > > Really? The mind boggels! :) But I have to wonder, are those laws > acutally enforced? I'm aware of the possible problems with legitimacy for > poachers and such, but doesn't plain old common sense enter into it > anywhere? > > Ingrid > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01460 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:20:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79C71L22318; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79C70a26162; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:root@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79C6Ga25982 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g79C6D210788 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:06:13 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was In-Reply-To: <001f01c23f82$78471d20$66c0adcb@michaela> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:06:13 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, michaela wrote: > > Ron wrote: > > >However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the > > >parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, > > >unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. > > > > Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? > > Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be > > illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. > > I'm sorry I just don't follow your logic. > > Why do you think it's such a bad thing? There are rules in place to protect > animals for extinction for frivolous human reasons- ie we do not need to > kill these species to survive. Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm ALL in favour of the protection of endangered species. And I don't see the point of whaling either, since it's perfectly possible to get by without it. However, I think that maybe our opinions differ a bit because of cultural differences - when I grew up, whale beef was routinely served for dinner in my kindergarten, for example. (I never liked it. ;) ) As I said above I don't advocate whaling, but I do honestly feel that as long as there are quotas for whaling minke that will be filled at any rate, that it is worse to throw the baleen away than to make use of it. Not using the baleen from these whales will not stop the whaling. I would never, ever buy whalebone from an uncertain source (and have never bought or used whalebone at all, just for the record - nor have I heard of new whalebone being sold). But if I find a beached baleen whale or I know for a fact that the baleen in question comes from a minke that has been legally caught, I might consider using the whalebone. Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01463 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:20:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Bn2L21542; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Bn1a21630; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:root@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79BmDa21489 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g79BmBN10646 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:48:11 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. In-Reply-To: <200208090837.BAA26714@gw.retro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:48:11 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > Ingrid wrote: > > Ron wrote: > > >However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the > > >parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, > > >unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. > > > > Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? > > Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be > > illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. > > Baleen whales are protected species here. All of them. Ah, ok - not so here in Norway. > Crows and other migratory birds also fall under those same laws (believe > me, they're spelled out in tedious length in the actual text). So even > though the damn ravens live outside my house and love to sit on the light > post and make a racket, I can't collect their feathers. At least not if > I'm going to let anyone else see 'em. Really? The mind boggels! :) But I have to wonder, are those laws acutally enforced? I'm aware of the possible problems with legitimacy for poachers and such, but doesn't plain old common sense enter into it anywhere? Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:32:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01977 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:32:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79DY2L26797; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79DY0a21073; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g79DXna21024 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCvtnps3qMr40Zv7hTFrZCgB2ZSY1BosNGA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9SAKWGU; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:33:33 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! Message-ID: <20020809.083302.-993319.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,6-7,10-13 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:33:02 -0500 Status: RO Here I go, wading in to an area where I have limited expertise..... For the 1920's number, I'd take a cue from the figure on the right in the illustration and do a low bun/roll at the nape of the neck and throw in a few marcel style waves on the front of the head. A hair ornament of some sort would be nice as well, either a jeweled band or a beaded ornament. For the 1950's number I'd go with a French Twist set a bit high on the back of your head. '50's formal wear was a very up-do sort of affair- y'all are in Virginia, I'm sure you know about up-do's! And that is probably far more than my tuppence worth. Karen ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:45:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02041 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:45:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Dl1L27469; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Dl0a24971; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:47:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Dkga24860 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25117 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:48:23 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: <010801c23f93$45210710$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:48:23 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > Well, that's the beauty of it, Robin. We make one costume for each of > us!! > > And I'll volunteer to do the actual sewing, so I get to go first. ;-) > And who's going to supply the materials? I believe Teddy has some excess stash ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02087 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:58:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79E04L28461; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79E01a29408; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79DxKa29215 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA38490 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:59:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! In-Reply-To: <3D53B347.70F8A1DD@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Penny, I recently came across an intriguing book on coiffures, written in the 30s. It talked about the different type of hair chignons worn in the 20s, styles, and how to make them. Some of the illustrations were fabulous! I /think/ the title was "The Art and Craft of Hairdressing". It might have some interesting info. Drea On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I *could* suggest cutting it, but I think you'd hurt me! So I > won't.... > Seriously, though....I have no idea about the hairstyles, the 20th c. > not being my "historical" period for costume. The two designs look > really fun, though (especially the poofy one!), and you ought to look > wonderful in both, with your coloring and build! > --Sue, in cold, drizzly Montana, where hot tea is a Good Thing (tm) this > morning ;-) > > Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > > It is almost time to be Cyber Cindy again! I am going to two balls, August > > 17 & 19. I am needing help with hairstyles and your suggestions would be > > appreciated. I have red waist length straight hair with bands. Please, > > please come up with something... Katie (my daughter) is dying to start > > working on my hair. So I need pictures to show her. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 10:20:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02179 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:20:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79EM2L29973; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79EM1a08296; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79ELsa08235 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.133.26]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020809142147.HCAB10030.out004.verizon.net@default> for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:21:47 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020809142009.007285ac@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: [h-cost] Re:Animal parts was: 'perfect elizabethan' Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:20:09 -0400 Status: RO At 10:05 AM 8/9/02 +0200, you wrote: >Ron wrote: >>However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the >>parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, >>unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. > >Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? >Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be >illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. > >Ingrid No the U.S. does not consider the whale one species, but I am still unaware of ANY cetacean that is allowed to be killed, or parts taken with out special license and reason, such as the ones I mentioned earlier or the pod of whales that was recently killed. In some cases I suspect that this is as much political as anything else since many species of porpoise are not endangered but still protected. A coworker of mine is a retired Federal Agent, and for a while (after the stopped the original Sky Marshalls program) he was involved in enforcing these laws. He told me to be sure to have documentation if you have any legal animal parts that are on the retricted lists. Most of my ivory is in the form of antique tools and scrimshaw, but he says I could still be at risk since I can't really prove that they are original. Cheers, Ron Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 10:24:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02195 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:24:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79ENCL00179; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79ENBa08822; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79EMpa08641 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g79EMnOC028054 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:22:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208091422.g79EMnOC028054@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Robin Netherton" at Aug 09, 2002 12:25:50 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO yep. my (goth-y) friends and I got chased out of there on several occasions. Put a major dent in my sewing career for years. .heather. > > > On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: > > > at least these days you can buy fabric online. I remember my horror > > trying to get costuming supplies at Piece Goods when I was a kid. > > The wonderfully conservative ladies working there would gasp with > > horror when I asked for ANY sheet lace in black. Guess I might as > > well have declared myself a satanist - since i wanted black cloth! > > Especially at Piece Goods. As I recall, that chain had bags printed with > crosses and Bible verses on them. (That was in the early 1980s, in > Virginia.) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 10:30:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02236 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:30:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79EW2L00763; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79EW1a12343; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79EVka12215 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:31:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.133.26]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020809143140.VUZT18399.out012.verizon.net@default> for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:31:40 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020809143002.0072631c@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Whaling Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:30:02 -0400 Status: RO At 02:06 PM 8/9/02 +0200, you wrote: > >As I said above I don't advocate whaling, but I do honestly feel that as >long as there are quotas for whaling minke that will be filled at any >rate, that it is worse to throw the baleen away than to make use of it. >Not using the baleen from these whales will not stop the whaling. >I would never, ever buy whalebone from an uncertain source (and have >never bought or used whalebone at all, just for the record - nor have I >heard of new whalebone being sold). But if I find a beached baleen whale >or I know for a fact that the baleen in question comes from a minke that has >been legally caught, I might consider using the whalebone. > >Ingrid See we are talking cultural difference as we do not have a quota on Minke, but just the opposite we have a ban. There was just recently a small pod of whales killed but that was because of illness. Apparently some of them were sick and were beaching themselves. The other would accidently beach themselves in trying to help the ill ones. I did not follow the story that closely, but apparently after being beached and rescued already twice, when the tried to beach themselves a third time they were destroyed. I think that was done to preserve others who might try to help, but as I said I did not follow the story closely. Cheers, Ron Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 10:38:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02286 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:38:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Ee3L01338; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Ee0a15825; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79EdFa15478 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:39:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g79EdD84028271 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:39:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208091439.g79EdD84028271@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Sue Clemenger" at Aug 09, 2002 06:19:19 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO for the 20's dress I would recommend putting your hair into tight spiral curls - i use a set of 1980's pin curl sticks for this, you can still get them, and they make really tight curls. then you gel those curls down, and pull the rest of the hair back into a loose bun of chignon and add adornments. the curls end up looking a lot like marcel waves, at least as close as i have gotten without paying a specialized historical stylist $75 for the pleasure ;) .heather. (you can also get the same effect with rag curls, pretty much.) check out marci's retro hair site at http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/2457/ > Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > > It is almost time to be Cyber Cindy again! I am going to two balls, August > > 17 & 19. I am needing help with hairstyles and your suggestions would be > > appreciated. I have red waist length straight hair with bands. Please, > > please come up with something... Katie (my daughter) is dying to start > > working on my hair. So I need pictures to show her. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 11:06:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02388 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:05:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79F82L03594; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79F81a28177; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g79F7ka27986 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:07:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OiBn9JU3OHQOpyorlnD2S+U="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9SFWZ6K; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:07:00 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. Message-ID: <20020809.080724.-104109.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,6-14,16-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:03:43 +0000 Status: RO I use quadrille paper--draw the pattern on it and tape it to a 3x5 card. That way it's easy enough to carry around with the project. If you're worried about your pattern card getting wet or damaged, cover it with some clear packing tape or fabric laminator. The latter works very well on some types of papers. I haven't tried it on filmy or tissue type papers though, such as dress patterns. Arlys > Why not make an exampler to carry in your workbasket? Unlike to-days > "samplers", an exampler was > just a length of cloth with different patterns worked on it in no > particalar order. Some times > just enough of a pattern was worked to enable the needleworker to be > able to copy it at a latter date. Roll it up and put it in with your threads. > > Peggy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 12:11:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02761 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:11:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79GD3L09469; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79GD1a02833; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79GC2a02260 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17dCMo-0000kU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:11:58 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:11:58 -0400 Status: RO > Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? > Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be > illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. The hunting of whales is completely off limits in US waters. There are some Native American tribes who are allowed to troll their ancestral hunting waters as part of their birthright, but commercial whaling is right-out no matter the species. And it's not quite the same as all birds being off limits because a few are endangered. The whale populations native to this part of the world were almost universially hunted to the point of extinction by the turn of the century, not just one particular species. When one population dwindled to nothing, whalers would move onto the next type of whale and so on. Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 12:18:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02825 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:18:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79GK2L10092; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79GK0a06759; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79GJIa06329 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p214.directcon.net [209.233.107.214]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g79GJ0Mx016131; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:19:01 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020809092422.01290190@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: <20020807135219.45122.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D511FD6.8D9AEA7E@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:24:22 -0700 Status: RO At 02:52 PM 08/07/2002 +0100, N Kipar wrote: *L* I really think we >should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, with robin to do the thinking >beforehand, margo to make the patterns, SOMEone to actually make the garment >(waits for that one) me making the accessories, you rolling hems and making the >embellishments. *G* > Oooh, I like this idea! Robin, be a dear and take care of those little details for me, would you? Come to think of it, Drea is doing this for me now, for a future joint offering. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 13:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03180 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:17:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79HJ5L15551; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79HJ3a09474; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79HIJa09077 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:18:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26724 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:20:00 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020809092422.01290190@pop.directcon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:20:00 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Margo Anderson wrote: > > *L* I really think we should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, > > with robin to do the thinking beforehand, margo to make the patterns, > > SOMEone to actually make the garment > > (waits for that one) me making the accessories, you rolling hems and > > making the embellishments. *G* > > Oooh, I like this idea! Robin, be a dear and take care of those little > details for me, would you? I'm still wrapping myself around the idea of think-work for patterns, since I work without them! I fit > sew > cut instead of the other way around. So I'm liable to skip your step entirely, Margo, without meaning to! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 13:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03431 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:54:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Hu2L18605; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Hu1a29090; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Htra28985 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:55:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ANGELA (adsl-63-202-198-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.198.62]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g79Htqv261892 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:55:52 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c23fce$45825f20$0c0010ac@ANGELA> From: "Angela F. Lazear- Cabbage Rose" To: References: <200208091439.g79EdD84028271@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:57:47 -0700 Status: RO Yes yes yes, that's the look! I think there are some good pics of women with longer hair all styled up in the "Great Gatsby" with Mia Farrow & Robert Redford. At least I think that's where I saw them. angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! > for the 20's dress I would recommend putting your hair into tight spiral curls - > i use a set of 1980's pin curl sticks for this, you can still get them, and > they make really tight curls. then you gel those curls down, and pull the rest > of the hair back into a loose bun of chignon and add adornments. the curls > end up looking a lot like marcel waves, at least as close as i have gotten > without paying a specialized historical stylist $75 for the pleasure ;) > > .heather. > > (you can also get the same effect with rag curls, pretty much.) > check out marci's retro hair site at http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/2457/ > > > > > > Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > > > > It is almost time to be Cyber Cindy again! I am going to two balls, August > > > 17 & 19. I am needing help with hairstyles and your suggestions would be > > > appreciated. I have red waist length straight hair with bands. Please, > > > please come up with something... Katie (my daughter) is dying to start > > > working on my hair. So I need pictures to show her. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 14:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03517 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:05:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79I72L19638; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79I71a05216; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay3.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79I3ca03466 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:03:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from M2W078.mail2web.com ([168.144.108.78]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:03:37 -0400 Message-ID: <293580-220028591833886@M2W078.mail2web.com> X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 0, 3 X-EM-Registration: #00E0641810D91B008120 X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 62.7.116.136 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "david.batterham@virgin.net" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2002 18:03:37.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[15F78B80:01C23FCF] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g79I3ca03466 Subject: [h-cost] Unsubscribing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: david.batterham@virgin.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:03:38 -0400 Status: RO Another appeal to Liz to help me find how to unsubscribe David Batterham Original Message: ----------------- From: Marna Jean marnajean@shootingstarhistory.com Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:07:12 -0500 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy dress costume-(I just got a new plate of fancy dress costumes for 1883 so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessing late 19th century. MJ Doug and Marna Jean Davis Shooting Star Enterprises Living History & Custom Historical Clothing http://www.shootingstarhistory.com/home.html oakley@access-one.com Alternate email- oakley@shootingstarhistory.com Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com - Victorian and Old West Era Online Classes in History and Period Sewing -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 14:30:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03690 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:30:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79IW5L21930; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79IW3a18212; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79ISWa16177 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:28:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.146] (as3-4-160.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.146]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g79ISUj27013 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001f01c23f82$78471d20$66c0adcb@michaela> References: <001f01c23f82$78471d20$66c0adcb@michaela> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:11:31 -0700 Status: RO > > Ron wrote: >> >However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the >> >parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, >> >unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. >> >> Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? >> Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be > > illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. IANAL, but ... One minor clarification on bird-parts (at least that was the case back when I was taking Avican Sciences classes at Davis in the '70s). Under US law, ownership of parts from any _native_ bird species is restricted. (Introduced species like pigeons, starlings, English sparrows, pheasants, etc. are fair game.) So, in fact, the bit about owning a part of a crow being illegal is actually technically correct, but not for the reason above. (I'm trying to head off confusion here, not picking at details.) Having unauthorized parts of endangered species carries a heavier penalty, however. On the other hand, it is possible to get permits to have restricted bird parts -- presumably if you can show a legitimate reason and if the parts are acquired in legitimate ways. (For example, a hunting permit for native species like migratory ducks and geese naturally involves permission to have parts from those birds in your possession! Similarly, people with falconry permits are authorized to possess feathers from the species their permit covers.) Whether the same "permit-to-own" option is available for antique whalebone, or whether it's not enough of a problem that anyone worries about it, I don't know. But I rather suspect that pretty much _all_ baleen whales are at least "protected species" (a lower level of danger than "endangered species") under US law, so it's not a matter of one endangered species making non-endangered ones illegal. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 14:30:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03695 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:30:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79IWVL21973; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:32:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79IWUa18442; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:32:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79IVIa17785 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:31:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020809183113.PQPM19356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@attbi.com>; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:31:13 +0000 Message-ID: <3D540A6F.20903@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Costumers , Costuming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Making of a helmet crest Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:31:11 -0700 Status: RO Greetings to one and all, In the near future I would like to make crest that will be placed over a 14th century helmet. For those who do not what a crest is, it's a figurehead that was placed atop of a helmet. I have thought about doing it in paper mache, but it's the main frame of it that I am having problems figuring out. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 14:39:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03738 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:39:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Ig1L22802; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Ig0a23401; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79IcVa21659 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:38:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0L0078VAG6AA@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:38:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Whaling In-reply-to: <2.2.32.20020809143002.0072631c@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020809113249.00cd0860@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:34:21 -0700 Status: RO I don't especially take a stand on whaling, but if I were against it, I would not spend my money to help any whaler make his profit. I'd rather he threw away the baleen and took a loss. > >As I said above I don't advocate whaling, but I do honestly feel that as > >long as there are quotas for whaling minke that will be filled at any > >rate, that it is worse to throw the baleen away than to make use of it. > >Not using the baleen from these whales will not stop the whaling. > >I would never, ever buy whalebone from an uncertain source (and have > >never bought or used whalebone at all, just for the record - nor have I > >heard of new whalebone being sold). But if I find a beached baleen whale > >or I know for a fact that the baleen in question comes from a minke that > has > >been legally caught, I might consider using the whalebone. > > > >Ingrid > > See we are talking cultural difference as we do not have a quota on >Minke, but just the opposite we have a ban. There was just recently a small >pod of whales killed but that was because of illness. Apparently some of >them were sick and were beaching themselves. The other would accidently >beach themselves in trying to help the ill ones. I did not follow the story >that closely, but apparently after being beached and rescued already twice, >when the tried to beach themselves a third time they were destroyed. I >think that was done to preserve others who might try to help, but as I said >I did not follow the story closely. > >Cheers, >Ron >Ron Carnegie >r.carnegie@verizon.net > ************************************************* > "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that > once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked > other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking > their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now > all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we > ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." > G.M. Trevelyan > ************************************************* > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 14:40:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03747 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:40:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Ig7L22822; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:42:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Ig6a23459; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Ieta22825 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:40:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA40821; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:40:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com cc: Costumers , Costuming Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making of a helmet crest In-Reply-To: <3D540A6F.20903@attbi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ceninni talks about how to do this in his book "Il Libro dell'Arte". He makes the basic form out of two pieces of leather, wets the leather, and stuffs it full of sand until it dries. Then the hollow leather base is covered with plaster and carved. There's also a reference in a 16th c. book of secrets for paper pulp mixed up with a starchy glue-like substance and molded into the desired shape. Which would be a lot lighter than plaster. :) Sounds like a fun project! Drea On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Rose Amberwulf wrote: > Greetings to one and all, > > In the near future I would like to make crest that will be placed > over a 14th century helmet. For those who do not what a crest is, it's > a figurehead that was placed atop of a helmet. I have thought about > doing it in paper mache, but it's the main frame of it that I am having > problems figuring out. > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Roscelin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 14:40:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03751 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:40:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Ig9L22837; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:42:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Ig9a23493; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:42:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79If8a22948 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA40821; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:40:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com cc: Costumers , Costuming Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making of a helmet crest In-Reply-To: <3D540A6F.20903@attbi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ceninni talks about how to do this in his book "Il Libro dell'Arte". He makes the basic form out of two pieces of leather, wets the leather, and stuffs it full of sand until it dries. Then the hollow leather base is covered with plaster and carved. There's also a reference in a 16th c. book of secrets for paper pulp mixed up with a starchy glue-like substance and molded into the desired shape. Which would be a lot lighter than plaster. :) Sounds like a fun project! Drea On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Rose Amberwulf wrote: > Greetings to one and all, > > In the near future I would like to make crest that will be placed > over a 14th century helmet. For those who do not what a crest is, it's > a figurehead that was placed atop of a helmet. I have thought about > doing it in paper mache, but it's the main frame of it that I am having > problems figuring out. > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Roscelin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 14:55:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03812 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:55:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Iv7L24292; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:57:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Iv6a01909; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Isva00657 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:54:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0L0073OB7JB3@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making of a helmet crest In-reply-to: <3D540A6F.20903@attbi.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020809113929.00e37860@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:54:30 -0700 Status: RO > In the near future I would like to make crest that will be placed over > a 14th century helmet. For those who do not what a crest is, it's a > figurehead that was placed atop of a helmet. I have thought about doing > it in paper mache, but it's the main frame of it that I am having > problems figuring out. >Any help will be greatly appreciated. If you're using papier mache', anything will do for a frame underneath the paper layers, as long as it won't rot and stink under there. You can use crumpled up newspaper taped into shape, a built-up wood armature, crumpled chicken wire, cardboard shapes cut and taped together, parts of a cut-up rubber ball, a balloon, plastic modeling clay, a stuffed animal - anything, as long as it's the right shape. Under several layers of paper, which will stiffen when dry, it won't matter what you used. When you are doing your several layers of paper, you can form places to put plumes, or realistic eyes and teeth from a taxidermy place. You can even run electrical wire between the layers of paper, if your intention is science fiction. And if there are enough layers of paper, you will have made the equivalent of particle board, and you can sand it smooth with regular sand paper. I believe that papier mache' is what the originals were made of, but I don't know where I heard that. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 15:35:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04027 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:35:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Jb4L27860; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Jb1a22474; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79JZfa21816 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.189.36.255] (HELO [192.168.1.102]) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 40188815 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:35:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c23f82$78471d20$66c0adcb@michaela> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:35:38 -0400 Status: RO I learned that it's legal to have, but not to sell, bird parts of native but unendangered species- this was discussed in an article about Native American artisans using found feathers in their work, noting that while such use was legal, selling the work was not. OTOH, no one was busting the gallery owners who had the work! It's not legal to have raptor or endangered species bits unless one has a permit, even a found feather. I think vultures fall into this category, but I'm not sure about ravens; I know that crows are legally "songbirds," though one can also legally shoot them in most states. I'm not sure where ducks and geese fall in this, since they're a separate issue- they're not the migratory native songbirds that the one law protects. I believe their feathers are legal, but don't know for sure. Exotics are fair game, whether bits or the whole bird. One can legally have a pet starling, for example, but not a jay. I think endangered exotics fall under yet another system of rules, which require yet another sort of permit. It's all a very confused mess! -Amanda who volunteered with an animal rehabber for a while and got introduced to some of this there _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 16:20:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04270 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:20:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79KMLL01939; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:22:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79KMJa16310; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:22:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79KIba14482 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:18:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0L007H5F2YLC@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:18:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: legal feathers (was Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020809130030.00e14a70@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <001f01c23f82$78471d20$66c0adcb@michaela> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:18:19 -0700 Status: RO The UD Department of Fish and Game has a huge web site, and they are very specific about what one can and cannot possess. Feathers from anything with a hunting season (ducks, doves, etc.) are assumed to have come from legally taken birds. Feathers from birds that are ranched in this country but endangered in their native country (ostriches) are assumed to be from ranched birds. 'Escaped domestic animals' have no protection except from local hunting ordinances (don't fire a gun inside the city limits, etc.), and this includes the 'rock dove' (city park pigeon). Vermin are similarly unprotected (rats, mice, etc.), but research crows, as they may be protected in some states but not in others. I don't think non-native species (parrots, English sparrows, etc.) are protected except by local hunting ordinances. If the Fish and Game Department catches you with illegal feathers they can confiscate the entire garment, or fine you, or both, depending on the offense, their web site tells me. >I learned that it's legal to have, but not to sell, bird parts of native >but unendangered species- this was discussed in an article about Native >American artisans using found feathers in their work, noting that while >such use was legal, selling the work was not. OTOH, no one was busting the >gallery owners who had the work! > >It's not legal to have raptor or endangered species bits unless one has a >permit, even a found feather. I think vultures fall into this category, >but I'm not sure about ravens; I know that crows are legally "songbirds," >though one can also legally shoot them in most states. > >I'm not sure where ducks and geese fall in this, since they're a separate >issue- they're not the migratory native songbirds that the one law >protects. I believe their feathers are legal, but don't know for sure. > >Exotics are fair game, whether bits or the whole bird. One can legally >have a pet starling, for example, but not a jay. I think endangered >exotics fall under yet another system of rules, which require yet another >sort of permit. > >It's all a very confused mess! > >-Amanda >who volunteered with an animal rehabber for a while and got introduced to >some of this there >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 16:35:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04385 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:35:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Kb3L03113; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Kb1a24681; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79KYLa23141 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:34:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC3E10F533 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B4EC10F535 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <023601c23fe2$ae770670$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:23:52 -0400 Status: RO Oh, Teeeddyyyyy..... Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > > Well, that's the beauty of it, Robin. We make one costume for each of > > us!! > > > > And I'll volunteer to do the actual sewing, so I get to go first. ;-) > > And who's going to supply the materials? > > I believe Teddy has some excess stash ;-) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 16:40:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04430 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:40:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Kg4L03622; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Kg3a28261; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f239.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.239]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Kf5a27552 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:41:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:41:00 -0700 Received: from 12.232.52.91 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 20:41:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.232.52.91] From: "Kala Jathos" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2002 20:41:00.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[1231A7E0:01C23FE5] Subject: [h-cost] interesting undergarments (was Re: interesting ebay corset) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:41:00 -0700 Status: RO So out of curiosity, I went and searched for "antique corset" on ebay to see what would come up, and I found this set of corset cover and bloomers http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2129223831 I'm having trouble reconciling the date in my mind. If the measurements of the corset cover are as she says, then that's definitely what it is, in my mind. I don't know anyone with that sort of tuck naturally! What confuses me are the bloomers. They've got a sewn crotch seam, which I was told was something that only really started in the late 1920's. I know that people were *probably* still wearing corsets and things around then, but I can't see why you would want closed crotch bloomers if you were wearing one, regardless of the year. It just doesn't make sense to me. The only other thing I can think of is that maybe it's a reproduction, and the crotch has been closed to less offend the modern buyer's sensibilities? But then that would call the seller's calling it "antique" into question... Please advise? :) -Laura (the puzzled) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 16:45:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04465 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:45:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Kl4L04167; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Kl3a01733; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79KkDa01067 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:46:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48A610F3AF for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1290A10F109 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <031101c23fe4$94ff5510$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <3D511FD6.8D9AEA7E@in-tch.com> <3.0.6.32.20020809092422.01290190@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:37:20 -0400 Status: RO Now THERE's a fantabulous combination! Whee!! Whatcha makin'? Dianne ----- Original Message ----- > > Come to think of it, Drea is doing this for me now, for a future joint > offering. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 17:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04560 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:10:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79LC3L06271; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79LC1a15051; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79LAAa14141 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:10:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p144.directcon.net [209.233.107.144]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g79L9wkO010555; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:09:59 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020809141516.00c6bec0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: <031101c23fe4$94ff5510$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> References: <3D511FD6.8D9AEA7E@in-tch.com> <3.0.6.32.20020809092422.01290190@pop.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:15:16 -0700 Status: RO At 04:37 PM 08/09/2002 -0400, Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: >Now THERE's a fantabulous combination! Whee!! Whatcha makin'? > We're in the very early stages of producing The 16th Century Market Woman's Wardrobe Pattern, or possibly several patterns for various geograpical areas. Look for it sometime next year. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 17:15:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04590 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:14:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79LH2L06705; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79LH2a17751; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79LCJa15197 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:12:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA41934 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:12:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] 1860s Dye Recipes online Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Everyone, While in the process of moving and updating my Elizabethan costuming page, I stumbled across a document that I'd been meaning to web for a while now...excerpts from the book "600 miscellaneous Receipts worth their weight in gold", published in 1860. I transcribed all of the recipes for dyeing fabric, dyeing straw and leather, cleaning gloves, making pomade and tooth powder, etc. It's up and running at http://costume.dm.net/other/1860misc.html My webpage deals with Elizabethan clothing, so I don't have a link to it...feel free to forward the url on to any sites, lists or folk who'd find it useful. Enjoy! Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 17:45:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04686 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:45:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79LlLL08917; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79LlJa03048; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Ljfa02258 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A8AB2C0210; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:48:27 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c23fee$0fec35a0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <00dd01c23f62$ca2718e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3D53B347.70F8A1DD@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:45:21 -0400 Status: RO Come here Sue... >> thinking of cutting my long hair of 17 years. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 18:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04840 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:10:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79MC3L11143; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79MC2a15292; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g792nda02946 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sherlock ([63.195.131.242]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with SMTP id <0H0J00A3XUIS5K@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:56:52 -0700 (PDT) From: PacBell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Filkers on h-costume To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <00aa01c23f37$12bfb520$0101a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C23EFC.66255AC0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020807192852.00ac4430@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Priority: 3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: PacBell List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 16:55:28 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C23EFC.66255AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, my name is Margo.(Some other Margo). I've written the occasional = filk, but no one in their right mind (or wrong one for that matter) = wants to hear me sing. costume content - I like to embroider; my sewing/costuming skills are = mediocre. I prefer ethnic styles, as they are easy to sew & leave a lot = of area for embellishment. Margo Glenn-Lewis Davis, CA ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C23EFC.66255AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, my name is Margo.(Some other = Margo).  I've=20 written the occasional filk, but no one in their right mind (or wrong = one for=20 that matter) wants to hear me sing.
 
costume content - I like to embroider; = my=20 sewing/costuming skills are mediocre.  I prefer ethnic styles, as = they are=20 easy to sew & leave a lot of area for embellishment.
 
Margo Glenn-Lewis
Davis, CA
------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C23EFC.66255AC0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 20:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05448 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:38:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7A0e6L19818; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A0e1a09638; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A0aFa08593 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:36:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m174.in-tch.com [216.166.191.174]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7A0M4900152 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D546160.AA700D62@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! References: <00dd01c23f62$ca2718e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3D53B347.70F8A1DD@in-tch.com> <003101c23fee$0fec35a0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 18:42:08 -0600 Status: RO Heh, heh, heh......... I'm just jealous, is all..... --sue (dang, but she packs a mean skillet...must be all those kids she has to keep in line! ) Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Come here Sue... >> thinking of > cutting my long hair of 17 years. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 20:39:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05454 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:39:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7A0exL19874; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A0ewa09951; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:40:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A0aea08689 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:36:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g7A0ab4d032024 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:36:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208100036.g7A0ab4d032024@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Unsubscribing To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "david.batterham@virgin.net" at Aug 09, 2002 02:03:38 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO from the headers of your mail: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > Another appeal to Liz to help me find how to unsubscribe David Batterham > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Marna Jean marnajean@shootingstarhistory.com > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:07:12 -0500 > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset > > > I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy dress > costume-(I just got a new plate of fancy dress costumes for 1883 so I'm > stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessing late 19th century. > MJ > > Doug and Marna Jean Davis > Shooting Star Enterprises > Living History & Custom Historical Clothing > http://www.shootingstarhistory.com/home.html > oakley@access-one.com > Alternate email- > oakley@shootingstarhistory.com > > Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com - > Victorian and Old West Era > Online Classes in History and Period Sewing > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 22:03:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05774 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:03:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7A255L23039; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:05:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A250a02835; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A201a01493 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.153] (pm5-153.eos.net [205.133.149.153]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25862 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:59:56 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200208092122.g79LM2a20426@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: helmet crest Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 21:59:09 -0400 Status: RO Rosalyn: My husband has several helmet crests. He made a leather cap that ties on the top of his helmet (yes, he had to drill through the helmet) that is the base of all his crests. They tie on to the leather base. The whole thing is quite sturdy. He isn't here, but I will ask him about the cap when he gets home. I think it is made from two pieces sewn together in the middle. It is stiffened, but I don't know if he just molded it by getting it wet, or if he made cuir buille by covering it with wax and baking it. More to come . . . Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 23:48:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06149 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 23:48:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7A3o3L27159; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A3o1a29011; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A3m4a28571 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:48:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.41.80]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020810034758.TJNN11089.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:47:58 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020809151836.00a38880@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200208092122.g79LM2a20426@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] interesting undergarments (was Re: interesting ebay corset) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:32:07 -0700 Status: RO I've found that quite a few sellers on ebay have a very vague idea of what "Victorian" means and often ascribe something to that time period when it's blatantly clear it's from a later era. One of my pet peeves is sellers calling an Edwardian or even later dress "Victorian". If it seems that the seller is making an honest mistake I'll email them with more correct information and dating. I've also found that "antique" is a word that's tossed around quite liberally on ebay. It seems that virtually anything pre-1950 is considered "antique" I agree that this corset is very likely not Victorian and not even antique. In fact, the fabric looks brand new. It's hard to tell from a jpeg, but there's something about it that looks like it's freshly made. There's a crispness to the look of the fabric that makes me think it's never been laundered. And aside from the closed crotch, the ""corset cover" buttons up the back, which a proper corset cover wouldn't. And I don't think Victorian or even later corset covers would have had quite so much crochet lace on them. My feeling is this is a leftover form the "prarie" style craze that was so popular in the '70's, and is popular right now again in that "retro" fashion. Which is why I think this could well be brand new. I'll be generous and say the seller probably meant to say "Victorian-STYLE" in their description. Julie >Message: 11 >From: "Kala Jathos" >To: h-costume@net.indra.com >Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:41:00 -0700 >Subject: [h-cost] interesting undergarments (was Re: interesting ebay corset) >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > >So out of curiosity, I went and searched for "antique corset" on ebay to see >what would come up, and I found this set of corset cover and bloomers > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2129223831 > >I'm having trouble reconciling the date in my mind. If the measurements of >the corset cover are as she says, then that's definitely what it is, in my >mind. I don't know anyone with that sort of tuck naturally! What confuses >me are the bloomers. They've got a sewn crotch seam, which I was told was >something that only really started in the late 1920's. I know that people >were *probably* still wearing corsets and things around then, but I can't >see why you would want closed crotch bloomers if you were wearing one, >regardless of the year. It just doesn't make sense to me. > >The only other thing I can think of is that maybe it's a reproduction, and >the crotch has been closed to less offend the modern buyer's sensibilities? >But then that would call the seller's calling it "antique" into question... > >Please advise? :) > >-Laura >(the puzzled) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 10 02:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23051 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7A6Z5L02867; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:35:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A6Z1a07739; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A6Xra07476 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0M00JM07KF8D@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 23:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting undergarments (was Re: interesting ebay corset) In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020809151836.00a38880@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020809232127.00cc21c0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200208092122.g79LM2a20426@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 23:33:46 -0700 Status: RO I think what we're looking at is too much matching crochet to be a totally 1970s thing. Notice how the lace appears to match on the yoke straps and the insertion on the drawers, as do the horizontal lace on the yoke and on the edge of the drawers. If it is a 70s thing, I think the lace is at least as old as the nineteen-teens, and is a set intended for a real corset cover and drawers. The lace style reminds me of nineteen-teens crochet nightgown yokes. But we can't tell if the lace was pieced together later out of old parts or if it was made as a set for what we see here. BTW, my favorite phrase is 'Victorian Flapper', which I see every once in a while used to describe one of those tubular nineteen-twenties dresses. >I've found that quite a few sellers on ebay have a very vague idea of what >"Victorian" means and often ascribe something to that time period when >it's blatantly clear it's from a later era. One of my pet peeves is >sellers calling an Edwardian or even later dress "Victorian". If it seems >that the seller is making an honest mistake I'll email them with more >correct information and dating. > >I've also found that "antique" is a word that's tossed around quite >liberally on ebay. It seems that virtually anything pre-1950 is considered >"antique" > >I agree that this corset is very likely not Victorian and not even >antique. In fact, the fabric looks brand new. It's hard to tell from a >jpeg, but there's something about it that looks like it's freshly made. >There's a crispness to the look of the fabric that makes me think it's >never been laundered. And aside from the closed crotch, the ""corset >cover" buttons up the back, which a proper corset cover wouldn't. And I >don't think Victorian or even later corset covers would have had quite so >much crochet lace on them. My feeling is this is a leftover form the >"prarie" style craze that was so popular in the '70's, and is popular >right now again in that "retro" fashion. Which is why I think this could >well be brand new. I'll be generous and say the seller probably meant to >say "Victorian-STYLE" in their description. > >Julie > > >>Message: 11 >>From: "Kala Jathos" >>To: h-costume@net.indra.com >>Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:41:00 -0700 >>Subject: [h-cost] interesting undergarments (was Re: interesting ebay corset) >>Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> >> >>So out of curiosity, I went and searched for "antique corset" on ebay to see >>what would come up, and I found this set of corset cover and bloomers >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2129223831 >> >>I'm having trouble reconciling the date in my mind. If the measurements of >>the corset cover are as she says, then that's definitely what it is, in my >>mind. I don't know anyone with that sort of tuck naturally! What confuses >>me are the bloomers. They've got a sewn crotch seam, which I was told was >>something that only really started in the late 1920's. I know that people >>were *probably* still wearing corsets and things around then, but I can't >>see why you would want closed crotch bloomers if you were wearing one, >>regardless of the year. It just doesn't make sense to me. >> >>The only other thing I can think of is that maybe it's a reproduction, and >>the crotch has been closed to less offend the modern buyer's sensibilities? >>But then that would call the seller's calling it "antique" into question... >> >>Please advise? :) >> >>-Laura >>(the puzzled) > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 10 10:33:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00528 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:33:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7AEZ3L15274; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7AEZ1a08862; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7AEVHa08101 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.9f.2b8b9da9 (4238) for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:31:10 -0400 (EDT) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae@aol.com> Subject: Fwd: [Rhydderich_Hael] Re: Fwd: [h-cost] Curing Rabbit Pelts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10571 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:31:10 EDT Status: RO --part1_9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae_alt_boundary" --part1_9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know this question was asked quite a while ago. I also know that several of you are in touch with the person who does period tanning. I received the forwarded message and thought I should share this as well. Elisabeth --part1_9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know this question was asked quite a while ago.  I also know that several of you are in touch with the person who does period tanning.  I received the forwarded message and thought I should share this as well.
Elisabeth
--part1_9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae_alt_boundary-- --part1_9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xj05.mx.aol.com (rly-xj05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.42]) by air-xj05.mail.aol.com (v86_r1.16) with ESMTP id MAILINXJ51-0808192439; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 19:24:39 2000 Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by rly-xj05.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXJ59-0808192420; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 19:24:20 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2510481-1536-1028848933-BOSTONHAHN=aol.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2002 23:22:13 -0000 X-Sender: salley@klaatu.canisius.edu X-Apparently-To: Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Aug 2002 23:22:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 92632 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 23:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2002 23:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 23:22:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2002 23:22:11 -0000 To: Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dagonell2001" X-Originating-IP: 12.45.22.4 X-Yahoo-Profile: dagonell2001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com; contact Rhydderich_Hael-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 23:22:10 -0000 Subject: [Rhydderich_Hael] Re: Fwd: [h-cost] Curing Rabbit Pelts Reply-To: Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The book you want is called "How to cure hides and tan leather". I bought my copy from Castle Furnishings at last Pennsic (I've got two bunnies and a doe in my freezer waiting for me to finish reading it) She also has a web-site as www.medievalbookstore.com Good luck, we'll compare pelts in the fall. -- Dagonell --- In Rhydderich_Hael@y..., BOSTONHAHN@a... wrote: > I received this message from the Historical Costuming list. I thought maybe > Lord Cynwyl could answer this question. But the email address I have for him > is not working. Maybe someone can forward please, if he is not on this list. > Thanks > Elisabeth > > Can anyone help? > > As the other half seems to enjoy thinning out the local rabbit population and bringing them home > for us to eat. I decided it might be worth doing something with all the furs, that otherwise > would go in the bin. Does anyone have any idea how furs were cured in 16th Century England. I > have heard of using alum or alum and saltpeter but I have no idea if these were used then and what > quantities would be required. > > Many Thanks > > Rachel > > ===== > Rachel > > Tudor Bibliography > http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@m... > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now Click Here! ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Rhydderich_Hael-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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--part1_63.fd9ca97.2a86ab6c_alt_boundary-- --part1_63.fd9ca97.2a86ab6c_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (rly-xb05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.106]) by air-xb04.mail.aol.com (v86_r1.16) with ESMTP id MAILINXB43-0810120554; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:05:54 -0400 Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXB54-0810120532; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:05:32 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2510481-1540-1028995528-BOSTONHAHN=aol.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2002 16:05:28 -0000 X-Sender: salley@klaatu.canisius.edu X-Apparently-To: Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Aug 2002 16:05:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 79971 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 16:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2002 16:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 16:05:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2002 16:05:25 -0000 To: Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dagonell2001" X-Originating-IP: 12.45.22.44 X-Yahoo-Profile: dagonell2001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com; contact Rhydderich_Hael-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:05:24 -0000 Subject: [Rhydderich_Hael] Re: Fwd: [h-cost] Curing Rabbit Pelts Reply-To: Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found the recipe Cynwyl gave me: 4 oz salt petre (drug store) 1 lb alum (health food store) 2-1/2 lb oatmeal 1/4 lb kosher salt 1 qt buttermilk Mix well. Rub into hide on non-fur side. Does one deerskin. Let us know how many bunnies it does. -- Dagonell > --- In Rhydderich_Hael@y..., BOSTONHAHN@a... wrote: > > I received this message from the Historical Costuming list. I > thought maybe > > Lord Cynwyl could answer this question. But the email address I > have for him > > is not working. Maybe someone can forward please, if he is not on > this list. > > Thanks > > Elisabeth > > > > Can anyone help? > > > > As the other half seems to enjoy thinning out the local rabbit > population and bringing them home > > for us to eat. I decided it might be worth doing something with all > the furs, that otherwise > > would go in the bin. Does anyone have any idea how furs were cured > in 16th Century England. I > > have heard of using alum or alum and saltpeter but I have no idea if > these were used then and what > > quantities would be required. > > > > Many Thanks > > > > Rachel > > > > ===== > > Rachel > > > > Tudor Bibliography > > http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@m... > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now Click Here! ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Rhydderich_Hael-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --part1_63.fd9ca97.2a86ab6c_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 00:26:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04302 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:26:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7B4S6L18051; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:28:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B4S1a25343; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03bw.bigpond.com (mta03bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B4MPa24160 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.84]) by mta03bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta03bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0NW5500.80E for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:22:17 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.74 ([203.54.114.74]) by bwmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 47/11431990); 11 Aug 2002 14:22:12 Message-ID: <3D56D6DA.C088AD63@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Long gloves Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:27:54 -0700 Status: RO When were long evening gloves worn? From what I've seen long gloves start to be worn in the late 1790's but a lot of 1840's pictures have the ladies wearing short gloves with evening dresses? They seem to be pretty much universal from the later Victorian period into this century. Were there any rules about colours and stuff? I recently acquired a pair (polyester unfortunately I think) so I'm wondering what costume I could make to go with them? Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 00:27:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04310 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:27:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7B4T6L18102; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:29:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B4T5a25581; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:29:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06bw.bigpond.com (mta06bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.96]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B4Q6a24905 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.84]) by mta06bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0NWBA00.0ZR for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:25:58 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.74 ([203.54.114.74]) by bwmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 47/11439130); 11 Aug 2002 14:25:54 Message-ID: <3D56D7B7.EC859C65@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) References: <3D529F27.17928.50FF618@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:31:36 -0700 Status: RO > > > Also, I don't have a single strand running around the whole > waistband. I do that in quarters or eighths too. The reason for this > is that if you pop a strand, you don't get the whole skirt popping > out, only that one section, which makes it much easier to repair. (I > do the sewing of the pleats the same way for the same reason. > Can you tell I've seen too many which have unraveled themselves in > the middle of important usage?) > > The tricky part of this is that you have to have the strands of one > section slightly overlapping those of another section so that you > don't accidently get an "empty" area with a pleat valley which > doesn't have a strand holding it in place. > Ah well, what I do for that is knot the thread every five-ten pleats or so, then if it breaks only a few come undone, and it avoids the 'valley' thing too. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 00:45:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04373 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:44:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7B4l2L18733; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B4l1a29179; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03ps.bigpond.com (mta03ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B4cBa27404 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:38:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.78]) by mta03ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta03ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0NWV700.D5O for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:37:55 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.74 ([203.54.114.74]) by PSMAM04.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 92/39194942); 11 Aug 2002 14:37:51 Message-ID: <3D56DA63.90A56163@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: [Fwd: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...)] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BB825A7B3AB292DAB2958448" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:42:59 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BB825A7B3AB292DAB2958448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Claire Clarke wrote: > N Kipar wrote: > > > --- Claire Clarke wrote: > > > > > > No, I do it this way too, and I'm a mathematician! > > > On the other hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can > > > never seem to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull > > > the skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have > > > a foolproof method for this one? > > > > Uhm... you are probably going to scream now being a mathematician but I NEVER > > cxalculate anything when I cartridge pleat. I just pleat, as big or small as I > > think looks good and then I just shuffle the pleats prettily and neatly along > > the waistband. works everytime, truly foolproof and I wouldn't even know how to > > do the calculation thing (I'm dyscalcic, numbers mean nothing to me). > > > > Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! > :-P > Obviously my problem is just thinking about it too much *grin* > > Claire --------------BB825A7B3AB292DAB2958448 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3D56D71B.3376CA17@bigpond.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:28:59 -0700 From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) References: <20020808232158.66095.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit N Kipar wrote: > --- Claire Clarke wrote: > > > > No, I do it this way too, and I'm a mathematician! > > On the other hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can > > never seem to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull > > the skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have > > a foolproof method for this one? > > Uhm... you are probably going to scream now being a mathematician but I NEVER > cxalculate anything when I cartridge pleat. I just pleat, as big or small as I > think looks good and then I just shuffle the pleats prettily and neatly along > the waistband. works everytime, truly foolproof and I wouldn't even know how to > do the calculation thing (I'm dyscalcic, numbers mean nothing to me). > Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! :-P Obviously my problem is just thinking about it too much *grin* Claire --------------BB825A7B3AB292DAB2958448-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 01:30:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04612 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:30:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7B5W2L20241; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B5W0a08422; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B5Uva08213 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020811053051.YRP19356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 05:30:51 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c240f8$41a11ce0$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <3D56D6DA.C088AD63@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Long gloves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:30:51 -0700 Status: RO A vague answer, but I would suggest looking through fashion plates (you could look at the Timeline of Costume History images on the Costumer's Manifesto: http://www.costumes.org/pages/timelinepages/timeline.htm) to find styles, lengths, and colors, which definitely vary by period. For example, I was recently looking at gloves in the 1830's, and I found that below-elbow-length white gloves were practically universal. - Kendra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire Clarke" To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: [h-cost] Long gloves > When were long evening gloves worn? From what I've seen long gloves > start to > be worn in the late 1790's but a lot of 1840's pictures have the ladies > wearing > short gloves with evening dresses? They seem to be pretty much universal > from > the later Victorian period into this century. Were there any rules about > colours and > stuff? > I recently acquired a pair (polyester unfortunately I think) so I'm > wondering what > costume I could make to go with them? > > Claire > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 03:58:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05138 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 03:58:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7B804L24903; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 02:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B801a07284; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 02:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B7wIa06988 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:58:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-103-173.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.103.173]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJK06783; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:59:10 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00a301c2410d$39acc740$03764ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3D56D6DA.C088AD63@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Long gloves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:00:56 +0100 Status: RO Gloves fashions change quite a lot from what I've read, I do 1870s & tend to wear 24 inch for evenings and wrist for day. I had problems getting leather gloves to fit my large modern hands so started making various styles in my size, I was surprised to find so many people had trouble so now I sell too. Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 14:55:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12074 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:55:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7BIv7L15126; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:57:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BIv1a16471; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BIlea14248 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:47:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-043.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.43]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217BE7D21 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:30:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D56AD2E.6090804@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010004010803080508040008" Subject: [h-cost] Ippie!! My own website!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:30:06 +0200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010004010803080508040008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have my own website!! It is still under construction, but it is my own!! You can find here the story of the making of my 16th century weddingdress. And I plan on putting pictures up of all the costumes I have made, and lots of other stuf. It is more work then I thought but I'm happy! And I hope others wil like it too. Medieval and Renaissance costumes and archery http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/ Greetings, Deredere --------------010004010803080508040008 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Base: "http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/" Content-Location: "http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/" Medieval and Renaissance costumes and archery

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--------------010004010803080508040008-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 15:19:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12203 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:19:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7BJLHL16330; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:21:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BJLAa22759; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:21:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BJ9Ja19328 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:09:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk (0x3ef32f31.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.49]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3285D5EF76F for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:09:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D56B5B0.EB3C7380@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ippie!! My own website!! References: <3D56AD2E.6090804@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:06:24 +0200 Status: RO Dear Deredere, May i be the first one to congratulate you with your beautifull Weddingdress and your brand new website! I think your Weddingdress is absolutely beautifull, i love the colours, especially the rose color, my favourite colour. Your beautifull embroidery also pleased my body, lovely work! Congratulations Deredere, may your merrige be as happy and harmonious as your beautifull work. Bjarne Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > Hi, > > I have my own website!! > It is still under construction, but it is my own!! > > You can find here the story of the making of my 16th century > weddingdress. > And I plan on putting pictures up of all the costumes I have made, > and > lots of other stuf. > It is more work then I thought but I'm happy! > And I hope others wil like it too. > > Medieval and Renaissance costumes and archery > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/ > > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Medieval and Renaissance costumes and archery > > > [Image] > > > Index: * Wedding invitation (Under construktion) * My weddingdress * Wedding costume (under construktion) * Wedding Pictures (under construktion) * Costume Galery (under construktion) * Archery (under construktion) > > [Image] > > > This website is maintained by Owen and Deredere ( triade@kabelfoon.nl > ). > Last update: 11 August 2002 > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 15:59:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12347 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:59:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7BK12L17806; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BK10a02118; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BJwwa01608 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:58:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06827 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:00:49 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ippie!! My own website!! In-Reply-To: <3D56B5B0.EB3C7380@post12.tele.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:00:49 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Leif Drews wrote: > > You can find here the story of the making of my 16th century > > weddingdress. > > > > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/ Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12627 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:05:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7BL73L21026; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BL71a17672; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BKt2a15036 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.89.1c1e7551 (3310) for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:54:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <89.1c1e7551.2a88291d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_89.1c1e7551.2a88291d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:54:53 EDT Status: RO --part1_89.1c1e7551.2a88291d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/02 12:37:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sustre@pixelations.com writes: > I learned that it's legal to have, but not to sell, bird parts of > native but endangered species-this was discussed in an article > about Native American artisans using found feathers in their work, > noting that while such use was legal, selling the work was not. OTOH, > no one was busting the gallery owners who had the work! > I have heard of many gallery owners being taken into federal court for trying to sell a piece of art with eagle feathers. most of what you see in Native American art for sale are not eagle feathers but dyed turkey feathers. And the Dept. of the Interior has agents who make suprise visits to galleries that specialize in NA art to verify the feathers in use are not endangered species and if they have any questions on it they impound the piece of art to test the feathers. If you ever want to create a panic at any NA festival were there are costumes with Eagle Feathers...try picking one up that falls on the ground. Very bad thing to do. Osmondia --part1_89.1c1e7551.2a88291d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/02 12:37:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sustre@pixelations.com writes:


I learned that it's legal to have, but not to sell, bird parts of
native but endangered species-this was discussed in an article
about Native American artisans using found feathers in their work,
noting that while such use was legal, selling the work was not. OTOH,
no one was busting the gallery owners who had the work!


I have heard of many gallery owners being taken into federal court for trying to sell a piece of art with eagle feathers.  most of what you see in Native American art for sale are not eagle feathers but dyed turkey feathers. And the Dept. of the Interior has agents who  make suprise visits to galleries that specialize in NA art to verify the feathers in use are not endangered species and if they have any questions on it they impound the piece of art to test the feathers.
If you ever want to create a panic at any NA festival were there are costumes with Eagle Feathers...try picking one up that falls on the ground.  Very bad thing to do.

Osmondia
--part1_89.1c1e7551.2a88291d_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 17:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12859 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:53:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7BLtAL23088; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:55:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BLt4a28128; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06bw.bigpond.com (mta06bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.96]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BLoTa27214 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.84]) by mta06bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0P8NX00.0SE for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:50:21 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.6 ([203.54.114.6]) by bwmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 47/13126430); 12 Aug 2002 07:50:16 Message-ID: <3D57CC80.56C6DDAF@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Long gloves References: <3D56D6DA.C088AD63@bigpond.com> <00a301c2410d$39acc740$03764ed5@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:56:01 -0700 Status: RO Melanie Wilson wrote: > Gloves fashions change quite a lot from what I've read, I do 1870s & tend to > wear 24 inch for evenings and wrist for day. I had problems getting leather > gloves to fit my large modern hands so started making various styles in my > size, I was surprised to find so many people had trouble so now I sell too. > I have the opposite problem - small hands with very long fingers. On most of the gloves that fit my hand the fingers stop not much past my first knuckle. So I was very surprised to find that these old gloves fit me quite well. On the other hand they are gold satin not kid which I understand was most common historically. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 18:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12935 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:06:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7BM84L23526; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BM82a01059; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BM4Ga00147 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-127-64.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.127.64] (may be forged)) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJR39480; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:04:04 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00b601c24183$68889d20$03664ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3D56D6DA.C088AD63@bigpond.com> <00a301c2410d$39acc740$03764ed5@pavilion> <3D57CC80.56C6DDAF@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Long gloves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:06:55 +0100 Status: RO >I have the opposite problem - small hands with very long fingers. On most of the gloves that fit my hand the fingers stop not much past my first knuckle. Yes I have long fingers too :( What size are you ? >So I was very surprised to find that these old gloves fit me quite well. On the other hand they are gold satin not kid which I understand was most common historically. Indeed Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 19:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13450 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:56:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7BNw2L27697; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BNw1a25251; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BNs4a24421 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a238.in-tch.com [66.62.107.38]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7BNdr908260 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:39:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D56FA7A.450E79FB@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ippie!! My own website!! References: <3D56AD2E.6090804@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:59:54 -0600 Status: RO Thank you so much for sharing this with us! I just love reading people's "dress diaries"! I like very much what you did with your shift/chemise...I've seen portraits with the sleeves done just that way. And I like the blackwork you did for your corset, but then, monochrome embroidery's really my own favorit thing anyway...just ask Robin...she's seen some of it! I also really liked the portrait you were using as inspiration for the partlet you didn't get finished, but it's not one I've seen before. Who's the artist? I may have to -uh- "borrow" it for my own inspiration.... I sure hope that if I ever get married, my dress will be as beautiful as yours.... --Sue Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > > Hi, > > I have my own website!! > It is still under construction, but it is my own!! > > You can find here the story of the making of my 16th century > weddingdress. > And I plan on putting pictures up of all the costumes I have made, and > lots of other stuf. > It is more work then I thought but I'm happy! > And I hope others wil like it too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 00:13:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14494 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:13:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7C4FBL08484; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C4F9a22436; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:15:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C45aa20231 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:05:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08973 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:07:23 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Artemesia/Orazio exhibit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:07:23 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO I thought I posted about this ages ago, but I don't see any record of a post, so I'm doing it now. I hope it's still timely enough to be useful to someone... The St. Louis Art Museum is currently hosting the first major exhibit of the works of Orazio and Artemesia Gentileschi, displayed together. The show runs through September 15; this is the third and last stop (after Rome and NYC). I've been twice already, even though I don't normally go for Baroque (well, I edged into one of the styles once, and used Artemesia's paintings as a source, so I had a little awareness of these works). The exhibit is breathtaking -- rooms upon rooms, more than 65 works, including multiple versions of many of the most famous scenes, such as Judith & Holofernes. Often the father and daughter versions are shown near each other, so you can compare them. It was interesting to learn that for some of the paintings, it's still under question which of the Gentileschis was the artist. There's also been a lecture series, a conference, etc. associated with the exhibit. You can find out more at http://www.slam.org -- click "Exhibitions," and then "Featured Exhibition." If you look through all the pages on the exhibit, you'll see quite a few nice images. Click on any one for a closeup and detailed information, and once you're on one image you can scroll through the rest. I don't know how long these will be up on the site; they may disappear when the exhibit closes. Naturally I went to the lecture about costume in the paintings ;-) The speaker was Carole Collier Frick, who has a book coming out this fall on clothing in Renaissance Florence. (I'll post the book citation in my next post, with some others.) I was impressed by the depth of her knowledge within her field, a little skeptical of some of her statements when she strayed outside her area of specialty. For those with that focus, the book sounds like it will be a useful source. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 00:18:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14527 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:18:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7C4K3L08666; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C4K1a23596; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C49sa21226 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09000 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:11:45 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7C49sa21226 Subject: [h-cost] Books on Italy, silk, etc. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:11:45 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO I've collected a few book references that might be useful to some members of the list. I know nothing about any of these except what you see here, though I did hear Carole Collier Frick speak a few weeks ago (see my previous post). Dressing Renaissance Florence: Honorable Families, Economics, and Tailors Carole Collier Frick Baltimore : Johns Hopkins University Press, 2002 The silk industry of Renaissance Venice Luca Molà Baltimore : Johns Hopkins University Press, 2000. La seta in Italia dal Medioevo al Seicento : dal baco al drappo Luca Molà, Reinhold C. Mueller, Claudio Zanier Venezia : Marsilio, 2000. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 00:43:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14625 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:43:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7C4j9L09618; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C4j4a29583; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C4bCa27873 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:37:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m114.in-tch.com [216.166.191.114]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7C4N0907376 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D573CD9.ED931BCB@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books on Italy, silk, etc. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:43:05 -0600 Status: RO Oh, fine...ruin my book budget right before I go to Europe. Geez! ;-P --sue, who gets to go to the bank tomorrow and put in her "order" for Euros and pounds..... Robin Netherton wrote: > > I've collected a few book references that might be useful to some members > of the list. I know nothing about any of these except what you see here, > though I did hear Carole Collier Frick speak a few weeks ago (see my > previous post). > > Dressing Renaissance Florence: Honorable Families, Economics, and Tailors > Carole Collier Frick > Baltimore : Johns Hopkins University Press, 2002 > > The silk industry of Renaissance Venice > Luca Molà > Baltimore : Johns Hopkins University Press, 2000. > > La seta in Italia dal Medioevo al Seicento : dal baco al drappo > Luca Molà, Reinhold C. Mueller, Claudio Zanier > Venezia : Marsilio, 2000. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 01:48:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14871 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:48:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7C5o7L12078; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:50:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C5o1n14468; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C5eAn12422 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09371 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:42:01 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Italian sumptuary laws paper Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:42:01 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO I'm going through old emails and found this interesting reference: > Bridgeman, Jane. 'Pagare le Pompe': Why Quattrocento > Sumptuary Laws Did Not Work. In Women in Italian Renaissance Culture > and Society. Edited by Letizia Panizza. European Humanities Research > Centre, University of Oxford, 2000. Pages 209-226. Should be useful to someone... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 06:01:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA08202 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:01:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CA34L20020; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 04:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CA31n12625; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 04:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C9pln10467 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 03:51:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-195.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.195]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B49C7FAF for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:51:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D578531.5040505@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ippie!! My own website!! References: <3D56AD2E.6090804@kabelfoon.nl> <3D56FA7A.450E79FB@in-tch.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040104020604020304030401" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:51:45 +0200 Status: RO --------------040104020604020304030401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I also like to read dress diaries. That is wy I decided to make one of my wedding dress. I hope that my husband will find some time to make a diary of his costume. You can find the painting here. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor15.html A detail picture of such a parlet http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1570_3.shtml Greetings, Deredere Sue Clemenger wrote: >Thank you so much for sharing this with us! I just love reading people's >"dress diaries"! >I like very much what you did with your shift/chemise...I've seen >portraits with the sleeves done just that way. And I like the blackwork >you did for your corset, but then, monochrome embroidery's really my own >favorit thing anyway...just ask Robin...she's seen some of it! >I also really liked the portrait you were using as inspiration for the >partlet you didn't get finished, but it's not one I've seen before. >Who's the artist? I may have to -uh- "borrow" it for my own >inspiration.... >I sure hope that if I ever get married, my dress will be as beautiful as >yours.... >--Sue > >Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>I have my own website!! >>It is still under construction, but it is my own!! >> >>You can find here the story of the making of my 16th century >>weddingdress. >>And I plan on putting pictures up of all the costumes I have made, and >>lots of other stuf. >>It is more work then I thought but I'm happy! >>And I hope others wil like it too. >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --------------040104020604020304030401 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

I also like to read dress diaries. That is wy I decided to make one of my wedding dress.
I hope that my husband will find some time to make a diary of his costume.

You can find the painting here.
http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor15.html
A detail picture of such a parlet
http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1570_3.shtml

Greetings,
        Deredere

Sue Clemenger wrote:
Thank you so much for sharing this with us! I just love reading people's
"dress diaries"!
I like very much what you did with your shift/chemise...I've seen
portraits with the sleeves done just that way. And I like the blackwork
you did for your corset, but then, monochrome embroidery's really my own
favorit thing anyway...just ask Robin...she's seen some of it!
I also really liked the portrait you were using as inspiration for the
partlet you didn't get finished, but it's not one I've seen before.
Who's the artist? I may have to -uh- "borrow" it for my own
inspiration....
I sure hope that if I ever get married, my dress will be as beautiful as
yours....
--Sue

Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote:
Hi,

I have my own website!!
It is still under construction, but it is my own!!

You can find here the story of the making of my 16th century
weddingdress.
And I plan on putting pictures up of all the costumes I have made, and
lots of other stuf.
It is more work then I thought but I'm happy!
And I hope others wil like it too.
_______________________________________________
h-costume mailing list
h-costume@mail.indra.com
http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume


--------------040104020604020304030401-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 08:21:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10508 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:21:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CCN2L24445; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CCN0n12232; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf03bis.bellsouth.net (mail203.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CCHdn11065 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:17:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.14]) by imf03bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020812121908.VRHP1195.imf03bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:19:08 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c241f9$dd1888f0$0e144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian sumptuary laws paper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:14:50 -0400 Status: RO Yes!!! Useful to me!!!!!! Apollonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] Italian sumptuary laws paper > > I'm going through old emails and found this interesting reference: > > > Bridgeman, Jane. 'Pagare le Pompe': Why Quattrocento > > Sumptuary Laws Did Not Work. In Women in Italian Renaissance Culture > > and Society. Edited by Letizia Panizza. European Humanities Research > > Centre, University of Oxford, 2000. Pages 209-226. > > Should be useful to someone... > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 08:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11903 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:58:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CCx4L26260; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CCx3n20859; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7CCpAn18966 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020812125109.13690.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:51:09 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:51:09 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > I believe Teddy has some excess stash ;-) > > --Robin And, as I heard on Saturday, apparently still some of the yellow curtain mountain left over. *G* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 09:22:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12043 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:22:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CDOOL27531; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CDONn27556; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7CDISn25888 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:18:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020812131827.87180.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:18:27 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807142238.52648.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:18:27 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > --- N Kipar < > To be honest I don't know how the fee scale is worked out. I know some > events are done more for > love and for sponsers who are not so flush with cash. But for people like > the big charities, if > they want us to do high Elizabethan then the group cannot afford to stump up > the cash, so that > leaves the sponsor. Unfortunately none have yet decided to go for it. I still don't understand it dear. Why would the GROUP have to stump up any cash. I always thought that a costume is made/or bought by an individual, and it is their possession and if they want to make one they do, if they don't wnat to have one they don't. If none of you want to have one then you can't do the high society show because none of the members ave it. Simple? Logical? Do... maybe I am just naive. *laughs* I always thought re-enactment/living history is a HOBBY that is verrrry expensive and knacketring most of the time but oh so rewarding and wonderful when standing there and looking at 2000 other re-emactors from all periods and rooting for each other. *dreamy sigh* It was wonderful (but the organisation and the mud was horror) > Most of what we do is demonstrations for the public, which involves alot of > answering questions. Is there any other way??? > The hardest is the living history for school children where you have a group > of 15 or so and you > have to talk to them for 20 minutes. yep, oh I can believe that, but we don't do that because I refeuse to book such shows. Can't be bothered, I hav a ful time job!! We all want to ENJOY ourselves, and not actually WORK! It's a hobby.... public at an event is one thing, but talks for children? nah.... ;-) Kudos to those who do it! *applauses* The trouble is we have ten groups a > day. That kind of event > costs alot, but then it really just gets passed onto the schools, plus a bit. See above, that is not re-enactment or living history how I see it, that is work. There are a lot of people doing the history school work, Ben does it too but that is seperate from the re-enactemnt/living history society. One thing has nothing to do with the other (at least for us!) It is interesting to see that some people see the re-enactment more like work and get money from it, I met some other small groups like that. I guess it is just a different way of life. *S* (and I can't stand kids, hehehe) Nicole - with wig all weekend long and no probs *S* ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 10:38:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12679 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:38:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CEe7L03146; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CEe3n23909; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7CEZQn21712 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020812143525.97348.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:35:25 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:35:25 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Well, well, I can only say that Jean, Teddy and Tom are LOVELY! Oh, and I did manage to meet Kate too, albeit briefly, in the courtyard during the day. Kate, I would love to get a copy of the photos of you and me if possible. I'm sorry that I didn't manage to meet Debbie or Freyalyn. Debbie, I looked for you on the traders' market and couldn't find you. Oh yes, and the promised pictures are right now downloading off the disks... *G* Nicole - enchanted with the fact that the h-cost members I met are even nicer in reality as they already are online! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 12:31:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14093 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:31:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CGX6L15994; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CGX1n28644; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7CGUIn26962 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:30:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020812163017.14216.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:30:17 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D684840EF5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:30:17 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > > > Not all of them, Nicole. Several of the 15th century ones I do, the > public can come in dressed however they want... some do in > costume. Some events seem to attract more costumed public > than others. Oh I didn't know! You live and learn. :-) > It's only organizations like stuck up old English Heretics who don't > let non-participants in if they're in costume.... hehehhe, down with EH I shout! The individual employees were so helpful and lovely and just as much victims of the non-existent organisation as we were. How did you get of, as stuck in the mud as we were? it was HORROR! If the re-enactors didn't tow away each other no one would have gone off. EH didn' do a thing during the day for the re-enactors camping and parking, wha a nightmare it was indeed. Anyway, otherwise Kirby was LOVELY! So many wonderful people, it was great, and I have loads of piccies of the grand paade from Sunday *G* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 16:01:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15720 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:01:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CK34L06677; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CK31n28342; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailcity.com (fes4.mail.lycos.com [209.185.123.96]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7CJuZn23673 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:56:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:56:15 -0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Katie Lewis" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hijab (was forehead cloths) X-Sender-Ip: 149.169.40.60 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: katie_lewis@lycos.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:56:15 -0400 Status: RO On Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:48:04 Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > >In fact, I own a couple of those types of head coverings. The name I've >been told is an "al-amira" hijab. Often the overscarf is _also_ made of >stretchy fabric and is shaped sort of like a hood. I've got a couple with >fancy lace around the edges to match the skullcaps. > >The first few hijab on this page are amira-type headcoverings: >http://www.almuhajabat.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?>Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=Almuhajabat&Category_Code=h Cool! Thanks for the info. I hadn't seen that style of hijab before, I wish that it was possible to tell from the site where these are popular, since styles seem to be somewhat regional. One of the things that facinates me about hijab is how varied the styles are, and how much and how rapidly they change. > >Similarly, the big shapeless (usually black) robes are chaador, but most >women in Saudi Arabia and Turkey wear jilbab (a loose overjacket) >instead. And as with all things fashion related, the terminology varies a lot. In India a jilbab is called a burqua (occasionaly called a "Saudi" or "Turkish" burqa), chador is the term used to describe a large dupatta (also called a chunni or oni) worn so as to cover the head and torso, which is not worn with a burqa. -Katie --- Oz: (pulls a animal craker out of box) Oh, look! Monkey! And he has a little hat. And little pants. The monkey's the only cookie animal that gets to wear clothes, you know that? So, I'm wondering, do the other cookie animals feel sorta ripped? Like, is the hippo going, 'Hey, man, where are *my* pants? I have my hippo dignity!' And you know the monkey's just, (with a French accent) 'I mock you with my monkey pants!' Willow: The monkey is French? Oz: All monkeys are French. You didn't know that? __________________________________________________________ Outgrown your current e-mail service? Get a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and No Taglines with LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 17:41:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16177 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:41:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CLhCL16666; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:43:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CLhBn26863; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02bw.bigpond.com (mta02bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CLe6n25176 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.69]) by mta02bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta02bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0R2UM00.DV6 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:39:58 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.84 ([203.54.114.84]) by bwmam01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 2/2171844); 13 Aug 2002 07:39:53 Message-ID: <3D591B94.E1FAF3F1@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Long gloves References: <3D56D6DA.C088AD63@bigpond.com> <00a301c2410d$39acc740$03764ed5@pavilion> <3D57CC80.56C6DDAF@bigpond.com> <00b601c24183$68889d20$03664ed5@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:45:40 -0700 Status: RO Melanie Wilson wrote: > >I have the opposite problem - small hands with very long fingers. On most > of the > > gloves that fit my hand the fingers stop not much past my first knuckle. > > Yes I have long fingers too :( What size are you ? > No idea, but my palm is about 7cm wide, and my handspan (eg from little finger tip to end of thumbnail when hand is spread wide) is 20cm. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 18:05:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16345 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:05:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CM7FL18973; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CM7Dn10642; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:07:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CM2Mn08009 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:02:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14745 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:04:12 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] More Italian references Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:04:12 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO I don't speak Italian, but the person who sent me these does, so they must have something to do with clothing! Marcello Berti, Lana, panni e strumenti contabili nella Toscana basomedievale e della prima eta moderna (Lucca: Istituo storico lucchese, 2000). Sergio Tognetti, Un'industria di lusso al servizio del grande commercio: il mercato dei drappi serici e della setta nella Firenze del Quattrocento (Firenze: Olschki, 2002). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 00:45:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22079 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:45:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D4lEL22657; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:47:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D4l2n10239; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D4aEn07674 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:36:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m69.in-tch.com [216.166.191.69]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7D4M0929031 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:42:08 -0600 Status: RO Thought y'all would enjoy reading this...I got quite a laugh out of it myself! --Sue >From a 1949 Singer sewing manual: "Prepare yourself mentally for sewing. Think about what you are going to do...never approach sewing with a sigh or lackadaisically. Good results are difficult when indifference predominates. Never try to sew with a sink full of dirty dishes or beds unmade. When there are urgent housekeeping chores, do these first so your mind is free to enjoy your sewing....When you sew, make yourself as attractive as possible. Put on a clean dress. Keep a little bag full of French chalk near your sewing machine to dust your fingers at intervals. Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick put on.... [If] you are constantly fearful that a visitor will drop in or your husband will come home and you will not look neatly put together, you will not enjoy your sewing as you should." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 01:12:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22180 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:12:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D5E3L24026; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5E2n17781; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5AGn16579 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:10:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p1-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.212.1] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17eTwc-0005C1-00; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:10:14 +1200 Message-ID: <001101c24287$b3afdb60$01d4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:10:10 +1200 Status: RO Yeah.. put on on a ball gown girls for your hubbies... never think that maybe a bloke would be sewing eh;) It's almost as charming as the little illustration in my Husky manual... all green and black print with big skirts... permission to copy it to my costuming journal? I know osme people will get a kick out of it;) michaela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) > Thought y'all would enjoy reading this...I got quite a laugh out of it > myself! > --Sue > > >From a 1949 Singer sewing manual: > "Prepare yourself mentally for sewing. Think about what you are going > to > do...never approach sewing with a sigh or lackadaisically. Good > results are > difficult when indifference predominates. Never try to sew with a > sink full > of dirty dishes or beds unmade. When there are urgent housekeeping > chores, > do these first so your mind is free to enjoy your sewing....When you > sew, > make yourself as attractive as possible. Put on a clean dress. Keep a > little > bag full of French chalk near your sewing machine to dust your > fingers at > intervals. Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick put on.... > [If] you > are constantly fearful that a visitor will drop in or your husband > will come > home and you will not look neatly put together, you will not enjoy > your > sewing as you should." > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 01:12:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22185 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:12:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D5EQL24061; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5EPn17914; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5D6n17497 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:13:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17386 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:15:03 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-Reply-To: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:15:03 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Put on a clean dress ... Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick > put on.... Yeah, right. I usually sew in my underwear (or chemise) so I can try on as needed. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 01:25:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22239 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:25:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D5R2L24587; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5R1n21690; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5Fgn18305 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A5C52F03E0; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:14:45 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:14:45 -0500 Status: RO BWAH-HAH-HAA....!!! -When you sew, make yourself as attractive as possible. Put on a clean dress. Keep a little bag full of French chalk near your sewing machine to dust your fingers at intervals. Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick put on.... [If] you are constantly fearful that a visitor will drop in or your husband will come home and you will not look neatly put together, you will not enjoy your sewing as you should." VISITORS BETTER CALL AHEAD- i TEND TO TRY THINGS ON WHILE THEY ARE IN PROGRESS... SO is used to it... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 01:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22325 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:38:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D5e7L25212; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5e6n25421; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5Uun22786 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:30:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.251]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020813053050.VRSI22139.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:30:50 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020813003450.02d63c00@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020428222237.00c3a3c0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] flocked textiles Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:35:31 -0500 Status: RO Greetings, Does anyone know when flocked textiles were first used? Anyone have a ball-park date for them? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 01:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22332 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:38:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D5eQL25237; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5ePn25535; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5Zkn24032 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:35:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.102]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0R00JOTOVL9S@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-reply-to: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020812223434.00e3beb0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:35:33 -0700 Status: RO That's right up there with mopping your kitchen floor while wearing high heels and stockings - same period too. >Thought y'all would enjoy reading this...I got quite a laugh out of it >myself! >--Sue > > >From a 1949 Singer sewing manual: >"Prepare yourself mentally for sewing. Think about what you are going >to >do...never approach sewing with a sigh or lackadaisically. Good >results are >difficult when indifference predominates. Never try to sew with a >sink full >of dirty dishes or beds unmade. When there are urgent housekeeping >chores, >do these first so your mind is free to enjoy your sewing....When you >sew, >make yourself as attractive as possible. Put on a clean dress. Keep a >little >bag full of French chalk near your sewing machine to dust your >fingers at >intervals. Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick put on.... >[If] you >are constantly fearful that a visitor will drop in or your husband >will come >home and you will not look neatly put together, you will not enjoy >your >sewing as you should." >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 02:15:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28972 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:15:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D6H2L26602; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D6H0n04375; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D69On02781 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-97-89.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.97.89]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJL27528; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:10:17 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <009501c24290$58c933a0$59614ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3D56D6DA.C088AD63@bigpond.com> <00a301c2410d$39acc740$03764ed5@pavilion> <3D57CC80.56C6DDAF@bigpond.com> <00b601c24183$68889d20$03664ed5@pavilion> <3D591B94.E1FAF3F1@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Long gloves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:12:04 +0100 Status: RO To know you size measure around the knuckles of the hand in inches Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 04:11:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15817 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:11:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D8D3L00686; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D8D0n00245; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7D8Bin29822 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020813081143.58199.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:11:43 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:11:43 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > Put on a clean dress ... Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick > > put on.... > > Yeah, right. I usually sew in my underwear (or chemise) so I can try on as > needed. > > --Robin Oooohhhh Robin, you shouldn't have said that, the mental image I have now! *grins* Demmit, I knew I was doing something wrong, that's why i don't like the actual sewing, I forgot to put my make-up on beforehand! ;-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 04:23:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16117 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:23:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D8P5L01056; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D8P2n03112; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40013.mail.yahoo.com (web40013.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.53]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7D8Ffn00887 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020813081535.30837.qmail@web40013.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40013.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:15:35 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020812131827.87180.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:15:35 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > > I still don't understand it dear. Why would the GROUP have to stump up any > cash. I always thought that a costume is made/or bought by an individual, and > it is their possession and if they want to make one they do, if they don't wnat > to have one they don't. If none of you want to have one then you can't do the > high society show because none of the members ave it. Simple? Logical? Do... > maybe I am just naive. *laughs* I always thought re-enactment/living history is > a HOBBY that is verrrry expensive and knacketring most of the time but oh so > rewarding and wonderful when standing there and looking at 2000 other > re-emactors from all periods and rooting for each other. *dreamy sigh* It was > wonderful (but the organisation and the mud was horror) For the most part the costumes are bought, made, owned by the individual that wears them. However our group also has a stock pile of costumes that can be used my anyone. These are usually for new members who haven't got their complete kit ready yet. Becuase the posh stuff isn't used for anymore than one or two events at the most a year, they are subsidised by the group. That being said, the lucky person who gets to wear it usually also spends a small fortune on the accessories. Re-enactment/living history is a very expensive hobby. I've only been seriously doing it for a year and have spent nearly £1000 just getting an ordinary kit together. I'm still planning a supplies shopping trip for the fair in november. > Is there any other way??? Not that I know of, and would we do it even if there was - probably not! > > The hardest is the living history for school children where you have a group > > of 15 or so and you > > have to talk to them for 20 minutes. > > yep, oh I can believe that, but we don't do that because I refeuse to book such > shows. Can't be bothered, I hav a ful time job!! We all want to ENJOY > ourselves, and not actually WORK! It's a hobby.... public at an event is one > thing, but talks for children? nah.... ;-) Kudos to those who do it! > *applauses* There is some enjoyment to be gained out of it though. Just one interested group in the day can make it all seem worth while. To be honest its not the kids that are a problem, its the teachers. And you do get less of the silly questions. We have had one member of the public come up to a member and ask is her baby was real! Not to mention the food, we get asked if that is real all the time, usually when we are eating it! I'm sure you get the same though. > It is interesting to see > that some people see the re-enactment more like work and get money from it, I > met some other small groups like that. I guess it is just a different way of > life. *S* (and I can't stand kids, hehehe) I wish we got money from it. I do it becuase I love it, no other reason. I'm not in it for the money. If I want to make money there are alot more things that I can do! Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 04:48:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16776 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:48:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D8o2L01745; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D8o0n08686; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7D8e5n06637 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020813084005.35681.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:40:05 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020813081535.30837.qmail@web40013.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re-enactment, was Re: 'perfect elizabethan' Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:40:05 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > > anymore than one or two events at the most a year, they are subsidised by the > group. That being > said, the lucky person who gets to wear it usually also spends a small > fortune on the accessories. Ahhh, I see, that's interesting. We have a policy that everyone owns their own stuff though, because I found that often when something is not owned by an individual things are not looked after as well as they should. To prevent this happening (and me going mad trying to get some discipline) we don't have anything group owned. > Re-enactment/living history is a very expensive hobby. I've only been > seriously doing it for a > year and have spent nearly £1000 just getting an ordinary kit together. I'm > still planning a > supplies shopping trip for the fair in november. *laughs* I could buy a brand new car with what I spent on everything in the last three years. hehehe. I NEVER think about it because I'd go bonkers if I did. > There is some enjoyment to be gained out of it though. Just one interested > group in the day can > make it all seem worth while. Well, I only put up with public coz we have to *L* kidding. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 05:13:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17480 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:13:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D9FDL02367; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:15:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D9FAn21370; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:15:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7D9Ahn13637 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 32545 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 09:34:42 -0000 Received: from 66-81-56-118-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.56.118) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 09:34:42 -0000 Message-ID: <3D58CAA8.2A1EEB5F@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:00:24 -0700 Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote: > > Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick put on.... I don't care how much it will help my sewing, I am not doing it! Lipstick gets in my mustache! Stephen Bergdahl www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm Co-Chair Costume-Con 24 Bid www.2xtreme.net/madly/Costuming101/Costume-Con24/Frames.html Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 05:49:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA18507 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:49:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D9p2L03471; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D9p1n21514; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D9fjn19202 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A50A296029E; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:44:42 -0500 Message-ID: <036101c242ad$385d28c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Something to Watch Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:38:45 -0400 Status: RO Two weeks ago we went to Salem, Virginia to a competition for Drum Corps International (DCI). If you have never seen this it is a feast for costumers. Each Corp (they don't liked to be called a marching band) choose a theme, generally a time period and perform a show on a football field to music. Each Corp has to do this within a certain amount of minutes. The flag Corp of the group is generally the ones in costume. The corps travel all over the U.S. all summer long competing. Each Corp has about 100 members from ages 16?-21 y.o. We only saw one day of many competitions. We saw five of the top corps perform. Last week, all 60 corps meet in Madison, Wisconsin for the final competition . The final competition will air sometime within the month on PBS. So check your station as to when it airs. I had to email my station and found out the show air in Richmond, VA, Sept. 1. Remember the airing time will vary by your location. Now... I want to tell you about the Corp that won the competition in Salem, VA. They had a 1940s/WW2 time. IT WAS DYNAMIC!!! The girls' swing dresses were all different and perfect for the period. The guys costume were to die for! Then when the men were to go in the military in the performance, they stripped down to period *skivvies* and then dressed in uniforms. The bands name is the Cadets. Watch for them. They had the crowd hopping and clapping ... then their finale had you in tears. This group finished 1st place in Salem and for the one on TV, 3rd place. So they will be on of the last groups you will see on TV. Another Corp we saw was the Madison Scouts. This is the oldest drum & bugle Corp in the U.S. and originated from the Boy Scouts of America. Their band uniforms were so sharp and crisp. Their time was Conquestor. They used nice Spanish armor and helmets. The last performance we saw worth mentioning is a Corp that did a show about Greek Gods & Myths. The costumes were so-so. What amazed me was instead of twirling rifles like most corps, they twirled lighting bolt props. They also used the Greek column props as a great place to quick change their costumes. I can't wait to see what the other corps' costumes are like! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 05:49:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA18526 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:49:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D9pnL03502; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D9pln21727; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:51:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D9gYn19421 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:42:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A53B299029E; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:45:31 -0500 Message-ID: <036601c242ad$55f525e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> <3D58CAA8.2A1EEB5F@2xtreme.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:39:35 -0400 Status: RO Oh....... Stephen....... the baby must be up late!!!!!!!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 06:10:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19129 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:10:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DACML04020; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:12:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DACJn26251; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:12:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DA1rn23856 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:01:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9636 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 10:25:52 -0000 Received: from 66-81-56-118-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.56.118) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 10:25:52 -0000 Message-ID: <3D58D6A8.EE7E8444@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> <3D58CAA8.2A1EEB5F@2xtreme.net> <036601c242ad$55f525e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:51:36 -0700 Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Oh....... Stephen....... the baby must be up late!!!!!!!!! > No the baby is sound a sleep, but daddy is up late. What are you doing up at this hour? -- Stephen Bergdahl www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm Co-Chair Costume-Con 24 Bid www.2xtreme.net/madly/Costuming101/Costume-Con24/Frames.html Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 06:14:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19240 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:14:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DAGXL04175; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:16:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DAGWn27300; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:16:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net (shockwave.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DA1pn23850 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bella (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9502916000FD9 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:58:53 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <001101c242b0$0d9f0d80$0101a8c0@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:59:02 +0100 Status: RO > From a 1949 Singer sewing manual: > . . .When there are urgent housekeeping chores, do these first . . . > . . . constantly fearful that a visitor will drop in or your husband will come home . . . > . . . you will not enjoy your sewing as you should. Anyone would think it was some sort of Forbidden Pleasure ! Linda Walton, (High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 06:39:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19890 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:39:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DAf3L04842; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DAf1n02438; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DAYon01232 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:34:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A17B563026A; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:37:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c242b4$96582220$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> <3D58CAA8.2A1EEB5F@2xtreme.net> <036601c242ad$55f525e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3D58D6A8.EE7E8444@2xtreme.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:31:28 -0400 Status: RO I am heading to bed! I am a vampire... I sleep by day! As a member of little Raymond's fanclub.... His Daddy needs his sleep! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 07:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20919 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:15:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DBH3L06102; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DBH1n11483; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DBFun11207 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:15:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020813111556.2281.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:15:56 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:15:56 +0100 (BST) Status: RO May I proudly present, the promised photos: http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/Temp/Kirby/h-cost.htm Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 07:39:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21590 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:39:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DBfLL06834; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DBfIn17163; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:41:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DBVkn14817 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:31:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D221B20A82 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 872C920A5C for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008501c242ba$26f11800$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:11:17 -0400 Status: RO I can't remember the last time I wore powder or lipstick. When they come up with a lipstick that doesn't dry out my lips, I might consider. Mascara, now that's another story. LOVE mascara. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) > > On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > Put on a clean dress ... Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick > > put on.... > > Yeah, right. I usually sew in my underwear (or chemise) so I can try on as > needed. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 08:15:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22662 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:15:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DCH3L08157; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DCH0n26235; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DC5cn23403 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AE220ABE for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 883DF20ABD for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012001c242be$e21e2100$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020813111556.2281.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:45:09 -0400 Status: RO Wonderful! Thank you Nicole! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 7:15 AM Subject: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! > May I proudly present, the promised photos: > > http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/Temp/Kirby/h-cost.htm > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 09:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28243 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:18:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DDK4L10937; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:20:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDK1n13438; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DD9Qn10472 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:09:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.73.240b6c0c (4246) for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:09:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <73.240b6c0c.2a8a5efc@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_73.240b6c0c.2a8a5efc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:09:16 EDT Status: RO --part1_73.240b6c0c.2a8a5efc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2002 12:48:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: > Put on a clean dress I used to do this, even though I'm a man, but now I just sew nude. --part1_73.240b6c0c.2a8a5efc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2002 12:48:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes:


Put on a clean dress


I used to do this, even though I'm a man, but now I just sew nude.
--part1_73.240b6c0c.2a8a5efc_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 09:18:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28259 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:18:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DDKWL10975; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:20:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDKUn13602; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:20:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:eP7R89jHyr8VJ6nRBJeJ2NvRiOfgN5h9@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDJIn13234 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.249.181.84] (pool181-84.patriot.net [209.249.181.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7DDJFNa009353 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:19:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020812223434.00e3beb0@mail.frys.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20020812223434.00e3beb0@mail.frys.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:19:47 -0400 Status: RO Kayta wrote, >That's right up there with mopping your kitchen floor while wearing >high heels and stockings - same period too. Sounds like a fetish activity. :-) Platform shoes would keep you up out of the water. I wear clogs (the wood & leather ones from the 1970s) for mopping. There's a great photo of a woman at a sewing machine, topless and wearing a crinoline or tutu or something like that. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 09:31:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28632 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:31:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DDX4L11611; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:33:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDX1n17378; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDNgn14569 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:23:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL8YOV7P34004TKK@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:21:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL91G6B7SE005RE3@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:29:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:24:29 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:23:44 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:23:34 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <200208081705.g78H5AK28644@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <465167C3EBF@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:23:34 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO "Sarah Lorraine" said: > people always are quick to insist that I should do this for a > living... Let me just say to anyone out there reading this who makes > costumes for a living that I have nothing but admiration for you. :) Same here. I get people telling me I sould sew/make costumes for a living all the time and I know I never could (appart from the issue of better costumers than I not being able to make ends meet on what they earn making costumes, there's the fact that I'd simply stop enjoying it if I *had* to do it! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 09:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28985 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:43:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DDjAL12280; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:45:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDj8n21392; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:45:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDWLn17180 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:32:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL93GBZSN4001J89@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:31:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL91B95YLG005RE3@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:25:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:20:31 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:19:36 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:19:32 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I bought at the Royal Opera costume sale!! In-reply-to: <200208081705.g78H5AK28644@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <46504E172BB@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:19:32 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Drea Leed wrote: > Teddy, > > I hate you. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 09:56:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29333 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:56:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DDwNL13126; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDwLn25859; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:58:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDqsn23991 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:52:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m23.in-tch.com [216.166.191.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7DDcd902968 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D591073.71A52ECF@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> <3D58CAA8.2A1EEB5F@2xtreme.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:58:11 -0600 Status: RO Fine, *make* me spit cereal all over the monitor screen this morning! --Sue, ROTFLMAO.... Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > > Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > > > Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick put on.... > > I don't care how much it will help my sewing, I am not doing it! > Lipstick gets in my mustache! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 09:56:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29332 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:56:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DDw6L13081; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDw2n25717; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DDqXn23837 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:52:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCqftSrgCaX8psmfZUIpzjxikt/z+WkWFVQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G94L8J99; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:51:59 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! Message-ID: <20020813.085144.-871145.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:51:44 -0500 Status: RO Yippeee! Hello everyone! It's so nice to put faces to names. Teddy, you look smashing in your new surcoat! Karen ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 09:56:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29334 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:56:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DDwFL13099; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDwEn25798; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DDqXn23838 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:52:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCqftSrgCaX8psmfZUIpzjxikt/z+WkWFVQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G94L8J99; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:51:59 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! Message-ID: <20020813.085144.-871145.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:51:44 -0500 Status: RO Yippeee! Hello everyone! It's so nice to put faces to names. Teddy, you look smashing in your new surcoat! Karen ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 10:17:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29981 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:17:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DEJiL14758; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:19:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DEJgn04565; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:19:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DE8xn00143 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:08:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m23.in-tch.com [216.166.191.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7DDsj908262 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:54:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D59145D.6E06028@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> <001101c24287$b3afdb60$01d4adcb@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:14:53 -0600 Status: RO I don't *personally* have a problem with it, but I'm not the original poster...it came from someone on the GermanRen list, and they were just quoting the manual. Dunno who'd actually own the copyright, if anyone? I'll ask the other list.... --Sue, who's having this interesting morning imagining people in various states of undress/non-dress, but all in high heels and lipstick (Stephan's mustache notwithstanding ), all sitting down to sew....I somehow keep expecting that Teddy would try to make a costume out of it....;-P michaela wrote: > > Yeah.. put on on a ball gown girls for your hubbies... never think that > maybe a bloke would be sewing eh;) > > It's almost as charming as the little illustration in my Husky manual... all > green and black print with big skirts... > permission to copy it to my costuming journal? I know osme people will get a > kick out of it;) > > michaela > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:42 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) > > > Thought y'all would enjoy reading this...I got quite a laugh out of it > > myself! > > --Sue > > > > >From a 1949 Singer sewing manual: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 10:49:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30949 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:49:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DEp3L17372; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DEp2n18950; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DEetn14311 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:40:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m23.in-tch.com [216.166.191.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7DEQf920112 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:26:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D591BD9.FE1D415F@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! References: <20020813111556.2281.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:46:49 -0600 Status: RO Oh, those are wonderful! It's so great to put faces to names! I love Tom's hat, and Teddy's outfit, and Nicole, those *definitely* look like boots that would be much better for wearing in the wet than your lovely silk outfit! And it does look wet there, or is that just because it's so much greener than where I live? So, Teddy....do you like orange or something? Where ever did you actually manage to find orange shoes??? Thanks for sharing, Sue ;-) N Kipar wrote: > > May I proudly present, the promised photos: > > http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/Temp/Kirby/h-cost.htm > > Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 10:57:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31211 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:57:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DExnL18196; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:59:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DExjn23160; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:59:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DEkwn17030 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:46:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m23.in-tch.com [216.166.191.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7DEWj922885 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D591D45.101DA151@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Pattern give-away results Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:52:53 -0600 Status: RO Hi, gang. I drew names out of my magic hat last night , and have the winners for the 3 Folkwear patterns I'm giving away. Would the following people please contact me privately to make mailing arrangements: Freyalyn Katie Lewis Carolyn Burrows Thanks, and I now return you to your regularly-scheduled Tuesdays. --Sue, in pleasant, sunny Montana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 11:01:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31343 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:01:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DF3wL18599; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:03:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DF3vn25381; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:03:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DElqn17544 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:47:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL95SUH8YO0054HY@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:45:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL95QTMBSE002LZU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:32:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:27:35 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:27:23 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:27:16 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats In-reply-to: <200208090125.g791PEa08733@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <467263126E8@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:27:16 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > No, I do it this way too, and I'm a mathematician! On the other > hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can never seem > to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull the > skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have a > foolproof method for this one? Yep, don't use gathering threads - just pin either end, and then middle (between those first two pins) and keep pining the middle between the pins until you get the entire thing pinned to the waist in equal "pleats" which you can then sew down, taking each pin out as you go. It's avariation of the way Danielle does it (she showed me this one when she was visiting in January) and it makes the whole thing so much quicker and easier.... and no maths involved, which is always a Good Thing! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 11:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31350 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:02:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DF4AL18634; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:04:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DF48n25488; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:04:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DEnin18371 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:49:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g7DEnRmi057171 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:49:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208131449.g7DEnRmi057171@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Dianne and Greg Stucki" at Aug 13, 2002 07:11:17 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO off topic -- but you should try burts bees lipstick. it's essentially balm (my favorite one, too!) with pigment added. i adore all their products. and, i uh, use them while sewing, so this is on topic! yeah! http://www.burtsbees.com/cgi-bin/burtsbees.storefront .heather. > > I can't remember the last time I wore powder or lipstick. When they come up > with a lipstick that doesn't dry out my lips, I might consider. > Mascara, now that's another story. LOVE mascara. > > Dianne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Netherton" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:15 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) > > > > > > On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > > > Put on a clean dress ... Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick > > > put on.... > > > > Yeah, right. I usually sew in my underwear (or chemise) so I can try on as > > needed. > > > > --Robin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 11:03:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31378 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:03:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DF54L18723; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DF51n25931; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DEpun19395 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:51:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL96AI1EYO001J89@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:51:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL969C85HC005VZ5@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:46:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:41:44 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:41:36 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:41:28 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Square Pegs (WAS: clothes in 50 states) In-reply-to: <200208090508.g7958Ra12534@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <46762D42052@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:41:28 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > I saw an episode of "Square Pegs" late the other night. I *loved* Square Pegs! They didn't show much of it over here, however. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 11:03:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31397 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:03:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DF5QL18789; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:05:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DF5Nn26171; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:05:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from caerthe.org (ms2.webminders.com [216.198.234.194] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DEs4n20450 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200208131056.AA58851640@caerthe.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Melanie Unruh-Bays" To: X-Mailer: Subject: [h-cost] Applique questions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:56:39 -0400 Status: RO Hi, all! I'm working on a Renaissance garment which requires the use of applique'. I've done a short web search for Renaissance applique techniques, and so far I've had limited success. Can anyone provide me with some documentable method of applique' - and either a written or visual source? I've read about couching the edges, using a stem stitch for the edges, and using a blind stitch such as is done in modern quilting. Are any of these appropriate? I've got a deadline of three weeks, so I'd prefer applique' over regular embroidery. :-) Thanks! Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 11:15:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31738 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:15:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DFHrL19894; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:17:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFHpn02737; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:17:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DF3Vn25150 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:03:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL96UG1HMO004ZL0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:03:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL96UCSNDG002LZU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:03:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:58:41 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:58:29 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:58:23 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats In-reply-to: <200208090510.g795Aqa13796@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <467AAE15A8A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:58:23 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO OK, my digests are obviously in the worng order.... no wonder i've been reading replies to messages I haven't seen yet!! > With a fabric marker, chalk, or pins, mark the ends of the pleated > section on the waistband (end to end, usually, or one end to the point > of overlap if you've got an overlapping bit). Fold in half so your > marks meet, and mark the center. Fold each half in half, then mark the > centers again. Continue till your marks are as far apart as you want > your pleats. > > Do the same on the edge of skirt fabric that will be going into the > waistband, but make the same number of folds and marks as you did on > the waistband. > > Place right sides together and pin the ends exactly on the marks. Then > match each mark on the waistband with the corresponding mark on the > skirt. > > Distribute the skirt fabric in each section by aligning the skirt > fabric along the waistband till you hit the next pin, pinning to make > a fold of the excess, then pulling the excess back over the part you > just aligned. There are a handful of different ways you can do this; > for instance, make twice as many marks as you intended and alternate > the directions (for box pleats). I do pretty much the same except that I don't mark the fabric - I just pin the ends, then the middle, then the middle between each (in the same way I do cartridge pleats, but with the extra step that I then lay the pleats flat in whatever direction(s) I want the pleats to finish up and sew through the lot, removing the pins as I go or (more often and at the cost of the occasional machine needle and bent pin) after it's sewn... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 11:30:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32173 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:30:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DFVwL21268; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFVpn10229; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFHcn02604 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:17:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL97BTNBQ8005LPJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:17:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL97BPZPC8005ZGN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:17:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:12:41 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:12:09 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:12:04 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <200208090838.g798c7a06792@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <467E52410C4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:12:04 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > OK, I'm in! But who gets to wear it? ;-) Me!!!!!!!!!!!! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 11:31:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32212 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:31:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DFX2L21380; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFX1n10839; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFKPn03999 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:20:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL97FG88WG0054HY@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:20:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL97FFD9RW005ZGN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:20:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:15:40 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:14:48 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:14:45 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who get s to wear it (WAS: What's your favourite ...) In-reply-to: <200208090838.g798c7a06792@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <467F07E3F9E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:14:45 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > OK, I'm in! But who gets to wear it? ;-) > > --Robin > > > Why, Penny of course! ( I'm in for the beadwork portion!) OK, Penny it is then. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 11:31:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32216 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:31:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DFXEL21431; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:33:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFXBn10943; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFOgn06420 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:24:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL97KQGM400050FR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:24:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL97KC7Y3S005ZGN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:24:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:19:56 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:19:45 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:19:43 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials (WAS: What's your favourite...) In-reply-to: <200208091423.g79EN9a08807@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <468059C211B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:19:43 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > ;-) And who's going to supply the materials? > > I believe Teddy has some excess stash ;-) Robin!!! Waaaaaah! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 11:31:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32232 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:31:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DFXUL21470; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:33:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFXSn11118; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:33:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFWnn10726 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:32:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL97URRIQ80050FR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:32:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL97UR43S0005ZGN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:32:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:28:02 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:27:50 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:27:46 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials (WAS: What's your favourite....) In-reply-to: <200208092122.g79LM9a20468@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <468281E7721@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:27:46 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Oh, Teeeddyyyyy..... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 11:57:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00512 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:57:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DFx6L24199; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:59:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFx4n25809; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFljn19225 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:47:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL98EA24DS00694O@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:47:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL98E7RY2G005H6S@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:47:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:42:57 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:42:54 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:42:46 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials(WAS: What's your favourite....) In-reply-to: <200208121812.g7CICIn27003@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <46868624A0D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:42:46 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > I believe Teddy has some excess stash ;-) > > > > --Robin > > And, as I heard on Saturday, apparently still some of the yellow > curtain mountain left over. *G* > > Nicole Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 11:57:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00529 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:57:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DFxWL24250; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:59:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFxUn26052; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFrdn22749 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:53:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL98LMY04W0050FR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:53:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL98LMOWDG005ZK7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:53:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:48:54 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:48:18 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:48:10 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party In-reply-to: <200208121812.g7CICIn27003@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4687F6B5D9B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:48:10 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Well, well, I can only say that Jean, Teddy and Tom are LOVELY! > Oh, and I did manage to meet Kate too, albeit briefly, in the > courtyard during the day. Kate, I would love to get a copy of the > photos of you and me if possible. I'm sorry that I didn't manage to > meet Debbie or Freyalyn. I ment them (well Freyalyn found me sitting outside the tent in my underwear, busily trying to thread the - now of dubious accuracy - lucet cord points through the eyelet holes in my hose). I found Debbie's stall at the traders area and , several return visits later, she was actually there when I stopped by.... > Oh yes, and the promised pictures are right now downloading off > the disks... *G* Yay! > Nicole - enchanted with the fact that the h-cost members I met are > even nicer in reality as they already are online! I'll second that. It's always great to actually talk in person with people I've been in e-contact with in the list Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 11:57:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00540 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:57:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DFxkL24296; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:59:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFxjn26201; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:59:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFvdn25030 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:57:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL98QL8Y740050FR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:57:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL98QJG678005H6S@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:57:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:52:52 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:52:21 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:52:21 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. In-reply-to: <200208121812.g7CICIn27003@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <46890AF3F3A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:52:20 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > hehehhe, down with EH I shout! The individual employees were so > helpful and lovely and just as much victims of the non-existent > organisation as we were. How did you get of, as stuck in the mud > as we were? We had no problems - Tom was sneaky and strove around the outside of the field (rather than through the middle where the mud was at it's worst) and got us within feet of the gat e before we had to venture onto the mud - he had a good turn of speed and coasted over the mud to the solid roadsurface (And we must have had some luck on our side as the car was groaning under the load we'd packed into it) We got to bed at 1am Monday morning and up to get ready for work at 6 am! > it was HORROR! If the re-enactors didn't tow away each other no one > would have gone off. EH didn' do a thing during the day for the > re-enactors camping and parking, wha a nightmare it was indeed. At the gate by us there were tractors towing people in and out. > Anyway, otherwise Kirby was LOVELY! So many wonderful people, it > was great, and I have loads of piccies of the grand paade from > Sunday *G* Yay!!!! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 12:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00889 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:10:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DGC4L25536; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:12:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DGC2n03468; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DFxln26240 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL98T3JQ8W0054HY@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:59:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL98T11R9Q005ZK7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:59:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:54:52 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:54:32 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:54:23 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-reply-to: <20020813095100.21510.12724.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4689A096B3C@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:54:23 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >From a 1949 Singer sewing manual: > "Prepare yourself mentally for sewing. Think about what you are going > to do...never approach sewing with a sigh or lackadaisically. Good > results are difficult when indifference predominates. Never try to sew > with a sink full of dirty dishes or beds unmade. When there are urgent > housekeeping chores, do these first so your mind is free to enjoy your > sewing....When you sew, make yourself as attractive as possible. Put > on a clean dress. Keep a little bag full of French chalk near your > sewing machine to dust your fingers at intervals. Have your hair in > order, powder and lipstick put on.... [If] you are constantly fearful > that a visitor will drop in or your husband will come home and you > will not look neatly put together, you will not enjoy your sewing as > you should." Well, I could give it a try.... but somehow I'm unconvinced! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 12:10:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00893 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:10:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DGCXL25585; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:12:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DGCVn03783; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DG6Sn00116 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:06:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Tue Aug 13 11:06:23 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:06:23 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7DG6Sn00116 Subject: [h-cost] Kirby Photos Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:06:12 -0500 Status: RO Thanks Nicole, that was fast :). and I recognized Teddy even in the thumbnails, he was orange :)! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 12:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01013 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:18:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DGKkL26342; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:20:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DGKin08777; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:20:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DG5fn29605 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:05:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL990HGLW00054HY@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:05:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL990GLLT20060N2@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:05:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:00:53 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:00:42 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:00:37 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! In-reply-to: <20020813150501.25925.33129.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <468B45016F8@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:00:37 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hmmm... I could have done with some powder to cure the "shine" on my face.... Perhaps I need it for re-enactments as well as for enjoument of my sewing. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 12:23:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01188 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:23:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DGP0L26758; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DGOwn11258; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:24:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DG9jn02102 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:09:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL995I9VO0005WMN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:09:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL995EOV6S005ZK7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:09:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:04:51 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:04:01 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:03:57 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! In-reply-to: <20020813150501.25925.33129.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <468C27C6257@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:03:57 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > So, Teddy....do you like orange or something? Yep! but bright yellow and green are my favourites. > Where ever did you actually manage to find orange shoes??? Glastonbury. There's a shoemaker who does my favourite style and I have them form him in yellow, green, black, orange and purple. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 12:24:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01247 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:24:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DGQ3L26854; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:26:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DGQ1n11922; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.boston.juno.com (m28.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DGCin03906 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:12:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWgF5MeeIlzqS2WGMfWtLOleIOveOA/AqnQ=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G94U9ETA; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:12:16 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! Message-ID: <20020813.121121.-73297.9.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:10:58 -0400 Status: RO Great pictures. I didn't know Teddy had such beautiful blue eyes. Wow! Great surcote too. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 12:24:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01266 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:24:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DGQHL26885; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:26:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DGQCn12035; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:26:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.boston.juno.com (m28.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DGChn03905 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:12:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWgF5MeeIlzqS3iKPbDkO+W9CZiM4N6aeRg=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G94U9EST; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:12:16 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Message-ID: <20020813.121121.-73297.6.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,7-9 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:58:20 -0400 Status: RO <<>> Bare feet are even better. As for dressing up to sew, forget it. I want to enjoy my sewing and it is much more fun in jeans, T-shirt and no makeup. When I am sewing for myself, a light cotton duster works better so I can try on though. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 12:36:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02064 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:36:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DGcaL28039; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DGcYn19122; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fisher.vip.uk.com (fisher.vip.uk.com [194.176.218.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DGGvn06473 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:16:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-11-119-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.119.11] helo=default) by fisher.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #2) id 17eeLm-0005ax-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:16:55 +0100 Message-ID: <005a01c242e4$25ed98a0$0b773c3e@default> From: "tracey.bradshaw" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C242EC.860FE960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] medieval Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:11:54 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C242EC.860FE960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi all=20 does anyone on this list make medieval clothes (not to buy) for such as = re-enactment purposes tracey ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C242EC.860FE960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi all
 
does anyone on this list make medieval = clothes (not=20 to buy) for such as re-enactment purposes
 
tracey
------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C242EC.860FE960-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 12:49:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03034 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:49:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DGpIL29246; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DGpEn26307; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DGVen15119 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:31:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020813163140.69345.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:31:40 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <46890AF3F3A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:31:40 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > We got to bed at 1am Monday morning and up to get ready for work > at 6 am! same here! > At the gate by us there were tractors towing people in and out. Yes I know, unfortunately it was pretty much the other side where we parked... we had the van parked there so only a tractor would have gotten us out, fortunately ben managed to do something similar to what Tom did and then we got out the other gate and then had to wait two ours to get back to the living history site to pack! I got stuck in the mud sea on Saturday night... oh my it was hellish, we had to go back to the hotel and fortumately a landroiver came along those nice guys towed my car off in the middle of the night. My car looks cool now, like a ralley car! COMPLETELY covered in mud, it even went over the roof. Nicole - pondering a t-shirt 'I survived the mud in Kirby hall 2003' ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 12:50:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03128 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:50:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DGqAL29305; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:52:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DGq7n26819; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:52:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DGWgn15655 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:32:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020813163241.69490.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:32:41 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials(WAS: What's your favourite....) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <46868624A0D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:32:41 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > > > I believe Teddy has some excess stash ;-) > > > > > > --Robin > > > > And, as I heard on Saturday, apparently still some of the yellow > > curtain mountain left over. *G* > > > > Nicole > > NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! *hides amongst his fabric stashes* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 12:51:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03201 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:51:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DGrHL29431; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DGrEn27544; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DGh2n21635 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.129.15c5a422 (4196) for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:42:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Morses3@aol.com Message-ID: <129.15c5a422.2a8a9105@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_129.15c5a422.2a8a9105_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Subject: [h-cost] Looking for someone to make garb Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:42:45 EDT Status: RO --part1_129.15c5a422.2a8a9105_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, I am looking for someone who would be interested in making Norman type garb. I'm actually starting to getting ready to go to events and don't have the time or skills necessary to do it correctly and would rather pay someone who knows what they are doing. I can provide wool and linen fabric but probably need help with trim, etc. If interested, please e-mail me privately with your price and time availability, I think the first event I'm planning for is the end of September. Thanks, Gervase --part1_129.15c5a422.2a8a9105_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings,

I am looking for someone who would be interested in making Norman type garb. I'm actually starting to getting ready to go to events and don't have the time or skills necessary to do it correctly and would rather pay someone who knows what they are doing.

I can provide wool and linen fabric but probably need help with trim, etc.

If interested, please e-mail me privately with your price and time availability, I think the first event I'm planning for is the end of September.

Thanks,

Gervase
--part1_129.15c5a422.2a8a9105_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 13:04:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04386 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:04:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DH6cL00822; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:06:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DH6Zn05416; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:06:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf28bis.bellsouth.net (mail028.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.68]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DGsSn28245 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.25]) by imf28bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020813165419.JWYD27052.imf28bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:54:19 -0400 Message-ID: <014101c242e9$b327d320$19144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: <20020813163241.69490.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials(WAS: What's your favourite....) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:51:39 -0400 Status: RO If you hide behind the fabric, he can't get you! Apollonia > > NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! *hides amongst his fabric stashes* > > Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 13:05:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04425 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:05:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DH77L00897; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:07:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DH76n05712; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:07:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DGtRn28832 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OmbEQ/Pka/nrJmK2SPlegOQ="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G94XN9AF; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:54:47 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Message-ID: <20020813.095513.-104109.4.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:56:05 +0000 Status: RO Yeah, right! 8) LOL!!! Arlys P.S. Can someone tell me what constitutes "an urgent housekeep chore?" > > >From a 1949 Singer sewing manual: [snip] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 13:17:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05527 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:17:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DHJXL02104; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DHJWp13054; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DGtSn28836 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OmbEQ/Pka/nrb0pkWJtd2+s="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G94XN9AJ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:54:47 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Message-ID: <20020813.095514.-104109.6.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-6,8-11 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:25:28 +0000 Status: RO Another good product is Udderly Smooth, which is a non-greasy, non-staining cream used for (you guessed it!) cow teats. Found it at one of our local fabric stores. It's also a wonderful skin smoother and moisturizer, better than the vast number of products out there. I won't touch my silk work without it! Although you have to admit that there is something mildly hysterical about reading the directions: "Wash udder and teat parts thoroughly...." Arlys ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 13:18:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05569 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:18:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DHK2L02170; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DHK1p13351; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailjaya.creighton.edu (MailjayA.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DH8bn06593 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:08:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by mailjaya.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA10420 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:08:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001501c242ec$285a0b20$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <467263126E8@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:09:16 -0500 Status: RO Well, you can use the old ruler and dispearing marker + pins or taylor tacks bit for real people. And For dolls I have one pleater board that makes as small as 1/4" pleats and a brand new one I've yet to try that makes 11 pleats to the inch. With the new board I can make smaller pleats, and the pleats can be "regular" ones, sewn in as sunburst or as cartridge pleats. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 13:30:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06881 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:30:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DHWCL03430; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DHWBp20105; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:32:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DH9an07093 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:09:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17efAk-0005Bt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:09:34 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:09:34 -0400 Status: RO > Bare feet are even better. As for dressing up to sew, forget it. > I want to enjoy my sewing and it is much more fun in jeans, T-shirt and > no makeup. When I am sewing for myself, a light cotton duster works > better so I can try on though. Clothes? What clothes? It's rare that I'm ever more than half dressed when sewing. Admit it, you know you do it to... ;) Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 13:30:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06954 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:30:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DHWOL03455; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:32:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DHWMp20228; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:32:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DHAgn07731 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OuP2mtOApaH8urbbRM1v50Y="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G94YK3EC; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:10:31 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Message-ID: <20020813.101134.-104109.7.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-19 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:04:37 +0000 Status: RO "Duster"? Arlys On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:58:20 -0400 Lalah T Tillinghast writes: > Bare feet are even better. As for dressing up to sew, > forget it. > I want to enjoy my sewing and it is much more fun in jeans, T-shirt > and > no makeup. When I am sewing for myself, a light cotton duster works > better so I can try on though. > > Lalah > Never give up, Never surrender > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 13:45:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08511 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:45:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DHlOL04899; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DHlNp28815; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:47:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DHQcp17037 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:26:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21692 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:28:36 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials(WAS: What's your favourite....) In-Reply-To: <014101c242e9$b327d320$19144ed8@sgrochoski> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:28:36 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Apollonia Margherita wrote: > If you hide behind the fabric, he can't get you! And it's really soft and cozy and warm in here, too. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 13:49:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09136 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:49:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DHp7L05305; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:51:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DHp6p01124; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:51:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DHnjp00286 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:49:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p254.directcon.net [209.233.107.254]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g7DHnekO006316; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:49:41 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020813105457.011201d0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-Reply-To: <20020813.095513.-104109.4.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:54:57 -0700 Status: RO At 08:56 AM 08/13/2002 +0000, Cynthia J Ley wrote: >P.S. Can someone tell me what constitutes "an urgent housekeep chore?" > The Board of Health and Children's Services are on their way? Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 13:49:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09143 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:49:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DHp3L05287; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DHp3p01080; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DHfPp25470 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:41:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p254.directcon.net [209.233.107.254]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g7DHepkO004606; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:40:52 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020813104608.01116c90@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-Reply-To: <001101c24287$b3afdb60$01d4adcb@michaela> References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:46:08 -0700 Status: RO I showed it to my husband. He says: "You must work in constant fear." Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 14:14:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11771 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:14:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DIG8L07631; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:16:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIG7p15205; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DI3Np08233 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:03:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A68F10F196 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 40CD210F218 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <018501c242f0$d9551010$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <468C27C6257@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:42:45 -0400 Status: RO Teddy, you would LOVE the yellow brocade I got from velvetfabric.com. It isn't just yellow, it's screaming neon yellow. It gives me a headache just looking at it. Maybe I'll dye it orange! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! > > > So, Teddy....do you like orange or something? > > Yep! but bright yellow and green are my favourites. > > > Where ever did you actually manage to find orange shoes??? > > Glastonbury. There's a shoemaker who does my favourite style > and I have them form him in yellow, green, black, orange and > purple. > > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 14:14:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11775 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:14:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DIGPL07685; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:16:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIGOp15409; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DHrmp02626 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:53:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21926 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:55:48 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval In-Reply-To: <005a01c242e4$25ed98a0$0b773c3e@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:55:48 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, tracey.bradshaw wrote: > does anyone on this list make medieval clothes (not to buy) for such > as re-enactment purposes Um, (cough) yeah. Without actually counting posts, I'd guess that about one-fourth or more of the discussion on this very busy list is among people researching or making medieval clothing for their own purposes, including re-enactment and living history. Add the Renaissance and Elizabethan, and there's quite a bit more. Many, but not all, of these people are in the SCA, in case that rings a bell for you. New here? :-) Given that so many questions are common ones, you might benefit from reading over some of the archives. Go to http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 14:14:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11780 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:14:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DIGWL07701; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:16:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIGVp15530; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:16:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DHu9p04050 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:56:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA6A10F1FC for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C9FC110F196 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012701c242ef$d80469a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <468281E7721@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials (WAS: What's your favourite....) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:35:40 -0400 Status: RO You're not fooling me, Teddy. And you looked fabulous in your new surcoat. Although I do think you have the wickedest smile I ever saw, so perhaps we SHOULD call you Skippy! Dianne stash raider extraordinaire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials (WAS: What's your favourite....) > > > > Oh, Teeeddyyyyy..... > > studeo and pretends to be own evil-twin, Skippy, so can claim not > to know whereabouts of stash> > > > > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 14:15:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11842 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:15:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DIHdL07882; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:17:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIHcp16310; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:17:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DI3Tp08299 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA85211 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:03:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Applique questions In-Reply-To: <200208131056.AA58851640@caerthe.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've seen examples of blind-stitch and couching. Couching works quite well--it goes fast and you don't have to worry about hiding your stitches as much, and the edges look nice and clean. If you look at the the book "The Hardwick Hall Textiles", you'll see an example of absolutely mouthwatering couched applique (cloth of gold on velvet) on the cover of the book. A good closeup is at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0810963531/jumbo-reader/1/103-7345667-8491059 Drea On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Melanie Unruh-Bays wrote: > Hi, all! > > I'm working on a Renaissance garment which requires the use of applique'. I've done a short web search for Renaissance applique techniques, and so far I've had limited success. Can anyone provide me with some documentable method of applique' - and either a written or visual source? I've read about couching the edges, using a stem stitch for the edges, and using a blind stitch such as is done in modern quilting. Are any of these appropriate? > > I've got a deadline of three weeks, so I'd prefer applique' over regular embroidery. :-) > > Thanks! > > Melanie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 14:20:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12311 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DIM3L08282; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIM2p18777; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DI4fp08964 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip194.124-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.124.194]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7DI4bV08498 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:04:37 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Message-ID: <3D58E9F0.27091.8974152@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001101c242b0$0d9f0d80$0101a8c0@bella> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:13:52 -0700 Status: RO > > From a 1949 Singer sewing manual: > > . . .When there are urgent housekeeping chores, do these first . . > > . . . . constantly fearful that a visitor will drop in or your > > husband will > come home . . . > > . . . you will not enjoy your sewing as you should. > > Anyone would think it was some sort of Forbidden Pleasure ! You mean it isn't? Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 14:20:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12330 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:20:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DIM7L08298; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIM7p18835; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DI4jp09005 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:04:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip194.124-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.124.194]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7DI4fV08508 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:04:42 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Message-ID: <3D58E9F0.12903.89741F1@localhost> Priority: normal References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:13:52 -0700 Status: RO > On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > Put on a clean dress ... Have your hair in order, powder and > > lipstick put on.... > > Yeah, right. I usually sew in my underwear (or chemise) so I can try > on as needed. > > --Robin But of course! How else can you do it. When I was working on my reunion dress, I locked the doors to the sewing room (which not only kept out visitors but also pesky kittens who like to leap into your face without warning) since it had it's own built in underwear. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 14:20:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12340 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:20:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DIMAL08312; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:22:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIM9p18865; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:22:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DI6lp10067 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:06:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D86A10F1AC for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E40BF10EFA8 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01af01c242f1$5459ad70$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <005a01c242e4$25ed98a0$0b773c3e@default> Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AC_01C242CF.CD303FB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:46:18 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01C242CF.CD303FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tracey A lot of us do medieval clothing. What exactly do you need? Dianne ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tracey.bradshaw=20 To: h-costume@net.indra.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] medieval hi all=20 does anyone on this list make medieval clothes (not to buy) for such = as re-enactment purposes tracey ------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01C242CF.CD303FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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A lot of us do medieval clothing. What = exactly do=20 you need?
 
Dianne
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hi all
 
does anyone on this list make = medieval clothes=20 (not to buy) for such as re-enactment purposes
 
tracey
------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01C242CF.CD303FB0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 14:20:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12353 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:20:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DIMEL08326; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIMDp18907; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DI4lp09031 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:04:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip194.124-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.124.194]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7DI4hV08512 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats Message-ID: <3D58E9F0.3311.8974240@localhost> Priority: normal References: <200208090125.g791PEa08733@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: <467263126E8@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:13:52 -0700 Status: RO > > No, I do it this way too, and I'm a mathematician! On the other hand > > I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can never seem to > > work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull the skirt > > up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have a > > foolproof method for this one? > > Yep, don't use gathering threads - just pin either end, and then > middle (between those first two pins) and keep pining the middle > between the pins until you get the entire thing pinned to the waist in > equal "pleats" which you can then sew down, taking each pin out as you > go. Except that the gathering threads are there to stabilize it while the garment is being worn, not just for sewing it. This is especially important when the area which needs to stay neatly pleated is a long way from the area it is sewn to. It's one of the reasons why, for some garments, they sewed in rings on the inside with a tape running through the rings to hold the pleats in shape. (For an example see Milia Davenport's _Book of Costume_ where she shows the inside of military bases.) I don't like my gathering threads seen, so I use a method called "side draw" rather than the one often seen which can be called "center draw". There are advantages and disadvantages to each, but I still prefer side draw. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 14:31:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13853 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:31:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DIXgL09344; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:33:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIXfp25186; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:33:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DIJDp17361 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:19:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020813181913.62006.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:19:13 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020813105457.011201d0@pop.directcon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:19:13 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Margo Anderson wrote: > At 08:56 AM 08/13/2002 +0000, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > >P.S. Can someone tell me what constitutes "an urgent housekeep chore?" The shrill tone of the smoke alarm coz the umpteenth attempt at cooking turned yet again into charcoal. Nicole - household? what household! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 14:52:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15189 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:52:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DIs1L11272; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIs0p06137; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIeIp28848 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:40:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C191210F118 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F68E10F0EA for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <025501c242f6$005629b0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020813181913.62006.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:19:34 -0400 Status: RO The smoke alarm is heard at our house frequently--not because of charred cooking ( I can USUALLY manage) but because our African Grey parrot heard it once or twice and has memorized it perfectly. He likes to do it when you are standing within two feet of him, to get the better jump and screech. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) > --- Margo Anderson wrote: > At 08:56 AM 08/13/2002 > +0000, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > > > >P.S. Can someone tell me what constitutes "an urgent housekeep chore?" > > The shrill tone of the smoke alarm coz the umpteenth attempt at cooking turned > yet again into charcoal. > > Nicole - household? what household! > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 14:52:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15193 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:52:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DIsGL11300; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:54:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIsFp06302; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:54:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIkhp02405 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:46:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 7.5a.fe3061a (4196) for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:46:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Morses3@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.fe3061a.2a8aae09@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5a.fe3061a.2a8aae09_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Subject: [h-cost] Need to hire someone to make garb Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:46:33 EDT Status: RO --part1_5a.fe3061a.2a8aae09_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, Please excuse the post but I thought this would be the best place to find someone. I need to have some Norman style garb made and since I recognize my own limitations regarding this, I would prefer to pay someone who knows what they're doing.....I can supply wool and linen fabric but probably need help with trim, design, etc. I'm looking for appropriate garb for c.1200 for myself and need everything. Please e-mail off the list with your time availability and prices and I'll get right back to you. Thanks in advance, Gervase --part1_5a.fe3061a.2a8aae09_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings,

Please excuse the post but I thought this would be the best place to find someone.

I need to have some Norman style garb made and since I recognize my own limitations regarding this, I would prefer to pay someone who knows what they're doing.....I can supply wool and linen fabric but probably need help with trim, design, etc. I'm looking for appropriate garb for c.1200 for myself and need everything.

Please e-mail off the list with your time availability and prices and I'll get right back to you.

Thanks in advance,

Gervase
--part1_5a.fe3061a.2a8aae09_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 15:25:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15412 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:25:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DJR4L14508; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DJR3p25188; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DJJRp20682 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA88735 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:19:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-Reply-To: <20020813181913.62006.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You know what's /really/ scary about these rules? in 500 years, someone's going to come across them and consider them to be gospel truth about how people sewed their clothes. :) Drea On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > --- Margo Anderson wrote: > At 08:56 AM 08/13/2002 > +0000, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > > > >P.S. Can someone tell me what constitutes "an urgent housekeep chore?" > > The shrill tone of the smoke alarm coz the umpteenth attempt at cooking turned > yet again into charcoal. > > Nicole - household? what household! > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 15:41:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15473 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:41:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DJh3L15991; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:43:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DJh2p04442; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailcity.com (fes.mail.lycos.com [209.185.123.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DJWmp28519 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:32:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:32:20 -0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Katie Lewis" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 129.219.100.156 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: katie_lewis@lycos.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:32:20 -0400 Status: RO After a hiatus I'm starting to play SCA again, and on account of having gotten rid of most of my clothes when I quit I need to make some new stuff. I've decided that I want to do 16th century English middle class stuff, because I can *afford* wool, and this time I want to do my clothing properly. Since this is a relatively new time period for me, I'm hoping for some feed back to let me know if I have the right idea or not. The picture that I'm going to be basing my dress on is the one of the English women drawn by Lucas De Heere. You can see the picture at: http://www.costume.dm.net/gallery/images/middle-wmn.gif Where Drea Leed thoughtfully put it online (btw the lovely research and patterns that Drea has on her site are a tremendous help). Specifically, I want a outfit like the one that the woman on the far left of the picture is wearing. To fill in the gaps I'm planning on using the clothes of Dorthea Sabina von Nurenberg. Although she was German and rich, her dress (to me anyway) looks similar to the picture that I'm basing my outfit on. Obviously, my first step is making a smock, which will be out of some white handkerchief linen that I already have. The pattern is from Drea's website. My next step will be to make a kirtle or possibly a corset. Actually, I'm not sure if I should make a corset before I make my kirtle. The women in the picture don't look like they are corseted, or at least they are corseted very lightly. So if I do make a corset it would be corded, or done with reeds. OTOH, I wonder if it would be easier to get the right sillouette if I fit my kirtle over a corset, even if the kirtle ends up being my supportive garment. On to the kirtle........either way this will be a entire garment, rather than just a skirt, with lace in sleeves. I'm going to use either the A-line kirtle (also based on Dorthea von Neuberg) directions on Drea's site or the Gathered Kirtle (basically a petticoat bodies), also on Drea's site :). I'm not quite sure which would be the better option, although right now I'm leaning towards the Gathered Kirtle. Since I'm small busted I think that this will give me enough support, without being at all constricting. I'm not one of those "ack, no, I will die if corseted" people, but I'm planning on doing heavy work in this outfit, so I want maximum freedom of movement. The kirtle will be made out of medium brown linen ('cause that is what I've got), lined with yet more linen. I realize that there is no evidence for garments being made out of, as opposed to lined with, linen. However, I live in Arizona (in the Southwestern US) where at night, in the middle of January it rarely drops below freezing, and the high temp in the summer is in the 110-120 range (iirc this is in the mid-40s Celcius). In other words, I need to worry about cool much more than hot. Linen, although not nessesarily *probable* is at least within the realm of possiblity, so I'm using it. For the gown I'm going to use the diagram of Dorthea von Neuberg's gown in Arnold, since it looks a lot like the one that the woman on the far left is wearing. What I'm not sure about, since she is wearing a apron, is if the gown is open in the front. I *think* it is closed, but I'm not certain. This leads to the following questions a)is the front of the skirt fastened shut, and could be open at some point b) is the front of the skirt sewn shut, with some sort of opening, possibly in the center front. c)is the skirt in fact spilt, but worn without any kind of skirt support that would make the kirtle more visible. Right now I'm leaning towards modifying the gown so that it can be closed, but can also be worn open over a slightly fancier kirtle if I feel like it. Scince I will be wearing this outfit in slightly cooler weather I'm going to make this gown out of wool, although I may make a linen gown for summer wear at a later date. I have a couple of pieces of mid-wieght (slightly, but only slightly more than dress weight) wool I might use. One is dark blue, and the other is currenly a rather nasty shade of brown. If I use it I'm going to try to remove as much of the dye as possible and try dyeing bright yellow with tumeric. If I go with the blue I'm going to trim it in green wool, if I get a decent yellow I'm going to do the same thing in blue wool. Either way I'm going to put a guard on the hem, a narrow strip on the top of each sleeve and possibly a strip running down either side of the front of the gown. To finish off I'm going to make a caul (the one described as the "muffin cap" on Drea's site) out of plain handkerchief linen, and a apron out of wool. Any feedback that people have regarding this project will be *extremely* welcome. I don't think I will have time to really do a full-out dress diary, but I will try to post pictures if people are interested. -Katie --- Oz: (pulls a animal craker out of box) Oh, look! Monkey! And he has a little hat. And little pants. The monkey's the only cookie animal that gets to wear clothes, you know that? So, I'm wondering, do the other cookie animals feel sorta ripped? Like, is the hippo going, 'Hey, man, where are *my* pants? I have my hippo dignity!' And you know the monkey's just, (with a French accent) 'I mock you with my monkey pants!' Willow: The monkey is French? Oz: All monkeys are French. You didn't know that? __________________________________________________________ Outgrown your current e-mail service? Get a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and No Taglines with LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 15:53:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15514 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:53:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DJtcL17261; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DJtbp11319; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:55:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DJLWp21995 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:21:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17ehEQ-000JPR-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:21:31 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? References: <20020807135219.45122.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> <003b01c23f6a$cbb33d80$962daf40@angelap3a8d978> In-Reply-To: <003b01c23f6a$cbb33d80$962daf40@angelap3a8d978> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:17:52 +0100 Status: RO I was always taught never to use zips on theatre costumes, for just that reason - and the 25 minute interval we had one time when a particularly large girl had to be sewn into her costume because the zip had burst. Hooks and eyes, poppers and velcro for everything. It really is all those vile modern inventions that make sewing difficult and boring! Jean Cabbage Rose wrote > >I forgot, zippers bite the worst! In theater zippers need to be replaced a >LOT and I HATE them! > >Tedious, ugly, unrewarding work, their nasty little teeth grinning up at you >evilly.. okay, maybe not evil, but they are really yucko. > >angela >+++++ >Angela F. Lazear >Cabbage Rose Costumes >http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com >Theatrical Costume Design > >"What fates impose, that men must needs abide; It boots not to resist both >wind and tide." >King Henry VI, Part III, IV, iii - W. Shakespeare > > > >> And zippers (yucko!) on modern stuff. >> >> I agree! >> Nicole >> >> ===== >> Nicole Kipar M.A. >> Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >> Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >> URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >> Email: marquis@kipar.org >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Everything you'll ever need on one web page >> from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >> http://uk.my.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 15:53:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15519 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:53:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DJtjL17275; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:55:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DJtip11396; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:55:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DJLZp22023 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:21:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17ehEU-000JQ0-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:21:34 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats References: <200208090510.g795Aqa13796@net.indra.com> <467AAE15A8A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <467AAE15A8A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:53:06 +0100 Status: RO Teddy wrote >OK, my digests are obviously in the worng order.... no wonder i've >been reading replies to messages I haven't seen yet!! > >> With a fabric marker, chalk, or pins, mark the ends of the pleated >> section on the waistband (end to end, usually, or one end to the point >> of overlap if you've got an overlapping bit). Fold in half so your >> marks meet, and mark the center. Fold each half in half, then mark the >> centers again. Continue till your marks are as far apart as you want >> your pleats. >> >> Do the same on the edge of skirt fabric that will be going into the >> waistband, but make the same number of folds and marks as you did on >> the waistband. >> >> Place right sides together and pin the ends exactly on the marks. Then >> match each mark on the waistband with the corresponding mark on the >> skirt. >> >> Distribute the skirt fabric in each section by aligning the skirt >> fabric along the waistband till you hit the next pin, pinning to make >> a fold of the excess, then pulling the excess back over the part you >> just aligned. There are a handful of different ways you can do this; >> for instance, make twice as many marks as you intended and alternate >> the directions (for box pleats). > >I do pretty much the same except that I don't mark the fabric - I just >pin the ends, then the middle, then the middle between each (in the >same way I do cartridge pleats, but with the extra step that I then >lay the pleats flat in whatever direction(s) I want the pleats to finish >up and sew through the lot, removing the pins as I go or (more >often and at the cost of the occasional machine needle and bent >pin) after it's sewn... > >Teddy I try never to take any pins out until I've finished - if you do, that's always the time the bobbin runs out 6 inches before you notice, and you have to start all over again! Pleats and set-in sleeves, never fails. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 15:53:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15524 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:53:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DJtlL17286; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DJtkp11426; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:55:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DJd4p02304 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:39:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 7770 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 20:03:03 -0000 Received: from 66-81-36-15-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.36.15) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 20:03:03 -0000 Message-ID: <3D595DED.D2D9098@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:28:45 -0700 Status: RO Drea Leed wrote: > > You know what's /really/ scary about these rules? > > in 500 years, someone's going to come across them and consider them to be > gospel truth about how people sewed their clothes. > > :) > > Drea No the really scary part is that 50 years ago, people believed this to be the gospel truth. -- Stephen Bergdahl www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm Co-Chair Costume-Con 24 Bid www.2xtreme.net/madly/Costuming101/Costume-Con24/Frames.html Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 15:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15529 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:54:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DJtpL17303; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:55:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DJtop11472; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:55:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DJdPp02484 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:39:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.17c.c9a4a72 (16634) for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:39:11 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <17c.c9a4a72.2a8aba5e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Square Pegs (WAS: clothes in 50 states) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17c.c9a4a72.2a8aba5e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:39:10 EDT Status: RO --part1_17c.c9a4a72.2a8aba5e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2002 11:06:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes: > I *loved* Square Pegs! Me too They didn't show much of it over here, > however. > > Over here as well. Y'know, you had to pay attention or you'd miss the best jokes. It was subtle....so it got canceled almost immediately. --part1_17c.c9a4a72.2a8aba5e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2002 11:06:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes:


I *loved* Square Pegs!  


Me too

They didn't show much of it over here,

however.


Over here as well. Y'know, you had to pay attention or you'd miss the best jokes. It was subtle....so it got canceled almost immediately.
--part1_17c.c9a4a72.2a8aba5e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 16:48:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15873 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:48:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DKo6L23283; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:50:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DKo3p13522; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DKY9p03381 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:34:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23455 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:36:10 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:36:10 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Drea Leed wrote: > You know what's /really/ scary about these rules? > > in 500 years, someone's going to come across them and consider them to be > gospel truth about how people sewed their clothes. ...for the entire 20th century, in all of the Western world, for all classes. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 17:05:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16023 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:05:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DL73L25195; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DL71p23463; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DKrbp15749 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:53:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA89440 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:53:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Huh! Small world--I made this gown, too. > > Actually, I'm not sure if I should make a corset before I make my >kirtle. The women in the picture don't look like they are corseted, or >at least they are corseted very lightly. So if I do make a corset it >would be corded, or done with reeds. OTOH, I wonder if it would be >easier to get the right sillouette if I fit my kirtle over a corset, even >if the kirtle ends up being my supportive garment. I'm wearing a reed-boned corset under my version of the gown (at http://costume.dm.net/wardrobe/gownkirtle.html), and it provided more than enough support. A supportive kirtle should be fine for this sort of gown, especially if you are small busted. > > On to the kirtle........either way this will be a entire garment, >rather than just a skirt, with lace in sleeves. I'm going to use either >the A-line kirtle (also based on Dorthea von Neuberg) directions on >Drea's site or the Gathered Kirtle (basically a petticoat bodies), also >on Drea's site :). I'm not quite sure which would be the better option, >although right now I'm leaning towards the Gathered Kirtle. Since I'm >small busted I think that this will give me enough support, without >being at all constricting. I'm not one of those "ack, no, I will die if >corseted" people, but I'm planning on doing heavy work in this outfit, so >I want maximum freedom of movement. I went with the a-line kirtle for mine, as this allowed me to have decoration all the way down the front of the kirtle when I wore the gown open. There are portraits showing loose gowns worn over dresses with a separate bodice and gathered skirt, too, so either is fine. > The kirtle will be made out of medium brown linen ('cause that is what >I've got), lined with yet more linen. I realize that there is no >evidence for garments being made out of, as opposed to lined with, linen. Actually, there is. I have seen a 1550s reference to a linen petticoat in the clothing accounts of Thomasine Petre, and in the 1560s, there were references in inventories of the Spanish colony of St. Augustine to canvas skirts and jackets. So you can be cool and authentic, too! > > For the gown I'm going to use the diagram of Dorthea von Neuberg's gown >in Arnold, since it looks a lot like the one that the woman on the far >left is wearing. What I'm not sure about, since she is wearing a apron, >is if the gown is open in the front. I *think* it is closed, but I'm not >certain. This leads to the following questions In gowns of this type, worn mainly during the 1560s, the skirt was open down the front. If you look at portraits painted during the 1560s, you will see several of these types of gowns; they fell out of fashion during the 1570s. Hans Eworth painted several of them. The skirts in the portraits of noblewomen appear to have been worn with a small farthingale (possibly rope-stiffened), but in this picture it looks like there's virtually no support underneath. You can find additional patterning clues for this type of gown in Alcega's "Tailor's Pattern Book 1589." The loose gown patterns are spanish, but women's loose gowns were rather generic in cut throughout the continent at this time. > > To finish off I'm going to make a caul (the one described as the >"muffin cap" on Drea's site) out of plain handkerchief linen, and a apron >out of wool. Sounds really lovely! Out of curiosity, why did you choose to make the apron out of wool? I prefer linen myself ( much easier to throw in the wash.) I made one of the wired coifs like the woman at the left has on to wear with this outfit. It has a curved back center seam and gathers at the back bottom like the coifs of later periods. A heavy millinary wire runs all along the coif, and there's a thin strap to hold it under the chin. I cheated and sewed a comb into the top to keep it on, as the top rests so far back on the head. My friends call it my "baby huey coif." :) This is a really lovely style of gown, that was widely worn by the workaday folk in the 1560s and 1570s. It's nice to see it being done more often. Good luck with your project, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 17:34:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16167 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:34:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DLaAL27863; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DLa5p09942; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DLMdp02324 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:22:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23941 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:24:39 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Linen (was: My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:24:39 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO I missed the original post, so I don't know who posted this, but in case this was in reference to anything I've written about this topic: > The kirtle will be made out of medium brown linen ('cause that is what > I've got), lined with yet more linen. I realize that there is no > evidence for garments being made out of, as opposed to lined with, > linen. ...my statements about my inability to document linen for the colored outer layer of garments (as opposed to linings and underwear) apply only to the middle ages -- not Elizabethan. (The SCA tends to lump these periods together, but they're really very different.) As Drea notes, there's documentation, perhaps ample documentation, for linen garments in the 16th century. For that matter, I'm speaking only of Western Europe. (I have reason to suspect more liberal linen use earlier on in Italy, but I have nothing solid at this point, and Italy isn't my area of focus.) Just making sure I didn't inadvertantly lead anyone astray. I wouldn't want someone walking off with the message "Robin said they didn't use linen in period." Depends what period, and where. And this is only a hypothesis at this point anyway. And even as I become surer about routine practice, I wouldn't make an always/never statement; there could easily be an exception somewhere. (Have I caveated enough now?) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 18:28:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16450 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:28:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DMU9L03117; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:30:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DMU7p10446; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DMFYp02630 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:15:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Osagg928CiXoAfPEXsxhMqY="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G95HZ2HG; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:15:14 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Message-ID: <20020813.151536.-104109.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:41:51 +0000 Status: RO And that someone was enough of a micromanager to have thought of them in the first place! Some people are very very scary.... Arlys On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:36:10 -0500 (CDT) Robin Netherton writes: > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Drea Leed wrote: > > > You know what's /really/ scary about these rules? > > > > in 500 years, someone's going to come across them and consider > them to be > gospel truth about how people sewed their clothes. > > ...for the entire 20th century, in all of the Western world, for all > classes. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 18:31:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16474 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:31:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DMX9L03438; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DMX6p11919; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DMFap02663 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:15:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Osagg928CiXoOig6chnEbtI="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G95HZ2HN; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:15:14 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Message-ID: <20020813.151536.-104109.4.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-10 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:55:27 +0000 Status: RO I'm sure he's a nice fellow and all, but smack him one upside the head for me, will you? ;) Arlys On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:46:08 -0700 Margo Anderson writes: > I showed it to my husband. He says: "You must work in constant > fear." > > Margo ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 18:57:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16587 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:57:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DMxTL05725; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DMxIp25215; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05ps.bigpond.com (mta05ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DMWap11660 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:32:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.87]) by mta05ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta05ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0SZY400.09C for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:32:28 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.52 ([203.54.114.52]) by psmam07.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 119/41801776); 14 Aug 2002 08:32:23 Message-ID: <3D5A7965.18B93F52@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Applique questions References: <200208131056.AA58851640@caerthe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:38:13 -0700 Status: RO Melanie Unruh-Bays wrote: > Hi, all! > > I'm working on a Renaissance garment which requires the use of applique'. I've done a short web search for Renaissance applique techniques, and so far I've had limited success. Can anyone provide me with some documentable method of applique' - and either a written or visual source? I've read about couching the edges, using a stem stitch for the edges, and using a blind stitch such as is done in modern quilting. Are any of these appropriate? > > I've got a deadline of three weeks, so I'd prefer applique' over regular embroidery. :-) > There are some pictures of mediaeval (not sure about Renaissance) applique in Kay Staniland's 'Mediaeval Craftsmen: The Embroiders" if you can get your hands on a copy. Not sure of the other details but it is published by the University of Toronto. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 18:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16592 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:58:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DMxgL05761; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DMxep25395; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:59:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02ps.bigpond.com (mta02ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.134]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DMgdp16667 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:42:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.87]) by mta02ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta02ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0T0EO00.5QL for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:42:24 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.52 ([203.54.114.52]) by psmam07.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 119/41811265); 14 Aug 2002 08:42:20 Message-ID: <3D5A7BB8.F142938A@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats References: <467263126E8@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:48:09 -0700 Status: RO Teddy wrote: > > No, I do it this way too, and I'm a mathematician! On the other > > hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can never seem > > to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull the > > skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have a > > foolproof method for this one? > > Yep, don't use gathering threads - just pin either end, and then > middle (between those first two pins) and keep pining the middle > between the pins until you get the entire thing pinned to the waist in > equal "pleats" which you can then sew down, taking each pin out > as you go. > I'm not quite sure I see how you can pin cartridge pleats. Or do you just pin the fabric flat and then pull it up into pleats as you go? Claire (now having visions of getting one of those great big safety pins knitters use and stringing cartridge pleats along that) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 18:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16593 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:58:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DMxkL05770; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:59:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DMxhp25422; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:59:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:root@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DMi8p17459 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:44:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7DMi7527211 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:44:07 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-Reply-To: <3D595DED.D2D9098@2xtreme.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:44:07 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > Drea Leed wrote: > > > > You know what's /really/ scary about these rules? > > > > in 500 years, someone's going to come across them and consider them to be > > gospel truth about how people sewed their clothes. > > No the really scary part is that 50 years ago, people believed this to > be the gospel truth. ...in the USA, I believe. ;) Having said that, my Norwegian 1960's Bernina manual, although it doesn't go to those lengths, also is a window into a completely different culture. My, what a difference 40 or 50 years make. :) Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 18:58:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16603 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:58:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DMxcL05750; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:59:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DMxbp25368; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:root@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DMbgp14181 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:37:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7DMbf227165 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:37:41 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:37:41 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Sarah Lorraine wrote: > Clothes? What clothes? It's rare that I'm ever more than half dressed > when sewing. Admit it, you know you do it to... ;) Hell, yeah. :D Is it even possible to operate a sewing machine fully dressed? ;) Hand sewing, now that I might wear more clothes for, as I take more time doing the straight seams. _Might_ wear more. :) Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 20:08:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16895 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:08:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E0A5L14664; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:10:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E0A3p25006; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DNt4p19330 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.141]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g7DNsP012158 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:54:25 +1000 Message-ID: <013601c24324$b1c11560$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20020813105457.011201d0@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:50:02 +1000 Status: RO > At 08:56 AM 08/13/2002 +0000, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > >P.S. Can someone tell me what constitutes "an urgent housekeep chore?" > > I've got one! If, like me, you have children (as would a good housewife of the '50s), there's some very interesting "urgent chores" to deal with. Most of them involve overpouring drinks, usually milk, soft drink or cordial (never water! that wouldn't make the whole kitchen floor sticky!!!). Others involve the overflowing of drinks once they've reached the other end of the gastrointestinal system. Both of which, of course, should be mopped up wearing your heels ;-) Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 20:08:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16899 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:08:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E0ATL14966; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E0ASp25158; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:10:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E013p21600 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.aa.10037298 (4246) for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:00:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_aa.10037298.2a8af7b3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:00:51 EDT Status: RO --part1_aa.10037298.2a8af7b3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2002 7:00:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lady_Angharad@bigpond.com writes: > I'm not quite sure I see how you can pin cartridge pleats. Or do you just > pin > the fabric flat and then pull it up into pleats as you go? > > Me too. Though I do understand "center pinning" but usually reserve it for pleating sleeves. Since the returns aren't sewn down, I just smash cartridge pleats together until they fit. For flat pleated skirts I subtract the length of the waist from the width of the skirt and divide the remainder [what will go into the returns] by the number of pleats I want. This never comes out to a workable measurement so I round it off towards the shallow side in the front and make up the difference by fudging in the back. Both methods probably take the same amount of time. --part1_aa.10037298.2a8af7b3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2002 7:00:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lady_Angharad@bigpond.com writes:


I'm not quite sure I see how you can pin cartridge pleats. Or do you just
pin
the fabric flat and then pull it up into pleats as you go?



Me too. Though I do understand "center pinning" but usually reserve it for pleating sleeves.
Since the returns aren't sewn down, I just smash cartridge pleats together until they fit.
For flat pleated skirts I subtract the length of the waist from the width of the skirt and divide the remainder [what will go into the returns] by the number of pleats I want. This never comes out to a workable measurement so I round it off towards the shallow side in the front and make up the difference by fudging in the back.

Both methods probably take the same amount of time.
--part1_aa.10037298.2a8af7b3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 20:42:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17025 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:42:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E0i2L28001; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:44:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E0i1p07078; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E0erp06059 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:40:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a238.in-tch.com [66.62.107.38]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7E0Qc921955 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D59A870.1212ACED@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! References: <468C27C6257@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <018501c242f0$d9551010$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:46:40 -0600 Status: RO *blink, blink* Do they have more? It sounds like it'd be perfectly, screamingly eye-popping if I made a surcoat out of it, and wore it over the lipstick/baboon's-butt hot-pink wool fitted gown I'm going to make one of these days. I want to save for those special, special mornings at camping events when the neighbors parties *way* too late and loud--sort of a hangover revenge dress, as I don't drink much.... --sue Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > Teddy, you would LOVE the yellow brocade I got from velvetfabric.com. It > isn't just yellow, it's screaming neon yellow. It gives me a headache just > looking at it. > > Maybe I'll dye it orange! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 20:54:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17066 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:54:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E0uDL28665; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:56:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E0uCp11244; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E0hWp06914 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:43:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a238.in-tch.com [66.62.107.38]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7E0TI922827 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:29:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D59A918.BFF47A8C@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials(WAS: What's your favourite....) References: <46868624A0D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:49:28 -0600 Status: RO You know, I'm going to *be* in London in just a couple of weeks....Robin, you send me his address, and we'll sneak over there while he's at work.... --sue, thinking a cross-Atlantic fabric raid might be kinda fun! ;-P Teddy wrote: > > > > I believe Teddy has some excess stash ;-) > > > > > > --Robin > > > > And, as I heard on Saturday, apparently still some of the yellow > > curtain mountain left over. *G* > > > > Nicole > > > > Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 21:10:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17113 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:10:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E1CDL29650; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:12:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E1CCp16460; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:12:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E0n0p08992 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a238.in-tch.com [66.62.107.38]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7E0Yl924412 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:34:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D59AA60.3E5B1E8A@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020813163140.69345.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:54:56 -0600 Status: RO Maybe it should be "Kirby _Hell_?" --sue N Kipar wrote: > > I got stuck in the mud sea on Saturday night... oh my it was hellish, we had to > go back to the hotel and fortumately a landroiver came along those nice guys > towed my car off in the middle of the night. My car looks cool now, like a > ralley car! COMPLETELY covered in mud, it even went over the roof. > > Nicole - pondering a t-shirt 'I survived the mud in Kirby hall 2003' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 21:15:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17133 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:15:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E1H2L29913; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E1H1p18085; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E1EQp17177 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A1C10F11C for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F66510F052 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005701c2432d$0d06bd50$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <468C27C6257@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <018501c242f0$d9551010$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> <3D59A870.1212ACED@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:53:36 -0400 Status: RO Oooh, a hangover revenge gown---now WHY didn't I think of that? I don't drink much either, how perfect! As for whether or not she has more, I have no idea. I won it on evilBay for a grand total of ninety nine CENTS plus shipping. Five yards of the stuff!! (I figured for that price, I'd FIND a use for it!) Her user name on evilBay is bunycraft@aol.com. Dianne now thinking nasty, evil thoughts! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! > *blink, blink* > Do they have more? It sounds like it'd be perfectly, screamingly > eye-popping if I made a surcoat out of it, and wore it over the > lipstick/baboon's-butt hot-pink wool fitted gown I'm going to make one > of these days. I want to save for those special, special mornings at > camping events when the neighbors parties *way* too late and loud--sort > of a hangover revenge dress, as I don't drink much.... > --sue > > Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > > > Teddy, you would LOVE the yellow brocade I got from velvetfabric.com. It > > isn't just yellow, it's screaming neon yellow. It gives me a headache just > > looking at it. > > > > Maybe I'll dye it orange! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 21:32:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17210 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:31:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E1Y2L00803; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E1Y1p23156; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail017.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail017.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.175]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E1LMp19378 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:21:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from qwerty.optusnet.com.au (c16828.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [211.28.151.194]) by mail017.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7E1LFo01029 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:21:15 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020814105614.029b3270@210.49.20.169> X-Sender: koidgath@210.49.20.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-Reply-To: <4689A096B3C@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <20020813095100.21510.12724.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:14:27 +1000 Status: RO This sort of topic has just given me an excuse to gloat. I bought a 1952 reprint of a 1940 book off ebay australia for au$13.30. Its called Principle of Garment Cutting and its a textbook for students. Its a complete guide to drafting basic blocks and then how to alter then into all sorts of stuff. I Theres a chapter on each of sleeves, skirts, blouses, collars, cuffs, etc. Things that were getting peoples notice last night (sewing meeting) were the bloomers (womens and childs), the corsets and corselettes and brassieres chapter. The different varieties of underclothing especially the knickers. The divided skirt or culotte for use as a riding skirt or for any kind of sports wear. That and the fact that it was apparently necessary to know how to draft a circular cape, a coachmans cape and a nurse's cape. All of which I'm going to have to try (I collect cloak patterns I blame uni for that) Its a completely different world. (No offence meant to anyone) Oh does anybody know what a swagger coat is? Is the one thing I can't visualise from the drafting diagram Sharon Nevin far too pleased with the book _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 22:17:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17399 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:17:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E2JKL03292; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E2JJp07440; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D8Rgn03761 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:27:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1515.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.5.235] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17eX1g-0001uE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:27:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c242a5$a4896520$eb0586d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <20020812143525.97348.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:44:29 +0100 Status: RO Morning All, Sorry I couldn't make it on Saturday - I had one fractious baby to deal with, and several drowned rats and one very muddy old Labrador to deal with! Coupled with a fridge and a cooker not working...boo hoo, it was all to much! Glad you had a nice time, tho'. How was it, "sausage side"? I didn't even make it off the plastic site :-( Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: "H-Costume" Sent: 12 August 2002 15:35 Subject: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party > Well, well, I can only say that Jean, Teddy and Tom are LOVELY! Oh, and I did > manage to meet Kate too, albeit briefly, in the courtyard during the day. Kate, > I would love to get a copy of the photos of you and me if possible. I'm sorry > that I didn't manage to meet Debbie or Freyalyn. Debbie, I looked for you on > the traders' market and couldn't find you. > Oh yes, and the promised pictures are right now downloading off the disks... > *G* > > Nicole - enchanted with the fact that the h-cost members I met are even nicer > in reality as they already are online! > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 22:39:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17486 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:39:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E2f8L04593; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E2f7p14161; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mothra.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (mothra.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7E2Uep10916 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:30:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 3773 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 02:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.69) by mothra.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 02:30:38 -0000 Message-ID: <3D59C137.7CAA671C@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Help needed on sleeves. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:32:23 -0400 Status: RO I am in the process of beading under sleeves for a Elizabethan gown. The sleeves have two seams. There is petite trim on the seams. My problem is do I bead the whole sleeve or just the top part. I've looked at pictures for guidance but can't find one picture that clearly shows the whole sleeve beaded or narrow sleeves with seams and beaded. The narrow sleeves are detachable from the bodice which have a short capped puffed sleeve. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Diana - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 22:47:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17530 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:47:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E2nGL05140; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:49:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E2nEp16596; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:49:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E2WQp11418 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:32:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-44-69.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.44.69]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7E2WPZ263344 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:32:25 -0400 Message-ID: <01b301c2433a$de75a010$452caf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <467E52410C4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:32:43 -0700 Status: RO Teddy, It appears that after I suggested Penny as the model, you received several "votes" I think we have to dress you both. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "And thus I clothe my naked villany With odd old ends stoln' forth of holy writ, And seem a saint when most I play the devil" Richard III, I, iii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? > > > OK, I'm in! But who gets to wear it? ;-) > > Me!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 23:45:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17711 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:45:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E3l3L08162; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E3l1p03328; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E3jdp02941 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:45:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net [216.42.122.226] by infoblvd.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A4CB65100F8; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:55:55 -0400 Message-ID: <3D59D541.56387DAA@infoblvd.net> From: straight X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) References: <20020813095100.21510.12724.Mailman@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020814105614.029b3270@210.49.20.169> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: straight@infoblvd.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:57:53 -0400 Status: RO <<<<<<<<<,Oh does anybody know what a swagger coat is? Is the one thing I can't visualise from the drafting diagram>>>>>. Well, I know what a swagger Stick is. It's that thing some upper military officers carry, especially British. I believe a swagger coat, though, is a sort of horseman's riding coat, a long one, rather full, with a split in the back to go over the horse. Is that what it looks like maybe? Diane S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 00:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17780 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:02:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E443L09034; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E442p07825; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail018.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail018.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E40Op06859 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:00:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from qwerty.optusnet.com.au (c16828.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [211.28.151.194]) by mail018.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7E40Hj16007 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:00:18 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020814134617.028d5e00@210.49.20.169> X-Sender: koidgath@210.49.20.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-Reply-To: <3D59D541.56387DAA@infoblvd.net> References: <20020813095100.21510.12724.Mailman@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020814105614.029b3270@210.49.20.169> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:53:35 +1000 Status: RO At 11:57 PM 8/13/02 -0400, you wrote: ><<<<<<<<<,Oh does anybody know what a swagger coat >is? Is the one >thing I can't >visualise from the drafting diagram>>>>>. > > Well, I know what a swagger Stick is. It's that >thing some upper military officers carry, >especially British. > I believe a swagger coat, though, is a sort of >horseman's riding coat, a long one, rather full, >with a split in the back to go over the horse. Is >that what it looks like maybe? Oops.. I meant to specify its for a women. Its has fullness added to the back and side but not split and the front meets edge to edge not overlapping. Its a puzzle. Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 00:18:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17820 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:18:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E4K4L09815; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:20:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E4K1p12427; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E457p08138 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:05:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m141.in-tch.com [216.166.191.141]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7E3or923154 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D59D856.A94BFBDB@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Applique questions References: <200208131056.AA58851640@caerthe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:11:02 -0600 Status: RO Hi, Melanie. Off the top of my head, I'd betcha they used different applique-ish techniques for different needs--and of course, it would vary with the materials used, and the time/place they were being used. There are heraldic surcoats, and 16th c. embroidered slips, and vestments, and banners....it depends a lot on what you're doing. I saw a really nifty piece of applique work last fall at the Henry Gallery (Seattle), during a special textiles tour some folks very kindly arranged as part of Known World Arts and Sciences (big SCA thing, for the non-SCAers on the list). It was Italian, and I think 15th? c. (I'd have to look at my notes). It was, oh, maybe about 30 inches wide? and several feet long (they only had part of it unrolled for us), and looked very much like what you'd think a wall-hanging would be. The top (outer) layer was green silk and red silk--very thin, almost like modern china silk. The design was this *really* large-scale sorta pomegranate design--I've seen very similar things on textiles of the time. Unfortunately, my sketching skills suck, and we couldn't take pictures....*sigh* The interesting part was the technique--the raw edges of the "background" fabric and the "design" fabric butted right up next to each other, and the join was covered with several thicknesses of apple-green silk thread (I remember thinking it looked thick, almost like string, only not twisted so tight--more parallel), which were couched in place with matching green thread (thread ran at right angles to the stuff that was being couched). You could see the couching stitches on the back of the textile--the whole thing was lined in something (I'm guessing linen) that looked about the weight of modern unbleached muslin, perhaps slightly lighter, and the couching stitches went right through the back. It almost looked like those couching stitches were the only things holding it all in place, but I could easily be mistaken. I don't recall a lot of visible fraying on the fabric edges, but I was also unable to find out if this was just a result of the weave, or if the edges had been treated with something when new. So there's one technique...but it wouldn't be good for fabrics that ravelled, and it might be more of a pain if you were dealing with a fussy, small pattern (this was pretty large-scale). It might help us give you better advice, if you were more specific about what you're making, it's intended time frame, etc. --Sue, who'd really like to do something similar for a wall hanging if she ever gets the free time ! Melanie Unruh-Bays wrote: > > Hi, all! > > I'm working on a Renaissance garment which requires the use of applique'. I've done a short web search for Renaissance applique techniques, and so far I've had limited success. Can anyone provide me with some documentable method of applique' - and either a written or visual source? I've read about couching the edges, using a stem stitch for the edges, and using a blind stitch such as is done in modern quilting. Are any of these appropriate? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 00:52:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17933 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:52:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E4s7L11608; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:54:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E4s1p21073; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailcity.com (fes.mail.lycos.com [209.185.123.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7E4fIp17886 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:41:04 -0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Katie Lewis" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit X-Sender-Ip: 129.219.100.208 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: katie_lewis@lycos.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:41:04 -0400 Status: RO On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:53:33 Drea Leed wrote: >Huh! Small world--I made this gown, too. Well, it is either a case of great minds thinking alike, or that there are only so many images of non-noble Englishwomen to go from :) >> > > >I'm wearing a reed-boned corset under my version of the gown >(at http://costume.dm.net/wardrobe/gownkirtle.html), and it provided more >than enough support. A supportive kirtle should be fine for this sort of >gown, especially if you are small busted. Thanks for the advice. I think I will go with just the kirtle. > > >Actually, there is. I have seen a 1550s reference to a linen petticoat >in the clothing accounts of Thomasine Petre, and in the 1560s, there were >references in inventories of the Spanish colony of St. Augustine to canvas >skirts and jackets. So you can be cool and authentic, too! Spiffyness! It is always nice to find out that what you thought were compromises are actually plausible choices. > >You can find additional patterning clues for this type of gown in Alcega's >"Tailor's Pattern Book 1589." The loose gown patterns are spanish, but >women's loose gowns were rather generic in cut throughout the continent at >this time. Thanks for the tips. I will definately have to take a closer look at Alcega. > >Sounds really lovely! Out of curiosity, why did you choose to make the >apron out of wool? I prefer linen myself ( much easier to throw in the >wash.) True. OTOH, I'm going to be doing a fair amount of cooking and other work around open fires in this outfit, and I wanted the fire retardant qualties of wool. I have a cotton apron for ACW and it has picked up a lot of holes where a spark fell and burned through instantly. > I >cheated and sewed a comb into the top to keep it on, as the top rests so >far back on the head. My friends call it my "baby huey coif." :) LOL, I say, what is the point of doing historic costuming if you don't get to wear silly hats! > > Good luck with your project, Thanks! And thanks again for all of your excellent advice. -Katie --- Oz: (pulls a animal craker out of box) Oh, look! Monkey! And he has a little hat. And little pants. The monkey's the only cookie animal that gets to wear clothes, you know that? So, I'm wondering, do the other cookie animals feel sorta ripped? Like, is the hippo going, 'Hey, man, where are *my* pants? I have my hippo dignity!' And you know the monkey's just, (with a French accent) 'I mock you with my monkey pants!' Willow: The monkey is French? Oz: All monkeys are French. You didn't know that? __________________________________________________________ Outgrown your current e-mail service? Get a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and No Taglines with LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 00:52:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17938 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:52:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E4sfL11639; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E4sep21241; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:54:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E4hbp18571 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:43:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from JBrendlingerLT.sbcglobal.net (adsl-66-124-153-210.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [66.124.153.210]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g7E4haf166024 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:43:36 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020813214211.02d95c98@pop.sbcglobal.net> X-Sender: joycebre@pop.sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joyce Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-Reply-To: <20020813095100.21510.12724.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:43:37 -0700 Status: RO At 03:51 AM 8/13/2002 -0600, Sue wrote: >Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >intervals. Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick put on.... >[If] you If it's not done in my period, do I still have to powder my hair? I hate that look. -- Joyce _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 01:21:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18060 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:21:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E5NIL12976; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:23:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E5NHp28594; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:23:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E4x2p22410 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net [216.42.122.226] by infoblvd.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A5FF3FE20114; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:09:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3D59E674.DD77DC02@infoblvd.net> From: straight X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) References: <20020813095100.21510.12724.Mailman@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020814105614.029b3270@210.49.20.169> <5.1.0.14.0.20020814134617.028d5e00@210.49.20.169> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: straight@infoblvd.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:11:16 -0400 Status: RO Approx what year (more or less) did you say this was? Sounds like some fashionable coats I've seen. No, practicality was not a priority. Think stiff, course, textured shantung silk, shiny, stiffly interlined, holds it's shape very well, layered over a formal dress, maybe a full skirt, maybe a shaped shirt. Does that sound more like it? Some were fastened with one frog, which doesn't require an overlap. Diane S. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, Oops.. I meant to specify its for a women. Its has fullness added to the back and side but not split and the front meets edge to edge not overlapping. Its a puzzle. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 02:17:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27609 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:17:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E6J5L15168; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:19:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E6J2p12497; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E6EOp11302 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:14:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.102]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0T008Q4LBYOQ@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:14:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-reply-to: <200208131449.g7DEnRmi057171@jabberwock.wonderland.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020813223531.00e5dab0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:38:19 -0700 Status: RO >off topic -- but you should try burts bees lipstick. it's essentially >balm (my favorite one, too!) with pigment added. i adore all their products. > >and, i uh, use them while sewing, so this is on topic! yeah! > >http://www.burtsbees.com/cgi-bin/burtsbees.storefront > >.heather. > > > > > I can't remember the last time I wore powder or lipstick. When they come up > > with a lipstick that doesn't dry out my lips, I might consider. > > Mascara, now that's another story. LOVE mascara. It's the petroleum that dries out your lips. I was going to suggest you find some without, and the above-mentioned stuff sounds like the right stuff. One good thing about having been a Hippie is that I never got into the whole makeup thing. (The bad news is it makes me just a little too young for Swing Dancing, really big right now among the folks who weren't born at the time.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 02:20:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29573 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:20:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E6M3L15250; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E6M3p13215; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E6EOp11309 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:14:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.102]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0T008Q4LBYOQ@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:14:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Applique questions In-reply-to: <200208131056.AA58851640@caerthe.org> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020813223851.00e39480@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:40:13 -0700 Status: RO >I'm working on a Renaissance garment which requires the use of applique'. >I've done a short web search for Renaissance applique techniques, and so >far I've had limited success. Can anyone provide me with some documentable >method of applique' - and either a written or visual source? I've read >about couching the edges, using a stem stitch for the edges, and using a >blind stitch such as is done in modern quilting. Are any of these appropriate? Any piece of pre-1800 applique I ever saw had raw edges with narrow braid over them. I don't know how the pieces were attached, but there's that braid trying, unsuccessfully this many centuries later, to hide the fraying edges. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 02:22:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA31212 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:22:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E6OlL15360; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:24:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E6Okp14031; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E6EPp11316 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.102]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0T008Q4LBYOQ@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:14:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-reply-to: <20020813.095513.-104109.4.Cley@juno.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020813224219.00d71c00@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:01:41 -0700 Status: RO >P.S. Can someone tell me what constitutes "an urgent housekeep chore?" Toilet overflowing, fire on the stove - things like that, I guess. -snip- >> You know what's /really/ scary about these rules? >> >> in 500 years, someone's going to come across them and consider them to be >> gospel truth about how people sewed their clothes. >> >> :) >> >> Drea > >No the really scary part is that 50 years ago, people believed this to >be the gospel truth. Not my mother (and probably not her mother either). I have a picture of my mother sewing in 1949, after she had graduated from college and pretty soon after she had given birth to me. She's wearing a large-plaid skirt, a round-neck sweater shaped like a modern t-shirt, Oxfords, and bobby sox. Her hair looks brushed, with bangs (=fringe) across her forehead and shoulder-length curls in back. There's no makeup, no high-heels, no nice dress. -snip- >> Clothes? What clothes? It's rare that I'm ever more than half dressed >> when sewing. Admit it, you know you do it to... ;) > >Hell, yeah. :D Is it even possible to operate a sewing machine fully >dressed? ;) Yes it is. My house-mates insist, when they're awake. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 02:51:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16544 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:51:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E6r2L16409; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E6r1p21253; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E6gqp18458 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:42:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id ACA03D501E8; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: <012101c2435d$c68c53e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Thanks and Hiding Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:42:34 -0400 Status: RO I would like to thank you all for the suggestions for hairstyles for the balls. Your suggestions really gave me some good ideas to spring off of. For the 1950s gown I am going with a Grace Kelly look. The 1920s hairstyle will be in a bun at the nape of the neck and secure it with hairsticks. An idea coming from the oriental influence from the early 20s. We purchased a few those little bobby pins with red rhinestones on them to scatter across my hair. My husband and little daughter are doing my 1920s style. They are ready to practice tomorrow. I came up with a really good idea on how get the 1950s style... since that one is out of my league. We have a beauty school near our home. I went their today and spoke with the dean about teaching a class on how to create this hairstyle. She went for it!!!!! So the class is Saturday and I am the model! She said they would love to teach a class on the 1920s hairstyle, but they are closed Monday... the day of the Red Cross Ball. Since my little Katie is my date for the first Ball, the school is also doing her hair in an updo ringlets and teaching a class on it too! Katie has beautiful curly hair and I told them we never let anyone mess with her hair. So they better think of it as an honor. As we left, Katie said, "Mom stand close and if they mess up, pop them with your fan." I am going into lurkmode for a couple of days to finish the handwork on my 1920s gown. And I do sew fully clothed... but I do sew bare-footed. I will come back on Thursday when the NYC designer 1950s gown arrives and I will tell you all about it. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 02:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20312 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:59:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E71CL16753; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E71Bp23181; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:01:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E6kip19577 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AD883E101E8; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:49:44 -0500 Message-ID: <012e01c2435e$50eea880$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020813224219.00d71c00@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:46:27 -0400 Status: RO > >P.S. Can someone tell me what constitutes "an urgent housekeep chore?" In my household the rule of thumb has always been... "You may only bother me if you can show me a lot of blood or a bone sticking out of your body that shouldn't be... and it better be a big bone." Funny, my kids don't bother me when I am sewing. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 03:25:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28024 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:25:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E7R3L17721; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E7R1p29106; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7E7Epp26230 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814071451.99972.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:14:51 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Linen fire retardant, was Re: [h-cost] My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:14:51 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Katie Lewis wrote: > > True. OTOH, I'm going to be doing a fair amount of cooking and other work > around open fires in this outfit, and I wanted the fire retardant qualties of > wool. I have a cotton apron for ACW and it has picked up a lot of holes > where a spark fell and burned through instantly. Linen won't, it really has a natural fire retardant quality, cotton is the problem. I have one tablecloth out of cotton (I know, I know, I have to replace it with a linen one eventually) and one from linen. The cotton one has a few small holes from fire sparks, the linen one is still pristine. Same goes with my aprons, both for Anglo-Saxon and 17th c. Choose a medium thickness or thick linen and you'll be fine, honest. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 03:43:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00654 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:43:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E7jfL18424; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E7jep03674; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:45:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7E7Qxp29087 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814072659.50557.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:26:59 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen (was: My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:26:59 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > ...my statements about my inability to document linen for the colored > outer layer of garments (as opposed to linings and underwear) apply only > to the middle ages -- not Elizabethan. (The SCA tends to lump these > periods together, but they're really very different.) As Drea notes, > there's documentation, perhaps ample documentation, for linen garments in > the 16th century. Robin, have you come across by any chance the use of coloured linen in the 17th century? I still haven't, but then I haven't managed yet to find the time to go through the wills etc. It would be most useful to have a coloured thick linen skirt/petticoat for thsoe endless rainy re-enactment days in merry old wet England. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 03:54:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10716 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:54:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E7ubL18755; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E7uap06113; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:56:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7E7dlp02232 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:39:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814073947.72252.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:39:47 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D58E9F0.3311.8974240@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:39:47 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > long way from the area it is sewn to. It's one of the reasons why, > for some garments, they sewed in rings on the inside with a tape > running through the rings to hold the pleats in shape. (For an > example see Milia Davenport's _Book of Costume_ where she > shows the inside of military bases.) Uhm... since the Davenport book is one of teh very few I don't have (yet) I can't quite picture this and am intrigued (sounds so very useful!) any chance of an image perhaps? > I don't like my gathering threads seen, so I use a method called > "side draw" rather than the one often seen which can be called > "center draw". There are advantages and disadvantages to each, > but I still prefer side draw. I don't understand the side draw, haven't heard of it, please do explain! Oh, and have you figured out how to do the tiny minuscule and oh so absolutely perfect pleating/gathering in linen garments? I just never mnage to make it look like that! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 04:31:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA10922 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:31:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E8X2L20480; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E8X0p13710; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7E8Nfp11915 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:23:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814082341.55073.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:23:41 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D591BD9.FE1D415F@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:23:41 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Oh, those are wonderful! It's so great to put faces to names! > I love Tom's hat, and Teddy's outfit, and Nicole, those *definitely* > look like boots that would be much better for wearing in the wet than > your lovely silk outfit! And it does look wet there, or is that just > because it's so much greener than where I live? Hmm.... well, it WAS wet on the Friday but I think it's a combo of that and te fact that it IS very lushly green here usually because, well, of the usual wetness I guess. :-))) Then again I will never forget what you said about the vastness of your place, I envy you for all that space! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 05:09:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11017 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:09:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E9B3L21780; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9B1p22354; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E8tEp18027 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:55:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb03la (unverified [10.1.200.104]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:50:42 -0700 thread-index: AcJDb6vOk78ejAuSRN2HRZewoctIPw== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party Message-ID: <043101c2436f$abce9ab0$0ec8a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0432_01C24334.FF6FC2B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:50:42 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0432_01C24334.FF6FC2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I managed to find Teddy in his voluminous underwear, and tracked down Debbie's stall. I was going over to see Jean, but as I found someone I thought was her she was busy getting a sweaty Norman out of some form of armour, so I thought I'd get back to her later and of course never did. I went looking for Nicole and didn't find her, but it was very hot by then and I needed beer so that may have had something to do with it. I really enjoyed Kirby, and even my husband got much more interested that I thought he would. But the only thing he would be prepared to get dressed up as is one of Napolean's Imperial Guard or a Confederate soldier. I'm not quite sure what that says about him!! And of course we got drenched in the DELUGE during the final parade on Saturday. Teddy, I really felt for you tripping along in the rain, not to mention those is the really elaborate costumes. It took us over an hour to get out of the carpark, which just immediately turned into a quagmire. Everytime we managed to get going the (completely useless) carpark stewards would stop us to let others through, and the car sank!! What fun! Completely normal for a British holiday weekend, of course. Freyalyn _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Teddy > Sent: 8/14/2002 12:52:10 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party > > > Well, well, I can only say that Jean, Teddy and Tom are LOVELY! > Oh, and I did manage to meet Kate too, albeit briefly, in the > courtyard during the day. Kate, I would love to get a copy of the > photos of you and me if possible. I'm sorry that I didn't manage to > meet Debbie or Freyalyn. > > I ment them (well Freyalyn found me sitting outside the tent in my > underwear, busily trying to thread the - now of dubious accuracy - > lucet cord points through the eyelet holes in my hose). I found > Debbie's stall at the traders area and , several return visits later, > she was actually there when I stopped by.... > > Oh yes, and the promised pictures are right now downloading off > the disks... *G* > > Yay! > > Nicole - enchanted with the fact that the h-cost members I met are > even nicer in reality as they already are online! > > I'll second that. It's always great to actually talk in person with > people I've been in e-contact with in the list > > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_0432_01C24334.FF6FC2B0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I managed to find Teddy in his voluminous underwear, and tracked down Debbie's stall.

I was going over to see Jean, but as I found someone I thought was her she was busy getting a sweaty Norman out of some form of armour, so I thought I'd get back to her later and of course never did.

I went looking for Nicole and didn't find her, but it was very hot by then and I needed beer so that may have had something to do with it.

I really enjoyed Kirby, and even my husband got much more interested that I thought he would. But the only thing he would be prepared to get dressed up as is one of Napolean's Imperial Guard or a Confederate soldier. I'm not quite sure what that says about him!!

And of course we got drenched in the DELUGE during the final parade on Saturday. Teddy, I really felt for you tripping along in the rain, not to mention those is the really elaborate costumes. It took us over an hour to get out of the carpark, which just immediately turned into a quagmire. Everytime we managed to get going the (completely useless) carpark stewards would stop us to let others through, and the car sank!!

What fun! Completely normal for a British holiday weekend, of course.

Freyalyn


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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Teddy
> Sent: 8/14/2002 12:52:10 AM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party
>
>
> Well, well, I can only say that Jean, Teddy and Tom are LOVELY!
> Oh, and I did manage to meet Kate too, albeit briefly, in the
> courtyard during the day. Kate, I would love to get a copy of the
> photos of you and me if possible. I'm sorry that I didn't manage to
> meet Debbie or Freyalyn.
>
> I ment them (well Freyalyn found me sitting outside the tent in my
> underwear, busily trying to thread the - now of dubious accuracy -
> lucet cord points through the eyelet holes in my hose). I found
> Debbie's stall at the traders area and , several return visits later,
> she was actually there when I stopped by....
>
> Oh yes, and the promised pictures are right now downloading off
> the disks... *G*
>
> Yay!
>
> Nicole - enchanted with the fact that the h-cost members I met are
> even nicer in reality as they already are online!
>
> I'll second that. It's always great to actually talk in person with
> people I've been in e-contact with in the list
>
>
> Teddy
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------=_NextPart_000_0432_01C24334.FF6FC2B0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 05:34:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11086 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:34:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E9a6L22345; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:36:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9a5p25421; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7E7gDp02746 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814074212.6837.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:42:12 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <467263126E8@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:42:12 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > It's avariation of the way Danielle does it (she showed me this one > when she was visiting in January) and it makes the whole thing so > much quicker and easier.... and no maths involved, which is always > a Good Thing! Oh please tell us how Danielle does it, ANY way of dealing with sewing and making it easier/quicker is a good way. Nicole - still admiring the memory of these absolutely pristine eyelets that Teddy had made in his clothes. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 05:34:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11090 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:34:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E9aLL22361; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:36:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9aKp25508; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:36:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7E7HRp26855 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814071726.77917.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:17:26 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Applique questions To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020813223851.00e39480@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:17:26 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > Any piece of pre-1800 applique I ever saw had raw edges with narrow braid > over them. I don't know how the pieces were attached, but there's that > braid trying, unsuccessfully this many centuries later, to hide the fraying > edges. The grenadier's cap from the war of the Spanish Succession, that is from around 1707, and is situated in the National Army Museum in London has a 2/2 twill applique of a lady and a harp (it's the Irish grenadier's regiment) and the edges are attached with stem stitch. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 05:34:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11094 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:34:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E9akL22402; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:36:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9akp25611; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:36:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E8hlp15780 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:43:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb06la (unverified [10.1.200.110]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:39:14 -0700 thread-index: AcJDbhGQGud1omX8ToeBf9xW8gH/YA== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Pattern give-away results From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern give-away results Message-ID: <001e01c2436e$11900570$14c8a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C24333.65312D70" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:39:13 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C24333.65312D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, how exciting!! My silly machine won't let me repay to people's own e-mail, it insists on replying to the list. Sorry Sue. Details are Freyalyn Close-Hainsworth, 8 The Grove, Baildon, West Yorkshire, BD17 5NQ, UK. Thank you very much. Freyalyn the blue-handed (I was dyeing silk last night, and it was too hot for rubber gloves). _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Sue Clemenger > Sent: 8/13/2002 4:56:53 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Pattern give-away results > > Hi, gang. I drew names out of my magic hat last night , and have the > winners for the 3 Folkwear patterns I'm giving away. > Would the following people please contact me privately to make mailing > arrangements: > Freyalyn > Katie Lewis > Carolyn Burrows > > Thanks, and I now return you to your regularly-scheduled Tuesdays. > --Sue, in pleasant, sunny Montana > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C24333.65312D70 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, how exciting!! My silly machine won't let me repay to people's own e-mail, it insists on replying to the list. Sorry Sue.

Details are Freyalyn Close-Hainsworth, 8 The Grove, Baildon, West Yorkshire, BD17 5NQ, UK.

Thank you very much.

Freyalyn the blue-handed (I was dyeing silk last night, and it was too hot for rubber gloves).


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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Sue Clemenger
> Sent: 8/13/2002 4:56:53 PM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: [h-cost] Pattern give-away results
>
> Hi, gang. I drew names out of my magic hat last night , and have the
> winners for the 3 Folkwear patterns I'm giving away.
> Would the following people please contact me privately to make mailing
> arrangements:
> Freyalyn
> Katie Lewis
> Carolyn Burrows
>
> Thanks, and I now return you to your regularly-scheduled Tuesdays.
> --Sue, in pleasant, sunny Montana
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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C24333.65312D70-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 05:51:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11154 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:51:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E9rDL23044; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:53:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9rBp28807; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:53:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9cCp25925 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:38:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb05la (unverified [10.1.200.108]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:33:39 -0700 thread-index: AcJDdavwGaxkMBGmTXenwFDhST5ujg== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Message-ID: <112101c24375$abf35200$12c8a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1122_01C2433A.FF947A00" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:33:39 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1122_01C2433A.FF947A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My DH has been known to get up at 5.30am to go into work for a 12 hour day, leaving me snoozing. I then get up late, sew all day, and he comes home to find me in knickers and t-shirt, threads and pins everywhere, with no dinner on the table!! (The only reason I'm as dressed as I am is because I have to take the dogs for a walk) The guy (and it must have been a guy) who wrote these rules would be appalled at all of us. Imagine, sewing for our own satisfaction, making things that have no 'practical use' but are what we want to make and wear, and not just to save a little bit of money and keep our little hands busy until hubby comes home from work. Can you tell this made me cross? Freyalyn _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you.=20 <-----Original Message-----> >=20 > From: Ingrid G. Storr=F8 > Sent: 8/14/2002 8:48:07 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) >=20 > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > Drea Leed wrote: > >=20 > > You know what's /really/ scary about these rules? > >=20 > > in 500 years, someone's going to come across them and consider them to be > > gospel truth about how people sewed their clothes. >=20 > No the really scary part is that 50 years ago, people believed this to > be the gospel truth. >=20 > ...in the USA, I believe. ;) Having said that, my Norwegian 1960's=20 > Bernina manual, although it doesn't go to those lengths, also is a=20 > window into a completely different culture. My, what a difference 40 or=20 > 50 years make. :) >=20 > Ingrid >=20 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_1122_01C2433A.FF947A00 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My DH has been known to get up at 5.30am to go into work for a 12 hour day, leaving me snoozing. I then get up late, sew all day, and he comes home to find me in knickers and t-shirt, threads and pins everywhere, with no dinner on the table!! (The only reason I'm as dressed as I am is because I have to take the dogs for a walk)

The guy (and it must have been a guy) who wrote these rules would be appalled at all of us. Imagine, sewing for our own satisfaction, making things that have no 'practical use' but are what we want to make and wear, and not just to save a little bit of money and keep our little hands busy until hubby comes home from work.

Can you tell this made me cross?

Freyalyn


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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Ingrid G. Storrø
> Sent: 8/14/2002 8:48:07 AM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949)
>
> On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Stephen Bergdahl wrote:
> Drea Leed wrote:
> >
> > You know what's /really/ scary about these rules?
> >
> > in 500 years, someone's going to come across them and consider them to be
> > gospel truth about how people sewed their clothes.
>
> No the really scary part is that 50 years ago, people believed this to
> be the gospel truth.
>
> ...in the USA, I believe. ;) Having said that, my Norwegian 1960's
> Bernina manual, although it doesn't go to those lengths, also is a
> window into a completely different culture. My, what a difference 40 or
> 50 years make. :)
>
> Ingrid
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------=_NextPart_000_1122_01C2433A.FF947A00-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 05:51:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11161 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:51:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E9rPL23061; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:53:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9rNp28887; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:53:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9eip26385 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:40:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLA9UDIVOG005H62@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:40:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLA9U9B6MA004Y44@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:40:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:35:40 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:34:51 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:34:48 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! In-reply-to: <20020813165311.27384.97050.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47A468C4062@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:34:48 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Great pictures. I didn't know Teddy had such beautiful blue > eyes. Wow! Great surcote too. I hate them. I;ve always seen them as grey and I *hate* grey or anything close to a grey-shade. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 05:56:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11175 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:56:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7E9w2L23234; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9w1p29874; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9i1p27008 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLA9YJ9MM8005H62@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:43:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLA9YA2M78004Y44@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:43:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:38:54 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:38:12 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:38:11 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mud at Kirbby (WAS: Renaissance Faires in the U.S.) In-reply-to: <20020813165311.27384.97050.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47A54D101F7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:38:11 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I got stuck in > the mud sea on Saturday night... oh my it was hellish, we had to go > back to the hotel and fortumately a landroiver came along those nice > guys towed my car off in the middle of the night. My car looks cool > now, like a ralley car! COMPLETELY covered in mud, it even went over > the roof. I forsee a visit to a car-wash..... > Nicole - pondering a t-shirt 'I survived the mud in Kirby hall 2003' Yes please! I have 3 shoes that need a thorough washing as they ended up full of liquid mud on different trips to the portaloos... so that's three pairs of shoes out of action until they're cleaned and dried! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 06:04:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11213 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:04:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EA66L23493; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:06:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EA65p01715; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:06:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9olp28339 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:50:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p901-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.195.139] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17eund-0004QI-00; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:50:45 +1200 Message-ID: <006501c24378$10bfd8a0$8bc3adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020814073947.72252.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:50:46 +1200 Status: RO > > long way from the area it is sewn to. It's one of the reasons why, > > for some garments, they sewed in rings on the inside with a tape > > running through the rings to hold the pleats in shape. (For an > > example see Milia Davenport's _Book of Costume_ where she > > shows the inside of military bases.) > Uhm... since the Davenport book is one of teh very few I don't have (yet) I > can't quite picture this and am intrigued (sounds so very useful!) any chance > of an image perhaps? I don't know if there is one online showing it too clearly, but Teddy did show us an online image of a bloke lying on his back (not looking too distressed considering he's probably rather close to dying) having fallen from his horse (?) You can see the ties I think. And Blanche Payne has a set of bases in her History of Costume, pattern too.. this is the first edition btw, not the recent 2nd edition which annoyingly leaves out all the patterns making it pretty much like any other costume book.. in black and white. Imagine the pleats as being half cones. The rings are on the edges equidistant from the top or bottom of each and a tie runs through them to keep the pleats in that half cone shape. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 06:08:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11232 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:08:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EAACL23617; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:10:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EAABp02572; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:10:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9tUp29367 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAADT4OGW0060MM@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:55:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAADLWF1E004Y44@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:55:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:50:30 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:50:27 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:50:21 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-reply-to: <20020813180009.6028.7523.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47A89135D18@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:50:19 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > "Duster"? Small square of soft cloth for wiping the dust form objects around the house.... Sometimes a few feathers attached to a stick, though that is more commonly referred to as a "feather-duster" Sorry, I coudln't resist..... > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:58:20 -0400 Lalah T Tillinghast > writes: > > > Bare feet are even better. As for dressing up to sew, forget it. I > > want to enjoy my sewing and it is much more fun in jeans, T-shirt > > and no makeup. When I am sewing for myself, a light cotton duster > > works better so I can try on though. > > Lalah Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 06:08:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11236 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:08:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EAAFL23626; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:10:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EAAFp02591; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:10:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9j7p27238 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAA0U2XWW0040GR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:44:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAA0JNVPA004Y44@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:44:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:39:57 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:39:41 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:39:35 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials(WAS: What's your favourite....) 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 06:08:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11244 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:08:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EAAIL23641; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:10:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EAAHp02615; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:10:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9uJp29542 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:56:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAAEXSBKG003YWE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:56:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAAEWM85I005KJ1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:56:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:51:31 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:51:26 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:51:25 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials In-reply-to: <20020813180009.6028.7523.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47A8D4B61BA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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In-reply-to: <20020813180009.6028.7523.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47A61820991@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:41:06 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > If you hide behind the fabric, he can't get you! If she hides in *my* fabric stash she may never be seen again! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 06:08:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11252 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:08:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EAATL23670; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EAAMp02650; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:10:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9n2p28017 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAA5V84KG0060MM@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:49:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAA5QQE40006ICI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:48:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:44:11 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:43:19 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:43:14 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-reply-to: <20020813180009.6028.7523.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47A6AAE10E6@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 06:13:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11261 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:13:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EAF5L23833; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:15:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EAF4p03728; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:15:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7E9w4p29899 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:58:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814095804.90041.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:58:04 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <47A468C4062@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:58:04 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > > Great pictures. I didn't know Teddy had such beautiful blue > > eyes. Wow! Great surcote too. > > I hate them. I;ve always seen them as grey and I *hate* grey or > anything close to a grey-shade. *checks the piccies again* They don't look grey to me, they look blue-greyish at the most, but not just grey, they are actually very nice, I agree with Lalah. 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Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 06:13:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11265 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:13:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EAFDL23845; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EAFBp03766; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:15:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9xOp00277 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:59:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAAIQV36O005ZRE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:59:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAAIQ94Z6006ICI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:59:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:54:36 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:53:45 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:53:38 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellow! (WAS: UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up!) In-reply-to: <20020813194301.4420.63861.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47A97242EC8@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:53:37 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Teddy, you would LOVE the yellow brocade I got from velvetfabric.com. > It isn't just yellow, it's screaming neon yellow. It gives me a > headache just looking at it. > > Maybe I'll dye it orange! It sounds scrummy as it is - make it up into something trimmed in a bright -childrens painbox colour - green. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 06:13:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11269 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:13:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EAFFL23852; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EAFEp03791; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:15:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EA5vp01691 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:05:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814100557.99677.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:05:57 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000501c242a5$a4896520$eb0586d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:05:57 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Helen Partner wrote: > Morning All, > > Sorry I couldn't make it on Saturday - I had one fractious baby to deal > with, and several drowned rats and one very muddy old Labrador to deal with! > Coupled with a fridge and a cooker not working...boo hoo, it was all to > much! Glad you had a nice time, tho'. How was it, "sausage side"? I > didn't even make it off the plastic site :-( Oh I'm so sorry Helen! What a nightmare. I hope the next event you go to will be super fun instead! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 06:25:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11311 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:25:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EARLL24176; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EARKp06494; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:27:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EA3Yp01195 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:03:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814100334.28996.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:03:34 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mud at Kirbby (WAS: Renaissance Faires in the U.S.) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <47A54D101F7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:03:34 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > > guys towed my car off in the middle of the night. My car looks cool > > now, like a ralley car! COMPLETELY covered in mud, it even went over > > the roof. > > I forsee a visit to a car-wash..... Actually, it is that bad, and I kid you not, that it has to go in for valeting. I have an inch of mud INSIDE the pasenger and driver seat and inches (!) stuck underneath the car nicely baked up in the sun right now and interspersed with straw and stone bits. Right now though it's fun, people get out of my way because my car looks like a madwoman's ralley car! > > Nicole - pondering a t-shirt 'I survived the mud in Kirby hall 2003' > > Yes please! I have 3 shoes that need a thorough washing as they > ended up full of liquid mud on different trips to the portaloos... so > that's three pairs of shoes out of action until they're cleaned and > dried! Urgh, I didn't realise we don't even have 2003 yet, hehehee, and at the same time I happily told everyone I was 32 while my mum reminded me yesterday on the phone that hey, actually, I'm apparently 33. *LMAO* As Sue suggested, I think I'll go for 'I survived the mud in Kirby Hell 2002' we just have to find a nice EH in hell piccie now *G* Nicole - call me wannabe-devil ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 06:25:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11316 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:25:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EARVL24186; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:27:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EARVp06540; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:27:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EA1Xp00802 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:01:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAALDE34W005PZ3@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAALCBE60006ICI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:56:43 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:55:43 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:55:39 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials In-reply-to: <20020813194301.4420.63861.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47A9F9508C1@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 06:30:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11337 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:30:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EAW3L24322; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EAW1p07512; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EAFCp03775 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAB215HK0006V79@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:14:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAB1TXYI0005KJ1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:14:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:10:02 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:09:46 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:09:40 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [H-cost] Pleats In-reply-to: <20020814001002.24997.96585.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47ADB8E79F6@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 06:38:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11354 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:38:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EAeEL24513; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EAe8p09312; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EAPVp06093 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:25:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb03la (unverified [10.1.200.104]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:20:58 -0700 thread-index: AcJDfEgziMgq6N3zSyG3N6Xg+HLDQw== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! Message-ID: <060e01c2437c$48334340$0ec8a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_060F_01C24341.9BD46B40" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:20:58 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_060F_01C24341.9BD46B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Teddy, same as me - I _know_ I've got grey eyes but everyone else seems to think they're blue. But I thought your eyes were nice! Just a thought - you did check the Opera House costumes for damp/infestations didn't you? It occurred to me that as they were selling to get more storage space, the ones being sold were perhaps the ones from the back, in the dark, against walls and on the floor.... Freyalyn _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Teddy > Sent: 8/14/2002 6:38:48 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! > > > Great pictures. I didn't know Teddy had such beautiful blue > eyes. Wow! Great surcote too. > > I hate them. I;ve always seen them as grey and I *hate* grey or > anything close to a grey-shade. > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_060F_01C24341.9BD46B40 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Teddy, same as me - I _know_ I've got grey eyes but everyone else seems to think they're blue.

But I thought your eyes were nice!

Just a thought - you did check the Opera House costumes for damp/infestations didn't you? It occurred to me that as they were selling to get more storage space, the ones being sold were perhaps the ones from the back, in the dark, against walls and on the floor....

Freyalyn


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> From: Teddy
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> To: h-costume@indra.com
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> Great pictures. I didn't know Teddy had such beautiful blue
> eyes. Wow! Great surcote too.
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> I hate them. I;ve always seen them as grey and I *hate* grey or
> anything close to a grey-shade.
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------=_NextPart_000_060F_01C24341.9BD46B40-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 07:04:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11423 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:04:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EB62L25481; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EB60p15639; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EArPp12517 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLACEGEXIO004YPG@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:53:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLACDS7VD800672F@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:52:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:48:11 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:47:21 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:47:15 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats In-reply-to: <20020814001002.24997.96585.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47B7BE00700@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:47:15 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > > No, I do it this way too, and I'm a mathematician! On the other > > > hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can never > > > seem to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull > > > the skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone > > > have a foolproof method for this one? > > > > Yep, don't use gathering threads - just pin either end, and then > > middle (between those first two pins) and keep pining the middle > > between the pins until you get the entire thing pinned to the waist > > in equal "pleats" which you can then sew down, taking each pin out > > as you go. > > > > I'm not quite sure I see how you can pin cartridge pleats. Or do you > just pin the fabric flat and then pull it up into pleats as you go? You pin the fabric between each pleat... erm.. lessee if i can be clearer. Take your flat, unpleated length of skirt. With right sides together, match up one end of the waist edge with the corresponding end of the waistband (or bodice waist-edge) Pin it in place Repeat for the other end of the waist-of-skirt to the waistband Find the middle of the skirt waist and pin it to the middle of the waistband Find the middle points between those pins and pin the skirt and waistband together. Keep pinning at the middle point between each pair of pins already in place until you have a series of evenly spaced pins with the excess fabric mounded up between them (these mounds are your pleats) and these pleats look the right size for the effect you are trying to achieve. Sew pleats to waistband edge. If you wish to stabilize the pleats, sew a line of tape or strong thread to the top of each mound/pleat before taking the pins out. Voila - even cartridge pleats without the maths or worrying about length of gathering stitches. Does this help? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 07:04:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11427 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:04:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EB6AL25496; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:06:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EB69p15690; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:06:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EB4Dp15000 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLACRXSJ7K002USA@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:04:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLACRW2W8S00624P@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:04:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:59:15 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:58:16 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:58:08 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellow! (WAS: UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up!) In-reply-to: <20020814045440.21065.46893.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47BAA821F16@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:58:08 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > *blink, blink* > Do they have more? It sounds like it'd be perfectly, screamingly > eye-popping if I made a surcoat out of it, and wore it over the > lipstick/baboon's-butt hot-pink wool fitted gown I'm going to make > one of these days. I want to save for those special, special > mornings at camping events when the neighbors parties *way* too > late and loud--sort of a hangover revenge dress, as I don't drink > much.... --sue Go for it Sue! Teddy (who had the same problem with the other residents at the student hall when at University but who got revenge by being an early riser who played loud Doris Day songs while making breakfast and preparing to leave for class and ignored requests to turn it down or off) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 07:12:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11441 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:12:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EBEEL25770; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:14:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBEDp17892; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:14:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EB56p15377 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:05:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLACT6VO1C0066Y0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:05:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLACT4UEN000672F@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:05:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:00:15 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:59:48 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:59:40 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials In-reply-to: <20020814045440.21065.46893.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47BB1075407@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 07:21:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11468 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:21:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EBN2L26066; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBN1p19982; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EB69p15688 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:06:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AA558AB0246; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:09:09 -0500 Message-ID: <015601c24382$8e884560$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Casting Call Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:05:53 -0400 Status: RO Just heard this one on the radio: Casting call: http://www.wtvr.com/Global/story.asp?s=884635 They are needing all types but especially men with facial hair. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 07:33:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11525 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:33:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EBZ9L26501; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBZ8p22612; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:35:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EBM3p19744 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814112203.9690.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:22:03 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <47B7BE00700@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:22:03 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > *snippage* > Voila - even cartridge pleats without the maths or worrying about > length of gathering stitches. > > > Does this help? Oh yes I understand it now! Super idea/method, thanks ever so much Teddy, and I used to hate doing all the silly stitch-stitch-pullthread-stitch-stitch Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 07:33:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11560 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:33:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EBZLL26522; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:35:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBZJp22644; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EB9Hp16608 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:09:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLACY7MFV4001S0P@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:09:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLACY6ACRS00624P@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:09:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:04:19 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:03:57 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:03:56 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party In-reply-to: <20020814045440.21065.46893.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47BC2B718FB@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 07:33:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11565 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:33:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EBZRL26535; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:35:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBZPp22687; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:35:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBBHp17179 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:11:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAD0R2OY8005CSM@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:11:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAD0O6VQA005Q67@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:11:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:06:20 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:05:45 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:05:40 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help needed on sleeves. In-reply-to: <20020814045440.21065.46893.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47BCA736BCD@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:05:40 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I am in the process of beading under sleeves for a Elizabethan > gown. The sleeves have two seams. There is petite trim on the > seams. My problem is do I bead the whole sleeve or just the top > part. I've looked at pictures for guidance but can't find one > picture that clearly shows the whole sleeve beaded or narrow > sleeves with seams and beaded. The narrow sleeves are detachable > from the bodice which have a short capped puffed sleeve. Any help > will be greatly appreciated. Bead any part that will be visible when worn (i.e. the entire sleeve ecxept the bit that is hidden inside the cap sleeve.) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 07:33:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11571 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:33:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EBZWL26550; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:35:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBZSp22709; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:35:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBD8p17673 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:13:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAD37Z7QO005ZRE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:13:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAD37LCKA00624P@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:13:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:08:22 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:08:04 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:07:56 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <20020814045440.21065.46893.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47BD44B5AC4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:07:56 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Teddy, > > It appears that after I suggested Penny as the model, you received > several "votes" I think we have to dress you both. OK, Penny, you'd better come over here so we can go through my stash and choose the fabrics we want to be dressed in... I warn you, however, if you choose the yellow spandex with the flocked orange flowers all over it I'll cry. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 07:33:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11573 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:33:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EBZcL26564; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:35:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBZXp22751; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:35:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBF8p18138 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:15:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAD5OJTB4003YWE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:15:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAD5O3IJS00624P@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:15:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:10:21 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:10:03 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:09:57 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Swagger coat (WAS: Rules for Sewing (1949)) In-reply-to: <20020814045440.21065.46893.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47BDCBB3025@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:09:57 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Oops.. I meant to specify its for a women. Its has fullness added to > the back and side but not split and the front meets edge to edge not > overlapping. Its a puzzle. Sounds like a swing coat to me. Full from the shoulder, not fitted into the waist. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 07:33:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11572 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:33:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EBZXL26555; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBZVp22731; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:35:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBEQp17961 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D04B10F1F6 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B86410F1D1 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01ef01c24383$bc5cf2a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <47A61820991@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials(WAS: What's your favourite....) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:14:19 -0400 Status: RO > > If she hides in *my* fabric stash she may never be seen again! > > > > Teddy > But what a way to go!! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 07:38:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11608 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:38:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EBe3L26805; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBe1p23904; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBOhp20360 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:24:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016B910F19C for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CF4A10F1EA for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <025401c24385$2c0f0b50$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <47BB1075407@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:24:36 -0400 Status: RO (choke) Teddy, you come over here and clean up the coffee I just spewed on my monitor. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials > > > You know, I'm going to *be* in London in just a couple of > > weeks....Robin, you send me his address, and we'll sneak over > > there while he's at work.... --sue, thinking a cross-Atlantic > > fabric raid might be kinda fun! ;-P > > No fair! Ganging up on poor defenseless little Evil-Bunnys wot > never did anybody no harm.... ever! > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 07:46:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11697 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:46:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EBm9L27063; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:48:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBm8p25741; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBW4p21839 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLADQNWB2O005ZRE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:32:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLADQNJYJ6005Q67@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:32:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:27:16 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:26:42 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:26:39 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby mud. In-reply-to: <20020814093619.23019.40359.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47C23D41AA4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:26:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > It took us over an hour to get out of the carpark, which just > immediately turned into a quagmire. Everytime we managed to get > going the (completely useless) carpark stewards would stop us to > let others through, and the car sank!! That doesn't surprise me at all! Glad you enjoyed the event anyway. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 07:50:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11727 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:50:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EBqML27176; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBqLp26686; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:52:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBQ9p20629 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLADJAU4Y8005YWC@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:26:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLADJ9HNQ8005Q67@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:26:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:21:19 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:20:46 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:20:42 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-reply-to: <20020814093619.23019.40359.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47C0A7B1A96@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:20:42 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > In my household the rule of thumb has always been... "You may only > bother me if you can show me a lot of blood or a bone sticking out of > your body that shouldn't be... and it better be a big bone." Funny, > my kids don't bother me when I am sewing. A friend of mine had oneo fher kids do that to her. She was cooking them a meal before she put them in the already loaded car (finally built up the nerve to leave her husband) and one of the kids, quite calmly, told her he thought hi might have broken his wrist. Thinking he was exagerating a minor scrape she turned around to be faced with the blood and visible end of the broken bone sticking out.... so the car was used for the hospital run and her husband was home on leave by the time the child was well enough to be released to go home.... took her until they were at university to get up the nerve again to leave him. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 08:45:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15956 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:45:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7ECl4L28924; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ECl2p09582; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7ECgbp08294 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCi6JrDxtHXePrTMf+xJXlQRiQO3s3cMBrA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G963LRJ6; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:41:48 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials Message-ID: <20020814.074134.-871145.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:41:34 -0500 Status: RO On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:51:25 +0000 (GMT) Teddy writes: I can just hear you saying that, my dear! Karen > "Darling, call pest-contol. We have an infestation of costumers in > the fabric stash!" > > > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 08:45:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15961 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:45:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EClHL28943; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:47:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EClGp09639; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ECikp08923 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:44:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a251.in-tch.com [66.62.107.51]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7ECUV920490 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:30:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5A5221.59A65499@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? References: <47BD44B5AC4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:50:41 -0600 Status: RO Ooooooh, Teddy, wouldja wanna sell it to me? I have someone here in the States who'd just love it..... --sue Teddy wrote: > > OK, Penny, you'd better come over here so we can go through my > stash and choose the fabrics we want to be dressed in... I warn > you, however, if you choose the yellow spandex with the flocked > orange flowers all over it I'll cry. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 08:53:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16010 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:53:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7ECtLL29280; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:55:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ECtJp11825; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:55:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7ECgbp08293 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCi6JrDxtHXePrTMf+xJXlQRiQO3s3cMBrA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G963LRJ6; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:41:48 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials Message-ID: <20020814.074134.-871145.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:41:34 -0500 Status: RO On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:51:25 +0000 (GMT) Teddy writes: I can just hear you saying that, my dear! Karen > "Darling, call pest-contol. We have an infestation of costumers in > the fabric stash!" > > > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 08:57:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16042 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:57:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7ECxYL29452; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:59:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ECxXp12852; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:59:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7ECjep09168 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:45:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCi6JrDxtHXePnBwdnaiaOkeHH1StslaFRQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G963SB2T; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:44:51 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials Message-ID: <20020814.074438.-871145.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-21 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:44:37 -0500 Status: RO There, there little Evil Bunny! Everything will be just fine. You can come over to my house and hide in MY fabric stash. But *shhhh*, don't tell the rest of h-cost because my stash is actually much bigger than yours and is much closer to most of them. Karen On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:59:40 +0000 (GMT) Teddy writes: > No fair! Ganging up on poor defenseless little Evil-Bunnys wot > never did anybody no harm.... ever! > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 08:57:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16046 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:57:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7ECxcL29460; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:59:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ECxcp12895; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:59:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7ECjep09169 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:45:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCi6JrDxtHXePnBwdnaiaOkeHH1StslaFRQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G963SB2T; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:44:51 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials Message-ID: <20020814.074438.-871145.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-21 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:44:37 -0500 Status: RO There, there little Evil Bunny! Everything will be just fine. You can come over to my house and hide in MY fabric stash. But *shhhh*, don't tell the rest of h-cost because my stash is actually much bigger than yours and is much closer to most of them. Karen On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:59:40 +0000 (GMT) Teddy writes: > No fair! Ganging up on poor defenseless little Evil-Bunnys wot > never did anybody no harm.... ever! > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 09:14:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16108 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:14:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EDGBL00290; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDGAp17502; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:16:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ECmap10086 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:48:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a251.in-tch.com [66.62.107.51]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7ECYM921349 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5A5308.4151D497@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellow! (WAS: UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up!) References: <47BAA821F16@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:54:32 -0600 Status: RO Ooooh....Doris Day would be *perfect* for my neighbors here at home...I live in this little cul-de-sac (5 trailers/houses), and some of them party like they obviously don't have to get up and check their email and go to work in the morning! I'd pondered "Flight of the Valkyries" or something from Pink Floyd myself..... --Sue Teddy wrote: > > > Teddy > (who had the same problem with the other residents at the student > hall when at University but who got revenge by being an early riser > who played loud Doris Day songs while making breakfast and > preparing to leave for class and ignored requests to turn it down or > off) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 09:14:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16112 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:14:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EDGJL00309; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:16:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDGJp17582; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:16:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from spielberg.vip.uk.com (spielberg.vip.uk.com [194.176.218.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ECt7p11782 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:55:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-245-61-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.61.245] helo=default) by spielberg.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #2) id 17exfz-0004GX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:55:03 +0100 Message-ID: <009401c24391$1b5b91a0$f53d3c3e@default> From: "tracey.bradshaw" To: References: <005a01c242e4$25ed98a0$0b773c3e@default> <01af01c242f1$5459ad70$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0091_01C24399.7B63F1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:49:59 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C24399.7B63F1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable im looking for a 13th century female costume, im pretty new to all this, = including sewing but i'll have a go at anything tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dianne and Greg Stucki=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval Tracey A lot of us do medieval clothing. What exactly do you need? Dianne ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tracey.bradshaw=20 To: h-costume@net.indra.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] medieval hi all=20 does anyone on this list make medieval clothes (not to buy) for such = as re-enactment purposes tracey ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C24399.7B63F1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
im looking for a 13th century female = costume, im=20 pretty new to all this, including sewing but i'll have a go at=20 anything
 
tracey
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dianne = and Greg=20 Stucki
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 = 6:46=20 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] = medieval

Tracey
 
A lot of us do medieval clothing. = What exactly do=20 you need?
 
Dianne
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 tracey.bradshaw =
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, = 2002 12:11=20 PM
Subject: [h-cost] = medieval

hi all
 
does anyone on this list make = medieval clothes=20 (not to buy) for such as re-enactment purposes
 
tracey
------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C24399.7B63F1C0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 09:19:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16130 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:19:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EDL3L00545; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDL2p19184; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ED8rp15390 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:08:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a251.in-tch.com [66.62.107.51]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7ECsc926452 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5A57C8.4E389723@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials References: <20020814.074438.-871145.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:14:48 -0600 Status: RO So...Karen....(Sue says innocently, while casually whistling)....just where *do* you live? ladedadeda....I'm innocent, I am.....not huntin' no fabric I'm not.....nosireeee.........lalalalala...... --sue seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > There, there little Evil Bunny! Everything will be just fine. You can > come over to my house and hide in MY fabric stash. But *shhhh*, don't > tell the rest of h-cost because my stash is actually much bigger than > yours and is much closer to most of them. > > Karen > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:59:40 +0000 (GMT) Teddy writes: > > > No fair! Ganging up on poor defenseless little Evil-Bunnys wot > > never did anybody no harm.... ever! > > > > Teddy > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 09:27:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16157 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:27:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EDT8L00979; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDT7p21819; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:29:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EDFGp17234 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:15:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814131516.7156.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:15:16 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] 'Bloomers' write-up Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:15:16 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Ladies, remember the discussion we had on underwear when wearing costume? I am one of these people who never ever wear skirts in un-costumed life and can't stand thighs touching each other. Well, after the heatstroke in Hounslow I figured I had to do something. I suddenly remmebered the Laughing Moon Victorian corset pattern that I have and lo and behold there is a pattern for crotchless Victorian bloomers in it. I made them from nice soft linen and I can only say it changed my costumed life! Fully dressed in mantua with long train and all the bits and bobs I made it safely in and out the portaloos. I highly recommend this solution for all who, like me, can't stand rubbing thighs, the bloomers wear just like normal ones. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 09:35:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16185 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:35:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EDc1L01474; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDc0p24910; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDL8p19242 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:21:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-114-44.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.114.44]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJM24234; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:22:00 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <001c01c24396$8d68b480$2c724ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2439E.EC6DAE60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:28:56 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2439E.EC6DAE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable see www.walpurgis.co.uk for some ideas Mel ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2439E.EC6DAE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
see www.walpurgis.co.uk for some=20 ideas
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2439E.EC6DAE60-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 09:48:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16219 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:48:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EDoAL02153; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDo9p28911; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:50:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDQ7p20841 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAHPRR39S006KM9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:25:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAHMSHGV6006JTU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:23:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:18:43 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:18:14 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:18:06 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats In-reply-to: <20020814124716.9566.37504.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47DFFBE6F49@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:18:06 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Oh yes I understand it now! Super idea/method, thanks ever so much > Teddy, and I used to hate doing all the silly > stitch-stitch-pullthread-stitch-stitch > > Nicole Thank Danielle. She put me on to it when she was making her kirtle in January. It's similar tot he method I ise for other pelating and gathers but I'd never thought of doing cartridge pleatrs without the gathering thread so hadn't thought to apply the method to them. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 09:49:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16224 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:49:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EDohL02229; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDoZp29116; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDSgp21704 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:28:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAHPRR39S006KM9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:28:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAHPD80T4005T8A@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:25:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:20:47 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:20:03 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:19:54 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials In-reply-to: <20020814124716.9566.37504.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47E077C41EE@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 09:49:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16225 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:49:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EDoZL02209; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDoWp29086; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:50:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDRKp21240 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAHJU2YF4005DS6@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:27:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAHHSC038006JTU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:19:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:14:40 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:13:52 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:13:49 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! In-reply-to: <20020814124716.9566.37504.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47DED18703A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:13:49 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Teddy, same as me - I _know_ I've got grey eyes but everyone else > seems to think they're blue. > > But I thought your eyes were nice! Awwww Thanks > Just a thought - you did check the Opera House costumes for > damp/infestations didn't you? It occurred to me that as they were > selling to get more storage space, the ones being sold were > perhaps the ones from the back, in the dark, against walls and on > the floor.... If they weren't damp befroe Kirby, there sure as thingy were after.... Seriously though, I reckon a run through the drycleaners will sort most things (though the fur collar and turnbacks on the surcote may be a problem there... hmmm...) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 09:49:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16231 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:49:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EDoVL02195; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:50:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDoTp29042; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:50:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDRDp21210 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAHR6L38G003YWE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:27:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAHQOE8G2006JTU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:26:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:21:52 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:21:12 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:21:05 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials In-reply-to: <20020814124716.9566.37504.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47E0C684F0F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:21:05 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I can just hear you saying that, my dear! Some people on this list probably know me too darned well... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 09:49:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16235 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:49:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EDojL02234; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:51:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDocp29146; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:50:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDUGp22181 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAHT2N5R4002IXX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:30:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAHRZECWG005T8A@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:27:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:22:54 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:22:41 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:22:37 +0000 From: Teddy In-reply-to: <20020814124716.9566.37504.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47E12BC145F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1187 - 18 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:22:37 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Ooooooh, Teddy, wouldja wanna sell it to me? I have someone here > in the States who'd just love it..... But that's where it came from in the first place (gift from a mad costuming friend in the Boston area)........ and some day I might get a flat enough tum to start wearign body-suits again! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 10:18:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16379 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:18:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EEK5L04386; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:20:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EEK2p10393; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EE5Up04600 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:05:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust244.tnt2.myrtle-beach.sc.da.uu.net ([67.240.11.244] helo=faucet.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17eym9-0000mO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:05:30 -0700 Message-ID: <3D5A710D.15D6065B@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <468C27C6257@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <018501c242f0$d9551010$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> <3D59A870.1212ACED@in-tch.com> <005701c2432d$0d06bd50$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] hangover revenge (was: UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up!) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:02:37 -0500 Status: RO Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > Oooh, a hangover revenge gown---now WHY didn't I think of that? I don't > drink much either, how perfect! My friend Grace has a hangover revenge cloak made from fabric she got off of the bargain table. It's wool, but it's a bright purple and yellow small check which swims before the eyes of even sober, non-hungover folk. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 10:39:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16469 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:39:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EEfBL06216; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:41:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EEfAp19496; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:41:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EEGxp09004 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:16:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814141658.40872.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:16:58 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Cry for help from Apollonia Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:16:58 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Could someone help? Apollonia got blocked from the list, I believe someone from her server has been spamming, poor her! Nicole --- Apollonia Margherita wrote: > From: "Apollonia Margherita" > To: > Subject: Fw: Blocked help h-cost > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:45:56 -0400 > > Nicole, > > Can you send this through to the appropriate people. My mail is blocked > from the list and from the admin. I didn't spam anyone! > > Apollonia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Apollonia Margherita" > To: "Elizabeth Lear" > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:37 AM > Subject: Blocked help h-cost > > > > I cannot send anything to the list, as it says emails from my domain are > > blocked due to spamming. Help! > > > > Apollonia > > > > > ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 11:01:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16566 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EF39L08172; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:03:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EF37p00532; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:03:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from caerthe.org (ms2.webminders.com [216.198.234.194] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EEkNp21946 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200208141048.AA10027482@caerthe.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Melanie Unruh-Bays" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Applique questions X-Mailer: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:48:55 -0400 Status: RO ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Sue Clemenger Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:11:02 -0600 >It might help us give you better advice, if you were more specific about >what you're making, it's intended time frame, etc. Yah, well... I was trying to avoid "SCA-speak", but what the heck... I'm working on a heraldic tabard for the local SCA group. It's for "court" rather than "field" use, and is made of damask, so it's pretty ravelly. The appliques are pretty simple - an embattled chief and the requisite laurel wreath. I'm using illums found in Neubecker of a parade from the reign on Henry VIII as the primary source for the shape of the tabard. Good pix are available at the bottom of http://sca-garb.freeservers.com/articles/tabards.html if you'd like to take a look. I'm one-a them authenticity mavins, don'cha know, and I intend to make this as close to the real thing as possible. All the suggestions (and that yummy picture) so far have been great, and I'm very appreciative. I'll be orthering the Medieval Embroiders book, but I don't expect to see it for a week or so. At this moment, I'm leaning toward couching. Melanie (or Eirene, if you like) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 11:01:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16571 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EF3OL08207; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:03:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EF3Np00701; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:03:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EEpAp24286 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:51:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA97740 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:51:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-Reply-To: <47A7DCC4E85@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I can see it now: a new association. Nude Sewers Anonymous. I always thought there was something slightly off about the NSA... Drea On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Teddy wrote: > > > Clothes? What clothes? It's rare that I'm ever more than half > > dressed when sewing. Admit it, you know you do it to... ;) > > I have to wear *something* The sewing room has a huge window > looking out onto the street and I haven't wasted any fabrioc on > curtains, so whatever happens in that room is visible to passers by > less than three feet away.... So shorts are my usual nod towards > not offending the neighbours (not that we don't do that to some of > them simply by exisitng!) > > > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 11:09:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16605 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:09:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EFBTL09007; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:11:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EFBSp04901; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EEsNp25904 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:54:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814145422.23695.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:54:22 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume , List Kirbyhall , Lagedor ListSmartgroups MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Kirby Hall photos of the Grand Parade on Sunday Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:54:22 +0100 (BST) Status: RO http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/Temp/Kirby/kirby.htm Enjoy! (the web location is temporary, I slapped it onto my faculty's site...) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 11:13:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16637 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:13:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EFFdL09433; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EFFcp07058; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:15:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe28.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EF0Gp28871 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:00:11 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020813223531.00e5dab0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 15:00:11.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[49AD2750:01C243A3] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:00:49 -0500 Status: RO > One good thing about having been a Hippie is that I never got into > the whole makeup thing. (The bad news is it makes me just a little too > young for Swing Dancing, really big right now among the folks who weren't > born at the time.) Too young for swing dancing?? What do you mean? That you were to young to dance at the time it was popular, or that you're too young to dance now? Oh, and as we're talking about that period, I might as well ask... Is there another pattern than the Vogue one for a Zoot suit? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 11:14:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16642 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:14:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EFFpL09474; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:15:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EFFmp07155; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EEs0p25667 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA97746 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:53:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats In-Reply-To: <20020814073947.72252.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Oh, and have you figured out how to do the tiny minuscule and oh so absolutely > perfect pleating/gathering in linen garments? I just never mnage to make it > look like that! I do mini-cartridge-pleats. Basically run three rows of gathering stitches, making sure they're very even and all go in and out of the fabric at the same place. then gather them up, and lay the gathers flat, using a needle slipped inside the pleats to adjust them and make sure they are all parallel. I think these are called "stroked pleats", but I'm not sure. Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 11:26:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16702 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:26:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EFS5L10637; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:28:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EFS3p14175; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EFBep05007 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814151140.26593.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:11:40 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Applique questions To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208141048.AA10027482@caerthe.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:11:40 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Melanie Unruh-Bays wrote: > > http://sca-garb.freeservers.com/articles/tabards.html if you'd like to take a > look. I'm one-a them authenticity mavins, don'cha know, and I intend to make > this as close to the real thing as possible. Oh, that reminds me of the Black prince tabard. I work in Canterbury an if you work for Christ Church Uni College you get a pass that means I can nip onto the Cathedral precincts whenever I want to. I could have a look at the reconstruction and the original of the Black Prince' tabard in the cathedral, maybe I can get a glimpse of how it's done. can't take piccies though, gotta pay for that privilege as well (and the tourists have to pay entrance fee). Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 11:35:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16760 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:35:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EFb4L11712; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EFb2p19395; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EFM5p10851 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:22:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814152205.50507.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:22:05 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:22:05 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Drea Leed wrote: > > > I do mini-cartridge-pleats. Basically run three rows of gathering > stitches, making sure they're very even and all go in and out of the > fabric at the same place. then gather them up, and lay the gathers flat, > using a needle slipped inside the pleats to adjust them and make sure they > are all parallel. > > I think these are called "stroked pleats", but I'm not sure. Ahhhh! *light switches on above head* Now I see... I have thisgreat book on all kinds of pleats and gathers and whatever else one can do with fabric, but I just didn't ever mnage to make it look like the originals. What she described as stroked pleats didn't work out, I tried it, it makes perfect sense though when they are mini cartridges. thanks rea, I'll do that next time! That reminds me, how do you then stitch it on though? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 11:47:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16800 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:47:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EFnCL13018; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:49:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EFnBp26172; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:49:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EFWSp16700 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:32:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip206.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.206]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7EFWEo11033 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:32:14 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats Message-ID: <3D5A17FE.2551.220BC75@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020814073947.72252.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D58E9F0.3311.8974240@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:42:38 -0700 Status: RO > Uhm... since the Davenport book is one of teh very few I don't have > (yet) I can't quite picture this and am intrigued (sounds so very > useful!) any chance of an image perhaps? Sorry, this is from attachment impaired me (unless you have Pegasus as your mailer. I can send them to Teddy since he seems to have the same mailer.) > > > I don't like my gathering threads seen, so I use a method called > > "side draw" rather than the one often seen which can be called > > "center draw". There are advantages and disadvantages to each, but I > > still prefer side draw. > > I don't understand the side draw, haven't heard of it, please do > explain! Oh, and have you figured out how to do the tiny minuscule and > oh so absolutely perfect pleating/gathering in linen garments? I just > never mnage to make it look like that! With side draw the stitches are at the bottom of the pleat. So, when you are doing it, you do them twice as far apart and take a tiny stitch, instead of going in one side of the pleat and out the other. For doing ultra small pleats in linen I set them up first by putting them through a smocking pleater. ;) Then I sew them by hand, tiny pleat by tiny pleat. They come out looking like the pleats in the later Durer self-portrait instead of the disordered ones of his earlier self-portrait. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 12:00:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16890 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:00:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EG24L14255; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EG22p03642; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EFnLp26261 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:49:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30533 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:51:25 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats In-Reply-To: <006501c24378$10bfd8a0$8bc3adcb@michaela> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:51:25 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, michaela wrote: > > > long way from the area it is sewn to. It's one of the reasons why, > > > for some garments, they sewed in rings on the inside with a tape > > > running through the rings to hold the pleats in shape. (For an > > > example see Milia Davenport's _Book of Costume_ where she > > > shows the inside of military bases.) > > I don't know if there is one online showing it too clearly, but Teddy did > show us an online image of a bloke lying on his back (not looking too > distressed considering he's probably rather close to dying) having fallen > from his horse (?) I've seen that picture in person, and after very close study came to the conclusion that the ties were sewn down at intervals, not passing through rings. A friend who was with me said, "Oh, look at the ring! You can see that one clearly!" But when I moved my head so I could catch the light on the surface of the painting, I saw that what she thought was the tiny line indicating a ring was actually a crackle in the surface of the painting. I don't know which picture in Davenport the first poster was referring to. (Figure number?) However, as Michaela mentioned in her reply, in Blanche Payne's book, there is a picture of extant bases from the 16th c. at the Metropolitan Museum (fig. 288), and also a pattern draft (as Michaela noted, the pattern drafts are only in the first edition, 1965). Payne refers to two parallel lines of "braid" or "tape" used to hold the folds in place from the back. She doesn't mention rings that I can find, either in the description or on the pattern, and I think she would have if they were there. She does give dimensions for the length of the pleated section at the level of each tape, so whether there are rings or not, the tape is of a fixed length, not something drawn up and let loose as needed. (It makes more sense to me for the pleats to be stitched to the tape at the desired intervals, if the idea is to keep them even.) That doesn't mean rings were never used, but I don't know of any particular evidence for them, not having examined this period. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 12:04:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16917 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:04:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EG6CL14669; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:06:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EG6Bp06098; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:06:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EFpmp27806 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:51:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAMTOZDR4005ZRE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:51:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAMTOH68G00638S@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:51:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:47:01 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:46:09 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:46:07 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials In-reply-to: <20020814150306.446.6499.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <48076F106D2@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:46:07 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > There, there little Evil Bunny! Everything will be just fine. You > can come over to my house and hide in MY fabric stash. Thanks Karen! > But *shhhh*, don't tell the rest of h-cost because my stash is > actually much bigger than yours and is much closer to most of them. OK.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 12:09:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16937 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:09:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EGB2L15177; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EGB1p08927; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EFvwp01433 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:57:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAN19W7TC006CO9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:57:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAN14Y4PK00638S@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:57:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:53:03 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:52:36 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:52:27 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] hangover revenge In-reply-to: <20020814150306.446.6499.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4809274311E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:52:27 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Oooh, a hangover revenge gown---now WHY didn't I think of that? I > > don't drink much either, how perfect! > > My friend Grace has a hangover revenge cloak made from fabric she > got off of the bargain table. It's wool, but it's a bright purple > and yellow small check which swims before the eyes of even sober, > non- hungover folk. > > > Melanie Schuessler Want one!!! I could wear it to breakfast at SF conventions! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 12:09:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16941 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:09:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EGBAL15202; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EGB9p09017; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EFswp29608 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:54:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAMXFIGXC002KTH@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:54:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAMXD593C00638S@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:54:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:49:59 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:49:37 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:49:33 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Doris Day ( WAS: Yellow!) In-reply-to: <20020814150306.446.6499.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <48085BF0391@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:49:33 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Ooooh....Doris Day would be *perfect* for my neighbors here at > home...I live in this little cul-de-sac (5 trailers/houses), and > some of them party like they obviously don't have to get up and > check their email and go to work in the morning! I'd pondered > "Flight of the Valkyries" or something from Pink Floyd myself..... I can recommend "The Very Best of Doris Day" album (now available on CD as well as tape).... Nothing like a quick burst of Hernados Hideaway or Teacher's Pet , full volume at 6a.m. to get a noisy party animal regretting so much drink and the late night before.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 12:09:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16945 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:09:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EGBEL15214; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EGBCp09054; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:11:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EG1Cp03189 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814160112.45787.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:01:12 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D5A17FE.2551.220BC75@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:01:12 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > Sorry, this is from attachment impaired me (unless you have > Pegasus as your mailer. I can send them to Teddy since he seems > to have the same mailer.) Wheehee, yes i have Pegasus at home: marquis@kipar.org > With side draw the stitches are at the bottom of the pleat. So, > when you are doing it, you do them twice as far apart and take a > tiny stitch, instead of going in one side of the pleat and out the > other. *throws hands into air* Sorry, I am 3-D impaired I just cannot picture it. Thanks for trying though. > For doing ultra small pleats in linen I set them up first by putting > them through a smocking pleater. ;) *pout* I don't have one, are they expensive? Then I sew them by hand, tiny > pleat by tiny pleat. I wouldn't mind tat at all, if I can get them to look like the originals. They come out looking like the pleats in the > later Durer self-portrait instead of the disordered ones of his earlier > self-portrait. Oh yes, that's exactly what I mean (I think), the shirt from 1640something they have of Christian IV in Rosenborg (uhm, or was it Frederiksborg?) had just those, they were fantastic, minuscule and absolutely perfect. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 12:38:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17100 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:38:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EGeAL18196; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:40:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EGe7p26275; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailcity.com (fes.mail.lycos.com [209.185.123.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EGPbp17419 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:25:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:25:05 -0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Katie Lewis" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 129.219.101.116 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Linen Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: katie_lewis@lycos.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:25:05 -0400 Status: RO On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:24:39 Robin Netherton wrote: > > >> The kirtle will be made out of medium brown linen ('cause that is what >> I've got), lined with yet more linen. I realize that there is no >> evidence for garments being made out of, as opposed to lined with, >> linen. > >...my statements about my inability to document linen for the colored >outer layer of garments (as opposed to linings and underwear) apply only >to the middle ages -- not Elizabethan. (The SCA tends to lump these >periods together, but they're really very different.) Yes, I do realize that a great deal can change in several hundred years :) > >Just making sure I didn't inadvertantly lead anyone astray. I wouldn't >want someone walking off with the message "Robin said they didn't use >linen in period." Depends what period, and where. And this is only a >hypothesis at this point anyway. Of course! And (I blush to admit) I didn't save the thread, so I didn't actually remember who said what about linen, just the general concensus that there wasn't a whole lot of data in favor of linen for outer garments. But since Drea mentioned that there actually is documentation, I will wear linen, confident in the fact that I can both be cool and comfy and maintain my status as a wacky authenticity nut :) >And even as I become surer about routine >practice, I wouldn't make an always/never statement; there could easily be >an exception somewhere. (Have I caveated enough now?) Yes, that is enough caveats :) I *do* realize that there can always be an exception, which is why I was planning on making the kirtle out of linen, a fabric which since it existed *could* (and apparently was) have been used for outer garments, rather than polyester double knit :) Thanks, Katie --- Oz: (pulls a animal craker out of box) Oh, look! Monkey! And he has a little hat. And little pants. The monkey's the only cookie animal that gets to wear clothes, you know that? So, I'm wondering, do the other cookie animals feel sorta ripped? Like, is the hippo going, 'Hey, man, where are *my* pants? I have my hippo dignity!' And you know the monkey's just, (with a French accent) 'I mock you with my monkey pants!' Willow: The monkey is French? Oz: All monkeys are French. You didn't know that? __________________________________________________________ Outgrown your current e-mail service? Get a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and No Taglines with LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 12:38:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17104 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:38:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EGeSL18230; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EGeQp26492; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EGCap09789 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:12:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p54.directcon.net [209.79.209.103]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g7EGCAAI021276; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:12:11 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020814091720.012280b0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-Reply-To: References: <47A7DCC4E85@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:17:20 -0700 Status: RO At 10:51 AM 08/14/2002 -0400, Drea Leed wrote: >I can see it now: a new association. > >Nude Sewers Anonymous. > >I always thought there was something slightly off about the NSA... > > I was doing some Web surfing the other day and came across SCA.recovery.org. I thought, "what a great service to the community! Where were they 15 years ago when I needed them?" Then I found out it was Sexual Compulsives Anonymous. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 12:55:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17168 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:55:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EGvGL19938; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EGvEp06486; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:57:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EGgcp27781 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:42:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Wed Aug 14 11:42:35 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:42:36 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Who supplies the material Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:42:31 -0500 Status: RO > > If you hide behind the fabric, he can't get you! > > And it's really soft and cozy and warm in here, too. "Darling, call pest-contol. We have an infestation of costumers in the fabric stash!" Teddy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This made me snort coffee all over my screen as my cartoon theater tried to imagine this. I think Robin and Nicole could easily handle the Orkin (American pest-control company) Man, especially if hiding behind a particularly prime bit of stash. He would be running in terror :)! Catherine PS: Teddy; grey eyes are best, they pick up all the other colors so you don't need colored contacts if you want to change your 'look'. And I agree, your eyes are very nice :). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 13:00:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17196 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:00:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EH21L20396; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EH20p09262; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EGmZp01407 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:48:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Wed Aug 14 11:48:32 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:48:33 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:48:24 -0500 Status: RO > Clothes? What clothes? It's rare that I'm ever more than half > dressed when sewing. Admit it, you know you do it to... ;) Since my workroom is in a partially finished basement (stone foundation) I am usually dressed in layers, even in the summer as it tends to be a bit cool. Yes, this is a pain if I am doing a lot of fitting but I find trying to operate a sewing machine shivering from cold to be a bit hazardous to my health, fingers in particular :). I have a friend who is a nudist who always sews in the nude (unless he has a none nudist friend visiting). He started sewing on an old treadle machine out on his front porch in the country. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 13:12:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17303 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:12:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EHEGL21601; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:14:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EHEFp16709; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:14:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.boston.juno.com (m28.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EH1Ap08747 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWr/66FiaQjpu0FsG3xSkyc+WJsgtiGWMKA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G97JDPCD; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:00:05 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! Message-ID: <20020814.125736.-344245.2.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:16:23 -0400 Status: RO Oh my Teddy, how can you call your eyes grey? The are the most beautiful soft blue in the picture. Grey is my hair, grey is a couple of my cats, grey is not your blue eyes. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 13:29:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17350 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:29:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EHVRL23261; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:31:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EHVPp26945; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:31:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe51.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EHCTp15550 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:12:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:12:23 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 17:12:23.0897 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1C6D490:01C243B5] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:12:58 -0500 Status: RO > I have a friend who is a nudist who always sews in the nude (unless he > has a none nudist friend visiting). He started sewing on an old treadle > machine out on his front porch in the country. I hope he wasn't nude on his front porch... ehehe what a mental image!! :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 13:51:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17482 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:51:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EHr2L25274; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EHr1p09856; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EHfCp02969 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.102]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0U008ZXH4NTH@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:41:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-reply-to: <112101c24375$abf35200$12c8a8c0@mail2world.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020814102651.00e4b270@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:27:49 -0700 Status: RO >The guy (and it must have been a guy) who wrote these rules would be >appalled at all of us. Imagine, sewing for our own satisfaction, making >things that have no 'practical use' but are what we want to make and wear, >and not just to save a little bit of money and keep our little hands busy >until hubby comes home from work. > >Can you tell this made me cross? The guy who wrote these rules is probably dead by now, so you can console yourself in that. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 13:51:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17490 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:51:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EHrHL25319; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EHrFp10044; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EHfDp02977 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.102]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0U008ZXH4NTH@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:41:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020814103222.00c643a0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020813223531.00e5dab0@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:40:40 -0700 Status: RO >(The bad news is it makes me just a little too > > young for Swing Dancing, really big right now among the folks who weren't > > born at the time.) > >Too young for swing dancing?? What do you mean? That you were to young to >dance at the time it was popular, or that you're too young to dance now? Oops - too young to have learned it. I was about 12 when The Twist came in, and never learned the dances my 'old' (=20) cousin danced. My Sweetie, who grew up in Michigan instead of in California and who is two years older than I am, did learn Swing Dancing when it was current, and is busy trying to get me into it now (he and several thirty-somethings I know). I bet my father still does Swing Dancing, or would if he lived in California. >Oh, and as we're talking about that period, I might as well ask... Is there >another pattern than the Vogue one for a Zoot suit? Somebody like Simplicity has one, but I hear it isn't very complete in the tailoring department. OTOH, the Vogue one comes highly recommended for authenticity, if not for ease of construction. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:25:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17704 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:25:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EIR1L28599; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIR0p00440; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIKup26695 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17f2lK-00016b-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:20:55 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party References: <043101c2436f$abce9ab0$0ec8a8c0@mail2world.com> In-Reply-To: <043101c2436f$abce9ab0$0ec8a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:14:04 +0100 Status: RO freyalyn wrote >I managed to find Teddy in his voluminous underwear, and tracked down >Debbie's stall. >I was going over to see Jean, but as I found someone I thought was her >she was busy getting a sweaty Norman out of some form of armour, so I >thought I'd get back to her later and of course never did. > Yes, yes, that would be me! Perfect description - I really wish he'd get a proper Squire. After every battle you can come back to Conquest's camp and see what sweaty Normans look like in their underwear! >I went looking for Nicole and didn't find her, but it was very hot by then and >I needed beer so that may have had something to do with it. > >I really enjoyed Kirby, and even my husband got much more interested >that I thought he would. But the only thing he would be prepared to get >dressed up as is one of Napolean's Imperial Guard or a Confederate >soldier. I'm not quite sure what that says about him!! > Go Napoleonic, just do it - every time I go to a multi-period event I'm desperate to get a Napoleonic soldier in one of those fabulous hats, and a coat and hat for me ;-) >And of course we got drenched in the DELUGE during the final parade on >Saturday. Teddy, I really felt for you tripping along in the rain, not to >mention those is the really elaborate costumes. It took us over an hour to >get out of the carpark, which just immediately turned into a quagmire. >Everytime we managed to get going the (completely useless) carpark >stewards would stop us to let others through, and the car sank!! > >What fun! Completely normal for a British holiday weekend, of course. > >Freyalyn >> I realise I've been doing too much re-enactment the way I've been going around saying "and if I'd ever thought it would rain like that, I never would have gone out without my cloak". Our camp looked like a Chinese laundry on Sunday, we had stuff hanging on all the safety ropes. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:37:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17750 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:37:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EIdVL29837; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:39:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIdTp07289; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:39:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f126.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.126]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIBip12796 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:11:39 -0700 Received: from 66.136.213.226 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:11:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.136.213.226] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 18:11:39.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE90CC00:01C242F4] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:11:39 +0000 Status: RO heh. And I frequently store extra pins in my mouth - be just my luck to transfer some of that lipstick to the fabric that way. :) (Any unexpected visitors showing up while I'm sewing should know better than to drop by that late!) Mary/Katerine > > Put on a clean dress ... Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick > > put on.... > >Yeah, right. I usually sew in my underwear (or chemise) so I can try on as >needed. > >--Robin > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17768 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:40:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EIeNL29981; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:41:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIeDp07790; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9NCp22875 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 722E01E20A0; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:23:09 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020814092309.722E01E20A0@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:23:09 BST Status: RO Freyalyn wrote : > I managed to find Teddy in his voluminous underwear,.. The only H-cost person I found was Teddy: and Teddy is not new to me (still nice, though!) > I really enjoyed Kirby, and even my husband got much more interested that I thought he would. But the only thing he would be prepared to get dressed up as is one of Napolean's Imperial Guard or a Confederate soldier. Funny, that. My husband is, partly as a result of Kirby, about to sign up to be a Confederate. Artillery rather than infantry, but I think the uniform's the same (just less muddy!). I won't be making it, anyway (phew!), they have their own supplier. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17770 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:40:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EIdfL29861; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:39:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIdep07391; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:39:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIO4p19967 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4955710F1AC for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9527E10F1D1 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01ff01c242f3$bd128970$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:03:30 -0400 Status: RO I would gladly sew in my undies... but I do have four sons at home, and my table is in front of a glass patio door. Yes, it's my yard, but the neighbor kids and my kids have no "yard boundaries"! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) > > > Bare feet are even better. As for dressing up to sew, forget > it. > > I want to enjoy my sewing and it is much more fun in jeans, T-shirt > and > > no makeup. When I am sewing for myself, a light cotton duster works > > better so I can try on though. > > Clothes? What clothes? It's rare that I'm ever more than half dressed > when sewing. Admit it, you know you do it to... ;) > > Sarah > http://www.elizabethanlady.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:40:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17776 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:40:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EIdoL29879; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIdjp07437; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:39:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe41.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DIQip21315 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:26:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:26:39 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 18:26:39.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[F70F7A90:01C242F6] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:27:17 -0500 Status: RO > Clothes? What clothes? It's rare that I'm ever more than half dressed > when sewing. Admit it, you know you do it to... ;) I get cold too easily to do that. I'll just wear a x-large t-shirt or a duster while sewing, so it can be taken off easily to try on what I'm sewing as I go. I hate getting dressed/undressed/dressed again/undressed again... might be why I don't seem to enjoy going clothes shopping as much as many girls my age do... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:40:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17780 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:40:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EIflL00129; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:41:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIeIp07878; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:40:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EA4jp01447 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:04:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAAPAGHGG005WDR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:04:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAAP7F1QY004Y44@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:04:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:59:50 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:59:31 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:59:26 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-reply-to: <20020813194301.4420.63861.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47AAFCE01A7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:59:26 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Nicole - household? what household! Nicole - what self respecting member of the nobility would fail to take at least a skeleton part of their household with them! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:53:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17823 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:53:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EIsoL01913; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIeQp07979; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EAHxp04483 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAB5QK6R4006V79@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:17:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAB5KR9WM00624P@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:17:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:13:01 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:12:17 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:12:06 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Square Pegs In-reply-to: <20020814001002.24997.96585.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47AE6427AD4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:53:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17827 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:53:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EIt0L01956; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:55:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIffp08911; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:41:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EFVFp15969 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:31:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30377 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:33:19 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen (was: My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit) In-Reply-To: <20020814072659.50557.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:33:19 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > Robin, have you come across by any chance the use of coloured linen in > the 17th century? I still haven't, but then I haven't managed yet to > find the time to go through the wills etc. It would be most useful to > have a coloured thick linen skirt/petticoat for thsoe endless rainy > re-enactment days in merry old wet England. I haven't looked -- I do medieval only. Drea or Danielle would be the ones most likely to have seen something of this sort, I think. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:53:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17831 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:53:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EIt9L01985; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIenp08255; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:40:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBU4p21420 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLADO7GFB4005ZRE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:30:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLADO751M600672F@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:30:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:25:18 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:24:34 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:24:24 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats In-reply-to: <20020814093619.23019.40359.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47C1AAC2BF3@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:24:24 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Oh, and have you figured out how to do the tiny minuscule and > oh so absolutely perfect pleating/gathering in linen garments? I just > never mnage to make it look like that! Well, I've never got the hang of even gathers the regular way, so I pin them in the same way I do pleats and cartridge pleats and just keep pinning the middle point until there's no more space between the teensy-pleats to put any more pins in, then sew across the lot. Lovely even "gathers" (really, they're just lots and lots of very tiny, closely spaced pleats) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:53:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17836 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:53:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EItFL02003; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIerp08311; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:40:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBZ4p22585 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLADUDQO7K005ZRE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:35:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLADUD6ONG00624P@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:35:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:30:16 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:30:01 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:29:51 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats In-reply-to: <20020814093619.23019.40359.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47C31F55B63@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:29:51 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > It's avariation of the way Danielle does it (she showed me this one > > when she was visiting in January) and it makes the whole thing so > > much quicker and easier.... and no maths involved, which is always a > > Good Thing! > > Oh please tell us how Danielle does it, ANY way of dealing with > sewing and making it easier/quicker is a good way. Danielle had better explain - she showed me in January so I'm bound to have forgotten an important step or two in her method... Hey! Evil-Costuming-Twin! Tell them how you do your cartridge pleats without the gathering threads! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:54:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17842 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:54:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EItcL02065; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIewp08371; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:40:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBi6p24893 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:44:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLAE6I520W003YWE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:44:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLAE6GV0E4005Q67@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:44:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:39:14 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:38:36 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.85) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:38:32 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats In-reply-to: <20020814102720.3717.57696.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47C56934BA1@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:38:32 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > > > they sewed in rings on the inside with a tape running through the > > > rings to hold the pleats in shape. (For an example see Milia > > > Davenport's _Book of Costume_ where she shows the inside of > > > military bases.) > > > Uhm... since the Davenport book is one of teh very few I don't > > have (yet) I can't quite picture this and am intrigued (sounds so > > very useful!) any chance of an image perhaps? > I don't know if there is one online showing it too clearly, but > Teddy did show us an online image of a bloke lying on his back > (not looking too distressed considering he's probably rather > close to dying) having fallen from his horse (?) Not very clear. It's here though http://www.accademiacarrara.bergamo.it/foto/acq01033.jpg 3 lines of tape holding the inside of the pleats visible in the flapped- open part of the skirt/bases Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17847 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:54:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EItjL02081; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:55:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIfQp08708; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:41:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EEw7p27666 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCi6JrDxtHXePeqBP/6AjeKfSpNNaaEV9bg=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G97BC885; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:57:31 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials Message-ID: <20020814.095759.-128661.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-9,11-16 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:57:58 -0500 Status: RO Oh no! You won't catch me out that easily.....even if I am blonde. And besides, even if I told you that I live near Chicago, that leaves an awful lot of area to search. Karen On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:14:48 -0600 Sue Clemenger writes: > So...Karen....(Sue says innocently, while casually > whistling)....just > where *do* you live? > ladedadeda....I'm innocent, I am.....not huntin' no fabric I'm > not.....nosireeee.........lalalalala...... > --sue ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:54:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17854 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:54:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EItvL02110; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:55:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIf2p08437; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EBoJp26208 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:50:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id C2AC71E1FBA; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:50:15 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020814115015.C2AC71E1FBA@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:50:15 BST Status: RO Teddy wrote : > > You know, I'm going to *be* in London in just a couple of > > weeks....Robin, you send me his address, and we'll sneak over > > there while he's at work.... --sue, thinking a cross-Atlantic > > fabric raid might be kinda fun! ;-P > > No fair! Ganging up on poor defenseless little Evil-Bunnys wot > never did anybody no harm.... ever! > > Teddy Boss? Wanna hire the Strongoak Warband to defend the Stash? Very cheap, honest.... Luv, Sian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:54:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17858 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:54:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EIu1L02119; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIfop09022; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:41:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EGGCp12158 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:16:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814161612.777.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:16:12 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Doris Day ( WAS: Yellow!) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <48085BF0391@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:16:12 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > I can recommend "The Very Best of Doris Day" album (now > available on CD as well as tape).... Nothing like a quick burst of > Hernados Hideaway or Teacher's Pet , full volume at 6a.m. to get a > noisy party animal regretting so much drink and the late night > before.... whoohoo, thanks! I love Doris day, Dean martin, ran Sinatra, Sammy davies Jr, and ALL the US 50s and 60s comedies with Doris day and Rock Hudson and the lot. Off to look on secondsounds.co.uk for the CD. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:55:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17865 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:55:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EIuIL02190; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:56:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIdqp07539; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:39:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7E9D3p25272 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb06la (unverified [10.1.200.110]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:08:30 -0700 thread-index: AcJDcihhhdFToVBsQ4Krk349RM386w== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Message-ID: <012e01c24372$2861dc70$14c8a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012F_01C24337.7C030470" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:08:30 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C24337.7C030470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another useful thing for hands before handling fine fabrics and threads is to put a small pile of salt or fine sugar on your palm, mix it with a dollop or two of either some form of oil or even liquid soap, and massage that into your hands. It takes off all the little rough bits (and also dye staining). If you use olive oil you have lovely soft hands when it's washed off. Freyalyn, who uses this a lot. _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Cynthia J Ley > Sent: 8/13/2002 5:29:28 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) > > Another good product is Udderly Smooth, which is a non-greasy, > non-staining cream used for (you guessed it!) cow teats. Found it at one > of our local fabric stores. > > It's also a wonderful skin smoother and moisturizer, better than the vast > number of products out there. I won't touch my silk work without it! > > Although you have to admit that there is something mildly hysterical > about reading the directions: "Wash udder and teat parts thoroughly...." > > > Arlys > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C24337.7C030470 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another useful thing for hands before handling fine fabrics and threads is to put a small pile of salt or fine sugar on your palm, mix it with a dollop or two of either some form of oil or even liquid soap, and massage that into your hands. It takes off all the little rough bits (and also dye staining). If you use olive oil you have lovely soft hands when it's washed off.

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> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949)
>
> Another good product is Udderly Smooth, which is a non-greasy,
> non-staining cream used for (you guessed it!) cow teats. Found it at one
> of our local fabric stores.
>
> It's also a wonderful skin smoother and moisturizer, better than the vast
> number of products out there. I won't touch my silk work without it!
>
> Although you have to admit that there is something mildly hysterical
> about reading the directions: "Wash udder and teat parts thoroughly...."
>
>
> Arlys
>
>
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------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C24337.7C030470-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:55:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17870 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:55:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EIukL02258; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:56:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIfkp08956; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:41:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EGEap11277 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:14:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA98388 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:14:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats In-Reply-To: <20020814152205.50507.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Since the pleats have been flattened (visualize putting one hand along on the top and the bottom of a bunch of cartridge pleats, and moving your top hand forward and the bottom hand backward, causing the pleats to "slant"), you can just sew it in like normal pleats. If it's a thin material, that is. This is what I do for the backs of regency dresses, that need a lot of pleats in a leetle area. Drea On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > --- Drea Leed wrote: > > > > > I do mini-cartridge-pleats. Basically run three rows of gathering > > stitches, making sure they're very even and all go in and out of the > > fabric at the same place. then gather them up, and lay the gathers flat, > > using a needle slipped inside the pleats to adjust them and make sure they > > are all parallel. > > > > I think these are called "stroked pleats", but I'm not sure. > > Ahhhh! *light switches on above head* Now I see... I have thisgreat book on all > kinds of pleats and gathers and whatever else one can do with fabric, but I > just didn't ever mnage to make it look like the originals. What she described > as stroked pleats didn't work out, I tried it, it makes perfect sense though > when they are mini cartridges. thanks rea, I'll do that next time! That reminds > me, how do you then stitch it on though? > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:55:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17873 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:55:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EIukL02255; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:56:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIfUp08757; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:41:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EEw7p27665 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCi6JrDxtHXePeqBP/6AjeKfSpNNaaEV9bg=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G97BC885; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:57:31 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials Message-ID: <20020814.095759.-128661.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-9,11-16 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:57:58 -0500 Status: RO Oh no! You won't catch me out that easily.....even if I am blonde. And besides, even if I told you that I live near Chicago, that leaves an awful lot of area to search. Karen On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:14:48 -0600 Sue Clemenger writes: > So...Karen....(Sue says innocently, while casually > whistling)....just > where *do* you live? > ladedadeda....I'm innocent, I am.....not huntin' no fabric I'm > not.....nosireeee.........lalalalala...... > --sue ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 14:55:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17877 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:55:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EIuFL02178; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EIfZp08835; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EFHwp08393 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:17:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g7EFHoUj066340 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:17:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208141517.g7EFHoUj066340@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <47A89135D18@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> from "Teddy" at Aug 14, 2002 10:50:19 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO isn't "duster" a housecoat in this sense? .heather. > > > > "Duster"? > > Small square of soft cloth for wiping the dust form objects around > the house.... Sometimes a few feathers attached to a stick, though > that is more commonly referred to as a "feather-duster" > > Sorry, I coudln't resist..... > > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:58:20 -0400 Lalah T Tillinghast > > writes: > > > > > > Bare feet are even better. As for dressing up to sew, forget it. I > > > want to enjoy my sewing and it is much more fun in jeans, T-shirt > > > and no makeup. When I am sewing for myself, a light cotton duster > > > works better so I can try on though. > > > > Lalah > > > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 15:20:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18006 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:20:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EJMXL04820; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:22:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EJMPp03072; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EJA0p25761 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Wed Aug 14 14:09:55 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:09:56 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:09:48 -0500 Status: RO > I have a friend who is a nudist who always sews in the nude (unless he > has a none nudist friend visiting). He started sewing on an old treadle > machine out on his front porch in the country. I hope he wasn't nude on his front porch... ehehe what a mental image!! :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, he did :). He lived way out in the country and there were a lot of trees. He's self-taught and now has his own business. He still prefers the country but has to spend some time in town when he is here to merchant at the local renfaire. He learned to sew on a treadle but when that couldn't keep up switched to a powerded machine. Can't remember the model but it has a stretch zig-zag stitch which he uses on his tights. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 15:48:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18197 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:48:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EJm4L07535; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EJm2p17866; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EJdCp12794 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:39:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814193911.56492.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:39:11 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <47AAFCE01A7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:39:11 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > > Nicole - household? what household! > > Nicole - what self respecting member of the nobility would fail to > take at least a skeleton part of their household with them! Oh, uh, demmit, I did a Germanism, I meant household as in Haushalt as in housekeeping. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 15:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18201 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:48:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EJmRL07595; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:48:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EJmHp18054; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:48:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EJiSp15753 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4DE10F1D6 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AFAA10F148 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <050e01c243ca$fa9c7e90$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020814.095759.-128661.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:44:16 -0400 Status: RO So we station someone in every fabric store near Chicago--any blondes buying products usable for costuming get followed! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials > Oh no! You won't catch me out that easily.....even if I am blonde. And > besides, even if I told you that I live near Chicago, that leaves an > awful lot of area to search. > > Karen > > > > > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:14:48 -0600 Sue Clemenger > writes: > > So...Karen....(Sue says innocently, while casually > > whistling)....just > > where *do* you live? > > ladedadeda....I'm innocent, I am.....not huntin' no fabric I'm > > not.....nosireeee.........lalalalala...... > > --sue > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 16:07:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18329 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:07:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EK99L09880; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:09:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EK97p00179; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EJsdp21544 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:54:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7F010F24B for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 011FF10F0B2 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <046701c243c9$62dc08b0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:32:23 -0400 Status: RO But---what does a nudist sew? Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing > > Clothes? What clothes? It's rare that I'm ever more than half > > dressed when sewing. Admit it, you know you do it to... ;) > > Since my workroom is in a partially finished basement (stone > foundation) I am usually dressed in layers, even in the summer as it > tends to be a bit cool. Yes, this is a pain if I am doing a lot of > fitting but I find trying to operate a sewing machine shivering from > cold to be a bit hazardous to my health, fingers in particular :). > > I have a friend who is a nudist who always sews in the nude (unless he > has a none nudist friend visiting). He started sewing on an old treadle > machine out on his front porch in the country. > > Catherine > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 16:25:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18388 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:25:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EKR3L11682; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:27:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EKR2p09927; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f77.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EKEHp03033 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:14:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:14:12 -0700 Received: from 132.205.45.152 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:14:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [132.205.45.152] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 20:14:12.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[27C33130:01C243CF] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:14:12 +0000 Status: RO Of course. Teddy was just kidding... Housecoat or what do you call it, overall? Something to go over your clothes to protect them from dust (original meaning) or paint, or anything of the kind. >From: Heather Meadows >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:17:50 -0700 (PDT) > >isn't "duster" a housecoat in this sense? > >.heather. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Duster"? > > > > Small square of soft cloth for wiping the dust form objects around > > the house.... Sometimes a few feathers attached to a stick, though > > that is more commonly referred to as a "feather-duster" > > > > Sorry, I coudln't resist..... > > > > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:58:20 -0400 Lalah T Tillinghast > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > Bare feet are even better. As for dressing up to sew, forget it. I > > > > want to enjoy my sewing and it is much more fun in jeans, T-shirt > > > > and no makeup. When I am sewing for myself, a light cotton duster > > > > works better so I can try on though. > > > > > > Lalah > > > > > > > > Teddy > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 16:38:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18439 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:38:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EKeAL13043; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:40:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EKe4p17411; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EKUGp11724 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip93.124-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.124.93]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7EKUCV16819 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:30:13 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message-ID: <3D5A5DDB.2157.331AE0D@localhost> Priority: normal References: <20020814102720.3717.57696.Mailman@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: <47C56934BA1@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Subject: [h-cost] Bases and Breeches, was re: Pleats Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:40:43 -0700 Status: RO > http://www.accademiacarrara.bergamo.it/foto/acq01033.jpg > > 3 lines of tape holding the inside of the pleats visible in the > flapped- open part of the skirt/bases Teddy, that's a wonderful picture and not just for the pleats and bases! It very clearly shows the breeches underneath. Do you know what the date is on the picture or any other information such as artist. It looked from the URL that it might be Italian, but I'd like to know more about it. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 16:40:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18451 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:40:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EKeSL13085; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EKeRp17677; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EKVLp12449 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:31:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.201]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020814203119.LCRL28874.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:31:19 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Duster Message-ID: <3D5ACC24.32254.406F84@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:31:16 +0100 Status: RO On 14 Aug 2002 at 20:14, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > Of course. Teddy was just kidding... > Housecoat or what do you call it, overall? Something to go over your clothes > to protect them from dust (original meaning) or paint, or anything of the > kind. Well, I've never heard *that* meaning of the word before! I was trying to figure out what you'd be doing wearing a duster (the normal sort): a bit more use than a fig leaf, but not by much. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 16:41:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18455 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:41:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EKf7L13160; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EKelp17969; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:40:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EKZMp14670 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17f4rR-000MK5-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:35:21 +0100 Message-ID: <4PbwI0C0pqW9Iwjf@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) References: <3.0.6.32.20020813105457.011201d0@pop.directcon.net> <013601c24324$b1c11560$eaf4fea9@glendaii> In-Reply-To: <013601c24324$b1c11560$eaf4fea9@glendaii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:07:32 +0100 Status: RO Glenda Robinson wrote >> At 08:56 AM 08/13/2002 +0000, Cynthia J Ley wrote: >> >> >P.S. Can someone tell me what constitutes "an urgent housekeep chore?" >> > > >I've got one! > >If, like me, you have children (as would a good housewife of the '50s), >there's some very interesting "urgent chores" to deal with. > >Most of them involve overpouring drinks, usually milk, soft drink or cordial >(never water! that wouldn't make the whole kitchen floor sticky!!!). Others >involve the overflowing of drinks once they've reached the other end of the >gastrointestinal system. Both of which, of course, should be mopped up >wearing your heels ;-) > >Glenda. > Not heels, dear - pattens is what you need! -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 16:47:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18478 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:47:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EKmvL13947; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EKmup22977; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:48:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EKaup15564 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id AF32903BA; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:36:02 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-reply-to: <47E077C41EE@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:36:02 -0500 Status: RO ((ahh, been waiting for this..)) But you're no bunny till some bunny loves you!! Big hugs too, Betsy (okay so blue eyes and legendary fabric stash do not true love make, but, well, it's a start, judging by the responses on the list today) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Teddy Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:20 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials > (choke) Teddy, you come over here and clean up the coffee I just > spewed on my monitor. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 17:00:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18575 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:00:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EL2AL15280; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:02:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EL24p00948; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f146.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.146]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EKkcp21520 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:46:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:46:32 -0700 Received: from 12.231.157.178 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:46:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.157.178] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 20:46:32.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC5EF560:01C243D3] Subject: [h-cost] linen colors Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:46:32 -0700 Status: RO Since we've been on the linen subject I thought I'd ask about removing the color from linen. I got 9.5yds of 54" wide 55%linen/45%cotton for $1.30yd. The problem is that it's construction worker orange!! I know I could overdye, but I'd like to lighten it up first so I have more options on what to dye for. This is an intense orange. TIA Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 17:05:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18617 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:05:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EL75L15755; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:07:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EL72p03910; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7EL4Fp02231 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020814210414.899.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:04:14 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bases and Breeches, was re: Pleats To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D5A5DDB.2157.331AE0D@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:04:14 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > > http://www.accademiacarrara.bergamo.it/foto/acq01033.jpg > > > > 3 lines of tape holding the inside of the pleats visible in the > > flapped- open part of the skirt/bases > > Teddy, that's a wonderful picture and not just for the pleats and > bases! It very clearly shows the breeches underneath. Hmmm..... I can't see anything, no pleats, no tape, it's just too small, thanks ever so much for sending the link though! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 17:31:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18718 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:31:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7ELX6L18402; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:33:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ELX4p19097; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:33:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ELPFp14540 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:25:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip120.125-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.125.120]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7ELPCV23086 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:25:12 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen colors Message-ID: <3D5A6ABC.18715.363FD81@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:35:40 -0700 Status: RO > Since we've been on the linen subject I thought I'd ask about removing > the color from linen. I got 9.5yds of 54" wide 55%linen/45%cotton for > $1.30yd. The problem is that it's construction worker orange!! I > know I could overdye, but I'd like to lighten it up first so I have > more options on what to dye for. This is an intense orange. Good luck. I've tried all sorts of dye removers but the best I could do is take my fuschia down to a peach color. Perhaps (depending on what color you want to end up with) that would be enough. I used Rit Color remover on one piece and got the peach color. I used other things as well which I can't remember (and don't have the information saved from last year when we were getting all that cheap linen at $1.44 a yard at JoAnn's. Tons of fuschia linen for interlining. Yum. Bad if you want other colors though.) Everything I tried came out only as light as peach. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 17:52:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18785 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:52:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7ELs7L20397; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ELs6p00962; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:54:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ELg4p24304 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:42:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Miscmal@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 7.187.c6ef118 (16335) for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:41:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Miscmal@aol.com Message-ID: <187.c6ef118.2a8c289c@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_187.c6ef118.2a8c289c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Subject: [h-cost] How to cartrigde pleat and hem lined silk Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:41:48 EDT Status: RO --part1_187.c6ef118.2a8c289c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings to the list, I am making my first Elizabethan out of 19.5 mm silk satin. I plan to line it with some mid weight stuff (cotton I think but I am not real good with the burn test), that I got so cheap. So, what is the best way to handle the lining and the silk together. Do I need to put weights in the hem of the silk? I will be putting some trim and possibly some guards on the bottom edge of the skirt. Should I hem them together or separately? I have had very little experience with this type of stuff. Thanks so much for your help and suggestions in advance. :-} Mischele the unsure and confused --part1_187.c6ef118.2a8c289c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings to the list,
I am making my first Elizabethan out of 19.5 mm silk satin. I plan to line it with some mid weight stuff (cotton I think but I am not real good with the burn test), that I got so cheap. So, what is the best way to handle the lining and the silk together.  Do I need to put weights in the hem of the silk? I will be putting some trim and possibly some guards on the bottom edge of the skirt. Should I hem them together or separately? I have had very little experience with this type of stuff.
Thanks so much for your help and suggestions in advance.   :-}

Mischele
the unsure and confused
--part1_187.c6ef118.2a8c289c_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 17:57:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18795 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:57:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7ELx2L20822; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ELx1p03546; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ELrup00878 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:53:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01354 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:55:59 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen colors In-Reply-To: <3D5A6ABC.18715.363FD81@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:55:59 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > I used Rit Color remover on one piece and got the peach color. I used > other things as well which I can't remember (and don't have the > information saved from last year when we were getting all that cheap > linen at $1.44 a yard at JoAnn's. Tons of fuschia linen for > interlining. Yum. Bad if you want other colors though.) Everything I > tried came out only as light as peach. I got four or five pieces of that fuschia linen and noticed that each piece had a slightly different color. I bleached one, and it came down to a pale pink, which will do nicely for something or could be overdyed anything in a red range. I expect the others would work differently. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 17:57:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18799 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:57:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7ELxJL20864; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:59:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ELxCp03650; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:59:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ELv4p02452 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.117.15c2a89c (4426) for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:56:54 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <117.15c2a89c.2a8c2c26@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Square Pegs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_117.15c2a89c.2a8c2c26_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:56:54 EDT Status: RO --part1_117.15c2a89c.2a8c2c26_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/2002 2:58:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes: > A kiwi girl I shared a flat with for a while told me it ran for six > seasons in New Zealand.. She lied. Or maybe they run the same few episodes over & over because I think it only got ONE or two seasons. --part1_117.15c2a89c.2a8c2c26_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/2002 2:58:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes:


A kiwi girl I shared a flat with for a while told me it ran for six
seasons in New Zealand..


She lied.

Or maybe they run the same few episodes over & over because I think it only got ONE or two seasons.
--part1_117.15c2a89c.2a8c2c26_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 18:18:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18882 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:18:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EMKLL22731; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EMKJp15126; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:20:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EM5Sp07130 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.78.2b30b7ae (4426) for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:05:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <78.2b30b7ae.2a8c2e1c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bases and Breeches, was re: Pleats To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_78.2b30b7ae.2a8c2e1c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:05:16 EDT Status: RO --part1_78.2b30b7ae.2a8c2e1c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/2002 4:43:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kat@grendal.rain.com writes: > Do you know what the date is on the picture or any other > information such as artist. It looked from the URL that it might be > Italian, but I'd like to know more about it. > I can't help making up cartoon bubbles for everyone. The Cardinal saying "I had nothing to do with it!". The friar: "Oh God, don't let him sue us!" and other coming up with comments like "Touch nothing!" Or "Dial 911"....the men in the back at the left whispering. "Hide the bag of pretzels!". --part1_78.2b30b7ae.2a8c2e1c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/2002 4:43:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kat@grendal.rain.com writes:


Do you know what the date is on the picture or any other
information such as artist. It looked from the URL that it might be
Italian, but I'd like to know more about it.


I can't help making up cartoon bubbles for everyone. The Cardinal saying "I had nothing to do with it!". The friar: "Oh God, don't let him sue us!" and other coming up with comments like "Touch nothing!" Or "Dial 911"....the men in the back at the left whispering. "Hide the bag of pretzels!".
--part1_78.2b30b7ae.2a8c2e1c_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 18:26:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18917 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:26:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EMPFL23280; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:25:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EMP1p17676; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EMKlp15357 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:20:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01569 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:22:52 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen (was: My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:22:52 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO Nicole wrote: > > Robin, have you come across by any chance the use of coloured linen in > > the 17th century? A postscript to my last "gee I dunno" post: I just dug up some pieces of a thread we had on this topic, which included some discussion of 18th century evidence and thereabouts. I think you'll find it useful. Search the archives for August 2001 under the subject line "A disturbing thought". --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 19:02:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19119 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:02:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7EN46L27161; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EN41p07832; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EMpLp01793 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:51:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C5D10F31E for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E91710F31C for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05a701c243e5$169c50b0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen colors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:51:08 -0400 Status: RO Ooh ooh ooh!! I'll buy it from you!! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Sena" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] linen colors > Since we've been on the linen subject I thought I'd ask about removing the > color from linen. I got 9.5yds of 54" wide 55%linen/45%cotton for $1.30yd. > The problem is that it's construction worker orange!! I know I could > overdye, but I'd like to lighten it up first so I have more options on what > to dye for. This is an intense orange. > > TIA > > > > Jennifer Sena > Distant Designs > http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi > > I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 19:15:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19162 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:15:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7ENH2L28100; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ENH1p13648; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02bw.bigpond.com (mta02bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EN6Qp08919 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:06:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.84]) by mta02bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta02bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0UW6F00.C7D for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:06:15 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.74 ([203.54.114.74]) by bwmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 47/23555904); 15 Aug 2002 09:06:07 Message-ID: <3D5BD2D0.FF4A0176@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cry for help from Apollonia References: <20020814141658.40872.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:12:01 -0700 Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > Could someone help? Apollonia got blocked from the list, I believe someone from > her server has been spamming, poor her! > > Nicole > I got a mail to the list rejected for the same reason a couple of days ago. I just resent it and it was fine. Don't know if this is the same thing though. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 19:28:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19239 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:28:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7ENUQL28997; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ENUNp18869; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:30:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ENSXp18126 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:28:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.169]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g7ENRv032585 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:27:58 +1000 Message-ID: <03ec01c243ea$4bcb0600$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <20020814072659.50557.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen (was: My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:25:15 +1000 Status: RO I've had a check for petticote mentioned in "Textiles and Meterials of the Common Man and Woman 1580-1660" ed. Peachey which has done a stock-take of all mentions of clothing related materials in the period. Only 3% (eek!) of petticotes mentioned in this period have any materials associated with them. Most are wool, of all sorts of finishes - self-grown wool, rug ( hairy on one side for winter), flannel, Norwich stuff (in green), baize, worsted, russet (natural dark sheep colour - actual colour varied - heaps of these!), stammel (which has vague associations with red as well) and broadcloth. One mention of a petticote in hus linen (coarser linen). No other mentions of linen as petticote material at all. This may mean that this was one of the default materials for petticotes, but then again, it may not. There are mentions of linen specifically as a material for aprons and shifts, smocks, and shirts, but none of petticotes! We can't think of any other books in our library that would be of more help than this one. So we're none the wiser on this one :-( Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- > Robin, have you come across by any chance the use of coloured linen in the 17th > century? I still haven't, but then I haven't managed yet to find the time to go > through the wills etc. It would be most useful to have a coloured thick linen > skirt/petticoat for thsoe endless rainy re-enactment days in merry old wet > England. > > Nicole > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 21:50:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20066 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:50:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F1q3L06852; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F1q1p05880; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f173.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.173]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F1pop05832 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:51:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:51:45 -0700 Received: from 132.205.64.208 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:51:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [132.205.64.208] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Duster Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2002 01:51:45.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F92CC50:01C243FE] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:51:45 +0000 Status: RO The very first time I heard that word was on the FolkWear website while looking at their patterns... The Model T Duster. http://www.folkwear.com/Pattern/CollectionsPatternDisplay.asp?SectionKey=131850&BookKey=148196 Of course, my native language is French so my not being aware of the existence of that word is probably not representative of the general English speaking population :-) >From: "Jane Williams" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Duster >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:31:16 +0100 > >On 14 Aug 2002 at 20:14, Audrey Bergeron-Morin >wrote: > > > Of course. Teddy was just kidding... > > Housecoat or what do you call it, overall? Something to go over your >clothes > > to protect them from dust (original meaning) or paint, or anything of >the > > kind. > >Well, I've never heard *that* meaning of the word >before! I was trying to figure out what you'd be doing >wearing a duster (the normal sort): a bit more use >than a fig leaf, but not by much. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 22:20:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20204 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F2M3L08227; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:22:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F2M2p14609; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f22.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F2FWp12906 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:15:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:15:27 -0700 Received: from 65.65.97.41 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:15:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.65.97.41] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Doris Day ( WAS: Yellow!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2002 02:15:27.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F1C4000:01C24401] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:15:26 +0000 Status: RO Teddy, I hardly ever drink (can count on one hand the number of timee I've been drink in my life) and even my favorite artists played loudly at 6am would cause me to throw things at the responsible party!! Mary/Katerine (a confirmed Night Owl) >I can recommend "The Very Best of Doris Day" album (now >available on CD as well as tape).... Nothing like a quick burst of >Hernados Hideaway or Teacher's Pet , full volume at 6a.m. to get a >noisy party animal regretting so much drink and the late night >before.... > > >Teddy _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 22:33:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20254 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:33:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F2Z6L08913; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:35:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F2Z4p18630; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F2VHp17314 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:31:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EEB010F343 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C6BE710F341 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <081701c24403$cda57ac0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Doris Day ( WAS: Yellow!) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:31:00 -0400 Status: RO Oh, I don't know...I rather like the local Oldies station played loudly first thing in the morning. It drowns out the birds screeching for breakfast. (One of the little buggers just screeches for fun.) They don't get fed till I get coffee. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Temple" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Doris Day ( WAS: Yellow!) > Teddy, I hardly ever drink (can count on one hand the number of timee I've > been drink in my life) and even my favorite artists played loudly at 6am > would cause me to throw things at the responsible party!! > > Mary/Katerine > (a confirmed Night Owl) > > >I can recommend "The Very Best of Doris Day" album (now > >available on CD as well as tape).... Nothing like a quick burst of > >Hernados Hideaway or Teacher's Pet , full volume at 6a.m. to get a > >noisy party animal regretting so much drink and the late night > >before.... > > > > > >Teddy > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 22:46:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20321 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:46:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F2m2L09616; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:48:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F2m1p22668; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F2ZUp18768 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p107-nas4.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.208.107] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17fATv-0005ut-00; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:35:28 +1200 Message-ID: <007001c24404$6d5a2f20$6bd0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <47AE6427AD4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Square Pegs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:35:30 +1200 Status: RO > A kiwi girl I shared a flat with for a while told me it ran for six > seasons in New Zealand.... but I can't imagine them making that > many episodes if it got cancelled in the US almost immediately. I honestly have never heard of it. And while we do indeed tned to run unsuccessful US shows here.. if they'd been cancelled we wouldn't have had any to screen;0 What was it? michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 22:46:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20327 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:46:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F2mAL09638; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:48:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F2m8p22717; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mothra.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (mothra.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7F2aJp19021 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:36:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 23093 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 02:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (208.27.190.124) by mothra.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 02:36:16 -0000 Message-ID: <3D5B140F.65ED78A2@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help needed on sleeves. References: <47BCA736BCD@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:38:07 -0400 Status: RO Teddy wrote: > > Bead any part that will be visible when worn (i.e. the entire sleeve > ecxept the bit that is hidden inside the cap sleeve.) Will do. Thank you Teddy. Di _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 22:46:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20331 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:46:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F2mKL09667; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:48:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F2mBp22743; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:48:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F2aUp19084 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:36:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C8C10F361 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FA0910F374 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <082001c24404$89f814d0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_081D_01C243E3.02633B10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Subject: [h-cost] New Project Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:36:19 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_081D_01C243E3.02633B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been working on an italian Ren gown for a friend--purple velvet = over a silver and black brocade. Both fabrics are beautiful, but the = brocade frays if you approach it with scissors, and the velvet has left = velvet poop ALL over my kitchen! My sewing machine is a quivering mound = of lint, the floor is ankle deep in threads, the wooden table is taking = on a velvet tinge...and I HAVE to clean it all up so the baby doesn't = get into/poked by a pin/ eat velvet poop. (yes, he is at the " I must = eat everything I see" stage). Anyway, the recipient of this gown (and it is actually quite pretty, if = a bitch to sew) had BETTER send me pictures. As she is in New York, and = I'm in Pennsylvania, in person photo sessions are not an option.=20 Dianne Take hold of your inner dragon and horde not. ------=_NextPart_000_081D_01C243E3.02633B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been working on an italian Ren = gown for a=20 friend--purple velvet over a silver and black brocade. Both fabrics are=20 beautiful, but the brocade frays if you approach it with scissors, and = the=20 velvet has left velvet poop ALL over my kitchen!  My sewing machine = is a=20 quivering mound of lint, the floor is ankle deep in threads, the wooden = table is=20 taking on a velvet tinge...and I HAVE to clean it all up so the baby = doesn't get=20 into/poked by a pin/ eat velvet poop. (yes, he is at the " I must eat = everything=20 I see" stage).
 
Anyway, the recipient of this gown (and = it is=20 actually quite pretty, if a bitch to sew) had BETTER send me pictures. = As she is=20 in New York, and I'm in Pennsylvania, in person photo sessions are not = an=20 option.
 
Dianne
Take hold of your inner dragon and = horde=20 not.
------=_NextPart_000_081D_01C243E3.02633B10-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 22:54:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20373 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:54:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F2uKL10209; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:56:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F2uGp25017; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F2jrp21972 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:45:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p107-nas4.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.208.107] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17fAdz-0008Vt-00; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:45:51 +1200 Message-ID: <00b801c24405$e09631e0$6bd0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen colors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:45:54 +1200 Status: RO > Since we've been on the linen subject I thought I'd ask about removing the > color from linen. I got 9.5yds of 54" wide 55%linen/45%cotton for $1.30yd. > The problem is that it's construction worker orange!! I know I could > overdye, but I'd like to lighten it up first so I have more options on what > to dye for. This is an intense orange. If you can get hold of it try Dylong colour remover. It is excelelnt in things I've used it. I got a terribly 90s looking fuschia and white silk chiffon to be just white, and some old printed silk sarees to lose most of their colour. It does need conditions to be just so to really work. And you might need a few goes at it, or use smaller amounts of fabric. I was able to do 5m of the silk chiffon with one pot at a time. It's a really funky process. The colour remover makes the water yellow ( you do need to make sure you put it in water no warmer than say luke warm before putting it on the simmer. Then the colour fades from the fabric as the water gets hot, but the water stays yellow. And it hasn't coloured the fabric yellow either. If the dye leaks into the water then it's either been heated too quickly or not enough remover is used. I learnt that the hard way with some other fabrics. Now as it requires heat, and I haven't tried this on linen you might note some fabric shrinkage? So I'd test a piece first. Also different dyes, fabrics, finishes etc will produce different results. One thign I have learnt is that bleach hates all my fabrics and I will never again use the stuff. If I need to remove sains it's Napisan. Remove colour it's Dylon. If you do need it imported, it comes in tiny little pots so it should be shipped easily. michaela happy to be able to pop into her nearest supermarket to get it:) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 23:38:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20631 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:38:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F3e2L12912; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F3e0p08233; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F3aZp07163 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:36:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.25.2c228d8c (4426) for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:36:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <25.2c228d8c.2a8c7bb2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Duster To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_25.2c228d8c.2a8c7bb2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:36:18 EDT Status: RO --part1_25.2c228d8c.2a8c7bb2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could it be that the black denim cowboy duster rage of the '80 is forgotten????? --part1_25.2c228d8c.2a8c7bb2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could it be that the black denim cowboy duster rage of the '80 is forgotten????? --part1_25.2c228d8c.2a8c7bb2_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 14 23:39:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20637 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:39:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F3edL12960; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:40:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F3eTp08412; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F3cLp07788 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.b2.1016278a (4426) for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:38:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Square Pegs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b2.1016278a.2a8c7c21_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:38:09 EDT Status: RO --part1_b2.1016278a.2a8c7c21_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/2002 10:49:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: > What was it? > It was a high school comedy of the mid '80s. It really caught the scene then. It was funny. --part1_b2.1016278a.2a8c7c21_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/2002 10:49:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes:


What was it?


It was a high school comedy of the mid '80s. It really caught the scene then. It was funny.
--part1_b2.1016278a.2a8c7c21_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 02:14:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28869 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:14:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F6G4L19913; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F6G1p20606; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F654p18199 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a255.in-tch.com [66.62.107.55]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7F5om928198 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:50:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5B45F3.80D9703A@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:10:59 -0600 Status: RO Hmmmm.....also adds a new meaning to "Home(land) Security...." --Maire, up *way* too late..... Drea Leed wrote: > > I can see it now: a new association. > > Nude Sewers Anonymous. > > I always thought there was something slightly off about the NSA... > > Drea > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Teddy wrote: > > > > > > Clothes? What clothes? It's rare that I'm ever more than half > > > dressed when sewing. Admit it, you know you do it to... ;) > > > > I have to wear *something* The sewing room has a huge window > > looking out onto the street and I haven't wasted any fabrioc on > > curtains, so whatever happens in that room is visible to passers by > > less than three feet away.... So shorts are my usual nod towards > > not offending the neighbours (not that we don't do that to some of > > them simply by exisitng!) > > > > > > > > Teddy > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 02:41:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13830 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:41:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F6h5L20833; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:43:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F6h1p26972; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F6Xgp24882 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a255.in-tch.com [66.62.107.55]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7F6JR904654 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5B4CAA.F58A2810@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials References: <20020814.095759.-128661.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:39:38 -0600 Status: RO Dang. Are you in the SCA? I might be able to find you *that* way....heh, heh.... --sue, who's gotten rid of so much old fabric and unfinished projects she has this *huge* vacuum in her storage space.....It keeps calling "fill me, fiiiiiilllll mmmmeeeeee!!!!!!" (same voice as the plant in Little Shop of Horrors, when it says "Feed me! Feed me, Seymour!") seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > Oh no! You won't catch me out that easily.....even if I am blonde. And > besides, even if I told you that I live near Chicago, that leaves an > awful lot of area to search. > > Karen > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:14:48 -0600 Sue Clemenger > writes: > > So...Karen....(Sue says innocently, while casually > > whistling)....just > > where *do* you live? > > ladedadeda....I'm innocent, I am.....not huntin' no fabric I'm > > not.....nosireeee.........lalalalala...... > > --sue > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 04:12:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14707 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:12:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F8E4L24125; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F8E2p17030; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7F8Dkp16970 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:13:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020815081345.43048.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:13:45 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen (was: My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <03ec01c243ea$4bcb0600$eaf4fea9@glendaii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:13:45 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Glenda Robinson wrote: > I've had a check for petticote mentioned in "Textiles and Meterials of the > Common Man and Woman 1580-1660" ed. Peachey which has done a stock-take of > all mentions of clothing related materials in the period. While I think Peachey did a good job I seriously doubt he did a stick-take of ALL mentions. Apart from taht he unfortunately ends in 1660 while I have to start in 1660. If only I had time to nip to the British Library, have to do it over the witer, coz I can get a Reader's pass now (coveted as gold) from Uni. > Only 3% (eek!) of petticotes mentioned in this period have any materials > associated with them. Oh I know, isn't that a shame?! Most are wool, of all sorts of finishes - self-grown > wool, rug ( hairy on one side for winter), flannel, Norwich stuff (in > green), baize, worsted, russet (natural dark sheep colour - actual colour > varied - heaps of these!), stammel (which has vague associations with red as > well) and broadcloth. It's interesting that so many petticoats are red, and indeed one can see many in paintings from the 1650s onwards (and of course earlier!) I keep wondering if they all were wool. > One mention of a petticote in hus linen (coarser linen). No other mentions > of linen as petticote material at all. This may mean that this was one of > the default materials for petticotes, but then again, it may not. Bingo, and I am always very dubious when here are no mentionings, I doubt this is because 'everyone knew they were made out of linen'. Dyeing linen is difficult, but I havent looked into dyeing in the 17th c. enough to know what mordants were used and if te colours remained stabile. My boyfriend's mum, a versatile dyer of many years, passed away at Easter this year, so this font of knowledge has dried up too. *sigh* There are > mentions of linen specifically as a material for aprons and shifts, smocks, > and shirts, but none of petticotes! That strikes me rather as 'they mention linen for other bits but not petticoats, therefore I rather suspect that the petticoats were NOT made of linen'. To be honest, I MIGHT make one out of coloured heavy linen just for the MOST atrocious weather days. It's one thing to be atad inauthentic but stil lok alright in kit and throw the mud splattered skirt into the washing machine and another to detsroy your handsewn clothes. > We can't think of any other books in our library that would be of more help > than this one. I have to go through mine, but I fear I have the same problem until I can get to London or Oxford or Cambridge. > So we're none the wiser on this one :-( Thanks for looking!!! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 04:38:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14830 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:38:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F8ePL24912; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:40:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F8eNp22925; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7F8Rvp20143 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:27:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020815082757.70439.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:27:57 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen (was: My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:27:57 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > Nicole wrote: > > > Robin, have you come across by any chance the use of coloured linen in > > > the 17th century? > > A postscript to my last "gee I dunno" post: I just dug up some pieces of > a thread we had on this topic, which included some discussion of 18th > century evidence and thereabouts. I think you'll find it useful. Search > the archives for August 2001 under the subject line "A disturbing > thought". > > --Robin Kick me, but I lost the mails with the URL for the archive and accidentally dleted my bookmark! ARGH! Sorry... could someone plase... Nicoe - senile at the age of 33 ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 04:59:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14869 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:59:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F917L25504; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F916p27651; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F8nSp24928 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:49:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBMDEVOGW004J0O@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:49:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBMDD7RNM006PEU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:49:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:44:38 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:44:07 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:44:02 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the material In-reply-to: <20020814170200.9259.27594.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4916EB220BD@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:44:02 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > > If you hide behind the fabric, he can't get you! > > > > And it's really soft and cozy and warm in here, too. > > "Darling, call pest-contol. We have an infestation of costumers in > the fabric stash!" I mentioned this to Tom and his response was, "Are you sure? Have we got all the signs? Fabric moved around so they can see which pieces go well together? The sound of distant sewing machines, muffled by the stacks? The sound of, 'Oohs,' Ahs,' and maniacal laughter as they discover a particularly choice piece?" > This made me snort coffee all over my screen as my cartoon theater > tried to imagine this. I think Robin and Nicole could easily > handle the Orkin (American pest-control company) Man, especially if > hiding behind a particularly prime bit of stash. He would be > running in terror :)! Very probably. > PS: Teddy; grey eyes are best, they pick up all the other colors so > you don't need colored contacts if you want to change your 'look'. > And I agree, your eyes are very nice :). I preferred gthem when I had my blue and green tinted lenses (blue in the right eye, green in the left) or my deep violet ones (seen here) http://sempstress.org/evilbunny/page7.html but not very clearly. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 05:17:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14913 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:17:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F9J7L25922; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:19:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9J5p26475; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9B6p00295 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:11:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBN42IFUO0066A2@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:11:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBN3ER6KU0071UJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:10:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:05:38 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:04:33 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:04:28 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party In-reply-to: <20020814184140.435.82981.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <491C5DE31B1@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:04:28 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Yes, yes, that would be me! Perfect description - I really wish > he'd get a proper Squire. After every battle you can come back to > Conquest's camp and see what sweaty Normans look like in their > underwear! Thanks Jean, but it's bad enough in our encampment with sweaty knights shedding armour like the tin-man with metal fatigue and sitting around in their underwear trying to recover... > Go Napoleonic, just do it - every time I go to a multi-period > event I'm desperate to get a Napoleonic soldier in one of those > fabulous hats, and a coat and hat for me ;-) > I realise I've been doing too much re-enactment the way I've been > going around saying "and if I'd ever thought it would rain like > that, I never would have gone out without my cloak". Our camp > looked like a Chinese laundry on Sunday, we had stuff hanging on > all the safety ropes. Ours were on the guy ropes (taller tents, more laundry-hanging space on the ropes...) but was pretty much the same. We took over the viewing pavillion by the tilt arena where our Ladies sit to watch the displays and hung the bishops vestments and the ladies gowns from al the unternal support poles.... I *really* should have set up my tailoring shop underneath and taken advantage of a good array of garments on display. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 05:18:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14917 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:18:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F9JtL25952; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:19:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9Jsp29342; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:19:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9Hsp21587 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:17:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBN7MO9DC006LA6@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:17:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBN7EN6ZW0071UJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:13:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:08:52 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:08:40 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:08:33 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands In-reply-to: <20020814184140.435.82981.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <491D772569A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:08:33 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > From: > > The only H-cost person I found was Teddy: and Teddy is not new to > me (still nice, though!) If i had seen you when you first arrived instead of just before you left, I could have given you directions.... What a shame. > Funny, that. My husband is, partly as a result of Kirby, about to > sign up to be a Confederate. Artillery rather than infantry, but I > think the uniform's the same (just less muddy!). I won't be making > it, anyway (phew!), they have their own supplier. Does that mean you'll be getting appropriate period costume together so you can go along to the events with him? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 05:39:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14981 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:39:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F9f5L26516; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9f3p04671; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9Mrp00804 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:22:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBNELKPW0006Q8B@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:22:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBNE7C6ZC006IE9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:19:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:14:20 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:13:39 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:13:31 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials In-reply-to: <20020814184140.435.82981.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <491ECBA0928@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:13:31 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > No fair! Ganging up on poor defenseless little Evil-Bunnys wot > > never did anybody no harm.... ever! > > > > Teddy > > Boss? Wanna hire the Strongoak Warband to defend the Stash? Very > cheap, honest.... Luv, Sian Ooh! That's tight! I'm too new at this King business to remember what wonderful resources are available.... And who fiercer at defending fabric than a Warband of costumers. Now... payment.... hmmm..... Gold's no good as the pig would eat it all, so it'll have to be something else... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 05:41:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14997 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:41:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F9gAL26576; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9g9p04900; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:42:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7F9Pnp01683 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:25:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020815092548.39448.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:25:48 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <491D772569A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:25:48 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > > Funny, that. My husband is, partly as a result of Kirby, about to > > sign up to be a Confederate. Artillery rather than infantry, but I > > think the uniform's the same (just less muddy!). I won't be making > > it, anyway (phew!), they have their own supplier. > > Does that mean you'll be getting appropriate period costume > together so you can go along to the events with him? Hey, you should join the ladies' temperance movement, they were SUCH fun! everyone booed happily when they marched past, they had a blast! http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/Temp/Kirby/parade47.jpg Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 05:42:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15002 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:42:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F9fgL26558; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:41:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9ffp04789; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:41:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9Oip01203 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:24:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBNGA7N9S006ZQQ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:24:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBNFHHS1O00640C@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:20:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:15:23 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:15:01 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:14:59 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials In-reply-to: <20020814184140.435.82981.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <491F288380E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:14:59 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Oh no! You won't catch me out that easily.....even if I am blonde. And > besides, even if I told you that I live near Chicago, that leaves an > awful lot of area to search. I know, I know!!! She lives in a lovely place called "Vogue Fabrics" Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 05:45:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15017 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:45:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F9l1L26706; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9l0p05924; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:47:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9YXp03377 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:34:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBNXC9LSW00541G@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:34:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBNXBBP6C0071UJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:34:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:29:44 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:29:14 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:29:05 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing In-reply-to: <20020814215901.3535.26281.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4922F34695B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:29:05 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > But---what does a nudist sew? The Guy responsible for publicity in Costume Guild UK, a few years ago, is a nudist. He got us some great free advertising when he was interviewd on radio (about being a nudist) and was asked about his other hobbies and interests. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 05:45:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15021 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:45:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F9lYL26721; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:47:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9lVp06040; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9ckp04237 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:38:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBO39YYOG006ZQQ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:38:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBO375SLA0071UJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:38:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:33:42 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:32:43 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:32:35 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-reply-to: <20020814215901.3535.26281.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4923E1132AF@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:32:35 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Of course. Teddy was just kidding... Sorry, sometimes I justr can't resist. We don't call them "dusters" over here.. at least not in any of the areas I've lived. > Housecoat or what do you call it, overall? Something to go over > your clothes to protect them from dust (original meaning) or paint, > or anything of the kind. It weould probably be referrd to as a "pinnie" in some places in the UK. It's what my mother and her family called them. "I can't go out in me pinnie, like this! Wait while I change into me coat." Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 05:46:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15025 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:46:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F9m1L26742; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9m0p06190; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9hhp05175 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:43:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBO9K59V4006ZQQ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:43:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBO9FLAEW0071UJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:43:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:38:44 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:37:48 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:37:43 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] Bases and Breeches, was re: Pleats In-reply-to: <20020814215901.3535.26281.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <49253BF1CCA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:37:43 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > http://www.accademiacarrara.bergamo.it/foto/acq01033.jpg > > > > 3 lines of tape holding the inside of the pleats visible in the > > flapped- open part of the skirt/bases > > Teddy, that's a wonderful picture and not just for the pleats and > bases! It very clearly shows the breeches underneath. > > Do you know what the date is on the picture or any other > information such as artist. It looked from the URL that it might be > Italian, but I'd like to know more about it. St Dominic resuscitating Cardinal Fossinova's nephiew (sometimes called the Miracle of St Dominic) by Lorenzo Lotto. I believe it's housed in an Italian gallery... in Bergamo. It's the picture I searched for a clear image of for several years - to see if it gave any hint as to the fastening of the bodice the bases are attached to, only to discover it doesn't... though a similar garment in a painting in the national gallery shows lacings up the side-front opening. Can't recalll the actual date of it, but it's one of the few paintings that is not commonly reproduced in books about Lotto and his work. I wish I'd had a chance to see it in person like Robin did. Hope this helps Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 05:54:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15058 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:54:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7F9uXL26933; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:56:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9uWp07985; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:56:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9kdp05836 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBOD8PF0W006116@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:46:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBOD4XQN6004K3S@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:46:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:41:43 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:41:05 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:40:57 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Duster In-reply-to: <20020814215901.3535.26281.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <49261CF67BF@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:40:57 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Of course. Teddy was just kidding... > > Housecoat or what do you call it, overall? Something to go over your > > clothes to protect them from dust (original meaning) or paint, or > > anything of the kind. > > Well, I've never heard *that* meaning of the word > before! I was trying to figure out what you'd be doing > wearing a duster (the normal sort): a bit more use > than a fig leaf, but not by much. > I have a photo of Gail in the bath (I was mean and snuck into the bathroom of our shared hotel room when she was washing her woad off after a costume competition at an SF convention) and she has managed to cover *everything* with a single, normal sized facecloth.... it's quite impressive ("everything" in this case being that which is covered by a bikini swimsuit for the sake of "decency" while swiming in a public place... just to clarify) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 06:08:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15112 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:08:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FAA7L27343; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:10:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FAA4p11222; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:10:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9uZp07995 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:56:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id DAA25214 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:16:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200208151016.DAA25214@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO wrote: > > Hey, you should join the ladies' temperance movement, they were SUCH fun! > everyone booed happily when they marched past, they had a blast! Mwhahah. We have fun razzing the temperance folks every year at Dickens Fair. It was even better this last year because we were running a medicine show. "See, it's MEDICINE!" >glug< That, and we actually know more of the real american temperance movement songs than the actors do...They seem to only actually know "Away with Rum." Which means we have even more fun singing twisted and wrong versions of the historical songs. Water is the strong stuff, It holds up whales and ships! Water is the wrong stuff, Don't let it pass your lips! It soaks your suits It rots your boots Puts aches in all your bones Dilute it well with whiskey, aye Or LEAVE IT WELL ALONE. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 06:08:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15117 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:08:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FAAmL27386; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:10:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FAAlp11390; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:10:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F9ldp06078 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:47:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBOEES2PS005ZU5@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:47:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBOEE66EC004K3S@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:47:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:42:44 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:42:14 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:42:13 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials In-reply-to: <20020814215901.3535.26281.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <49266BB11F6@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, King of the Far-Isles, part-time Knave, Creature of air and darkness, and Hairdresser of Death apparently!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 06:27:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15165 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:27:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FAT3L27897; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:29:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FAT1p15398; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FAHgp12934 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:17:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBPFU22IO0032ZR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:17:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBPFT9UA400640C@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:17:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:12:53 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:12:46 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:12:40 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Square Pegs In-reply-to: <20020815034029.8228.48206.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <492E8F77299@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:12:40 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > A kiwi girl I shared a flat with for a while told me it ran for six > > seasons in New Zealand.. > > She lied. > > Or maybe they run the same few episodes over & over because I think it > only got ONE or two seasons. Or mistook it for a nother show, perhaps.... I was remeniscing about it, so she could have misrememebred the name of some other show, I suppose. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 06:40:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15226 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:40:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FAgIL28308; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:42:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FAgGp18356; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:42:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FAXEp16330 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:33:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBPYYJQYO006LUW@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:33:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBPYWA1M60071UJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:33:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:28:16 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:27:18 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:27:09 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Doris Day ( WAS: Yellow!) In-reply-to: <20020815034029.8228.48206.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <49327007061@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:27:09 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Teddy, I hardly ever drink (can count on one hand the number of > timee I've been drink in my life) and even my favorite artists > played loudly at 6am would cause me to throw things at the > responsible party!! Which makes it a very satisfactory revenge against peopel who inist on playing loud music late at night when those of us who are early risers are trying to sleep. Especially if those who ignore requests to turn it off or down. And it worked too. When I did it at the hall of residence, the frequencey and volume of the late-night sessions diminished considerably. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 06:48:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15273 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:48:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FAorL28557; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FAopp20101; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:50:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FAYCp16565 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBQ16WYJ4006CSU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:34:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBQ13WCYC004K3S@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:34:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:29:17 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:29:07 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:28:57 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Square Pegs In-reply-to: <20020815034029.8228.48206.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4932EBC4D63@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:28:57 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > A kiwi girl I shared a flat with for a while told me it ran for six > > seasons in New Zealand.... but I can't imagine them making that many > > episodes if it got cancelled in the US almost immediately. > > I honestly have never heard of it. And while we do indeed tned to run > unsuccessful US shows here.. if they'd been cancelled we wouldn't have > had any to screen;0 > > What was it? Put very simply it was a sitcom about unpopular kids in school *determined* to be popular. I guess I empathised with them.... It never worked for them any better than it did for me. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 06:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15291 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:54:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FAu2L28718; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FAu1p21152; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FAhjp18641 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91AAD10F27A for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D00BC10F194 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <089401c24448$9a362910$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <25.2c228d8c.2a8c7bb2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Duster MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_088D_01C24427.0E7076E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:43:25 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_088D_01C24427.0E7076E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My BIL has a stunning long black duster. It looks wonderful on him, very = dramatic, with his huge black eyes and black beard. Of course, the = effect is somewhat spoiled when he folds himself into my sister's bright = yellow Ford Focus!! Dianne ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AlbertCat@aol.com=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Duster Could it be that the black denim cowboy duster rage of the '80 is = forgotten?????=20 ------=_NextPart_000_088D_01C24427.0E7076E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My BIL has a stunning long black = duster. It looks=20 wonderful on him, very dramatic, with his huge black eyes and black = beard. Of=20 course, the effect is somewhat spoiled when he folds himself into my = sister's=20 bright yellow Ford Focus!!

Dianne
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Could it be = that the=20 black denim cowboy duster rage of the '80 is forgotten?????=20 ------=_NextPart_000_088D_01C24427.0E7076E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 07:02:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15338 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:02:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FB4dL29107; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FB4bp23176; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:04:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FAqFp20406 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:52:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBQNKCYHS006CSU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:52:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBQNG3AT4006PGX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:52:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:47:18 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:47:00 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:46:53 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen colors In-reply-to: <20020815034029.8228.48206.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4937B1870C9@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:46:52 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > If you can get hold of it try Dylon colour remover. It is > excelelnt in things I've used it. I got a terribly 90s looking > fuschia and white silk chiffon to be just white, and some old > printed silk sarees to lose most of their colour. I too recommend Dylon dye remover - but use the machine version as it's really easy - just throw the fabric in the machine, mix the remover and pour it in once the machine has filled (the soap compartment for front-loaders, I assume you can add it direct tot he drum in top-loading machines) and leave it to run through the wash-cycle. I've doen this time and again - often to strip colour from tired- looking costumes to re-vamp them in a new colour. Last year's orange cotton damask 15th century hose are now bright royal blue and the matching short houpellande is now a deep/dark green The red hose that were redyed fuscia for last year are a light sandstone colour this year (that's the colour they ended up after the second lot of dye was stripped and I've left it as I sort of like it. Next year I can decide which colour I want for that re-enactment season and re-dye them. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 07:16:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15367 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:16:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FBI8L29482; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBI7p26117; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:18:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FB2Ap22608 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:02:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBQZUTSPC006LA6@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:02:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBQZT47LU006PGX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:02:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:57:15 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:56:46 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:56:38 +0000 From: Teddy In-reply-to: <20020815101004.9357.26873.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <493A4B60C69@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Re: HELP! Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1193 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:56:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Anyone still got digest number 1193??? If so, can you forward it to me as I wasn't finished reading it when the system farted and blew the bugger somewhere unfindable! Many thanks!!! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 07:16:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15371 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:16:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FBIgL29515; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:18:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBIfp26265; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:18:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FB2Bp22630 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:02:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBQZUTSPC006LA6@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:02:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBQZT47LU006PGX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:02:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:57:16 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:56:46 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:56:38 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen colors In-reply-to: <20020815034029.8228.48206.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <493A4B67802@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:56:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > If you can get hold of it try Dylon colour remover. It is > excelelnt in things I've used it. I got a terribly 90s looking > fuschia and white silk chiffon to be just white, and some old > printed silk sarees to lose most of their colour. I too recommend Dylon dye remover - but use the machine version as it's really easy - just throw the fabric in the machine, mix the remover and pour it in once the machine has filled (the soap compartment for front-loaders, I assume you can add it direct tot he drum in top-loading machines) and leave it to run through the wash-cycle. I've doen this time and again - often to strip colour from tired- looking costumes to re-vamp them in a new colour. Last year's orange cotton damask 15th century hose are now bright royal blue and the matching short houpellande is now a deep/dark green The red hose that were redyed fuscia for last year are a light sandstone colour this year (that's the colour they ended up after the second lot of dye was stripped and I've left it as I sort of like it. Next year I can decide which colour I want for that re-enactment season and re-dye them. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 07:22:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15385 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:22:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FBO2L29707; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBO1p27665; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBHbp26019 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:17:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B25710F120 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B527810F0BE for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <097d01c2444d$56708360$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <491F288380E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:17:19 -0400 Status: RO > I know, I know!!! > > She lives in a lovely place called "Vogue Fabrics" > > > > Teddy Oh dear--well, it's going to take a long time to find her then. We'll have to search every shelf, look in every corner...this could take days.... Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 07:22:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15390 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:22:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FBOWL29720; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:24:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBOVp27796; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBIbp26234 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:18:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766CD10F0BE for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D6FB10F0CA for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <098301c2444d$7719df30$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <491ECBA0928@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:18:11 -0400 Status: RO . > > Now... payment.... hmmm..... Gold's no good as the pig would eat > it all, so it'll have to be something else... > > > > > Teddy > I'll defend your stash, Teddy, but you'll have to pay me in fabric. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 07:31:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15435 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:31:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FBXCL29975; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:33:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBX8p29838; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:33:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBN1p27409 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AC1D1E21BA; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:22:57 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020815112257.7AC1D1E21BA@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:22:57 BST Status: RO Teddy wrote : > > From: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk> > > > > The only H-cost person I found was Teddy: and Teddy is not new to > > me (still nice, though!) > > If i had seen you when you first arrived instead of just before you > left, I could have given you directions.... What a shame. We visited the Paladins first thing, but you weren't around. Ah well, life is like that. And we *did* find more to do than we had time for, in any case. > > Funny, that. My husband is, partly as a result of Kirby, about to > > sign up to be a Confederate. Artillery rather than infantry, but I > > think the uniform's the same (just less muddy!). I won't be making > > it, anyway (phew!), they have their own supplier. > > Does that mean you'll be getting appropriate period costume > together so you can go along to the events with him? Probably. I *could* dress up in uniform and do the fighting bit, they allow cross-dressing (did they have female soldiers for real?). But it doesn't really appeal. So I'll look up female costume for the period: stay low-class and easy to clean, then I can hang around the camp, maybe carry water and so on. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 07:44:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15487 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:44:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FBk8L00442; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:46:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBk6p02953; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBQRp28279 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:26:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p746-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.194.238] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17fIll-00028N-00; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:26:25 +1200 Message-ID: <004701c2444e$9a2ddcf0$eec2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <493A4B67802@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen colors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:26:29 +1200 Status: RO > > If you can get hold of it try Dylon colour remover. It is > > excelelnt in things I've used it. I got a terribly 90s looking > > fuschia and white silk chiffon to be just white, and some old > > printed silk sarees to lose most of their colour. > I too recommend Dylon dye remover - but use the machine version > as it's really easy - I've not seen that one here yet. I'll have to look for it in the machine dye section next time. thanks Teddy:) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 07:44:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15493 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:44:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FBkhL00487; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBkfp03093; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:46:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBQWp28302 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:26:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id C69C11E2170; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:26:28 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020815112628.C69C11E2170@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:26:28 BST Status: RO Teddy wrote : > > > No fair! Ganging up on poor defenseless little Evil-Bunnys wot > > > never did anybody no harm.... ever! > > > > > > Teddy > > > > Boss? Wanna hire the Strongoak Warband to defend the Stash? Very > > cheap, honest.... Luv, Sian > > Ooh! That's tight! I'm too new at this King business to remember > what wonderful resources are available.... And who fiercer at > defending fabric than a Warband of costumers. > > Now... payment.... hmmm..... Gold's no good as the pig would eat > it all, so it'll have to be something else... I'll have words with the rest of the Village, but how about payment in garb? Estelle was after a new dress, if you recall? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 07:50:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15516 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:50:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FBq3L00618; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBq1p04272; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBdBp01328 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:39:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 82CC41E1CB3; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:39:08 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen colors From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020815113908.82CC41E1CB3@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:39:08 BST Status: RO Teddy wrote : > Last year's > orange cotton damask 15th century hose are now bright royal blue > and the matching short houpellande is now a deep/dark green Did I read that correctly? You changed things *from* orange *to* another colour? Teddy, are you feeling all right? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 07:50:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15520 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:50:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FBqaL00646; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FBqXp04399; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:52:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7FBf0p01749 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020815114059.72388.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:40:59 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020815112257.7AC1D1E21BA@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:40:59 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > > Probably. I *could* dress up in uniform and do the fighting bit, they allow > cross-dressing (did they have female soldiers for real?). No they didn't except for the occasional few that appear in every period who dressed up as men and managed to muddle through without being detected. But it doesn't > really appeal. never did to me, stupid ugly uniforms and bang-bang (or clash-clash in pre-blackpowder periods). whoohoo how exciting. *snorts* :-) So I'll look up female costume for the period: stay low-class > and easy to clean, then I can hang around the camp, maybe carry water and so > on. Oh dear, sounds like another woman being dragged along? Don't let yourself be dragged along, do what YOU wnat to do, do you really want to do the above? srry, but it's a sore point with me, I spoke to too any women who were bored to the bones coz they 'went along' to what their hubbies or BF's were doing, either not being interested in re-enactment at all, or wanting to do something else/another period but didn't coz of being with hubbie. IF you feel that way, don't let it influence you. If not and you think you'll enjoy it, then go for it, lady! Nicole - Feminist re-enactress extraordinnaire ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 08:12:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15610 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:12:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FCE5L01321; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:14:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FCE3p09724; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FC40p07153 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id D53B21E1B15; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:03:56 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020815120356.D53B21E1B15@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:03:56 BST Status: RO N Kipar wrote : > never did to me, stupid ugly uniforms and bang-bang (or clash-clash in > pre-blackpowder periods). whoohoo how exciting. *snorts* :-) Ah, no: it doesn't appeal to me because it's guns. I prefer a sword. But no uniform, thanks. > Oh dear, sounds like another woman being dragged along? Don't let yourself > be > dragged along, do what YOU wnat to do, do you really want to do the above? > srry, but it's a sore point with me, Me too: don't worry, our relationship is far more often the other way round. Dave's been dressed up and come along to lots of events he wasn't really interested in: I'm delighted that for once he's doing something on his own without me dragging him into it. I'll see if this appeals, and to find out, I'll need to wear *something*. But in case it doesn't, it had better not be a something that takes too long or costs too much. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 08:43:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15742 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:43:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FCjGL02393; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FCj6p17517; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:45:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FCe0p16256 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m53.in-tch.com [216.166.191.53]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7FCPi917135 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:25:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5BA283.BF462882@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials References: <491F288380E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <097d01c2444d$56708360$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:45:55 -0600 Status: RO I'll volunteer to lead an expedition! --sue, always willing to explore unknown fabric locations ;-) Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > > I know, I know!!! > > > > She lives in a lovely place called "Vogue Fabrics" > > > > > > > > Teddy > > Oh dear--well, it's going to take a long time to find her then. We'll have > to search every shelf, look in every corner...this could take days.... > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 08:57:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15796 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:57:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FCx2L02838; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FCx1p21032; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FCjPp17605 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:45:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m53.in-tch.com [216.166.191.53]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7FCV9918396 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5BA3C8.31E7339@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands References: <200208151016.DAA25214@gw.retro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:51:20 -0600 Status: RO ROTFLMAO! --Sue, an American who doesn't know *any* temperance songs Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > > > Water is the strong stuff, > It holds up whales and ships! > Water is the wrong stuff, > Don't let it pass your lips! > It soaks your suits > It rots your boots > Puts aches in all your bones > Dilute it well with whiskey, aye > Or LEAVE IT WELL ALONE. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 09:05:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15872 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:05:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FD7eL03061; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:07:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FD7cp23229; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:07:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FCnHp18554 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:49:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m53.in-tch.com [216.166.191.53]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7FCZ1919267 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5BA4B1.B4627925@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands References: <20020815112257.7AC1D1E21BA@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:55:13 -0600 Status: RO Dunno....but I know there were records of women veterans from both sides of the _American_ civil war, at least..... --sue, who read it in a book jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > > Teddy wrote : > > > > From: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk> > > > > > > The only H-cost person I found was Teddy: and Teddy is not new to > > > me (still nice, though!) > > > > If i had seen you when you first arrived instead of just before you > > left, I could have given you directions.... What a shame. > > We visited the Paladins first thing, but you weren't around. Ah well, life is like that. And we *did* find more to do than we had time for, in any case. > Probably. I *could* dress up in uniform and do the fighting bit, they allow cross-dressing (did they have female soldiers for real?). But it doesn't really appeal. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 09:19:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15906 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:19:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FDL5L03497; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:21:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FDL3p27084; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FDB2p24130 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 98EA41E1E35; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:10:58 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020815131058.98EA41E1E35@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:10:58 BST Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote : > Dunno....but I know there were records of women veterans from both sides > of the _American_ civil war, at least..... > --sue, who read it in a book Yep, that's the war we're talking about. And why, it being American, I know next to nothing about it as yet. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 10:21:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16166 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:21:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FDd4L03988; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FDd3p02901; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FDYRp01368 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m53.in-tch.com [216.166.191.53]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7FDKB901226 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:20:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5BAF46.E9E4A3BA@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands References: <20020815131058.98EA41E1E35@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:40:22 -0600 Status: RO Hey, I *am* American, and I don't know that much, either. I suspect it'd be different if I actually lived in an area that'd been more directly affected by it, but I'm quite a bit west and/or north of the areas that participated in that particular war. I suspect it got touched on during my schooling as a child, but I know I didn't take much in the way of 19th c. American history (or literature, for that matter, although I did have to read _all_ of "Moby Dick") in college, being mostly interested in stuff that happened much earlier . --sue jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > > Sue Clemenger wrote : > > > Dunno....but I know there were records of women veterans from both sides > > of the _American_ civil war, at least..... > > --sue, who read it in a book > > Yep, that's the war we're talking about. And why, it being American, I know next to nothing about it as yet. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 10:29:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16184 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:29:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FEKOL06077; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:20:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FEJ5p16833; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7FE7Op12361 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OvuMUphEx2b/CIL+jwlH8yE="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G99SVRD5; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:07:09 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Duster Message-ID: <20020815.070757.-104109.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-27 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:03:43 +0000 Status: RO My mother (who hailed from Utah) always called it a housecoat. Arlys On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:31:16 +0100 "Jane Williams" writes: > On 14 Aug 2002 at 20:14, Audrey Bergeron-Morin > wrote: > > > Of course. Teddy was just kidding... > > Housecoat or what do you call it, overall? Something to go over > your clothes > > to protect them from dust (original meaning) or paint, or anything > of the > > kind. > > Well, I've never heard *that* meaning of the word > before! I was trying to figure out what you'd be doing > wearing a duster (the normal sort): a bit more use > than a fig leaf, but not by much. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 10:40:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16272 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:40:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FEfqL06986; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:41:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FEfHN25910; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:41:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailjaya.creighton.edu (MailjayA.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FEa5N23111 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:36:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by mailjaya.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA06906; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:36:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003601c24469$388fd3c0$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: , , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C2443F.4EBF8D40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Tudor-Stuart Embroidery patterns book(1/12" scale) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:37:01 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C2443F.4EBF8D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is for doll-house size projects but I just ordered Pamela Warner's = book on Embroidery Patterns for the Tudor-Stuart Doll's House. These are = supposed to be authentic designs Warner adapted to 1/12" scale and for = the experienced embroiderer, according to the review in the Aug issue of = Library Journal.=20 I will post a review for any interested parties, especially on the = fesibility of sizing up these patterns to fit dolls or their = environments. Cindy Abel ILL Coordinator Health Sciences Library Creighton University 2500 California Plaza Omaha NE 68178-0210 Phone: 402. 280-5144 Fax: 402.280-5134 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C2443F.4EBF8D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It is for doll-house size projects but = I just=20 ordered Pamela Warner's book on Embroidery Patterns for the Tudor-Stuart = Doll's=20 House. These are supposed to be authentic designs Warner adapted to = 1/12" scale=20 and for the experienced embroiderer, according to the review in the Aug = issue of=20 Library Journal.
 
I will post a review for any interested = parties,=20 especially on the fesibility of sizing up these patterns to fit dolls or = their=20 environments.
 
 
Cindy Abel
ILL Coordinator
Health = Sciences=20 Library
Creighton University
2500 California Plaza
Omaha NE=20 68178-0210
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------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C2443F.4EBF8D40-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 10:58:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16425 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:58:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FF0gL08267; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:00:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FEf9N25815; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FEWlN21503 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:32:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBYD1ZKDC006ZQQ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:32:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBYD13Q64005MCO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:32:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:27:57 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:27:37 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:27:32 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials In-reply-to: <20020815125901.21023.65082.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <497287B690D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 10:59:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16429 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:59:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FF0qL08295; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:00:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FEfDN25854; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FEZ9N22695 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBYFP4MK0003ATF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:34:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBYFK4992006B1O@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:34:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:29:59 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:29:52 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:29:44 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials In-reply-to: <20020815125901.21023.65082.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <497320F6A70@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:29:44 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I'll have words with the rest of the Village, but how about payment in > garb? Estelle was after a new dress, if you recall? And when, exactly would I get around to making it? They'd have a long wait for payment and I dread to think how much interest the debt would accrue in the meantime. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 11:05:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16457 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:05:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FF73L08710; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FF72N08831; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7FF1gN06224 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCj/aFzrCq3NWf1RTPu5Ey87tTVTEal2BnA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G99VZC7L; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:01:33 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials Message-ID: <20020815.100134.-235185.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-35 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:01:33 -0500 Status: RO Hehehehe......plus there are 3 different locations in the Chicago area. You'll have to look in all of them. And after you get done going over the Liz Caliborne stock over-run tables (multiple tables of 10 feet each), you'll have to get thru the shelves of pure wool, many of them for $10-15 a yard.....and the shelves of pure linen at $10 a yard.....and the silks......and the....... It will take you a long time to find me that way. Karen On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:27:31 +0000 (GMT) Teddy writes: > > > > I know, I know!!! > > > > > > She lives in a lovely place called "Vogue Fabrics" > > > > Oh dear--well, it's going to take a long time to find her then. > We'll > > have to search every shelf, look in every corner...this could > take > > days.... > > Sorry! I though it might help! > > > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 11:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16478 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:13:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FFFRL09286; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FFFMN13419; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fisher.vip.uk.com (fisher.vip.uk.com [194.176.218.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FF5iN08137 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:05:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-45-45-60-62.vip.uk.com ([62.60.45.45] helo=default) by fisher.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #2) id 17fMBy-0006C7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:05:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c2446c$84f1efc0$2d2d3c3e@default> From: "tracey.bradshaw" To: References: <001c01c24396$8d68b480$2c724ed5@melaniew> Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C24474.E52382C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:00:36 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C24474.E52382C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thankyou for your link it is very helpful tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Melanie Wilson=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval see www.walpurgis.co.uk for some ideas Mel ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C24474.E52382C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thankyou for your link it is very=20 helpful
 
tracey
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see www.walpurgis.co.uk for some=20 ideas
 
Mel
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C24474.E52382C0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 11:13:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16485 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:13:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FFFaL09309; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:15:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FFFVN13529; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:15:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7FF62N08291 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Ogb26rakcL6/lBroLCISvEQ="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G99V7XFE; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:05:09 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing Message-ID: <20020815.080612.-104109.5.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-48 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:45:23 +0000 Status: RO Soft furnishings! ;) Arlys On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:32:23 -0400 "Dianne and Greg Stucki" writes: > But---what does a nudist sew? > > Dianne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine Kinsey" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:48 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing > > > > > Clothes? What clothes? It's rare that I'm ever more than half > > > dressed when sewing. Admit it, you know you do it to... ;) > > > > Since my workroom is in a partially finished basement (stone > > foundation) I am usually dressed in layers, even in the summer as > it > > tends to be a bit cool. Yes, this is a pain if I am doing a lot > of > > fitting but I find trying to operate a sewing machine shivering > from > > cold to be a bit hazardous to my health, fingers in particular :). > > > > > I have a friend who is a nudist who always sews in the nude > (unless he > > has a none nudist friend visiting). He started sewing on an old > treadle > > machine out on his front porch in the country. > > > > Catherine > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 11:15:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16496 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:15:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FFHKL09469; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:17:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FF7AN08943; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:07:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7FF1gN06223 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCj/aFzrCq3NWf1RTPu5Ey87tTVTEal2BnA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G99VZC7L; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:01:33 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials Message-ID: <20020815.100134.-235185.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-35 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:01:33 -0500 Status: RO Hehehehe......plus there are 3 different locations in the Chicago area. You'll have to look in all of them. And after you get done going over the Liz Caliborne stock over-run tables (multiple tables of 10 feet each), you'll have to get thru the shelves of pure wool, many of them for $10-15 a yard.....and the shelves of pure linen at $10 a yard.....and the silks......and the....... It will take you a long time to find me that way. Karen On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:27:31 +0000 (GMT) Teddy writes: > > > > I know, I know!!! > > > > > > She lives in a lovely place called "Vogue Fabrics" > > > > Oh dear--well, it's going to take a long time to find her then. > We'll > > have to search every shelf, look in every corner...this could > take > > days.... > > Sorry! I though it might help! > > > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1193 - i have it now! In-reply-to: <20020815125901.21023.65082.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <49724F6176D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:26:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Thanks everyone, I have several coppies now (and, it turns out, only had one more messagfe to read anyway!!!) > Anyone still got digest number 1193??? > > If so, can you forward it to me as I wasn't finished reading it when > the system farted and blew the bugger somewhere unfindable! > > Many thanks!!! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 11:25:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16547 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:25:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FEvuL07920; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:57:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FEnLN29812; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:49:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FEasN23489 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:36:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLBYI3FBWG006ZQQ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:36:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLBYI1V9JM005MCO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:36:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:32:00 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:31:51 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.71) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:31:48 +0000 From: Teddy In-reply-to: <20020815125901.21023.65082.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4973A810570@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Re: linen colours Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:31:48 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Did I read that correctly? You changed things *from* orange *to* > another colour? > > Teddy, are you feeling all right? Fine - it's a *very* bright blue. I mixed "bright turquoise" with ""royal blue".... and the orange was looking a bit faded anyway... and I left the underdoublet orange (perked it up a bit by overdying it with "sunshine yellow") Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 11:57:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16679 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:57:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FFx4Y02366; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FFx1N08566; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FFkjN01015 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:46:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06319 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:48:52 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials In-Reply-To: <491F288380E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:48:51 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Teddy wrote: > > > Oh no! You won't catch me out that easily.....even if I am blonde. And > > besides, even if I told you that I live near Chicago, that leaves an > > awful lot of area to search. > > > > I know, I know!!! > > She lives in a lovely place called "Vogue Fabrics" Why, what a coincidence. That's where I stay every time I visit Chicago. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 11:57:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16687 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:57:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FFxmY02430; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FFxlN09029; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:59:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FFnxN03039 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06344 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:52:08 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen (was: My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit) In-Reply-To: <20020815082757.70439.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:52:08 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > Kick me, but I lost the mails with the URL for the archive and > accidentally dleted my bookmark! ARGH! Sorry... could someone plase... http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 11:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16694 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:58:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FFxsY02457; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:59:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FFxqN09097; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:59:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FFukN07201 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:56:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p176.directcon.net [209.233.107.176]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g7FFuEXu022197; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:56:16 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020815090046.0129d980@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Duster In-Reply-To: <25.2c228d8c.2a8c7bb2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:00:46 -0700 Status: RO At 11:36 PM 08/14/2002 EDT, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >Could it be that the black denim cowboy duster rage of the '80 is >forgotten????? Not here! Our local group of Olde West Reenactors is convinced that they're the height of historical accuracy. This is the same group whose women have transcended the polyester satin saloon girl outfit, and run around on the public streets in camisoles and bloomers, made up in easter egg pastels. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 11:58:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16698 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:58:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FG00Y02500; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:00:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FFxxN09193; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:59:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FFuVN07051 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06401 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:58:39 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bases and Breeches, was re: Pleats In-Reply-To: <49253BF1CCA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:58:39 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Teddy wrote: > Can't recalll the actual date of it, but it's one of the few paintings > that is not commonly reproduced in books about Lotto and his work. I > wish I'd had a chance to see it in person like Robin did. And I'm only guessing it's the same one I saw at the National Gallery in DC in about 1999 -- but I believe it was a Lotto show, so that make would make sense. And if that wasn't the one, there's another that's awfully similar out there! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 11:58:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16705 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:58:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FG0DY02572; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:00:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FG0BN09365; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:00:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7FFrbN05226 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:53:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Thu Aug 15 10:53:35 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:53:35 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:53:30 -0500 Status: RO > But---what does a nudist sew? ROTFL!! I've known him for years and never thought of it like that :). He's developed his own line of renfest wear, very comfortable. A lot of the SCA folk will probably recognize him: http://www.tgertoggs.com/ Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 12:24:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16919 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:24:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FGQ3Y04798; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:26:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FGQ2N24846; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FGJdN21059 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:19:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip137.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.137]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7FGJZV23310 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:19:36 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bases and Breeches, was re: Pleats Message-ID: <3D5B7494.25072.45DE6A@localhost> Priority: normal References: <20020814215901.3535.26281.Mailman@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: <49253BF1CCA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:29:56 -0700 Status: RO > St Dominic resuscitating Cardinal Fossinova's nephiew > (sometimes called the Miracle of St Dominic) by Lorenzo Lotto. I > believe it's housed in an Italian gallery... in Bergamo. > > It's the picture I searched for a clear image of for several years - > to see if it gave any hint as to the fastening of the bodice the bases > are attached to, only to discover it doesn't... though a similar > garment in a painting in the national gallery shows lacings up the > side-front opening. > > Can't recalll the actual date of it, but it's one of the few paintings > that is not commonly reproduced in books about Lotto and his work. I > wish I'd had a chance to see it in person like Robin did. > > Hope this helps Yes. If it is Lorenzo Lotto, I know his time period of work and can date it by that. My Lotto books must not have a complete collection as I've never seen this one or heard it referred to. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 12:36:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17052 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:36:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FGcNY06008; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:38:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FGcLN02281; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:38:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FGJfN21096 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:19:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip137.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.137]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7FGJcV23318 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Message-ID: <3D5B7494.14058.45DEB5@localhost> Priority: normal References: <20020814215901.3535.26281.Mailman@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: <4923E1132AF@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:29:56 -0700 Status: RO > > Housecoat or what do you call it, overall? Something to go over your > > clothes to protect them from dust (original meaning) or paint, or > > anything of the kind. > > It weould probably be referrd to as a "pinnie" in some places in the > UK. It's what my mother and her family called them. > > "I can't go out in me pinnie, like this! Wait while I change into me > coat." Generally a "pinnie" refers to an apron or pinafore, not the the duster/housecoat. Of course there are sometimes local usages which may differ from this (even in England, where the term originated.) Nicole in her nurse uniform she wore to Kirby hall could be considered to be wearing a "pinnie" for instance. They were often a part of school or nurse uniforms. They are still worn sometimes by candystripers (junior hospital volunteers in the US) although they are no longer called "pinnies" or pinafores here in the US. Kat kat@grendal.rain.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 12:37:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17063 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:37:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FGdPY06099; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:39:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FGdON02854; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:39:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FGKHN21485 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:20:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06609 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:22:26 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:22:26 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > > But---what does a nudist sew? > > ROTFL!! I've known him for years and never thought of it like that :). > He's developed his own line of renfest wear, very comfortable. A lot > of the SCA folk will probably recognize him: http://www.tgertoggs.com/ Ohmigod. I met him when he was about 16. Hard to imagine he is (as his website declares) 37 now! (And a nudist? Hmm.) Do you hear the creaks as my mental image readjusts? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 12:38:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17072 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:38:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FGe2Y06168; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FGe1N03188; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gpvissmtpgw02.splitrock.net (gpvissmtpgw02.splitrock.net [63.254.138.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7FGTjN26979 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:29:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 2527 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 16:29:44 -0000 Received: from 207-191-202-36.cpe.ats.mcleodusa.net (HELO tulani) (207.191.202.36) by gpvissmtpgw.splitrock.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 16:29:44 -0000 Message-ID: <00da01c24478$f1d927a0$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> From: "Avien" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] feathers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:29:23 -0500 Status: RO Hello, I have recently bought some ostrich feathers and peacock feathers that were...shed from the bird? Essentially I mean that I did not buy them from a store but from a bird ranch of some sort. Do these feathers have to be treated in any way before I use them? I was planning on using them on hats and making a fan out of them. I have two cats and while I will hide them, I just know that they will somehow find the feathers and destroy them. Good thing I bought way more than what I need. =) Thanks for any help! Avien _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 12:46:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17102 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:46:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FGmCY07065; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FGmBN08009; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:48:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf17bis.bellsouth.net (mail317.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.177]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FGW9N28366 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:32:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.74]) by imf17bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020815134404.LFVV11894.imf17bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:44:04 -0400 Message-ID: <00a001c24461$33bff5d0$4a144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: <20020815131058.98EA41E1E35@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> <3D5BAF46.E9E4A3BA@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:39:35 -0400 Status: RO In my little town, we had a Confederate prison here. And there are all sorts of old buttons and bullets for sales.... Apollonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands > Hey, I *am* American, and I don't know that much, either. I suspect > it'd be different if I actually lived in an area that'd been more > directly affected by it, but I'm quite a bit west and/or north of the > areas that participated in that particular war. I suspect it got > touched on during my schooling as a child, but I know I didn't take much > in the way of 19th c. American history (or literature, for that matter, > although I did have to read _all_ of "Moby Dick") in college, being > mostly interested in stuff that happened much earlier . > --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 12:59:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17156 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:59:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FH1BY08495; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:01:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FH19N15924; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from s890.widexs.nl (s890.widexs.nl [212.204.254.94]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FGj1N06124 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by s890.widexs.nl (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9BCF51C2A3; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:51:17 +0200 (MEST) From: Chiara To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] feathers References: <00da01c24478$f1d927a0$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> In-reply-to: <00da01c24478$f1d927a0$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Host: [199.91.36.254] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: XS2Mail/0.4 (http://www.xs2mail.com/) Message-Id: <20020815165117.9BCF51C2A3@s890.widexs.nl> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7FGj1N06124 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:51:17 -0000 Status: RO My nanny says that you have to put them in a bag and hang them in a dark place like a closet or attic for about a month before using them. This will kill any small insects that live in the feathers and other parasites from the birds. Good luck! :) Ches On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:29:23 -0500, Avien wrote: >Hello, > >I have recently bought some ostrich feathers and peacock feathers that >were...shed from the bird? Essentially I mean that I did not buy them from >a store but from a bird ranch of some sort. Do these feathers have to be >treated in any way before I use them? I was planning on using them on hats >and making a fan out of them. I have two cats and while I will hide them, I >just know that they will somehow find the feathers and destroy them. Good >thing I bought way more than what I need. =) > >Thanks for any help! >Avien > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 13:16:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17251 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:16:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FHIFY10339; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:18:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FHIDN26136; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:18:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FHBgN22404 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:11:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07094 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:13:50 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-Reply-To: <3D5B7494.14058.45DEB5@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:13:50 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > Nicole in her nurse uniform she wore to Kirby hall could be considered > to be wearing a "pinnie" for instance. They were often a part of > school or nurse uniforms. They are still worn sometimes by > candystripers (junior hospital volunteers in the US) although they are > no longer called "pinnies" or pinafores here in the US. Depending on how they fasten, they might be called "jumpers." That's a general term for any sleeveless dress (as opposed to a tie-in-the-back apron) designed to be worn over a shirt or blouse. And that leads to more confusion in US/UK translations. (My English friend Sue, who lived briefly in the US, tells of the time an American neighbor asked what she was knitting for her husband. "A jumper," said Sue. Ouch...) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 13:16:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17255 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:16:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FHIPY10360; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FHIPN26277; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:18:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FHHBN25518 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:17:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip163.100-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.100.163]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7FHH7o19649 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] feathers Message-ID: <3D5B821E.2878.7AC3EE@localhost> Priority: normal References: <00da01c24478$f1d927a0$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> In-reply-to: <20020815165117.9BCF51C2A3@s890.widexs.nl> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:27:42 -0700 Status: RO > My nanny says that you have to put them in a bag and hang them in a > dark place like a closet or attic for about a month before using them. > This will kill any small insects that live in the feathers and other > parasites from the birds. This is good, but sometimes the mites have a chance to eat the feathers during that first month. You might want to carefully wash them and dry them first. Freezing works too, but it just slows the mites down. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 13:37:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17389 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:37:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FHd6Y12270; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:39:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FHd5N08160; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FHLSN28059 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A3CEE4201E6; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:24:30 -0500 Message-ID: <006601c24480$25d95d20$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <00da01c24478$f1d927a0$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> <20020815165117.9BCF51C2A3@s890.widexs.nl> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] More feathers questions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:21:09 -0400 Status: RO I have a white feather fan that needs cleaning. Does anyone have suggestions for cleaning it? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 14:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17561 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:17:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FIJJY16063; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FIJGN00768; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:19:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FI8tN24924 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net [216.42.124.233] by infoblvd.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A0943F3C013E; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:19:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3D5BF108.9DEB2430@infoblvd.net> From: straight X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] feathers References: <00da01c24478$f1d927a0$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: straight@infoblvd.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:20:56 -0400 Status: RO You can wash feathers. After all, they've been living on a bird for a year, in all kinds of weather. Birds only molt once a year, including peafowl, who are apt to drag that long tail in the dirt quite often. Think of them as cut hair. You can swish them in some soap and water, rinse, lay them on a towel, maybe blow dry a little. That's what the bird does, gets mostly dried off, then preens and arranges them all nicely. You can do the same. A VERY soft brush will work, sometimes just shaking them out, combing a little with your fingers. Might even use a little light hairspray. You can dye them too. Do remember that they hold up pretty well, but aren't going to last forever. They do deteriorate over time, bugs and mice love them, they don't withstand abrasion or a lot of hot sun very well either. Just enjoy -----most all birds molt in late summer every year, after they're done raising babies, and grow a whole new set of feathers. They keep on coming! Diane S. ------with lots of birds, but no peafowl this particular summer. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 15:16:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17871 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:16:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FJI5Y21579; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:18:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FJI3N02965; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:18:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FJAuN28845 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:10:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AD7752000CC; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:13:59 -0500 Message-ID: <00cf01c2448f$6fa9b440$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <00da01c24478$f1d927a0$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> <3D5BF108.9DEB2430@infoblvd.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] feathers X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:10:35 -0400 Status: RO My feathers are glued on a fan. The fan is plastic or bakelite. I wonder if washing it will remove the glue. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 15:16:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17877 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:16:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FJIMY21627; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:18:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FJILN03151; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:18:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f60.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FJEGN00870 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:14:10 -0700 Received: from 12.231.157.178 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:14:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.157.178] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen colors& thanks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2002 19:14:10.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF8EF210:01C2448F] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:14:10 -0700 Status: RO I'm sorry, I bought it because I desperately wanted some better quality fibers for my own clothes. I just can't abide the color orange. Sorry Teddy. Thanks to everyone for the great advice. I know where to get dylon dyes, so I assume I can get the dye remover there too. Jennifer >Ooh ooh ooh!! I'll buy it from you!! > >Dianne Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 15:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18044 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:43:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FJj5Y24156; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:45:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FJj3N17819; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7FJhpN17116 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OkuSFg6NyiB1hvEygbmIPCU="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id HAAD5QUG; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:43:33 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Message-ID: <20020815.124445.-104109.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:00:35 +0000 Status: RO Aren't they usually called "jumpers" here? Arlys > Nicole in her nurse uniform she wore to Kirby hall could be > considered to be wearing a "pinnie" for instance. They were often a > part of school or nurse uniforms. They are still worn sometimes by > candystripers (junior hospital volunteers in the US) although they > are no longer called "pinnies" or pinafores here in the US. > > > Kat > kat@grendal.rain.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 15:52:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18087 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:52:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FJs4Y25009; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FJs3N22762; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FJpsN21592 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust203.tnt8.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([63.25.108.203] helo=hppav) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17fQek-0000Yj-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:51:44 -0400 Message-ID: <00d501c24495$b6d196c0$cb6c193f@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Kirby Hall Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:54:52 -0500 Status: RO if it rains with a_cameo_ army issue rain jacket on top of it. *L* Oh, do you have a picture of this? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 16:01:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18176 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:01:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FK3TY25938; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FK3SN27914; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:03:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FK1eN26905 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:01:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ANGELA (adsl-63-202-198-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.198.62]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7FK1dj180106 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:01:39 -0400 Message-ID: <019f01c24496$d238b4b0$0c0010ac@ANGELA> From: "Angela F. Lazear- Cabbage Rose" To: References: <00da01c24478$f1d927a0$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> <3D5BF108.9DEB2430@infoblvd.net> <00cf01c2448f$6fa9b440$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] feathers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:03:27 -0700 Status: RO Penny I washed a sweater with the feathers on it, and they dried very nicely. Try mild soap first, and don't soak the portion that is glued. You can always replace the feathers in a pinch. After soaping and gently massaging out the dirt, I let the feather air dry and finished it off with a gentle setting on my blow dryer. good luck angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "I have no other but a woman's reason: I think him so, because I think him so." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] feathers > My feathers are glued on a fan. The fan is plastic or bakelite. I wonder > if washing it will remove the glue. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 16:10:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18224 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:10:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FKC4Y26883; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:12:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FKC3N02730; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FKACN01718 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:10:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust203.tnt8.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([63.25.108.203] helo=hppav) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17fQwZ-0001VP-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:10:07 -0400 Message-ID: <00e101c24498$48344ca0$cb6c193f@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states/ NASCAR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:13:52 -0500 Status: RO North American Stock Car Association Race I think. And yes they race just about anything that you _could_ drive on the street. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 16:37:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18341 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:37:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FKd2Y29674; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FKd1N18466; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FKa3N16722 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust203.tnt8.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([63.25.108.203] helo=hppav) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17fRLa-0003Kw-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:35:58 -0400 Message-ID: <00ef01c2449b$e4db6b80$cb6c193f@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Hijab (was forehead cloths)/Buffy Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:39:44 -0500 Status: RO Yea, another Buffy Fan. Buffy: Does it ever get easy? Giles: You mean life? Buffy: Yeah. Does it get easy? Giles: What do you want me to say? Buffy: (looks up at him) Lie to me. Giles: (considers a moment) Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after. Buffy: Liar _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 16:46:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18394 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:46:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FKm2Y00777; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FKm1N23582; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FKeDN19114 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.102]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0W00M47K2Y1H@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:40:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] More feathers questions In-reply-to: <006601c24480$25d95d20$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020815125707.00cbcca0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <00da01c24478$f1d927a0$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> <20020815165117.9BCF51C2A3@s890.widexs.nl> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:59:54 -0700 Status: RO >I have a white feather fan that needs cleaning. Does anyone have >suggestions for cleaning it? Put it inside a big Ziploc with some cornstarch, and shake it around inside there. The cornstarch will collect the dirt and grease from the feathers. I think that's what my grandmother used to do. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 16:46:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18398 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:46:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FKmEY00799; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FKmDN23734; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FKfJN19833 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE65410F22A for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 016CF10F2F3 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0ae101c2449c$15a6e000$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020815.080612.-104109.5.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:41:08 -0400 Status: RO Prolly NOT leather...just a guess here... Dianne home from the way too hot amusement park but the kids had a ball! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing > Soft furnishings! ;) > > Arlys > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:32:23 -0400 "Dianne and Greg Stucki" > writes: > > But---what does a nudist sew? > > > > Dianne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Catherine Kinsey" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:48 PM > > Subject: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing > > > > > > > > Clothes? What clothes? It's rare that I'm ever more than half > > > > dressed when sewing. Admit it, you know you do it to... ;) > > > > > > Since my workroom is in a partially finished basement (stone > > > foundation) I am usually dressed in layers, even in the summer as > > it > > > tends to be a bit cool. Yes, this is a pain if I am doing a lot > > of > > > fitting but I find trying to operate a sewing machine shivering > > from > > > cold to be a bit hazardous to my health, fingers in particular :). > > > > > > > > I have a friend who is a nudist who always sews in the nude > > (unless he > > > has a none nudist friend visiting). He started sewing on an old > > treadle > > > machine out on his front porch in the country. > > > > > > Catherine > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 16:46:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18402 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:46:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FKmIY00826; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FKmHN23778; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:48:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FKhiN21060 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:43:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75F910F2CE for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E41A10F254 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0b1b01c2449c$6c2c1350$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20020815090046.0129d980@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Duster MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:43:33 -0400 Status: RO > This is the same group whose women have transcended the polyester satin > saloon girl outfit, and run around on the public streets in camisoles and > bloomers, made up in easter egg pastels. Oh, my eyes! My eyes!! Dianne hate pastels, hate em hate em hate em > > Margo > > > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 16:50:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18427 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:50:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FKqOY01340; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:52:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FKqNN26260; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FKloN23431 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A42E6BE00CC; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:50:54 -0500 Message-ID: <00ef01c2449c$f80bb920$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <00da01c24478$f1d927a0$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> <3D5BF108.9DEB2430@infoblvd.net> <00cf01c2448f$6fa9b440$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <019f01c24496$d238b4b0$0c0010ac@ANGELA> Subject: Re: [h-cost] feathers X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:47:28 -0400 Status: RO Thank you Angela! I will give it a try. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela F. Lazear- Cabbage Rose" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] feathers > Penny > > I washed a sweater with the feathers on it, and they dried very nicely. Try > mild soap first, and don't soak the portion that is glued. You can always > replace the feathers in a pinch. After soaping and gently massaging out the > dirt, I let the feather air dry and finished it off with a gentle setting on > my blow dryer. > > good luck > > angela > +++++ > Angela F. Lazear > Cabbage Rose Costumes > Theatrical Costume Design > www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > "I have no other but a woman's reason: > I think him so, because I think him so." > W. Shakespeare > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Penny Ladnier" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] feathers > > > > My feathers are glued on a fan. The fan is plastic or bakelite. I wonder > > if washing it will remove the glue. > > > > Penny Ladnier > > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > > http://www.costumegallery.com > > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 17:22:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18605 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:22:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FLO6Y05693; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FLO4N15602; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7FLH8N11797 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Thu Aug 15 16:17:05 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:17:06 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:17:02 -0500 Status: RO Ohmigod. I met him when he was about 16. Hard to imagine he is (as his website declares) 37 now! (And a nudist? Hmm.) Do you hear the creaks as my mental image readjusts? --Robin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind of like mine, trying to remember that you've got two kids now :). I learned a lot from T'g, or rather because of him. We both got started in the SCA about the same time but I had the 'how-to' background for sewing ingrained by my mom and some home-ec in school. Don't get me wrong, my mother taught me well, but I had never worked without a net (pattern, step-by-step instructions, etc.). T'g and I compared notes as we got our feet wet learning to make garb and watching what he could do without the 'havetodoitthisway' baggage that I had really helped open my eyes. Now if I use a commercial pattern it's only because someone wants something specific. Or it's Margo's patterns :). Anyone else remember an ephiphany when they realised they didn't *have* to do it the way Butterick, Simplicty or McCall's said they had to? Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 17:22:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18609 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:22:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FLONY05742; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FLOMN15748; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:24:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7FLKXN13709 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:20:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020815212032.27425.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:20:32 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00d501c24495$b6d196c0$cb6c193f@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:20:32 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Genie wrote: > if it rains with a_cameo_ army issue rain jacket on top of it. *L* > > Oh, do you have a picture of this? Uhm no, demmit, I forgot :-) Next time... (because in England there is ALWAYS a next time to be rained upon or get stuck in the mud or floods at re-enactment). Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 17:40:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18694 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:40:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FLg3Y07519; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FLg1N25618; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FLdSN24105 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:39:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746A710F8DB for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EF4E010F8DF for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0c5601c244a4$3402a8b0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <00ef01c2449b$e4db6b80$cb6c193f@hppav> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hijab (was forehead cloths)/Buffy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:39:15 -0400 Status: RO Count me in too! LOVE Buffy!! Bay City Rollers...THAT's music Giles Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genie" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] Hijab (was forehead cloths)/Buffy > Yea, another Buffy Fan. > > Buffy: Does it ever get easy? > Giles: You mean life? > Buffy: Yeah. Does it get easy? > Giles: What do you want me to say? > Buffy: (looks up at him) Lie to me. > Giles: (considers a moment) Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are > always stalwart and true, the bad guys are > easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we > always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody > lives happily ever after. > Buffy: Liar > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 17:49:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18738 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:49:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FLp4Y08387; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:51:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FLp3N00909; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FLlFN28523 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE45810F991 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 624D710F97C for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0c7f01c244a5$4cf655a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:47:07 -0400 Status: RO > Anyone else remember an ephiphany when they realised they didn't *have* > to do it the way Butterick, Simplicty or McCall's said they had to? > > Catherine Sure do. Had it a couple of weeks ago when I drafted a corset using Drea's pattern generator and it FIT. Now I see whole worlds of possibilities, limited only by financial status!! The ability to draft my own patterns gives me total freedom--and I never, ever believed I could actually do it until I did. Wow. Dianne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 18:07:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18846 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:07:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FM95Y09948; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FM94N10884; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FM22N07033 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net [216.42.124.233] by infoblvd.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A7295700FC; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:11:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3D5C2797.4D26109A@infoblvd.net> From: straight X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: straight@infoblvd.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:13:43 -0400 Status: RO <<<<<<<<<<>>>. YES!! Actually, I think it was when I was making baby dresses, and there was no way on earth I was going to sit there and do set in sleeves in the "traditional" manner. I only had naptime to get it done! Diane S. ---making granddaughter dresses this week. Those cut-and-sew panel jobs are easy, cheap, and cute! They fit well too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 18:07:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18850 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:07:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FM9KY09973; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:09:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FM9JN11023; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:09:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FM4RN08409 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:04:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.95] (as3-4-109.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.95]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7FM4PE06524 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00da01c24478$f1d927a0$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> References: <00da01c24478$f1d927a0$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] feathers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:33:49 -0700 Status: RO At 11:29 AM -0500 8/15/02, Avien wrote: >Hello, > >I have recently bought some ostrich feathers and peacock feathers that >were...shed from the bird? Essentially I mean that I did not buy them from >a store but from a bird ranch of some sort. Do these feathers have to be >treated in any way before I use them? I was planning on using them on hats >and making a fan out of them. I have two cats and while I will hide them, I >just know that they will somehow find the feathers and destroy them. Good >thing I bought way more than what I need. =) Since they came "direct from the bird" as it were, I might suggest, simply as a precaution, sealing them in a plastic bag for a while with something designed to kill both insects and insect eggs. (I understand that a few freeze-thaw cycles also work.) The danger in question is small feather mites and "feather lice" (don't worry -- they aren't transferrable to humans!). The latter actually feed on the feathers themselves, and the eggs are tricky to spot if you aren't familiar with them. You'd hate to put a lot of work into a fan, and then take it out of storage one day to discover holes chewed in it. Basically, use similar precautions as you would if you thought you had a moth infestation in your wool stash, except that you want to avoid getting the feathers wet. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 18:34:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18973 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:34:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FMa2Y12068; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FMa1N25705; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13502.mail.yahoo.com (web13502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7FMSkN21828 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:28:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020815222846.32519.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.192.1.15] by web13502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:28:46 PDT From: Sheila To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Beautiful Blackwork Sleeves Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Subject: Beautiful Blackwork Sleeves The Most Lovely Lady with the Most Beautiful Sleeves... http://arts.atenveldt.org/images/2002/maeve.jpg I know they took a couple of years to complete, I believe they are done in Stem-Stitch and double-running. And they are completely Reversible! This is Mistress Meadbh at Kingdom A&S Competition. She entered one sleeve last year and won the Needlework category, and won Kingdom Championship. The collar she is wearing is the Champions Collar and was passed to the new champion at the end of the event. Some more info on the sleeves..... " the sleeves are linen, the thread is varying sizes of silk (Splendor, Subtlety or Elegance, and Grandeur), and the overlay is the finest organza i could find (and i looked at a *lot* of organza's before making a decision. it is unfortunately the only synthetic part of the sleeves, but this was made before i found out about Thai Silks." YIS, Turrel Phoenix, AZ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 19:27:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19140 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:27:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7FNT8Y16233; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:29:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FNT1N21391; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7FNN7N18844 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09556 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:25:17 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:25:17 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > Do you hear the creaks as my mental image readjusts? > > --Robin > Kind of like mine, trying to remember that you've got two kids now :). And the oldest turns 9 next month. And I was in my 30s when I had him. (Catherine knew me when I was a ditzy college kid. I got better, though. Amazing what a couple of decades can do.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 20:45:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19428 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:45:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7G0l3Y20844; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G0l2N18903; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G0fVN17284 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:41:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m194.in-tch.com [216.166.191.194]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7G0RH913118 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:27:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5C4B9F.7C3DFAA2@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:47:27 -0600 Status: RO Somehow I just, just can't see you as ditsy.... Decades just made me older, slower, crankier..... (Hey, waitaminute...dern...I'm also older than Robin....*sigh*....) --sue, slinking back to the Northwest US Home for Wayward Costumers Going Through Mid-life Crises..... Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > > > Do you hear the creaks as my mental image readjusts? > > > > --Robin > > > Kind of like mine, trying to remember that you've got two kids now :). > > And the oldest turns 9 next month. And I was in my 30s when I had him. > > (Catherine knew me when I was a ditzy college kid. I got better, though. > Amazing what a couple of decades can do.) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 20:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19435 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:45:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7G0lRY20861; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:47:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G0lRN19045; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:47:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G0gWN17550 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:42:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m194.in-tch.com [216.166.191.194]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7G0SI913374 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:28:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5C4BDC.62456484@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials References: <20020815.100134.-235185.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:48:28 -0600 Status: RO Either that, or we'll bump into you, reaching for the same fabric bolt! --sue seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > Hehehehe......plus there are 3 different locations in the Chicago area. > You'll have to look in all of them. And after you get done going over the > Liz Caliborne stock over-run tables (multiple tables of 10 feet each), > you'll have to get thru the shelves of pure wool, many of them for $10-15 > a yard.....and the shelves of pure linen at $10 a yard.....and the > silks......and the....... > > It will take you a long time to find me that way. > > Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 15 22:05:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19692 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:05:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7G274Y24908; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G273N11836; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G23nN10879 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9352110EF6D for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CB73C10EF8D for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0e4c01c244c9$219085b0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020815.100134.-235185.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> <3D5C4BDC.62456484@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:03:30 -0400 Status: RO and the shelves of pure linen at $10 a yard.....and the > > silks......and the....... > > > > It will take you a long time to find me that way. > > > > Karen I'll spare the time! Dianne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 00:20:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20549 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:20:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7G4M2Y01790; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G4M1N19472; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g7G4JiD18805 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:19:44 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Unsubscribing Message-ID: <20020815221944.A17889@net.indra.com> References: <000f01c234c0$d2280b00$3364fc3e@db-books> <003b01c235a1$eaf189e0$082daf40@angelap3a8d978> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <003b01c235a1$eaf189e0$082daf40@angelap3a8d978> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:19:44 -0600 Status: RO On Sat, Jul 27, 2002 at 12:15:06PM -0700, Cabbage Rose wrote: > You need to write to Liz when she gets back and get a password. Then it will > recognize you as a member and let you into the unsubscribe portion. > > angela No, there's an option on the URL to have the password sent to you. I can't do it. http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ...eliz (not quite back from holiday - I'm in an airline lounge, and won't be home until Sunday) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 00:29:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20570 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:29:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7G4V6Y02294; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G4V5N22235; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:31:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G4RSN21218 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:27:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pool-63.53.187.113.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.187.113] helo=[63.53.187.245]) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17fYhq-0008Un-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:27:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Ramie cloth (WAS: linen colors) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:08:41 -0700 Status: RO At 1:46 PM -0700 8/14/02, Jennifer Sena wrote: >Since we've been on the linen subject I thought I'd ask about >removing the color from linen. I got 9.5yds of 54" wide >55%linen/45%cotton for $1.30yd. The problem is that it's >construction worker orange!! I know I could overdye, but I'd like >to lighten it up first so I have more options on what to dye for. >This is an intense orange. I managed to score a bunch of 100% ramie at the local Jo-Ann's today for . . . 88 cents a yard. Some of it's black, some of it's pale tan, and 8 yards of it is Lime Green -- definitely NOT my favorite color, but it's a nice texture, if a bit scratchy at the moment. Anybody had experience de-colorizing or dyeing ramie cloth? And what can one do with it? Can it get used for the same things as linen? Advantages and disadvantages? It does feel rather linen-like, but less wrinkly, although that might be due to the sizing; I'll see after it's washed. BTW, my textile dictionary surprised me: although ramie of Far Eastern origin, it's actually from a plant in the nettle family. So I seem to have an equivalent of "nettle linen" here. (And yes, the store _did_ have another bolt of the stuff in International Orange, but I passed on that one.....) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 01:23:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20779 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:23:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7G5P3Y04845; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G5P1N06669; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G5GXN04521 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:16:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.d0.2b82f4e4 (16930) for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:16:23 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ramie cloth (WAS: linen colors) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d0.2b82f4e4.2a8de4a6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:16:22 EDT Status: RO --part1_d0.2b82f4e4.2a8de4a6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/16/2002 12:31:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, claning@igc.org writes: > (And yes, the store _did_ have another bolt of the stuff in > International Orange, but I passed on that one.....) > Shoulda gotten it. I think it's easier to overdye orange into a number of yummy browns or cinnamon colors than to overdye lime green. Although an overdye of blue might get you a nice green. Or something reddish, like rose or wine, will kill the green and give you a nice brown. [always try a shade of the complimentary color and see what you get. For green it's red, but use a shade...even going into oranges and purples.] I'm sure Ramie dyes easily. --part1_d0.2b82f4e4.2a8de4a6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/16/2002 12:31:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, claning@igc.org writes:


(And yes, the store _did_ have another bolt of the stuff in
International Orange, but I passed on that one.....)


Shoulda gotten it. I think it's easier to overdye orange into a number of yummy browns or cinnamon colors than to overdye lime green. Although an overdye of blue might get you a nice green. Or something reddish, like rose or wine, will kill the green and give you a nice brown. [always try a shade of the complimentary color and see what you get. For green it's red, but use a shade...even going into oranges and purples.]
I'm sure Ramie dyes easily.
--part1_d0.2b82f4e4.2a8de4a6_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 01:23:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20783 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:23:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7G5PLY04869; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:25:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G5PLN06745; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:25:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G5NBN06142 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-32.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.32]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7G5NAf332432 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:23:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c244e5$0fa29cf0$202daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <000f01c234c0$d2280b00$3364fc3e@db-books> <003b01c235a1$eaf189e0$082daf40@angelap3a8d978> <20020815221944.A17889@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Unsubscribing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:23:31 -0700 Status: RO I think he figured it out... sorry Liz, I remembered wrong, what a surprise. ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Lear" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Unsubscribing > On Sat, Jul 27, 2002 at 12:15:06PM -0700, Cabbage Rose wrote: > > You need to write to Liz when she gets back and get a password. Then it will > > recognize you as a member and let you into the unsubscribe portion. > > > > angela > > No, there's an option on the URL to have the password sent to you. I > can't do it. > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ...eliz > (not quite back from holiday - > I'm in an airline lounge, and > won't be home until Sunday) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 01:50:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20879 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:49:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7G5q2Y05997; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G5q1N13177; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G5iJN11294 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:44:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.251]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020816054413.KPLP11061.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 05:44:13 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020816004011.00a9f010@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset stays In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020806092016.01f72450@shawmail> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:41:03 -0500 Status: RO One of my personal favorites is: http://www.macdonaldfaber.com/ Cheers, Danielle (who is now only 1100 emails behind...) At 09:20 AM 8/6/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Help! > >The only place that we know of in our local area (Vancouver, BC, Canada) >that carries metal corset stays has become very unreliable. Once in a >while you can go in and get some, but that is happening less and less. > >Can the good members of this list recommend a reliable mailorder source? >Is there somewhere in Canada (so we don't have to deal with duty and customs)? > >Thank you > >Peggy Stonnell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 02:17:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30566 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:17:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7G6J7Y06996; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:19:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G6J0N19190; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G6I1N19025 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.102]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0X00AZAATW1T@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:18:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules for Sewing In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020815231106.00cc1a60@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:12:45 -0700 Status: RO >Anyone else remember an ephiphany when they realised they didn't *have* >to do it the way Butterick, Simplicty or McCall's said they had to? I learned a lot by watching my mother do it, and she always changed around the commercial patterns. She made her own when she had to, and this was especially good for doll clothes (my dolls had blue-jeans before I did). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 03:29:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07953 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:29:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7G7V2Y09127; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G7V1N04166; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7G7OvN02901 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020816072456.1241.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:24:56 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Beautiful Blackwork Sleeves To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020815222846.32519.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:24:56 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sheila wrote: > Subject: Beautiful Blackwork Sleeves > > The Most Lovely Lady with the Most Beautiful > Sleeves... > > http://arts.atenveldt.org/images/2002/maeve.jpg Oh wow, this is drop dead gorgeous! Nicole - planning to sneak to wherever she is and nick the sleeves *G* ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 04:14:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA13643 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 04:14:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7G8G1Y10936; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G8G0N13779; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G8DtN13379 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:13:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb04la (unverified [10.1.200.106]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:09:19 -0700 thread-index: AcJE/DkH7nKM5Xz5QFKkDx3skBf/+A== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] feathers From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] feathers Message-ID: <024201c244fc$390743e0$6ac8010a@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0243_01C244C1.8CA86BE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:09:19 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0243_01C244C1.8CA86BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Penny, try gently rubbing talcum powder through the feathers, and then shaking and brushing it out. It should pick up any dirt and grease from the feathers. I've used this for several delicate things, and also removing oily marks from ordinary clothing, and it works beautifully. With it being a powder it doesn't push the dirt in further or embed itself, and just shakes/brushes out. Freyalyn _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Penny Ladnier > Sent: 8/15/2002 11:14:35 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] feathers > > My feathers are glued on a fan. The fan is plastic or bakelite. I wonder > if washing it will remove the glue. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_0243_01C244C1.8CA86BE0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Penny, try gently rubbing talcum powder through the feathers, and then shaking and brushing it out. It should pick up any dirt and grease from the feathers. I've used this for several delicate things, and also removing oily marks from ordinary clothing, and it works beautifully. With it being a powder it doesn't push the dirt in further or embed itself, and just shakes/brushes out.

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<-----Original Message----->
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> From: Penny Ladnier
> Sent: 8/15/2002 11:14:35 PM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] feathers
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> My feathers are glued on a fan. The fan is plastic or bakelite. I wonder
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------=_NextPart_000_0243_01C244C1.8CA86BE0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 05:35:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16099 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 05:35:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7G9b2Y13017; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G9b1N28179; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7G9XDN27516 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:33:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020816093313.10362.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:33:13 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen (was: My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:33:13 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Thanks Robin, Afetr careful thinking, turning and tossing, I've come back to my former conclusion that No, we can NOT have coloured linen garments, not even skirts. I hate to prove myself right when I try franticaly to prove myself wrong... :-) Guess it's back to the old wool prewashing for the rain & mud outfit. Nicole --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > > > Kick me, but I lost the mails with the URL for the archive and > > accidentally dleted my bookmark! ARGH! Sorry... could someone plase... > > http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion > http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives > > --Robin ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 08:44:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18587 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:44:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GCk7Y17913; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GCk1N07926; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10307.mail.yahoo.com (web10307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7GCg0N07111 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020816124200.73307.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.140.115.14] by web10307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:42:00 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2002259502-1029501720=:73305" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Tea party and mud at Kirby Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:42:00 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-2002259502-1029501720=:73305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit First of all, I'm really sorry for not making it to the tea party on Saturday evening - after the deluge I had a soggy everything-at-the-front-of-the-stall to sort out, as well as several soggy Union soldiers, and then our tent on the Conquest site as well (which having rafters was also used as a drying rack!). (Nicole - if you still want buttons, e-mail me or post to list to arrange.) Did anybody else see the loop-the-loops and the victory roll from the Spitfire (again)? And thanks for all the fab photos, esp. of the parade. (I just hope the Romans didn't do the can-can again!) As to mud - I knew it was going to be bad when, on arrival, we were stuck in a queue behind a bogged-in tank! Debbie. --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-2002259502-1029501720=:73305 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

First of all, I'm really sorry for not making it to the tea party on Saturday evening - after the deluge I had a soggy everything-at-the-front-of-the-stall to sort out, as well as several soggy Union soldiers, and then our tent on the Conquest site as well (which having rafters was also used as a drying rack!).  (Nicole - if you still want buttons, e-mail me or post to list to arrange.)

Did anybody else see the loop-the-loops and the victory roll from the Spitfire (again)?  And thanks for all the fab photos, esp. of the parade.  (I just hope the Romans didn't do the can-can again!)

As to mud - I knew it was going to be bad when, on arrival, we were stuck in a queue behind a bogged-in tank!

Debbie.



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http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-2002259502-1029501720=:73305-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 08:57:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18703 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:57:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GCxLY18428; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:59:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GCxKN11440; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GCqtN09704 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:52:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a255.in-tch.com [66.62.107.55]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7GCce903187 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:38:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5CF70B.D38882B2@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Beautiful Blackwork Sleeves References: <20020816072456.1241.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:58:51 -0600 Status: RO She's in Arizona. A 24-hr trip pretty much straight south of where I am! . Our SCA "kingdom" used to stretch from the Canadian to the Mexican borders....made for some hellacious traveling. The sleeves are wonderful, though, aren't they? --Sue, who wore that champion's collar herself 10 years ago (won with blackwork and costuming, primarily ;-) N Kipar wrote: > > --- Sheila wrote: > Subject: Beautiful Blackwork Sleeves > > > > The Most Lovely Lady with the Most Beautiful > > Sleeves... > > > > http://arts.atenveldt.org/images/2002/maeve.jpg > > Oh wow, this is drop dead gorgeous! > > Nicole - planning to sneak to wherever she is and nick the sleeves *G* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 09:20:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18972 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:20:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GDM2Y19329; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GDM1N17609; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GDEfN15521 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:14:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.193.b9829b4 (24895) for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:14:32 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <193.b9829b4.2a8e54b8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ramie cloth (WAS: linen colors) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:14:32 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 8/16/2002 12:31:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, claning@igc.org writes: << BTW, my textile dictionary surprised me: although ramie of Far Eastern origin, it's actually from a plant in the nettle family. So I seem to have an equivalent of "nettle linen" here. >> The story of ramie is interesting, if rather off-topic. Ramie is one of the family of bast fibers, as is linen (flax) and has been used in the Orient for a long time. You will sometimes see it referred to in the old literature as "China grass." It became popular again as a textile fiber in the early '80s because it was not covered by the quotas that other fiber imports were. Trade agreements specified so many pounds of various fibers that could be imported into the U.S., but ramie wasn't included because, at that time, it was of minimal importance. So enterprising Asian exporters figured out that they could produce ramie, or ramie-blend, garments for export and circumvent the quotas. I'm not sure what the quotas or tariffs are now, after the latest round of trade agreements. Ramie is more difficult to dye than linen, because of the crystalline sturcture of the fibers, so special methods had to be developed to dye it. I'm not sure whether this means that the color will be more difficult to remove. I think I would try Rit Color Remover, which is a reducing agent, and see what happens. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 09:20:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18976 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:20:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GDMEY19351; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GDMEN17680; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7GDGtN16148 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:16:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020816131654.41992.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:16:54 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] 1376 applique Back Prince Canterbury Report Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:16:54 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I just whizzed along the cathedral and had a quick look at both reconstruction and original. First of all it is VERY difficult to try and get a good look of the original, it hangs up quite high on the wall in a case in (of course) the dim twilight. It looks through as if the applique were fixed on with couching threads. The same goes for the reconstruction, appears to be couched down. I hope that helps, and plase bear in mind it is what I managed to make out from a bit away. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 09:20:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18981 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:20:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GDMXY19400; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:22:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GDMXN17811; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:22:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7GDLlN17525 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020816132147.96908.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:21:47 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea party and mud at Kirby To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020816124200.73307.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:21:47 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Debbie Lough wrote: > > First of all, I'm really sorry for not making it to the tea party on > Saturday evening - after the deluge I had a soggy > everything-at-the-front-of-the-stall to sort out, as well as several soggy > Union soldiers, and then our tent on the Conquest site as well (which having > rafters was also used as a drying rack!). (Nicole - if you still want > buttons, e-mail me or post to list to arrange.) Oh dear! At least our shelter and the tents weren't too bad. Yesplease, I'd still like the buttons. > Did anybody else see the loop-the-loops and the victory roll from the > Spitfire (again)? Absolutely! My was that an impressive bit of flying, whoohoo. And thanks for all the fab photos, esp. of the parade. (I > just hope the Romans didn't do the can-can again!) Not to my knowledge *G* > As to mud - I knew it was going to be bad when, on arrival, we were stuck in > a queue behind a bogged-in tank! Ouch... makes you wonder about mud warfare *G* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 10:14:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19608 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:14:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GEG2Y22614; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GEG1N06387; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta04bw.bigpond.com (mta04bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GEEiN05795 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:14:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.69]) by mta04bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta04bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0XWWC00.5H1 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:14:36 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.42 ([203.54.114.42]) by bwmam01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 2/15348315); 17 Aug 2002 00:14:32 Message-ID: <3D5DF851.AAF24383@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ramie cloth (WAS: linen colors) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:16:33 -0700 Status: RO Chris Laning wrote: > At 1:46 PM -0700 8/14/02, Jennifer Sena wrote: > >Since we've been on the linen subject I thought I'd ask about > >removing the color from linen. I got 9.5yds of 54" wide > >55%linen/45%cotton for $1.30yd. The problem is that it's > >construction worker orange!! I know I could overdye, but I'd like > >to lighten it up first so I have more options on what to dye for. > >This is an intense orange. > > I managed to score a bunch of 100% ramie at the local Jo-Ann's today > for . . . 88 cents a yard. Some of it's black, some of it's pale tan, > and 8 yards of it is Lime Green -- definitely NOT my favorite color, > but it's a nice texture, if a bit scratchy at the moment. > > Anybody had experience de-colorizing or dyeing ramie cloth? And what > can one do with it? Can it get used for the same things as linen? > Advantages and disadvantages? It does feel rather linen-like, but > less wrinkly, although that might be due to the sizing; I'll see > after it's washed. > Ramie is quite common here. Almost all of what's sold as hankie linen is ramie/cotton blend. The main disadvantage (imho) is that that scratchiness doesn't really go away. It's not the best stuff to have right next to your skin, especially if you have sensitive skin. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 11:08:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20032 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:08:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GFACY26583; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:10:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GFABN00180; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:10:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GF7dN28708 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA19300 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:07:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Beautiful Blackwork Sleeves In-Reply-To: <20020816072456.1241.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO WOW!! WANT!!! Thanks for that pic--it's drop dead gorgeous. Drea On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > --- Sheila wrote: > Subject: Beautiful Blackwork Sleeves > > > > The Most Lovely Lady with the Most Beautiful > > Sleeves... > > > > http://arts.atenveldt.org/images/2002/maeve.jpg > > Oh wow, this is drop dead gorgeous! > > Nicole - planning to sneak to wherever she is and nick the sleeves *G* > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 12:11:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20258 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:11:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GGD3Y02222; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GGD1N02788; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GG7KN29227 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:07:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip122.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.122] (may be forged)) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7GG7Gx17018 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:07:17 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Beautiful Blackwork Sleeves Message-ID: <3D5CC321.25019.560E960@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3D5CF70B.D38882B2@in-tch.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:17:21 -0700 Status: RO > She's in Arizona. A 24-hr trip pretty much straight south of where I > am! . Our SCA "kingdom" used to stretch from the Canadian to the > Mexican borders....made for some hellacious traveling. The sleeves are > wonderful, though, aren't they? --Sue, who wore that champion's collar > herself 10 years ago (won with blackwork and costuming, primarily ;-) I believe I saw these in February (at Estrella's artisans display) shortly before she got her Laurel. Very nice. Even better in person! Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 13:14:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20563 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:14:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GHG5Y08180; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GHG3N07673; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f250.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.75]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GHBTN05279 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:11:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:11:23 -0700 Received: from 66.136.212.243 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:11:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.136.212.243] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 17:11:23.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2DBA270:01C24547] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:11:23 +0000 Status: RO FWIW, last night I was looking through my book on embroideries and samplers from Islamic Egypt, and discovered not only cotton ground fabric from the 11th century, but COLORED linen ground fabric from the Mamluk period(13th to 14th century)! It was a bright medium blue color. Embroideries and Samplers from Islamic Egypt by Marianne Ellis Mary/Katerine >Thanks Robin, > >Afetr careful thinking, turning and tossing, I've come back to my former >conclusion that No, we can NOT have coloured linen garments, not even >skirts. I >hate to prove myself right when I try franticaly to prove myself wrong... >:-) > >Guess it's back to the old wool prewashing for the rain & mud outfit. > >Nicole > > --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > > > > > Kick me, but I lost the mails with the URL for the archive and > > > accidentally dleted my bookmark! ARGH! Sorry... could someone plase... > > > > http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion > > http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives > > > > --Robin > > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: marquis@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 13:27:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20617 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:27:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GHT9Y09502; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GHT8N14745; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:29:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GHLwN10856 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:21:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA20300 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:21:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Nicole, There are several recipes in 16th century dye books for dying linen and fustian. Usually red and blue. I can forward you some recipes if you'd like. "The Clothing of Thomasine Petre" mentions a red linen petticoat, and the date on that is mid-16th century. What's the date on the outfit you're doing, again? Thanks, Drea (who loves colored linen) > > >Thanks Robin, > > > >Afetr careful thinking, turning and tossing, I've come back to my former > >conclusion that No, we can NOT have coloured linen garments, not even > >skirts. I > >hate to prove myself right when I try franticaly to prove myself wrong... > >:-) > > > >Guess it's back to the old wool prewashing for the rain & mud outfit. > > > >Nicole > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 14:24:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20954 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:24:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GIQ8Y15057; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GIQ6N15449; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:26:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GILdN13235 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:21:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip59.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.59]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7GILax08742 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:21:36 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen Message-ID: <3D5CE2AE.532.5DC2A83@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:31:58 -0700 Status: RO > FWIW, last night I was looking through my book on embroideries and > samplers from Islamic Egypt, and discovered not only cotton ground > fabric from the 11th century, but COLORED linen ground fabric from the > Mamluk period(13th to 14th century)! It was a bright medium blue > color. > > Embroideries and Samplers from Islamic Egypt by Marianne Ellis > Mary/Katerine indigo/woad is about the best known linen dye. It was used in many areas fairly early. It was one of the first non-pigments used for printing as well. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 14:48:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21127 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:48:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GIoUY17190; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GIoSN28356; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:50:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14510.mail.yahoo.com (web14510.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.169]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7GIliN27039 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:47:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020816184742.10160.qmail@web14510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.159.44] by web14510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:47:42 PDT From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Square Pegs To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00b801c24405$e09631e0$6bd0adcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Everytime someone else posts about this show, the theme song runs through my head. I believe it was by the Waitresses or some other group like that...and the best part were the little asides throughout. Like "One size does NOT fit all! Angharad __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 15:08:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21440 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:08:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GJA8Y18930; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:10:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GJA6N09096; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f17.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GJ6CN07000 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:06:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:06:07 -0700 Received: from 205.163.11.113 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:06:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.163.11.113] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 19:06:07.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[F983F040:01C24557] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Beautiful Blackwork Sleeves Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:06:06 +0000 Status: RO That's some serious inspiration!!! Thanks for sharing the pic. :) jessica _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 15:18:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21508 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:18:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GJKBY19949; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:20:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GJK8N14358; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:20:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GJJNN13928 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:19:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.21.22785aa3 (4426) for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:19:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <21.22785aa3.2a8eaa2e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Square Pegs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_21.22785aa3.2a8eaa2e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:19:10 EDT Status: RO --part1_21.22785aa3.2a8eaa2e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/16/2002 2:51:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com writes: > I believe it was by the Waitresses or some other group > like that...and the best part were the little asides > throughout. > > Like "One size does NOT fit all! > > It was The Waitresses. Where are they now? [back to waitressing?] I liked the station break announcements like: Voice over by the ultra popular but Valley Girl dumb blond: "OK , like, I'm gonna go get my angora sweater outta the freezer now, but we'll be right back. OK?" --part1_21.22785aa3.2a8eaa2e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/16/2002 2:51:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com writes:


I believe it was by the Waitresses or some other group
like that...and the best part were the little asides
throughout.

Like "One size does NOT fit all!



It was The Waitresses. Where are they now? [back to waitressing?]

I liked the station break announcements like:

Voice over by the ultra popular but Valley Girl dumb blond:

"OK , like, I'm gonna go get my angora sweater outta the freezer now, but we'll be right back. OK?"
--part1_21.22785aa3.2a8eaa2e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 17:53:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22506 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:53:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GLt5Y04041; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:55:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GLt2N04676; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7GLoLN02297 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:50:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020816215021.91900.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:50:21 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:50:21 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Drea Leed wrote: > Nicole, > > There are several recipes in 16th century dye books for dying linen and > fustian. I came across fusian usually, lots and lots of fustian, but never EXPRESEDLY 100% linen. *sigh* Then again, as I said, I haven't had the time to go through wills yet. (at least not as many as I'd like) Usually red and blue. I can forward you some recipes if you'd > like. red and blue would make sense, after all, the blue on white and reverse (negative) blockprinting with indigo is very well known particularly in germany. There is actually someone making such cloth, with original pattern models! I would love some recipes! I really don't know enough about dyeing at all and I would love to know how a bright red was achieved, not a madder red. "The Clothing of Thomasine Petre" mentions a red linen petticoat, > and the date on that is mid-16th century. That's interesting, because I came across a LOT of references to red petticoates, but did they ever mention the material? noooooooo!!! What's the date on the outfit > you're doing, again? It's anything between 1660 and 1715. Thanks in advance Drea! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 18:03:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22705 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:03:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GM5hY04919; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:05:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GM5gN09975; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7GLtLN04831 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:55:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020816215520.88857.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:55:20 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:55:20 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Mary Temple wrote: > FWIW, last night I was looking through my book on embroideries and samplers > from Islamic Egypt, and discovered not only cotton ground fabric from the > 11th century, but COLORED linen ground fabric from the Mamluk period(13th to > 14th century)! It was a bright medium blue color. > > Embroideries and Samplers from Islamic Egypt by Marianne Ellis > > Mary/Katerine Yes I know, but unfortunately the 13th to 14th centuries in islamic Egypt is NOT the latter half of the 17th and first 15 years of the 18th centuries. *sniffle* We had this time and again... just because 'they had it then' doesn't mean at all they did it later, see the lucet cords. BUT.... I have seen several coloured aprons (albeit not many!) in paintings, not isn't a woolen apron the most unlogical thing to have at all? One would think they are linen AND... tadaaaa, in the paintings they are BLUE. Hmmm..... *brains starts cranking into gear before going to bed* Ohhhh I just remember my grandma's blue dish towels and other towels, it was always like that, always the same rule, the BLUE linen (and cotton) towels are the ones to get dirty, the working stuff. Lots and lots of the waffle texture towels came in blue. It was always blue=workman/woman. I just wonder in my sleepy mind if there is any kind of remote connection between blue being the oldest linen dye and blue aprons in the 17th c. and blue in the early 20th c. Just a wild thought. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 18:06:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22748 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:06:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7GM8dY05157; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:08:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GM8cN11439; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f22.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GM0WN07539 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:00:26 -0700 Received: from 12.232.52.91 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:00:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.232.52.91] From: "Kala Jathos" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 22:00:26.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[53EE6020:01C24570] Subject: [h-cost] Fur cleaning advice? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:00:26 -0700 Status: RO Since we've all been doing fall cleaning, it seems, here's a question that's been bothering me. I've got a white(-ish, now) arctic fox tail which I would like to clean and whiten a little. (The tip tends to get dirty at Faires... Such a bother.) Last time I tried washing a tail though, the leather softened, stiffened when it dried, and ripped in half forcing me to buy another tail. I'd like to avoid that in the future... So does anyone have any tips for cleaning furs like this? Or even instructions on how they dye them, since that must involve getting them wet and then drying them out again... -Laura _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 21:34:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27095 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:34:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7H1aAY15660; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7H1a1N19672; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7H1VEN18475 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:31:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ar-001mosloup154.dialsprint.net ([168.191.109.90] helo=hppav) by smtp6.mindspring.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17fsQn-0004hU-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:31:09 -0400 Message-ID: <009f01c2458e$4d8db3c0$5a6dbfa8@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:34:57 -0500 Status: RO This is a late posting. We were at GENCON 35 last weekend. You're right Teddy, I think its because they're not afraid of using more colour in their wardrobes than we seem to be. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 16 22:04:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27812 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:04:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7H262Y16706; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7H260N27233; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7H23nN26704 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ar-001mosloup154.dialsprint.net ([168.191.109.90] helo=hppav) by smtp6.mindspring.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17fswO-0000DB-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:03:48 -0400 Message-ID: <00af01c24592$dd16dcc0$5a6dbfa8@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] What I bought at the Royal Opera costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:07:38 -0500 Status: RO Ah, Teddy, I know the feeling, got a leather patchwork dress for my daughter at our local repertory(?) theatre's sales almost 2 years ago. If I ever get a website set up I'll post pic's. It's strictly fantasy, from a play about King Arthur. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 10:03:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24881 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:03:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7HE56Y09231; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:05:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7HE51N21667; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7HE4ZN21580 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:04:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m111.in-tch.com [216.166.191.111]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7HDoI907610 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:50:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5E5958.A0A1D614@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset stays References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020816004011.00a9f010@mail.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:10:32 -0600 Status: RO I was just nosing through my Hedgehog Handiworks catalogue last night, looking for the goldworking supplies, and came across several pages of corsetry and millinery supplies. They have spring-steel and flexible bones in various lengths, coutil, etc., etc. They're in the US, though (CA, IIRC). http://www.hedgehoghandworks.com/ --sue Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > One of my personal favorites is: http://www.macdonaldfaber.com/ > > Cheers, > Danielle (who is now only 1100 emails behind...) > > At 09:20 AM 8/6/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Help! > > > >The only place that we know of in our local area (Vancouver, BC, Canada) > >that carries metal corset stays has become very unreliable. Once in a > >while you can go in and get some, but that is happening less and less. > > > >Can the good members of this list recommend a reliable mailorder source? > >Is there somewhere in Canada (so we don't have to deal with duty and customs)? > > > >Thank you > > > >Peggy Stonnell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 16:24:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26708 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:24:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7HKQ3Y25144; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:26:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7HKQ1N22361; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7HKLVN21320 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:21:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA33607 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:21:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020816215520.88857.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Colored Linen Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Nicole, I paged through what I had, and found (16th c.) recipes for dyeing linen yellow, grey, black, blue and various shades of red. Sources were: "A Profitable Book of Receipts for cleaning and dyeing woolen, velvet, linens, etc." (c. 1570s), "the Secrets of Alexis of Piedmont" (c. 1580s), the Plictho (mid 16th c.) and "T Bouck va Wondre" (Dutch early 16th c). They were all exceedingly labor intensive, often using some combination of urine, lime, gall nuts, alum and lye to prepare the fabric. Actually, I just finished transcribing some recipes from the Profitable Booke. Here are some of the linen ones, if you're interested. Enjoy! And vive la colored linen, Drea --------------------------------------------------------- How to dye linnen or thread redde. As when ye will dye any Linnen or thread redde, yee shall take one pound of samfleure, and let it soke halfe a day and a night in water milke warme, then put it into a thicke bagge or sacke, and therein wash and rince it in the river till the bagge be therewith red, then wring the water well forth, and so take out your samfleure, and spread it uppon a faire bord or Table and make (as it were) a little thinne bedde thereof, then strew thereon of white ashes, in making beddes of your Samfleure, and when ye have strewed them with ashes, ye shall take to one pound of Samfleure, a quarter of a pound of ashes, which ashes must be burnt and made of the lyes of white Wine, and it must be wel chaft betwixt your handes, the one against the other, then make thereof a small heape, and so let it rest the space of five houres. Then shal yee rubbe it againe til it ware warme, then have readie a faire bason, and sette it under your stuffe, that it may runne therein, and also wring out the iuyce thereof into the sayd bason. Then cast therein a pinte of wine vinegar that is verie good, then yee may put therein a pounde of yarne, and it shal doe wel. But to dye your Linnen cloth, ye shall put it in before your yarne or fustian. Then lay it therein a day and a night, then take forth your linnen or yarne, and then put therein a gallon of ashes of the Ashe tree, and thereunto your linnen, yarne or fustian, and so let it lye therein halfe an houre, then take it out and wring it as well as you can, then by and by hang it in the sunne, then take that water that ye soked first your Samfleure in, and strayne it (as aforesayd) into the bason unto the other colour, then put therein a glasse full of Vinegar, and then you may put therein your yarne, fustian, or linnen cloth, and doe thereunto as is aforesayd. Another way to dye Linnen in a faire rose To dye a faire redde Rose colour of Linnen, yee shall take to euerie iiii yards and a halfe of Linnen, half a li. of good gall nots, and seeth them in faire water all whole, the space of 2. Houres. Then take it from the fire, & poure that water into another vessell or fatte, then put your linnen into the sayd water, and let it soke therein the space of foure houres, then take it forth and wring the licour well forth. Then take faire water in a kettle, and set it on the fire, and put therein a quarter of a pound of Allom, and when it is readie t seeth, take it from the fire, and put your cloth therein as soone as ye haue wrong and strayned out your gals aforesayde, but lette it drie a night before first, and then turne it well therein the space of a quarter of an houre. So take it forth and wring it well, & then seeth two ounces of Brasill in faire water, the space of two houres, then take that from the fire, and hange another kettle ouer the fire, and put therein gruys water, so warme it a little, and cast therin two li. Of grening wede, then put your linnen cloth therein, and looke that no Allom haue beene in that water. Then let it lye therin halfe an houre, and stirre it wel with a staffe and then take out therof the said linnen, ye may then cast away the same liquor, and wash your kettle cleane, and put therein of the clearest brasill water, and let it wel colour therein. Then take your Linnen and wash it wel in faire water, then take of faire water in a panne, with a little Allom and so seeth them both together: and therein seeth your linnen cloth fiue or sixe Pater noster whiles. Then take out the sayd cloth and wring it well, and after that put the sayd cloth into the kettle of brasill water and therin ye shal turne and winde it wel, the space of a quarter of an houre, then take it orth and wring it a little, and in like wise you shall do with the dying of fustian, but unto your fustian you must have two parts more of Verdigreace and Allom, and that your fustian must lye therin halfe a day and a night, then wring it forth, and let it drie, then after yee may rayse his cotton with cardes meete for that purpose: if ye will haue your Linnen more fairer, cast into the kettle with your said brasill, some lye made of white Lime, then put your cloth therein, then turne and wind it therein the space of foure pater nosters, and then take it forth thereof, and wring it well, and so hange it up to drie. To make a redde carnation. To make a redde carnation die, ye must die your white cloth, linnen or woollen, or silke yarne, to do it well, yee shall gall and allom it well. Ye must take an earbe called Foli in dutch, that shall ye finde by ditches & bankes, take a pound thereof that is drie, this is in tufts, and it is hote like wee-ashes and carnation in sight, therewith men doe make a redde carnation woollen cloth, with the greene or white, or of silke, and if any carnation haue lost his colour, or if any carnation haue lost his die, with that ye shall die it againe, that it shall not loose his colour, and to four elles of cloth, ye shall take a pound gruis, or of that hearbe afore named, which ye shal beate to powder, Then shall yee take lye made of Oke ashes, mixe a part therewith, and another part of cleere pisse cleere and old, of each like much. If ye will haue a light die, take pisse new made, and of the foresayd lye in like much, & therewith ye shall die, with the foresayd poulder put therein, and as it is sod, put in that which yee would die, and seeth it two hours long, and then let it drie. To dye Linnen. Ye shall first take to one stone of flockes fiue pound of sope ashes (which are called in Dutch Wee Asseen) of the best, with sixteene gallons of water, seeth it together an hour long, and then let it cleere one night, then gently poure of the uppermost thereof, and seeth your flockes therein one hour long, and then prooue if your flockes or silke be ynough sod, also take a little of your flockes in you hand, and thrust it hard to a redde cloth, aslo put it in your mouth, and if it goe by and by apart like a ripe apple, then it is ynough sod. Then spoonge it in faire water, and then put it in branne water, according to the quantitie of the woollen cloth, and seeth your Flockes therein, then put it out thereof, and take brasill and put it in water according to the quantitie of the linnen, that is to each elle of cloth foure ounces of Brasill, and as the brasil hath sod a while, then strayne the brasil thorow a cloth, and put it again into your Kettle, and your Flocks also, and let them seeth, then take a Ladle ful of lye and put it therein, thus shal ye make it as hye as you wil, and if ye wil haue it more hier, then put more lye herein, also for three pound of Flockes, take foure ounces of Allom, and seeth them together, and if ye wil seeth dyed Flockes, take lye of Sope ashes, as before it is written wich yee shall seeth with Sope ashes, then scoure it, and let it drie. To dye a faire yealow colour as Gold. Lay first your linnen in Allom water foure houres long, then take one part of chalke, and two partes of wood ashes, then make a lye thereof, and seeth your dye therewith, also the best lye to die with is, to take 2 parts of wood ashes, and one part of chalke, worke and use it as yee shall perceiue best. To dye Fustian gray. Take of hay ashes, and vine ashes by themselues, and make a lye thereof, then put your fustian there in the hay lye, and then in the other lye, to it thus so long till yee see it all coloured ynough, with these and such like yee may dye linnen gray, but ye must put thereto a little more of calles. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 17:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26903 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:29:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7HLV3Y28389; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:31:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7HLV1N07184; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7HLScN06673 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:28:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7HLEL921601 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5EC168.F19E998C@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colored Linen References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:34:32 -0600 Status: RO Oooh....Drea, thanks so much! I have some mostly textile-related friends who are gonna just be thrilled with this....! --sue, not Nicole, but a linen-lover nonetheless.... Drea Leed wrote: > > Nicole, > > I paged through what I had, and found (16th c.) recipes for dyeing linen > yellow, grey, black, blue and various shades of red. Sources were: "A > Profitable Book of Receipts for cleaning and dyeing woolen, velvet, > linens, etc." (c. 1570s), "the Secrets of Alexis of Piedmont" (c. 1580s), > the Plictho (mid 16th c.) and "T Bouck va Wondre" (Dutch early 16th c). > They were all exceedingly labor intensive, often using some combination of > urine, lime, gall nuts, alum and lye to prepare the fabric. > > Actually, I just finished transcribing some recipes from the Profitable > Booke. Here are some of the linen ones, if you're interested. > > Enjoy! And vive la colored linen, > > Drea > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 17:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27006 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:54:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7HLu4Y29329; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7HLu2N12765; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7HLp7N11607 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:51:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7HLao925687 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:36:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5EC6AD.ABC4999F@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Movie for Late-Period Spaniards and Costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:57:01 -0600 Status: RO Oooh, look, everybody! Another yummy-looking costume flick! Someone was kind enough to post this to one of the SCA-related lists I'm on. Some of the costumes look very "Flemish" to me--like the ones you see on women in the tapestries of the period. --Sue, hoping she can get her hands on a copy "Mad Love" -spanish produced film in limited release august 30th. Hopefully one of the "art" theatres in the metro area will be showing it. the premise: In 1504, the Queen of Spain - Juana de Castilla, who ascends to the throne when her mother and older brothers die - finds herself slowly losing her grasp on her sanity as the pressures of her kingdom and the discovery of her husband's prolific infidelity takes its toll on her mental health. Her husband takes advantage of this situation and has his wife declared insane and sent to the Monastery of Las Huelgas, proclaiming himself the new king. Check out the web site, especially the gallery. http://www.sonyclassics.com/madlove/index-withflash.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 18:09:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27065 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:09:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7HMB2Y29941; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7HMB0N16036; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7HM9KN15667 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:09:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1000KVNDJEXF@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:09:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset stays In-reply-to: <3D5E5958.A0A1D614@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020817150549.00d8e660@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020816004011.00a9f010@mail.attbi.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:06:26 -0700 Status: RO >They have spring-steel and flexible >bones in various lengths, coutil, etc., etc. They're in the US, though >(CA, IIRC). >http://www.hedgehoghandworks.com/ Lacis and Alter Years also have these, and can mail-order. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 18:29:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27128 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:29:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7HMV5Y00914; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7HMV1N20240; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7HMRrN19616 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:27:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020817222748.CNLP13899.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:27:48 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01c2463d$5028dd80$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <3D5EC6AD.ABC4999F@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie for Late-Period Spaniards and Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:27:46 -0700 Status: RO ooooo, how exciting! Juana la Loca is one of my favorite figures from Spanish history! - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 19:58:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27679 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:58:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I004Y04204; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I002N09044; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web11706.mail.yahoo.com (web11706.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.72]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7HNx9N08854 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020817235908.68847.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.57.244.86] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:59:08 PDT From: carol To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D5EC6AD.ABC4999F@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1134651430-1029628748=:67999" Subject: [h-cost] Once again, I am in need of assistance Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --0-1134651430-1029628748=:67999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know where I can find good pictures of late 15th century Italian Rennaissance clothing online ? I am in need of inspiration ... Help ! Thanks Carol ....you cease to mourn the morning when you celebrate the night ..... "The night summons like an unquenched love, beckoning with the promise of dark desires." "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in to it" ... Oscar Wilde --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-1134651430-1029628748=:67999 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

 

 Does anyone know where I can find good pictures of late 15th century Italian Rennaissance clothing online ?  I am in need of inspiration ... Help !

Thanks

Carol



....you cease to mourn the morning when you celebrate the night .....

"The night summons like an unquenched love, beckoning with the promise of dark desires."

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HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-1134651430-1029628748=:67999-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 20:38:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27804 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:38:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I0e2Y05419; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I0e1N17807; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I0daN17725 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:39:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1000256KHZU7@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:39:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020817172721.00c677c0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Algerian suit - soutache in large quantities? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:39:31 -0700 Status: RO I just got my Folkwear Algerian suit pattern in the mail today. Woo hoo!, and thanx Sue Clemenger. The bad news is the jacket takes 135 yards of soutache, the vest 40 yards, and the trousers 50 yards, for the Authentic Detailing version. There must be a source for cones or spools of soutache, because I have seen them, mostly used up, at flea markets and thrift stores. Where does someone get soutache in bulk, without a resale number? Suddenly I need 225 yards of it. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 21:18:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27981 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:18:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I1K9Y06739; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I1K1N26098; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I1JlN26061 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:19:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DE6208E3 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D94C208E0 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <022701c24655$3ed36100$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020817172721.00c677c0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Algerian suit - soutache in large quantities? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:19:05 -0400 Status: RO Did you try cheeptrims.com? Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 8:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] Algerian suit - soutache in large quantities? > I just got my Folkwear Algerian suit pattern in the mail today. Woo hoo!, > and thanx Sue Clemenger. > > The bad news is the jacket takes 135 yards of soutache, the vest 40 yards, > and the trousers 50 yards, for the Authentic Detailing version. There must > be a source for cones or spools of soutache, because I have seen them, > mostly used up, at flea markets and thrift stores. Where does someone get > soutache in bulk, without a resale number? Suddenly I need 225 yards of it. > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 23:03:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28286 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:03:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I354Y10646; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I351N19000; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf02bis.bellsouth.net (mail102.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I30xN18190 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.76.153.144]) by imf02bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020818030229.LRVQ15103.imf02bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:02:29 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c24663$18ddf060$90994cd8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: <20020817235908.68847.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Once again, I am in need of assistance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:58:12 -0400 Status: RO Ah... My area.... http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/ Apollonia ----- Original Message ----- From: carol To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:59 PM Subject: [h-cost] Once again, I am in need of assistance Does anyone know where I can find good pictures of late 15th century Italian Rennaissance clothing online ? I am in need of inspiration ... Help ! Thanks Carol ....you cease to mourn the morning when you celebrate the night ..... "The night summons like an unquenched love, beckoning with the promise of dark desires." "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in to it" ... Oscar Wilde Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 23:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28441 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:48:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I3o3Y12354; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I3o0N28017; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.177]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7EDmUp28269 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:48:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-2494.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.57.190] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17eyVg-0006RU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:48:29 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c2439b$a67b8560$be3986d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <47BC2B718FB@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:05:29 +0100 Status: RO Teddy, "Sausage-side"....from Blackadder Goes Forth..I think it's something Lord Flash says..sorry too hot to go and get my BA book! Anyway, Sausage Side generally means, where the action is, ie where the re-enacting is actually taking place! We're absolute BA nuts in this house, there's generally a quotation that fits every situation in life..ie with my 8 yr DD, the Evil Prince Ludwig "werbal diaorrhea" speech often comes in handy, as does the " what do *you* think, thinking is sooo important, Baldrick" speech when we can't make a decision! Anyway, sorry I had you on tenterhooks..there'll be some photos of myself, baby and DD after mid September on the GAS Co site..so you'll be able to pick me out at ten paces next time. ;-) Anyway, how many of us are going to the Traders' Fair in Nov..we could always meet up there? Nicole, I too hope the next event will be a goody. H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: 14 August 2002 13:03 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party > Hi Helen, > > > > Sorry I couldn't make it on Saturday > > I'm sorry you couldn't make it too. You have no idea how may > women with children of about the right age wondered about as they > passed by - just in case it might be you... > > > How was it, "sausage side"? I didn't even make it off the > > plastic site :-( > > Sausage side?????? > > > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 23:48:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28447 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:48:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I3oKY12378; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I3oJN28099; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:50:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7F8ubp26671 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-3290.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.76.218] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17fGQk-0001TE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:56:35 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c2443c$07d19f20$da4c86d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <20020815081345.43048.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen (was: My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:13:32 +0100 Status: RO Hello all, Here's a few mentions of linen, which I hope will help - time's short this morning, but I'll have a better look when I come back.. This is from Joseph Clarke's will/inventory of 1692 Goods in the Shop 2 peticoats of broad stripe, 8s 27 yards of fustian, cullerd at 9d Linnen 17 ells of wtt and browne harford at 9d Widow Poole, 10th Feb 1672 1 blacke scarfe, one green aperen, 5s Both of these come from "Farm and Cottage Inventories of Mid Essex - 1635 - 1749" by Francis Steer. Although the last one doesn't mention the material, I would doubt whether the apron was made from silk or wool. Another reference is from Margaret Spufford's "The Great Reclothing of Rural England" John Woods Inventory of 1704 ( a bit later, I know) Seaventeen yards of coulered linnen (plus other stuff, too) 4l 13s 4d Margaret Spufford does mention a warning that where linen is called "blew" or "blue", it dfoesn't mean that the linen was necessarily that colour, rather that it referred to a certain quality of linen, ie cheap. I'll go through my other inventories when I get back home. As far as dyeing is concerned, a friend of mine, David Hopkins, is considered quite an authority of textile dyeing. I bet he'll know..he's written a book in the Stuart Press/Partizan Press? series on this. Otherwise, you can put up a query on the Sealed Knot Discussion Board site - I'm sure he'll "take the bait"! ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: 15 August 2002 09:13 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen (was: My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit) > --- Glenda Robinson wrote: > I've had a check for > petticote mentioned in "Textiles and Meterials of the > > Common Man and Woman 1580-1660" ed. Peachey which has done a stock-take of > > all mentions of clothing related materials in the period. > > While I think Peachey did a good job I seriously doubt he did a stick-take of > ALL mentions. Apart from taht he unfortunately ends in 1660 while I have to > start in 1660. If only I had time to nip to the British Library, have to do it > over the witer, coz I can get a Reader's pass now (coveted as gold) from Uni. > > > Only 3% (eek!) of petticotes mentioned in this period have any materials > > associated with them. > > Oh I know, isn't that a shame?! > > Most are wool, of all sorts of finishes - self-grown > > wool, rug ( hairy on one side for winter), flannel, Norwich stuff (in > > green), baize, worsted, russet (natural dark sheep colour - actual colour > > varied - heaps of these!), stammel (which has vague associations with red as > > well) and broadcloth. > > It's interesting that so many petticoats are red, and indeed one can see many > in paintings from the 1650s onwards (and of course earlier!) I keep wondering > if they all were wool. > > > One mention of a petticote in hus linen (coarser linen). No other mentions > > of linen as petticote material at all. This may mean that this was one of > > the default materials for petticotes, but then again, it may not. > > Bingo, and I am always very dubious when here are no mentionings, I doubt this > is because 'everyone knew they were made out of linen'. Dyeing linen is > difficult, but I havent looked into dyeing in the 17th c. enough to know what > mordants were used and if te colours remained stabile. My boyfriend's mum, a > versatile dyer of many years, passed away at Easter this year, so this font of > knowledge has dried up too. *sigh* > > There are > > mentions of linen specifically as a material for aprons and shifts, smocks, > > and shirts, but none of petticotes! > > That strikes me rather as 'they mention linen for other bits but not > petticoats, therefore I rather suspect that the petticoats were NOT made of > linen'. > To be honest, I MIGHT make one out of coloured heavy linen just for the MOST > atrocious weather days. It's one thing to be atad inauthentic but stil lok > alright in kit and throw the mud splattered skirt into the washing machine and > another to detsroy your handsewn clothes. > > > We can't think of any other books in our library that would be of more help > > than this one. > > I have to go through mine, but I fear I have the same problem until I can get > to London or Oxford or Cambridge. > > > So we're none the wiser on this one :-( > > Thanks for looking!!! > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 23:48:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28451 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:48:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I3oRY12394; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I3oQN28133; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7G2J9N15025 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from opalsun (pm3d-144.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.192.144]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.11.4/DCN-8.11.4.1) with SMTP id g7G2J6n04957 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Margo Glenn-Lewis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers Message-ID: <001201c244ca$f7daf640$2f29fea9@pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D5BA4B1.B4627925@in-tch.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:16:44 -0700 Status: RO Don't let anybody tell you otherwise - determined women have almost always been able to go to war. The most recent one I am aware of (in disguise) was Frauline Eberhardt. (think I've remembered the name correctly) Rose to the rank of Sgt. Major in the French Foreign Legion, and her gender was not discovered until she was killed in battle. Margo Glenn-Lewis "Don't forget your bucket." Ice Machine in the Desert - Brave Combo > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Sue Clemenger > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:55 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands > > > Dunno....but I know there were records of women veterans from > both sides > of the _American_ civil war, at least..... > --sue, who read it in a book > > jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > > > > Teddy wrote : > > > > > > From: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk> > > > > > > > > The only H-cost person I found was Teddy: and Teddy is > not new to > > > > me (still nice, though!) > > > > > > If i had seen you when you first arrived instead of just > before you > > > left, I could have given you directions.... What a shame. > > > > We visited the Paladins first thing, but you weren't > around. Ah well, life is like that. And we *did* find more to > do than we had time for, in any case. > > > Probably. I *could* dress up in uniform and do the fighting > bit, they allow cross-dressing (did they have female soldiers > for real?). But it doesn't really appeal. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 23:48:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28455 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:48:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I3oYY12419; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:50:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I3oVN28162; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:50:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.179]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GFaCN13717 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-2009.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.39.217] helo=oemcomputer) by imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17fj8z-0002ZB-00; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:36:09 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c2453d$09691b40$d92786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: "Helen Partner" , Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen (was: My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:52:41 +0100 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Partner" To: Sent: 15 August 2002 10:13 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen (was: My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit) > Hello all, > > Here's a few mentions of linen, which I hope will help - time's short this > morning, but I'll have a better look when I come back.. > > This is from Joseph Clarke's will/inventory of 1692 > > Goods in the Shop > 2 peticoats of broad stripe, 8s > 27 yards of fustian, cullerd at 9d > Linnen > 17 ells of wtt and browne harford at 9d > > Widow Poole, 10th Feb 1672 > > 1 blacke scarfe, one green aperen, 5s > > Both of these come from "Farm and Cottage Inventories of Mid Essex - 1635 - > 1749" by Francis Steer. Although the last one doesn't mention the material, > I would doubt whether the apron was made from silk or wool. > > Another reference is from Margaret Spufford's "The Great Reclothing of Rural > England" > > John Woods Inventory of 1704 ( a bit later, I know) > > Seaventeen yards of coulered linnen (plus other stuff, too) 4l 13s 4d > > Margaret Spufford does mention a warning that where linen is called "blew" > or "blue", it dfoesn't mean that the linen was necessarily that colour, > rather that it referred to a certain quality of linen, ie cheap. > > I'll go through my other inventories when I get back home. > As far as dyeing is concerned, a friend of mine, David Hopkins, is > considered quite an authority of textile dyeing. I bet he'll know..he's > written a book in the Stuart Press/Partizan Press? series on this. > Otherwise, you can put up a query on the Sealed Knot Discussion Board site - > I'm sure he'll "take the bait"! ;-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N Kipar" > To: > Sent: 15 August 2002 09:13 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen (was: My cunning plan for a Eliz. outfit) > > > > --- Glenda Robinson wrote: > I've had a check > for > > petticote mentioned in "Textiles and Meterials of the > > > Common Man and Woman 1580-1660" ed. Peachey which has done a stock-take > of > > > all mentions of clothing related materials in the period. > > > > While I think Peachey did a good job I seriously doubt he did a stick-take > of > > ALL mentions. Apart from taht he unfortunately ends in 1660 while I have > to > > start in 1660. If only I had time to nip to the British Library, have to > do it > > over the witer, coz I can get a Reader's pass now (coveted as gold) from > Uni. > > > > > Only 3% (eek!) of petticotes mentioned in this period have any materials > > > associated with them. > > > > Oh I know, isn't that a shame?! > > > > Most are wool, of all sorts of finishes - self-grown > > > wool, rug ( hairy on one side for winter), flannel, Norwich stuff (in > > > green), baize, worsted, russet (natural dark sheep colour - actual > colour > > > varied - heaps of these!), stammel (which has vague associations with > red as > > > well) and broadcloth. > > > > It's interesting that so many petticoats are red, and indeed one can see > many > > in paintings from the 1650s onwards (and of course earlier!) I keep > wondering > > if they all were wool. > > > > > One mention of a petticote in hus linen (coarser linen). No other > mentions > > > of linen as petticote material at all. This may mean that this was one > of > > > the default materials for petticotes, but then again, it may not. > > > > Bingo, and I am always very dubious when here are no mentionings, I doubt > this > > is because 'everyone knew they were made out of linen'. Dyeing linen is > > difficult, but I havent looked into dyeing in the 17th c. enough to know > what > > mordants were used and if te colours remained stabile. My boyfriend's mum, > a > > versatile dyer of many years, passed away at Easter this year, so this > font of > > knowledge has dried up too. *sigh* > > > > There are > > > mentions of linen specifically as a material for aprons and shifts, > smocks, > > > and shirts, but none of petticotes! > > > > That strikes me rather as 'they mention linen for other bits but not > > petticoats, therefore I rather suspect that the petticoats were NOT made > of > > linen'. > > To be honest, I MIGHT make one out of coloured heavy linen just for the > MOST > > atrocious weather days. It's one thing to be atad inauthentic but stil > lok > > alright in kit and throw the mud splattered skirt into the washing machine > and > > another to detsroy your handsewn clothes. > > > > > We can't think of any other books in our library that would be of more > help > > > than this one. > > > > I have to go through mine, but I fear I have the same problem until I can > get > > to London or Oxford or Cambridge. > > > > > So we're none the wiser on this one :-( > > > > Thanks for looking!!! > > > > Nicole > > > > ===== > > Nicole Kipar M.A. > > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 17 23:48:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28460 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:48:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I3oiY12442; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:50:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I3ohN28221; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:50:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.179]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7GFbTN14366 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-2009.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.39.217] helo=oemcomputer) by imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17fjAF-0002oI-00; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:37:27 +0100 Message-ID: <002601c2453d$37ff6040$d92786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: "Helen Partner" , Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:54:33 +0100 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Partner" To: Sent: 14 August 2002 15:05 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party > Teddy, > "Sausage-side"....from Blackadder Goes Forth..I think it's something Lord > Flash says..sorry too hot to go and get my BA book! Anyway, Sausage Side > generally means, where the action is, ie where the re-enacting is actually > taking place! We're absolute BA nuts in this house, there's generally a > quotation that fits every situation in life..ie with my 8 yr DD, the Evil > Prince Ludwig "werbal diaorrhea" speech often comes in handy, as does the " > what do *you* think, thinking is sooo important, Baldrick" speech when we > can't make a decision! > > Anyway, sorry I had you on tenterhooks..there'll be some photos of myself, > baby and DD after mid September on the GAS Co site..so you'll be able to > pick me out at ten paces next time. ;-) > > Anyway, how many of us are going to the Traders' Fair in Nov..we could > always meet up there? > > Nicole, I too hope the next event will be a goody. > > H > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teddy" > To: > Sent: 14 August 2002 13:03 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party > > > > Hi Helen, > > > > > > > Sorry I couldn't make it on Saturday > > > > I'm sorry you couldn't make it too. You have no idea how may > > women with children of about the right age wondered about as they > > passed by - just in case it might be you... > > > > > How was it, "sausage side"? I didn't even make it off the > > > plastic site :-( > > > > Sausage side?????? > > > > > > > > Teddy > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 00:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28622 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:59:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I513Y15189; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I510N13142; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I4vUN12529 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:57:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p210.directcon.net [209.233.107.210]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g7I4uuXu006012; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:56:57 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020817220208.013b6ec0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: RE: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers In-Reply-To: <001201c244ca$f7daf640$2f29fea9@pacbell.net> References: <3D5BA4B1.B4627925@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:02:08 -0700 Status: RO At 07:16 PM 08/15/2002 -0700, Margo Glenn-Lewis wrote: >Don't let anybody tell you otherwise - determined women have almost always >been able to go to war. The most recent one I am aware of (in disguise) was >Frauline Eberhardt. (think I've remembered the name correctly) Rose to the >rank of Sgt. Major in the French Foreign Legion, and her gender was not >discovered until she was killed in battle. Cool! When was this? The French Foreign Legion has been around for a while. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 01:19:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28688 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:19:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I5LFY15842; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:21:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I5L6N17556; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I5KDN17303 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:20:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p63-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.206.63] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17gITy-0007cw-00; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:20:10 +1200 Message-ID: <002601c24676$eae49790$3fceadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <001201c244ca$f7daf640$2f29fea9@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:20:06 +1200 Status: RO > Don't let anybody tell you otherwise - determined women have almost always > been able to go to war. The most recent one I am aware of (in disguise) was > Frauline Eberhardt. (think I've remembered the name correctly) Rose to the > rank of Sgt. Major in the French Foreign Legion, and her gender was not > discovered until she was killed in battle. And there are a numberof examples like that in Uppity Women of the Renaissance. And there was no single reason for the women to do so either, some wanted to jointheir husbands, some seem to have been transgender in that it was the male life.. I'm sure they could be studied more in depth than in the book too:) michaela > > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > > Behalf Of Sue Clemenger > > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:55 AM > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party: husbands > > > > > > Dunno....but I know there were records of women veterans from > > both sides > > of the _American_ civil war, at least..... > > --sue, who read it in a book > > > > jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > > > > > > Teddy wrote : > > > > > > > > From: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk> > > > > > > > > > > The only H-cost person I found was Teddy: and Teddy is > > not new to > > > > > me (still nice, though!) > > > > > > > > If i had seen you when you first arrived instead of just > > before you > > > > left, I could have given you directions.... What a shame. > > > > > > We visited the Paladins first thing, but you weren't > > around. Ah well, life is like that. And we *did* find more to > > do than we had time for, in any case. > > > > > Probably. I *could* dress up in uniform and do the fighting > > bit, they allow cross-dressing (did they have female soldiers > > for real?). But it doesn't really appeal. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 01:49:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28799 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:49:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I5p3Y16746; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I5p1N23309; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I5kdN22561 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ar-008neomahp137.dialsprint.net ([63.178.246.201] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17gItY-0004zI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:46:36 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020818004047.023591c0@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <20020817180008.16814.13407.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: cleaning fur Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:44:48 -0500 Status: RO Haven't done any fur-cleaning myself, but I would think that you could go to a pet supply store and get some of the "dry shampoo" for use when you can't give your pet a bath. It's usually a powder or light aerosol, you spray or sprinkle on then brush out. Logic for this being it's designed for use on the same material - fur and skin. Hope this helps.... Sandy >From: "Kala Jathos" >Subject: [h-cost] Fur cleaning advice? > >I've got a white(-ish, now) arctic fox tail which I would like to clean and >whiten a little. (The tip tends to get dirty at Faires... Such a bother.) >Last time I tried washing a tail though, the leather softened, stiffened >when it dried, and ripped in half forcing me to buy another tail. I'd like >to avoid that in the future... So does anyone have any tips for cleaning >furs like this? Or even instructions on how they dye them, since that must >involve getting them wet and then drying them out again... > >-Laura "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 04:19:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29549 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 04:19:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I8L4Y21561; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I8L1N22451; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7I8KxN22439 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020818082059.41754.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:20:59 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001201c244ca$f7daf640$2f29fea9@pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:20:59 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Margo Glenn-Lewis wrote: > Don't let anybody tell you otherwise - determined women have almost always > been able to go to war. The most recent one I am aware of (in disguise) was > Frauline Eberhardt. (think I've remembered the name correctly) Rose to the > rank of Sgt. Major in the French Foreign Legion, and her gender was not > discovered until she was killed in battle. > > Margo Glenn-Lewis Yeah, right, my old pet hate. So... how many women dressed up and successfully concealed their gender in history and HOW many women crossdress in modern re-enactment??? Look at the English Cicil War Society battlefield or the Sea;ed Knot and you can spot dozens of girlies in bouncy boobs and big bums straight away. No, there were not hundreds of women crossdressing in history on the battlefield, yes there are nowadays hundreds of women crossdressing on re-enactment battlefields, my point is that the women in history were rare and didn't come in the dozens let alone hundreds, and that the percentage nowadays doesn't reflect that. Drives me mad when the 15th woman tells me in one regiment 'oh yes but there were crossdressing women in history'' yes there were, but geeez, not as many as nowadays in re-enactment. That's my pet hate, otherwise, everyone can do what makes 'em happy. Nicole - who used to crossdress and then stopped just because it doesn't work in modern times. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 04:44:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29920 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 04:44:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I8k3Y22079; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I8k1N26859; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I8iVN26512 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:44:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H11008W06Y65A@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:44:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers In-reply-to: <20020818082059.41754.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020818014011.04bf71c0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <001201c244ca$f7daf640$2f29fea9@pacbell.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:44:21 -0700 Status: RO >Nicole - who used to crossdress and then stopped just because it doesn't work >in modern times. I am not a male shape, but I have been mistaken for a man on more than one occasion while cross-dressing. It does work if one takes the time to make it work. I don't do it often because it is so much work, and I can't do it in some periods where the clothing is too snug to allow me to hide my anatomy. But sometimes I get un-period-ly bored with needlework all the time (nobody ever asks me to cook more than once). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 04:54:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29940 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 04:54:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I8u2Y22347; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I8u1N28814; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I8rIN28243 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:53:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-123-122.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.123.122]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW36736; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:53:06 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <03cd01c24695$0eb04660$a26f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20020818082059.41754.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:55:51 +0100 Status: RO >No, there were not hundreds of women crossdressing in history on the battlefield, yes there are nowadays hundreds of women crossdressing on re-enactment battlefields, my point is that the women in history were rare and didn't come in the dozens let alone hundreds, and that the percentage nowadays doesn't reflect that. Hear Hear !! I fight, I'm a woman. But letting women fight now in re-enactment because it is PC to do so, unless you want to ban every man who falls physically short of even the weediest medieval soldier (Ah that would be most of you I think ;)) , should NOT be confused with the reality of women (AS THE NORM) not fighting in most cultures through most of history. Most noblewomen were, I believe, trained in the art of warfare and could direct battles/seiges (more likely) etc Most common women could probably deliver a good blow with a weapon and could defend themselves. If you look at many skeletal remains you can see they were well muscled and obviously strong. But not of this supports the case they DID. And why on earth would anyone what to go & get killed giving the option of not ? I thought that was the perogative of T loaded chaps, for death & glory. Look after my kids keep alive is more a womans genetic wiring (and very sensible too IMHO) Sorry it is a pet hate of mine too, changing the facts to suit what you want to do. By all means do it, but be honest as to why you do. >Nicole - who used to crossdress and then stopped just because it doesn't work in modern times. Don't understand this ? Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 04:59:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29947 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 04:59:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I914Y22514; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I912N29798; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I8vFN29080 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-123-122.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.123.122]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW36922; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:57:04 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <03de01c24695$9c2f1d40$a26f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <001201c244ca$f7daf640$2f29fea9@pacbell.net> <4.3.1.2.20020818014011.04bf71c0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:59:12 +0100 Status: RO >I am not a male shape, but I have been mistaken for a man on more than one occasion while cross-dressing. What about your face ? Most women don't look male, I don't (I hope )& I've not seen many unfortunates to look male naturally, do you use make up ? False beards etc ? Intreiged >But sometimes I get un-period-ly bored with needlework all the time Well that 'might' be period ;) But fighting is OK, great, but not saying it was done by women regularly IMHO Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 05:19:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29997 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:19:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I9L3Y22919; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I9L1N29499; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7I9G3N17353 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020818091602.57444.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:16:02 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <03de01c24695$9c2f1d40$a26f4ed5@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:16:02 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Melanie Wilson wrote: > >I am not a male shape, but I have been mistaken for a man on more than one > occasion while cross-dressing. > > What about your face ? Most women don't look male, I don't (I hope )& I've > not seen many unfortunates to look male naturally, do you use make up ? > False beards etc ? Intreiged What about your VOICE is what I say. Squealing 'soldiers' on a battlefield is rather unwillingly comical. > >But sometimes I get un-period-ly bored with needlework all the > time > > Well that 'might' be period ;) But fighting is OK, great, but not saying it > was done by women regularly IMHO Bingo! *nodnod* Do what you like but A) the percentages are not period at all, see my last mail and B) you have to accept that there are a lot of people out there who laugh for various bouncy or squealy reasons. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 05:19:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30002 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:19:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I9LQY22939; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:21:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I9LON00482; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:21:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I9HLN18141 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:17:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H11000YI8GV0Z@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:17:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Algerian suit - soutache in large quantities? In-reply-to: <022701c24655$3ed36100$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020818020626.00d8e100@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020817172721.00c677c0@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:16:34 -0700 Status: RO >Did you try cheeptrims.com? Thanx. Never heard of them before. But they carry spools of soutache, in maybe 25 different colours, @ $18.72/288-yard spool. Now all I have to do is decide on a colour (yeah, right, and shove twenty other projects out of the way...) > > The bad news is the jacket takes 135 yards of soutache, the vest 40 yards, > > and the trousers 50 yards, for the Authentic Detailing version. There >must > > be a source for cones or spools of soutache, because I have seen them, > > mostly used up, at flea markets and thrift stores. Where does someone get > > soutache in bulk, without a resale number? Suddenly I need 225 yards of >it. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 05:19:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30006 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:19:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I9LhY22959; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:21:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I9LgN01075; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:21:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7I9KmN29190 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:20:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020818092047.15941.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:20:47 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <03cd01c24695$0eb04660$a26f4ed5@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:20:47 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Melanie Wilson wrote: > Hear Hear !! I fight, I'm a woman. But letting women fight now in > re-enactment because it is PC to do so, unless you want to ban every man who > falls physically short of even the weediest medieval soldier (Ah that would > be most of you I think ;)) , should NOT be confused with the reality of > women (AS THE NORM) not fighting in most cultures through most of history. *wild applause* > anyone what to go & get killed giving the option of not ? I thought that was > the perogative of T loaded chaps, for death & glory. Look after my kids keep > alive is more a womans genetic wiring (and very sensible too IMHO) How true! > >Nicole - who used to crossdress and then stopped just because it doesn't > work > in modern times. > > Don't understand this ? Oh, sorry. What I meant was that inhistory dress denoted gender, this is why throughout history there were actually hasrh punbishments for women, when found out, who wore male clothing. There are several accounts of this, but don't pinpoint me on a date, I am dyscalcic and useless in numbers, have to look it up. Anyway, person in trousers = man. person in skirts = woman. unless of course some ethnic clothing but that left Europeans completely bewildred anyway. Nowadays: person in trousers = can be anything for what it's worth. person in skirts = usually a woman, cut could be ethnic clothing and could be a man in skirts (certainly in London). I dressed like a man and even in wigs and everthing, my way of walking, despite the fact I tried to disguise it, my shapely legs (when wearing breeches) and of course my voice gave me away straight away. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 05:24:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30020 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:24:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7I9QeY23106; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:26:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7I9QdN02904; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7I9MdN02101 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:22:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020818092239.87187.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:22:39 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020818014011.04bf71c0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:22:39 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >Nicole - who used to crossdress and then stopped just because it doesn't > work > >in modern times. > > I am not a male shape, but I have been mistaken for a man on more than one > occasion while cross-dressing. It does work if one takes the time to make > it work. I don't do it often because it is so much work, and I can't do it > in some periods where the clothing is too snug to allow me to hide my > anatomy. But sometimes I get un-period-ly bored with needlework all the > time (nobody ever asks me to cook more than once). I don't believe that it works in close-up, sorry no. Voice, face, eyes, mouth shape, hands, movements, gestures, everything points to the gender ALTHOUGH I met in my life time TWO women (and I met a hellofa lot of women) where I really couldn't tell... until they SHOUTED and voila, the voice snapped to the higher regions and it was clear. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 07:15:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30235 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:15:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IBH3Y25932; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IBH1N22059; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IBF3N21693 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:15:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D94D20941 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A26C2093F for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03a401c246a8$67081c30$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020817172721.00c677c0@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020818020626.00d8e100@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Algerian suit - soutache in large quantities? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:14:21 -0400 Status: RO Glad I could help. I'm married to a DJ, I have learned to do everything on the cheap! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Algerian suit - soutache in large quantities? > > >Did you try cheeptrims.com? > > Thanx. Never heard of them before. But they carry spools of soutache, in > maybe 25 different colours, @ $18.72/288-yard spool. Now all I have to do > is decide on a colour (yeah, right, and shove twenty other projects out of > the way...) > > > > The bad news is the jacket takes 135 yards of soutache, the vest 40 yards, > > > and the trousers 50 yards, for the Authentic Detailing version. There > >must > > > be a source for cones or spools of soutache, because I have seen them, > > > mostly used up, at flea markets and thrift stores. Where does someone get > > > soutache in bulk, without a resale number? Suddenly I need 225 yards of > >it. > > > > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 07:20:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30255 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:20:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IBM3Y26038; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IBM2N22966; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IBIfN22352 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:18:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H110088UE327C@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 04:18:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers In-reply-to: <03de01c24695$9c2f1d40$a26f4ed5@pavilion> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020818032331.00cb3130@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <001201c244ca$f7daf640$2f29fea9@pacbell.net> <4.3.1.2.20020818014011.04bf71c0@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 04:16:35 -0700 Status: RO > >I am not a male shape, but I have been mistaken for a man on more than one >occasion while cross-dressing. > >What about your face ? Most women don't look male, I don't (I hope )& I've >not seen many unfortunates to look male naturally, do you use make up ? >False beards etc ? Intreiged Unfortunates? That came across as kind of rude. I hope it wasn't intended as a flame. What you can't tell, in an e-mail, is that I don't have the basic pretty female face. I don't have an especially high voice either (I sing contralto and tenor), and both of these help me appear to be a guy when I cross-dress. I bought a really good glue-on moustache, the same colour as my brother's, because my own moustache is unbelievably thin for a guy. My own moustache is kind of sparse, but I, like my mother, need to either trim it occasionally or shave it. Walking, standing, and otherwise acting like a guy helps the general image. Staying in character helps too (I don't get to flirt, or use any one-sex bathroom, and if I even smile too much my moustache starts coming unglued). Being 5'6" tall doesn't help, but I don't have small bones, so it's almost OK. The best single thing I did, for the cross-dressing, was to pick a costume which mostly disguises such feminine curves as I have. I do a Landsknecht from about 1560, like the ones in Jost Amman's Book of Trades. My hips are mostly disguised under the pluderhosen puffing, and my softer anatomy gets flattened out so it doesn't bulge or bounce, under a doublet, jerkin, and jacket, with shaped padding to smooth out the general line. The period shoulders of the jerkin (plus shoulder pads in the doublet) broaden my shoulders to a believable width. And I designed slashed shoes which make my feet look longer. I end up looking like a paunchy Bavarian (pictures available by request - e-mail me offlist). I even fooled a gay man once, at a distance of about 5' - it took him a couple of minutes to parse it out. > >But sometimes I get un-period-ly bored with needlework all the >time > >Well that 'might' be period ;) But fighting is OK, great, but not saying it >was done by women regularly IMHO Um, I didn't say cross-dressing was done regularly in any period. It isn't even done regularly today in San Francisco in the gay neighborhoods. I just said sometimes this 21st century woman gets bored with the traditional women's work of 100 years ago and, without risking life or limb, does cross-dress and 'go to war' on occasion. I have to be really bored, because cross-dressing with the intent to really look like the other sex takes a lot of effort. But while nothing is perfect, at least I get some variety, here in the modern day where cross-dressing is allowed. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 07:25:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30264 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:25:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IBRBY26159; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IBR9N23939; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:27:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10308.mail.yahoo.com (web10308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7IBQTN23786 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:26:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020818112628.90015.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.1.45.14] by web10308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:26:28 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020818092124.29496.52837.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:26:28 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Speaking as someone who is part of an English Civil War regiment which has exactly 4 women who don't cross dress, I always feel a bit left out, and as though I don't matter, as though I'm somehow not worth as much because I don't go on the battlefield. I used to cross dress in ECW re-enactment, but I gave it up years ago, partly because I always felt wrong - it's almost like stating that the lives of the women that went before us were so dull that they aren't worth remembering or re-creating, (and partly because I got bored with being shouted at to go and march around a field first thing, (never was a morning person!)). And I'd agree that although there are many accounts, from all ages, of women dressing as men to go and fight, (and even some of women who still pretended to be men in civilian post-army life), the accounts don't come close to the number of women now cross dressing. I'd say to each their own, but admit that women usually cross dress today for modern reasons, and not because of the evidence. Debbie, (who had better mend her male Norman kit in time to water carry at Hastings this year!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 07:50:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30320 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:50:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IBq4Y27020; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IBq2N28295; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7IBmQN27630 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020818114825.80948.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:48:25 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020818032331.00cb3130@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:48:25 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > >I am not a male shape, but I have been mistaken for a man on more than one > >occasion while cross-dressing. > > > >What about your face ? Most women don't look male, I don't (I hope )& I've > >not seen many unfortunates to look male naturally, do you use make up ? > >False beards etc ? Intreiged > > Unfortunates? That came across as kind of rude. I hope it wasn't intended > as a flame. Oh come on, I really don't think it was meant as a flame, this list does tend to suffer from oversensitivity occasionally and I am no exception, but I personally would say that I would LOVE to have a male shape, I just adore slender hips and no boobs, but alas, I look hourglass-shaped. *sniff* To each their own preferences. > The best single thing I did, for the cross-dressing, was to pick a costume > which mostly disguises such feminine curves as I have. I do a Landsknecht > from about 1560, like the ones in Jost Amman's Book of Trades. My hips are > mostly disguised under the pluderhosen puffing, and my softer anatomy gets > flattened out so it doesn't bulge or bounce, under a doublet, jerkin, and > jacket, with shaped padding to smooth out the general line. The period > shoulders of the jerkin (plus shoulder pads in the doublet) broaden my > shoulders to a believable width. And I designed slashed shoes which make > my feet look longer. I end up looking like a paunchy Bavarian (pictures > available by request - e-mail me offlist). I even fooled a gay man once, > at a distance of about 5' - it took him a couple of minutes to parse it out. Well.... I saw the picture, while I agree it's a lovely costume you made for yourself, you are going to hit me now, but I don't think you look male. I saw the pic and thought 'oh look, a woman with a false moustache'. Uhm, sorry, that's probably because I am so used to crossdressing, but I thought that before I knew it was you in male kit. It's very nice kit though. I don't think any of this really matters though in the sense that each of us have our own opinions, which is fine, and while mine will not bodge a millimetre because I am against excessive crossdressing while in modern life I happily considered a sex change years ago but figured you can 'chop something off but not sew something on', I accept that others have different opinions. Nicole, not Nicolas ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 08:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30345 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:05:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IC72Y27362; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 06:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IC71N01388; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 06:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IC2FN00456 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 06:02:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #6) id 17gOl4-0002o3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:02:14 -0400 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20020818112628.90015.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:11:26 -0400 Status: RO There is a percentage of women who, for various genetic and hormonal reasons, would find it easier to dress as a male (and get away with it) than others. I don't think I could get away with it now as I am too heavy (and consequently my chest is too large), but I have several friends who could in a heartbeat. Since women come in all shapes and sizes, with voices that range from soprano to tenor or lower, I'm sure there is a percentage of women who find it easier to dress as a male and be convincing, than others. So some probably could, and some couldn't. I suspect the severe consequences would have kept all but the most determined from doing so, however. Just my 2 cents, -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 09:20:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30705 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IDM4Y29238; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IDM2N14654; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IDJtN14263 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-121-193.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.121.193]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW45161; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:19:43 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <045201c246ba$4c198f00$a26f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <001201c244ca$f7daf640$2f29fea9@pacbell.net><4.3.1.2.20020818014011.04bf71c0@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020818032331.00cb3130@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:22:26 +0100 Status: RO >Unfortunates? That came across as kind of rude. I hope it wasn't intended as a flame. Not at all more a joke , it obviously dsen't translate but not flame or insult intended to anyone sorry :( >I don't have the basic pretty female face. I don't even think one needs to be pretty to look female, I still think conventianly classed ugly women (and to clarify I don't mean you are ugly or anyone specific) still look like women >Walking, standing, and otherwise acting like a guy helps the general image. Staying in character helps too (I don't get to flirt, or use any one-sex bathroom, and if I even smile too much my moustache starts coming unglued). Being 5'6" tall doesn't help, but I don't have small bones, so it's almost OK. Well there were plenty of 5'6" guys, still are, but I've yet to be that convinced by women in male kit, ie too see them as males (I can do it from the role play perspective of course, but as a member of the public I'm rarely convinced if you know what I mean) Of course it could be all the really good ones are unspottable ;) >. I just said sometimes this 21st century woman gets bored with the traditional women's work of 100 years ago and, without risking life or limb, does cross-dress and 'go to war' on occasion Like I said no problem with that if it isn't justified (as it often is) by saying loads of women used to do it. I don't have a problem with cross dresing anyway anyone wants too in fact , but just don't agree with the justification behind it for women as soldiers, in history . Or to put it another way I don't feel in this day & age that you should NEED to justify doing something so harmless, just so a buch of men can stop you fighting, most of whom would be beaten to a pulp by any woman who happen to need to do so in period ;) You want to fight, fight, you have my full support. But the costume , I personally fell does not generally look convincing ie most women (& obviously I can't speak for all in the world) do not lok like men. ( but that is fairly irrelevent in the great span of things, but more relevant on a costume list I think ?) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 09:25:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30713 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:25:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IDR4Y29372; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:27:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IDR1N15558; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IDQ8N15371 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-121-193.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.121.193]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW45632; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:25:57 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <045901c246bb$2b03e760$a26f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20020818092047.15941.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:28:40 +0100 Status: RO Understood >Oh, sorry. What I meant was that inhistory dress denoted gender, this is why throughout history there were actually hasrh punbishments for women, when found out, who wore male clothing There are certain exceptions to that eg to preserve their virtue it is acceptable, but in general women want to be seen as women and I think this has far more cultural significance than punishment. On the other hand, the female skellys of a population in East Anglia (where I was recently digging) are hugely muscled suggesting a massive amount of farming type work (it is an agrarian poulation) Having tried to do my field duties in medieval kit I find it a real pain & often wonder how they coped or even did they ? Are the remains we have culturally biased to show 'Sunday best' And if we dig hose we say man & dress we say woman ? I wonder how much this will change over the next few decades after all grave good associations are not as sex accurate as they were once thought and we need to be careful to seperate sex from gender. Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 09:39:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30750 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:39:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IDbEY29687; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:37:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IDbCN17635; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IDXVN16874 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:33:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-121-193.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.121.193]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW45934; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:33:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <046a01c246bc$332edb60$a26f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20020818112628.90015.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:36:03 +0100 Status: RO >partly because I always felt wrong - it's almost like stating that the lives of the women that went before us were so dull that they aren't worth remembering or re-creating, That is a big problem that much of what women did was in the greater picture & it is hard to recreate the whole as opposed to some small battle. Let's face it most men in history would not have fought , many who did would have prefered not to, many who recreate it would probably be scared by the real thing. Men would be more acurately portrayed farming, craftspersoning or whatever. So the fact women are dressing as men to fight ,IMHO, is no more fantasy land than a load of middle aged, over weight , under fit men fighting a battle. Most men who have been in such situations I've met, would not describe it as a fun pastime. >(who had better mend her male Norman kit in time to water carry at Hastings this year!) Oh ! is it one again this year ? Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 09:39:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30754 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:39:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IDbRY29701; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IDbQN17695; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IDZgN17261 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:35:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-121-193.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.121.193]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW45986; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:35:30 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <047101c246bc$80ccda20$a26f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:38:13 +0100 Status: RO >. I suspect the severe consequences would have kept all but the most determined from doing so, however. I suspect it is more common sense and desire for something better in life that kept them from doing so. Is it just me who wonders who in their right mind would go willingly to be real life(or more importantly dead) canon/spear/sword/ fodder ? Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 11:00:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02601 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:00:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IF25Y02477; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:02:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IF21N03512; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IEvnN02613 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:57:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17gRUu-0002AQ-00; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:57:45 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: , Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor-Stuart Embroidery patterns book(1/12" scale) Organization: PII Message-ID: <000001c246c6$319f7d40$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2468B.8540A540" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003601c24469$388fd3c0$55c98693@creighton.edu> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:47:35 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2468B.8540A540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Cindy, I would be very interested in what you think of this book. I haven't tried Amazon, but where did you buy your copy? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cynthia Abel Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:37 AM To: FMvinyls@yahoogroups.com; TylerDoll@egroups.com; h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Tudor-Stuart Embroidery patterns book(1/12" scale) It is for doll-house size projects but I just ordered Pamela Warner's book on Embroidery Patterns for the Tudor-Stuart Doll's House. These are supposed to be authentic designs Warner adapted to 1/12" scale and for the experienced embroiderer, according to the review in the Aug issue of Library Journal. I will post a review for any interested parties, especially on the fesibility of sizing up these patterns to fit dolls or their environments. Cindy Abel ILL Coordinator Health Sciences Library Creighton University 2500 California Plaza Omaha NE 68178-0210 Phone: 402. 280-5144 Fax: 402.280-5134 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2468B.8540A540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 Cindy, I would be very interested in what you think of this book.  = I=20 haven't tried Amazon, but where did you buy your = copy?
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It is for doll-house size projects = but I just=20 ordered Pamela Warner's book on Embroidery Patterns for the = Tudor-Stuart=20 Doll's House. These are supposed to be authentic designs Warner = adapted to=20 1/12" scale and for the experienced embroiderer, according to the = review in=20 the Aug issue of Library Journal.
 
I will post a review for any = interested parties,=20 especially on the fesibility of sizing up these patterns to fit dolls = or their=20 environments.
 
 
Cindy Abel
ILL = Coordinator
Health Sciences=20 Library
Creighton University
2500 California Plaza
Omaha NE=20 68178-0210
Phone: 402. 280-5144
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2468B.8540A540-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 11:28:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02752 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:28:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IFRDY03342; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:27:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IFR7N08652; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IFPjN08361 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:25:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g7IFPc82099467 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:25:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208181525.g7IFPc82099467@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Algerian suit - soutache in large quantities? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020817172721.00c677c0@mail.frys.com> from "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" at Aug 17, 2002 05:39:31 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO try cheeptrims.com > > I just got my Folkwear Algerian suit pattern in the mail today. Woo hoo!, > and thanx Sue Clemenger. > > The bad news is the jacket takes 135 yards of soutache, the vest 40 yards, > and the trousers 50 yards, for the Authentic Detailing version. There must > be a source for cones or spools of soutache, because I have seen them, > mostly used up, at flea markets and thrift stores. Where does someone get > soutache in bulk, without a resale number? Suddenly I need 225 yards of it. > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 11:30:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02765 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:30:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IFWCY03538; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IFWBN09678; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:32:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7IFUnN09360 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020818153048.80654.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:30:48 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020818112628.90015.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:30:48 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Debbie Lough wrote: > Speaking as someone who is part of an English Civil > War regiment which has exactly 4 women who don't cross > dress, I always feel a bit left out, and as though I > don't matter, as though I'm somehow not worth as much > because I don't go on the battlefield. Oh dear, but yes, I know what you mean. It is the silly notion of all those military groups, and that periods are re-enacted because of their battles. This is why I founded my society, because I had it, because women are as important as men and vice versa. I find both parts important, civilian and military, not just one. Apart from that, I always find it boring when there are societies where 'all' men are dressed in soldiers' kit, costume-wise I would like to see all possibilities! > I used to cross dress in ECW re-enactment, but I gave > it up years ago, partly because I always felt wrong - > it's almost like stating that the lives of the women > that went before us were so dull that they aren't > worth remembering or re-creating, Yes yes and yes again! This is why I say to people who accuse me of being PC unfriendly = against women, because of not allowing crossdressing (trust me, they don't accuse ME of all people for long for that) that I think full emancipation is NOT there if a woman feels she has to dress up as a man to enjoy herself, have an important role in the group and the portrayal of society etc. The same goes for Ben's Anglo-Saxon society Angelcynn, we do living history, it's not a military group though several of the men are trained in weapons use, and well trained at that if I may say so. (and partly because > I got bored with being shouted at to go and march > around a field first thing, (never was a morning > person!)). *laughs* I enjoyed at Kirby to peek out of our shelter while sipping period coffee and watching them 'being shouted at' Last but not least I LOVE civilian male kit of the Baroque, why on earth would a guy want to dress up in a uniform when he could have brocades and silks and velvets and silver and gold and and and. sheesh! men! :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 11:33:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02773 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:33:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IFW4Y03520; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IFW3N09642; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IFSxN09011 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17gRz8-0006TR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:28:58 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Organization: PII Message-ID: <000701c246ca$8e8c6960$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000701c2443c$07d19f20$da4c86d9@oemcomputer> Subject: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of fabric not color (was: Linen) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:18:50 -0700 Status: RO **Margaret Spufford does mention a warning that where linen is **called "blew" or "blue", it doesn't mean that the linen was **necessarily that colour, rather that it referred to a certain **quality of linen, ie cheap. This is interesting. I am working my way through "Renaissance Clothing and the Materials of Memory" by Ann Rosalind Jones and Peter Stallybrass. They explain a similar cloth/color use: "...But the play insistently focuses up on her russet gown. In fact, despite the fact that the word russet was derived from the old French rousset, a diminutive of rous[x], meaning red, the word entered English as a marker of class rather than color. Russet defined a coarse homespun woolen cloth which was sometimes indeed dyed a reddish-brown, but was often dyed gray or another neutral color, depending upon the availability and cheapness of the dye. Thus in Piers Plowman, Langland writes of Charity as being "as glad of a goune of graye russet/As of a tunicle of tarse or of tyre scarlet." This book is very academic, but has some juicy tidbits in it which makes it worth reading. They discuss extensively the use of clothing as currency and also about Jacobean "Yellow Starch", and the court fashion of 1610 of the full exposure of the breasts in women's clothing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 12:20:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02927 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:20:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IGM3Y05403; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IGM1N20229; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7IGHSN19244 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020818161727.99751.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:17:27 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:17:27 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I just wanted to say that I went into a pet shop and bought a spray that's use for birds to get rid of feather mites and lice. I don't know if I have mites on my feathers, but at least on the hat that I had made in 1998, there was something strange happening: over the winter the white ostriches got 'gnawed upon' at least this is what it looked like. I am trying to spray the hat and the loose feathers that I have in regular intervals and will see if anything happens over the winter to my feathers. I will let you know if the simple spray method works. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 12:50:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03046 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:50:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IGqEY06543; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:52:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IGqCN26491; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:52:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IGp2N26211 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip118.13-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.13.118]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7IGowx03050 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice Message-ID: <3D5F701C.2769.FD5057C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020818161727.99751.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:59:56 -0700 Status: RO > I just wanted to say that I went into a pet shop and bought a spray > that's use for birds to get rid of feather mites and lice. I don't > know if I have mites on my feathers, but at least on the hat that I > had made in 1998, there was something strange happening: over the > winter the white ostriches got 'gnawed upon' at least this is what it > looked like. That certainly sounds like feather mites. >I am trying to spray the hat and the loose feathers that > I have in regular intervals and will see if anything happens over the > winter to my feathers. I will let you know if the simple spray method > works. I hope it does work. It would sure make things easier for a lot of us! Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 13:20:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03170 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:20:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IHM2Y07725; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IHM1N02955; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IHLEN02798 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:21:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-124-38.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.124.38]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW55106; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:21:02 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <04be01c246dc$01b6c5a0$a26f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20020818153048.80654.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:23:43 +0100 Status: RO >I think full emancipation is NOT there if a woman feels she has to dress up as a man to enjoy herself, Hard one that. I guess you need to define dress up as a man. I wear trousers as a general rule (in real life) which to me is not dressing up as a man. But I do love edge weapon fighting (as I mentioned I would not be so keen for real) But for practical purposes one is better dressed 'as a man' if you put you metaphorical historical specs on :) I feel fully emancipated (I think !!) and reckon on being able to do anything a man can (no rude comments on the physical side eg no I can't pee up a wall) But for many of those things feminine garb is not appropriate, eg fixing a car in a mini skirt & heels or going climbing etc. Actually when you get down to it maybe much of female dress (through history & even now) does tie you to certain roles and maybe only by 'dressing as a man' can you be emancipated ? I'd agree with the statement if it was "full emancipation is NOT there if a woman feels she has to pretend to be a man to enjoy herself, " Thoughts ? Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 13:35:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03232 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:35:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IHb5Y08270; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:37:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IHb4N06052; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7IHZdN05718 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:35:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020818173539.3531.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:35:39 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <04be01c246dc$01b6c5a0$a26f4ed5@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:35:39 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Oh dear, I was misunderstood again!!!! AAAHHRRGGHH!!!! --- Melanie Wilson wrote: > >I think full > emancipation is NOT there if a woman feels she has to dress up as a man to > enjoy herself, > > Hard one that. I guess you need to define dress up as a man. I meant in re-enactment!!!! This is what we were talking about! Sometimes I HATE emails because it seems I get misunderstood (and misunderstand) every dozenth mail or so or less. I wear trousers > as a general rule (in real life) which to me is not dressing up as a man. I NEVER wear skirts in real life. I sometimes wear suit and tie when it tickles my fancy, a male suit that is. I wear what I want. Basta. (and what Uni lets me get away with *G*) > But I do love edge weapon fighting (as I mentioned I would not be so keen > for real) But for practical purposes one is better dressed 'as a man' if you > put you metaphorical historical specs on :) Yeah what I mean was that women told me that they felt they could only fully participate in a chosen society if they crossdressed and went to fight (or drum etc.) this is sad, because female roles/portrayals should not be marginalised, which happens usually though when the group/period/society is set out as military. > I feel fully emancipated (I think !!) and reckon on being able to do > anything a man can (no rude comments on the physical side eg no I can't pee > up a wall) But for many of those things feminine garb is not appropriate, eg > fixing a car in a mini skirt & heels or going climbing etc. hehehehe, though I think that the car fixing bit in mini skirts would be one of those male fantasies *snortle* > Actually when you get down to it maybe much of female dress (through history > & even now) does tie you to certain roles and maybe only by 'dressing as a > man' can you be emancipated ? Interesting thought, though how then do men manage insocieties nowadays where they wear 'skirts' or 'dresses' i.e. ethnical clothing that is not trousers? Hmm... > I'd agree with the statement if it was "full emancipation is NOT there if a > woman feels she has to pretend to be a man to enjoy herself, " Yes yes, this is what I meant!!! This is what I tried to say but hell, even though I live in England I am not and will never be a native speaker. *curses emails just for the hell of it once again* Without it though, we could not communicate internationally at all, so.. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 13:35:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03241 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:35:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IHbWY08284; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IHbVN06161; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IDVkN16535 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:31:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-3803.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.78.219] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17gQ9f-0004WB-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:31:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c246bd$fe7f15e0$db4e86d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C246C6.5F0DBD00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] X-dressing soldiers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:48:53 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C246C6.5F0DBD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll join Debbie and Nicole on this one, I'm afraid. X-dressing is one = of my pet-hates, too, especially where LH is involved. I've lost count = of the number of times that I've heard a member of the public ask "did = women really fight, then?" At best, we're twisting history to suit our = own preferences and enjoyment, at worst, we're doing a massive = disservice to the women who went before us (not that I'm a raging = feminist). Personally, I don't really have a prob if women want to x-dress "on the = field", if it's a safe enough distance from the audience. However, I'd = agree with the issue over women's voices - there ain't noooo way a woman = can sound like a man when she's barking out orders. Another thing, I'd = love to see the woman who could run like a man - sorry, our centre of = gravity and pelvic formation just won't allow it! The major issue, is that history, or more accurately, historical = re-enactment has become far too dominated by militaristic facets. This = leaves many women with limited choices,or so it's perceived - such as = spinning, sewing and cooking, as far as LH is concerned. = Understandably, many become bored. However, there are so many roles out = there for women to research and portray, if they want to, or are = enabled. I've done x-dressing and quickly decided that my conscience wouldn't = allow me to do it more than required. It looks cheesy when you're doing = LH - and I've seen so many women who just couldn't carry it off, despite = their best efforts. Sorry to sound so extreme, but there you go. = X-dressing okayish for long-distance re-enactment - but not for = LH..well, each to their own, I spose. Regards, Helen ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C246C6.5F0DBD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll join Debbie and = Nicole on this=20 one, I'm afraid.  X-dressing is one of my pet-hates, too, = especially where=20 LH is involved.  I've lost count of the number of times that I've = heard a=20 member of the public ask "did women really fight, then?"  At best, = we're=20 twisting history to suit our own preferences and enjoyment, at worst, = we're=20 doing a massive disservice to the women who went before us (not that I'm = a=20 raging feminist).
 
Personally, I don't = really have a=20 prob if women want to x-dress "on the field", if it's a safe enough = distance=20 from the audience.  However, I'd agree with the issue over women's = voices -=20 there ain't noooo way a woman can sound like a man when she's barking = out=20 orders.  Another thing, I'd love to see the woman who could run = like a man=20 - sorry, our centre of gravity and pelvic formation just won't allow=20 it!
 
The major issue, is that = history, or=20 more accurately, historical re-enactment has become far too dominated by = militaristic facets.  This leaves many women with limited = choices,or=20 so it's perceived - such as spinning, sewing and cooking, as far as LH = is=20 concerned.  Understandably, many become bored.  However, there = are so=20 many roles out there for women to research and portray, if they want to, = or are=20 enabled.
 
I've done x-dressing and = quickly=20 decided that my conscience wouldn't allow me to do it more than = required. =20 It looks cheesy when you're doing LH - and I've seen so many women who = just=20 couldn't carry it off, despite their best efforts.  Sorry to sound = so=20 extreme, but there you go.  X-dressing okayish for long-distance=20 re-enactment - but not for LH..well, each to their own, I=20 spose.
 
Regards,=20 Helen
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C246C6.5F0DBD00-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 13:35:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03245 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:35:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IHbcY08303; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:37:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IHbbN06187; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IEeIN29036 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:40:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-2610.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.42.50] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17gRE0-00013v-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:40:16 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c246c7$9273e420$322a86d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <047101c246bc$80ccda20$a26f4ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:57:26 +0100 Status: RO Mel wrote: Is it just me who wonders who in their right mind would go willingly to be > real life(or more importantly dead) canon/spear/sword/ fodder ? So many times throughout history in this country (UK) men did not go willingly, as we know - rather, they were "obliged", or rather they had to go as part of the manorial or civic obligation. However, I feel we shouldn't necessarily look at this particular issue with a 21st C mindset. We're now blessed with the benefit of hindsight, thanks to the growth/access of the media to the realities of warfare. We know we'd find it hard to understand the ethos of wanting to fight for a cause, and ultimately, perhaps even die for it. Certainly during the ECW, men *were* willing to fight for their cause, whether driven by religion or loyalty to KC1 - these weren't the only "causes", either. Whether they considered the possibility of being cannon-fodder is something we'll probably never know. Those who were truly cannon-fodder never returned to tell their tale. Those who escaped, obviously weren't able to tell that compelling a tale, because men *still* continue to take up arms up until the present day! Those who went to the Front in WW1 probably never knew what to expect - although the Generals etc did - if it had become common-knowledge, would men still have volunteered - who knows. Even with the benefit of reading first-hand accounts, film footage etc and it being known as "the War to end All Wars", has it made any difference to whether men still sign-up to join an army, or to bear arms for what they consider to be a "righteous cause"? Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Sent: 18 August 2002 14:38 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers > >. I suspect the severe > consequences would have kept all but the most determined from doing so, > however. > > > I suspect it is more common sense and desire for something better in life > that kept them from doing so. > > Is it just me who wonders who in their right mind would go willingly to be > real life(or more importantly dead) canon/spear/sword/ fodder ? > > Mel > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received > it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose > the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of > this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the > Company, unless specifically stated. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 13:35:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03250 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:35:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IHbrY08335; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:37:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IHbpN06280; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:37:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IG6KN16909 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-2934.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.59.118] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17gSZF-00088i-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:06:18 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c246d3$97a4d100$763b86d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: Subject: Fw: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:23:29 +0100 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Partner" To: Sent: 18 August 2002 15:57 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers > Mel wrote: > > Is it just me who wonders who in their right mind would go willingly to be > > real life(or more importantly dead) canon/spear/sword/ fodder ? > > So many times throughout history in this country (UK) men did not go > willingly, as we know - rather, they were "obliged", or rather they had to > go as part of the manorial or civic obligation. However, I feel we > shouldn't necessarily look at this particular issue with a 21st C mindset. > We're now blessed with the benefit of hindsight, thanks to the growth/access > of the media to the realities of warfare. We know we'd find it hard to > understand the ethos of wanting to fight for a cause, and ultimately, > perhaps even die for it. Certainly during the ECW, men *were* willing to > fight for their cause, whether driven by religion or loyalty to KC1 - > these weren't the only "causes", either. Whether they considered the > possibility of being cannon-fodder is something we'll probably never know. > Those who were truly cannon-fodder never returned to tell their tale. Those > who escaped, obviously weren't able to tell that compelling a tale, because > men *still* continue to take up arms up until the present day! Those who > went to the Front in WW1 probably never knew what to expect - although the > Generals etc did - if it had become common-knowledge, would men still have > volunteered - who knows. Even with the benefit of reading first-hand > accounts, film footage etc and it being known as "the War to end All Wars", > has it made any difference to whether men still sign-up to join an army, or > to bear arms for what they consider to be a "righteous cause"? > > Regards > Helen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Melanie Wilson" > To: > Sent: 18 August 2002 14:38 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers > > > > >. I suspect the severe > > consequences would have kept all but the most determined from doing so, > > however. > > > > > > I suspect it is more common sense and desire for something better in life > > that kept them from doing so. > > > > Is it just me who wonders who in their right mind would go willingly to be > > real life(or more importantly dead) canon/spear/sword/ fodder ? > > > > Mel > > > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received > > it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose > > the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of > > this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the > > Company, unless specifically stated. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 13:36:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03254 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:36:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IHc2Y08356; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IHc0N06344; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IG9NN17629 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-956.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.3.188] helo=oemcomputer) by imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17gScD-0003KF-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:09:22 +0100 Message-ID: <002501c246d4$057a2fe0$763b86d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C246DC.52005C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] time lag for postings Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:26:00 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C246DC.52005C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Does anyone else have any probs with 2 day time lag for postings? = Perhaps I'm doing something wrong? 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Does anyone else have any = probs=20 with  2 day time lag for postings?  Perhaps I'm doing = something=20 wrong?  Any suggestions would be welcomed!  BTW, this was = originally=20 posted  on Sunday at 1718, for ref.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C246DC.52005C60-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 13:41:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03279 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:41:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IHhVY08629; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:43:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IHhTN07685; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:43:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IHf5N07093 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:41:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28022 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:43:26 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers In-Reply-To: <04be01c246dc$01b6c5a0$a26f4ed5@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:43:26 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO This thread reminds me of a news story I read a few years ago while I was living in Virginia, an area of the U.S. in which Civil War battle reenactment is extremely popular, and where there are many sizable reenactments of specific battles on famous battleground sites. The standards for reenactors are very strict as regards kit, progression of the battles, etc. It seems that there was a woman who had been participating for some time in one of the companies that did battleground reenactment. She was dressed as a man, used a male name, and looked like a male in his late teens. The important point: None of her fellow reenactors knew she was female. They thought she was a teenage boy. She was not discovered until someone noticed she used a women's room rather than men's room on the park grounds. At that point, the reenactment company tried to have her thrown out, because (they said) there were no known women fighting in that battle, and so it was not authentic. Her argument was that no one could tell she was a woman (as had already been demonstrated), and that as far as she was concerned, she was playing the role of a male soldier, not the role of a woman cross-dressing to be a male soldier. She also pointed out that nearly all of the men who were participating were either much older or fatter than the average Civil War male, so in essence her portrayal (as a slim youth of maybe 17 or 18) was far more accurate than theirs, particularly as the audience would see it. That was as it was reported in the newspaper, maybe five years ago. I don't know whether they succeeded in having her removed from the company. If anyone heard about this, I'd love to find out how it all turned out. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 13:56:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03316 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:56:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IHw9Y09253; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IHw7N11034; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IHsvN10298 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:54:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-124-38.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.124.38]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW58687; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:54:46 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <056c01c246e0$b7c11c20$a26f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <047101c246bc$80ccda20$a26f4ed5@pavilion> <000d01c246c7$9273e420$322a86d9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:57:27 +0100 Status: RO >So many times throughout history in this country (UK) men did not go willingly, as we know - rather, they were "obliged", or rather they had to go as part of the manorial or civic obligation. That was my point, as women were not obliged why pretend to be men to become obliged ? >However, I feel we shouldn't necessarily look at this particular issue with a 21st C mindset. Don't get me wrong I am not saying the men who fought for what they believed was a just cause we doing a wromng thing, I think with their background , both culturally & with the knowledge they had there was little choice for them But women had a different experiance and I don't believe they would have rished intoit, most accounts suggest dire need, or similar forces at work, eg some of the most famous ladys in such situations were leading for their sons, husbands and often were past child bearing or did not have children eg no women with small dependant children. This harks back to the fact we are the female of the species and evolution has led us to a path of best survival of our genes, this does not include reckless dying, but presevation of our genes in ourselves & offpring we have far more (biologically) invested in each child than a man. This is echoed in behaviour of other primates to some extent too. Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 14:08:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03360 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:08:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IIAIY09905; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:10:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IIAGN14154; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:10:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7II61N13140 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p132.directcon.net [209.233.107.132]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g7II5aXu029851; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:05:37 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020818111049.013ba550@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020818032331.00cb3130@mail.frys.com> References: <03de01c24695$9c2f1d40$a26f4ed5@pavilion> <001201c244ca$f7daf640$2f29fea9@pacbell.net> <4.3.1.2.20020818014011.04bf71c0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:10:49 -0700 Status: RO At 04:16 AM 08/18/2002 -0700, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> >I am not a male shape, but I have been mistaken for a man on more than one >>occasion while cross-dressing. I've seen Kayta cross dressed, and it's very convincing. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 14:08:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03364 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:08:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IIAZY09923; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:10:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IIAXN14214; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7II7TN13479 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:07:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-124-38.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.124.38]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW60033; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:06:52 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <058101c246e2$686ca8e0$a26f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20020818173539.3531.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:09:33 +0100 Status: RO >Oh dear, I was misunderstood again!!!! AAAHHRRGGHH!!!! Sorry :(( >I meant in re-enactment!!!! This is what we were talking about! Sometimes I HATE emails because it seems I get misunderstood (and misunderstand) every dozenth mail or so or less. Tell me about it !! But we can't be emancipated in re-enactment can we ? That is what I was trying to get across re-enactment is a fantasy world where women were undervalued (if history as written by male historians is to be belived but that is another can of worms !) The true value of women THEN can't be seen because we only see a tiny bit of how it was (even if we get away from warfare eg in your & my Anglo Saxon living history type portrayals) Perhaps the fault lies in undervaluing cooking, sewing & child rearing ? >I NEVER wear skirts in real life. I sometimes wear suit and tie when it tickles my fancy, a male suit that is. I wear what I want. Basta. (and what Uni lets me get away with *G*) Ah what you can get away with, even in the 21st C we are still tied by others biases :( >Yeah what I mean was that women told me that they felt they could only fully participate in a chosen society if they crossdressed and went to fight (or drum etc.) this is sad, because female roles/portrayals should not be marginalised, which happens usually though when the group/period/society is set out as military. Agreed but it is rather dull to do some of the portable tasks a women would have done. Don't read that as me thinking female life was dull, but the portable bit can be. Having said that with kids I mainly do cooking, crafts, etc & don't find them dull, but it isn't why I started re-enacting (you see the differance ?) >hehehehe, though I think that the car fixing bit in mini skirts would be one of those male fantasies *snortle* Usefull when you don't actually want to fix your car ;) >Interesting thought, though how then do men manage insocieties nowadays where they wear 'skirts' or 'dresses' i.e. ethnical clothing that is not trousers? Generally they are shorter arn't they ? In the ones I can think of where they are long eg Togas the men in question didn't do manual work. Shorts or kilt length/fullness skirt arn't so different, it is the long skirts / corsets etc I'm thinking of oh yes & heels these days makes you helpless >> I'd agree with the statement if it was "full emancipation is NOT there if a >> woman feels she has to pretend to be a man to enjoy herself, " >Yes yes, this is what I meant!!! This is what I tried to say but hell, even though I live in England I am not and will never be a native speaker. *curses emails just for the hell of it once again* It's OK I'm useless at putting my thoughts into written text (I'm dyslexic) and it is always easier to correct somebody else ;0) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 14:08:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03368 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:08:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IIAoY09945; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:10:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IIAnN14294; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:10:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7II8wN13847 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.134.27]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020818180848.LECV1953.out007.verizon.net@default> for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:08:48 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020818180650.00711fa0@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:06:50 -0400 Status: RO At 12:43 PM 8/18/02 -0500, you wrote: >At that point, the reenactment company tried to have her thrown out, >because (they said) there were no known women fighting in that battle, and >so it was not authentic. Her argument was that no one could tell she was a >woman (as had already been demonstrated), and that as far as she was >concerned, she was playing the role of a male soldier, not the role of a >woman cross-dressing to be a male soldier. She also pointed out that >nearly all of the men who were participating were either much older or >fatter than the average Civil War male, so in essence her portrayal (as a >slim youth of maybe 17 or 18) was far more accurate than theirs, >particularly as the audience would see it. > >That was as it was reported in the newspaper, maybe five years ago. I >don't know whether they succeeded in having her removed from the company. >If anyone heard about this, I'd love to find out how it all turned out. > >--Robin I am not aware of such a story here in Virginia, but as retold here, it is similiar to Burgess Vs. Maryland about ten years ago. This case envolved a women portraying a man in a ACW unit. Park employees (I think it may have been Sharpsburg) caught a female desguised as a soldier, and who had been passing successfully untill she used the facilities. The State of Maryland does not allow cross dressing for it's employees and at least at the time did not allow it of re-enactors. The women was expelled from the event. Later she took this matter to court and won her case, using similiar arguements as you gave above. This caused a great wave amongst the reenacting world, but the matter really changed very little. The State of Maryland still does not allow professional intererpreters to cross dress ( I am not sure about re-enactors). Many renactment units of all periods still do not allow females to portray the roles of men (many others do). Our policy at work is that neither gender may cross dress unless necessary to fulfill job duties. As far as reenactors, we have no say over those who come on their own through out the year. As far as those who participate in our programs, we allow cross dressing (after all how can we say no to them when are own people are doing it?) Personally I am against this at work for similiar reasons as already mentioned on the list. I remain, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 14:09:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03372 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:09:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IIAwY09962; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:10:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IIAuN14330; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:10:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7II9XN13999 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:09:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m124.in-tch.com [216.166.191.124]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7IHtE921365 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:55:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5FE3DF.556EDF2@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of fabric not color (was: Linen) References: <000701c246ca$8e8c6960$6501a8c0@Home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:13:51 -0600 Status: RO This sounds really interesting...Could you please share the ISBN number? --Sue Saragrace knauf wrote: > I am working my way through "Renaissance Clothing > and the Materials of Memory" by Ann Rosalind Jones and Peter > Stallybrass. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 14:19:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03399 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:19:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IIL3Y10347; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IIL1N16758; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IIKYN16668 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:20:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m124.in-tch.com [216.166.191.124]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7II6F923643 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5FE6D6.52E5F956@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] time lag for postings References: <002501c246d4$057a2fe0$763b86d9@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:26:30 -0600 Status: RO Hi, Helen. This came through just fine, but I did notice several of your posts coming in a few days after the fact. Of course the lists I'm on are all pretty much deadly quiet this weekend anyways--I suspect lots of folks busy doing other things, like washing the mud from their clothing and vehicles if they were at Kirby Hall, or returning from Pennsic, if they're in the SCA. --Sue > Helen Partner wrote: > > Hello, > Does anyone else have any probs with 2 day time lag for postings? > Perhaps I'm doing something wrong? Any suggestions would be > welcomed! BTW, this was originally posted on Sunday at 1718, for > ref. > > Regards > > Hx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 14:25:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03423 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:25:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IIR3Y10547; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IIR1N18216; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IIQDN18020 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:26:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28388 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:28:35 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of fabric not color (was: Linen) In-Reply-To: <000701c246ca$8e8c6960$6501a8c0@Home> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:28:35 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Saragrace Knauf quoted Ann Rosalind Jones and Peter Stallybrass in "Renaissance Clothing and the Materials of Memory" as saying: > In fact, despite the fact that the word russet was derived from the > old French rousset, a diminutive of rous[x], meaning red, the word > entered English as a marker of class rather than color. Russet > defined a coarse homespun woolen cloth which was sometimes indeed dyed > a reddish-brown, but was often dyed gray or another neutral color, > depending upon the availability and cheapness of the dye. Thus in > Piers Plowman, Langland writes of Charity as being "as glad of a goune > of graye russet/As of a tunicle of tarse or of tyre scarlet." Close, but as I understand it, not quite on the mark. Christopher Dyer, in "Standards of Living in the Later Middle Ages," defines russet quite specifically (and with enough support to make me feel comfortable with the definition) as *undyed* cloth made of wool from a black sheep. That, of course, might be any of several shades of greys or browns or other neutral colors, but the issue of availability and cheapness of dye would not be a factor in that. So I would be more inclined to read Langland's reference to "graye russet" as meaning an undyed garment that was naturally grey, not a garment dyed grey. When you look at the body of references to russet cloth, that makes a lot more sense. Dyer gives pricing information (various places in England, 12th-14th c.) that shows that the cheapest woolen cloth was generally "blanket" (undyed wool from white sheep), the next cheapest was russet, and the next after that was "bluett" -- cloth dyed blue. Blue was a cheap and readily available dye, and Dyer says it would have been the cheapest dyed cloth. And if you're going to go to the extra expense of dyeing, why would you dye cloth a dull or neutral color that can be achieved without dyeing? I do not know at what point "russet" became used as a color reference for reddish dyed cloth, or at what point the term might have been applied to cloth dyed grey or brown rather than being naturally grey or brown wool. But I would be inclined to think that readings of medieval references to "russet" as meaning "a cheap homespun wool dyed a neutral color" are making an unwarranted assumption of the use of dye to achieve the neutral color. If Jones and Stallybrass have support for their reference to grey and neutral dyes as cheap, and for russet being a name for cloth dyed this way, I'd like to know! Otherwise, I think they may have assumed that references to grey or brown russet cloth must have meant cloth dyed those colors. Or they may have relied on an earlier reference that made that assumption. It's an easy assumption to make, given the modern understanding of "russet" as a color word. At Kalamazoo last year, in a session we had on documentary sources, both Susan Carroll-Clark (on this list) and another speaker described sources that mentioned garments of russet. One of them (Susan, was it you or Kristen?) noted that this was among the rare mentions of color of certain types of garment, in that set of documents -- but if you know that this was a description of cloth type/quality and not a specific color, the references would make more sense in context. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 14:27:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03433 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:27:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IIT4Y10636; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:29:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IIT2N18669; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7IISJN18519 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020818182818.33067.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:28:18 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <058101c246e2$686ca8e0$a26f4ed5@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:28:18 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Melanie Wilson wrote: > >Oh dear, I was misunderstood again!!!! AAAHHRRGGHH!!!! > > Sorry :(( That's alright :-) > Tell me about it !! But we can't be emancipated in re-enactment can we ? *nods* this is what I always moan about to Ben, there are things I would LIKE to do but can't just because women did not do it in the period we portray. Actually, that goes the other way round too, some chaps wanted to do things in the chosen period which just weren't appropriate for their gender. Fortunately though, if a woman wanted to do wood chopping and general camp tasks she can, there are many visual bits of women doing all sorts in camp life on the Blenheim tapestries and earlier tapestries in the 17th century. Still, BOTH genders are restricted in authentic portrayal is what I think, though females are probably more restricted. We can't change history though, and since I can't stand cooking I just portray higher class and sit and sew or embroider. Fortunately I guess I have no interest in figthing or getting dirty. :-))) Makes it less of a winge factor for me. > That is what I was trying to get across re-enactment is a fantasy world > where women were undervalued (if history as written by male historians is to > be belived but that is another can of worms !) They certainly were not undervalued in Anglo-Saxon society but then you know that. The true value of women THEN > can't be seen because we only see a tiny bit of how it was (even if we get > away from warfare eg in your & my Anglo Saxon living history type > portrayals) Perhaps the fault lies in undervaluing cooking, sewing & child > rearing ? I think the problem in re-enactment is that all of the above just isn't as 'showy' and instantaneously 'TV-like' and 'impressive' as a battle. 'whoom bang splash splatter scream flash stab stab' and whoopiedoo it looks just like on TV but in real time. While standing at a living history site and chatting to someone who sews or cooks, or something like that requires BRAINS and interest by that member of the public. It's not just passively digesting and 'being entertained' it is being active and seeking communication. I tell you something, I am so shy in real life (yep!) that I just don't dare walking up to someone and starting communication and asking questions. I bet there are a lot more people out there like that. I find though that when a member of the public does come and start asking and we begin a conversation about all sorts of things, costume, history, etc. it is actually very entertaining for both and very rewarding for me and enjoyable. > Agreed but it is rather dull to do some of the portable tasks a women would > have done. Don't read that as me thinking female life was dull, but the > portable bit can be. Having said that with kids I mainly do cooking, crafts, > etc & don't find them dull, but it isn't why I started re-enacting (you see > the differance ?) Yes indeed, see above, I agree regarding the problems. > > Generally they are shorter arn't they ? In the ones I can think of where > they are long eg Togas the men in question didn't do manual work. Shorts or > kilt length/fullness skirt arn't so different, it is the long skirts / > corsets etc I'm thinking of oh yes & heels these days makes you helpless Actually, when you look at the skirt lengths of working women in my area of research you'd be surprised how SHORT they are. Mid calf most of them, at least above ankle the rest. Flat sturdy shoes and bodices that may be a bit stiffened, and sleeves that can be untied and taken off when working. You are absolutely right about skirt lengths though, the peplos gown for early Anglo-saxon drives me mad! Can't walk in it. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 14:30:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03448 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:30:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IIW3Y10787; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IIW1N19385; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IIVTN19273 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:31:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28465 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:33:51 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020818180650.00711fa0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:33:51 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Ron Carnegie wrote: > I am not aware of such a story here in Virginia, but as retold > here, it is similiar to Burgess Vs. Maryland about ten years ago. > This case envolved a women portraying a man in a ACW unit. Park > employees (I think it may have been Sharpsburg) caught a female > desguised as a soldier, and who had been passing successfully untill > she used the facilities. The State of Maryland does not allow cross > dressing for it's employees and at least at the time did not allow it > of re-enactors. The women was expelled from the event. > > Later she took this matter to court and won her case, using > similiar arguements as you gave above. That would have been it, then. Our papers in Northern Virginia covered Maryland as well. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 14:40:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03477 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:40:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IIg4Y11312; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IIg2N21897; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IIfWN21729 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-2205.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.8.157] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17gUzS-0003tn-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:41:30 +0100 Message-ID: <002e01c246e9$473e8880$9d0886d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <047101c246bc$80ccda20$a26f4ed5@pavilion> <000d01c246c7$9273e420$322a86d9@oemcomputer> <056c01c246e0$b7c11c20$a26f4ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:58:07 +0100 Status: RO Mel wrote > Don't get me wrong I am not saying the men who fought for what they believed > was a just cause we doing a wromng thing, I think with their background , > both culturally & with the knowledge they had there was little choice for > them It really depends what period you're talking about and which particular conflict, because those who chose to fight in the Thirty Years War, might not fit into that category. But women had a different experiance and I don't believe they would > have rished intoit, most accounts suggest dire need, or similar forces at > work, eg some of the most famous ladys in such situations were leading for > their sons, husbands and often were past child bearing or did not have > children eg no women with small dependant children. This harks back to the > fact we are the female of the species and evolution has led us to a path of > best survival of our genes, this does not include reckless dying, but > presevation of our genes in ourselves & offpring we have far more > (biologically) invested in each child than a man. This is echoed in > behaviour of other primates to some extent too. > Yep, I'd agree with the female bit (see my posting on x-dressing) - especially as a mum and an archaeologist. Confusion reigneth, cos I don't think I said anything about women fighting or not fighting :-) Apologies if that came across in the wrong way, but all I was doing, was commenting on your bit about cannon fodder and men! Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Sent: 18 August 2002 18:57 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers > >So many times throughout history in this country (UK) men did not go > willingly, as we know - rather, they were "obliged", or rather they had to > go as part of the manorial or civic obligation. > > That was my point, as women were not obliged why pretend to be men to > become obliged ? > > >However, I feel we > shouldn't necessarily look at this particular issue with a 21st C mindset. > > Don't get me wrong I am not saying the men who fought for what they believed > was a just cause we doing a wromng thing, I think with their background , > both culturally & with the knowledge they had there was little choice for > them But women had a different experiance and I don't believe they would > have rished intoit, most accounts suggest dire need, or similar forces at > work, eg some of the most famous ladys in such situations were leading for > their sons, husbands and often were past child bearing or did not have > children eg no women with small dependant children. This harks back to the > fact we are the female of the species and evolution has led us to a path of > best survival of our genes, this does not include reckless dying, but > presevation of our genes in ourselves & offpring we have far more > (biologically) invested in each child than a man. This is echoed in > behaviour of other primates to some extent too. > > Mel > > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received > it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose > the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of > this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the > Company, unless specifically stated. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 15:11:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03681 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:11:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IJD3Y12919; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IJD1N29201; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IJCgN29124 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.152] (as3-4-166.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.152]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7IJCex13813 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002601c24676$eae49790$3fceadcb@michaela> References: <001201c244ca$f7daf640$2f29fea9@pacbell.net> <002601c24676$eae49790$3fceadcb@michaela> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:11:35 -0700 Status: RO At 5:20 PM +1200 8/18/02, michaela wrote: > > Don't let anybody tell you otherwise - determined women have almost always >> been able to go to war. The most recent one I am aware of (in disguise) >was >> Frauline Eberhardt. (think I've remembered the name correctly) Rose to >the >> rank of Sgt. Major in the French Foreign Legion, and her gender was not >> discovered until she was killed in battle. > >And there are a numberof examples like that in Uppity Women of the >Renaissance. And there was no single reason for the women to do so either, >some wanted to jointheir husbands, some seem to have been transgender in >that it was the male life.. > >I'm sure they could be studied more in depth than in the book too:) See, for example: Dekker, Rudolf M. et al. 1997. Tradition of Female Transvestism in Early Modern Europe. St. Martin's Press, Inc., New York. ISBN 0-333-17334-2 which focuses primarily on legal records of women passing as men in both military and civilian contexts Dugaw, Dianne. 1996. Warrior Women and Popular Balladry 1650-1850. Univ. of Chicago Press, Chicago. ISBN 0-226-16916-2 which focuses on the motif of passing women as soldiers and sailors, specifically in the context of balladry (The "uppity women" series, while amusing, is extremely unreliable for actual historic details, although it can provide leads to real stories which are often as interesting or even more so than Vicky Leon's humorously sensationalized versions.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 15:11:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03688 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:11:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IJDeY12953; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IJDdN29344; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:13:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IJCiN29136 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:12:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.152] (as3-4-166.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.152]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7IJCgx13829 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020818112628.90015.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020818112628.90015.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:24:38 -0700 Status: RO At 12:26 PM +0100 8/18/02, Debbie Lough wrote: > Speaking as someone who is part of an English Civil >War regiment which has exactly 4 women who don't cross >dress, I always feel a bit left out, and as though I >don't matter, as though I'm somehow not worth as much >because I don't go on the battlefield. Hmm, but is that a problem with cross-dressing women or a problem with an organization that gives the appearance of only valuing battlefield activities? I confess that I often get discouraged at the proportion of highly focused historic groups that seem to be 95% battlefield and 5% "all that other stuff". I have to wonder whether the significant numbers of women who want to play male parts might not be a predictable consequence of organizations that treat their non-military members as if they're "somehow not worth as much". 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To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:33:40 EDT Status: RO Well, Dianne and Heather----thanks sooo much for suggesting cheeptrims.com!!!! ---just spent a couple of hours perusing their site. Am now about 140$ poorer---but found stuff I'd been looking for for AGES!! But, alas! also now have a new 'wish-list'!!! And here, I just wanted to SAVE $$ not find new ways to spend it(wry grin). Albra/Kathryn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 15:42:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03852 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:42:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IJiTY14294; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:44:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IJiJN07018; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IJgrN06663 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:42:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.152] (as3-4-166.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.152]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7IJgmx06759 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020818161727.99751.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020818161727.99751.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:27:35 -0700 Status: RO At 5:17 PM +0100 8/18/02, N Kipar wrote: >I just wanted to say that I went into a pet shop and bought a spray that's use >for birds to get rid of feather mites and lice. I don't know if I >have mites on >my feathers, but at least on the hat that I had made in 1998, there was >something strange happening: over the winter the white ostriches got 'gnawed >upon' at least this is what it looked like. I am trying to spray the hat and >the loose feathers that I have in regular intervals and will see if anything >happens over the winter to my feathers. I will let you know if the >simple spray >method works. It hadn't even occurred to me that there might be a commercial product for this -- it's good to know about. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 16:15:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04004 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:15:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IKH2Y15835; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IKH0E14659; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IKGHN14510 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:16:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-124-38.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.124.38]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW68755; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:12:34 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <05fb01c246f3$f2976300$a26f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20020818182818.33067.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:15:06 +0100 Status: RO >Actually, that goes the other way round too, some chaps wanted to do things in the chosen period which just weren't appropriate for their gender. I have to confess I've not seen many men begging to look after the kids ;) But seriously like what ? > Fortunately though, if a woman wanted to do wood chopping and general camp tasks she can, there are many visual bits of women doing all sorts in camp life Most of these tasks and more were probable common for common women. There are several restrictions on women, but I tend to think if the re-enactment was carried through correctly then there would be as many if not more on men. EG how about taking on board that a knight should earn his title & must be able to provide certain goods eg horses etc and Nob own land & are high born (I can't remember all the needs of s knight as I'm not that interested) but I'm willing to bet few playing knight do forfil those needs. Then again if they do they also have obligations perhaps those should be met ? ;) As it is generally men play who they want to, the restriction being what kit they can gather if you applied the same class roles as they are keen to apply gender roles the situation would I think differ & they might object more (or am I being too provocative ?) >Fortunately I guess I have no interest in figthing or getting dirty. :-))) Makes it less of a winge factor for me. I always end up getting dirty as I'm too used to being active to sit & wait for the less muscular to fetch water or wood. I also prefer my own period specific cooking (or as near as I can get) I'm also used to skinning & gutting which leaves me with most messy tasks !! Oh and the kids are grubby too....... As for fighting re-enactment fighting generally dosen't appeal as I am more interested in techniques & finess than proving I'm vicious (not that I'm not vicious !!) So now it is not a problem in re-enacting for me as I don't do much re-enactment fighting, but I defend the right of any woman to do so on the grounds we live in the 21st C not on the grounds that there is a historical precident >They certainly were not undervalued in Anglo-Saxon society but then you know that. Indeed , but this is only just really seeping through to popular history >I think the problem in re-enactment is that all of the above just isn't as 'showy' and instantaneously 'TV-like' and 'impressive' as a battle. 'whoom bang splash splatter scream flash stab stab' and whoopiedoo it looks just like on TV but in real time. To draw the crowd in I'd agree > While standing at a living history site and chatting to someone who sews or cooks, or something like that requires BRAINS and interest by that member of the public. It's not just passively digesting and 'being entertained' it is being active and seeking communication Agreed but once you get folks there that is often the thing that has most interest. I've had more crowds than I can cope with on interactive projects such as bread making, basket weaving etc. >. . I bet there are a lot more people out there like that. Agreed, which is where kids in re-enacting are great there isn't such a barrier to asking a kid. But this is why I like to get people doing not just watching, it draws the,m into your world & out of theirs. >Actually, when you look at the skirt lengths of working women in my area of research you'd be surprised how SHORT they are. Mid calf most of them, at least above ankle the rest. Flat sturdy shoes and bodices that may be a bit stiffened, and sleeves that can be untied and taken off when working. Oh yes you see that in most working costumes, but still not as short as say a kilt Or those skirts the Roman Soldiers wore >You are absolutely right about skirt lengths though, the peplos gown for early Anglo-saxon drives me mad! Can't walk in it. But there is no proof it was that length. I have mine much wider now so it isn't a problem walking, and often hitch it up to mid calf if I'm active. Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 16:20:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04034 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:20:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IKM2Y16031; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IKM1E16074; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IKLqE16016 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:21:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-124-38.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.124.38]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW69163; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:21:41 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <061601c246f5$37f17ca0$a26f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <047101c246bc$80ccda20$a26f4ed5@pavilion> <000d01c246c7$9273e420$322a86d9@oemcomputer> <056c01c246e0$b7c11c20$a26f4ed5@pavilion> <002e01c246e9$473e8880$9d0886d9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:24:12 +0100 Status: RO >It really depends what period you're talking about and which particular conflict, because those who chose to fight in the Thirty Years War, might not fit into that category. No it is practically impossible to generalise for ever war in ever period. However even there I would argue that it was culturally acceptable to behave in a more mercenary way than it would be for women then or most people now (there are still some who find it acceptable obviously !) >Yep, I'd agree with the female bit (see my posting on x-dressing) - especially as a mum and an archaeologist. Confusion reigneth, cos I don't think I said anything about women fighting or not fighting :-) Apologies if that came across in the wrong way, but all I was doing, was commenting on your bit about cannon fodder and men! I understand but my bit about cannon fodder related to why I believe the majority of women didn't choose to fight & still don't (in a situation where death is the price for war) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 16:51:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04342 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:51:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IKr3Y17373; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IKr1E23745; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IKqoE23698 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1962.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.23.170] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17gX2X-0002jU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:52:49 +0100 Message-ID: <002001c246fb$9f1b5760$aa1786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <047101c246bc$80ccda20$a26f4ed5@pavilion> <000d01c246c7$9273e420$322a86d9@oemcomputer> <056c01c246e0$b7c11c20$a26f4ed5@pavilion> <002e01c246e9$473e8880$9d0886d9@oemcomputer> <061601c246f5$37f17ca0$a26f4ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:09:21 +0100 Status: RO Mel, You've got me (and my husband) seriously confused here :-) I wonder if you could kindly elaborate for us? "No it is practically impossible to generalise for ever war in ever period." Are you saying that you agreed, or disagreed with my comment? "I understand but my bit about cannon fodder related to why I believe the > majority of women didn't choose to fight & still don't (in a situation where > death is the price for war)" Sorry, but confusion again, I thought your initial cannon-fodder comment related to *men* and war, (you didn't specify gender) which is why I said what I said! I think I'll leave it at that, don't you? Life's confusing enough ;-) Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Sent: 18 August 2002 21:24 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers > >It really depends what period you're talking about and which particular > conflict, because those who chose to fight in the Thirty Years War, might > not fit into that category. > > No it is practically impossible to generalise for ever war in ever period. > However even there I would argue that it was culturally acceptable to behave > in a more mercenary way than it would be for women then or most people now > (there are still some who find it acceptable obviously !) > > > >Yep, I'd agree with the female bit (see my posting on x-dressing) - > especially as a mum and an archaeologist. Confusion reigneth, cos I don't > think I said anything about women fighting or not fighting :-) Apologies > if that came across in the wrong way, but all I was doing, was commenting on > your bit about cannon fodder and men! > > I understand but my bit about cannon fodder related to why I believe the > majority of women didn't choose to fight & still don't (in a situation where > death is the price for war) > > Mel > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received > it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose > the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of > this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the > Company, unless specifically stated. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 16:53:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04374 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:53:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IKu1Y17611; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IKu1E24570; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IKtoE24526 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:55:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2782099B for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D20220996 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <057801c246f9$885a8570$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020818161727.99751.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:55:06 -0400 Status: RO Yeah, just don't use it on a living bird and wear a mask when you spray it. Nasty stuff. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Rose Jones" To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice > At 5:17 PM +0100 8/18/02, N Kipar wrote: > >I just wanted to say that I went into a pet shop and bought a spray that's use > >for birds to get rid of feather mites and lice. I don't know if I > >have mites on > >my feathers, but at least on the hat that I had made in 1998, there was > >something strange happening: over the winter the white ostriches got 'gnawed > >upon' at least this is what it looked like. I am trying to spray the hat and > >the loose feathers that I have in regular intervals and will see if anything > >happens over the winter to my feathers. I will let you know if the > >simple spray > >method works. > > It hadn't even occurred to me that there might be a commercial > product for this -- it's good to know about. > > Heather > -- > ***** > Heather Rose Jones > hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu > ***** > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 17:26:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04670 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:26:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7ILS3Y18917; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ILS1E02145; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7ILR6E01928 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020818212706.23125.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:27:06 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <057801c246f9$885a8570$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:27:06 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > Yeah, just don't use it on a living bird and wear a mask when you spray it. > Nasty stuff. > > Dianne Really??? But it's from the pet shop and DESIGNED to be used on a living bird, nor did it recommend wearing a mask. I did it outside of course though, as far away from the spray as possible. I didn't think it was that toxic? Hmm... thanks for the warning! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 17:47:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04844 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:47:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7ILn1Y19855; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ILn0E07154; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ILmhE07080 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A449209B6 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FE1B209B2 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <062501c24700$e029c0c0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020818212706.23125.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:47:40 -0400 Status: RO Birds' respiratory systems are 70 (not a typo) times more sensitive than a human's. Those sprays give off chemicals that are toxic to a bird, where it may not affect you at all. But you have to wonder--if it can injure or even (admittedly rare) KILL a bird, how good can it be for you? Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice > --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > Yeah, just don't use > it on a living bird and wear a mask when you spray it. > > Nasty stuff. > > > > Dianne > > Really??? But it's from the pet shop and DESIGNED to be used on a living bird, > nor did it recommend wearing a mask. I did it outside of course though, as far > away from the spray as possible. I didn't think it was that toxic? Hmm... > thanks for the warning! > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 17:53:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04858 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:53:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7ILt2Y20086; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ILt0E08493; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7ILsxE08478 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:54:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020818215458.70037.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:54:58 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <062501c24700$e029c0c0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:54:58 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > Birds' respiratory systems are 70 (not a typo) times more sensitive than a > human's. Those sprays give off chemicals that are toxic to a bird, where it > may not affect you at all. But you have to wonder--if it can injure or even > (admittedly rare) KILL a bird, how good can it be for you? Yes, but then WHY do they sell it to bird owners and WHY does it say on the package that it IS for life birds? I am confused!!! Nicole - always careful with spray stuff ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 18:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04903 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:05:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IM72Y20716; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IM71E11494; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IM6BE11314 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:06:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD8E209C0 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E317E209B1 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <064901c24703$5ca5d100$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020818215458.70037.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:05:28 -0400 Status: RO Because uneducated people still buy birds and think they *have* to have something to keep away the mites that they are convinced a bird will get otherwise. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice > --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > Birds' respiratory > systems are 70 (not a typo) times more sensitive than a > > human's. Those sprays give off chemicals that are toxic to a bird, where it > > may not affect you at all. But you have to wonder--if it can injure or even > > (admittedly rare) KILL a bird, how good can it be for you? > > Yes, but then WHY do they sell it to bird owners and WHY does it say on the > package that it IS for life birds? I am confused!!! > > Nicole - always careful with spray stuff > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 18:25:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04972 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:25:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IMR1Y21410; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IMR0E16572; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IMQFE16424 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:26:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-124-38.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.124.38]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW74716; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:26:03 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <068f01c24706$902f73c0$a26f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <047101c246bc$80ccda20$a26f4ed5@pavilion> <000d01c246c7$9273e420$322a86d9@oemcomputer> <056c01c246e0$b7c11c20$a26f4ed5@pavilion> <002e01c246e9$473e8880$9d0886d9@oemcomputer> <061601c246f5$37f17ca0$a26f4ed5@pavilion> <002001c246fb$9f1b5760$aa1786d9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:28:22 +0100 Status: RO >You've got me (and my husband) seriously confused here :-) I wonder if you could kindly elaborate for us? Sorry it is getting late here & I'm tired :) > "No it is practically impossible to generalise for ever war in ever period." Are you saying that you agreed, or disagreed with my comment? I'm saying it is impossible to make a generalised statement which will cover every period and every war. Even two wars in the same year can have differing reasons behind them >I think I'll leave it at that, don't you? Life's confusing enough ;-) Probably best as unless I go back over each comment I'm not sure what part you are refering to & it isn't at all costume connected :) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 18:43:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05032 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:42:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IMj2Y22203; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:45:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IMj1E21018; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06bw.bigpond.com (mta06bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.96]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IMiXE20870 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:44:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.75]) by mta06bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H129U000.4H7 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:44:24 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.63 ([203.54.114.63]) by bwmam03.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 20/52187651); 19 Aug 2002 08:44:20 Message-ID: <3D6113C2.DBEF1064@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Man's overcoat Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:50:26 -0700 Status: RO Hi all, wondering if anyone can answer this question. It's not important, just curiosity. I am currently using an overcoat that my husband inherited from his mad old great uncle. It's a marvellous coat. Rather old, and beautifully made. When I was a kid I alway wanted a inside breast pocket like my dad had, and was very grumpy that girls' coats never had them. Now I have a coat with one I always forget it is there because I'm not used to it (also it is more like waist level 'cos I'm short but never mind). Anyway, the question is this: just below said inside breast pocket there is a small button, and about six inches below that another the same size. There similar buttons in similar places on the opposite side. These buttons are too small to be 'spares' for the outer buttons, and there are no apparent button holes for them. Anyone know what these buttons are for? Claire (it's a double breasted coat if that makes any difference) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 18:50:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05053 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:50:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IMq8Y22513; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:52:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IMq1E22736; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g7IMpOa22578 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:51:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Man's overcoat Message-ID: <20020818165124.B8942@net.indra.com> References: <3D6113C2.DBEF1064@bigpond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D6113C2.DBEF1064@bigpond.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:51:24 -0600 Status: RO On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 08:50:26AM -0700, Claire Clarke wrote: >Anyway, the question is this: just below said inside breast pocket >there is a small button, and about six inches below that another the >same size. There similar buttons in similar places on the opposite >side. These buttons are too small to be 'spares' for the outer >buttons, and there are no apparent button holes for them. Anyone know >what these buttons are for? You said the coat is double-breasted - could these inside buttons be the ones used to button the underflap? I have a lot of double-breasted vests and coats, and there's usually one or two buttons inside that get fastened first - they hold the underflap in place so the front looks nice and tidy. Take the underflap, and button it to the inside, then take the overflap and button it outside. Having a set on each side would imply to me that the coat can be buttoned either right-over-left or left-over-right. ...eliz (back from vacation!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 18:50:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05057 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:50:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7IMqCY22528; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:52:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IMqCE22796; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:52:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7IMpuE22713 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:51:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.198.ba1056a (4568) for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:51:46 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <198.ba1056a.2a917f02@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Man's overcoat To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:51:46 EDT Status: RO Forgive me if this seems obvious, but my first thought is that they are reinforcements for the outside buttons. They aren't directly inside of the outside buttons, are they? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 19:21:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05184 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:21:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7INN2Y23878; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7INN0u29939; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7INMRu29829 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:22:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.110.16e2b6a4 (4418) for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:22:19 -0400 (EDT) From: LLWatts@aol.com Message-ID: <110.16e2b6a4.2a91862b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Man's overcoat To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_110.16e2b6a4.2a91862b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:22:19 EDT Status: RO --part1_110.16e2b6a4.2a91862b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Anyway, the question is this: just below said inside > breast pocket > there is a small button, and about six inches below that another the > same size. There > similar buttons in similar places on the opposite side. These buttons > are too small > to be 'spares' for the outer buttons, and there are no apparent button > holes for > them. Anyone know what these buttons are for? Are they sewn directly behind the outer buttons? That's a common way to reinforce buttons on heavy garments like winter coats. Leah --part1_110.16e2b6a4.2a91862b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Anyway, the question is this: just below said inside
> breast pocket
> there is a small button, and about six inches below that another the
> same size. There
> similar buttons in similar places on the opposite side. These buttons
> are too small
> to be 'spares' for the outer buttons, and there are no apparent button
> holes for
> them. Anyone know what these buttons are for?

Are they sewn directly behind the outer buttons?  That's a common way to reinforce buttons on heavy garments like winter coats.

Leah

--part1_110.16e2b6a4.2a91862b_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 20:27:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05445 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:27:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J0T2Y26491; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J0T0u15119; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dc-mx14.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx14.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.24]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J0Sgu15056 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:28:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx14.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 82225333 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:30:20 -0400 Message-ID: <010801c24717$111b0ac0$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] trim ends Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:26:30 -0500 Status: RO Maybe this is a really obvious question, but it's been a nemesis of mine for awhile. How do you keep trim ends from unravelling if they aren't caught in a seam? I'm thinking mostly of piping and gimp type trims which will unravel if you look at them wrong (or if you look at them at all!). Fray check doesn't seem to work really well, and I'm plain out of ideas. ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 20:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05478 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:36:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J0c1Y26807; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J0c0u17330; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J0bWu17202 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 18:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30227 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:39:53 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] trim ends In-Reply-To: <010801c24717$111b0ac0$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:39:53 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 lotsofteapots@charter.net wrote: > Maybe this is a really obvious question, but it's been a nemesis of mine for > awhile. How do you keep trim ends from unravelling if they aren't caught in > a seam? I'm thinking mostly of piping and gimp type trims which will unravel > if you look at them wrong (or if you look at them at all!). Fray check > doesn't seem to work really well, and I'm plain out of ideas. I cut them a little long and fold the ends under, and sew securely. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 22:27:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05860 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:27:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J2T2Y01806; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J2T1u13361; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J2Sgu13273 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:28:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m243.in-tch.com [216.166.191.243]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7J2EO922797 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:14:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D60593C.F7CC836D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] trim ends References: <010801c24717$111b0ac0$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:34:36 -0600 Status: RO Well.... There's a goo related to fraycheck, but stronger. You might try that. It comes in a largish metal tube, kinda like superglue. I found it in the notions section of my local Jo-Ann's, although I haven't actually had time to try it yet. Or, depending on the narrowness of your villainous trim , you might be able to "plunge" the end through a temporary hole in your fabric, and then finish the end on the inside, where it could be hidden by the lining, hem, etc. I've done this quite successfully when couching gold cord around applique. I use a large, blunt needle to open up the weave of the background fabric just a little, plunge the end of the cord through the hole, and tack it down really well on the backside, where it won't show. I usually freycheck it, too. If you don't have the option of hiding your end under a bit of applique, the way I did ;-), you can "hide" it under the trim...kinda like making a complete circle, and then tucking the ends under each other. Does that make any sense? I tried to draw you a picture, but my ascii-art stinks. --sue Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > Maybe this is a really obvious question, but it's been a nemesis of mine for > awhile. How do you keep trim ends from unravelling if they aren't caught in > a seam? I'm thinking mostly of piping and gimp type trims which will unravel > if you look at them wrong (or if you look at them at all!). Fray check > doesn't seem to work really well, and I'm plain out of ideas. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 22:30:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05907 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:30:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J2X1Y02020; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J2X0u14293; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J2WKu14127 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:32:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.251]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020819023215.DZBQ11061.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:32:15 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020818213130.02ec68c0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of fabric not color (was: Linen) In-Reply-To: References: <000701c246ca$8e8c6960$6501a8c0@Home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:33:52 -0500 Status: RO At 01:28 PM 8/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: >On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Saragrace Knauf quoted Ann Rosalind Jones and Peter >Stallybrass in "Renaissance Clothing and the Materials of Memory" as >saying: > > > In fact, despite the fact that the word russet was derived from the > > old French rousset, a diminutive of rous[x], meaning red, the word > > entered English as a marker of class rather than color. Russet > > defined a coarse homespun woolen cloth which was sometimes indeed dyed > > a reddish-brown, but was often dyed gray or another neutral color, > > depending upon the availability and cheapness of the dye. Thus in > > Piers Plowman, Langland writes of Charity as being "as glad of a goune > > of graye russet/As of a tunicle of tarse or of tyre scarlet." > >Close, but as I understand it, not quite on the mark. Christopher Dyer, in >"Standards of Living in the Later Middle Ages," defines russet quite >specifically (and with enough support to make me feel comfortable with the >definition) as *undyed* cloth made of wool from a black sheep. That, of >course, might be any of several shades of greys or browns or other neutral >colors, but the issue of availability and cheapness of dye would not be a >factor in that. So I would be more inclined to read Langland's reference >to "graye russet" as meaning an undyed garment that was naturally grey, >not a garment dyed grey. >I do not know at what point "russet" became used as a color reference for >reddish dyed cloth, or at what point the term might have been applied to >cloth dyed grey or brown rather than being naturally grey or brown wool. >But I would be inclined to think that readings of medieval references to >"russet" as meaning "a cheap homespun wool dyed a neutral color" are >making an unwarranted assumption of the use of dye to achieve the neutral >color. If Jones and Stallybrass have support for their reference to grey >and neutral dyes as cheap, and for russet being a name for cloth dyed this >way, I'd like to know! Otherwise, I think they may have assumed that >references to grey or brown russet cloth must have meant cloth dyed those >colors. Or they may have relied on an earlier reference that made that >assumption. > >It's an easy assumption to make, given the modern understanding of >"russet" as a color word. At Kalamazoo last year, in a session we had on >documentary sources, both Susan Carroll-Clark (on this list) and another >speaker described sources that mentioned garments of russet. One of them >(Susan, was it you or Kristen?) noted that this was among the rare >mentions of color of certain types of garment, in that set of documents -- >but if you know that this was a description of cloth type/quality and not >a specific color, the references would make more sense in context. > >--Robin Robin, at a previous Kalamazoo I've discussed the fact that russet can refer to both colour and textile in the 16th century. And unless it is specified it is almost impossible to tell from written references which it is. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 22:39:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05968 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:39:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J2f1Y02398; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J2f0u16256; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J2eHu16112 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:40:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id UAA11799 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:00:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200208190300.UAA11799@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= wrote: [...] > Nowadays: person in trousers = can be anything for what it's worth. person in > skirts = usually a woman, cut could be ethnic clothing and could be a man in > skirts (certainly in London). > I dressed like a man and even in wigs and everthing, my way of walking, despite > the fact I tried to disguise it, my shapely legs (when wearing breeches) and of > course my voice gave me away straight away. You can learn to walk differently. I have been mistaken for a man in street clothing (and I'm not even 5 feet tall, and far from boyish looking). It helps that I grew up in the country, wearing boots. My mother used to dispair that I'd never learn to walk like a woman should. On the other hand, I've taught drag queens and actors how to walk like a woman. Women walk from the hip, men tend to lead with their shoulders. My real problem until recently was wearing clothing that hid my waist. Now that the prednisone I'm on has made me gain 60 pounds in 6 months, I have a typical male reinactor's physique [grin]. I've sucessfully done the "drag king" thing before, but it does take a lot more work than just putting on men's clothing. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 22:50:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06081 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:50:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J2q2Y02951; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J2q1u19094; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J2pGu18907 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:51:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id UAA11876 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:11:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200208190311.UAA11876@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= [...] > Yeah what I mean was that women told me that they felt they could only fully > participate in a chosen society if they crossdressed and went to fight (or drum > etc.) this is sad, because female roles/portrayals should not be marginalised, > which happens usually though when the group/period/society is set out as > military. Of course, there are other reasons too. Like getting tired of listening to fifers who _can't play their instruments_...[smirk] Though our solution to bad music the last few years has been to stage a medicine show instead. It also means we deal with fewer stitch-counters and nit-pickers, as there aren't _that_ many trained musicians at reinactments. [why yes, I have said, "Give me that thing" to someone who couldn't play Yankee Doodle...everyone has their own breaking point about incompetence or inauthenticity] Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 23:17:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06218 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:17:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J3J2Y04339; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J3J1u26031; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J3IVu25921 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:18:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17gd3m-0005uQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:18:30 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movie for Late-Period Spaniards and Costume Organization: PII Message-ID: <001501c2472d$39c35c00$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D5EC6AD.ABC4999F@in-tch.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:05:07 -0700 Status: RO Very cool. I have a CD called Music for Joan the Mad. Apparently she was quite the connoisseur of music and wrote some of her own. It is very dark music but lovely, with a lot of Moorish influence. **-----Original Message----- **From: h-costume-admin@indra.com **[mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger **Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:57 PM **To: h-costume@indra.com **Subject: [h-cost] Movie for Late-Period Spaniards and Costume ** ** **Oooh, look, everybody! Another yummy-looking costume flick! **Someone was kind enough to post this to one of the **SCA-related lists I'm on. Some of the costumes look very **"Flemish" to me--like the ones you see on women in the **tapestries of the period. --Sue, hoping she can get her hands **on a copy ** ** **"Mad Love" -spanish produced film in limited release august 30th. **Hopefully one of the "art" theatres in the metro area will be showing **it. ** **the premise: ** ** In 1504, the Queen of Spain - Juana de Castilla, who ascends to the **throne when her mother and older brothers die - finds herself slowly **losing her grasp on her sanity as the pressures of her kingdom and **the discovery of her husband's prolific infidelity takes its toll on **her mental health. Her husband takes advantage of this situation and **has his wife declared insane and sent to the Monastery of Las **Huelgas, proclaiming himself the new king. ** **Check out the web site, especially the gallery. ** ** **http://www.sonyclassics.com/madlove/index-withflash.html **_______________________________________________ **h-costume mailing list **h-costume@mail.indra.com **http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 23:23:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06234 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:23:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J3P1Y04705; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J3P0u27651; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J3O3u27391 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17gd98-0003z8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:24:02 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of fabric not color (was: Linen) Organization: PII Message-ID: <001601c2472d$ff140e00$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D5FE3DF.556EDF2@in-tch.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:10:37 -0700 Status: RO Here you go! ISBN 0 521 78102 7 (hardback) ISBN 0 521 78663 0 (paperback) **-----Original Message----- **From: h-costume-admin@indra.com **[mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger **Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 11:14 AM **To: h-costume@indra.com **Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of **fabric not color (was: Linen) ** ** **This sounds really interesting...Could you please share the **ISBN number? --Sue ** **Saragrace knauf wrote: **> ** I am working my way through "Renaissance Clothing **> and the Materials of Memory" by Ann Rosalind Jones and Peter **> Stallybrass. **_______________________________________________ **h-costume mailing list **h-costume@mail.indra.com **http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 23:24:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06242 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:24:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J3O1Y04642; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J3O1u27371; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J3Npu27319 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:23:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.206.136.144] (account axejudge@accessus.net HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.6) with ESMTP id 104397413 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:23:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3D6064E1.1040206@accessus.net> From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020318 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] 18th century shoes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: axejudge@accessus.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:24:17 -0500 Status: RO Remember when I wrote a few months ago about a friend of mine who wanted suggestions about 18th century men's patterns? His outfit is almost done now, and he asked me to ask all the learned people here about where he might find appropriate shoes, either already passable or easily adaptable. He is not interested in making them from "scratch". Thanks for any help. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 23:32:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06270 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:32:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J3Y2Y05175; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J3Y1u29982; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J3XMu29846 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:33:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17gdI9-00068g-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:33:21 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of fabric not color (was: Linen) Organization: PII Message-ID: <001701c2472f$4b244b60$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020818213130.02ec68c0@mail.attbi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:19:55 -0700 Status: RO **Robin, at a previous Kalamazoo I've discussed the fact that **russet can **refer to both colour and textile in the 16th century. And **unless it is **specified it is almost impossible to tell from written **references which it is. ** **Cheers, **Danielle Yes, didn't mean to imply that it was solely a reference to textile type. Russet was also used as a description for color from what I have read. The book really takes this (and other) discussions to almost painful length and you really have to read the whole thing to get an a picture of the full background surrounding the quote. The chapter really is concerning the tale, and imagery surrounding several paintings, of the Griselda story (did that sentence make any sense?). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 23:38:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06292 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:38:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J3e2Y05478; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J3e1u01807; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J3dgu01625 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:39:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id VAA12089 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:00:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200208190400.VAA12089@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] exceptions to rules Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Another recently found one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/2191129.stm Summary: a 700 year old burial ground attached to a priory has both men and women buried in it, even though most priories were not mixed sex. The archeologists are still digging and scratching their heads over what they've found so far. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 23:38:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06296 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:38:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J3f1Y05572; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J3f0u02130; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J3eBu01860 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17gdOj-0005Kq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:40:09 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Algerian suit - soutache in large quantities? Organization: PII Message-ID: <001801c24730$3db26920$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200208181525.g7IFPc82099467@jabberwock.wonderland.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:26:41 -0700 Status: RO You know, we have a fabric (upholstery) store here in Phoenix that sells wholesale to the public. They have sold wholesale to me just because I told them I did costuming. I wonder if you could find what you want there? I would certainly be willing to act as a go between...for that much someone ought to be willing to sell that much to you wholesale. Usually even with a wholesale license there is an issue of quantity. I need to go see this pattern, my goodness that is a lot of trim. Contact me offline if I can be of help. Saragrace **-----Original Message----- **From: h-costume-admin@indra.com **[mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Heather Meadows **Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:26 AM **To: h-costume@indra.com **Subject: Re: [h-cost] Algerian suit - soutache in large quantities? ** ** **try cheeptrims.com ** ** **> **> I just got my Folkwear Algerian suit pattern in the mail **today. Woo **> hoo!, **> and thanx Sue Clemenger. **> **> The bad news is the jacket takes 135 yards of soutache, the vest 40 **> yards, **> and the trousers 50 yards, for the Authentic Detailing **version. There must **> be a source for cones or spools of soutache, because I have **seen them, **> mostly used up, at flea markets and thrift stores. Where **does someone get **> soutache in bulk, without a resale number? Suddenly I need **225 yards of it. **> **> Kayta **> **> //// \\\ **> ////-@@\\\ **> (((( 7 ))) **> ((( <> )))) **> ) (((((( **> /----\ /---\)) **> **> _______________________________________________ **> h-costume mailing list **> h-costume@mail.indra.com **> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume **> ** **_______________________________________________ **h-costume mailing list **h-costume@mail.indra.com **http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 18 23:40:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06306 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:40:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J3gGY05687; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:42:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J3gGu02551; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:42:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J3fju02416 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id VAA12097 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:02:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200208190402.VAA12097@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] and for the napoleonic reinactors Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO .. and it sounds like we can't be sure who's buried in Napoleon's tomb for the time being (that's an awkward sentence!): http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,775975,00.html [these URLs taken from Explorator, an archeology newsletter] --Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 00:23:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06521 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J4P2Y07937; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J4P0u12922; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J4Oiu12856 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:24:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31398 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:27:08 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of fabric not color (was: Linen) In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020818213130.02ec68c0@mail.attbi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:27:08 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO I wrote about "russet" being a medieval term for undyed wool from a black sheep -- that is, naturally grey or brown -- rather than a reference to dyed fabric. This was in response to a book quote that said a reference in Piers Plowman to a garment of "graye russet" would refer to fabric that was "dyed gray or another neutral color." In my meanderings, I added: > > At Kalamazoo last year, in a session we had on documentary sources, > > both Susan Carroll-Clark (on this list) and another speaker described > > sources that mentioned garments of russet. One of them (Susan, was it > > you or Kristen?) noted that this was among the rare mentions of color > > of certain types of garment, in that set of documents -- but if you > > know that this was a description of cloth type/quality and not a > > specific color, the references would make more sense in context. Danielle added: > Robin, at a previous Kalamazoo I've discussed the fact that russet can > refer to both colour and textile in the 16th century. And unless it > is specified it is almost impossible to tell from written references > which it is. Yes, by the 16th c., the word is all over the place, with multiple meanings, and a real headache. Of course, the difference between 16th century textile economics (and modern English) and medieval textile economics (and Middle English) is huge. *When* the word started being used more broadly is what I wasn't sure of when I wrote: > > I do not know at what point "russet" became used as a color reference > > for reddish dyed cloth, or at what point the term might have been > > applied to cloth dyed grey or brown rather than being naturally grey > > or brown wool. The definition I originally cited (from Dyer) about russet as an undyed cloth type referred to 12th-14th centuries. Piers Plowman, the work Jones and Stallybrass cited, was written in 1362. Susan's talk dealt with 13th century documents, and Kristen worked on 14th and early 15th century. So rather than continue to speculate, I just got off my tush and pulled out the Oxford English Dictionary. It has a very long set of entries for "russet," so I hope people will forgive me for not typing it all out -- I can't type and hold the magnifying glass over the text at the same time ;-) In brief, though, it presents the meaning of russet as a "coarse homespun woolen cloth of a reddish-brown, grey, or neutral color" as the earliest definition, with the earliest reference in their sample being about 1275. The first reference the OED gives to russet as a color name in noun form is 1532, but it first appears as an adjective for a color (in reference to many things, not just cloth) in the early 1400s, though one of the references listed in this section, in 1562, seems to be equivalent to "grey" rather than reddish-brown. (It's no leap to conclude the color name derived from the cloth type, I think.) By the late 1500s, there's a huge variety of references -- noun, adjective, even verb (to make something a russet color), and some of them with a meaning of "rustic, homely, simple" in usages completely unrelated to clothing -- in this case, a usage apparently derived from the type of people who wore "russet" as a cloth type. Similarly, there are specific entries for the noun terms "russet coat" (a peasant) by 1568 and "russet gown" (a country girl) in 1703. Meanwhile, though, the type-of-fabric meaning with no clear color implication survives well into the 1600s, maybe later. Later still the word appears in terms for varieties of apples and pears, species of birds, etc., and by then it's clearly a color name. So, from what I read here, I'd conclude that references after about 1400 should be viewed with the possibility that they might imply a color as well as type of cloth, or even a color *instead* of a specific type of cloth. There's "russet frese" in 1420, and the first citation for noun use as a color name in 1532 reads "Veluette, satten, and damaske, being of the colours of blacke, tawny, or russet," so it's clearly not a fabric type there (and not referring to cheap woolen fabrics!) -- though it clearly *is* used in the older sense in other quotes well past that point. This, of course, makes Danielle's job harder, because that means the meanings overlap right in her specialty period ;-) All this, though, is aside from my original quibble with the Jones/Stallybrass quote, which correctly identified russet as a type of cloth that might be any of a variety of greys or browns, but assumed that it was *dyed* to those colors. In its earliest definition of russet as a coarse wool "of reddish-brown, grey, or neutral color," the OED doesn't refer to *how* the cloth got that color, so I bet many people (particularly those who don't know about the connection to black sheep, or aren't aware that these are the colors of black-sheep wool) would read that definition and assume the cloth was dyed that way, maybe because earthy dull dyes were cheap. And I could see Jones/Stallybrass either making that assumption or using a source that did so. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 00:30:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06561 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:30:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J4W2Y08321; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J4W1u14577; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J4Viu14514 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7J4RIiO022469 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:27:19 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] exceptions to rules Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200208190400.VAA12089@gw.retro.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:38:14 -0700 Status: RO They seem to be making an awful lot of surmises from the bones of only 4 individuals, 3 male and 1 female! Unless they get a great deal more material to work with I think they are talking through their hats. The single female could simply be a transient who died at the priory door one winter night and was buried out of pity and piety, not a member of the group! Regina Romsey -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Lee Thompson-Herbert Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 9:00 PM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] exceptions to rules Another recently found one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/2191129.stm Summary: a 700 year old burial ground attached to a priory has both men and women buried in it, even though most priories were not mixed sex. The archeologists are still digging and scratching their heads over what they've found so far. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 02:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13789 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:12:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J6E1Y12406; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J6E0u06184; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J6Dpu06149 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:13:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.43.102885c9 (3940) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:13:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <43.102885c9.2a91e697@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_43.102885c9.2a91e697_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:13:43 EDT Status: RO --part1_43.102885c9.2a91e697_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, there was a law passed during the middle ages saying it was against the law for Women to dress as Men. They wouldn't have made a law if there wasn't a reason too. That being said, I find it so funny that this would come up. My boyfriend and I have been have numerous "discussions" about whether I could actually pass for being a boy. He is somewhat active with a black powder group that really has no place for women, unless they want to dress up like men. The problem (it's not like I don't wear pants, in fact, I used to be quite a tom-boy) is that I am short and curvy. Since I hit puberty many years ago, I haven't been able to pass for a boy, not even when I was anorexic. All this being said, do any of you lady's have a similar problem? If so, what do you do about it? Kit --part1_43.102885c9.2a91e697_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, there was a law passed during the middle ages saying it was against the law for Women to dress as Men.  They wouldn't have made a law if there wasn't a reason too.

That being said, I find it so funny that this would come up.  My boyfriend and I have been have numerous "discussions" about whether I could actually pass for being a boy.  He is somewhat active with a black powder group that really has no place for women, unless they want to dress up like men.  The problem (it's not like I don't wear pants, in fact, I used to be quite a tom-boy) is that I am short and curvy.  Since I hit puberty many years ago, I haven't been able to pass for a boy, not even when I was anorexic.  All this being said, do any of you lady's have a similar problem?  If so, what do you do about it?

Kit
--part1_43.102885c9.2a91e697_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 02:14:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15004 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:14:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J6G1Y12484; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J6G0u06516; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J6Fgu06466 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-102-179.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.102.179]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW81535; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:15:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <003b01c24748$219f4a60$b3664ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3D6064E1.1040206@accessus.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:17:43 +0100 Status: RO My site www.turnshoes.co.uk has latchet shoes, that is about as near as we get to 18th C, mainly it is dark age & medieval designs But we are looking to make some new designs to filling in the gaps, so do ask your friend to contact us we will help if we can Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 02:15:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15633 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:15:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J6H2Y12568; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J6H1u06778; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J6GVu06686 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:16:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.43.102885ca (3940) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:16:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <43.102885ca.2a91e738@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_43.102885ca.2a91e738_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:16:24 EDT Status: RO --part1_43.102885ca.2a91e738_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/18/2002 1:21:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes: > No, there were not hundreds of women crossdressing in history on the > battlefield, yes there are nowadays hundreds of women crossdressing on > re-enactment battlefields, my point is that the women in history were rare > and > didn't come in the dozens let alone hundreds, and that the percentage > nowadays > doesn't reflect that. Drives me mad when the 15th woman tells me in one > regiment 'oh yes but there were crossdressing women in history'' yes there > were, but geeez, not as many as nowadays in re-enactment. > That's my pet hate, otherwise, everyone can do what makes 'em happy. > Nicole, Please note, the following question is PURE curiosity, I am not trying to cause an argument, I am genuinely curious... Do you think the number of women cross-dressing in a reenactment should be limited? If so, how would you recommend doing it? Kit --part1_43.102885ca.2a91e738_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/18/2002 1:21:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes:


No, there were not hundreds of women crossdressing in history on the
battlefield, yes there are nowadays hundreds of women crossdressing on
re-enactment battlefields, my point is that the women in history were rare and
didn't come in the dozens let alone hundreds, and that the percentage nowadays
doesn't reflect that. Drives me mad when the 15th woman tells me in one
regiment 'oh yes but there were crossdressing women in history'' yes there
were, but geeez, not as many as nowadays in re-enactment.
That's my pet hate, otherwise, everyone can do what makes 'em happy.


Nicole,

Please note, the following question is PURE curiosity, I am not trying to cause an argument, I am genuinely curious...  Do you think the number of women cross-dressing in a reenactment should be limited?  If so, how would you recommend doing it?

Kit
--part1_43.102885ca.2a91e738_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 02:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19137 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:21:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J6N1Y12800; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J6N1u07912; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J6Mku07851 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:22:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-102-179.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.102.179]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW81617; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:22:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <005101c24749$1e865520$b3664ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <43.102885c9.2a91e697@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:24:47 +0100 Status: RO >Well, there was a law passed during the middle ages saying it was against the law for Women to dress as Men. They wouldn't have made a law if there wasn't a reason too. Are you able to give a full citation for this law ? I've heard it banded about a bit but no citation. One law in one areas might prove something for that time & place but should be warily viewed for all places & all the medieval period. Thanks Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 02:27:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22782 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:27:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J6T1Y13020; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J6T0u09040; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J6Scu08965 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:28:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-102-179.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.102.179]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW81701; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:28:28 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <005601c24749$f0aab820$b3664ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of fabric not color(was: Linen) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:30:40 +0100 Status: RO >so I bet many people (particularly those who don't know about the connection to black sheep, or aren't aware that these are the colors of black-sheep wool) would read that definition and assume the cloth was dyed that way, maybe because earthy dull dyes were cheap. Just to add to Robins piece archaological finds and sheep colour trends support the use of naturally pigmented sheep, for a considerable period after white genotypes were isolated. White being better for dyeing all but very dark colours. Interestingly my latest work on dyes & fleeces, suggests that the dye ability of fleece types once the white genotype was established did not improve. To me it is of interest that naturally pigmented sheep are on the increase again in the fields of England as wool is an almost unsellable commodity !! Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 02:41:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA31643 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:41:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J6h2Y13497; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J6h0u12066; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J6ghu12003 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.ba.2aa48e55 (4214) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:42:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] trim ends To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:42:36 EDT Status: RO "Or, depending on the narrowness of your villainous trim , you might be able to "plunge" the end through a temporary hole in your fabric, and then finish the end on the inside, where it could be hidden by the lining, hem, etc." This is the technique that was recommended in a "Sew News" feature several years ago. You run the ends through your fabric to the wrong side. If the trim is a wider, more elaborate one, you can separate the elements and run them through to the wrong side individually. I thought it sounded very good, but I haven't actually tried it yet--One of these days, I'm going to try it on a wearable art jacket. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 03:23:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13539 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:23:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J7P2Y14968; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J7P0u20145; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7J7Onu20081 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:24:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819072448.59154.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:24:48 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <43.102885ca.2a91e738@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:24:48 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kitsune242@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/18/2002 1:21:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Please note, the following question is PURE curiosity, I am not trying to > cause an argument, I am genuinely curious... Do you think the number of > women cross-dressing in a reenactment should be limited? If so, how would > you recommend doing it? No Kit, I don't say nor think that it should, because that would be cutting down the freedom of choice. I strongly believe that one cannot go into an existing situation i.e. women in a particular society crossdressing as men for years, and then suddenly say 'from now on you are not allowed anymore', that's bad, very bad, and I would go mad about taht too. I do believe though that it is perfectly fine to START a group and from the start make the rules the way the starter prefers them i.e. our group, where I say no I don't wnat any crossdressing UNLESS the woman in question really really manages to fool even me. Furthermore I am utterly against trying to impose a 'law' or rules from a centrally organised body, something which would have to be the case if one tried to limit the number of crossdressing women, the thought is quite abhorrent, because that would cut down on personal freedom. I strongly believe that everyone should choose what they want to, and that means that I choose bnot to have crossdressing in my group, and someone else chooses to ave crossdressing in their group. Then the person who would like to enter re-enactment chooses which group they want and if they want to crossdress or not, and thus choose depending on the crossdressing availability. It's all about freedom in the end, and we should be happy I believe that we have that freedom, and that means freedom on all sides, I may not like something, but somebody else may. That's my opinion. *S* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 03:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04096 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:36:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J7c2Y15449; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J7c1u22611; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7J7bXu22526 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819073732.73218.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:37:32 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D6064E1.1040206@accessus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:37:32 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Karen Heim wrote: > Remember when I wrote a few months ago about a friend of mine who wanted > suggestions about 18th century men's patterns? His outfit is almost > done now, and he asked me to ask all the learned people here about where > he might find appropriate shoes, either already passable or easily > adaptable. He is not interested in making them from "scratch". As always I recommend Sarah Juniper, not because I am affiliated because I am really not, but because I love her shoes: http://www.sarahjuniper.co.uk/ Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 03:41:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15529 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:41:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J7h1Y15611; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J7h0u23541; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7J7ghu23487 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819074242.73511.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:42:42 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] trim ends To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <010801c24717$111b0ac0$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:42:42 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- lotsofteapots@charter.net wrote: > Maybe this is a really obvious question, but it's been a nemesis of mine for > awhile. How do you keep trim ends from unravelling if they aren't caught in > a seam? I'm thinking mostly of piping and gimp type trims which will unravel > if you look at them wrong (or if you look at them at all!). Fray check > doesn't seem to work really well, and I'm plain out of ideas. I agree with Sue, I used Fraycheck well, actually it wasn't the original fraycheck, but some Australian stuff) on the cut ends. It works well, I did this on all the silver lacing on ben's military coat, without fraycheck it would have ravelled to eternity 'just looking at it' *G* Oh, I remember, the Australian stuff was called Fraystoppa I think and came in a white biggish bottle with pink label. It is gooier/thicker than Fraycheck, I agree fraycheck is wonderful for fabric edges but too liquid for the trim ends. I hope you can find it where you are! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 03:44:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21315 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:44:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J7k1Y15735; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J7k0u24166; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J7jru24136 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:45:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A2F3101601CC; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:49:07 -0500 Message-ID: <004a01c24754$69e167c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] No fair!!!!!!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:45:39 -0400 Status: RO You all are talking about colors while I am busy getting the last details of my gown finished for the Red Cross Ball that is Monday night. I am not checking email... but when I saw the subject colors I had to look! Now keep the thread going until I come back Tuesday. Briefly, the first ball Saturday night was wonderful. I had a long talk with the fashion designer David Emanuel. I meet a couple of fashion designers from Palm Beach, Florida. I spent a long time chatting with some people from the local television stations. I have lots of stories to tell... some are really funny. And we took lots of photos. I saw a lot of vintage looking gowns, and plenty of vintage looking jewelry. Some very exciting news for my son Patrick (my theater tech, lighting and sound guy). I know the owners of the production company who is staging the Balls. I talked with them Saturday night and asked about an internship for Patrick. He is going into 11th grade. They asked for me to bring him to the mansion (2nd ball site) Sunday night for an interview. They hired him on the spot!!!!! So he is working, setting up the Ball!!!!! They are also hiring him to work on other productions and some concerts that are coming to town. WOW!!! My baby's big break! He doesn't have to bag groceries this year. I am off to go put the final touches on my gown for tonight. I finally finished the 24 ft. hem! I thought I was going to start singing hymns for myself! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 03:45:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24889 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:45:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J7m1Y15866; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J7m0u24635; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7J7l1u24414 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819074701.60836.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:47:01 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Fray Stoppa Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:47:01 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Just quickly, I found it on the net: http://www.helmar.com.au/images/custom/products/000000007first.jpg Made by Helmar, Australian company. I quickly found it on a UK site: http://www.bredons.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Craft__55.html I am sure you can also get it in the US? It's great for trims! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 04:03:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32008 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:03:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J852Y17096; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J851u27935; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7J84Vu27818 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819080431.19342.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:04:31 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Old sewing machines to charity? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:04:31 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I suddenly remembered that I heard 'somewhere' that there are charities collecting old sewing machines that are specifically NOT dependant on electricity to fix them or just get them back into great shape and ship them to third world countries. Is that true? We have one at home, in its box and everything, I really don't want to throw it away, it would be a shame. Anyone having any ideas or heard of this? Thanks Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 04:23:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32081 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J8P2Y17732; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J8P1u01630; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7J8OYu01534 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819082433.76670.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:24:33 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <05fb01c246f3$f2976300$a26f4ed5@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:24:33 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Melanie Wilson wrote: > >Actually, that goes the other way round too, some chaps wanted to do things > in > the chosen period which just weren't appropriate for their gender. > > I have to confess I've not seen many men begging to look after the kids ;) > > But seriously like what ? Embroidery most of all, both Anglo-Saxon and 17th. Sewing for Anglo-Saxon too. Leatherwork and weaving are fine but in regard to words and gender inflexions we cannot think of male ones for sewing clothing and embroidering in O.E. > Agreed but once you get folks there that is often the thing that has most > interest. I've had more crowds than I can cope with on interactive projects > such as bread making, basket weaving etc. That's what I tried to say, yes. > Oh yes you see that in most working costumes, but still not as short as say > a kilt Or those skirts the Roman Soldiers wore What about Egyptian or Arab traditional clothing? As far as I recall the men wear long 'dresses' as well. > But there is no proof it was that length. I have mine much wider now so it > isn't a problem walking, and often hitch it up to mid calf if I'm active. Mine is wide too, I hike mine up too, and I still can't walk. I hate skirts, and that's my final word *laughs* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 04:59:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32378 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:59:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7J91lY18981; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:01:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J91ku08299; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J8vsu07465 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:57:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id EDDF21E229D; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:57:29 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old sewing machines to charity? From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020819085729.EDDF21E229D@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:57:29 BST Status: RO N Kipar wrote : > I suddenly remembered that I heard 'somewhere' that there are charities > collecting old sewing machines that are specifically NOT dependant on > electricity to fix them or just get them back into great shape and ship them > to > third world countries. Is that true? We have one at home, in its box and > everything, I really don't want to throw it away, it would be a shame. > Anyone > having any ideas or heard of this? Back when I used to live in Stevenage, they had an organisation called the "Stevenage - Kadoma Link Association" that sent sewing machines among other things to Kadoma, in Zimbabwe. Contact details (from web): Dave Thompson (Chairman) Telephone (01438) 226643 They're very much a local group, and quite a long way from you, but may have ideas on who can use that sewing machine if they can't. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 06:36:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA32704 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:36:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JAcoY22388; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:38:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAcku23460; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAZsu22972 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:35:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29085.; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:37:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:35:07 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7JAZsu22972 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:34:56 +0100 Status: RO Catching up on huge numbers of messages while I was away from my computer last week (I went off to Shropshire straight after Kirby). I thought I'd switched to digest mode but it doesn't seem to have worked. Good to see the photos, Nicole. I haven't got mine developed yet but will try and get a colleague to scan them for me when I do. Was especially interested to see the temperance ladies as I was too far away to read what they had on their banner. I didn't manage to find Jean's group (although I did meet her last year), but Teddy found me and I met Nicole walking about (recognised her from the photos). L'Age d'Or's camp was nearly deserted when I went past but I saw others walking and they all looked wonderful. I too love the Napoleonic era but I haven't the time or energy to start on reenacting a different period. We were just making our way back to the cars when the rain started on Saturday. I got a lift with the friends in whose garden I was camping and we managed to sneak into an accessible parking spot on Sunday morning. I was sorry to miss the tea party, but not sorry to avoid the mud! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 06:40:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA32723 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:40:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JAglY22542; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:42:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAgku24199; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAaUu23095 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:36:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb05la (unverified [10.1.200.108]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:31:49 -0700 thread-index: AcJHa6BcFi7XLnjzT9C/FY5QFWcThw== Thread-Topic: Thank you to Sue From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Message-ID: <02b401c2476b$a05c1fe0$12c8a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02B5_01C24730.F3FD47E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Thank you to Sue Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:31:49 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02B5_01C24730.F3FD47E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Sue - the Syrian dress pattern arrived this morning. Thank you so much, you are such a sweetie!! I've now got all sorts of ideas, none of which involve the specified embroidery. I had fun this weekend - I've been playing with blackwork, but the traditional-type patterns evolved into Celtic/Pictic/Anglo-Saxon knotwork and animals, and I was extremely pleased with the effect. I think I'm going to make a shirt using them. You can see why cross-fertilisation is always so productive........ (Any my DH has just rung me at work to say my copy of "Cut my Cote" has just arrived from Amazon, and we're going to East Riddlesden Hall this afternoon for a costumed tour. It's a local 17th C National Trust Property, and I'm sure that the costume will be the _OK from a distance_ sort, but it's still an interesting thing to see). What a lovely day today. Thank you Sue..... Freyalyn _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. ------=_NextPart_000_02B5_01C24730.F3FD47E0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Sue - the Syrian dress pattern arrived this morning. Thank you so much, you are such a sweetie!!

I've now got all sorts of ideas, none of which involve the specified embroidery.

I had fun this weekend - I've been playing with blackwork, but the traditional-type patterns evolved into Celtic/Pictic/Anglo-Saxon knotwork and animals, and I was extremely pleased with the effect. I think I'm going to make a shirt using them.

You can see why cross-fertilisation is always so productive........

(Any my DH has just rung me at work to say my copy of "Cut my Cote" has just arrived from Amazon, and we're going to East Riddlesden Hall this afternoon for a costumed tour. It's a local 17th C National Trust Property, and I'm sure that the costume will be the _OK from a distance_ sort, but it's still an interesting thing to see).

What a lovely day today. Thank you Sue.....

Freyalyn
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------=_NextPart_000_02B5_01C24730.F3FD47E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 06:40:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA32728 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:40:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JAgnY22560; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:42:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAgnu24220; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:42:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAagu23135 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1300JIL6T26N@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:36:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020819031457.00cc5c60@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020818112628.90015.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> <20020818112628.90015.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:17:08 -0700 Status: RO >> Speaking as someone who is part of an English Civil >>War regiment which has exactly 4 women who don't cross >>dress, I always feel a bit left out, and as though I >>don't matter, as though I'm somehow not worth as much >>because I don't go on the battlefield. > >Hmm, but is that a problem with cross-dressing women or a problem with an >organization that gives the appearance of only valuing battlefield activities? > >I confess that I often get discouraged at the proportion of highly focused >historic groups that seem to be 95% battlefield and 5% "all that other >stuff". I have to wonder whether the significant numbers of women who >want to play male parts might not be a predictable consequence of >organizations that treat their non-military members as if they're "somehow >not worth as much". I guess I am in too many military-oriented groups, where the arts, especially the domestic ones, are either under-valued or not considered part of what the group is really doing. I get to feeling under-appreciated, marginalised, for all the woman's-work things I am good at (especially when most of the other women there don't do any of these things). In many situations it feels like the boys get to do stuff and the girls get to watch. (I am old enough that I grew up with this attitude - the guys went on protest marches and the girls stayed back at the office doing typing and filing, the guys got to shoot black powder and their wives/girlfriends got to clean the camp and to cook, etc.) So sometimes I cross-dress so I can play with the boys. The SCA used to be much more fighter-oriented, in the 1970s when I joined, than it is now. I used to want to be an SCA fighter, and was one of the first women, if not the first, in CAID to get authorized as a heavy-weapons fighter. Things changed, and those things I was better at became a larger percentage of what the SCA cared about. So I quit wanting to be a fighter, concentrated on things I liked better, and ended up with a Laurel and a Pelican. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 06:40:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA32732 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:40:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JAgrY22578; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAgru24248; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAaiu23140 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:36:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1300JIL6T26N@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers In-reply-to: <43.102885c9.2a91e697@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020819032940.00cc59b0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:32:55 -0700 Status: RO >Well, there was a law passed during the middle ages saying it was against >the law for Women to dress as Men. They wouldn't have made a law if there >wasn't a reason too. > >That being said, I find it so funny that this would come up. My boyfriend >and I have been have numerous "discussions" about whether I could actually >pass for being a boy. He is somewhat active with a black powder group >that really has no place for women, unless they want to dress up like >men. The problem (it's not like I don't wear pants, in fact, I used to be >quite a tom-boy) is that I am short and curvy. Since I hit puberty many >years ago, I haven't been able to pass for a boy, not even when I was >anorexic. All this being said, do any of you lady's have a similar >problem? If so, what do you do about it? Re-distribute it. Corsets shape almost anyone into a more female shape. Similarly there are anatomy-binders, like 'anti-corsets' that help shape one into a less female shape. I have to add pads in the gaps between one semi-flattened place and another, to give the whole thing one smooth curve. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 06:43:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA32755 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:43:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JAjkY22669; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAjku24768; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAgsu24257 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:42:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arweb02la (unverified [10.1.201.102]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:38:14 -0700 thread-index: AcJHbIWTk6elC4AlTAOp3Tffbh2HnA== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Man's overcoat From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Man's overcoat Message-ID: <045001c2476c$859379f0$0cc9a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0451_01C24731.D934A1F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:38:14 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0451_01C24731.D934A1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder if these smaller inside buttons might be to fasten a lining into the coat with? Either a sleeved or sleeveless lining for colder weather is common on some of the more expensive or country-sports type jackets/coats these days still, and use either buttons or zips to fasten them in and to stop them riding up inside. If it was really cleverly designed the buttons would also reinforce the outer fastening buttons (the same thread being used to go round the outer button, through the fabric, round the inner button and back) and also to attach a lining. Freyalyn, who wants to go home and play with patterns... _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Claire Clarke > Sent: 8/19/2002 4:54:26 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Man's overcoat > > Hi all, > wondering if anyone can answer this question. It's not important, just > curiosity. > I am currently using an overcoat that my husband inherited from his mad > old > great uncle. It's a marvellous coat. Rather old, and beautifully made. > When I was > a kid I alway wanted a inside breast pocket like my dad had, and was > very grumpy > that girls' coats never had them. Now I have a coat with one I always > forget it is > there because I'm not used to it (also it is more like waist level 'cos > I'm short > but never mind). Anyway, the question is this: just below said inside > breast pocket > there is a small button, and about six inches below that another the > same size. There > similar buttons in similar places on the opposite side. These buttons > are too small > to be 'spares' for the outer buttons, and there are no apparent button > holes for > them. Anyone know what these buttons are for? > > Claire > (it's a double breasted coat if that makes any difference) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_0451_01C24731.D934A1F0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder if these smaller inside buttons might be to fasten a lining into the coat with? Either a sleeved or sleeveless lining for colder weather is common on some of the more expensive or country-sports type jackets/coats these days still, and use either buttons or zips to fasten them in and to stop them riding up inside. If it was really cleverly designed the buttons would also reinforce the outer fastening buttons (the same thread being used to go round the outer button, through the fabric, round the inner button and back) and also to attach a lining.

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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Claire Clarke
> Sent: 8/19/2002 4:54:26 PM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: [h-cost] Man's overcoat
>
> Hi all,
> wondering if anyone can answer this question. It's not important, just
> curiosity.
> I am currently using an overcoat that my husband inherited from his mad
> old
> great uncle. It's a marvellous coat. Rather old, and beautifully made.
> When I was
> a kid I alway wanted a inside breast pocket like my dad had, and was
> very grumpy
> that girls' coats never had them. Now I have a coat with one I always
> forget it is
> there because I'm not used to it (also it is more like waist level 'cos
> I'm short
> but never mind). Anyway, the question is this: just below said inside
> breast pocket
> there is a small button, and about six inches below that another the
> same size. There
> similar buttons in similar places on the opposite side. These buttons
> are too small
> to be 'spares' for the outer buttons, and there are no apparent button
> holes for
> them. Anyone know what these buttons are for?
>
> Claire
> (it's a double breasted coat if that makes any difference)
>
> _______________________________________________
> h-costume mailing list
> h-costume@mail.indra.com
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------=_NextPart_000_0451_01C24731.D934A1F0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 06:43:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA32760 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:43:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JAjrY22684; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:45:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAjru24812; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:45:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAg2u24056 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-109-182.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.109.182]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJQ02106; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:42:59 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <079201c2476e$37b245c0$a4784ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:51:02 +0100 Status: RO >Embroidery most of all, both Anglo-Saxon and 17th. Sewing for Anglo-Saxon too. Leatherwork and weaving are fine but in regard to words and gender inflexions we cannot think of male ones for sewing clothing and embroidering in O.E. Right, didn't think of those (sexist of me I know) However bear in mind for early AS there are no written sources so it can't be ruled out :) (ie we don't know what words they used we can only work on implications from later sources) >What about Egyptian or Arab traditional clothing? As far as I recall the men wear long 'dresses' as well. Yes you are right. I suppose the advantage of long & cool might outweigh the long and in the way there. Not an expert on those costume (but I have a book somewhere so I'll look in it for more active expolits. >. I hate skirts, and that's my final word *laughs* But the Baroque skirts you wear are so nice :) I used to hate skirts but as I age I have actually grown to like them in the right situations. I guess we mellow with age ;) Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 06:49:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00361 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:49:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JApkY22826; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:51:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JApku25838; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:51:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAkNu24972 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-109-182.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.109.182]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJQ02376; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:47:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <07c001c2476e$d4610d20$a4784ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:54:44 +0100 Status: RO We seem to be ignoring muscles. Even moder men don't really pass for medieval men they are too flabby generally. Women don't muscle up the same. Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 06:50:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00372 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:50:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JAptY22843; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:51:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JApsu25874; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAlgu25182 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:47:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1300JUB7BH63@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:47:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old sewing machines to charity? In-reply-to: <20020819080431.19342.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020819034047.00da6e80@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:47:38 -0700 Status: RO >I suddenly remembered that I heard 'somewhere' that there are charities >collecting old sewing machines that are specifically NOT dependant on >electricity to fix them or just get them back into great shape and ship >them to >third world countries. Is that true? We have one at home, in its box and >everything, I really don't want to throw it away, it would be a shame. Anyone >having any ideas or heard of this? Does it have to go to the Third World? I bet there's a charity, local to you, that could use it themselves, or who knew some deserving person locally who could use it. A friend gave his old sewing machine to a church-member friend of his who thought he could find someone in his (the friend's) church to give it to. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 06:52:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00388 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:52:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JAslY22928; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:54:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAsku26313; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:54:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JAosu25641 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819105053.3179.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:50:53 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <079201c2476e$37b245c0$a4784ed5@melaniew> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:50:53 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Melanie Wilson wrote: > > > we cannot think of male ones for sewing clothing and embroidering in O.E. > > Right, didn't think of those (sexist of me I know) *laughs* However bear in mind for > early AS there are no written sources so it can't be ruled out :) (ie we > don't know what words they used we can only work on implications from later > sources) No.. that's actually not quite true. There are words we know and they do not have male versions BUT it is ben who would now have to answer this in more depths because this bit is his research and I have to throw up my hands now and kick him to give me the answer with all the references. :-) > Yes you are right. I suppose the advantage of long & cool might outweigh the > long and in the way there. Not an expert on those costume (but I have a book > somewhere so I'll look in it for more active expolits. Good idea, because I really don't know anything about ethnic clothing, and maybe those men wear shorter somethings when physically working? That is an interesting thought, that you started, skirts lengths and physical ability. > >. I hate skirts, > and that's my final word *laughs* > > But the Baroque skirts you wear are so nice :) I know, I know, and I can't walk/move in them! well, I can, but what I mean is I can't do what I do in real life! > I used to hate skirts but as I age I have actually grown to like them in the > right situations. I guess we mellow with age ;) *laughs* Trousers and big billowy linen shirts, give that to me any day. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 06:55:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00400 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:55:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JAvmY23034; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAvmu26879; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JArsu26192 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819105354.74878.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:53:54 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old sewing machines to charity? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020819034047.00da6e80@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:53:54 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > Does it have to go to the Third World? I bet there's a charity, local to > you, that could use it themselves, or who knew some deserving person > locally who could use it. A friend gave his old sewing machine to a > church-member friend of his who thought he could find someone in his (the > friend's) church to give it to. Oh no, it doesn't have to go to the third world of course, but I do remember that there was a charity specifically looking for non-electric ones and since those are quite rare now I wondered... I could always give BBC Kent a ring and enquire. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 06:59:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00417 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:59:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JB1kY23371; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JB1ku27596; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JAwWu27040 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819105832.31737.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:58:32 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colored Linen To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:58:32 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Drea Leed wrote: > Nicole, > Actually, I just finished transcribing some recipes from the Profitable > Booke. Here are some of the linen ones, if you're interested. *big snippage* Thank you ever so much Drea! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 06:59:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00421 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:59:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JB1rY23396; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:01:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JB1qu27633; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JAttu26522 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:55:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00500.; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:57:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:55:21 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7JAttu26522 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:54:54 +0100 Status: RO Well, I joined the Sealed Knot 25 years ago and became a musketeer because in those days there was nothing for women to do except carry water at the rear of the armies, and I wasn't going to be a camp-follower when I hadn't got a husband to follow. I wore a buff-coat which flattened my chest completely, and my hips are fairly narrow. I used to change into female attire in the evening, unless it was very muddy underfoot. Since then a thriving living history section has grown up and there's plenty for women to do as women. I've been a civilian musician for 5 or 6 seasons and also do knitting and lucetting. The SK is a military society because it was started by a military historian, but lots of members have wider interests. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 07:08:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00466 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:08:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JBAlY23675; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:10:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JBAku29307; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:10:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JB5Cu28337 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-109-182.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.109.182]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJQ03798; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:06:13 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <07f801c24771$756931a0$a4784ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:13:33 +0100 Status: RO >No.. that's actually not quite true. There are words we know and they do not have male versions Whilst I agree they might not have male versions by they time we have records for them, this cannot prove that in the 5th ot 6th C they didn't have such word that then fell into disuse. It is pretty inevitable that some words will never be known to use because they were not written down & inevitabily any language loses words over several centuries of use. Equally it can't be proved they did. Trouble is it is unlikely we will even find those lost words. (this is where the where have all the British words arguement comes in) But by the time you have the female version recorded, it is the time when such words were recorded & NOT the time they weren't. Hope I've explained that OK ! >Good idea, because I really don't know anything about ethnic clothing, and maybe those men wear shorter somethings when physically working? That is an interesting thought, that you started, skirts lengths and physical ability. Me neither :( > I know, I know, and I can't walk/move in them! well, I can, but what I mean is I can't do what I do in real life! Which bring us back to are they like that to limit your liberation (or were they) >Trousers and big billowy linen shirts, give that to me any day. :-) I'm more your combats & T shirts girl :) Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 07:17:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00494 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:17:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JBJmY23960; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:19:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JBJmu01196; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:19:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JBFEu00245 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:15:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819111513.90582.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:15:13 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <07f801c24771$756931a0$a4784ed5@melaniew> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:15:13 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Melanie Wilson wrote: > >No.. that's actually not quite true. There are words we know and they do > not > have male versions > Trouble is it is unlikely we will even find those lost words. (this is where > the where have all the British words arguement comes in) > > But by the time you have the female version recorded, it is the time when > such words were recorded & NOT the time they weren't. Hope I've explained > that OK ! I know what you mean but I still disagree because of what that I remember the argument was more than convincing but I don't remember for the life of me what the argument actually was! Sorry, that's why I better drop this, because I can't remember the actual argument. nevermind, doesn't matter that much, just call me senile. > Which bring us back to are they like that to limit your liberation (or were > they) I think they kind of do, but that's my very modern idea of slouching about and climbing over things, cycling, driving, etc. Though I must admit that my much shorter and less full working class wool skirt is SO much less inhibiting, well, of course it would be. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 07:35:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00614 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:35:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JBblY24523; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:37:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JBbku04669; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:37:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JBXFu03785 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:33:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-109-182.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.109.182]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJQ05911; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:34:10 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <081b01c24775$5ffc2120$a4784ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:41:23 +0100 Status: RO >I know what you mean but I still disagree We might have to agree to disagree, but far better historical linguists than I are convinced by the argument (in general not specifically for embroidery) :0) > I think they kind of do, but that's my very modern idea of slouching about and climbing over things, cycling, driving, etc. But that is modern female , whereas males from most ages can be seen to climb over things (cycling & dringing are out) but horse ride. even women who did horseride astride, their are hints of riding in breeches and I for one can't see anyone (female) riding astride with no knickers or trousers & not being in servere pain ! ;0) BTW the book of Arab costume I have is rather too modern & Arty for working clothes but I do have some 13th C pics somewhere Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 08:39:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01219 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:39:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JCfhY26801; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:41:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JCfgu17861; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:41:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JCbou16967 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:37:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m20.in-tch.com [216.166.191.20]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7JCMM911333 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:22:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D60E7BF.364811F2@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes References: <20020819073732.73218.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:42:39 -0600 Status: RO Droool!!! Does she ship out of the UK? --sue N Kipar wrote: > > As always I recommend Sarah Juniper, not because I am affiliated because I am > really not, but because I love her shoes: > > http://www.sarahjuniper.co.uk/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 08:43:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01241 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:43:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JCjfY26939; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JCjfu18853; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JCdWu17312 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:39:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m20.in-tch.com [216.166.191.20]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7JCPD911814 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:25:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D60E86A.A0FF85FB@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] and for the napoleonic reinactors References: <200208190402.VAA12097@gw.retro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:45:30 -0600 Status: RO Ooooh....I can just see it....along with the Elvis sightings, now we'll have Napoleon sightings....Hey, maybe they're hanging out together somewhere! --sue, feeling silly Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > > .. and it sounds like we can't be sure who's buried in Napoleon's > tomb for the time being (that's an awkward sentence!): > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,775975,00.html > [these URLs taken from Explorator, an archeology newsletter] > > --Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 08:46:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01295 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:46:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JCmhY27069; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JCmgu19488; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JChuu18444 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m20.in-tch.com [216.166.191.20]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7JCTb912584 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:29:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D60E971.4235BFAE@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] exceptions to rules References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:49:53 -0600 Status: RO Well, they *do* note that they don't know if it's a civilian cemetary, or if it's the monks. Could they be villagers? or servants at the priory? Could they have been buried at different times? Perhaps it was some sort of mass burial because of an epedemic? Interesting stuff, though! --sue Wanda Pease wrote: > > They seem to be making an awful lot of surmises from the bones of only 4 > individuals, 3 male and 1 female! Unless they get a great deal more > material to work with I think they are talking through their hats. The > single female could simply be a transient who died at the priory door one > winter night and was buried out of pity and piety, not a member of the > group! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 08:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01361 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:55:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JCvgY27399; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:57:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JCvfu21585; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:57:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JCqHu20339 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:52:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m20.in-tch.com [216.166.191.20]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7JCbw913993 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:37:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D60EB67.8DA2BB31@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of fabric not color (was: Linen) References: <001601c2472d$ff140e00$6501a8c0@Home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:58:15 -0600 Status: RO Thanks....I'm off to see the library! (sung to the tune from the Wizard of Oz).... --sue, feeling really, really silly this morning ;-) Saragrace knauf wrote: > > Here you go! ISBN 0 521 78102 7 (hardback) ISBN 0 521 78663 0 > (paperback) > > **-----Original Message----- > **From: h-costume-admin@indra.com > **[mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger > **Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 11:14 AM > **To: h-costume@indra.com > **Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of > **fabric not color (was: Linen) > ** > ** > **This sounds really interesting...Could you please share the > **ISBN number? --Sue > ** > **Saragrace knauf wrote: > **> > ** I am working my way through "Renaissance Clothing > **> and the Materials of Memory" by Ann Rosalind Jones and Peter > **> Stallybrass. > **_______________________________________________ > **h-costume mailing list > **h-costume@mail.indra.com > **http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ** > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 08:58:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01369 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:58:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JD0fY27547; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:00:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JD0eu22414; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:00:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JCuMu21250 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:56:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819125621.14460.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:56:21 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D60E7BF.364811F2@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:56:21 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Droool!!! > Does she ship out of the UK? > --sue Yes of course Sue! You wil ahve to give her a good old call or send an old fashioned fax or *gasp* letter though because she doesn't have a computer *G* Just tell her that I end you... she is always delighted because she says it means she can make fancy shoes, and nothing boring. *laughs* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 09:13:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01457 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:13:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JDF6Y28255; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:15:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JDF3u26041; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:15:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JDC7u25372 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:12:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m20.in-tch.com [216.166.191.20]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7JCvm918303 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:57:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D60F009.D6F19B52@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thank you to Sue References: <02b401c2476b$a05c1fe0$12c8a8c0@mail2world.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:18:01 -0600 Status: RO Aw, shucks, ma'am....Glad you like it! If I ever find the time, and the right fabric, I *really* want to make a shirt someday for my own (non-costumed) use...it'd be either linen or silk twill (I'd originally thought wool, but it makes me itch when it's next to my skin), and as close to completely covered in Celtic knotwork as I can make it--especially the yoke, down the arms, cuffs, etc. I want the effect of something like the Chi-Rho page from the Book of Kells, which is one of my favorite books, ever. I read a description of a shirt like this in a novel many years ago, and have lusted after one ever since! ;-D I have a copy of "Cut My Cote," too...it's a nice little book. --Sue, having a pleasant early Monday morning myself...it's still cool, the sun is up, more or less (it's light out, but my town's in a valley), and I've got a nice cup of tea, and a cat curled up at my feet...mmmmm.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 10:16:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01953 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:16:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JEI2Y02186; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:18:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JEI1u15574; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20208.mail.yahoo.com (web20208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.63]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JEHgu15450 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:17:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819141742.66435.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:17:42 PDT From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c2439b$a67b8560$be3986d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1073880160-1029766662=:66315" Subject: [h-cost] Buying fabric Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: angela@ivyharp.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --0-1073880160-1029766662=:66315 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I ran across this while looking for an online source of a certain fabric, and it struck a chord. Apologies if it's been shared here recently - I've been no-mail for a while. http://www.quilt.com/MiscQuilting/ReasonsToBuy.html -Angela --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-1073880160-1029766662=:66315 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I ran across this while looking for an online source of a certain fabric, and it struck a chord.  Apologies if it's been shared here recently - I've been no-mail for a while.

http://www.quilt.com/MiscQuilting/ReasonsToBuy.html

-Angela



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HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-1073880160-1029766662=:66315-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 11:27:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02367 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:27:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JFT5Y09947; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:29:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JFT1C22300; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cs666879-113.catrio.org (cs666879-113.austin.rr.com [66.68.79.113]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JFSRC21941 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:28:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from ddoug@localhost) by cs666879-113.catrio.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g7JFSQp06496; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:28:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15713.3736.851043.748710@cs666879-113.austin.rr.com> From: Debra Douglass To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice In-Reply-To: N Kipar's message about Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice References: <062501c24700$e029c0c0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> <20020818215458.70037.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.05 under Emacs 20.7.1 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:28:24 -0500 Status: RO On 8/18/2002, on h-costume@indra.com, N Kipar wrote: >> --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: >>> Birds' respiratory systems are 70 (not a typo) times more >>> sensitive than a human's. Those sprays give off chemicals that >>> are toxic to a bird, where it may not affect you at all. But you >>> have to wonder--if it can injure or even (admittedly rare) KILL a >>> bird, how good can it be for you? >> >>Yes, but then WHY do they sell it to bird owners and WHY does it say on the >>package that it IS for life birds? I am confused!!! Because the pet industry is unregulated and it is extremely difficult to prove and win liability cases involving injuries to pets. Also veterinary science specific to pet birds has only recently (in last 10 years) matured enough so that a vet could actually perform a necropsy and histopath (autopsy on animals) and state that use of a certain product is what killed a bird and that is only possible in a small percentage of cases. Add to that the fact that a majority of pet owners do not spend very much in the way of health care dollars on their pets. Which leaves most bereaved bird owners ignorant of what killed their bird i.e. most bird owners do not spring for the additional expense of a necropsy/histopath (especially in the cases of the smaller birds, such as finches, canaries, parakeets, cockatiels, and lovebirds). There is a very large amount of products that are marketed for birds which are actually harmful to birds. -Debra (owner of an African Grey Parrot) -- .------------------------------------------------------------------. |Debra Douglass ddoug@catrio.org http://www.catrio.org| `------------------------------------------------------------------' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 11:40:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02430 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:40:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JFg6Y11546; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JFg4C00190; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:42:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe14.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.118]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JFfKC29503 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:41:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:41:15 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: <07f801c24771$756931a0$a4784ed5@melaniew> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 15:41:15.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA304C20:01C24796] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:41:53 -0500 Status: RO > >No.. that's actually not quite true. There are words we know and they do > not > have male versions Yes but does that necessarily mean that there were no males doing it at some point? Take words like firemen... well it used to be only male firemen, and now we have to modify the word to accomodate women that do the same activity. And there are words like soldier, that were meant for the male version, but that can cover both sexes now that we need it to... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 11:42:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02440 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:42:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JFi7Y11755; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JFi7C01568; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JFhmC01378 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:43:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA19585.; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:45:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:43:26 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7JFhmC01378 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:43:25 +0100 Status: RO Isn't there now a school of thought that original historic costumes seem tiny only because the standard- and large-sized garments got handed down and re-used until they fell to bits, leaving the exceptionally small ones to be preserved? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> freyalyn@ivillage.com 08/09/02 09:32am >>> This brings up the point that it's very easy to forget how much smaller people can be in the past. Some of the original costumes in the V&A and other collections almost look children sized compared to us modern, well-fed people. _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Karen Heim > Sent: 8/9/2002 6:24:39 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset > > I have no ideas about what or when it might be, but the original poster claimedit was way too short > to be a corset. I would ask, please, that no one makeassumptions about it based on whether it would > fit them. I am *extremely*short-waisted, and until I was 28, that item of clothing would have fit > mealmost perfectly, all the way down to my waist - and I mean completely closed,too. So it might be > way too short for most of you, but not me. > > Karen (who buys all her gloves at estate sales after old women pass on, becausethey're the only > people with gloves small enough to fit me reasonably) > > Marna Jean wrote: > > I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy dress costume-(I just got a > new plate of fancydress costumes for 1883 so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessinglate > 19th century. > > MJ > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 11:59:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02539 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:59:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JG13Y13650; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JG11C11601; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx1.famvid.com (b.mx.famvid.com [208.16.68.103] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JG0XC11288 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:00:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25245 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 16:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jeanne) (66.94.197.36) by mx2.famvid.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 16:02:28 -0000 Message-ID: <06f101c24799$99858cf0$9865fea9@jeanne> From: "Jeanne Harney" To: References: <20020818212706.23125.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <062501c24700$e029c0c0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:00:54 -0400 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" > Birds' respiratory systems are 70 (not a typo) times more sensitive than a > human's. Those sprays give off chemicals that are toxic to a bird, where it > may not affect you at all. But you have to wonder--if it can injure or even > (admittedly rare) KILL a bird, how good can it be for you? > > Dianne Not to mention that in over 20 years of breeding exotic birds and rescuing same, I have never YET seen a pet bird with lice or mites. Period. They simply don't get them unless they're in contact with outside birds. (exception - budgies tend to get scalyface mites but rarely, usually from unsanitary pet store conditions) However, I've seen half a dozen cases of toxicity from either those sprays or from "mite protectors" that birds have gotten into. The mite protectors are napthalene (moth balls) so you might want to try those either instead of/in addition to the sprays. Jeanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 12:11:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02586 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:11:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JGD2Y14910; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JGD1C19143; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J20Hu06328 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-84.gti.net [208.216.115.84]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id C8605356E7; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D605131.FB65B780@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: [h-cost] Actors Needed to Portray Historical Figures-Paid! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:00:17 -0400 Status: RO This is from another list. I thought some of you might be interested..I mean, hey it pays. ~Deb R. [Fwded Message: [actors] Talent needed for short skit 2x/wk all year round starting Jan 2003] Actors to portray historical figures for a 45 min performance twice a week....all states. If you are a dedicated professional and responsible then I would like to hear about you and your background. I will also need a photo. You should be over 18, above 5'6" and have a strong presence. This opportunity will afford you a very nice weekly cash flow but few Oscars. The material is very basic but your intensity will be needed to convey the time line aspect of the show. You will work with another actor so if there are two of you(a team) even better. I'll need a bio, contact info and a photo(.jpeg/gif are ok).B&W better We will be getting under way after the first of the year, you will be responsible for knowing the routine to perfection and you will also work faily independently of others. If you are interested give it a whirl. Who knows where this will lead. Good luck to you all and if you're interested get in touch soon. John Loggia parensis@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 12:11:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02590 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:11:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JGDCY14985; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:13:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JGDBC19259; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:13:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J693u05155 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from opalsun (pm3d-113.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.192.113]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.11.4/DCN-8.11.4.1) with SMTP id g7J690n19772 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Margo Glenn-Lewis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers Message-ID: <001b01c24746$919466e0$048ffea9@pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020818082059.41754.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:06:32 -0700 Status: RO Ack!!! Definitely not hundreds!!! & it would definitely take a large amount of determination AND specific body type to pull it off! Margo Glenn-Lewis "Don't forget your bucket." Ice Machine in the Desert - Brave Combo > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of N Kipar > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 1:21 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers > > > --- Margo Glenn-Lewis wrote: > Don't > let anybody tell > you otherwise - determined women have almost always > > been able to go to war. The most recent one I am aware of > (in disguise) was > > Frauline Eberhardt. (think I've remembered the name > correctly) Rose to the > > rank of Sgt. Major in the French Foreign Legion, and her > gender was not > > discovered until she was killed in battle. > > > > Margo Glenn-Lewis > > Yeah, right, my old pet hate. So... how many women dressed up > and successfully > concealed their gender in history and HOW many women > crossdress in modern > re-enactment??? Look at the English Cicil War Society > battlefield or the Sea;ed > Knot and you can spot dozens of girlies in bouncy boobs and > big bums straight > away. > No, there were not hundreds of women crossdressing in history on the > battlefield, yes there are nowadays hundreds of women crossdressing on > re-enactment battlefields, my point is that the women in > history were rare and > didn't come in the dozens let alone hundreds, and that the > percentage nowadays > doesn't reflect that. Drives me mad when the 15th woman tells > me in one > regiment 'oh yes but there were crossdressing women in > history'' yes there > were, but geeez, not as many as nowadays in re-enactment. > That's my pet hate, otherwise, everyone can do what makes 'em happy. > > Nicole - who used to crossdress and then stopped just because > it doesn't work > in modern times. > > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 12:11:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02594 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:11:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JGDJY15014; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:13:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JGDIC19361; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J6EEu06224 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:14:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from opalsun (pm3d-113.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.192.113]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.11.4/DCN-8.11.4.1) with SMTP id g7J6EBn20156 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:14:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Margo Glenn-Lewis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers Message-ID: <001c01c24747$4b241060$048ffea9@pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <03de01c24695$9c2f1d40$a26f4ed5@pavilion> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:11:43 -0700 Status: RO I was occasionally mistaken for male while in high school back in the early 70's. No, I do not have a very male body type. Here are the reasons: My hair was short, much closer to the male norm in West Texas than any of the female styles. I have a broad back and shoulders, that were extremely enhanced by the fact I was a competitive swimmer. And I am told that I walked like a man in those years (my father's judgment, in fact.) So, put me in my jeans and letter jacket, and I got called sir. (Hated it, too.) Margo Glenn-Lewis "Don't forget your bucket." Ice Machine in the Desert - Brave Combo > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Melanie Wilson > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 1:59 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers > > > >I am not a male shape, but I have been mistaken for a man on > more than one > occasion while cross-dressing. > > What about your face ? Most women don't look male, I don't (I > hope )& I've > not seen many unfortunates to look male naturally, do you use > make up ? > False beards etc ? Intreiged > > >But sometimes I get un-period-ly bored with needlework all the > time > > Well that 'might' be period ;) But fighting is OK, great, but > not saying it > was done by women regularly IMHO > > Mel > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received > it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose > the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of > this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the > Company, unless specifically stated. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 12:11:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02598 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:11:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JGDMY15030; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:13:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JGDLC19390; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:13:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (root@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.253.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7J6cXu10903 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from opalsun (pm3d-113.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.192.113]) by wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (8.11.4/DCN-8.11.4.1) with SMTP id g7J6cTn21913 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:38:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Margo Glenn-Lewis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers Message-ID: <001d01c2474a$afea11e0$048ffea9@pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020817220208.013b6ec0@pop.directcon.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:36:01 -0700 Status: RO Early part of the 1900s I believe. I can neither recall nor locate my source! However, while rummaging through what's left of my memory I came across PC Wren's book "Sowing Glory - the Memoirs of 'Mary Ambree'". In the intro to this novel, Wren claims it is an actual account of the life of a woman who served in the French Foreign Legion after WWI. He states that she came to him privately and offered her journals to him, so that she could have some kind of income. He used the name "Mary Abree" for her after the heroine of a folk ballad. I am inclined to believe his introduction, if for no other reason than if he wanted to simply write a novel centered on a female legionnaire, he certainly could have. Mr. Wren, who himself served in the Legion, is the man who brought us Beau Geste among others. It is worth noting that in at least one of his Legion novels (Beau Geste, in fact) there is a woman passing herself off as a man in the Legion. Margo Glenn-Lewis "Don't forget your bucket." Ice Machine in the Desert - Brave Combo > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Margo Anderson > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:02 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com; h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers > > > At 07:16 PM 08/15/2002 -0700, Margo Glenn-Lewis wrote: > >Don't let anybody tell you otherwise - determined women have > almost always > >been able to go to war. The most recent one I am aware of > (in disguise) was > >Frauline Eberhardt. (think I've remembered the name > correctly) Rose to the > >rank of Sgt. Major in the French Foreign Legion, and her > gender was not > >discovered until she was killed in battle. > > Cool! When was this? The French Foreign Legion has been > around for a while. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 12:36:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02722 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:36:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JGc3Y17834; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JGc1C04821; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JGbXC04520 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:37:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819163733.69214.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:37:33 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <06f101c24799$99858cf0$9865fea9@jeanne> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:37:33 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jeanne Harney wrote: > > However, I've seen half a dozen cases of toxicity from either those sprays > or from "mite protectors" that birds have gotten into. That's really mean then, poor birds. The mite protectors > are napthalene (moth balls) so you might want to try those either instead > of/in addition to the sprays. Nah, thanks, I hate the smell of those, I'll stick to the mite spray and let you know how it goes. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 12:43:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02769 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:43:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JGjHY18618; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JGjGC09341; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:45:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JGiRC08859 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OqxFbTGTB/qd0ZBeAQYLZRc="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id HALDE5QW; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:43:37 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] exceptions to rules Message-ID: <20020819.094218.-47309.4.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:22:07 +0000 Status: RO Coming in on the middle of this--some monasteries were both-gendered. Hildegard of Bingen belonged to one of them for a time, if memory serves. Arlys On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:38:14 -0700 "Wanda Pease" writes: > They seem to be making an awful lot of surmises from the bones of > only 4 > individuals, 3 male and 1 female! Unless they get a great deal more > material to work with I think they are talking through their hats. > The > single female could simply be a transient who died at the priory > door one > winter night and was buried out of pity and piety, not a member of > the > group! > > Regina Romsey ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 12:43:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02771 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:43:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JGj7Y18594; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JGj6C09247; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:45:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JGiPC08848 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819164425.93948.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:44:25 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:44:25 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > Isn't there now a school of thought that original historic costumes seem tiny > only because the standard- and large-sized garments got handed down and > re-used until they fell to bits, leaving the exceptionally small ones to be > preserved? Yes indeed Kate, and I do partly agree with this, because many of the clothing items have been altered, but others clearly not, and certainly not the corsets like the pink one. Oh my... if I had that waist... *G* Maybe it is 50-50? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 12:48:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02798 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:48:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JGo2Y19126; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JGo2C12370; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JGn8C11866 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:49:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819164908.14961.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:49:08 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] exceptions to rules To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020819.094218.-47309.4.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:49:08 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Coming in on the middle of this--some monasteries were both-gendered. > Hildegard of Bingen belonged to one of them for a time, if memory serves. > > Arlys > Hm, yes, double monasteries, but didn't those cease after the synod of.. uhm.. of... oh demmit my memory is not what it was once. Don't think it was Whitby, now was it? that was the one where the Easter calendar was cemented in favour of the gregorian and not the celtic. I didn't check out the story, what is the date of the cemetery? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 13:02:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02929 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:02:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JH42Y20725; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JH40C20572; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JH3eC20357 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:03:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA53093 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:03:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Guys, I have the first installment of my photos from the V&A up on the website: http://costume.dm.net/va/ And some scans of costume at the Bath Museum: http://costume.dm.net/bath/ There's a lot more in the works, that should be up soon. Enjoy! Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 13:17:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02993 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:17:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JHJ4Y22357; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:19:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JHJ0C29790; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JHI2C29193 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819171800.51276.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:18:00 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:18:00 +0100 (BST) Status: RO THANK YOU Drea!!! These are fantastic, three huzzahs to your camera and to you taking the pictures. Nicole - happy --- Drea Leed wrote: > Guys, > > I have the first installment of my photos from the V&A up on the website: > http://costume.dm.net/va/ > > And some scans of costume at the Bath Museum: http://costume.dm.net/bath/ > > There's a lot more in the works, that should be up soon. > > Enjoy! > > Drea > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 13:50:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03323 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:50:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JHqgY26541; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:52:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JHqeu21568; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:52:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JHcpC12070 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:38:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819173851.27260.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:38:51 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays (copy of V&A pink ones) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:38:51 +0100 (BST) Status: RO At last, I have to say! I never managed to get a halfway decent photo of me in the red stays. Is it because I was just unlucky or because I'm ugly? *laughs* Don't answer! Here it is: http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/red-stays.jpg I have to say though that I dressed myself and didn't have my mirror with me *grumble* I forgot the period framed mirror at ghome. I should have pulled the stomacher up higher and can see now that I should really try to lace it from the bottom up and not top down, but bottom up is impossible when doing it alone, the stomacher always slips down. Hmmm... The top is a tad too tight, it should be laced in a more perfectly shaped V. Nevermind, next time.. Did anybody tell me though? noooooo... *slaps BF* Here is a picture from the back: http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/red-stays-back.jpg And last but not least the lovely page that Drea just announced with her fantastic photos of the pink 1660s stays in the V&A. (no, pink is not my colour.... that's why mine is cherry red :-) http://costume.dm.net/va/pc.html Nicole - who wants to have the pink lady's waist! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 14:38:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03882 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:38:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JIeRY02062; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JIePu21159; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:40:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JIOEu11507 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:24:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17grCC-0006QO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:24:08 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:24:08 -0400 Status: RO Okay, cat's out of the bag on this one, but I'll be in London from Sept. 4-12 and I am definately planning on going to the 3 "major" museums (to me, anyway): V&A, Museum of London and the National Gallery. What I can't seem to figure out is what, if any, kinds photography are allowed. Can anyone elaborate? Great pics, Drea! Whetting my appatite for the real thing... :) Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com > Guys, > > I have the first installment of my photos from the V&A up on the website: > http://costume.dm.net/va/ > > And some scans of costume at the Bath Museum: http://costume.dm.net/bath/ > > There's a lot more in the works, that should be up soon. > > Enjoy! > > Drea > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com "Absence of evidence, isn't necessarily evidence of absence." -Carl Sagan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 15:46:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04604 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:46:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JJmTY08443; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:48:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JJmRu01140; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:48:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JJWCu21267 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 30770 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 19:56:16 -0000 Received: from 66-81-61-121-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.61.121) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 19:56:16 -0000 Message-ID: <3D614538.A12356BD@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers References: <20020818112628.90015.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> <20020818112628.90015.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20020819031457.00cc5c60@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:21:28 -0700 Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I guess I am in too many military-oriented groups, where the arts, > especially the domestic ones, are either under-valued or not considered > part of what the group is really doing. I get to feeling > under-appreciated, marginalised, for all the woman's-work things I am good > at (especially when most of the other women there don't do any of these > things). In many situations it feels like the boys get to do stuff and the > girls get to watch. (I am old enough that I grew up with this attitude - > the guys went on protest marches and the girls stayed back at the office > doing typing and filing, the guys got to shoot black powder and their > wives/girlfriends got to clean the camp and to cook, etc.) So sometimes I > cross-dress so I can play with the boys. > I have been reading this thread with interest, because I am the other side of the coin. A big burly male by birth, I find the fighting, and shooting to be the most boring thing on earth. And would much rather be back at camp sewing, knitting, or cooking. Luckily after much research I have found ways to explain why I am sewing or the like. At Fort Sutter where I do LH for the 1840's I explain that I learned to sew and knit during my short career as a sailor, and it came in handy when I was a widower, "Shirts don't sew themselves." I explain at least 20 times a day. Still have to play the Male-Pig part, one time one of the women said that I was a good husband because I understood how hard woman's work is, as I told them smiling to myself, "The only trouble with women's work, is that you let women do it and it they take too long!" -- Stephen Bergdahl www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm Co-Chair Costume-Con 24 Bid www.2xtreme.net/madly/Costuming101/Costume-Con24/Frames.html Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:14:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04736 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:14:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKGEY11385; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKGCu17513; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:16:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JHmvC18810 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:48:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17gqe7-0006nF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:48:56 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of fabric not color (was: Linen) Organization: PII Message-ID: <001801c247a7$3ba0ce20$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:38:25 -0700 Status: RO **All this, though, is aside from my original quibble with the **Jones/Stallybrass quote, which correctly identified russet as **a type of cloth that might be any of a variety of greys or **browns, but assumed that it was *dyed* to those colors. In **its earliest definition of russet as a coarse wool "of **reddish-brown, grey, or neutral color," the OED doesn't refer **to *how* the cloth got that color, so I bet many people **(particularly those who don't know about the connection to **black sheep, or aren't aware that these are the colors of **black-sheep wool) would read that definition and assume the **cloth was dyed that way, maybe because earthy dull dyes were **cheap. And I could see Jones/Stallybrass either making that **assumption or using a source that did so. ** **--Robin I really think the issue here is that I did not communicate well that all I was trying to provide was another example where there was use of a word that was, at one point in time, used to convey textile type where we might interpret it today as a "colour". I don't think the points that you bring up are in conflict with the source, but you would have to read the whole thing to see that and I realize that I didn't provide you with all that. I wasn't trying to present the source as thoroughly defensible, or well researched, just a point of commonality that folks on the list might find interesting. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:14:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04740 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:14:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKGXY11471; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:16:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKGWu17751; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:16:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf14bis.bellsouth.net (mail114.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JHvuu25231 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:57:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.7]) by imf14bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020819175926.DVFK1229.imf14bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:59:26 -0400 Message-ID: <011801c247a9$d48905b0$93994cd8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: <20020819173851.27260.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays (copy of V&A pink ones) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:57:03 -0400 Status: RO How do you get your hair to do that!!! It's so pretty! And the corset looks good too...LOL Apollonia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:16:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04759 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:16:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKIHY11826; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:18:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKIGu19052; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:18:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JI8du02321 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:08:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ANGELA (adsl-63-202-198-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.198.62]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7JI8cd281956 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:08:38 -0400 Message-ID: <01cd01c247ab$b1e32bb0$0c0010ac@ANGELA> From: "Angela F. Lazear- Cabbage Rose" To: References: <010801c24717$111b0ac0$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> <3D60593C.F7CC836D@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] trim ends MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:10:26 -0700 Status: RO I use both +++++ fraycheck and the goop in the tube. Let dry, then tuck ends under or overlap with other end of trim if applicable. Keeps it nice and tidy. I usually put fraycheck on anything I cut from a length, such as ribbon or guimpe IMMEDIATELY after cutting, before it begins to fray and lose it's shape. That way I keep it nice and I don't lose any of the material to nasty fraying. angela Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "Do you not know I am a woman?. When I think, I must speak." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] trim ends > Well.... > There's a goo related to fraycheck, but stronger. You might try that. > It comes in a largish metal tube, kinda like superglue. I found it in > the notions section of my local Jo-Ann's, although I haven't actually > had time to try it yet. > Or, depending on the narrowness of your villainous trim , you might > be able to "plunge" the end through a temporary hole in your fabric, and > then finish the end on the inside, where it could be hidden by the > lining, hem, etc. I've done this quite successfully when couching gold > cord around applique. I use a large, blunt needle to open up the weave > of the background fabric just a little, plunge the end of the cord > through the hole, and tack it down really well on the backside, where it > won't show. I usually freycheck it, too. If you don't have the option > of hiding your end under a bit of applique, the way I did ;-), you can > "hide" it under the trim...kinda like making a complete circle, and then > tucking the ends under each other. Does that make any sense? I tried to > draw you a picture, but my ascii-art stinks. > --sue > Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > > > Maybe this is a really obvious question, but it's been a nemesis of mine for > > awhile. How do you keep trim ends from unravelling if they aren't caught in > > a seam? I'm thinking mostly of piping and gimp type trims which will unravel > > if you look at them wrong (or if you look at them at all!). Fray check > > doesn't seem to work really well, and I'm plain out of ideas. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:16:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04763 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:16:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKIOY11844; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:18:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKINu19133; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:18:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JIBUu03862 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:11:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-118-137.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.118.137]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJX24305; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:11:19 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <016301c247ac$1ca1ada0$b3664ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20020819.094218.-47309.4.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] exceptions to rules MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:13:22 +0100 Status: RO >Coming in on the middle of this--some monasteries were both-gendered. Hildegard of Bingen belonged to one of them for a time, if memory serves Those tended to be during the relativly early period of British Christianity & ceased as did much of the education of women , certainly by the post conquest period I believe, but then again I have no idea of the date of the cemetary in question :) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:16:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04768 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:16:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKIjY11932; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:18:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKIiu19379; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:18:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JII1u07840 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-118-137.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.118.137]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJX24656; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:17:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <017601c247ad$05e36c60$b3664ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <07f801c24771$756931a0$a4784ed5@melaniew> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:19:56 +0100 Status: RO >Yes but does that necessarily mean that there were no males doing it at some point? >Take words like firemen... well it used to be only male firemen That is largly because English has shifted away from gender specific words , we don't tend have differing words each sex I believe, in the same way say French does. I think the arguement is valid once we get written form, but unprovable prior to written form. However in fairness, probably unlikely in this case. However, that could well be my cultural bias that I can't see my image of butch male Anglo Saxons embroidering :) Then again as I said female AS of 8-9th C are well muscular (often) and I'm not sure I can see them sitting down to recreational embroidery either. Nicole there is a 1999 theses on AS gender and crafts that might be of interest to Ben, if he hasn't seen it let me know & I'll try & dig out the full ref. Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:17:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04774 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:17:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKJHY12042; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKJFu19763; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JIt2u29531 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA53936 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:54:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Photography, with flash, is allowed in the V&A. Most of the items are in glass cases which create strange flares when you use flash, unfortunately. So low-light film and cameras work best. The V&A has put the bulk of their 16th & 17th c. items in storage and replaced them with an exhibition of 20th century evening gowns. Yes, "curatoricide" was the word that sprang to mind when I walked into their costume area and discovered that I'd flown a quarter of the way around the globe to look at Givenchy cocktail gowns. There are still some nice items scattered throughout their other exhibitions, and they have a number of good 18th and 19th century gowns still on display. And, of course, the Textile Study Rooms can't be missed. Drea On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Sarah Lorraine wrote: > Okay, cat's out of the bag on this one, but I'll be in London from > Sept. 4-12 and I am definately planning on going to the 3 "major" > museums (to me, anyway): V&A, Museum of London and the National > Gallery. What I can't seem to figure out is what, if any, kinds > photography are allowed. Can anyone elaborate? > > Great pics, Drea! Whetting my appatite for the real thing... :) > > Sarah > http://www.elizabethanlady.com > > > Guys, > > > > I have the first installment of my photos from the V&A up on the > website: > > http://costume.dm.net/va/ > > > > And some scans of costume at the Bath Museum: > http://costume.dm.net/bath/ > > > > There's a lot more in the works, that should be up soon. > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Drea > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > Sarah > http://www.elizabethanlady.com > "Absence of evidence, isn't necessarily evidence of absence." > -Carl > Sagan > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:17:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04778 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:17:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKJTY12094; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKJTu19919; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JJP1u16924 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03219 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:27:26 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:27:26 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Sarah Lorraine wrote: > Okay, cat's out of the bag on this one, but I'll be in London from > Sept. 4-12 and I am definately planning on going to the 3 "major" > museums (to me, anyway): V&A, Museum of London and the National > Gallery. What I can't seem to figure out is what, if any, kinds > photography are allowed. Can anyone elaborate? I have taken photos in all three places, I think, but it's been a while. Also, I do not use flash or a tripod; sometimes there are restrictions on these. Policies do change. You might try checking the websites and/or emailing the museums. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:17:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04783 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:17:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKJOY12065; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKJMu19847; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JIueu00566 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:56:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819185639.38769.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:56:39 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:56:39 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sarah Lorraine wrote: > Okay, cat's out of the bag on this one, but I'll be in London from > Sept. 4-12 and I am definately planning on going to the 3 "major" > museums (to me, anyway): V&A, Museum of London and the National > Gallery. What I can't seem to figure out is what, if any, kinds > photography are allowed. Can anyone elaborate? You are definitely allowed to take photos in the V&A and the Museum of London, but no tripod and no flash (as I recall) Anyone info on the NPG? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:17:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04784 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:17:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKJXY12116; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKJXu19973; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JJPCu17039 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:25:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-4.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.64.4] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17gs9F-00013Y-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:25:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c247b8$8d65aa80$044086d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:42:26 +0100 Status: RO Hello, Yes, you can take photos at the V & A, but I'm, afraid that unless you've made a prior appointment to view anything from b4 1700, you'll be sadly disappointed, as they've taken it all off display - permanently, according to my sources. All you can see, are a couple of coifs and a sugarloaf hat :-( Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: Sent: 19 August 2002 19:24 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online > Okay, cat's out of the bag on this one, but I'll be in London from > Sept. 4-12 and I am definately planning on going to the 3 "major" > museums (to me, anyway): V&A, Museum of London and the National > Gallery. What I can't seem to figure out is what, if any, kinds > photography are allowed. Can anyone elaborate? > > Great pics, Drea! Whetting my appatite for the real thing... :) > > Sarah > http://www.elizabethanlady.com > > > Guys, > > > > I have the first installment of my photos from the V&A up on the > website: > > http://costume.dm.net/va/ > > > > And some scans of costume at the Bath Museum: > http://costume.dm.net/bath/ > > > > There's a lot more in the works, that should be up soon. > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Drea > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > Sarah > http://www.elizabethanlady.com > "Absence of evidence, isn't necessarily evidence of absence." > -Carl > Sagan > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:17:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04790 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:17:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKJbY12157; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKJau20033; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JJUDu20062 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:30:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-4.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.64.4] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17gsE7-0005wM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:30:12 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c247b9$41103be0$044086d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <20020819171800.51276.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:47:29 +0100 Status: RO Yes indeed, Drea, lovely photos of the V & A stuff. The Bath shirts and the jacket are available as postcards, for anyonme who is interested. They also do a p/card of the silver tissue bodice and petticoat of c1660. I'm going to do more research there on Friday - can't wait..thanks for increasing my anticipation and excitement! Three visits in three months...drool, drool! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: 19 August 2002 18:18 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online > THANK YOU Drea!!! These are fantastic, three huzzahs to your camera and to you > taking the pictures. > > Nicole - happy > > --- Drea Leed wrote: > Guys, > > > > I have the first installment of my photos from the V&A up on the website: > > http://costume.dm.net/va/ > > > > And some scans of costume at the Bath Museum: http://costume.dm.net/bath/ > > > > There's a lot more in the works, that should be up soon. > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Drea > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:17:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04798 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:17:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKJjY12195; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKJiu20161; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JJZTu23242 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:35:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.67] (as3-4-81.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.67]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7JJZQ820896 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005101c24749$1e865520$b3664ed5@pavilion> References: <43.102885c9.2a91e697@aol.com> <005101c24749$1e865520$b3664ed5@pavilion> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:54:12 -0700 Status: RO At 7:24 AM +0100 8/19/02, Melanie Wilson wrote: > >Well, there was a law passed during the middle ages saying it was against >the law for Women to dress as Men. They wouldn't have made a law if there >wasn't a reason too. > >Are you able to give a full citation for this law ? I've heard it banded >about a bit but no citation. One law in one areas might prove something for >that time & place but should be warily viewed for all places & all the >medieval period. Not necessarily in response to the specific question, a good collection of articles covering a wide variety of contexts and circumstances in which medieval women dressed (or were said to have dressed -- in the case of literature) as men can be found in: Hotchkiss, Valerie R.. 1996. Clothes Make the Man: Female Cross Dressing in Medieval Europe. Garland Publishing Inc, New York. ISBN 0-8153-3771-x (I'm not positive at the moment about the last couple words of the title because they're cut off in my on-line catalog.) By my recollection, you are more likely to run into formal prohibitions against cross-dressing in Church law than in secular law. (I'm vaguely remembering one case, although I think it may have been Early Modern rather than medieval, where a woman received official dispensation for the Pope to continue wearing men's clothes.) In my opinion, while there's a certain validity to the argument "they wouldn't have made a law unless people were doing it", that argument glosses over the problem that the category of "illegal things people were doing" ranges from activities that were considered trivially harmless by general society (just try not to get caught) to things that were considered unthinkable by general society (where the potential legal penalties would be the least of your problems). Discovering specific laws (whether religious or secular) against cross-dressing by women is a first step to exploring the historic parameters of the practice, but it doesn't itself establish those parameters. One of the factors pointed out by the Dekker et al. book I mentioned yesterday is that the relative "explosion" of evidence for passing women beginning around the later 16th century is not simply a matter of more complete legal records, but accompanies a significant increase in geographic mobility (or at least displacement) among the lower economic classes. It's very hard to suddenly decide to pass as a man if you're still living in the same town or the same city neighborhood, interacting with the same people. The book also suggests that the connection between passing women and the military (in the context of the rise of "modern" armies) is not accidental -- it being easier for a stranger with no local connections and no useful personal references to sign onto the new style of "professional" army, than to get civilian employment. (This relates back to the re-enactor topic in that, while it wasn't the case that large numbers of soldiers were passing women, it _does_ seem to have been the case that large numbers of passing women were soldiers.) The general topic of pre-modern women living outside the "normal" social parameters is one I've tended to collect research materials on. In addition to the survey works mention in this and my previous post, I've got references for a number of specific case studies, but they're less likely to be useful to someone interested in looking at the general phenomenon. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:17:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04794 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:17:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKJfY12179; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKJfu20106; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JJZNu23164 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g7JJZAAh008401 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:35:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208191935.g7JJZAAh008401@jabberwock.wonderland.com> To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] sad news -- Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I just went to lacis.com and discovered that Kaethe Kliot, the founder of the store, passed away this weekend. For more information, see their tribute on the site -- http://www.lacis.com/ .heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04802 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:17:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKJqY12231; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKJpu20285; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JJZVu23277 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:35:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.67] (as3-4-81.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.67]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7JJZT820916 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D6113C2.DBEF1064@bigpond.com> References: <3D6113C2.DBEF1064@bigpond.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Man's overcoat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:03:18 -0700 Status: RO At 8:50 AM -0700 8/19/02, Claire Clarke wrote: >Hi all, > wondering if anyone can answer this question. It's not important, just >curiosity. >I am currently using an overcoat that my husband inherited from his mad >old >great uncle. It's a marvellous coat. Rather old, and beautifully made. >When I was >a kid I alway wanted a inside breast pocket like my dad had, and was >very grumpy >that girls' coats never had them. Now I have a coat with one I always >forget it is >there because I'm not used to it (also it is more like waist level 'cos >I'm short >but never mind). Anyway, the question is this: just below said inside >breast pocket >there is a small button, and about six inches below that another the >same size. There >similar buttons in similar places on the opposite side. These buttons >are too small >to be 'spares' for the outer buttons, and there are no apparent button >holes for >them. Anyone know what these buttons are for? > >Claire >(it's a double breasted coat if that makes any difference) > This may be a silly question, but bear with me because you can look at the coat and I can't. Do the small inside buttons, by any chance, line up with the large outer buttons? Sometimes small buttons are used behind large ones as a "stop" to prevent the large button from tearing out of the fabric. (I've done this on coats frequently.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:17:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04806 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:17:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKJuY12252; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKJtu20337; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JJgau27428 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1300JFIW2Z7N@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers In-reply-to: <079201c2476e$37b245c0$a4784ed5@melaniew> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020819121608.04c2b210@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:17:11 -0700 Status: RO > >. I hate skirts, >and that's my final word *laughs* > >But the Baroque skirts you wear are so nice :) > >I used to hate skirts but as I age I have actually grown to like them in the >right situations. I guess we mellow with age ;) the older I get, the less time I spend in skirts. Different people must mellow differently, I guess. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:21:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04839 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:21:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKN9Y12638; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:23:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKN8u22453; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKMtu22308 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:22:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17gt33-0004v6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:22:49 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] sad news -- X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:22:49 -0400 Status: RO Oh no! I was *just* there a few weekends ago and she was sitting there like always, at the table, keeping an eye on everyone. How sad... :( Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com > > > I just went to lacis.com and discovered that Kaethe Kliot, the founder of > the store, passed away this weekend. For more information, see their tribute on the > site -- http://www.lacis.com/ > > .heather. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:32:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04887 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:32:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKY3Y13944; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:34:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKY1u29416; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JKX5u28727 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:33:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Mon Aug 19 15:33:01 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:33:02 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:32:51 -0500 Status: RO Thanks for the photos Drea! Especially the ones from Bath :). Can't wait to see the rest. While I'm at it, thanks to everyone that has the opportunity to post pictures of their costumes and research on the web. I'm a very visual learner and really enjoy these. Catherine PS to Robin: "ditzy" is not a work I would every have associated with you. Maybe a little 'intense' at times, but *never* ditzy :). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 16:47:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04972 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:47:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JKn2Y15507; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JKn0u08610; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JKmfu08381 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:48:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Mon Aug 19 15:48:39 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:48:40 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Drea's pics from the V&A Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:48:37 -0500 Status: RO Anyone else recognize the black bobbin lace on the smock from Le Pompe? My copy is at home but I think I've worked this one. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 17:01:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05053 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:01:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JL32Y17037; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JL31u17757; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JL25u17227 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:02:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.67] (as3-4-81.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.67]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7JL23816514 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <06f101c24799$99858cf0$9865fea9@jeanne> References: <20020818212706.23125.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <062501c24700$e029c0c0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> <06f101c24799$99858cf0$9865fea9@jeanne> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:55:09 -0700 Status: RO At 12:00 PM -0400 8/19/02, Jeanne Harney wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" > > >> Birds' respiratory systems are 70 (not a typo) times more sensitive than a >> human's. Those sprays give off chemicals that are toxic to a bird, where >it >> may not affect you at all. But you have to wonder--if it can injure or >even >> (admittedly rare) KILL a bird, how good can it be for you? >> >> Dianne > >Not to mention that in over 20 years of breeding exotic birds and rescuing >same, I have never YET seen a pet bird with lice or mites. Period. They >simply don't get them unless they're in contact with outside birds. >(exception - budgies tend to get scalyface mites but rarely, usually from >unsanitary pet store conditions) >However, I've seen half a dozen cases of toxicity from either those sprays >or from "mite protectors" that birds have gotten into. The mite protectors >are napthalene (moth balls) so you might want to try those either instead >of/in addition to the sprays. On the other hand, captive-bred exotic birds aren't the only situation in which someone might want to treat a bird for parasites. I volunteered for the UC Davis bird of prey rehabilitation center back in the late '70s, and one of our standard health concerns was to check and treat for parasites of various types. Yes, the birds sometimes had them, and removing them wasn't a matter of unwarranted paranoia but a matter of drastically improving the bird's chances for survival on release. And, of course, in the context of the present question (how to kill parasites on feathers that may well come from wild birds) the question of bird-toxicity isn't relevant, and people are quite likely to be dealing with feathers from wild or free-roaming birds. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 17:05:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05090 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:05:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JL75Y17804; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JL73u20164; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JL66u19596 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g7JL5wDK009175 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:05:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208192105.g7JL5wDK009175@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays (copy of V&A pink ones) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "=?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?=" at Aug 19, 2002 06:38:51 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO nicole those are gorgeous -- have you written up the making of them anywhere? I'd love to see more detail! more more more! ahem. .heather. > > At last, I have to say! I never managed to get a halfway decent photo of me in > the red stays. Is it because I was just unlucky or because I'm ugly? *laughs* > Don't answer! Here it is: > > http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/red-stays.jpg > > I have to say though that I dressed myself and didn't have my mirror with me > *grumble* I forgot the period framed mirror at ghome. I should have pulled the > stomacher up higher and can see now that I should really try to lace it from > the bottom up and not top down, but bottom up is impossible when doing it > alone, the stomacher always slips down. Hmmm... The top is a tad too tight, it > should be laced in a more perfectly shaped V. Nevermind, next time.. > Did anybody tell me though? noooooo... *slaps BF* > > Here is a picture from the back: > > http://www.kipar.org/h-costume/red-stays-back.jpg > > And last but not least the lovely page that Drea just announced with her > fantastic photos of the pink 1660s stays in the V&A. (no, pink is not my > colour.... that's why mine is cherry red :-) > > http://costume.dm.net/va/pc.html > > Nicole - who wants to have the pink lady's waist! > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 17:15:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05179 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:15:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JLH3Y20101; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLH2u26276; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLGDu25801 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:16:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-121-190.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.121.190]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJX35155; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:16:02 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <004001c247c6$09ccab20$be794ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <43.102885c9.2a91e697@aol.com><005101c24749$1e865520$b3664ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:19:00 +0100 Status: RO >Hotchkiss, Valerie R.. 1996. Clothes Make the Man: Female Cross Dressing in Medieval Europe. Garland Publishing Inc, New York. ISBN 0-8153-3771-x Got that & read it, good book but not IMHO balanced, ie to me it has strong femanist bias, just as much of history has a strong male. I'd love to see books that really look at the situation rather than demonstrate a huge bias, some is inevitable admittedly but a better aim at objectivity would be nice. >By my recollection, you are more likely to run into formal prohibitions against cross-dressing in Church law than in secular law. (I'm vaguely remembering one case, although I think it may have been Early Modern rather than medieval, where a woman received official dispensation for the Pope to continue wearing men's clothes.) Often it is OK by the Church is you are protecting your honour from what I've read. >to things that were considered unthinkable by general society (where the potential legal penalties would be the least of your problems). This is a good point & if it was so culturally unacceptable , less laws would be needed, law for petty things can be seen a a control measure for political reasons for instance Mel . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 17:19:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05191 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:19:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JLLhY20810; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:21:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLJ1u27431; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLIPu27061 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-121-190.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.121.190]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJX35283; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:18:15 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <004901c247c6$58912880$be794ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020819121608.04c2b210@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:21:12 +0100 Status: RO >the older I get, the less time I spend in skirts. Different people must mellow differently, I guess I didn't say I spent any more time in them I just like being in them for the time I'm in them more :) Actually timewise I spend less time than I used to in skirts too. Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 17:21:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05201 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:21:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JLNFY20969; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLNEu00294; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:23:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JLJJu27626 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819211917.14806.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:19:17 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays (copy of V&A pink ones) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208192105.g7JL5wDK009175@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:19:17 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Heather Meadows wrote: > nicole those are gorgeous -- have you written up the making of them > anywhere? I'd love to see more detail! more more more! > > ahem. *laughs* I know that feeling of greed, Heather, I always always want more pictures! Sadly though, I did not make them, they are beyond my sewing skills and deinitely so! each and every boning channel is as tiny as in the original, about 5 mm or so. It was made by Harriet Waterhouse, and is linen lined, made from red taffeta silk and bound with red linen tape. I will make really close-up photos when I have my digicam (after Christmas :-) just in case the pix can be of help to people. Re dress/clothes diary? I could/should have made one for Ben's breeches, waistcoat and coat and shirt but alas, as usual while I was making it I had run completely out of time! :-))) Nicole - a very slow sewer :-( ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 17:24:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05216 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:24:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JLQ2Y21198; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLQ1u01861; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JLP6u01338 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:25:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819212505.53825.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:25:05 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001501c247b9$41103be0$044086d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:25:05 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Helen Partner wrote: > Yes indeed, Drea, lovely photos of the V & A stuff. > > The Bath shirts and the jacket are available as postcards, for anyonme who > is interested. They also do a p/card of the silver tissue bodice and > petticoat of c1660. I'm going to do more research there on Friday - can't > wait..thanks for increasing my anticipation and excitement! Three visits in > three months...drool, drool! Helen!!!! *bounces excitedly up and down* Could you please, please buy all of the costuming postcards for me? Of the above? And if they have ANYthing that ranges between, say 1600-1750, please buy that too? *begs on knees* I won't make it to Bath for a while, I could send you a cheque? *hopes* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 17:24:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05220 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:24:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JLQ7Y21214; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLQ6u01934; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:26:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLPRu01528 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g7JLPJZ1009368 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:25:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208192125.g7JLPJZ1009368@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays (copy of V&A pink ones) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "=?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?=" at Aug 19, 2002 10:19:17 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO are they boned with reed? .heather. > > --- Heather Meadows wrote: > nicole those are gorgeous > -- have you written up the making of them > > anywhere? I'd love to see more detail! more more more! > > > > ahem. > > *laughs* I know that feeling of greed, Heather, I always always want more > pictures! > Sadly though, I did not make them, they are beyond my sewing skills and > deinitely so! each and every boning channel is as tiny as in the original, > about 5 mm or so. It was made by Harriet Waterhouse, and is linen lined, made > from red taffeta silk and bound with red linen tape. I will make really > close-up photos when I have my digicam (after Christmas :-) just in case the > pix can be of help to people. > Re dress/clothes diary? I could/should have made one for Ben's breeches, > waistcoat and coat and shirt but alas, as usual while I was making it I had run > completely out of time! :-))) > > Nicole - a very slow sewer :-( > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 17:28:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05253 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:28:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JLU4Y21662; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLU3u04291; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JLTuu04192 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:29:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819212955.54494.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:29:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c247b8$8d65aa80$044086d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:29:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Helen Partner wrote: > Hello, > > Yes, you can take photos at the V & A, but I'm, afraid that unless you've > made a prior appointment to view anything from b4 1700, you'll be sadly > disappointed, as they've taken it all off display - permanently, according > to my sources. All you can see, are a couple of coifs and a sugarloaf hat > :-( Fortunately I took lots of photos (though before the era of affordable digi cams) of the items that are now in conservation. Just as a reminder, they are all online, feel free to download them for your own PERSONAL use: 16th: http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/renaissance.html 17th: http://www.kipar.org/costumes_survive.html (links on bottom) 18th: http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/female_rococo.html (female) http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/male_rococo.html (male) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 17:33:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05398 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:33:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JLZ6Y22202; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLZ3u07430; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JLYeu07190 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819213440.16501.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:34:40 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays (copy of V&A pink ones) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <011801c247a9$d48905b0$93994cd8@sgrochoski> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:34:40 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Apollonia Margherita wrote: > How do you get your hair to do that!!! It's so pretty! And the corset > looks good too...LOL > > Apollonia Ssshh.... *whispers* I wear wigs! I have them specially made. My real hair is neck length and a similar colour (due to the miracles of hair dye hiding an abundance of grey hair) ;-) Nicole - whose elaborate hair styles take appr. 2 minutes to 'create' (or shall I say 'pop on'?) ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 17:35:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05411 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:35:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JLb3Y22340; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLb1u08450; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7JLaIu08104 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:36:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020819213618.49672.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:36:18 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays (copy of V&A pink ones) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208192125.g7JLPJZ1009368@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:36:18 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Heather Meadows wrote: > are they boned with reed? > > .heather. Oh no, artificial whalebone, the original ones are boned with whalebone. Harriet uses the stuff from Wissner and slices it into the required thin bits. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 17:40:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05437 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:40:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JLg3Y22809; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLg2u11421; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cs666879-113.catrio.org (cs666879-113.austin.rr.com [66.68.79.113]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLfWu11133 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from ddoug@localhost) by cs666879-113.catrio.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g7JLfVd03080; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:41:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15713.26122.857366.981052@cs666879-113.austin.rr.com> From: Debra Douglass To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice In-Reply-To: Heather Rose Jones's message about Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice References: <20020818212706.23125.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <062501c24700$e029c0c0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> <06f101c24799$99858cf0$9865fea9@jeanne> X-Mailer: VM 7.05 under Emacs 20.7.1 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:41:30 -0500 Status: RO On 8/19/2002, on h-costume@indra.com, Heather Rose Jones wrote: >>And, of course, in the context of the present question (how to kill >>parasites on feathers that may well come from wild birds) the >>question of bird-toxicity isn't relevant, and people are quite likely >>to be dealing with feathers from wild or free-roaming birds. I did forget in my previous post to mention that many exotic bird breeders (i.e. parrots) advocate the use of 5% Sevin dust (available in the USA) as moderately safe in the treatment of mites on parrots. So if you happen to have some around (useful with gardeners) you can put your feathers in a bag with some Sevin Dust and shake real good. -Debra -- .------------------------------------------------------------------. |Debra Douglass ddoug@catrio.org http://www.catrio.org| `------------------------------------------------------------------' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 17:46:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05469 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:46:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JLm2Y23474; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLm1u14928; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JLlAu14446 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A1010F457 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A1B7610F07F for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01f601c247c9$d75d4dd0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020818212706.23125.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <062501c24700$e029c0c0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> <06f101c24799$99858cf0$9865fea9@jeanne> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Feather mites & lice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:46:14 -0400 Status: RO > And, of course, in the context of the present question (how to kill > parasites on feathers that may well come from wild birds) the > question of bird-toxicity isn't relevant, and people are quite likely > to be dealing with feathers from wild or free-roaming birds. > > Heather My original point was not the health of a bird--it was that, knowing that these nasty things can kill a bird, I would handle them with caution. Wear a mask, and use in a well ventilated area. Better safe than sorry. Dianne slave to six very noisy and demanding birdies, none of whom have lice or mites! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 18:07:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05569 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:07:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JM94Y27061; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JM92u28976; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JM8lu28791 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.170] (pm5-170.eos.net [205.133.149.170]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11403 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:08:44 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020819201944.13050.44872.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: sleeved stays Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:07:46 -0400 Status: RO All right Drea and Nicole, I'll ask. Why would anyone wear sleeves with stays? I thought "stays" meant either an undergarment or a lower-class overgarment that did the job of a corset and bodice in one. But this is too fancy to be lower-class, isn't it? Or am I not getting something? And the real one makes me think: OUCH!!! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 18:12:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05630 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:12:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JME5Y28115; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JME4u02550; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03bw.bigpond.com (mta03bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JMDhu02290 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:13:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.69]) by mta03bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta03bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H1432N00.BWM for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:13:35 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.14 ([203.54.114.14]) by bwmam01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 2/25742246); 20 Aug 2002 08:13:30 Message-ID: <3D625E0B.2D3E7B7D@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] exceptions to rules References: <20020819164908.14961.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:19:39 -0700 Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > --- Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Coming in on the middle of > this--some monasteries were both-gendered. > > Hildegard of Bingen belonged to one of them for a time, if memory serves. > > > > Arlys > > > Hm, yes, double monasteries, but didn't those cease after the synod of.. uhm.. > of... oh demmit my memory is not what it was once. Don't think it was Whitby, > now was it? that was the one where the Easter calendar was cemented in favour > of the gregorian and not the celtic. > I didn't check out the story, what is the date of the cemetery? > Fontevrault was a mixed community, governed by an abbess, and that was founded in the 11th century I believe Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 18:27:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05719 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:27:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JMTCY01511; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:29:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JMT9u12699; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:29:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02bw.bigpond.com (mta02bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JMSTu12288 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:28:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.69]) by mta02bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta02bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H143RA00.GV1 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:28:22 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.14 ([203.54.114.14]) by bwmam01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 2/25775694); 20 Aug 2002 08:28:17 Message-ID: <3D626183.6871C168@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers References: <07f801c24771$756931a0$a4784ed5@melaniew> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:34:27 -0700 Status: RO Melanie Wilson wrote: > > > > I know, I know, and I can't walk/move in them! well, I can, but what I mean > is > I can't do what I do in real life! > > Which bring us back to are they like that to limit your liberation (or were > they) > > >Trousers and big billowy linen shirts, give that to me any day. :-) > > I'm more your combats & T shirts girl :) > Maybe you two just aren't used to them, because I love skirts and I wear long flowing skirts quite often mundanely and I have no difficulties walking/dancing whatever (I've even ridden a bicycle in a long skirt). I'm always the first to leap up and protest when someone says 'and of course they couldn't have done x while they were wearing y'. I mean there are a few obvious limitations (like you say in a later mail Mel, I wouldn't like to ride astride with no undies on), but in period (at least in 'mediaeval' times), women did a lot of the things men did (even go into combat - not in fixed battles, but to defend their castle/town - as women not as men) wearing long skirts and so forth. It may have been an unconscious attempt to remove liberty (I can see the point of that for upper class women, but not for lower who had to do a lot of physical work), but I don't think it would have been that much of a limitation for people used to them. Claire (curiously enough the thing I most wear trousers for is going to work where I sit in front of a computer all day) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 18:49:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05882 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:49:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JMp3Y06012; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:51:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JMp2u26693; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JMo7u26251 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:50:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04708 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:52:34 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of fabric not color (was: Linen) In-Reply-To: <001801c247a7$3ba0ce20$6501a8c0@Home> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:52:34 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Saragrace knauf wrote: > I really think the issue here is that I did not communicate well that > all I was trying to provide was another example where there was use of > a word that was, at one point in time, used to convey textile type > where we might interpret it today as a "colour"... > I wasn't trying to present the source as thoroughly defensible, or > well researched, just a point of commonality that folks on the list > might find interesting. Oh, Saragrace, I wasn't criticizing you, and certainly not holding you responsible for the source! And my point was tangential to yours -- I was moving on from the idea of the word changing from "textile type" to "color" (no quibbles there) and making the side note that the authors evidently assumed that the original colors were dyed rather than the natural wool color. Since I could envision that people might save or refer to that quote, I thought it would be useful to point out the minor error, which as you say, does not detract from the major point about the change in meaning of the word -- as the authors wrote, "the word entered English as a marker of class rather than color." No question about that at all. Looking back, I can see I didn't make my slight shift in topic clear, and for that I apologize. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 19:11:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06236 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:11:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JND5Y09541; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JND3u10172; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JNC5u09678 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:12:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.201]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020819231203.IAKV28874.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:12:03 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online Message-ID: <3D61893E.27199.1FD3F7@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:11:42 +0100 Status: RO On 19 Aug 2002 at 14:24, Sarah Lorraine wrote: > Okay, cat's out of the bag on this one, but I'll be in London from > Sept. 4-12 and I am definately planning on going to the 3 "major" > museums (to me, anyway): V&A, Museum of London and the National > Gallery. What I can't seem to figure out is what, if any, kinds > photography are allowed. Can anyone elaborate? Don't know, I'm afraid: but I'd suggest adding the British Museum to the list. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 19:24:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06459 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:24:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JNQCY10507; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:26:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JNQAu15867; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:26:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f257.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.132]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JNPdu15621 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:25:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:25:34 -0700 Received: from 65.70.197.200 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:25:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.70.197.200] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 23:25:34.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[B772A5C0:01C247D7] Subject: [h-cost] button, buton, who's got the buttons? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:25:33 +0000 Status: RO Hi - A friend of mine is trying her hand at making cloth buttons like those in the MoL Textiles and Clothing book. She said she tried the method in the book, and was very unsatisfied. Can anyone else suggest something? (method, extant examples, alternate button types, etc.) This would be 14th century... Thanks! Mary/Katerine _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 19:34:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06610 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:34:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7JNa9Y11216; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:36:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JNa8u20177; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7JNZlu19943 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:35:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #6) id 17gw3m-0002Ca-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:35:46 -0400 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Old sewing machines to charity? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020819080431.19342.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:44:44 -0400 Status: RO NIcole, some of us collect these old sewing machines and fix them up and SEW on them. Please do not throw it away without at least posting me a picture so I could see if I want to pay the shipping to get it to me. -Megan Nicole posted: I suddenly remembered that I heard 'somewhere' that there are charities collecting old sewing machines that are specifically NOT dependant on electricity to fix them or just get them back into great shape and ship them to third world countries. Is that true? We have one at home, in its box and everything, I really don't want to throw it away, it would be a shame. Anyone having any ideas or heard of this? Thanks Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 20:19:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06965 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:19:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K0L6Y14296; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K0L4u07194; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from broadviewnet.net (unix1-skge0.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K0Kau07032 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:20:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 27521 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2002 00:20:35 -0000 Received: from unix9.broadviewnet.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (64.115.0.150) by signup.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 20 Aug 2002 00:20:35 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020819200402.00acd070@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <20020815034029.8228.48206.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_45599650==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1193 - 15 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:23:31 -0400 Status: RO --=====================_45599650==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:40 PM 8/14/02 -0600, you wrote: >I have been working on an italian Ren gown for a friend--purple velvet >over a silver and black brocade. Both fabrics are beautiful, but the >brocade frays if you approach it with scissors, and the velvet has left >velvet poop ALL over my kitchen! My sewing machine is a quivering mound >of lint, the floor is ankle deep in threads, the wooden table is taking >on a velvet tinge...and I HAVE to clean it all up so the baby doesn't >get into/poked by a pin/ eat velvet poop. (yes, he is at the " I must >eat everything I see" stage). Yup. And There's only a handful of people I'd trust to sew for me. Thank you Di!!! I love the look of velvet, but I have to use a dust mask when I work with it, else I start coughing and sneezing velvet lint. >Anyway, the recipient of this gown (and it is actually quite pretty, if >a bitch to sew) had BETTER send me pictures. As she is in New York, and >I'm in Pennsylvania, in person photo sessions are not an option. You will get professional pics, as I'm going to go to a studio and have them done *grin* Just think, Di.. if this fits perfectly I will have you do the same thing in that blue and gold brocade I found!!! Victoria Wickens Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://www.castlecloset.cc Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations/ --=====================_45599650==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 09:40 PM 8/14/02 -0600, you wrote:
I have been working on an italian Ren gown for a friend--purple velvet
over a silver and black brocade. Both fabrics are beautiful, but the
brocade frays if you approach it with scissors, and the velvet has left
velvet poop ALL over my kitchen!  My sewing machine is a quivering mound
of lint, the floor is ankle deep in threads, the wooden table is taking
on a velvet tinge...and I HAVE to clean it all up so the baby doesn't
get into/poked by a pin/ eat velvet poop. (yes, he is at the " I must
eat everything I see" stage).

Yup.  And There's only a handful of people I'd trust to sew for me.  Thank you Di!!!  I love the look of velvet, but I have to use a dust mask when I work with it, else I start coughing and sneezing velvet lint.

Anyway, the recipient of this gown (and it is actually quite pretty, if
a bitch to sew) had BETTER send me pictures. As she is in New York, and
I'm in Pennsylvania, in person photo sessions are not an option.

You will get professional pics, as I'm going to go to a studio and have them done *grin*  Just think, Di.. if this fits perfectly I will have you do the same thing in that blue and gold brocade I found!!!

Victoria Wickens
Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://www.castlecloset.cc
Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations/

--=====================_45599650==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 20:36:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07065 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:36:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K0c3Y15333; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K0c2u12832; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K0bEu12583 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:37:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.191.bc511b9 (3996) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:37:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <191.bc511b9.2a92e92b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_191.bc511b9.2a92e92b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:36:59 EDT Status: RO --part1_191.bc511b9.2a92e92b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/18/02 10:22:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, MelanieWilson@bigfoot.com writes: > Hard one that. I guess you need to define dress up as a man. I wear trousers > as a general rule (in real life) which to me is not dressing up as a man. > But I do love edge weapon fighting (as I mentioned I would not be so keen > for real) But for practical purposes one is better dressed 'as a man' if > you > put you metaphorical historical specs on :) > Greetings All! I know I am behind, but I am trying to catch up. I am in the SCA and I fence. Not only do I fence, but I fence in a full length Elizabethan skirt and bodice. My skirt falls to the ground, it is not shortened for stepping, it is just really full! Now, I am not looking for a conversation about the pros and cons of women fighting in skirts, it is just what I do. The reason I do it, is as I said yesterday, I can't pass for a guy, but also to make the point that a) women can and did fight in skirts and b) to try to effect (or is that affect) my pet peeve, that women don't have to dress like men to fight like men! Just me though. Kit --part1_191.bc511b9.2a92e92b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/18/02 10:22:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, MelanieWilson@bigfoot.com writes:


Hard one that. I guess you need to define dress up as a man. I wear trousers
as a general rule (in real life) which to me is not dressing up as a man.
But I do love edge weapon fighting (as I mentioned I would not be so keen
for real) But for practical purposes one is better dressed 'as a man' if you
put you metaphorical historical specs on :)


Greetings All!

I know I am behind, but I am trying to catch up.  I am in the SCA and I fence.  Not only do I fence, but I fence in a full length Elizabethan skirt and bodice.  My skirt falls to the ground, it is not shortened for stepping, it is just really full!  Now, I am not looking for a conversation about the pros and cons of women fighting in skirts, it is just what I do.  The reason I do it, is as I said yesterday, I can't pass for a guy, but also to make the point that a) women can and did fight in skirts and b) to try to effect (or is that affect) my pet peeve, that women don't have to dress like men to fight like men!

Just me though.

Kit
--part1_191.bc511b9.2a92e92b_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 20:56:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07145 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:56:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K0w4Y16447; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K0w2u19118; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K0v0u18790 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5B610F515 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CD7B610F28B for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006f01c247e4$5aad0800$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020819200402.00acd070@mail.broadviewnet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1193 - 15 msgs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C247C2.D1C34CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:55:58 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C247C2.D1C34CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just think, Di.. if this fits perfectly I will have you do the same = thing in that blue and gold brocade I found!!! oooohhhhh......purty brocade...love velvet and brocade..hate ratzle = fratzle (*^&^ grommets!!!!! Dianne Victoria Wickens Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://www.castlecloset.cc Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations/ ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C247C2.D1C34CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
  Just think, Di.. if this fits perfectly I will have you do = the=20 same thing in that blue and gold brocade I found!!!
 
oooohhhhh......purty brocade...love velvet and = brocade..hate=20 ratzle fratzle (*^&^ grommets!!!!!


Dianne


Victoria Wickens
Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://www.castlecloset.cc
Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations/
<= BR>

------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C247C2.D1C34CA0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 20:56:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07149 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:56:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K0wEY16464; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K0wEu19202; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K0vLu18911 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:57:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust129.tnt1.monroe.nc.da.uu.net ([67.226.238.129]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17gxKh-0003jN-00; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:57:20 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie for Late-Period Spaniards and Costume From: Grace Morris To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c2472d$39c35c00$6501a8c0@Home> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:04:40 -0400 Status: RO For a lot of pictures: http://www.juanalaloca.com/ on 8/18/02 11:05 PM, Saragrace knauf at saragrace@earthlink.net wrote: > Very cool. I have a CD called Music for Joan the Mad. Apparently she > was quite the connoisseur of music and wrote some of her own. It is > very dark music but lovely, with a lot of Moorish influence. > > **-----Original Message----- > **From: h-costume-admin@indra.com > **[mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger > **Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:57 PM > **To: h-costume@indra.com > **Subject: [h-cost] Movie for Late-Period Spaniards and Costume > ** > ** > **Oooh, look, everybody! Another yummy-looking costume flick! > **Someone was kind enough to post this to one of the > **SCA-related lists I'm on. Some of the costumes look very > **"Flemish" to me--like the ones you see on women in the > **tapestries of the period. --Sue, hoping she can get her hands > **on a copy > ** > ** > **"Mad Love" -spanish produced film in limited release august 30th. > **Hopefully one of the "art" theatres in the metro area will be showing > **it. > ** > **the premise: > ** > ** In 1504, the Queen of Spain - Juana de Castilla, who ascends to the > **throne when her mother and older brothers die - finds herself slowly > **losing her grasp on her sanity as the pressures of her kingdom and > **the discovery of her husband's prolific infidelity takes its toll on > **her mental health. Her husband takes advantage of this situation and > **has his wife declared insane and sent to the Monastery of Las > **Huelgas, proclaiming himself the new king. > ** > **Check out the web site, especially the gallery. > ** > ** > **http://www.sonyclassics.com/madlove/index-withflash.html > **_______________________________________________ > **h-costume mailing list > **h-costume@mail.indra.com > **http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ** > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 21:05:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07205 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:05:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K174Y17026; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K173u22022; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K16vu21974 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:06:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.197.bb24428 (4426) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:06:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <197.bb24428.2a92f025@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_197.bb24428.2a92f025_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:06:45 EDT Status: RO --part1_197.bb24428.2a92f025_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/18/02 11:23:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, MelanieWilson@bigfoot.com writes: > Are you able to give a full citation for this law ? I've heard it banded > about a bit but no citation. One law in one areas might prove something for > that time & place but should be warily viewed for all places & all the > medieval period. > Mel, I will happily give you one as soon as I finish moving! Remind me in about two weeks... I promise to dig it up for you then, but since I have already packed the book boxes and the boxes with my research papers in them. So, I am loath to unpack those boxes. Kit --part1_197.bb24428.2a92f025_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/18/02 11:23:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, MelanieWilson@bigfoot.com writes:


Are you able to give a full citation for this law ? I've heard it banded
about a bit but no citation. One law in one areas might prove something for
that time & place but should be warily viewed for all places & all the
medieval period.


Mel, I will happily give you one as soon as I finish moving!  Remind me in about two weeks...  I promise to dig it up for you then, but since I have already packed the book boxes and the boxes with my research papers in them.  So, I am loath to unpack those boxes.

Kit
--part1_197.bb24428.2a92f025_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 21:14:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07243 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:14:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K1G4Y17546; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1G3u24884; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1FRu24686 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.46.2c489426 (4426) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:15:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <46.2c489426.2a92f227@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_46.2c489426.2a92f227_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Nicole's Group (was cross-dressing) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:15:19 EDT Status: RO --part1_46.2c489426.2a92f227_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the response! I have to ask, since either I missed it, or I have packed my brain (it could be either or both) but what kind of group do you run? What do you have for ladies to do in your group? I finally joined the SCA because it didn't leave me feeling like a slave or a bored little doll! As to that, what about others out there? Kit --part1_46.2c489426.2a92f227_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the response!

I have to ask, since either I missed it, or I have packed my brain (it could be either or both) but what kind of group do you run?  What do you have for ladies to do in your group?  I finally joined the SCA because it didn't leave me feeling like a slave or a bored little doll!

As to that, what about others out there?

Kit
--part1_46.2c489426.2a92f227_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 21:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07255 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:17:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K1J3Y17707; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1J2u25871; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1Ifu25676 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:18:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.41.21fab7a8 (4426) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:18:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <41.21fab7a8.2a92f2e5@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_41.21fab7a8.2a92f2e5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Treddle or Crank Machines Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:18:29 EDT Status: RO --part1_41.21fab7a8.2a92f2e5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings All! Boy, I am chatty these last few days, I think I am procrastinating from boxing up my life. Anyway, does anyone have a recommendation of places other than e-bay to find treadle and hand-crank machines? I have always wanted one of each, and haven't bought them when I had my chance, so now I am looking for them. Thanks! Kit --part1_41.21fab7a8.2a92f2e5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings All!

Boy, I am chatty these last few days, I think I am procrastinating from boxing up my life.  Anyway, does anyone have a recommendation of places other than e-bay to find treadle and hand-crank machines?  I have always wanted one of each, and haven't bought them when I had my chance, so now I am looking for them.

Thanks!
Kit
--part1_41.21fab7a8.2a92f2e5_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 21:22:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07267 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:22:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K1O6Y17978; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1O5u27482; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:24:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1NCu27173 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.5f.2be340d9 (4568) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:23:03 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <5f.2be340d9.2a92f3f7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] trim ends To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:23:03 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 8/19/2002 4:19:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net writes: << such as ribbon or guimpe IMMEDIATELY after cutting, >> For an extremely ravelly fabric, I once outlined the whole shape with Fraychek BEFORE cutting, let it dry, and then cut it out. It worked well. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 21:25:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07277 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:25:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K1R4Y18132; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:27:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1R4u28392; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:27:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1Q6u28099 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m109.in-tch.com [216.166.191.109]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7K1Bl924393 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:11:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D619C14.CBBED336@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:32:04 -0600 Status: RO Drea, if no one's told you lately, you're an absolute *goddess*! What kind of camera did you use? I'm going to both the V&A and the Costume Museum in Bath (aiming at the same items ), and I need to get a useful camera for my trip. --Sue, who got to pick up her euros and pounds at the bank today, so the trip's actually seeming real! gack! I've got *way* too much to get done..... Drea Leed wrote: > > Guys, > > I have the first installment of my photos from the V&A up on the website: > http://costume.dm.net/va/ > > And some scans of costume at the Bath Museum: http://costume.dm.net/bath/ > > There's a lot more in the works, that should be up soon. > > Enjoy! > > Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 21:27:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07291 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:27:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K1T2Y18246; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1T1u29034; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1SOu28771 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:28:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m109.in-tch.com [216.166.191.109]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7K1E5925220 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D619C9E.B55CB3AF@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:34:22 -0600 Status: RO Hey, we're going to just miss each other! I'll be in London from the 29th through the 1st. Of course, by the time you're there, they'll probably finally have managed to clean up the drool puddles I'll be leaving behind! --sue, getting excited ;-) Sarah Lorraine wrote: > > Okay, cat's out of the bag on this one, but I'll be in London from > Sept. 4-12 and I am definately planning on going to the 3 "major" > museums (to me, anyway): V&A, Museum of London and the National > Gallery. What I can't seem to figure out is what, if any, kinds > photography are allowed. Can anyone elaborate? > > Great pics, Drea! Whetting my appatite for the real thing... :) > > Sarah > http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 21:28:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07302 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:28:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K1UHY18338; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:30:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1UGu29485; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1TMu29192 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:29:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.b2.104fa2c9 (4426) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:29:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b2.104fa2c9.2a92f564_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:29:08 EDT Status: RO --part1_b2.104fa2c9.2a92f564_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/02 12:50:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, madly@2xtreme.net writes: > "The only trouble with > women's work, is that you let women do it and it they take too long!" > I love that! Can I quote you? Kit --part1_b2.104fa2c9.2a92f564_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/02 12:50:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, madly@2xtreme.net writes:


"The only trouble with
women's work, is that you let women do it and it they take too long!"


I love that!  Can I quote you?

Kit
--part1_b2.104fa2c9.2a92f564_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 21:30:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07333 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:30:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K1WEY18427; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:32:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1WEu00243; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:32:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1Vlu29952 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:31:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m109.in-tch.com [216.166.191.109]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7K1HR926352 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D619D68.157F135E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online References: <20020819212505.53825.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:37:44 -0600 Status: RO Hey, Nicole, if Helen can't, I sure can! I'll be there in just over two weeks (the 4th through the 7th of Sept.). Anything in particular you're looking for, or just everything? --Sue, incipient world traveler, at last ;-) N Kipar wrote: > > --- Helen Partner wrote: > Yes indeed, Drea, > lovely photos of the V & A stuff. > > > > The Bath shirts and the jacket are available as postcards, for anyonme who > > is interested. They also do a p/card of the silver tissue bodice and > > petticoat of c1660. I'm going to do more research there on Friday - can't > > wait..thanks for increasing my anticipation and excitement! Three visits in > > three months...drool, drool! > > Helen!!!! *bounces excitedly up and down* Could you please, please buy all of > the costuming postcards for me? Of the above? And if they have ANYthing that > ranges between, say 1600-1750, please buy that too? *begs on knees* I won't > make it to Bath for a while, I could send you a cheque? *hopes* > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 21:33:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07364 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:33:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K1Z4Y18604; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1Z3u01164; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1YHu00931 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.d6.1b15e10c (4426) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:33:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays (copy of V&A pink ones) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d6.1b15e10c.2a92f67c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:33:48 EDT Status: RO --part1_d6.1b15e10c.2a92f67c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/02 2:35:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes: > Ssshh.... *whispers* I wear wigs! I have them specially made. > My real hair is neck length and a similar colour (due to the miracles of > hair > dye hiding an abundance of grey hair) > Where do you get them? I am deprately looking for a couple of different wigs, but I can't find any decent ones that I can afford. Kit --part1_d6.1b15e10c.2a92f67c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/02 2:35:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes:


Ssshh.... *whispers* I wear wigs! I have them specially made.
My real hair is neck length and a similar colour (due to the miracles of hair
dye hiding an abundance of grey hair)


Where do you get them?  I am deprately looking for a couple of different wigs, but I can't find any decent ones that I can afford.

Kit
--part1_d6.1b15e10c.2a92f67c_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 21:33:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07369 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:33:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K1Z7Y18616; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1Z7u01186; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1Ynu01095 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:34:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m109.in-tch.com [216.166.191.109]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7K1KU927502 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:20:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D619E1F.7CDB09C@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] button, buton, who's got the buttons? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:40:47 -0600 Status: RO Teddy's done them, and says they're pretty easy...I bet he can give you some pointers when he "catches" your message. --sue, who *will* be putting them on her gowns she's making from the Manesse Codex....;-D Mary Temple wrote: > > Hi - > > A friend of mine is trying her hand at making cloth buttons like those in > the MoL Textiles and Clothing book. She said she tried the method in the > book, and was very unsatisfied. Can anyone else suggest something? (method, > extant examples, alternate button types, etc.) > > This would be 14th century... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 21:39:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07467 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:39:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K1f3Y18909; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1f2u03148; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K1efu03010 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:40:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7K1XviO000946 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:33:58 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Treadle or Crank Machines Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C247B0.81F7C4B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <41.21fab7a8.2a92f2e5@aol.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:44:54 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C247B0.81F7C4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kit, check your local Goodwill (assuming you have them where you are at). It's rare that I don't find at least one treadle there. They aren't cheap anymore ($25), but I think the old ones are of far higher quality than the ones being made for the third world today. The next place to look is small, rural town antique stores. I must admit I had to go to Germany to find my treadle/crank machine (I use the stand for my electric Pfaff because it's exactly the right height and the fold out lid/table are perfect) but I got it at a flea market for 5 Deutch Marks (about $2.50) Regina Romsey -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kitsune242@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:18 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Treddle or Crank Machines Greetings All! Boy, I am chatty these last few days, I think I am procrastinating from boxing up my life. Anyway, does anyone have a recommendation of places other than e-bay to find treadle and hand-crank machines? I have always wanted one of each, and haven't bought them when I had my chance, so now I am looking for them. Thanks! Kit ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C247B0.81F7C4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kit,=20 check your local Goodwill (assuming you have them where you are = at).  It's=20 rare that I don't find at least one treadle there.  They aren't = cheap=20 anymore ($25), but I think the old ones are of far higher quality than = the ones=20 being made for the third world today.  The next place to look is = small,=20 rural town antique stores.  I must admit I had to go to Germany to = find my=20 treadle/crank machine (I use the stand for my electric Pfaff because = it's=20 exactly the right height and the fold out lid/table are perfect) but I = got it at=20 a flea market for 5 Deutch Marks (about $2.50)
 
Regina=20 Romsey
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Greetings All!

Boy, = I am chatty=20 these last few days, I think I am procrastinating from boxing up my=20 life.  Anyway, does anyone have a recommendation of places other = than=20 e-bay to find treadle and hand-crank machines?  I have always = wanted one=20 of each, and haven't bought them when I had my chance, so now I am = looking for=20 them.

Thanks!
Kit
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C247B0.81F7C4B0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 22:53:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07724 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:53:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K2t3Y23242; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K2t2u25749; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20208.mail.yahoo.com (web20208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.63]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K2sBu25530 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:54:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820025410.78161.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.228] by web20208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:54:10 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <43.102885c9.2a91e697@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Intro Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:54:10 +1000 (EST) Status: RO Hi all, I've been lurking for a few days, so I thought I'd introduced myself. My name is Anabella, but I've shortened it to Bella for use in the SCA, so it has stuck. I'm from Innilgard, Lochac (Adelaide, South Australia). :) My interest costuming wise is sixteenth century Venice. I love almost all Italian fashion of the 16th century, but Venice is special. I wanted to learn and to share what is was that made Venice so unique, even if I only focus on the fashion aspect right now. I have put what I've learnt from many wonderful people (many of you are here on this list) and many interesting historical sources online. Of course, as I'm learning something new all the time it's still a "work in progress". :) At the moment I focus on ladies' clothing, including courtesans, and so I've named it The Realm of Venus. Unfortunately until my finances are better I don't have my own domain, so I have to use a couple of free ones. You can find all my stuff linked to at I'm looking forward to learning more. :) Anabella aka Lady Bella Lucia da Verona ORL http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 23:02:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07783 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:02:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K344Y23891; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K343u28478; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K334u28198 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-47-5.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.47.5]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7K333d190806 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:03:03 -0400 Message-ID: <00b201c247f6$2ad51610$052faf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <5f.2be340d9.2a92f3f7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] trim ends MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:03:31 -0700 Status: RO Exactly. The stuff is fabulous. I also have something called "Seams Great" which is a thin seam binding out of a ?nylon? which if you pull it curls over your seam edge and binds the fabric edges of particularly ravelly fabrics. I don't have a serger yet, or anyplace to put one, so it's my "poor man's serger"... I swear by it. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "I have no other but a woman's reason: I think him so, because I think him so." Two Gentlemen of Verona, Act I, Sc. I - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] trim ends > In a message dated 8/19/2002 4:19:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net writes: > > << such as ribbon or guimpe > IMMEDIATELY after cutting, >> > For an extremely ravelly fabric, I once outlined the whole shape with > Fraychek BEFORE cutting, let it dry, and then cut it out. It worked well. > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 23:05:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07796 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:05:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K373Y24090; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K373u29412; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K36Ku29231 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:06:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06270 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:08:47 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro In-Reply-To: <20020820025410.78161.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:08:47 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] Bella wrote: > My interest costuming wise is sixteenth century Venice. I love almost > all Italian fashion of the 16th century, but Venice is special. Hi, Bella! Nice to have you aboard. 16th c. Venice isn't my area, so I don't know what the standard sources are, but but in case you haven't already found it, you might be interested in looking up Stella Mary Newton's _Dress of the Venetians_, which covers the first quarter of the 16th century. It is definitely not her best book -- she was quite old when she wrote it -- but there may be some references, illustrations, or other tidbits in there that would make it worth the effort to find it. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 23:08:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07804 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:08:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K3AFY24303; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:10:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K3AEu00619; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:10:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20209.mail.yahoo.com (web20209.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.64]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K39au00441 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:09:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820030935.73861.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.228] by web20209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:09:35 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <43.102885c9.2a91e697@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Cross dressing laws (was cross dressing soldiers) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:09:35 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Kitsune242@aol.com wrote: > Well, there was a law passed during the middle ages > saying it was against the > law for Women to dress as Men. They wouldn't have > made a law if there wasn't > a reason too. I'd be interested in finding out about this law. I'm curious as to the "where" and "when" of this. In my own research I've come across one reference about a law to stop women dressing as men. In this case it was a 1578 law of the "Council of Ten(Venice)...that prohibits courtesans from wearing male clothes to attract men." Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 23:10:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07815 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:10:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K3CFY24475; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:12:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K3CEu01217; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:12:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20206.mail.yahoo.com (web20206.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K3BAu00929 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:11:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820031110.49894.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.228] by web20206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:11:09 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:11:09 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Drea Leed wrote: > Guys, > > I have the first installment of my photos from the > V&A up on the website: > http://costume.dm.net/va/ > > And some scans of costume at the Bath Museum: > http://costume.dm.net/bath/ > > There's a lot more in the works, that should be up > soon. > > Enjoy! > > Drea Wow. 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Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 23:15:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07839 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:15:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K3H3Y24785; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K3H2u02692; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20210.mail.yahoo.com (web20210.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K3GJu02462 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:16:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820031619.60981.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.228] by web20210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:16:19 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays (copy of V&A pink ones) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020819213618.49672.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:16:19 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > --- > Oh no, artificial whalebone, the original ones are > boned with whalebone. > Harriet uses the stuff from Wissner and slices it > into the required thin bits. > > Nicole Is Wissner a costumer's supplier? and if so are they online? 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Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 19 23:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07851 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:17:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K3J4Y24937; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:19:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K3J3u03283; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K3Ihu03164 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:18:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g7K3IZDc011681 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208200318.g7K3IZDc011681@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays (copy of V&A pink ones) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "=?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?=" at Aug 20, 2002 01:16:19 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I found the stuff at farthingales under the name "german boning" they even sell it already in 5mm width. .heather. > > --- N Kipar wrote: > --- > > > Oh no, artificial whalebone, the original ones are > > boned with whalebone. > > Harriet uses the stuff from Wissner and slices it > > into the required thin bits. > > > > Nicole > > > Is Wissner a costumer's supplier? and if so are they > online? > > > Bella > > http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To > - Get the best out of your PC! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 00:07:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08021 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:07:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K499Y27916; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:09:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K494u18132; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20202.mail.yahoo.com (web20202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K48Ru17909 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:08:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820040827.55555.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.228] by web20202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:08:27 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:08:27 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > Hi, Bella! Nice to have you aboard. Thanks Robin. :) > 16th c. Venice isn't my area, so I don't know what > the standard sources > are, but but in case you haven't already found it, > you might be interested > in looking up Stella Mary Newton's _Dress of the > Venetians It's been on my list of "must read"s for the longest time - must get around to seeing if I can get it through ILL. :) Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 00:24:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08063 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:24:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K4Q3Y28845; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:26:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K4Q2u23691; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:26:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K4PTu23545 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17h0a8-0005wJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:25:29 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of fabric not color (was: Linen) Organization: PII Message-ID: <001701c247ff$e9d3ce40$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:13:16 -0700 Status: RO Oh gosh, now I feel bad-no apology needed. Wouldn't it be nice to just be able to copy cut and paste chunks of text to each other? I think somewhere in all that they do talk about neutral colors (can't remember if they talk about wool vs. other fiber content though). If you can get your hands on the text someday I would sure like to hear your overall thoughts on it. It is a strange book, one I think I will have to reread again to grasp what their real purpose in writing it was. Sometimes their wanderings and repetitiveness make me wonder if my brain doesn't work right, or they just don't know how to write a clear research document. I find myself growling at them: "Okay I think you've made that point several times now....!) I appreciate your thoroughness and interest. Saragrace _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 00:42:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08139 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:42:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K4i3Y29749; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:44:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K4i1u28600; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K4hvu28572 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:43:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (morr0666.gti.net [208.216.122.66]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 0E80F359AA for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D61C90D.A720B503@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] sad news -- References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:43:58 -0400 Status: RO Oh my God...that is sad news. I used to speak with her often about lace and old trim..I have a video of her on the "Lynette Jenning" show. She was such a cool lady. She will be missed by many of us. ~Deb Rand > > I just went to lacis.com and discovered that Kaethe Kliot, the > founder of the store, passed away this weekend. For more information, > see their tribute on the site -- http://www.lacis.com/ > heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 00:50:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08185 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:50:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K4q3Y00323; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K4q2u00934; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K4peu00820 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:51:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m222.in-tch.com [216.166.191.222]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7K4bK927650 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:37:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D61CC3E.94CE3888@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro References: <20020820040827.55555.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:57:34 -0600 Status: RO Hi, Bella....I'm laughing, because I was a couple of sentences into your first post, and thought, oh, cool....here's somebody who does Venetian stuff, I just saw this site last week........it was *your* site. I don't have the personality to do that kind of clothing justice, but it sure looks good on you! As to "Dress of the Venetians"....I've got a photocopy, and could copy the copy for you, but probably couldn't get around to it until mid-September (my life's about to get really crazy! ) --Sue Bella wrote: > > --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > > Hi, Bella! Nice to have you aboard. > > Thanks Robin. :) > > > 16th c. Venice isn't my area, so I don't know what > > the standard sources > > are, but but in case you haven't already found it, > > you might be interested > > in looking up Stella Mary Newton's _Dress of the > > Venetians > > It's been on my list of "must read"s for the longest > time - must get around to seeing if I can get it > through ILL. :) > > Bella _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 00:57:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08230 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:57:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K4x5Y00659; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K4x5u02845; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K4wQu02705 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m222.in-tch.com [216.166.191.222]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7K4i7929423 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D61CDD8.B94DC953@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cross dressing laws (was cross dressing soldiers) References: <20020820030935.73861.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:04:24 -0600 Status: RO *snort* I wonder if the men were attracted to the cross-dressing courtesans because they looked like men , or because of the titillation factor. --Sue, whose mind goes weird places this late in the evening.... Bella wrote: > > In my own research I've come across one reference > about a law to stop women dressing as men. In this > case it was a 1578 law of the "Council of > Ten(Venice)...that prohibits courtesans from wearing > male clothes to attract men." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:00:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08259 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:00:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K52EY00935; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:02:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K52Eu03840; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:02:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20209.mail.yahoo.com (web20209.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.64]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K51Vu03587 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:01:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820050130.85562.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.228] by web20209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:01:30 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D61CC3E.94CE3888@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:01:30 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Hi, Bella....I'm laughing, because I was a couple of > sentences into your > first post, and thought, oh, cool....here's somebody > who does Venetian > stuff, I just saw this site last week........it > was *your* site.<<< LOL...cool.... :) > I > don't have the personality to do that kind of > clothing justice, but it > sure looks good on you! Thanks. Finding something that looks good on *me* is a task.... :) > As to "Dress of the Venetians"....I've got a > photocopy, and could copy > the copy for you, but probably couldn't get around > to it until > mid-September (my life's about to get really crazy! > ) > --Sue Really? :) That is very generous of you, and I would dearly love to take you up on the offer - but I'm all the way over here in Australia! The postage....small fortune..... Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:03:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08279 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:03:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K553Y01077; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:05:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K552u04581; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K54du04457 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06865 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:07:08 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Colors of fabric indicating type of fabric not color (was: Linen) In-Reply-To: <001701c247ff$e9d3ce40$6501a8c0@Home> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:07:08 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Saragrace knauf wrote: > If you can get your hands on the text someday I would sure like to > hear your overall thoughts on it. It is a strange book, one I think I > will have to reread again to grasp what their real purpose in writing > it was. Sometimes their wanderings and repetitiveness make me wonder > if my brain doesn't work right, or they just don't know how to write a > clear research document. I find myself growling at them: "Okay I > think you've made that point several times now....!) I don't think it's just you. I haven't looked at the book yet, but I did have it on my list. We had a thread that discussed one of the authors (Stallybrass) last year. Saragrace, you posted on that thread, so you probably remember the discussion, but for anyone else who is interested, here's a sampling of posts that will give you an idea of the general conversation. Alas, the link to another example of his writing seems not to work now, but a couple of these posts show h-cost members' reactions to it. http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/index.cgi?l=hcos01&s=new%20books%20look%20exciting&Cmd=Match+4 http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/index.cgi?l=hcos01&s=new%20books%20look%20exciting&Cmd=Match+6 http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/index.cgi?l=hcos01&s=new%20books%20look%20exciting&Cmd=Match+8 http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/index.cgi?l=hcos01&s=another%20reference&Cmd=Match+2 If those URLs break, you'll have to cut and paste them into your browser. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:04:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08287 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:04:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K562Y01111; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K562u04859; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20205.mail.yahoo.com (web20205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K55Cu04644 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:05:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820050512.79439.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.228] by web20205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:05:12 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cross dressing laws (was cross dressing soldiers) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D61CDD8.B94DC953@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:05:12 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > *snort* > I wonder if the men were attracted to the > cross-dressing courtesans > because they looked like men , or because of the > titillation factor. > --Sue, whose mind goes weird places this late in the > evening.... Well, to put it delicately (or as delicately as I can manage anyway) there were strict laws in Venice against homosexuality, so the courtesans were... ahem... aiming to fill a hole in the meat market. Oh dear...maybe I shouldn't have written that.... :) Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:09:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08301 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:09:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K5B3Y01314; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5B2u06239; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5A6u05928 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m222.in-tch.com [216.166.191.222]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7K4tk902383 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:55:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D61D08B.33BBE869@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro References: <20020820050130.85562.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:15:55 -0600 Status: RO Let me check into it...it might not be that bad. I could at least take my copy down to the post office, and have it weighed. --sue Bella wrote: > > --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > > As to "Dress of the Venetians"....I've got a > > photocopy, and could copy > > the copy for you, but probably couldn't get around > > to it until > > mid-September (my life's about to get really crazy! > > ) > > Really? :) That is very generous of you, > and I would dearly love to take you up on the offer - > but I'm all the way over here in Australia! The > postage....small fortune..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:10:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08319 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:10:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K5C2Y01355; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5C2u06534; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5BKu06338 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:11:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m222.in-tch.com [216.166.191.222]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7K4v0902699 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D61D0DE.55748AC6@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cross dressing laws (was cross dressing soldiers) References: <20020820050512.79439.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:17:18 -0600 Status: RO So...ahem....were there any men dressing like women dressing like men? (eegads, shades of Victor/Victoria!) --sue Bella wrote: > > --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > > *snort* > > I wonder if the men were attracted to the > > cross-dressing courtesans > > because they looked like men , or because of the > > titillation factor. > > --Sue, whose mind goes weird places this late in the > > evening.... > > Well, to put it delicately (or as delicately as I can > manage anyway) there were strict laws in Venice > against homosexuality, so the courtesans were... > ahem... aiming to fill a hole in the meat market. Oh > dear...maybe I shouldn't have written that.... :) > > Bella _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:18:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08481 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:18:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K5KEY01778; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5KCu08998; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5JRu08696 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:19:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion ([213.78.99.252]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJX48880; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:19:16 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <01b401c24809$8bc5d960$be794ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <197.bb24428.2a92f025@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:22:14 +0100 Status: RO >Remind me in about two weeks I'll try but I have a memory like a suieve for reminders :) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:25:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08508 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:25:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K5R2Y02127; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5R1u10926; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5Qfu10845 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:26:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.161]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g7K5QT025290 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:26:29 +1000 Message-ID: <170101c2480a$189cd780$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <20020819185639.38769.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museum Photography MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:20:37 +1000 Status: RO Any idea if the UK museums allow monopods where no tripods are allowed? Monopods are often enough when taking a longer-than-usual exposure. Glenda. > You are definitely allowed to take photos in the V&A and the Museum of London, > but no tripod and no flash (as I recall) Anyone info on the NPG? > > Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:29:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08515 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:29:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K5V2Y02362; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5V2u12040; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12005.mail.yahoo.com (web12005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.213]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K5UDu11773 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:30:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820053013.76479.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.252] by web12005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:30:13 PDT From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] beaded fringe Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Hello, I've been lurking for a few weeks waiting for school to start again and get the kids out of the house and I can have the net again. Two of the local shops have some beaded fringe in the home dec section. When can I wear beaded fringe? The gold bugle bead stuff is really nice and doesn't look at all fake. The other is plastic beads in various combinations or sizes and shapes but doesn't look too bad either. I've already set aside some chiffon and fringe to make one of the Folkwear patterns but was hoping for something a little more Elizabethan or Italian Rennaissance for the gold. What about the 1890s? I used to do SCA but developed children and a job which cut out that activity. My girls both want to take up fencing so we may go SCA again soon, maybe. I discovered years ago that I can't settle on a specific period as I really LOVE unusual sleeves which puts me in about every time period except the 20th century and even there I occasionally find something interesting. As I don't really have anywhere to where the really neat stuff I make I can make whatever pleases me as accurate as I feel like, which is a mixed blessing. Back to lurking again. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:29:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08520 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:29:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K5V6Y02375; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5V6u12076; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12005.mail.yahoo.com (web12005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.213]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K5UDu11772 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:30:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820053013.76479.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.252] by web12005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:30:13 PDT From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] beaded fringe Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Hello, I've been lurking for a few weeks waiting for school to start again and get the kids out of the house and I can have the net again. Two of the local shops have some beaded fringe in the home dec section. When can I wear beaded fringe? The gold bugle bead stuff is really nice and doesn't look at all fake. The other is plastic beads in various combinations or sizes and shapes but doesn't look too bad either. I've already set aside some chiffon and fringe to make one of the Folkwear patterns but was hoping for something a little more Elizabethan or Italian Rennaissance for the gold. What about the 1890s? I used to do SCA but developed children and a job which cut out that activity. My girls both want to take up fencing so we may go SCA again soon, maybe. I discovered years ago that I can't settle on a specific period as I really LOVE unusual sleeves which puts me in about every time period except the 20th century and even there I occasionally find something interesting. As I don't really have anywhere to where the really neat stuff I make I can make whatever pleases me as accurate as I feel like, which is a mixed blessing. Back to lurking again. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08524 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:29:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K5V9Y02387; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5V8u12095; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12005.mail.yahoo.com (web12005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.213]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K5Udu11935 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:30:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820053038.76497.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.252] by web12005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:30:38 PDT From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] beaded fringe Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Hello, I've been lurking for a few weeks waiting for school to start again and get the kids out of the house and I can have the net again. Two of the local shops have some beaded fringe in the home dec section. When can I wear beaded fringe? The gold bugle bead stuff is really nice and doesn't look at all fake. The other is plastic beads in various combinations or sizes and shapes but doesn't look too bad either. I've already set aside some chiffon and fringe to make one of the Folkwear patterns but was hoping for something a little more Elizabethan or Italian Rennaissance for the gold. What about the 1890s? I used to do SCA but developed children and a job which cut out that activity. My girls both want to take up fencing so we may go SCA again soon, maybe. I discovered years ago that I can't settle on a specific period as I really LOVE unusual sleeves which puts me in about every time period except the 20th century and even there I occasionally find something interesting. As I don't really have anywhere to where the really neat stuff I make I can make whatever pleases me as accurate as I feel like, which is a mixed blessing. Back to lurking again. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:29:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08528 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:29:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K5VEY02412; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:31:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5VEu12137; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:31:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12005.mail.yahoo.com (web12005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.213]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K5Udu11934 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:30:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820053038.76497.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.252] by web12005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:30:38 PDT From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] beaded fringe Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Hello, I've been lurking for a few weeks waiting for school to start again and get the kids out of the house and I can have the net again. Two of the local shops have some beaded fringe in the home dec section. When can I wear beaded fringe? The gold bugle bead stuff is really nice and doesn't look at all fake. The other is plastic beads in various combinations or sizes and shapes but doesn't look too bad either. I've already set aside some chiffon and fringe to make one of the Folkwear patterns but was hoping for something a little more Elizabethan or Italian Rennaissance for the gold. What about the 1890s? I used to do SCA but developed children and a job which cut out that activity. My girls both want to take up fencing so we may go SCA again soon, maybe. I discovered years ago that I can't settle on a specific period as I really LOVE unusual sleeves which puts me in about every time period except the 20th century and even there I occasionally find something interesting. As I don't really have anywhere to where the really neat stuff I make I can make whatever pleases me as accurate as I feel like, which is a mixed blessing. Back to lurking again. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:38:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08558 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:38:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K5eFY02775; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:40:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5eEu14625; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12008.mail.yahoo.com (web12008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.216]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K5dLu14412 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:39:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820053921.78385.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.252] by web12008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:39:21 PDT From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] sorry for the multiple copies I sent Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I just sent off my post and goy my digest back and saw I'd sent three times. Sorry. I haven't figured out the mailing on the new server yet. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:39:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08563 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:39:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K5f2Y02815; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5f2u14837; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5eru14806 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:40:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion ([213.78.99.252]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJX49049; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:40:42 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <01bb01c2480c$8a4e7440$be794ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <07f801c24771$756931a0$a4784ed5@melaniew> <3D626183.6871C168@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:43:19 +0100 Status: RO >Maybe you two just aren't used to them, because I love skirts and I wear long flowing skirts quite often mundanely and I have no difficulties walking/dancing whatever (I've even ridden a bicycle in a long skirt). I'll agree I'm not used to them as daily wear and that might colour my judgement, but I have no problems walking or dancing in them easily :) I've do pretty active stuff in skirts too, for example I've did a fully Gorge walk in Victorian dress, including my metal corset, but no bustle. It was certainly doable. However it was definatly more restrictuing in a long skirt (and corset) than it would be in trousrers & no corset. The fitter you are the easier it is to cope with the extra burden to. Other example of active doings are that I've regularly riden & hunted across some very hairy countty in side siddle habit, show jumped side saddle in a habit, both events in modern safety apron & Victorian dangerous kit (bar the velcro pull away if I had happened to fall off.) Walked miles in my 13th C kit (we are planning a long pilgramage in auid os LEPRA next yearsee www.1265pilgrimage.co.uk) and proper turnshoes not soled with my 5 year old on my back carried tied by a cloth (no backpack then). Mucked out my horses , feed, fence posted, carried water, lived & cooked for days with NO modern conveniences in long skirts from the 5th C Anglo Saxon to 1870s Victorian. I have also fought hand 'n' half and single handed in a 13th C skirt (hitched up a bit), oh & done archery, I'm sure the is lots I've forgotton. The point is I can function quite happily in a skirt & doing very active things, but I still believe (and my experiances back this up) that the skirts do restrict you quite subtly , if they were all you were used to it you would barely notice as you could not compare the two. I do notice however and it is harder, more importantly perhaps it carries higher risk factors, such as animals stepping on your skirts, getting caught in things, greater likelyhood of being blown from high & windy places, greater risk of drowning if you fall in water (falling down wells was a big killer of female in one area of England in the 13th C), more skirt to set of fire when cooking etc etc. >I'm always the first to leap up and protest when someone says 'and of course they couldn't have done x while they were wearing y'. I don't believe I said you couldn't do most things in skirts, but you are slower & less active & in greater danger (see above) >but in period (at least in 'mediaeval' times), women did a lot of the things men did (even go into combat - not in fixed battles, but to defend their castle/town - as women not as men) wearing long skirts and so forth. That is true, but did they do it as efficiently as they could have had they been wearing mens garb ? >It may have been an unconscious attempt to remove liberty (I can see the point of that for upper class women, but not for lower who had to do a lot of physical work), but I don't think it would have been that much of a limitation for people I don't know how much active work you do (I don't count walking & Cycling, I'm afraid they are in the pleasure league) but skirt wearing does carry limitations, trousers came in as women had to take over more and more male roles for example in WW1 and the fact they stayed tends to suggest they were liberating. This wins out of skirts which are I personally think more desirable for feminine needs and far more elegant on a woman :) If I could function in skirts as quickly & comfortably as I can in trousers I'd probably wear them all the time Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:40:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08573 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:40:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K5g2Y02881; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5g2u15139; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt1.ihug.co.nz (grunt1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5fvu15114 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:41:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p31-nas6.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.216.31] by grunt1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17h1m7-0003PJ-00; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:41:55 +1200 Message-ID: <00f101c2480c$47c58690$1fd8adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020819173851.27260.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays (copy of V&A pink ones) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:41:16 +1200 Status: RO > And last but not least the lovely page that Drea just announced with her > fantastic photos of the pink 1660s stays in the V&A. (no, pink is not my > colour.... that's why mine is cherry red :-) Don't blame you:) The red looks really good too:) > http://costume.dm.net/va/pc.html > > Nicole - who wants to have the pink lady's waist! oooh, I don't, it would mean her hips as well which would look just odd;) Seriously though, it would be nice to be able to acheive that elongated line of the era.. Impossible for me due to rib cage size.. can't squish them bones much;) And thank you to Drea:) I have wanted good shots of this corset since I bought the V&A publication of historical costume in detail... and wanted to make it too;) maybe now I can:) I might go for a nice blue actually.... michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:45:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08590 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:45:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K5l3Y03042; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5l3u16520; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5kRu16382 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:46:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion ([213.78.99.252]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJX49106; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:46:17 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <01bf01c2480d$5233dae0$be794ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <191.bc511b9.2a92e92b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:49:15 +0100 Status: RO >) women can and did fight in skirts and Again I didn't say you CAN'T fight in skirt but you are better in male type costume Fencing is somewhat lighter that say hand 'n' half but I still thing evenly match with yourself in a skirt & yourself in trousers the skirted one has a greater risk of making a mistake & once you get to a certain level of fighting the first to mess up dies. It isn't a matter of skill but practicality, there is a greater risk if tripping for instance over a long garment. >b) to try to effect (or is that affect) my pet peeve, that women don't have to dress like men to fight like men! Hmm to fight in the same style they do, if you fight in a skirt you will compensate for it, not that it matters I have to addapt style to get round my boobs :) I don't think women fight like men. That is neither a statement of good or bad, just an observation. Then again few people fight exacly alike anyway, with differing strengths & weaknessess. Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 01:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08611 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:51:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K5r4Y03304; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5r2u18165; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K5qvu18120 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07121 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:55:26 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museum Photography In-Reply-To: <170101c2480a$189cd780$eaf4fea9@glendaii> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:55:26 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Glenda Robinson wrote: > Any idea if the UK museums allow monopods where no tripods are > allowed? Monopods are often enough when taking a longer-than-usual > exposure. I carried my monopod successfully through many museums in the UK in the 1980s. Then eventually I realized my pictures were just as good, and less hassle, without it. I guess I have a steady hand. One less thing to pack, now. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 02:00:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08632 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:00:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K625Y03715; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:02:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K624u20682; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K61Ou20456 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:01:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.161]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g7K61F025875 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:01:15 +1000 Message-ID: <181301c2480e$f2782fa0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museum Photography MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:00:51 +1000 Status: RO My husband finds the same thing, but wants to take his for long exposures - he says he doesn't have the practise in hand-holding an 8 second exposure any more. For myself, anything over 1/4 sec is asking for shakiness without aid. Glenda, wishing I had a muscly slave so we could take the 6x6 Bronica to the UK. We'll have to settle for the Canon 35mm and the proposed digital camera/video. > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Glenda Robinson wrote: > > > Any idea if the UK museums allow monopods where no tripods are > > allowed? Monopods are often enough when taking a longer-than-usual > > exposure. > > I carried my monopod successfully through many museums in the UK in the > 1980s. Then eventually I realized my pictures were just as good, and less > hassle, without it. I guess I have a steady hand. One less thing to pack, > now. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 02:08:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13171 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:08:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K6AFY04034; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:10:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K6AEu22802; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:10:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.138]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K69pu22707 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:09:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from qwerty.optusnet.com.au (c16828.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [211.28.151.194]) by mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7K69ir29179 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:09:44 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020820155917.02329820@210.49.20.169> X-Sender: koidgath@210.49.20.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro In-Reply-To: <20020820050130.85562.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D61CC3E.94CE3888@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:02:53 +1000 Status: RO > > > As to "Dress of the Venetians"....I've got a > > photocopy, and could copy > > the copy for you, but probably couldn't get around > > to it until > > mid-September (my life's about to get really crazy! > > ) > > --Sue > > Really? :) That is very generous of you, >and I would dearly love to take you up on the offer - >but I'm all the way over here in Australia! The >postage....small fortune..... Or there are copies in libraries in Melbourne like at Monash Uni, I know I've read it. I could always borrow it and bring it with me the next time I go wayfaring to Adelaide if the postage works out to be too much or photocopy it . Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 02:23:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22324 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:23:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K6P3Y04546; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K6P2u26602; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.171]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K6OIu26405 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:24:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from qwerty.optusnet.com.au (c16828.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [211.28.151.194]) by mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7K6OBg01829 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:24:12 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020820161314.0232a7b0@210.49.20.169> X-Sender: koidgath@210.49.20.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020820155917.02329820@210.49.20.169> References: <20020820050130.85562.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com> <3D61CC3E.94CE3888@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:17:20 +1000 Status: RO Ack. The cat jumped on the keyboard on the wrong keys and sent that before I was ready. I Try it reading if the postage works out to be too much from the UK or photocopy it here and post it. And there was a smiley face after I know I've read it. (Cos you know how library catalogues don't reflect the reality of the shelves) Sharon who has cat the sleeps on top of the monitor and jumps on the keyboard to get down _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 03:04:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13446 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:04:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K763Y06179; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:06:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K762u07381; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K75wu07363 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:05:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.201]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020820070557.WJDI23840.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:05:57 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro Message-ID: <3D61F862.21153.19E465@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3D61D08B.33BBE869@in-tch.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:05:54 +0100 Status: RO On 19 Aug 2002 at 23:15, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > As to "Dress of the Venetians"....I've got a > > > photocopy, and could copy > > > the copy for you, > Bella wrote: > > Really? :) That is very generous of you, > > and I would dearly love to take you up on the offer - > > but I'm all the way over here in Australia! The > > postage....small fortune..... > Let me check into it...it might not be that bad. I could at least take > my copy down to the post office, and have it weighed. --sue Scan it, and email the scan? (I'm assuming it's out of copyright or otherwise legal to copy here: if not, that's a whole new can of worms, and we've been there and done that, I think?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 03:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07229 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K7M4Y06795; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K7M3u11255; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K7Lju11159 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:21:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820072145.78141.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:21:45 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museum Photography To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <181301c2480e$f2782fa0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:21:45 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Glenda Robinson wrote: > My husband finds the same thing, but wants to take his for long exposures - > he says he doesn't have the practise in hand-holding an 8 second exposure > any more. For myself, anything over 1/4 sec is asking for shakiness without > aid. I am dubious if they allow monopods, if you are in doubt, send them an email/call them. Otherwise as a suggestion, ben and I just use each other's shoulders and that works fine, even the very long exposures. He's got a steady hand and I have a steady shoulder apparently. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 03:28:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24108 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:28:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K7UEY07134; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K7UCu13452; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:30:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K7Ttu13346 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:29:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820072955.25960.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:29:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: corset boning, was Re: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208200318.g7K3IZDc011681@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:29:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Heather Meadows wrote: > I found the stuff at farthingales under the name "german boning" > > they even sell it already in 5mm width. > > .heather. Ahhh, that's good to know, I wondered how poor Harriet managed to get the boning that tiny :-) http://www.wissner.de/eng/ (English version) hat's their website, according to corset makers it's the best boning available, but then I can only pass on what others say. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 03:30:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27825 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:30:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K7W2Y07225; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K7W1u14032; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K7VTu13837 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1659.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.70.123] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17h3U8-0004PK-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:31:28 +0100 Message-ID: <002701c2481e$022393e0$7b4686d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <20020819212505.53825.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:48:09 +0100 Status: RO >Nicole said Helen!!!! *bounces excitedly up and down* Could you please, please buy all of > the costuming postcards for me? Of the above? And if they have ANYthing that > ranges between, say 1600-1750, please buy that too? *begs on knees* I won't > make it to Bath for a while, I could send you a cheque? *hopes* > Yep Nicole, no probs at all, I won't be back on-line til next Tuesday, after tomorrow, so I'll tell you the cost, then, is that ok? I'm going to the Costume Resource/Research Centre - anything you especially want me to look at, if there's time? Have you got the Janet Arnold notes on the bodice and petticoat? They do a photocopying order service, let me know if you want it and I'll arrange it. Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: 19 August 2002 22:25 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online > --- Helen Partner wrote: > Yes indeed, Drea, > lovely photos of the V & A stuff. > > > > The Bath shirts and the jacket are available as postcards, for anyonme who > > is interested. They also do a p/card of the silver tissue bodice and > > petticoat of c1660. I'm going to do more research there on Friday - can't > > wait..thanks for increasing my anticipation and excitement! Three visits in > > three months...drool, drool! > > Helen!!!! *bounces excitedly up and down* Could you please, please buy all of > the costuming postcards for me? Of the above? And if they have ANYthing that > ranges between, say 1600-1750, please buy that too? *begs on knees* I won't > make it to Bath for a while, I could send you a cheque? *hopes* > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 03:45:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22251 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:45:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K7l3Y07669; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K7l2u17724; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K7kXu17603 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:46:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820074632.27389.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:46:32 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D619D68.157F135E@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:46:32 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Hey, Nicole, if Helen can't, I sure can! I'll be there in just over two > weeks (the 4th through the 7th of Sept.). Anything in particular you're > looking for, or just everything? > --Sue, incipient world traveler, at last ;-) *L* kind of everything, because while I have a fairly good idea what the V&A has in storage, I am at a loss at the moment what bath has. It actually is a bit of a tricky thing to find out what museums have I found in the past. Anyway, Helen was so sweet to say she can do this, that's really very helpful, because I won't manage before the autumn/winter to get a day off to go to Bath. Sue, you never answered, will you be in Canterbury??? I would love to meet up. *flaps eyelashes sweetly* Nicole - yeah, sweet, right! hehehehehe ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 03:47:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26185 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:47:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K7n3Y07734; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K7n3u18279; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from morgoth.tuug.fi (IDENT:postfix@morgoth.tuug.fi [130.232.72.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K7lxu17982 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:47:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix, from userid 15211) id 24C9E7F15; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:47:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6403F66 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:47:02 +0300 (EEST) From: Ella Lynoure Rajamaki To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: corset boning, was Re: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays In-Reply-To: <20020820072955.25960.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:47:02 +0300 (EEST) Status: RO On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, N Kipar wrote: > http://www.wissner.de/eng/ (English version) > > hat's their website, according to corset makers it's the best boning available, > but then I can only pass on what others say. Which of their boning you mean? They have several types, spiral, white steels, and artificial whalebone. (I'm personally very fond of the artificial whalebone, though that means I'll endlessly have to lecture how not all plastics are equal to people who have had experiences with eg. rigilene). -- Lynoure Rajamaki lynoure@tuug.fi http://www.lynoure.com (only in Finnish, sorry) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 03:49:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30200 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:49:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K7p4Y07823; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:51:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K7p3u18711; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K7oqu18675 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:50:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820075052.80244.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:50:52 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: wigs, was Re: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:50:52 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kitsune242@aol.com wrote: > > > Where do you get them? I am deprately looking for a couple of different > wigs, but I can't find any decent ones that I can afford. > Uhm, well, they are very expensive. I have them made by a wig maker who has specialised for years in historical and theatrical wigs. His name is Derek Easton and he is alovely chap, but very expensive. Each wig is £400, Ben's wig though was cheaper £270. The good thing about them is that after teh season I send them back to derek and he washes and re-dresses them for fairly cheap. Also, the material is such good quality that A) it fools a lot of people (the number of people, mainly guys, who are disappointd when I tell them my lovely ringlets are not real... *laughs*) and B) the wigs are no hotter than wearing a hat, it's no problem even in sunshine and heat. http://www.derekeastonwigs.co.uk/ I wish I didn't have to get those wigs, they break my neck financially, but I only need one more for the 1680s and I am set for the period with three wigs. In a couple of years... when the credit card bill has been paid... :-) Nicole - poor now but HAPPY ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 03:52:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01314 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:52:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K7s3Y07946; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K7s3u19518; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K7r7u19344 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820075307.19860.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:53:07 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: corset boning, was Re: [h-cost] Photo of Nicole's red stays To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:53:07 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Ella Lynoure Rajamaki wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, N Kipar wrote: > Which of their boning you mean? They have several types, spiral, white > steels, and artificial whalebone. (I'm personally very fond of the > artificial whalebone, though that means I'll endlessly have to lecture how > not all plastics are equal to people who have had experiences with eg. > rigilene). Exactly dear, everyone I spoke with and who usesWissner uses the artificial whalebone. Nicole - who loves corsets and hates making them :-( ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 03:55:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01323 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:55:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K7v2Y08050; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K7v2u20277; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K7uvu20252 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:56:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820075656.61438.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:56:56 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] Old sewing machines to charity? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:56:56 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- "Megan M." wrote: > NIcole, some of us collect these old sewing machines and fix them up and SEW > on them. Please do not throw it away without at least posting me a picture > so I could see if I want to pay the shipping to get it to me. > -Megan Oh no, don't worry megan, I already kept the boys (well, my English family at home) from chucking it out. I don't think though it is worth the enormous shipping. I'll take piccies when I have my camera, but how the doodah do I get my parents to give it to me before Christmas.... *gruntle* lying around uselessly at my parents' home... *sniff* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 04:01:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01350 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:01:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K836Y08624; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:03:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K831u21740; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K82Lu21564 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:02:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820080220.64903.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:02:20 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: sleeved stays To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:02:20 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > > All right Drea and Nicole, I'll ask. Why would anyone wear sleeves with > stays? I thought "stays" meant either an undergarment or a lower-class > overgarment that did the job of a corset and bodice in one. But this is too > fancy to be lower-class, isn't it? Or am I not getting something? Sorry, I explained how they were worn to Drea but she had sent me a mail off list and I didn't realise until after I sent the mail that my explanation didn't go out to those who might wonder about the sleeves. There are in the numerous paintings (mostly Dutch) of the 1660s and 70s several depicting wealthy middle class ladies (well, the aristocrats of Holland WERE the wealthy merchants/middle class) wearing such stays OVER a skirt to show off the lovely tabs. They were indeed worn with sleeves and apparently used as a bodice. There are also some which show such sleeves stays under the skirt but the stomacher front panel worn over the skirt, in the same manner as the bodice/skirt combinations are worn (see my blue dress). There are also some pictures showing those worn with the lovely fur lined jackets over them, probably with the sleves taken off I would guess. they can also be worn as actual stays with the sleeves off and under a bodice. It seems though that a garments with such elaborate tabs (note the ribbon bows in the back too, which would be crushed by a skirt) was meant to be worn flashily over skirts. > And the real one makes me think: OUCH!!! Why??? Cheerio Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 04:30:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01587 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:30:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K8WFY09699; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8WDu28519; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8Vvu28446 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:31:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb03la (unverified [10.1.200.104]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:27:16 -0700 thread-index: AcJII2P38sCPj2XHTjSx+ewXFs1QmA== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Thank you to Sue From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thank you to Sue Message-ID: <060201c24823$63f7e1c0$0ec8a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0603_01C247E8.B79909C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:27:15 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0603_01C247E8.B79909C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I didn't get around to starting a shirt last night, but I cut out a little sleeveless top and embroidered all around the neckline with a simple blackwork pattern in spirals. (That was the fun bit, getting the spirals to space evenly around the neck and get bigger towards the front). I shall whip that together this afternoon - just as the warm weather's vanishing. As for wool next to the skin, have you tried a really fine, soft wool fabric? I can't wear coarse wool next to my skin at all, but as a handspinner I find the really fine wools (Merino, Polwarth, Rambouillet) are fine, even round my neck, and if you trawled the fabric shops you might find something. I am thinking of making my husband an embroidered wool shirt for the winter - being him, he is muttering about chinese dragons - he'll get what he's given and be grateful! Freyalyn, who has lots of knitting/designing to do but is having too much fun with fabric and embroidery!! _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Sue Clemenger > Sent: 8/19/2002 3:22:01 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thank you to Sue > > Aw, shucks, ma'am....Glad you like it! > If I ever find the time, and the right fabric, I *really* want to make a > shirt someday for my own (non-costumed) use...it'd be either linen or > silk twill (I'd originally thought wool, but it makes me itch when it's > next to my skin), and as close to completely covered in Celtic knotwork > as I can make it--especially the yoke, down the arms, cuffs, etc. I want > the effect of something like the Chi-Rho page from the Book of Kells, > which is one of my favorite books, ever. I read a description of a shirt > like this in a novel many years ago, and have lusted after one ever > since! ;-D > I have a copy of "Cut My Cote," too...it's a nice little book. > --Sue, having a pleasant early Monday morning myself...it's still cool, > the sun is up, more or less (it's light out, but my town's in a valley), > and I've got a nice cup of tea, and a cat curled up at my > feet...mmmmm.... > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_0603_01C247E8.B79909C0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I didn't get around to starting a shirt last night, but I cut out a little sleeveless top and embroidered all around the neckline with a simple blackwork pattern in spirals. (That was the fun bit, getting the spirals to space evenly around the neck and get bigger towards the front). I shall whip that together this afternoon - just as the warm weather's vanishing.

As for wool next to the skin, have you tried a really fine, soft wool fabric? I can't wear coarse wool next to my skin at all, but as a handspinner I find the really fine wools (Merino, Polwarth, Rambouillet) are fine, even round my neck, and if you trawled the fabric shops you might find something. I am thinking of making my husband an embroidered wool shirt for the winter - being him, he is muttering about chinese dragons - he'll get what he's given and be grateful!

Freyalyn, who has lots of knitting/designing to do but is having too much fun with fabric and embroidery!!


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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Sue Clemenger
> Sent: 8/19/2002 3:22:01 PM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thank you to Sue
>
> Aw, shucks, ma'am....Glad you like it!
> If I ever find the time, and the right fabric, I *really* want to make a
> shirt someday for my own (non-costumed) use...it'd be either linen or
> silk twill (I'd originally thought wool, but it makes me itch when it's
> next to my skin), and as close to completely covered in Celtic knotwork
> as I can make it--especially the yoke, down the arms, cuffs, etc. I want
> the effect of something like the Chi-Rho page from the Book of Kells,
> which is one of my favorite books, ever. I read a description of a shirt
> like this in a novel many years ago, and have lusted after one ever
> since! ;-D
> I have a copy of "Cut My Cote," too...it's a nice little book.
> --Sue, having a pleasant early Monday morning myself...it's still cool,
> the sun is up, more or less (it's light out, but my town's in a valley),
> and I've got a nice cup of tea, and a cat curled up at my
> feet...mmmmm....
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------=_NextPart_000_0603_01C247E8.B79909C0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 04:36:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01608 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:35:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K8c1Y09907; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8c1u29940; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8bFu29747 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:37:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb03la (unverified [10.1.200.104]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:32:34 -0700 thread-index: AcJIJCGjnuFlruRNS8WYMxuHDIcvpA== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset Message-ID: <062a01c24824$21a32e00$0ec8a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_062B_01C247E9.75445600" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:32:34 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_062B_01C247E9.75445600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That does make sense, there'd be much more fabric in a larger garment. The other point I meant to make is that many women's costumes seem so small because chest and shoulder development can be arrested to some extent by early corsetting. Freyalyn _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Kate M Bunting > Sent: 8/20/2002 12:47:25 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset > > Isn't there now a school of thought that original historic costumes seem tiny only because the > standard- and large-sized garments got handed down and re-used until they fell to bits, leaving the > exceptionally small ones to be preserved? > > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > >>> freyalyn@ivillage.com 08/09/02 09:32am >>> > This brings up the point that it's very easy to forget how much smaller > people can be in the past. Some of the original costumes in the V&A and > other collections almost look children sized compared to us modern, > well-fed people. > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . > From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage > has the scoop on what matters most to you. > > > > From: Karen Heim > Sent: 8/9/2002 6:24:39 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset > > I have no ideas about what or when it might be, but the original > poster claimedit was way too short > to be a corset. I would ask, please, that no one makeassumptions about > it based on whether it would > fit them. I am *extremely*short-waisted, and until I was 28, that item > of clothing would have fit > mealmost perfectly, all the way down to my waist - and I mean > completely closed,too. So it might be > way too short for most of you, but not me. > > Karen (who buys all her gloves at estate sales after old women pass > on, becausethey're the only > people with gloves small enough to fit me reasonably) > > Marna Jean wrote: > > I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy > dress costume-(I just got a > new plate of fancydress costumes for 1883 so I'm stuck on them at the > moment) and I'm guessinglate > 19th century. > > MJ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_062B_01C247E9.75445600 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That does make sense, there'd be much more fabric in a larger garment. The other point I meant to make is that many women's costumes seem so small because chest and shoulder development can be arrested to some extent by early corsetting.

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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Kate M Bunting
> Sent: 8/20/2002 12:47:25 AM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset
>
> Isn't there now a school of thought that original historic costumes seem tiny only because the
> standard- and large-sized garments got handed down and re-used until they fell to bits, leaving the
> exceptionally small ones to be preserved?
>
>
> Kate Bunting
> Library, University of Derby
>
> >>> freyalyn@ivillage.com 08/09/02 09:32am >>>
> This brings up the point that it's very easy to forget how much smaller
> people can be in the past. Some of the original costumes in the V&A and
> other collections almost look children sized compared to us modern,
> well-fed people.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________
> Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters .
> From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage
> has the scoop on what matters most to you.
>
>
>
> From: Karen Heim
> Sent: 8/9/2002 6:24:39 AM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset
>
> I have no ideas about what or when it might be, but the original
> poster claimedit was way too short
> to be a corset. I would ask, please, that no one makeassumptions about
> it based on whether it would
> fit them. I am *extremely*short-waisted, and until I was 28, that item
> of clothing would have fit
> mealmost perfectly, all the way down to my waist - and I mean
> completely closed,too. So it might be
> way too short for most of you, but not me.
>
> Karen (who buys all her gloves at estate sales after old women pass
> on, becausethey're the only
> people with gloves small enough to fit me reasonably)
>
> Marna Jean wrote:
>
> I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy
> dress costume-(I just got a
> new plate of fancydress costumes for 1883 so I'm stuck on them at the
> moment) and I'm guessinglate
> 19th century.
>
> MJ
>
>
>
>
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------=_NextPart_000_062B_01C247E9.75445600-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 04:39:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01637 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:39:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K8f2Y10011; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8f2u00915; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K8ehu00838 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:40:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820084043.23653.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:40:43 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nicole's Group (was cross-dressing) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <46.2c489426.2a92f227@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:40:43 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kitsune242@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the response! > > I have to ask, since either I missed it, or I have packed my brain (it could > be either or both) but what kind of group do you run? I run a civilian & military living history society 1660-1715. What do you have for > ladies to do in your group? I have to d whatever is appropriate to the chosen level of society/profession they portray. They can be anything, from tbe lowest scullery maid to the highest duchess IF and WHEN the clothing is correct. at the moment i portray the highest level of society in the group, that's just due to the costumes, and i only go to a lowly countess, no higher, because quite frankly, while my costumes may be stunning, it is no where NEAR the grandeur that anyone above the lower aristocracy would have worn. i also portray a middle class wealthy housewife/lady, and am currently working on a lower class working woman's outfit. it all depends on the weaher and the venue. we have a chamber maid who is working over the winter to get her posher kit for a proper lady's maid. we have a 'wench' i.e. low status servant, who does the cooking bits and general camp life things together with the maid. (and me, if the weather's bad, hehe) i often sit and stitch on something, but i am also interested in midwifery and will hopefully one day have the knowledge to do something about that. we could have all sorts of professions for women, like silk women (embroideressess) stocking knitters (male and female), knitters, weavers, cooking, sewing (proper tailoring was only done by men, women did the white work and non fitted garments, this is why the mantua was such a revolution! it develoed from a non fitted garment and opened a whole new tailoring world for women, who suddenly became professional mantua makers.) any kind of needlwork and food work could be done. also, whenportraying camp life, a woman can do pretty much everything that is part of that, chopping wood (i personally kick the soldier to do that *G* uhm, translate it as *beg*), tending to the fire, mending the soldier's kit, helpoing make bullets, tending to wounded off the battlefield, stripping the dead *cackles, I don't think that we will ever do that authentically... *wags brows* as shown in the paintings and tapestries...) and of course sutlery and running a tavern, as shown in the Blenheim tapestries and the de Voos art of war series. actually, the possibilities are endless if portraying camp life. I bet there is a lot more to do. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 04:43:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01663 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:43:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K8j4Y10132; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8j3u01794; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20203.mail.yahoo.com (web20203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.58]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K8iMu01660 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820084421.55295.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.228] by web20203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:44:21 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cross dressing laws (was cross dressing soldiers) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D61D0DE.55748AC6@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:44:21 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > So...ahem....were there any men dressing like women > dressing like men? > (eegads, shades of Victor/Victoria!) > --sue Hmmm...interesting question. I haven't found any firm evidence so far. :) Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 04:43:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01667 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:43:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K8j9Y10144; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8j9u01831; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8iUu01696 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-183.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.183]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1F08080 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:44:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D62016C.5030602@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:44:28 +0200 Status: RO Thank you very much for making these pictures and putting them online. I love your webpage. It was of so much help for me, making our wedding clothing. I hope one day my webpage will be as inspiring as yours. Greetings, Deredere http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/ Drea Leed wrote: >Guys, > >I have the first installment of my photos from the V&A up on the website: >http://costume.dm.net/va/ > >And some scans of costume at the Bath Museum: http://costume.dm.net/bath/ > >There's a lot more in the works, that should be up soon. > >Enjoy! > >Drea > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 04:52:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01721 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:52:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K8s3Y10491; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8s3u04214; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8rUu04081 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H14006TQWP3Z4@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:53:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] sad news -- In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020819012701.00c6c9e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:32:20 -0700 Status: RO >Oh no! I was *just* there a few weekends ago and she was sitting there >like always, at the table, keeping an eye on everyone. How sad... :( She and I got to know each other by face, because we had the same name, and the same problems with people mis-pronouncing it. She went with 'Katie', and I with 'Kayta'. I'm still in shock. Lacis will stay open, but she can't be replaced. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 04:52:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01726 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:52:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K8s9Y10503; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:54:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8s9u04241; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:54:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8rVu04085 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H14006TQWP3Z4@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Treddle or Crank Machines In-reply-to: <41.21fab7a8.2a92f2e5@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020819013617.00c6e100@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:37:49 -0700 Status: RO There are sewing machine collectors, and societies of collectors, some of which have websites. Look up what people said when I was talking about my 'new' chain-stitch Wilcox and Gibbs machine fa few months ago. >Boy, I am chatty these last few days, I think I am procrastinating from >boxing up my life. Anyway, does anyone have a recommendation of places >other than e-bay to find treadle and hand-crank machines? I have always >wanted one of each, and haven't bought them when I had my chance, so now I >am looking for them. > >Thanks! >Kit Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 04:52:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01731 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:52:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K8sCY10518; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:54:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8sBu04265; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:54:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8rWu04091 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H14006TQWP3Z4@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] beaded fringe In-reply-to: <20020820053038.76497.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020819013928.00c6ccc0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:40:06 -0700 Status: RO > When can I wear beaded fringe? >What about the 1890s? I'd say 1880s, but 1890s might be good too. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 04:52:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01736 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:52:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K8sGY10540; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:54:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8sFu04295; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:54:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8rWu04096 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H14006TQWP3Z4@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:53:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro In-reply-to: <20020820025410.78161.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020819014206.04c18c70@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <43.102885c9.2a91e697@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:44:33 -0700 Status: RO >My name is Anabella, but I've shortened it to Bella >for use in the SCA, so it has stuck. I'm from >Innilgard, Lochac (Adelaide, South Australia). :) I visited Innilgard, and still have an 'Igglenard' t-shirt. >My interest costuming wise is sixteenth century >Venice. Rent a video/DVD of Dangerous Beauty, which is set in Venise in your period. Look also in Vecellio's book of costume pictures, available in Dover reprint - I think it has some pictures of Venetians in there. Davenport's costume book has some pictures too. >I love almost all Italian fashion of the 16th >century, but Venice is special. I wanted to learn and >to share what is was that made Venice so unique, even >if I only focus on the fashion aspect right now. I >have put what I've learnt from many wonderful people >(many of you are here on this list) and many >interesting historical sources online. Of course, as >I'm learning something new all the time it's still a >"work in progress". :) At the moment I focus on >ladies' clothing, including courtesans, and so I've >named it The Realm of Venus. Unfortunately until my >finances are better I don't have my own domain, so I >have to use a couple of free ones. You can find all my >stuff linked to at > > > >I'm looking forward to learning more. :) > >Anabella >aka Lady Bella Lucia da Verona ORL > >http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To >- Get the best out of your PC! >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 04:57:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01763 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:57:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K8x2Y10793; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8x2u05671; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K8wSu05481 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:58:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820085827.95945.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:58:27 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020819014206.04c18c70@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:58:27 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >My name is Anabella, but I've shortened it to Bella > >for use in the SCA, so it has stuck. I'm from > >Innilgard, Lochac (Adelaide, South Australia). :) Welcome Bella! I LOVE your web site, and I enjoy your email list very much. Though I don't 'do' this perios, I love the clothes and enjoy reading about it and of course looking at finished costumes. Your research is great, the best on the period/location out there on the net that I have found. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 04:57:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01767 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:57:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K8x7Y10810; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:59:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K8x6u05708; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:59:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40017.mail.yahoo.com (web40017.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7K8wWu05516 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:58:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820085827.83955.qmail@web40017.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40017.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:58:27 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D619C9E.B55CB3AF@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:58:27 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Sue, I'll be in the V&A on the 31st myself, so if you fancy a joint drool, I'll see you there. Rachel --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Hey, we're going to just miss each other! I'll be in London > from the 29th through the 1st. Of course, by the time you're there, > they'll probably finally have managed to clean up the drool puddles I'll > be leaving behind! > --sue, getting excited ;-) > ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 05:00:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01776 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:59:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K922Y10934; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K921u06383; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K91Gu06216 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18049.; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:01:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:00:02 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7K91Gu06216 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:59:37 +0100 Status: RO >>By my recollection, you are more likely to run into formal >>prohibitions against cross-dressing in Church law than in secular >>law. (I'm vaguely remembering one case, although I think it may have >>been Early Modern rather than medieval, where a woman received >>official dispensation for the Pope to continue wearing men's clothes.) >Often it is OK by the Church is you are protecting your honour from what >I've read. In Shaw's "Saint Joan" (closely based on the transcripts of her trial, I believe) the authorities try to stop Joan from continuing to wear male attire in prison, even though she claims it is for protection against the guards. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 05:30:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA01894 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:30:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K9WEY11908; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:32:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K9WDu11785; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K9Viu11651 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip145.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.145] (may be forged)) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7K9VeT26580 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:31:41 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museum Photography Message-ID: <3D61AB97.4958.188DB0E6@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <170101c2480a$189cd780$eaf4fea9@glendaii> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:38:15 -0700 Status: RO > Any idea if the UK museums allow monopods where no tripods are > allowed? Monopods are often enough when taking a longer-than-usual > exposure. Usually if they say no tripod, they mean no monopod too. > > You are definitely allowed to take photos in the V&A and the Museum > > of > London, > > but no tripod and no flash (as I recall) Anyone info on the NPG? While NPG didn't allow photography at all, I was allowed to take flash photos in both the V&A and the MOL. In fact, I was shooting without the flash in the MOL and the guard came up and told me I could have been. (So I got it out! I just wish I had had time to retake some of the earlier stuff.) That was in 1999. Have they changed their policy? Kat kat@grendal.rain.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 05:44:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA02003 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:44:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K9k2Y12351; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K9k2u15327; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K9j7u15084 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.118.16036d53 (25305) for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:44:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <118.16036d53.2a936999@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_118.16036d53.2a936999_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:44:57 EDT Status: RO --part1_118.16036d53.2a936999_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/2002 10:48:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, MelanieWilson@bigfoot.com writes: > Fencing is somewhat lighter that say hand 'n' half but I still thing evenly > match with yourself in a skirt & yourself in trousers the skirted one has a > greater risk of making a mistake & once you get to a certain level of > fighting the first to mess up dies. It isn't a matter of skill but > practicality, there is a greater risk if tripping for instance over a long > garment. I suppose I should have also pointed out that I fought heavies in a skirt, (great weapons only, I wasn't going to let some linebacker that close with a club) but since I also wore chain mail, and it has been a really long time, I kind of forget... However, the ONLY time I have ever tripped over my skirt while fighting was the time I stepped into a hole and was stepping back out of it. And the few times I have fought in pants, I die everytime, but that is because I end up telegraphing my movements while trying to kick my non-existant skirt out of the way... But that is another story. > Hmm to fight in the same style they do, if you fight in a skirt you will > compensate for it, not that it matters I have to addapt style to get round > my boobs :) > > I don't think women fight like men. That is neither a statement of good or > bad, just an observation. Then again few people fight exacly alike anyway, > with differing strengths & weaknessess. Actually, they don't. I have just gone back and reread everything I wrote, boy it was written poorly. Hopefully nobody who has asked me to teach a class is on this list, or they will ask me not to teach anyone anything. :) Due to the center of gravity being completely different for women as opposed to men, women can fight like men, but do better to fight like women. (That is not to say they should fight like girls.) Any way, my point was not to drag everyone into a conversation about fighting, but rather to point out that you can quite successfully fight in a full length skirt. Kit --part1_118.16036d53.2a936999_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/2002 10:48:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, MelanieWilson@bigfoot.com writes:


Fencing is somewhat lighter that say hand 'n' half  but I still thing evenly
match with yourself in a skirt & yourself in trousers the skirted one has a
greater risk of making a mistake & once you get to a certain level of
fighting the first to mess up dies. It isn't a matter of skill but
practicality, there is a greater risk if tripping for instance over a long
garment.


I suppose I should have also pointed out that I fought heavies in a skirt, (great weapons only, I wasn't going to let some linebacker that close with a club) but since I also wore chain mail, and it has been a really long time, I kind of forget...  However, the ONLY time I have ever tripped over my skirt while fighting was the time I stepped into a hole and was stepping back out of it.  And the few times I have fought in pants, I die everytime, but that is because I end up telegraphing my movements while trying to kick my non-existant skirt out of the way...  But that is another story.

Hmm to fight in the same style they do, if you fight in a skirt you will
compensate for it, not that it matters I have to addapt style to get round
my boobs :)

I don't think women fight like men. That is neither a statement of good or
bad, just an observation. Then again few people fight exacly alike anyway,
with differing strengths & weaknessess.


Actually, they don't.  I have just gone back and reread everything I wrote, boy it was written poorly.  Hopefully nobody who has asked me to teach a class is on this list, or they will ask me not to teach anyone anything.  :)  Due to the center of gravity being completely different for women as opposed to men, women can fight like men, but do better to fight like women.  (That is not to say they should fight like girls.)  Any way, my point was not to drag everyone into a conversation about fighting, but rather to point out that you can quite successfully fight in a full length skirt.

Kit
--part1_118.16036d53.2a936999_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 05:50:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA02025 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:50:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7K9qFY12561; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:52:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K9qDu16927; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:52:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7K9ptu16838 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:51:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H14006NCZEIZ1@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset In-reply-to: <062a01c24824$21a32e00$0ec8a8c0@mail2world.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020819024819.04c2fa50@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:49:27 -0700 Status: RO >That does make sense, there'd be much more fabric in a larger garment. That's probably why there are more bodices that survived than skirts - all that lovely fabric in large pieces... 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And then make sure I brought the finished item in for her to see. It was such a thrill to hear her say, "Oh, you did it _right_." I now really regret not having gone by the shop for a couple months. Now I'll never get to show her the outrageous helmet I made for a friend out of an old collander. I hadn't finished putting all the flashing LEDs on it yet, or fitted the harness inside for Jody's head, so we hadn't shown it to Kaethe yet. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 06:14:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02183 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:14:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KAG3Y13375; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KAG3u22635; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40309.mail.yahoo.com (web40309.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7KAFeu22541 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820101535.76696.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.1.27.65] by web40309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:15:35 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?marcus=20findlay-arthur?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] OT: Ars Textrina search - help URGENT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:15:35 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I desperately need to track down an article written by Victoria Z.Rivers in Ars Textrina vol.26 of 1996. Unfortunately real-life has just gotten 'hairier' than ever right at the moment and time is an issue even if I can get to Oxford or Leeds.Does anyone have an idea how I can either do this research on line or get a copy of the article mailed to me? Any - any suggestions would be very very helpful. Thanks, Marcus/Mangal Who's on the verge right about now! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Now I have coffee all over my monitor again!! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bella" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cross dressing laws (was cross dressing soldiers) > --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > > *snort* > > I wonder if the men were attracted to the > > cross-dressing courtesans > > because they looked like men , or because of the > > titillation factor. > > --Sue, whose mind goes weird places this late in the > > evening.... > > > Well, to put it delicately (or as delicately as I can > manage anyway) there were strict laws in Venice > against homosexuality, so the courtesans were... > ahem... aiming to fill a hole in the meat market. Oh > dear...maybe I shouldn't have written that.... :) > > > Bella > > http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! 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Page 19, Pattern F, of the facsimile of the first book, as reproduced in "Le Pompe, 1559, Patterns for Venetian bobbin lace", Facsimile with Introduction by Santina M. Levey, Technical Section by Patricia C. Payne, Drawings by Bridget M. Cook' Ruth Bean, Carlton Bedford,1983. Linda Walton. P.S. What thread did you use ? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 08:03:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03826 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:03:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KC52Y16851; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KC51u19890; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf01bis.bellsouth.net (mail301.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KC4Iu19732 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.75]) by imf01bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020820120548.IZGL12335.imf01bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:05:48 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c24841$98fc7070$4b144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: <20020820025410.78161.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:03:27 -0400 Status: RO Hey Bella! Nice to see you here! Apollonia, waving to Bella.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 08:53:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08640 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:53:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KCt3Y18756; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KCt2u03968; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KCsEu03760 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m195.in-tch.com [216.166.191.195]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7KCdt913143 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:39:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D623CDD.19CB28E5@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online References: <20020820085827.83955.qmail@web40017.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:58:05 -0600 Status: RO *laughs*....We just may bump into each other, at that! I'm not exactly sure (don't have itinerary handy) which London day it is that we've reserved for the V&A.... --sue Rachel wrote: > > Sue, > > I'll be in the V&A on the 31st myself, so if you fancy a joint drool, I'll see you there. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 09:11:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08931 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:11:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KDD3Y19720; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KDD2u09544; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KDCqu09482 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA62920 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:12:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online In-Reply-To: <3D619C14.CBBED336@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > What kind of camera did you use? I'm going to both the V&A and the > Costume Museum in Bath (aiming at the same items ), and I need to > get a useful camera for my trip. I used a Mavica CD400. Mucho moola, but it was a gift, so I didn't have to pay for it. :) Pros: it takes fantastic low-light photos (all of the ones I have up were taken without flash), has a great zoom capability, and writes to an internal cd-r so you can store @150 high-quality pics on one CD. It also takes short movies, and can be charged by plugging into a wall. Cons: it has to be held absolutely still while taking the picture, or else it blurs. This is even more apparent when it's zoomed in. Fortunately you can see the photo you just took, so if it's blurry, you can delete it and try again...which I got real good at doing. :) Also, when you use the flash, the color is off and the lighting is really harsh. There are earlier versions of the camera that write to floppy disks rather than CDs--also good for closeups in low-light conditions, and @ $300 used. > --Sue, who got to pick up her euros and pounds at the bank today, so the > trip's actually seeming real! gack! I've got *way* too much to get > done..... I know exactly how you feel! Have tons of fun in England! Oh, I've heard the Nottingham costume museum is definitely worth a look-see, especially as it may be going away soon. BTW, the Tudor Group is recreating 16th c. life at the Mary Rose Trust in Portsmouth, between 8/24 and 8/26. I visited a Tudor Group portrayal while I was in England, and it was positively inspirational, the quality of work they did. Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 09:15:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09062 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:15:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KDH3Y19958; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KDH3u10918; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KDGRu10664 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:16:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08783 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:18:57 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020819014206.04c18c70@mail.frys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:18:57 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > Rent a video/DVD of Dangerous Beauty, which is set in Venise in your > period. Oh, I know we had some really productive discussion of the good and bad points of the costume in this movie when it first came out. It should be in the archives. Go to http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/ and choose the "old" search engine at the bottom. Searches and loading are very slow there, but you can search by keyword (in this case, the movie title, or perhaps Veronica Frano). For each hit, you'll get a month's worth of postings to download. You can either search through them for your keyword, or (once you've located the year and thread and noted the subject line) go back to the main search engine and search on subject line, to get individual posts. The only part of this thread I remember is people chuckling over the costume Veronica wears in which she tears away the skirt to fence in breeches. This seemed to be a takeoff of the famous period costume-book picture that has the flip-up page so you could see what was under a skirt (chopines and some sort of breeches) -- interpreted to make a *real* removable skirt. I seem to recall people agreeing that for the most part, the courtesans' costumes had lots of flaws from a historical sense, but that the rest of the people were pretty good. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 09:24:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09292 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:24:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KDQ5Y20500; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:26:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KDQ3u13763; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:26:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7KDPSu13557 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:25:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820132527.20912.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:25:27 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:25:27 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > I seem to recall people agreeing that for the most part, the courtesans' > costumes had lots of flaws from a historical sense, but that the rest of > the people were pretty good. Oh yes I do remember this thread, it was very interesting. I suppose the person to ask about all this is Bella herself, I recall inteersting discussions on the Courtesan list as well as far as I remember, or was it the Italian list? Still, from a pure 'fantasy costume' point of view, I love the clothes in the movie. It rates together with Ever After as one of my favourite 'one day I want to have this costume' list. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 09:44:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09748 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:44:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KDkFY21836; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KDkAu20805; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:46:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf22bis.bellsouth.net (mail122.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.82]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KDjxu20706 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:45:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.75]) by imf22bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020820134549.BEB11319.imf22bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:45:49 -0400 Message-ID: <013601c2484f$cc7ff7b0$4b144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:45:06 -0400 Status: RO Wah! Everyone gets to go but me!! Apollonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online > *laughs*....We just may bump into each other, at that! > I'm not exactly sure (don't have itinerary handy) which London day it is > that we've reserved for the V&A.... > --sue > > Rachel wrote: > > > > Sue, > > > > I'll be in the V&A on the 31st myself, so if you fancy a joint drool, I'll see you there. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 09:49:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09819 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:49:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KDpCY22177; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:51:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KDpAu22534; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KDoou22428 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:50:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08987 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:53:20 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:53:20 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Kate M Bunting wrote: > In Shaw's "Saint Joan" (closely based on the transcripts of her trial, > I believe) the authorities try to stop Joan from continuing to wear > male attire in prison, even though she claims it is for protection > against the guards. I once edited an encyclopedia feature based on the transcripts. Although Joan was captured in battle, England did not try her as a prisoner of war, but instead handed her over to the Church to be tried as a witch and a heretic. Clothing came up during the questioning. On March 17, 1431, the interrogator asked whether Joan believed God had commanded her to wear men's clothes. She replied, "The clothes are a minor matter; and I did not take up men's clothes on the advice of this world. I neither put on these clothes nor did I do anything except by the commandment of God and his angels." On May 24, 1431, after four months of testimony and interrogation, the tribunal announced two formal charges against Joan: not heresy or witchcraft, but lack of submission to the Church, and the wearing of men's clothing -- these being the only offenses of which she was clearly guilty. Joan avoided the death sentence by signing a statement in which she agreed never again to wear men's clothing and affirmed that her "voices" had misled her. In exchange, she would be given an easy sentence: serving a term (typically three years for repentent heretics) in a church prison with women guards. That's where things went really wrong. On May 28, hearing that Joan was wearing men's clothing again, the judges came to her prison cell for an explanation. Joan said that she was wearing men's clothes because the agreement had not been honored: she was in fact still in her military prison cell in the hands of hostile English guards, and she was in kept in irons and not allowed to go to mass and receive communion. She said wearing the men's clothing under these circumstances was more "lawful and convenient." She also said she had heard the voices of St. Catherine and St. Margaret, who told her that in signing the statement, she was damning herself to save her life, and God grieved over this. (Some people at this time believed that the English jailers had something to do with this. It was reported that the day after signing the statement, Joan woke to find her women's clothing gone and only male clothing available for her to dress in.) Regardless of whether Joan's choice of dress were forced or deliberate, the judges took this action and her statement of regret over signing as proof of her heretical nature. The next day, the judges declared her guilty as a relapsed heretic and condemned her to burn at the stake on May 30. Joan's own statements, too much to retype here, are truly heartbreaking. For those who wish to read more, there are many books available. I'd recommend anything by Bonnie Wheeler, a scholar I know from Kalamazoo and a specialist on Joan -- and the person we hired to write the article I edited (from which the above is cribbed). Bonnie also has recommended Polly Brooks' "Beyond the Myth: The Story of Joan of Arc," and Regine Pernoud's "Joan of Arc: Her Story." This was about three years ago, so there are probably other good sources since then. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 09:57:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10004 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:57:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KDx3Y22650; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KDx2u25684; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KDw1u25152 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.112] (pm4-112.eos.net [205.133.149.112]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11669 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:57:58 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020820131302.9531.43277.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: cross-dressing soldiers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:56:25 -0400 Status: RO First, let me say that I in no way wish to impinge on anyone's personal liberties. If women want to dress up as men and impersonate soldiers, that's their business. Saying that it was common in any period for women to do so, on the other hand, is just untrue. Furthermore, one must infer that most of the women of the past who did manage to pass as men did just that -- they passed as men. People didn't know they were women. So if you're dressing as a man but people can tell you're a woman, then you're not passing, you're having fun. There should be a clear distinction between history and fantasy, both of which have their place. I must say, though, that I find the number of women reenactors (I'm using this term broadly) who seem to want to portray "atypical" women very interesting. This seems to say a lot about us, not about them. Why do so many of us think that what women did in the past is too boring or demeaning for us to do? As a 21st century woman, I find it interesting that so many of my contemporaries think that life can only be worth living if women do what men do. I don't find that particularly liberated, myself. In the past, the "dull" tasks done by women were as vital to survival as those done by men (most of which were also dull). Again, speaking of my personal OPINION and not trying to dictate anything, it seems to me that the way tasks and gender roles were assigned until very recently had more to do with necessity than with oppression. And when learning about the past, I want to know what people really did. Please don't get me wrong -- I am not criticizing anyone! I am just making an observation. And I am very glad to live now, when we all have so much choice!!!!! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 10:00:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10130 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:00:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KE2GY22921; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:02:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KE2Gu27086; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KE1Nu26652 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:01:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.112] (pm4-112.eos.net [205.133.149.112]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13100 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:01:21 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020820085403.4199.27872.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: stays again Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:00:31 -0400 Status: RO Nicole -- Thank you for that explanation. I didn't know that stays like that were worn by the middle class. because I don't study that period. I would certainly wear them if I had them! Yours are lovely. The original ones Drea photographed look very tight, that's why I thought "Ouch!" I am assuming that they are not tight, though, but that they look tight because of how they are displayed. After all, they were supposed to make the waist look small. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 10:05:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10218 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:05:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KE73Y23350; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KE72u29141; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40017.mail.yahoo.com (web40017.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7KE61u28774 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820140556.12911.qmail@web40017.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40017.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:05:56 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= To: Historic Costuming , Elizabeth I List , europe16thc , H-costume list , Tudor Talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: [Histrenact] - FWD: Update on the Newport "Save our Ship" Campaign Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:05:56 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I thought some of you may be interested in this. Apologies if it is a bit off topic Rachel > --------Forwarded Message------- > > Dear All, > > Below please find an update on the "Save the Newport Medieval Ship" Campaign > from Simon Rutherford, Chairman of Chepstow Archaeological Society, and > (very) active local campaigner. > > If you live close to Newport please support the campaign events - those > living further afield (and indeed beyond these shores) can still help by > joining the email campaign - details at www.britarch.ac.uk/sosnewport > . > > Also see the website for recently added pictures of the ship and campaign > events/activity, including the round-the-clock vigil being maintained at the > ship site. > > And many thanks to all those who have already written to state their support > for the campaign! Your efforts are very greatly appreciated > > Best wishes > > Alex Hunt > Research and Conservation Officer > Council for British Archaeology > Tel: 01904 671417 > Fax: 01904 671384 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mr.S.C.Rutherford [mailto:chairman@chepstow.org.uk] > Sent: 18 August 2002 22:33 > Subject: FYI > > > Info on www.britarch.ac.uk/sosnewport > and www.chepstow.org.uk/page7.html > > Tell folks about the charity gig on Monday . > > Monday 12th August. Campaign Starts. SOS Campaign names Ship "The ISCA" > ______________________________________________ > Friday 16th August. 24/7 vigil starts. Immense support from local people. > Motorists, taxis, lorry drivers, emergency vehicles & police sound their > horns and sirens every time they drive past. > ______________________________________________ > > Saturday 17th August. 24/7 vigil continues. Guardian takes photos. Kevnian, > Newport's own Bard of the Buses is appointed the official Ship's Laureate. > > SAVE IT FOR THE SAKE OF THE CITY > > If you see the ship and feel the presence of destiny, > You know in your heart you don't want to let go. > > Like the treasure you have found, the Ship is our City, > It is it's pleasure you don't want to let go. > ______________________________________________ > > Diverse Fact. Archaeologists are being stopped on trains and local stations > after being recognised from TV and site. Passers by are quizzing them on > Ship - amazing interest. The SOS Campaign is a phenomenon that will be > studied in years to come - all walks of the community, and all races are > inspired by Our Ship. > ______________________________________________ > > Saturday 17th August. 24/7 vigil continues. Wales Assembly pledges support, > but repeat the fantasy £20M estimate for a Maritime Museum. The Boat will > still be destroyed on 27th August. > SOS are only asking it be saved. > _______________________________________________ > > Sunday 18th August. 24/7 vigil continues. SOS lobby at UK Cycling > Championships in Newport. 6,000 signatures. 90% of passing traffic sounds > horn. > ______________________________________________ > > Monday 19th August. 24/7 vigil continues. OTT, Market St. Newport to host > charity event for SOS, Monday Night. > ______________________________________________ > > Diverse Fact - Famous Newport TJs is supporting the campaign and welcoming > campaigners, supporters and diggers. > > > ______________________________________________ > > Wednesday 21st August. 24/7 vigil continues. Flotilla of sailing boats will > salute the Newport Ship, Candelit Vigil, Demonstration. With a well known > special guest... more to follow... > > ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 10:05:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10225 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:05:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KE78Y23362; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:07:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KE78u29202; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:07:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40003.mail.yahoo.com (web40003.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.21]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7KE6su29079 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820140648.76520.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:06:48 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= To: Historic Costuming , Elizabeth I List , europe16thc , H-costume list , Tudor Talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: [Histrenact] - FWD: "SAVE OUR SHIP CAMPAIGN" TO SAIL PETITION FROM NEWPORT TO NAT IONA L ASSEMBLY Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:06:48 +0100 (BST) Status: RO And a bit more > -----Forwarded Message----- > > PRESS RELEASE > Save our Ship Campaign > Monday 17th August, PM > > For Immediate Release > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > "SAVE OUR SHIP CAMPAIGN" TO SAIL PETITION FROM NEWPORT TO NATIONAL ASSEMBLY > Meanwhile visitors wanting to view ship arrive in their droves > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > Newport Mayor Bob Poole, after considerable pressure, reluctantly promised > to accept a petition from the people of Newport lobbying for the > preservation of our 1465 Merchant Ship, named by the campaign the ISCA. A > large demonstration peacefully marched through the town this morning 19th > August 2002, blowing whistles and enjoying a family carnival type > atmosphere. It is notable that a large number of young people, who feel > passionately about this matter, attended, giving the demonstration their > full support. > > However, on arrival at the Civic Centre, the Mayor was seen leaving in his > official car. The Chief Executive then presented the Mayor's apologies and > appeared to receive the petition, but it was decided by SOS that it would be > more appropriate to hand over the 6000 plus signatures to First Minister > Rhodri Morgan. The Campaign will sail the petition down to the National > Assembly for Wales. > > SOS spokesman Charles Ferris commented: > > "The Mayor only agreed to receive the petition after we threatened to have > two local teenagers appear on TV to say that Newport City council don't > care. He has now reneged on that agreement, and obviously doesn't care. He > is a coward, afraid of the people of Newport. If we can't trust the > council's word on receiving a petition, how can we trust them on the future > of the Ship ISCA?" > > ISCA is still scheduled for destruction on 27th August. > > Meanwhile visitors travelling from all parts of Britain to see the Medieval > Ship have been deeply disappointed as the site remains closed while > archaeologists race against time to document the find before building works > recommence on the 27th August. > > During the last few days people have travelled from as far afield as, > Plymouth, Brighton, Leicester and Sutton Coldfield. Hundreds of local > families from the Newport Area, Swansea and the South Wales Valleys have > also made the trip in vain. The site has been opened to the public on two > evenings during the last two weeks but many of those who have missed out are > calling for Newport City Council to make arrangements for additional viewing > days before the site is covered up again. Over ten thousand people have > visited the ship on the two public viewing evenings held so far. > > Supporters of the "Save Our Ship" campaign continue to mount an 'around the > clock vigil' to lobby for full recovery of the ship's timbers in the final > count down before the site is covered up again. Organisers of the S.O.S. > campaign have requested that Newport City Council arrange a further viewing > day and in the meantime are advising people not to travel without first > checking that the archaeological site will be open. > > Intending visitors are advised to telephone Newport Civic Center information > on 01633 244491 or the Newport Tourist Information Centre on 01633 842962 > for information about future open days. > > Notes for Editors: > --------------------------- > > 1) The SOS campaign is being coordinated by local volunteers in Newport who > are calling for the full recovery of the timbers of the recently discovered > medieval ship. The ship was found during foundation works for the orchestra > pit of a new Theatre and Arts Centre, which is being funded with grants from > the Arts Council for Wales. The Welsh Assembly and Cadw have so far made > over £350,000 available to suspend construction and enable the recording > work to take place, but there is currently no plan to save more than a tiny > (less than 5%) sample of key timbers. National archaeological bodies > including the Council for British Archaeology and the Council for British > Archaeology Wales/Cymru have thrown their support behind the campaign. > > 2) The Newport Ship has been described as a cross between a cog and a Viking > longship, tree-ring dated to the winter of 1465/6 and apparently recently > returned from Portugal, with loads of Portuguese pottery and large lumps of > cork. Unique in northern Europe, she is the only extant example of a > merchantman of this period. > > 3) Newport Council already recognizes that the ship is an important find - > see http://www.newport.gov.uk/news/ > > 4) Following recording and sampling, the majority of the ship is currently > due to be bulldozed over the 26/27 August public holiday > > 5) Local contacts for the campaign are: Charles Ferris - 01633 251665, Jan > Preece - 01633 244893, Simon Rutherford - 01633 273014 email: > SoS@chepstow.org.uk > > 6) An email campaign is also being run encouraging people both locally, and > from across the world, to write to lend their support to the campaign - see > www.britarch.ac.uk/sosnewport. > > ENDS > > ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 10:06:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10241 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:06:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KE83Y23449; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:08:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KE82u29592; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7KE75u29158 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820140704.26281.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:07:04 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cross-dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:07:04 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > I must say, though, that I find the number of women reenactors (I'm using > this term broadly) who seem to want to portray "atypical" women very > interesting. This seems to say a lot about us, not about them. Why do so > many of us think that what women did in the past is too boring or demeaning > for us to do? As a 21st century woman, I find it interesting that so many of > my contemporaries think that life can only be worth living if women do what > men do. I don't find that particularly liberated, myself. Hmm... I'm sorry gail, but I don't quite understand where you did get this impression from? I personally don't recall this being said in this threat, I think most of us really enjoy doing sewing/embroidering/cooking/baking/whatever. I thought what some said was that I FELT undervalued in the re-enactment group/environment but not that they undervalued what they did and enjoyed themselves. Uhm, does that make sense? I just don't want you to think that many women thought what women did in the past was demeaning, because I honestly don't think that this was the attitude in this thread. I felt it was rather on the contrary, and people were looking for different places/societies/ opportunities where to do what they enjoy doing and what is historical. But then maybe I am wrong here and maybe the sentiment was negative? Nicole - who doesn't cook (bah!) but does all sorts of needlework and lace ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 10:07:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10262 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:07:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KE93Y23509; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KE92u00175; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7KE8Zu29886 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:08:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820140834.26468.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:08:34 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: stays again To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:08:34 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > Thank you for that explanation. I didn't know that stays like that were worn > by the middle class. because I don't study that period. I would certainly > wear them if I had them! Yours are lovely. Thank you and you're very welcome. > The original ones Drea photographed look very tight, that's why I thought > "Ouch!" I am assuming that they are not tight, though, but that they look > tight because of how they are displayed. After all, they were supposed to > make the waist look small. Uhm, yes, they would be tight, so I mine, that's the point of a corset/boned bodice? They are not ouch though, hnestly not, all my stays are extremely comfortable while being very tight. They just re-distribute flesh. *grins* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 10:36:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10929 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:36:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KEc6Y25881; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:38:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KEc4u14133; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KEb6u13668 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA09536.; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:38:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:36:46 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: cross-dressing soldiers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7KEb6u13668 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:36:39 +0100 Status: RO The Sealed Knot doesn't claim that it was common for women to fight dressed as men. I suppose in the society's early days more than 30 years ago, when standards of authenticity were not high anyway, it was permitted in order to boost the numbers on the battlefield, and so has become a tradition. Members who talk to the public face to face are discouraged from cross-dressing. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 10:49:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11297 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:49:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KEp3Y26863; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KEp2u20139; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21306.mail.yahoo.com (web21306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7KEoCu19724 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020820145012.69512.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.25.105.174] by web21306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:50:12 PDT From: kj green To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] RE: Treadle or Crank Machines Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO You should also check sewing machine repair shops. They'll be more $$ because they've been repaired, oiled and have a new belt. My repair guy usually has several available--not just the heads either; he's got the cabinets to go with them. I just happened to notice because he had one just like my 1904 treadle. While I have several other machines, I'd never trade my treadle in--I even made my wedding gown on it! I've also got a machine with a crank at an SCA auction for $30. The crank is a separate attachment that I think could be used on any non-electric machine. kate __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 10:55:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11423 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:55:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KEv3Y27393; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KEv2u23041; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KEtwu22566 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:55:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-67.28.34.43.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([67.28.34.43] helo=earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17hAQG-00033N-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:55:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3D62571D.7DF91CB3@earthlink.net> From: Ms Berard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Old sewing machines to charity? References: <20020820075656.61438.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:50:05 -0500 Status: RO You would be surprised. I'm on a treadle machine list and they buy from e-bay all the time and have it shipped. And the main complaint about shipping is how well it is done (or not done) than the price. Onaree N Kipar wrote: > > --- "Megan M." wrote: > NIcole, some of us collect > these old sewing machines and fix them up and SEW > > on them. Please do not throw it away without at least posting me a picture > > so I could see if I want to pay the shipping to get it to me. > > -Megan > > Oh no, don't worry megan, I already kept the boys (well, my English family at > home) from chucking it out. I don't think though it is worth the enormous > shipping. I'll take piccies when I have my camera, but how the doodah do I get > my parents to give it to me before Christmas.... *gruntle* lying around > uselessly at my parents' home... *sniff* > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Ubi dubium ibi libertas: Where there is doubt, there is freedom. -- Latin proverb _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 11:09:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12068 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:09:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KFB5Y28630; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:11:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFB3u00444; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFAgu00152 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7KEuN901422 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:56:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D625D57.9CDB0F50@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online References: <013601c2484f$cc7ff7b0$4b144ed8@sgrochoski> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:16:39 -0600 Status: RO Your turn will come...I've been waiting for a long, long time, myself. Decades, as a matter of fact! I don't make a lot of money, so I'd kinda figured it might never happen. I'm mostly using money I set aside from my inheritance that I got when my folks both died a few years ago. That, and credit cards I'll be a *looooonnnnggg* time paying off (hey, maybe that will keep me home, using up the stuff I've already got to finish costumes that have been waiting ages? ) --sue Apollonia Margherita wrote: > > Wah! Everyone gets to go but me!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 11:20:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12384 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:20:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KFJ3Y29539; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFJ2u05044; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFIxu04995 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:18:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7KF4f905039 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D625F49.282FB464@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro References: <20020820132527.20912.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:24:57 -0600 Status: RO Yeah, me too...although the stuff in that new movie about Joan the Mad may edge it out. Well, and there are a couple of fun/fantasy outfits in "Shakespeare in Love" that I adore too, although by-and-large, I'm not hugely fond of much that Gwyneth Paltrow wears (but then again, I really can't *stand* Gywneth). Heck, I even liked the Princess' outfit in "Braveheart" (not exactly a movie noted for historical accuracy...but, ooooh, Mel Gibson in long hair....)--not the hideous pink thing, but her fancy outfit when she's formally meeting Mel's character.... (*sigh*...come to think of it...Mel Gibson in just about *anything*....aaccckkk....sorry for the OT drooling ;-) --sue N Kipar wrote: > > Oh yes I do remember this thread, it was very interesting. I suppose the person > to ask about all this is Bella herself, I recall inteersting discussions on the > Courtesan list as well as far as I remember, or was it the Italian list? > > Still, from a pure 'fantasy costume' point of view, I love the clothes in the > movie. It rates together with Ever After as one of my favourite 'one day I want > to have this costume' list. :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 11:21:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12389 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:21:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KFKEY29679; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFKDu05785; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:20:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFJWu05359 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.88.1cd3be23 (4380) for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:19:24 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <88.1cd3be23.2a93b7fc@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_88.1cd3be23.2a93b7fc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Italian List??? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:19:24 EDT Status: RO --part1_88.1cd3be23.2a93b7fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/20/02 10:11:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nicole wrote: > Oh yes I do remember this thread, it was very interesting. I suppose the > person > to ask about all this is Bella herself, I recall interesting discussions on > the > Courtesan list as well as far as I remember, or was it the Italian list? > Italian List??? Please tell me more! I hadn't realized that there was a list just on Italian costuming. Nancy --part1_88.1cd3be23.2a93b7fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/20/02 10:11:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nicole wrote:


Oh yes I do remember this thread, it was very interesting. I suppose the person
to ask about all this is Bella herself, I recall interesting discussions on the
Courtesan list as well as far as I remember, or was it the Italian list?


Italian List???  Please tell me more!  I hadn't realized that there was a list just on Italian costuming.

Nancy
--part1_88.1cd3be23.2a93b7fc_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 11:31:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12511 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:31:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KFXMY01298; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:33:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFX2u13480; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf20bis.bellsouth.net (mail020.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFWtu13409 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.75]) by imf20bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020820153248.WQCN28754.imf20bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:32:48 -0400 Message-ID: <019301c2485e$be2cfbe0$4b144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: <88.1cd3be23.2a93b7fc@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian List??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:32:04 -0400 Status: RO Here are the Italian lists I am on. None are very busy... If someone knows more, let me know! ItalianPersona@yahoogroups.com italianrenaissancecostuming@yahoogroups.com Courtesan@yahoogroups.com Apollonia ----- Original Message ----- From: MaddNancy@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:19 AM Subject: [h-cost] Italian List??? Italian List??? Please tell me more! I hadn't realized that there was a list just on Italian costuming. Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 11:35:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12579 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:35:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KFbEY01723; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:37:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFb2u16098; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf20bis.bellsouth.net (mail020.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFaOu15706 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.75]) by imf20bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020820153617.WSML28754.imf20bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:36:17 -0400 Message-ID: <019d01c2485f$3aadb1f0$4b144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Movies was Intro Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:35:34 -0400 Status: RO Now see, I am a Blackadder person. Especially the Elizabethan ones.... Mmmmmm..... I want Percy's garb, you see, without Percy... Apollonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro > Yeah, me too...although the stuff in that new movie about Joan the Mad > may edge it out. > Well, and there are a couple of fun/fantasy outfits in "Shakespeare in > Love" that I adore too, although by-and-large, I'm not hugely fond of > much that Gwyneth Paltrow wears (but then again, I really can't *stand* > Gywneth). > Heck, I even liked the Princess' outfit in "Braveheart" (not exactly a > movie noted for historical accuracy...but, ooooh, Mel Gibson in long > hair....)--not the hideous pink thing, but her fancy outfit when > she's formally meeting Mel's character.... > (*sigh*...come to think of it...Mel Gibson in just about > *anything*....aaccckkk....sorry for the OT drooling ;-) > --sue > Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi ***************************************************************** [Baldrick enters, carrying the front door] Edmund: Baldrick, I advise you to make the explanation you are about to give phenomenally good. Baldrick: You said, 'Get the door. Edmund: Not good enough. You're fired. Baldrick: But my lord, I've been in your family since 1532! Edmund: So has syphilis. Now get out! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 11:39:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12624 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:39:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KFfHY02171; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:41:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFf3u18407; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFeAu17939 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:40:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7KFPp914403 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:25:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D626439.D28FB705@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cross-dressing soldiers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:46:01 -0600 Status: RO I'd imagine that it's our modern cultural influences, as much as anything. My personal tastes and skills actually fall more in the "traditional" areas for women, but I absolutely despise the automatic assumption on the part of some people (I live in a pretty conservative state) that my tendency towards traditional crafts, etc. de facto extends to my politics and religion. And it doesn't. No way in h.....(*ahem*...sorry about that...hot button topic) Our foremothers and forefathers fought very long and hard, some of them, for women's and minority rights (and many continue this now, of course), and that's very important to a lot of us--enough so, that maybe we may instinctively concentrate on those role models (or possible role models) in the past with which we can best identify--for a lot of us, especially baby-boomers and younger, we grew up with certain cultural assumptions just as our mothers and aunts did. How many of you have ever read a bodice-ripper (aka "historical romance") in which the heroines all seem to despise traditional roles, skills, etc. Only rarely have I seen one in which the heroine falls into the more typical roles of her day--usually, they just more resemble modern women in drag, so to speak. It wouldn't occur to me that I couldn't wear pants if I felt like it, or vote (which I do regularly), or protest against unfair/sexist treatment, etc., etc. A lot of us (at least in the U.S.) grew up with this idea, too, of being able to do anything you want, if you work at it enough. So...then people like this end up getting interested in history, or historical reenactment, and they're interested in the martial aspects, and the rules make participation as an obvious woman difficult, they're more likely to try to find a way around the rules. At least, that's what I'm assuming! I've learned, myself, that I probably prefer to work with textiles and related fields (costume, needlework, etc.) not because they are considered "traditional" women's work, but because my genetic background (primarily on my mother's side) is very strong in weavers, etc. Probably the one I most closely resemble is my grandfather, whom I regretfully never really got to know. I wonder, for those of you who are more widely read than I, did past cultures who've been interested in history run into the same identification/assumption issues? The people who lived in the "victorian" era, for instance? all those yummy pre-Raphaelites? Or the folks in the various parts of Renaissance Italy? How did their cultural backgrounds influence _their_ interpretations of the past? --Sue's coffee-fueled 2-euros worth Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > I must say, though, that I find the number of women reenactors (I'm using > this term broadly) who seem to want to portray "atypical" women very > interesting. This seems to say a lot about us, not about them. Why do so > many of us think that what women did in the past is too boring or demeaning > for us to do? As a 21st century woman, I find it interesting that so many of > my contemporaries think that life can only be worth living if women do what > men do. I don't find that particularly liberated, myself. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 11:55:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12986 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:55:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KFvGY03947; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFv3u28252; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:57:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFuju28054 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:56:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-115-195.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.115.195]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJY41265; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:56:34 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <017201c24862$936a3040$80654ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:59:03 +0100 Status: RO >In Shaw's "Saint Joan" (closely based on the transcripts of her trial, I believe) the authorities try to stop Joan from continuing to wear male attire in prison, even though she claims it is for protection against the guards. Agreed, but she was a marked woman by then nobody was going to be fair & twisted any rulings to assist in her demise, I don't think you can take her as a typical example in fairness. I have a ref somewhere which was the law brought up in her defence, if only I can rember where it was :( Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 11:57:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13029 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:57:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KFxDY04230; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFx3u29659; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailjaya.creighton.edu (MailjayA.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KFwIu29113 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:58:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by mailjaya.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11222 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:15:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000001c2485c$98739d20$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Treadle or Crank Machines MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2482F.3A14CE20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:51:59 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2482F.3A14CE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone knows of a good source for handcrank sewing machines that are = in working order(lockstitch, preferred), please let me know. Due to much = more typing necessary in my job because of a major database change, I = can't do as much handsewing as I like and making doll clothing on an = electric machine doesn't work well for me--can't slow an electric down = enough for exacting short seams, etc. There are Goodwills in my area but = old crank and treadle machines must be collectors' items in my area Cindy Abel =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2482F.3A14CE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If anyone knows of a good source for = handcrank=20 sewing machines that are in working order(lockstitch, preferred), please = let me=20 know. Due to much more typing necessary in my job because of a major = database=20 change, I can't do as much handsewing as I like and making doll clothing = on an=20 electric machine doesn't work well for me--can't slow an electric down = enough=20 for exacting short seams, etc. There are Goodwills in my area but old = crank and=20 treadle machines must be collectors' items in my area
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2482F.3A14CE20-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 12:04:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13222 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:04:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KG6IY05160; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:06:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KG63u03988; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:06:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KG5Qu03585 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:05:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-115-195.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.115.195]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJY42922; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:04:42 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <017801c24863$b653c2a0$80654ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <118.16036d53.2a936999@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:07:40 +0100 Status: RO >I suppose I should have also pointed out that I fought heavies in a skirt, (great weapons only, I wasn't going to let some linebacker that close with a club) Sorry I don't really understand this is it some reference to SCA weaponry ? >However, the ONLY time I have ever tripped over my skirt while fighting was the time I stepped into a hole and was stepping back out of it Well if this is the case you have my admiration because I am quite sure in a fight situation, especially where it was one (me) against multiple opponants I'd be badly disadvantaged in a skirt. I'm not terribly inclined to try it I must admit although as I mentioned I have fought in a skirt, but that was only one to one. >Any way, my point was not to drag everyone into a conversation about fighting, but rather to point out that you can quite successfully fight in a full length skirt. Given you should bend you knees to fight, does this not make your skirt greater than full length & even more in the way ? I admit to fancying a bit of gentle short sword in my Vicky kit :) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 12:19:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13418 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:19:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KGLgY06997; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:21:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KGLau14259; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:21:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KGKHu13411 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:20:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-115-195.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.115.195]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJY45554; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:20:06 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <018101c24865$dcda8380$80654ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cross-dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:23:04 +0100 Status: RO >This seems to say a lot about us, not about them. Why do so many of us think that what women did in the past is too boring or demeaning for us to do? I don't trouble is much of what was done has no immediate feel good factor for newcomers. But you have hit the nail on the head in wondering why we think that way now. >In the past, the "dull" tasks done by women were as vital to survival as those done by men (most of which were also dull). Again, speaking of my personal OPINION and not trying to dictate anything, it seems to me that the way tasks and gender roles were assigned until very recently had more to do with necessity than with oppression. To a certain degree I'd agree but in many cultures the "oppresion" can be seen in the divide between food resources, staus of goods etc. Of course in others it isn't so. It is really hard to strike a balance and impossible to make at statement covering all situations so I don't think I'll try. But for an example in one book on history I read that women in Anglo Saxon England were anemic due to lack of iron. However, in digs on an Anglo Saxon cemetary average size for men & women equaled those of modern people in England & there were absolutly no signs of dietary deficiences en mass in the population or amongst a single sex. So in general that & a lot of other information I have on Anglo Saxons suggest that women were not oppressed but division of labour was on reasonably sensible grounds as you suggest. But if I take Victorian London, the situation is completly different, both women and status oppresion was rife. And this is seen in statue, age of attainment of stature and many other factors. In England ( I don't like to state for elsewhere & covering completly one country is hard enough) there are many degrees os oppresion and a post conquest England with AS Rulers would it is postulated, have been far less oppressive than AN rule. OTOH much of our history until recently hads been written from a male, post Victorian cultural bias and I don't actually think we see the whole gamete of the achievements of women as women in history yet, given more time I'm sure we will. But costume as a socially restrictive tool I think has been used & will continue to be use, whether by gender, culture or status. Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 12:21:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13442 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:21:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KGN6Y07206; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:23:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KGN5i15306; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:23:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.boston.juno.com (m28.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7KGM3i14622 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWqks3P+kHVqJ3sxr1f+Va0kTYqlviSn3ZA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id HANWKQWV; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:21:43 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] button, buton, who's got the buttons? Message-ID: <20020820.122127.-154081.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:30:26 -0400 Status: RO I made linen ones using the method in the book and had no trouble at all. Maybe she is trying for perfection which you won't get with that kind of button. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 14:18:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14757 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:18:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KIKNY20219; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:20:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KIKIx01091; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:20:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KIJux00813 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:19:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11088 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:22:27 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cross-dressing soldiers In-Reply-To: <20020820140704.26281.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:22:27 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > --- Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > > > I must say, though, that I find the number of women reenactors (I'm using > > this term broadly) who seem to want to portray "atypical" women very > > interesting. This seems to say a lot about us, not about them. Why do so > > many of us think that what women did in the past is too boring or demeaning > > for us to do? As a 21st century woman, I find it interesting that so many of > > my contemporaries think that life can only be worth living if women do what > > men do. I don't find that particularly liberated, myself. > > Hmm... I'm sorry gail, but I don't quite understand where you did get > this impression from? I personally don't recall this being said in > this threat, I think most of us really enjoy doing > sewing/embroidering/cooking/baking/whatever. I'm not Gail, but I got the impression she was speaking from her own re-enactment experience, not speaking of the people on this list. That is, when she said "my contemporaries," I read it as meaning the people she has done re-enactment with. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 14:25:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14835 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:25:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KIR5Y21022; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KIR2x05240; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KIQ1x04645 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip20.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.20]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7KIPuT06037 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:25:57 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] button, buton, who's got the buttons? Message-ID: <3D6228CE.1660.1A76E599@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020820.122127.-154081.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:32:30 -0700 Status: RO > I made linen ones using the method in the book and had no > trouble > at all. Maybe she is trying for perfection which you won't get with > that kind of button. It also depends on your interpretation of the diagrams. If you put in the outermost row of stitching and then pull, then do another row and then pull, then the next (etc) you will end up with a button which is self contained and all neatly packed in. However, if you put in the rows of stitching *first*, it doesn't seem to give an effective button. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 14:33:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15022 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:33:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KIZAY21837; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:35:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KIZ7x10198; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:35:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KIYQx09785 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:34:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11169 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:36:56 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] button, buton, who's got the buttons? In-Reply-To: <3D619E1F.7CDB09C@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:36:56 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Teddy's done them, and says they're pretty easy...I bet he can give you > some pointers when he "catches" your message. IIRC, Teddy used a method I told him about, which is simpler than the one in the London book and ends up looking just the same. I can't vouch that it's period, but it's really straightforward, and I don't think it's out of the question as being a legitimate hypothesis. Perhaps Teddy can locate and forward my earlier post for more detail. In brief, it involves cutting a circle (or even a square!) of fabric, stitching a circle with a running stitch, pulling the circle tight with the fabric edges or corners caught to the *inside* as stuffing, and then taking additional stitches to close up the back. Use the rest of the thread to attach to the garment. This requires no extra stuffing, because it's all one piece of fabric. You do need to experiment to find out exactly how large to make your original piece and how large to make your circle so you always get the same size of button. Once you figure out what works, you can cut all the pieces at the same time. You might find something circular to draw around so your stitching circle is always the same size. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 14:34:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15054 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:34:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7KIa9Y21954; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:36:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KIa9x10801; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:36:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KIZax10499 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11206 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:38:07 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] button, buton, who's got the buttons? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:38:07 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Mary Temple wrote: > A friend of mine is trying her hand at making cloth buttons like those > in the MoL Textiles and Clothing book. She said she tried the method > in the book, and was very unsatisfied. Can anyone else suggest > something? (method, extant examples, alternate button types, etc.) Oh, as for alternate button types -- the MOL book on Dress Accessories includes a nice section on other types of buttons. Only the cloth ones show up in T&C, but they're by no means the only button type. You can probably assume also that many types (e.g. wood) would not have survived. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 16:51:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17437 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:51:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KKmAth004980; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:48:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KKm7d02622; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:48:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf18bis.bellsouth.net (mail018.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KKlDd02042 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:47:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.75]) by imf18bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020820204705.XGIW18137.imf18bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:47:05 -0400 Message-ID: <029b01c2488a$a5b38e90$4b144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0298_01C24869.13A96630" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Corset pattern generator/ Elizabethan corset help!` Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:46:05 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0298_01C24869.13A96630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am making the boned tabbed corset for my first, I have the pieces cut = out. 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------=_NextPart_000_0298_01C24869.13A96630-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 17:02:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17601 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:02:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KL44th006192; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KL42d12628; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KL3nd12462 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA66793 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:03:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern generator/ Elizabethan corset help!` In-Reply-To: <029b01c2488a$a5b38e90$4b144ed8@sgrochoski> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I usually do a curve, narrowing to a point at the space between the tabs. Actually, those instructions are pretty outdated; nowadays I make my boned tab corsets differently. Put the outside and inside wrong sides together, stitch the boning channels, slip in the boning, and hand-stitch the binding around the bottom edge, first on the front and then on the back. I only cut the tabs when I'm about to run the binding up one side of a tab and down the other. This way is more work, but I like the end result better. :) Anyway, if you're sewing the tabs with two 90 degree turns, make sure that you snip two diagonal cuts into each of the two corners. This is necessary to keep the fabric from getting wiggy & wrinkly at that point. A drop of fray check at each corner helps the seam stay unfrayed. Good luck! Drea On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Apollonia Margherita wrote: > I am making the boned tabbed corset for my first, I have the pieces cut out. When sewing from tab to tab, do you go from one to another using two 90 degree turns? Cause that's what I did, and it came out weird, I think I should have used a curve... Any ideas? > > Apollonia > > Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi > ***************************************************************** > [Baldrick enters, carrying the front door] > > Edmund: > Baldrick, I advise you to make the explanation you are about to give phenomenally good. > Baldrick: > You said, 'Get the door. > Edmund: > Not good enough. You're fired. > Baldrick: > But my lord, I've been in your family since 1532! > Edmund: > So has syphilis. Now get out! > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 17:11:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17694 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:11:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KLBrOX006932; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:11:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KLBmd17484; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:11:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf02bis.bellsouth.net (mail002.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KLA5d16532 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:10:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.75]) by imf02bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020820211136.TADR15103.imf02bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:11:36 -0400 Message-ID: <02b801c2488d$d7cb9ff0$4b144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern generator/ Elizabethan corset help!` MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:09:14 -0400 Status: RO Okay. I of course thought about the 90 degree thing after sewing, but I can fix it. That's what I usually do anyway, LOL. I've only had my machine since last Christmas, and a 3 and 5 year old on top of that... Thanks! Apollonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drea Leed" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset pattern generator/ Elizabethan corset help!` > I usually do a curve, narrowing to a point at the space between the tabs. > Actually, those instructions are pretty outdated; nowadays I make my > boned tab corsets differently. Put the outside and inside wrong sides > together, stitch the boning channels, slip in the boning, and hand-stitch > the binding around the bottom edge, first on the front and then on the > back. I only cut the tabs when I'm about to run the binding up one side > of a tab and down the other. This way is more work, but I like the end > result better. :) > > Anyway, if you're sewing the tabs with two 90 degree turns, make sure that > you snip two diagonal cuts into each of the two corners. This is > necessary to keep the fabric from getting wiggy & wrinkly at that point. A > drop of fray check at each corner helps the seam stay unfrayed. > > Good luck! > > Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 17:56:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18164 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:56:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KLw4OX010412; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KLw2M15900; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KLvLM15522 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:57:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.193.18] (as-5-32.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.18]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7KLvIa19152 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020820050512.79439.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020820050512.79439.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cross dressing laws (was cross dressing soldiers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:58:56 -0700 Status: RO At 3:05 PM +1000 8/20/02, Bella wrote: > --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > >*snort* >> I wonder if the men were attracted to the >> cross-dressing courtesans >> because they looked like men , or because of the >> titillation factor. >> --Sue, whose mind goes weird places this late in the >> evening.... > > >Well, to put it delicately (or as delicately as I can >manage anyway) there were strict laws in Venice >against homosexuality, so the courtesans were... >ahem... aiming to fill a hole in the meat market. Oh >dear...maybe I shouldn't have written that.... :) > If I were the sort of person who made off-color jokes, I might point out that "aiming to hole a fill" might describe the function better .... Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 18:51:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18690 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:51:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KMr4OX014343; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KMr3M16962; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns.misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KMq1M16446 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29005 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:57:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3D62C8D8.EBCD26D8@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] India shawl place (cheap) References: <4.3.1.2.20020210233635.00d44d10@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:55:21 -0700 Status: RO To Carolyn Kayta- Wow!!! Thanks for the heads up on this place. What a treasure trove!!! This is definitely on the shopping list for Regency attire and scrumptious just-because wear!!! Cool place, Theresa Eacker Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I just bought a really cool hand-embroidered India shawl today. Some only > had embroidered borders. Some had embroidered borders and corners. Some > had embroidered borders and ends. One had embroidered borders and corners, > plus a big sprawl of embroidery like where the flap of an envelope is (to > imagine this, picture the whole 3' x 6' shawl spread out). Some had > embroidered borders plus either flowers and vines, or 'paisleys', sprinkled > all over. There were red, dark blue, taupe, green, and black ones. I got > a taupe one sprinkled with big 'paisleys', for 1800-1820 and for > mundane. (A cream or yellow one with 'paisley'-embroidered borders and > ends would have been perfect for 1800-1820.) I was impressed that these > were less than $50 (they were on sale) when I've been seeing similar things > for much more. > > The proprietress said she always carries these shawls in winter, so I don't > know if other places have them but I suspect they do. She said hers were > not cashmere, just nice wool. The place is called Fashion Fabrics and > Gifts, 936 E. El Camino Real, in Sunnyvale; a saree place with all of the > usual saree stuff. I am the basic happy customer crowing about yet another > source, and not otherwise affiliated. > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 18:52:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18708 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:52:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KMs5OX014410; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KMs5M17478; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KMr2M16948 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1500D47ZKCSX@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:53:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: tight lacing (was Re: [h-cost] Re: stays again In-reply-to: <20020820140834.26468.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020820133623.00c702e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:46:37 -0700 Status: RO > > The original ones Drea photographed look very tight, that's why I thought > > "Ouch!" I am assuming that they are not tight, though, but that they look > > tight because of how they are displayed. After all, they were supposed to > > make the waist look small. > >Uhm, yes, they would be tight, so I mine, that's the point of a corset/boned >bodice? They are not ouch though, hnestly not, all my stays are extremely >comfortable while being very tight. They just re-distribute flesh. *grins* Only kinky people, or the young, the vain, and the hyper-fashionable, lace their corsets "ouch" tight. The effect of being corseted can be accomplished well before the "ouch" point. (Laced up snug in my Victorian corset, I have something like a 36" waist.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 18:52:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18713 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:52:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KMsEOX014431; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KMsEM17585; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7KMr1M16934 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1500D47ZKCSX@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:53:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: stays again In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020820133250.04d4c800@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020820085403.4199.27872.Mailman@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:33:29 -0700 Status: RO >Thank you for that explanation. I didn't know that stays like that were worn >by the middle class. because I don't study that period. I would certainly >wear them if I had them! Yours are lovely. Vermeer did pictures of these, and his works are easy to find in print. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 20:38:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19694 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:38:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L0eGOX020701; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:40:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L0eEM02508; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L0dWM02236 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:39:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1600LQG4HTXE@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] India shawl place (cheap) In-reply-to: <3D62C8D8.EBCD26D8@misc.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020820173702.00d61290@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020210233635.00d44d10@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:39:24 -0700 Status: RO I bought my shawl to do Regency with, not that I do much Regency anymore, and wore it all winter as a shawl. You do know that there are other India fabric/saree places in Sunnyvale (between this place and Lawrence Expressway, on El Camino), and many more in Berkeley, on University Ave.? >Wow!!! Thanks for the heads up on this place. What a treasure trove!!! > This is definitely on the shopping list for Regency attire and >scrumptious just-because wear!!! > >Cool place, > >Theresa Eacker > >Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > > I just bought a really cool hand-embroidered India shawl today. Some only > > had embroidered borders. Some had embroidered borders and corners. Some > > had embroidered borders and ends. One had embroidered borders and corners, > > plus a big sprawl of embroidery like where the flap of an envelope is (to > > imagine this, picture the whole 3' x 6' shawl spread out). Some had > > embroidered borders plus either flowers and vines, or 'paisleys', sprinkled > > all over. There were red, dark blue, taupe, green, and black ones. I got > > a taupe one sprinkled with big 'paisleys', for 1800-1820 and for > > mundane. (A cream or yellow one with 'paisley'-embroidered borders and > > ends would have been perfect for 1800-1820.) I was impressed that these > > were less than $50 (they were on sale) when I've been seeing similar things > > for much more. > > > > The proprietress said she always carries these shawls in winter, so I don't > > know if other places have them but I suspect they do. She said hers were > > not cashmere, just nice wool. The place is called Fashion Fabrics and > > Gifts, 936 E. El Camino Real, in Sunnyvale; a saree place with all of the > > usual saree stuff. I am the basic happy customer crowing about yet another > > source, and not otherwise affiliated. > > > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > > ////-@@\\\ > > (((( 7 ))) > > ((( <> )))) > > ) (((((( > > /----\ /---\)) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 20:45:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19777 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:45:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L0l3OX021083; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L0l2M04934; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20210.mail.yahoo.com (web20210.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7L0krM04886 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821004653.30900.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.224] by web20210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:46:53 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020819014206.04c18c70@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:46:53 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >My name is Anabella, but I've shortened it to Bella > >for use in the SCA, so it has stuck. I'm from > >Innilgard, Lochac (Adelaide, South Australia). :) > > I visited Innilgard, and still have an 'Igglenard' > t-shirt. How cool! :) > >My interest costuming wise is sixteenth century > >Venice. > > Rent a video/DVD of Dangerous Beauty, which is set > in Venise in your > period. Look also in Vecellio's book of costume > pictures, available in > Dover reprint - I think it has some pictures of > Venetians in > there. Davenport's costume book has some pictures > too. Thanks. :) I've watched "Dangerous Beauty" many times (released in Australia as "A Destiny of Her Own", and in Britain as "An Honest Courtesan" I think). Love the costuming, but the courtesans costumes are not very accurate, although the wives costumes are pretty close to accurate for other parts of Italy (just not for Venice itself). Love Vecellio - this was my first costuming book purchase. I don't have Davenport, but I've photocopied the relevant bits. :) Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 20:51:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19844 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:51:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L0r3OX021517; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L0r2M07256; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20204.mail.yahoo.com (web20204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7L0qbM07136 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821005236.58141.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.224] by web20204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:52:36 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020820161314.0232a7b0@210.49.20.169> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:52:36 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Sharon Nevin wrote: > Ack. The cat jumped on the keyboard on the wrong > keys and sent that before > I was ready. I > Try it reading > if the postage works out to be too much from the UK > or photocopy it here > and post it. > And there was a smiley face after I know I've read > it. (Cos you know how > library catalogues don't reflect the reality of the > shelves) Yep...and thanks for the offer. Are you heading to Innilgard for Novemeber Crown? > Sharon > who has cat the sleeps on top of the monitor and > jumps on the keyboard to > get down I have too many cats - I've so far overcome this problem by placing stuffed toys/kids oragami projects etc on top of the monitor. One or other of the cats rebel and sneak up there and stage a bloody coup at night and we find stuff strewn about the place the next morning. But the battle rages on....we are winning so far... :) Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 20:59:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19934 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:59:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L115OX022034; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L114M10263; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20201.mail.yahoo.com (web20201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.56]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7L10BM09827 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821010010.29867.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.224] by web20201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:00:10 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020820085827.95945.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:00:10 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > --- > Welcome Bella! I LOVE your web site, and I enjoy > your email list very much. > Though I don't 'do' this perios, I love the clothes > and enjoy reading about it > and of course looking at finished costumes. Thank you so much, and ditto! :) > Your research is great, the best on the > period/location out there on the net > that I have found. Thanks - I found it amazing how much clothing varied from "Italian" city-state to city-state in the 16th century and how little there was out there about this... so I had the choice: keep bemoaning the fact or do something about it. It's nowhere near what I'd like it to be yet, but one day...... :) Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 21:00:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19949 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:00:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L122OX022118; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L122M10688; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20208.mail.yahoo.com (web20208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.63]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7L11wM10654 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:01:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821010157.60416.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.224] by web20208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:01:57 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cross dressing laws (was cross dressing soldiers) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00b401c24834$8c59a660$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:01:57 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > spit...Bella!!! Now I have coffee all over my > monitor again!! > > > Dianne ROTFL...hope the monitor's ok. :) Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 21:03:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20000 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:03:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L142OX022244; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L142M11567; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20204.mail.yahoo.com (web20204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7L13KM11275 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:03:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821010320.59862.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.224] by web20204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:03:20 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <003201c24841$98fc7070$4b144ed8@sgrochoski> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:03:20 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Apollonia Margherita wrote: > Hey Bella! Nice to see you here! > > Apollonia, waving to Bella.... Hi Apollonia! :) Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 21:05:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20020 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:05:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L176OX022384; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:07:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L175M12604; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns.misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L16jM12521 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:06:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA29877 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:12:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3D62E86D.4E620DC4@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] India shawl place (cheap) References: <4.3.1.2.20020210233635.00d44d10@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020820173702.00d61290@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:10:10 -0700 Status: RO To Kayta- I've been finding many Indian shops in Sunnyvale, although, none with Indian shoes for my husband's size 10N feet!!! Berkeley has so many it's overwhelming and, besides, it's a lot easier to find parking in Sunnyvale. Thanks again for the valuable resources, Theresa Eacker Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I bought my shawl to do Regency with, not that I do much Regency anymore, > and wore it all winter as a shawl. You do know that there are other India > fabric/saree places in Sunnyvale (between this place and Lawrence > Expressway, on El Camino), and many more in Berkeley, on University Ave.? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 21:23:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20136 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:23:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L1P3OX023273; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L1P2M18246; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L1OWM18075 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781ED207A2 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CB562053A for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00bf01c248b1$52ace8f0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020821010157.60416.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cross dressing laws (was cross dressing soldiers) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:22:54 -0400 Status: RO Sigh...it's okay. Teddy makes me spit coffee all the time. The monitor is used to it, I think. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bella" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cross dressing laws (was cross dressing soldiers) > --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > spit...Bella!!! Now I have coffee all over my > > monitor again!! > > > > > > Dianne > > ROTFL...hope the monitor's ok. :) > > > Bella > > http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To > - Get the best out of your PC! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 21:41:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20367 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:41:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L1g3OX023951; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L1g2M23652; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L1fDM23420 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17hKUi-0005hZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:41:12 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online Organization: PII Message-ID: <000d01c248b2$5af6d6a0$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <20020820031110.49894.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:30:36 -0700 Status: RO Wow, thank you so much. It is sooo awesome to see something new and old at the same time!! Thank you for taking the time to take all the pictures and then share them with us. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 21:53:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20447 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:53:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L1t3OX024457; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L1t3M27996; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L1sQM27833 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17hKhT-0000JM-00; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:54:24 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Cc: "'Drea Leed'" Subject: Printed Coif Clarification:Was [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online Organization: PII Message-ID: <000e01c248b4$302c06a0$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:43:39 -0700 Status: RO So my eyes do not deceive me. There really is a printed pattern on this coif, and just parts of it are embellished? I just want to make sure I have it right! I can get my 'puter to do this! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 23:15:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21202 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:15:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L3H6OX028263; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L3H4M26412; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gpvissmtpgw02.splitrock.net (gpvissmtpgw02.splitrock.net [63.254.138.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7L3GGM26111 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:16:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 21284 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 03:16:16 -0000 Received: from 207-191-202-36.cpe.ats.mcleodusa.net (HELO tulani) (207.191.202.36) by gpvissmtpgw.splitrock.net with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 03:16:16 -0000 Message-ID: <022601c248c1$0b2ece20$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> From: "Avien" To: References: <013001c24838$678da620$0101a8c0@bella> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] paned trunkhose Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:15:38 -0500 Status: RO Hello, I am making paned trunkhose for my husband and I'm not exactly sure what to stuff them with. Netting was suggested, I used tulle because I have a couple hundred yards of it laying around. I stuffed it enough to get the look that I wanted but I am afraid that when he wears a sword, the weight of the sword will crush the trunkhose to nothing (I did the wrong leg first as a test so he can't try on the sword easily). In Janet Arnold's PoF, pg 22 fig. 138 (first picture that I looked at that has the approximate look I am going for), the sword does not appear to be crushing the trunkhose. It says that horse hair and wool was used for another pair but I don't have horse hair. Any suggestions? Or will the tulle be good enough? Once again, I have waited until last minute to finish my projects so I don't have time to look into this thoroughly and was hoping that someone would have gone through this before and know what works. Thanks so much! Avien _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 23:18:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21226 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:18:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L3KCOX028383; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L3KCM27371; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L3JYM27188 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pool-63.53.187.150.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.187.150]) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17hM1t-0005jx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:19:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020820084043.23653.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020820084043.23653.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Nicole's Group Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:50:39 -0700 Status: RO At 9:40 AM +0100 8/20/02, N Kipar wrote: >[snip]... stripping >the dead *cackles, I don't think that we will ever do that authentically... >*wags brows* as shown in the paintings and tapestries...) One of the funniest gigs I ever saw at Renaissance Faire was when a couple of ladies from the German mercenaries came to dinner, and then proceeded to give us good English ladies a "demonstration" of how to loot a corpse properly. They borrowed one of our "noblemen" for the purpose -- as it happened, the man who plays the Earl of Cumberland. (He has a spectacular hat with the Queen's glove smack in the front, and a lovely silk suit.) He lay down obediently on the carpet and was really quite a good sport about the whole thing, as they stripped off, exclaimed over the quality of, tried on, and fought over his hat, gloves, doublet, hose, shoes, and of course his purse -- but he got up and announced it was "over" as they were about to take off his slops (as he later explained, he was wearing nylon bicycle shorts underneath....). It was absolutely hysterical. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 20 23:18:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21232 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:18:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L3KJOX028396; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:20:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L3KIM27412; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:20:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L3JbM27206 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:19:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pool-63.53.187.150.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.187.150]) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17hM1v-0005jx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:19:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D625F49.282FB464@in-tch.com> References: <20020820132527.20912.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> <3D625F49.282FB464@in-tch.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Braveheart (WAS: Intro) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:11:18 -0700 Status: RO At 9:24 AM -0600 8/20/02, Sue Clemenger wrote: >Heck, I even liked the Princess' outfit in "Braveheart" (not exactly a >movie noted for historical accuracy...but, ooooh, Mel Gibson in long >hair....)--not the hideous pink thing, but her fancy outfit when >she's formally meeting Mel's character.... >(*sigh*...come to think of it...Mel Gibson in just about >*anything*....aaccckkk....sorry for the OT drooling ;-) I finally got to see Braveheart at New Year's on video, in the home of someone who specializes in Scottish history and refers to it as "That Movie Which Shall Not Be Named." When I saw the blue-and-red outfit the Princess was wearing in one scene, I almost immediately noticed.... that it's made BACKWARDS. It's a very nice gown with the (period) arms of England on it, presumably copied after the Black Prince's surcoat: two of the four quarters are red with three gold lions, and the other two are blue with gold fleurs-de-lis. It even has the white strip with hanging bits called a "label" that designates the eldest son. HOWEVER, it SHOULD have the two BLUE quarters covering her RIGHT shoulder and LEFT hip, and the red quarters on her left shoulder and right hip. And it's backwards. The reason this is important (in period) is that the arms (the blue and gold, in this case) of the more ancient kingdom (France) always go in the more "honorable" position, that is, in the "dexter" top and "sinister" bottom quarters (the names refer to right and left respectively, from the point of view of the wearer). England is the younger kingdom, so it gets the opposite positions. If anyone from France ever saw her wearing that garment, they would be MORTALLY insulted! (This is leaving aside the question of whether the English actually _did_ have any claim to the throne of France, as they asserted.....) Thought this might amuse others who enjoy -- or who enjoy laughing at -- that movie! -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 02:45:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12387 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 02:45:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L6jcOX006745; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:45:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L6jbM26778; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:45:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L6dcM25206 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:39:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-121-24.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.121.24]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJY95143; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:39:27 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <037b01c248dd$ea9b1700$80654ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cross-dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:42:26 +0100 Status: RO >> > I must say, though, that I find the number of women reenactors (I'm using > > this term broadly) who seem to want to portray "atypical" women very > > interesting. This seems to say a lot about us, not about them. Why do so > > many of us think that what women did in the past is too boring or demeaning > > for us to do? I had a thought on this late last night. Maybe simply because we still do much the same tasks, the same for men, maybe the fighting or sailing ships (I thought this as I was watching a programme about recreating Cooks voyage) is away from the norm male OR female, and that is why where as thinking I must rush out & cook something isn't (ie because we do it daily) it is only as we learn that their cooking/sewing etc differed that it becomes interesting ? Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 05:03:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15491 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:03:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L953OX011527; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L953M00507; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:05:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L8spM27627 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 02:54:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLK0B7WZGG007Y99@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:54:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLK0B7MWUY008PKD@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:54:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:53:15 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:52:46 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.87) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:52:42 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who supplies the materials In-reply-to: <20020815155959.8558.50936.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <52189245190@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:52:42 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > It will take you a long time to find me that way. > > Karen Oh dear! Did I make it *difficult* for them? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 05:09:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15519 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:09:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L9BSOX011728; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L9BRM02032; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:11:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L8xaM28876 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 02:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arweb01la (unverified [10.1.201.100]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:54:53 -0700 thread-index: AcJI8GqrCvK4/nCVQtGS0scvwiRgOg== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Movies was Intro From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies was Intro Message-ID: <015301c248f0$6aab3030$64c9010a@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0154_01C248B5.BE4C5830" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:54:53 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0154_01C248B5.BE4C5830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What - even the ruff that makes you look like a bird that swallowed a plate!! Freyalyn, who is amazed how many things can be described "...that stalk the land, like great stalking things" _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Apollonia Margherita > Sent: 8/20/2002 7:39:34 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Movies was Intro > > Now see, I am a Blackadder person. Especially the Elizabethan ones.... > Mmmmmm..... I want Percy's garb, you see, without Percy... > > Apollonia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro > > > Yeah, me too...although the stuff in that new movie about Joan the Mad > may edge it out. > Well, and there are a couple of fun/fantasy outfits in "Shakespeare in > Love" that I adore too, although by-and-large, I'm not hugely fond of > much that Gwyneth Paltrow wears (but then again, I really can't *stand* > Gywneth). > Heck, I even liked the Princess' outfit in "Braveheart" (not exactly a > movie noted for historical accuracy...but, ooooh, Mel Gibson in long > hair....)--not the hideous pink thing, but her fancy outfit when > she's formally meeting Mel's character.... > (*sigh*...come to think of it...Mel Gibson in just about > *anything*....aaccckkk....sorry for the OT drooling ;-) > --sue > > > > Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi > ***************************************************************** > [Baldrick enters, carrying the front door] > > Edmund: > Baldrick, I advise you to make the explanation you are about to give > phenomenally good. > Baldrick: > You said, 'Get the door. > Edmund: > Not good enough. You're fired. > Baldrick: > But my lord, I've been in your family since 1532! > Edmund: > So has syphilis. Now get out! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_0154_01C248B5.BE4C5830 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What - even the ruff that makes you look like a bird that swallowed a plate!!

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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Apollonia Margherita
> Sent: 8/20/2002 7:39:34 PM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: [h-cost] Movies was Intro
>
> Now see, I am a Blackadder person. Especially the Elizabethan ones....
> Mmmmmm..... I want Percy's garb, you see, without Percy...
>
> Apollonia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sue Clemenger"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro
>
>
> Yeah, me too...although the stuff in that new movie about Joan the Mad
> may edge it out.
> Well, and there are a couple of fun/fantasy outfits in "Shakespeare in
> Love" that I adore too, although by-and-large, I'm not hugely fond of
> much that Gwyneth Paltrow wears (but then again, I really can't *stand*
> Gywneth).
> Heck, I even liked the Princess' outfit in "Braveheart" (not exactly a
> movie noted for historical accuracy...but, ooooh, Mel Gibson in long
> hair....)--not the hideous pink thing, but her fancy outfit when
> she's formally meeting Mel's character....
> (*sigh*...come to think of it...Mel Gibson in just about
> *anything*....aaccckkk....sorry for the OT drooling ;-)
> --sue
> >
>
> Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi
> *****************************************************************
> [Baldrick enters, carrying the front door]
>
> Edmund:
> Baldrick, I advise you to make the explanation you are about to give
> phenomenally good.
> Baldrick:
> You said, 'Get the door.
> Edmund:
> Not good enough. You're fired.
> Baldrick:
> But my lord, I've been in your family since 1532!
> Edmund:
> So has syphilis. Now get out!
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0154_01C248B5.BE4C5830-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 05:09:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15523 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:09:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L9BaOX011740; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:11:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L9BZM02078; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:11:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7L90QM29089 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821090025.91369.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:00:25 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Details of paintings, was [h-cost] Re: stays again To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020820133250.04d4c800@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:00:25 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >Thank you for that explanation. I didn't know that stays like that were worn > >by the middle class. because I don't study that period. I would certainly > >wear them if I had them! Yours are lovely. > > Vermeer did pictures of these, and his works are easy to find in print. Uhm... I hate to say this, but it wasn't vermeer, instead all of those are by gerard ter borch. image of tied on sleeve on lady: http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/Temp/h-cost/1660_BORCH7.JPG image of tabs over skirt on lady: http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/Temp/h-cost/1675_CONCERT_TERBORCH.JPG Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 05:15:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15561 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:15:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L9HfOX011914; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:17:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L9HeM18021; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L97kM01122 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:07:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLK0R97CDC007Y99@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:07:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLK0R8ZWVO008TGO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:07:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:06:11 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:05:15 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.87) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:05:08 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-reply-to: <20020815180009.19948.60038.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <521BE632E7B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:05:08 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > > Housecoat or what do you call it, overall? Something to go over > > > your clothes to protect them from dust (original meaning) or > > > paint, or anything of the kind. > > > > It weould probably be referrd to as a "pinnie" in some places in the > > UK. It's what my mother and her family called them. > > > > "I can't go out in me pinnie, like this! Wait while I change into > > me coat." > > Generally a "pinnie" refers to an apron or pinafore, not the the > duster/housecoat. Of course there are sometimes local usages which may > differ from this (even in England, where the term originated.) My mother nad her family seemed to use it for any item worn around the house for housework, including an item very much like a a coat and one particularly horrible thing like a wrap-around summer dress of floral printed cotton that was worn over clothes to protect them while doing housework..... > Nicole in her nurse uniform she wore to Kirby hall could be > considered to be wearing a "pinnie" for instance. They were often a > part of school or nurse uniforms. They are still worn sometimes by > candystripers (junior hospital volunteers in the US) although they are > no longer called "pinnies" or pinafores here in the US. Pinafores over here tend to refer to the sort of sleeveless dresses Amewricans call "jumpers".... so my mother's use of "pinnie" for the sleeveless wrap-around thing-of-horror isn't such a far step, I suppose. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 05:19:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15574 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:19:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L9LiOX012022; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:21:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L9LhM02252; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:21:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7L9FKM10269 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:15:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821091519.76502.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:15:19 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Example painting of blue apron Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:15:19 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I thought I'd post one of the several examples of the blue apron I talked about, this painting is Dutch, by Gabriel Metsu and from 1657-59 http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/Temp/h-cost/1657-59_SLEEPING-SPORTSMAN_METSU.jpg you might have to c&p the URL if it breaks. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 05:35:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15633 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:35:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L9aUOX012318; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:36:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L9aTM05861; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L9S1M03913 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLK1G2HFJK007644@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:27:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLK1FZCJ98008TGO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:27:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:26:10 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:25:30 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.87) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:25:25 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. Buffy (WAS: Hijab) In-reply-to: <20020815220919.10853.40305.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <52214CA7682@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:25:25 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Bay City Rollers...THAT's music That was me when I was nine... sad to say. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 05:58:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15695 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:58:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LA0POX012835; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LA0OM11469; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:00:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7L9rDM09764 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:53:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821095313.6585.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:53:13 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cross-dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:53:13 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > I'm not Gail, but I got the impression she was speaking from her own > re-enactment experience, not speaking of the people on this list. That is, > when she said "my contemporaries," I read it as meaning the people she has > done re-enactment with. Oh, thanks Robin, I am glad that I was mistaken, because I got the impression that this list doesn't share the same way of thinking. *S* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 06:10:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15766 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:10:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LACROX013287; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LACQM14811; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LA2cM12102 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:02:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLK2O6T9VK007Y99@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:02:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLK2O61WPO0071TJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:02:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:00:58 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:00:50 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.87) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:00:40 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party In-reply-to: <20020818035019.28010.64525.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <522AB8A6D00@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:00:40 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > "Sausage-side"....from Blackadder Goes Forth.. Ah... I lost interest in Blackadder after the third series. > Anyway, sorry I had you on tenterhooks..there'll be some photos of > myself, baby and DD after mid September on the GAS Co site..so > you'll be able to pick me out at ten paces next time. ;-) OK. > Anyway, how many of us are going to the Traders' Fair in Nov..we > could always meet up there? It's in Warwick a week after the one-day costume event (also in Warwick) so it's unlikely I'll go back for the second time in consecutive weekends (besides, I just heard of an SCA University in Scotland that weekend that I'd quite like to attend if I can - - Jean, will you be at that? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 07:07:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15960 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:07:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LB9jOX014795; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:09:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LB9hM28267; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:09:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LB4YM27084 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1600523XFJZD@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:04:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] paned trunkhose In-reply-to: <022601c248c1$0b2ece20$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020821040256.04c12760@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <013001c24838$678da620$0101a8c0@bella> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:03:32 -0700 Status: RO >I am making paned trunkhose for my husband and I'm not exactly sure what to >stuff them with. Netting was suggested, I used tulle because I have a >couple hundred yards of it laying around. I stuffed it enough to get the >look that I wanted but I am afraid that when he wears a sword, the weight of >the sword will crush the trunkhose to nothing (I did the wrong leg first as >a test so he can't try on the sword easily). > >In Janet Arnold's PoF, pg 22 fig. 138 (first picture that I looked at that >has the approximate look I am going for), the sword does not appear to be >crushing the trunkhose. It says that horse hair and wool was used for >another pair but I don't have horse hair. Any suggestions? Or will the >tulle be good enough? Once again, I have waited until last minute to finish >my projects so I don't have time to look into this thoroughly and was hoping >that someone would have gone through this before and know what works. Stuffed-animal poly stuffing? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 07:49:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16237 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:49:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LBpiOX015763; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:51:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LBphM07946; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:51:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LBk7M06644 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D350F20826 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 299412070A for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <024301c24908$4b85ef70$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <52214CA7682@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. Buffy (WAS: Hijab) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:45:41 -0400 Status: RO Ooh! Someone else!! I was twelve. (smile.) I've actually met two of them. The lead singer I adored as a teenager is (ahem) not as pleasant as I thought he was. Ian Mitchell and his wife have actually become good friends and we get to see them again next summer! Yay! To keep this costume related, when I was twelve, I did indeed have the obligatory tartan scarf, though I drew the line at the short pants. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. Buffy (WAS: Hijab) > > > Bay City Rollers...THAT's music > > That was me when I was nine... sad to say. > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 08:10:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16499 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:10:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LCCQOX016447; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LCCQM13478; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LC1HM10352 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLK6TDBMXS007Y99@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:01:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLK6TCCLTI000SVX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:01:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:59:40 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:59:27 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.87) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:59:23 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers In-reply-to: <20020818092124.29496.52837.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <524A5BB3E76@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:59:23 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > I am not a male shape, but I have been mistaken for a man on more > > than one occasion while cross-dressing. > > What about your face ? Most women don't look male, I don't (I hope > )& I've not seen many unfortunates to look male naturally, do you > use make up ? False beards etc ? Intreiged Hey Mel, You know what I look like and I've been mistaken for a woman when I'm *not* made-up or dressed as one (I took Jared on a steam railway outing the other week and was mistaken for his mother by a family at the trackside picnic area when we stopped for lunch) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 09:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20802 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:24:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LDQSOX019355; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:26:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LDQQM05017; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:26:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LDJBM02744 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA74429; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:19:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: Saragrace knauf cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Printed Coif Clarification:Was [h-cost] Elizabethan Costume Photos online In-Reply-To: <000e01c248b4$302c06a0$6501a8c0@Home> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yup, it was printed. I had to squint at it when I saw it, too. :) My thought was "holy cow, talk about tiny stitches!" The label mentioned a copperplate printing process. I think this is my favorite coif design. Drea On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Saragrace knauf wrote: > So my eyes do not deceive me. There really is a printed pattern on this > coif, and just parts of it are embellished? I just want to make sure I > have it right! I can get my 'puter to do this! > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 09:55:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21008 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:55:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LDuROX020825; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:56:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LDuQM15472; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:56:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LDoAM13310 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-113-214.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.113.214]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJS79956; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:49:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <009201c2491a$a7fabd00$d6714ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:57:11 +0100 Status: RO >Hey Mel, You know what I look like and I've been mistaken for a woman when I'm *not* made-up or dressed as one (I took Jared on a steam railway outing the other week and was mistaken for his mother by a family at the trackside picnic area when we stopped for lunch) That kinda proves my point Teddy, female is biologically the default form. (ie skeletal features making a male are more female if hormonal development does not take place) Men and more often boys can look female, but females (even some men) find it harder to look sterotypically male. I'm not saying no female can look male, but at best, I think, a female will look like a male who could pass for a female (like you Teddy) or an undeveloped youth. I hope that dosen't sound rude as it isn't meant to be rude, just my opinion put frankly. I could not look like my son , for instance with his huge shoulder & muscles etc and I've yet to see a female who could either.(without hormone aid) I've not said anywhere that a male can't look like a female :) Just for the record I'm don't care how anyone wants to dress up or look (male/female or Teddy's famous both at the same time !) That is all about human rights, but I think being a convincing male is hard for a woman. Teddy I know makes a convincing woman ;) But as I said in the post Teddy replied to I'm interested in what women do about their face to make it look male. Jaw size problems spring to mind. As I've also said I might be completly wrong & there are loads of Women , I think are men, but are so good I've not noticed ! Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 10:06:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21052 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:06:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LE8dOX021559; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:08:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LE8cM20536; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LDxEM16656 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:59:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLKAXGNTM8007Y99@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:59:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLKAXB3BDA004XYD@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:59:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:57:24 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:57:18 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.87) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:57:10 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross dressing soldiers) In-reply-to: <20020818173751.6031.38095.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5269C9B5B63@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:57:10 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Last but not least I LOVE civilian male kit of the Baroque, why on > earth would a guy want to dress up in a uniform when he could have > brocades and silks and velvets and silver and gold and and and. > sheesh! men! :-) Nicole Well, you know I hate that period, but the sentiment expressed is very dear to my heart for other periods.... I play a tailour as my default character (can step into servant or nobility roles as needed) but don't fight at re-enactments... I'd far rather wear civilan style than any form of uniform (I dislike uniforms of any sort, actually, it's a concept that I think should be abolished in modern life - Even if you dress them all alike it does make people the same, they are horrible oppressive things...) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 10:48:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21204 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:48:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEmiOX024164; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:48:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LEmhM09608; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14510.mail.yahoo.com (web14510.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.169]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LEhOM06924 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:43:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821144323.72371.qmail@web14510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.159.28] by web14510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:43:23 PDT From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D626183.6871C168@bigpond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I have to second that, as I have also done a lot of fighting in skirts or long gowns--both as a heavy and light fighter in the SCA and as a Seattle Knight. Seattle Knights (SK)are a live-steel and jousting performance group, for those that aren't familiar with them. Primary focus for the performances is Tir Na Nog, and we use the stories of the Sidhe for additional drama. About a quarter of the troupe also works as stuntsfolk and extras in movies with or without their horses. So I use the SCA to work on as close to historically-accurate medieval stuff as I can and cons and SK to *play* with over-the-top fantasy stuff. Making a full Fae outfit in 3 days completely out of my stash this month for the Ren Faire performances was ever-so-fun! Angharad, who enjoyed freaking people out with a 20 yard hem and bright white hair __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 10:56:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21230 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:56:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEvtOX024915; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:57:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LEvqM14505; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:57:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f131.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.131]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LEmhM09610 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:48:38 -0700 Received: from 65.116.171.30 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:48:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.116.171.30] From: "R Harper" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 14:48:38.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[D54B5E70:01C24921] Subject: [h-cost] Paned Trunkhose Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:48:36 -0400 Status: RO Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21234 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:56:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEw0OX024930; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LEw0M14602; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LEoZM10557 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:50:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLKCON9U4W007RG9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:50:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLKCMZQZNC007KMC@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:48:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:46:44 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:46:15 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.87) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:46:11 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes In-reply-to: <20020819074600.24160.98487.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5276D7C33B8@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:46:11 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > As always I recommend Sarah Juniper, not because I am affiliated > because I am really not, but because I love her shoes: > > http://www.sarahjuniper.co.uk/ Not to do down the quality of the shoes made by Sarah Juniper (I have examined/handled them if not actually worn any and they look superb quality) but *IN MY PERSONAL OPINION* I think her mens shoes always look too "clunky" compared to the depictions in period paintings and illustrations. The womens ones look fine, for the most part, but for some periods (where the syles are similar for men and women) her womens shoes look closer to style shown in period illos as mens shoes than the mens shoes do. Particularly, I;ve notice this in the 18th century styles (as that's what I was looking at) Just a personal thing.. and it's not just Sarah Juniper's ones either. Some of the suppliers of 17th century shoes seem to believe that making shoes for upper-class costumes to the same pattern as lower-class ones but in finer quality materials is all that is needed, when, looking at the portraits and paintings of the nobility , the shoes are a much finer/more-delicate shape.... and I find it disappointing that the shoes available don't emulate that. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 11:09:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21627 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:09:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LFAnOX025833; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:10:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LFAlM21820; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:10:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LF2MM17048 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:02:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m33.in-tch.com [216.166.191.33]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7LEm2927220 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D63ACE4.1886056@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross dressingsoldiers) References: <5269C9B5B63@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:08:20 -0600 Status: RO Isn't that the point, though...to enforce/encourage conformity of behaviors, etc....Heck, we've even got schools over here that make kids wear uniforms (and not just private ones, AFAIK). --sue (one week and counting....woo-hooo!) Teddy wrote: > > > Well, you know I hate that period, but the sentiment expressed is > very dear to my heart for other periods.... I play a tailour as my > default character (can step into servant or nobility roles as needed) > but don't fight at re-enactments... I'd far rather wear civilan style > than any form of uniform (I dislike uniforms of any sort, actually, it's > a concept that I think should be abolished in modern life - Even if > you dress them all alike it does make people the same, they are > horrible oppressive things... soap-box before it has a chance to get too comfortable>) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 11:22:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21873 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:22:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LFNmOX026912; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:23:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LFNlM29514; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:23:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LFDcM23492 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:13:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.fc.1cb0d764 (4362) for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:13:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fc.1cb0d764.2a950814_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Personal Non-Historical, Non-Costume Request Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:13:24 EDT Status: RO --part1_fc.1cb0d764.2a950814_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings All - I am sorry to waste bandwidth, but I was hoping that someone in England might be willing to help me out? I need to open a new Brit checking account, but I am having trouble remembering the names of the different major bank chains in England. Can someone contact me offlist and send me some names? (If you are feeling really generous, some phone numbers would be great as well, but not a requirement.) Thank you in advance Kit --part1_fc.1cb0d764.2a950814_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings All -

I am sorry to waste bandwidth, but I was hoping that someone in England might be willing to help me out?  I need to open a new Brit checking account, but I am having trouble remembering the names of the different major bank chains in England.  Can someone contact me offlist and send me some names?  (If you are feeling really generous, some phone numbers would be great as well, but not a requirement.)

Thank you in advance
Kit
--part1_fc.1cb0d764.2a950814_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 11:31:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22450 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:31:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LFX0OX027671; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LFWuM05068; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from x11.quik.com (x11.quik.com [216.176.28.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LFS3M02192 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from downstairs (ip037.vb.quik.com [216.176.5.37]) (authenticated bits=0) by x11.quik.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LFRvhR008775 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:28:02 -0700 From: "Anne Moeller" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Paned Trunkhose Message-ID: <000a01c24927$4dac87e0$696dfea9@downstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:27:45 -0400 Status: RO Could you please explain the difference between the two? Where can one find this petticoat netting? Thanks, Anne I have made many pairs of trunkhose, and have found that possibly the most anachronistic solution is the best one: nylon petticoat netting. *Regular* nylon net will work for awhile, but the petticoat netting is virtually indestructible and will maintain the loft for a much greater length of time. You can crush it easily to pack for an event, and it will fluff right up again with little trouble. Richard Harper (a/k/a) Master Henry Kersey of Devon Tailoring Laurel Kingdom of the East _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 11:34:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22747 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:34:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LFaBOX027902; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LFa9M07001; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:36:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LFSTM02435 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:28:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 14A711E1EAD; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:28:25 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Uniforms (WAS Brocades .. (WAS: cross dressingsoldiers) From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020821152825.14A711E1EAD@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:28:24 BST Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote : > Isn't that the point, though...to enforce/encourage conformity of > behaviors, etc....Heck, we've even got schools over here that make kids > wear uniforms (and not just private ones, AFAIK). Yes, here too. Both the schools I went to did that. As a means of making me conform to *anything*, it was a miserable failure. I suppose it did stop competition in clothing, so we could concentrate on competition in more useful things. Like the ability to remove all the contents of the blazer pockets of the kid sitting in front of you, tie their regulation hair-ribbons to the chair, and so on, without them noticing (yes, we did give everything back at the end of the lesson). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 11:47:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23357 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:47:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LFmrOX029026; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:48:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LFmqM15021; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:48:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LFfPM10244 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:41:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLKE4M4YFK008ERU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:41:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLKE1D06YI008LA6@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:27:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:26:10 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:25:12 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.87) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:25:03 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] button, buton, who's got the buttons? In-reply-to: <20020820010702.22003.66560.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <52813B90592@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:25:03 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Hi - > > A friend of mine is trying her hand at making cloth buttons like those > in the MoL Textiles and Clothing book. She said she tried the method > in the book, and was very unsatisfied. Can anyone else suggest > something? (method, extant examples, alternate button types, etc.) > > This would be 14th century... I tried those ones (the ball ones, not the flattened ones) and loved them. The thicker the fabric, however, the less happy I am with the "stem" of the button - I suff all the cgathered fabric inside te button to pad it and creat the stem from strong thread and find it works much better. She may want to try that Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 12:04:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24743 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:04:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LG61OX000682; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LG5wM25441; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LFsLM18277 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:54:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Wed Aug 21 10:54:18 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:54:18 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Drea's pics - black lace Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:54:10 -0500 Status: RO Well spotted ! Page 19, Pattern F, of the facsimile of the first book, as reproduced in "Le Pompe, 1559, Patterns for Venetian bobbin lace", Facsimile with Introduction by Santina M. Levey, Technical Section by Patricia C. Payne, Drawings by Bridget M. Cook' Ruth Bean, Carlton Bedford,1983. Linda Walton. P.S. What thread did you use ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Believe it or not, the DMC metallic embroidery floss. I've used it for several metallic laces. The results are a little lighter than the period examples, at least from what I can tell from photos, but seems to have the same body. It also holds up well to tensioning. I have plans to do a test strip as I round up other metallic threads but it keeps getting pushed further down on the 'to-do' list as the deadline for renfaire projects looms. It was a great learning experience to work out the patterns in Le Pompe since there were no instructions :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 12:43:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24945 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:42:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LGiIOX004199; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:44:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LGiCW20933; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:44:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LGYIW14550 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OlpghPdErRyyulYULlF2fXo="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id HARHMU7H; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:33:24 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross dressingsoldiers) Message-ID: <20020821.093224.-213645.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,5-8,10-36 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:24:36 +0000 Status: RO In some American schools, the push for uniforms has been to prevent kids from violent acts and theft of clothing they consider to be a hot style. If it works, I'm all for it. A lot of the kids who've done this say actually it has taken a lot of the social pressure off and they thought it was weird at first, but have gotten to like it. Arlys On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:08:20 -0600 Sue Clemenger writes: > Isn't that the point, though...to enforce/encourage conformity of > behaviors, etc....Heck, we've even got schools over here that make > kids > wear uniforms (and not just private ones, AFAIK). > --sue (one week and counting....woo-hooo!) > > Teddy wrote: > > > > > > Well, you know I hate that period, but the sentiment expressed is > > very dear to my heart for other periods.... I play a tailour as my > > default character (can step into servant or nobility roles as > needed) > > but don't fight at re-enactments... I'd far rather wear civilan > style > > than any form of uniform (I dislike uniforms of any sort, > actually, it's > > a concept that I think should be abolished in modern life - Even > if > > you dress them all alike it does make people the same, they are > > horrible oppressive things... > soap-box before it has a chance to get too comfortable>) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 12:49:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25016 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:49:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LGodOX004804; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:50:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LGoaW25239; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:50:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LGc9W17079 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:38:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821163808.76594.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:38:08 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5276D7C33B8@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:38:08 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > Not to do down the quality of the shoes made by Sarah Juniper (I > have examined/handled them if not actually worn any and they look > superb quality) but *IN MY PERSONAL OPINION* I think her mens > shoes always look too "clunky" compared to the depictions in > period paintings and illustrations. Uhm.... Teddy, you sure you have seen all of hers? Admittedly we don't do 18th century, but the high heeled ones she made for ben are anything BUT clunky, I'd even call them quite dainty. hehehe. (nothing on Ben evokes the word dainty *G*) > The womens ones look fine, for the most part, but for some periods > (where the syles are similar for men and women) her womens > shoes look closer to style shown in period illos as mens shoes > than the mens shoes do. Particularly, I;ve notice this in the 18th > century styles (as that's what I was looking at) Ah, don't know then. *hands fly up* I only deal in 17th. :-) The point is though that there is NO shoemaker then who does it like the originals, with the originals being as you described them. I have seen shoes by each and everyone (all 17th and earlier, mind you, I am not interested in 18th) amongst those, I still rate Sarah's as the absolute best and most chic. Kevin garlic's are certainly chunky, they are great for lower class and soldiers but his lasts are all wrong and the shape of the shoes just isn't correct. Morgan Hubbard is so-so, they just didn't look right, but his earlier period stuff is super, better than sarah's. Bjarni's boots is WAY overrated in my opinion, have handled and seen several, and wouldn't pay the price that he asks, no daintier than any of the others. Timefarer? I have not see the right period ones, but the ones that I have seen I do ask myself how the doodah they can justify their exorbitant prices. All in all, you are probably right Teddy, at least for the 18th c. there just isn't anyone. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 13:20:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25291 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:20:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LHMWOX007947; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:22:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LHMVc16346; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:22:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LHAsc08428 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03038 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:12:51 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross dressingsoldiers) In-Reply-To: <20020821.093224.-213645.0.Cley@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:12:51 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > In some American schools, the push for uniforms has been to prevent > kids from violent acts and theft of clothing they consider to be a hot > style. Another goal is to reduce the obvious differences between students of different social strata -- the ones who can afford extremely expensive or brand-name clothing vs. those who can't, and those who can buy the latest styles each season vs. those who are wearing older siblings' hand-me-downs. There's still some expressed class distinction (e.g. jewelry) but it's vastly reduced. So there's one less area in which kids can be obviously excluded or taunted, and more of a level playing field, with students choosing their friends and role models based on interests and talents rather than fashion sense. It's also easier on the parental pocketbook. As a student, I would have been horrified if we'd had to wear uniforms in our public school, the way the kids at the Catholic school did. Now, as a parent shopping for two growing boys, I wish we could simplify it all with uniforms! Sue wrote: > > Isn't that the point, though...to enforce/encourage conformity of > > behaviors, etc. The school uniform options I've seen in recent years don't have the "conformity" aspect nearly so pronounced as what I remember from my school days in the 1960s and 1970s. Today, there's often a range of options (e.g. you might combine slacks, skirt, or jumper/pinafore in choice of a specific solid color or plaid, plus blouse or polo shirt or sweater in white or maybe a specific color, with or without cardigan or jacket) that ensures a reasonable number of combinations. When you see the kids in class, you don't sense they're stamped out with cookie-cutters, but rather that they're color-coordinated and at roughly the same level of "dressiness." To bring this around to a historical angle, this feels like a return to the expected level of dressiness from earlier in the 20th century, when boys didn't question the expectation of wearing buttoned shirts and even ties to school, and girls wore a certain type of skirt or dress. Jeans meant work clothes only, and sneakers were only for gym class or sports. Some of that was enforced by dress codes, but most of it was the agreed-upon expectation of what constituted "school clothes." Since the 1960s or so, there has been no such common understanding, so today's uniforms (or, rather, a list of uniform options) in effect create one. (And it used to be that when you said "church clothes," people knew what you meant. Been to church lately? That's not true for all demonimations, of course -- in some, people still *always* dress up for church. But there's a lot more variation and differing levels of tolerance for, say, jeans or t-shirts or short skirts.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 13:21:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25300 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:21:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LHN8OX008026; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LHN7c16802; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:23:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LHFuc11961 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:15:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.224.184.148]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020821171550.HWUB1746.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:15:50 +0000 Message-ID: <3D63CAC5.6070808@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Paned Trunkhose References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:15:49 -0700 Status: RO May I ask what "paned trunkhose" are? Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 14:04:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25614 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:04:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LI5tOX011822; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:05:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LI5nc13674; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:05:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LHsjc06984 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m67.in-tch.com [216.166.191.67]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7LHeP910776 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:40:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D63D549.BF380F97@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross dressingsoldiers) References: <20020821.093224.-213645.0.Cley@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:00:41 -0600 Status: RO For places where that's an issue, by all means, go for it! I'm all for legal, non-intrusive ways to reduce violence and bullying. I really hadn't considered stuff like that, because I grew up in a small enough town, that we all knew whose parents had more money, blah, blah anyway (only one high school, and my graduating class was roughly 150, and that was one of the largest they'd seen!). It's also a pretty ethnically and racially homogenous area, so the bullying and such tends to fall along other lines. --Sue, glad to consider herself an escapee....;-) Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > In some American schools, the push for uniforms has been to prevent kids > from violent acts and theft of clothing they consider to be a hot style. > > If it works, I'm all for it. A lot of the kids who've done this say > actually it has taken a lot of the social pressure off and they thought > it was weird at first, but have gotten to like it. > > Arlys > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:08:20 -0600 Sue Clemenger > writes: > > Isn't that the point, though...to enforce/encourage conformity of > > behaviors, etc....Heck, we've even got schools over here that make > > kids > > wear uniforms (and not just private ones, AFAIK). > > --sue (one week and counting....woo-hooo!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 14:18:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25702 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:18:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIJZOX012979; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LIJYc21622; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:19:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LIDbc18203 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:13:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.29.2c0f8638 (4254) for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:13:26 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <29.2c0f8638.2a953245@aol.com> Subject: Re: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross dressingsoldiers) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_29.2c0f8638.2a953245_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:13:25 EDT Status: RO --part1_29.2c0f8638.2a953245_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2002 1:23:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > Now, as a parent shopping for two > growing boys, I wish we could simplify it all with uniforms! > How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. --part1_29.2c0f8638.2a953245_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2002 1:23:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes:


Now, as a parent shopping for two
growing boys, I wish we could simplify it all with uniforms!


How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots.
--part1_29.2c0f8638.2a953245_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 14:24:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25766 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:24:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIQ9OX013456; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LIQ8c25624; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LIJ9c21425 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.11e.154797b6 (4254) for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:18:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <11e.154797b6.2a953391@aol.com> Subject: Re: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross dressingsoldie... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11e.154797b6.2a953391_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:18:57 EDT Status: RO --part1_11e.154797b6.2a953391_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2002 2:07:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: > For places where that's an issue, by all means, go for it! I'm all for > legal, non-intrusive ways to reduce violence and bullying. > How about teaching tolerance instead of this kind of superficial Band-Aid. You don't think Catholic school children get bullied? And I must say, when I was bullied....a lot.... in school, I got no, zero, support from those in authority. In fact I was bullied by coaches and even the principal's secretary. That's when I learned [in the 7th grade] that adults didn't like "fags" either. --part1_11e.154797b6.2a953391_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2002 2:07:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes:


For places where that's an issue, by all means, go for it! I'm all for
legal, non-intrusive ways to reduce violence and bullying.


How about teaching tolerance instead of this kind of superficial Band-Aid. You don't think Catholic school children get bullied?

And I must say, when I was bullied....a lot.... in school, I got no, zero, support from those in authority. In fact I was bullied by coaches and even the principal's secretary. That's when I learned [in the 7th grade] that adults didn't like "fags" either.
--part1_11e.154797b6.2a953391_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 14:34:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25796 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:34:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIZlOX014153; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:35:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LIZkc01348; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:35:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20204.mail.yahoo.com (web20204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LIUNc28074 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821183016.71826.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:30:16 PDT From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (WAS: Brocades and ... ) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1618749993-1029954616=:71793" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: angela@ivyharp.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --0-1618749993-1029954616=:71793 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Edging off-topic here, talking about contemporary clothing, but: Neither I nor any of my siblings went to a school with uniforms, and I am not a parent, so I can't really say, but here are some theories as to why uniforms might not be the cure-all many people seem to think they are. There is a "school" of thought that uniforms can accentuate the economic differences among students, because more affluent families can afford to buy many garments, so they show less wear. Also, affluent families can buy all the varieties and accessories, whereas the poorer students are conspicuously wearing the same basic thing all the time. And as for uniforms saving money over "free-form" clothes, well, you still have to buy regular clothes for the kids anyway, in addition to the uniforms, right? And uniforms are fixed-price, whereas you can search for regular clothes in a wide price range, or even *gasp* sew them yourself. (Now there's an idea: when schools have uniforms, they could sell the fabric by the yard as well. But then you'd get things that are not the same "degree of dressiness" as someone else put it.) How would those of you who have dealt with uniforms respond to these thoughts? Just curious- Angela --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-1618749993-1029954616=:71793 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Edging off-topic here, talking about contemporary clothing, but:

Neither I nor any of my siblings went to a school with uniforms, and I am not a parent, so I can't really say, but here are some theories as to why uniforms might not be the cure-all many people seem to think they are.

 

There is a "school" of thought that uniforms can accentuate the economic differences among students, because more affluent families can afford to buy many garments, so they show less wear.  Also, affluent families can buy all the varieties and accessories, whereas the poorer students are conspicuously wearing the same basic thing all the time.

 

And as for uniforms saving money over "free-form" clothes, well, you still have to buy regular clothes for the kids anyway, in addition to the uniforms, right?  And uniforms are fixed-price, whereas you can search for regular clothes in a wide price range, or even *gasp* sew them yourself.  (Now there's an idea: when schools have uniforms, they could sell the fabric by the yard as well.  But then you'd get things that are not the same "degree of dressiness" as someone else put it.)

 

How would those of you who have dealt with uniforms respond to these thoughts?

Just curious-

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HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-1618749993-1029954616=:71793-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 14:42:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25833 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:42:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIfiOX014668; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LIfhc04593; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:41:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g7LIamI01967 for h-costume@net.indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:36:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-ID: <20020821123647.A26071@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] FW: looking for a seamstress in NYC Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:36:48 -0600 Status: RO Forwarding this for a friend. Please contact her if you can help, Much thanks >Reply-To: Hilary Doda >Subject: Fw: looking for a seamstress in NYC > >I received a note from a woman looking for a professional seamstress in New >York City - who do you have down there in terms of contacts? The woman who >wrote me is a designer looking to hire someone to realize her designs - I >don't have any more details than that, her name and phone number. Do you >have any names I can pass on, or anyone you can ask if they're interested? > >(Feel free to forward this on) ----- End forwarded message ----- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 14:52:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25870 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:52:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIrmOX015619; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:53:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LIrjc11483; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:53:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LIm6c08199 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17haWT-00033H-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:48:05 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross dressingsoldiers) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:48:05 -0400 Status: RO > It's also easier on the parental pocketbook. As a student, I would have > been horrified if we'd had to wear uniforms in our public school, the way > the kids at the Catholic school did. Now, as a parent shopping for two > growing boys, I wish we could simplify it all with uniforms! Well, it's not actually as money-friendly as you might think. I went to a private elementary school and even on my mom's very comfortable yuppie income she was having a hard time providing the funds to afford the minimum 3 uniforms the school required her to purchase for me. Each dress was something like $80 (this was in 1983) and I was a growing kid which meant that in some cases she was buying me no less than 6 dresses in a single year during some of my more impressive growth spurts. This was also before they instituted a mix-n-match wardrobe for the girls (we weren't allowed to wear shorts or pants, only the dress which was knee length and therefore was rather chilly in the winter). Plus, it didn't negate the fact that I also needed an "after school" wardrobe as well. I still needed clothing that I could wear when I wasn't in school, after all. I've heard from more than a few parents recently that the situation with school uniforms costing so much hasn't changed. California recently began insituting uniforms for most of their public elementary and middle schools which takes the expensive uniform problem out of the private school where it's a strain on more affluent families and put it directly onto the poorer families who can't afford private education to begin with. And it doesn't eliminate the bullying problem in the least. Plus, a kid can tell when his classmate is different from him regardless of whether they're all wearing the same clothing, and that is really what a lot of bullying is about. I was bullied for being small and smarter than everyone else. You can't hide that with a uniform. I knew kids who were picked on unmercifully for any variety of reasons ranging from (percieved) sexual preference to physical size, and very few times was it ever about clothing. In fact, some of the most popular kids in my schools came from poor families and couldn't afford the best clothing, while some of the kids who were picked on the worst came from rich families who bought them all the brand names. So, it's not about clothing. Why kids really pick on one another is another debate that has nothing to do with costuming or clothing... I just know it's not about clothing. Sarah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 14:55:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25889 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:55:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIupOX015849; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:56:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LIuoc13287; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:56:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (root@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu [128.200.119.150]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LIjUc06706 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from UAOBRIEN.uci.edu (HIB435A.HNET.UCI.EDU [128.200.119.223]) by benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id LAA14254 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821114610.01b85eb0@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> X-Sender: uaobrien@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" In-Reply-To: <29.2c0f8638.2a953245@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Godwin's Law Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:49:03 -0700 Status: RO At 11:13 AM 8/21/2002, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/21/2002 1:23:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > > >>Now, as a parent shopping for two >>growing boys, I wish we could simplify it all with uniforms! > > >How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. I'm going to strongly suggest that folks on the list not reply to this post. Once Nazis have been invoked the likelihood of discussion devolving into an emotional, and essentially off-topic, flame war is very high. Ulrika O'Brien English & Comparative Literature University of California, Irvine 435 Humanities Instructional Building (949) 824-6712 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 14:55:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25896 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:55:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIv5OX015871; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LIv5c13448; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40202.mail.yahoo.com (web40202.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.63]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LImwc08711 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:48:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821184853.67137.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.189.83.254] by web40202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:48:53 PDT From: Tasha McGann To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020821180009.10076.43566.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: button, button, who's got the buttons? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I've only ever used the MoL method for buttons as well, but I've had others tell me that the method Teddy describes below works much better. I went back and looked more closely at the MoL book and found a) the shanks on the extant buttons pictured do NOT look like they have gathered fabric in them, i.e. the shanks are thin and look like a bunch of threads only; and b) The MoL book states that "some" of the buttons found were made using the method described there. Leaves me to guess that the rest (perhaps the majority?) were made by sewing running stitches around the inside of a circle of cloth, turning the outer edges in, and pulling the thread tight, to gather the fabric in. I tried it and it worked perfectly. You could still create the shank with needle and thread the same way described in the book, only without the bulky fabric in the middle. I'd like to offer a few tips... 1) Don't skimp on stitches between the button and the fabric to which you're attaching it. Sew lots of connections. Unless these buttons are on a loose garment, they'll take a lot of strain. 2) Use a double ply of thread, or even some embroidery floss (thicker), to give it some strength and a tiny bit of bulk for the same reason mentioned in 1. Tasha (back from Pennsic War (SCA camping) and finally coming up for air...) > > Hi - > > > > A friend of mine is trying her hand at making > cloth buttons like those > > in the MoL Textiles and Clothing book. She said > she tried the method > > in the book, and was very unsatisfied. Can anyone > else suggest > > something? (method, extant examples, alternate > button types, etc.) > > > > This would be 14th century... > > I tried those ones (the ball ones, not the flattened > ones) and loved > them. The thicker the fabric, however, the less > happy I am with the > "stem" of the button - I suff all the cgathered > fabric inside te button > to pad it and creat the stem from strong thread and > find it works > much better. She may want to try that > Teddy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 15:08:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25982 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:08:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LJ9SOX016837; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:09:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LJ9Rc20762; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:09:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LIwbc14407 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:58:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net16sp115.directcon.net [209.233.107.115]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g7LIwEc4006631; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:58:15 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020821120305.01338570@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross dressingsoldie... In-Reply-To: <11e.154797b6.2a953391@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:03:05 -0700 Status: RO My children's school has a strict dress code that's mainly designed to reduce the presence of pop culture. No logos or other advertising, no Disney characters, no sports emblems. Shopping can be a real challenge. Finding shoes, T-shirts, etc without logos at the prices I can afford is hard. I guess the advertising subsidizes the manufacturing for lower end goods. This year, I'm ordering a dozen white T-shirts from Dharma, and some dye. We'll tie dye some and do the rest in solid colors. I'm just glad I have boys, not girls, becasue most of the clothes in the stores for pre teen girls look like the wardrobe for kiddie porn movies. Pink short shorts and halter top combos, that say "cutie" in glitter. Ugh! Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 15:21:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26065 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:21:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LJMgOX017883; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LJMfc28366; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:22:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LJESc23688 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:14:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821191428.85062.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:14:28 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Uniforms, was Re: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <29.2c0f8638.2a953245@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:14:28 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/21/2002 1:23:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > > > > Now, as a parent shopping for two > > growing boys, I wish we could simplify it all with uniforms! > > > > How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. ????????????? I do hope you didn't mean what it sounded like? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 15:22:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26073 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:22:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LJN8OX017925; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LJN7c28671; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:23:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LJFLc24264 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:15:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a25.in-tch.com [66.62.107.5]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7LJ11913766 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D63E82C.ABF7A798@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross dressingsoldie... References: <11e.154797b6.2a953391@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:21:16 -0600 Status: RO Albert, you're barking defensively up the wrong tree big time, here. I went through 12 years of absolute hell as a kid, and have experienced similar abuse and violence since becoming an adult. And in my case, too, uniforms wouldn't have made any difference. Nor did reporting it to the school authorities, who on at least one occasion, actually laughed at me. I've been beaten, and spat upon, and called enough horrible names to last me a lifetime. And it wasn't a gay/straight thing, or an ethnic/religious/racial thing, either. People are very, very inventive when coming up with reasons to discriminate. That does not mean, however, that something as simple as a dress code might not work in other places with other stresses. No one's saying it would fix everything--even I said "reduce," not "eliminate." I've never had to live in a place where people are shot and killed for the kinds of sneakers they wear, or the color jacket they've got on....so, if eliminating those first triggers helps, and it's neither intrusive nor illegal nor immoral, why not? Certainly, we should be teaching tolerance, but even more, we should be *living* tolerance and acceptance--as nations, as peoples, as families, as individuals. --Sue, climbing down off her *very* comfortable soapbox _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 15:31:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26120 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:31:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LJTUOX018568; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:29:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LJTTc02632; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:29:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LJK8c26961 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:20:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821192007.73745.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:20:07 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Napoleonic uniforms and sharp turn, was Re: [h-cost] Godwin's Law To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821114610.01b85eb0@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:20:07 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- "Ulrika A. O'Brien" > I'm going to strongly suggest that folks on the list not > reply to this post. Once Nazis have been invoked the > likelihood of discussion devolving into an emotional, and > essentially off-topic, flame war is very high. Too late Ulrika, but actually, I hoped it wasn't what it sounded like, but since you saw it too... Anyway, you are right, I do NOT want to reply to that really. So I shall take a huge degree turn back to historical costuming. Whatever I may think about the military and war itself, and all these totally aside (difficult, difficult, I know) The Napolenic re-enactors DO look like cute tin soldiers when they march along. You know the old quality street sweets tins? They look just like that. I have to say though that I personally wouldn't sew one of the uniforms for my soldiers, not even for Ben, it is SO boring. An officer's one on the other hand with lots of gold or silver lacing and silk lined, now THAT's a different matter. Phewwwie, I shall clap myself on the shoulder for a 180 degree turn. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 15:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26137 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:34:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LJZtOX019105; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:35:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LJZtc06351; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:35:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LJSYc02088 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:28:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway (ppp-208-171-197-172.01.promedia.net [208.171.197.172]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7LJSWO17667 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:28:32 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c24948$ec6b6790$0100a8c0@gateway> From: "Joan Broneske" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821114610.01b85eb0@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Godwin's Law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:28:21 -0700 Status: RO I don't know who Godwin is, but I highly agree with you. This tiring battle cry gets evoked whenever someone's feelings are hurt and then things just degrade from there. Besides, uniforms don't have anything to do with costumes anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: [h-cost] Godwin's Law > At 11:13 AM 8/21/2002, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 8/21/2002 1:23:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > > > > > >>Now, as a parent shopping for two > >>growing boys, I wish we could simplify it all with uniforms! > > > > > >How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. > > > I'm going to strongly suggest that folks on the list not > reply to this post. Once Nazis have been invoked the > likelihood of discussion devolving into an emotional, and > essentially off-topic, flame war is very high. > > > > > Ulrika O'Brien > English & Comparative Literature > University of California, Irvine > 435 Humanities Instructional Building > (949) 824-6712 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 15:44:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26180 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:44:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LJjlOX019973; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:45:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LJjhc11869; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:45:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LJe0c08595 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821194000.56765.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:40:00 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Historical uniforms, was Re: [h-cost] Godwin's Law To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <002701c24948$ec6b6790$0100a8c0@gateway> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:40:00 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Joan Broneske wrote: > > degrade from there. Besides, uniforms don't have anything to do with > costumes anyway. Uhm, Joan, I highly disagree! Why would uniforms not have anything to do with costumes??? So what is it which I made for Ben? Not a costume? Is an Officer's uniform from 1700 not a historical costume? What about aaaaaaaall those re-enactors out there, is an ECW or ACW uniform not a costume? Now I am seriously confused. I consider for example a Napoleonic rifleman uniform a historical costume! Nicole P.S. What the doodah does Godwin's Law mean? I'm intrigued too. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 15:54:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26205 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:54:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LJtmOX020857; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LJtic17808; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:55:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrs.org (rizzo.mrs.org [199.234.10.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LJnic14291 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:49:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Napoleonic uniforms and sharp turn, was Re: [h-cost] Godwin's Law From: Amy Wilson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020821192007.73745.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:49:38 -0400 Status: RO > I have to say though that I personally wouldn't sew one of the uniforms for my > soldiers, not even for Ben, it is SO boring. An officer's one on the other > hand with lots of gold or silver lacing and silk lined, now THAT's a different > matter. Speaking of which (and coming out of the lurkers' corner to comment), what did you all think of that splendid goldwork on Hugh Jackman's coat in "Kate and Leopold"? Wowzer... Cheers, Amy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 16:01:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26260 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:01:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LK2uOX021629; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:02:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LK2tc21778; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:02:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LJsSc17022 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:54:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.201]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020821195427.QIGC25423.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:54:27 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (WAS: Brocades and ... ) Message-ID: <3D63FE02.8738.90DA58@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020821183016.71826.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:54:26 +0100 Status: RO On 21 Aug 2002 at 11:30, Angela Kovatch wrote: > There is a "school" of thought that uniforms can accentuate the > economic differencesamong students, because more affluent families can > afford to buy many garments, so they show less wear. Also, affluent > families can buy all the varieties and accessories, whereas the poorer > students are conspicuously wearing the same basic thing all the time. True. Our school had a second-hand uniform shop. After the first wild spree of new clothes for new school, I never had uniform from anywhere else. > And as for uniforms saving money over "free-form" clothes, well, you > still have to buy regular clothes for the kids anyway, in addition to > the uniforms, right? Well, yes, but that's only for weekends, evenings, and holidays. It doesn't need to be smart, and it takes a lot less wear. Mind you, I still got bullied at school: and AFAIK, it was nothing to do with clothes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 16:01:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26264 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:01:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LK2aOX021586; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:02:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LK2Yc21556; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:02:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LJuic18388 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a262.in-tch.com [66.62.107.62]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7LJgN901756 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:42:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D63F180.9C7093F5@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Napoleonic uniforms and sharp turn, was Re: [h-cost] Godwin's Law References: <20020821192007.73745.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:01:04 -0600 Status: RO Heck, Nicole...just about *anything* well-made, with gold and silver lacing and silk, would be fun to sew _and_ watch being worn (especially on guys like Ben, or Teddy). --sue N Kipar wrote: > > Whatever I may think about the military and war itself, and all these totally > aside (difficult, difficult, I know) The Napolenic re-enactors DO look like > cute tin soldiers when they march along. You know the old quality street sweets > tins? They look just like that. > I have to say though that I personally wouldn't sew one of the uniforms for my > soldiers, not even for Ben, it is SO boring. An officer's one on the other hand > with lots of gold or silver lacing and silk lined, now THAT's a different > matter. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 16:07:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26343 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:07:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LK9UOX022235; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:09:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LK9Tc25592; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:09:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LK1cc21063 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:01:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a262.in-tch.com [66.62.107.62]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7LJlI903671 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:47:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D63F308.4D17C39E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Historical uniforms, was Re: [h-cost] Godwin's Law References: <20020821194000.56765.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:07:36 -0600 Status: RO I think she's referring to school uniforms (given the context). IIRC, Godwin's Law is some "law" for email lists and bulletin boards relating to the unadvisability of the type of flaming and name-calling that can result from posts such as the one recently about brown shirts....Kind of a manners thing for such inflammatory topics as Nazis, etc. --sue N Kipar wrote: > > --- Joan Broneske wrote: > > > degrade from there. Besides, uniforms don't have anything to do with > > costumes anyway. > > Uhm, Joan, I highly disagree! Why would uniforms not have anything to do with > costumes??? So what is it which I made for Ben? Not a costume? Is an Officer's > uniform from 1700 not a historical costume? What about aaaaaaaall those > re-enactors out there, is an ECW or ACW uniform not a costume? > Now I am seriously confused. I consider for example a Napoleonic rifleman > uniform a historical costume! > > Nicole > P.S. What the doodah does Godwin's Law mean? I'm intrigued too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 16:19:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26450 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:19:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKLTOX023303; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:21:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LKLRc03192; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LKAvc26514 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:10:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04412 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:12:57 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Historical uniforms, was Re: [h-cost] Godwin's Law In-Reply-To: <20020821194000.56765.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:12:57 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > --- Joan Broneske wrote: > > > degrade from there. Besides, uniforms don't have anything to do with > > costumes anyway. > > Uhm, Joan, I highly disagree! Why would uniforms not have anything to > do with costumes? I think Joan meant modern school uniforms. And she's right. (Which is why I valiantly but unsuccessfully tried to relate my part of the discussion to an observation on historic "school clothes" from past eras. Never mind...) > P.S. What the doodah does Godwin's Law mean? I'm intrigued too. It's a term that originated in the early days of Usenet but is applied to mailing list discussions as well. Mike Godwin is purported to have written: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." This was further built on, as described in umpteen online jargon dictionaries and Usenet histories. I quote from one: "There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely-recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful." The FAQ is here: Thus, here endeth the discussion on modern school uniforms, for several good reasons. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 16:20:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26459 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:20:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKLsOX023354; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LKLsc03447; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LKCoc27621 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821201249.45980.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:12:49 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D63F180.9C7093F5@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Napoleonic uniforms and sharp turn, Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:12:49 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Heck, Nicole...just about *anything* well-made, with gold and silver > lacing and silk, would be fun to sew _and_ watch being worn (especially > on guys like Ben, or Teddy). > --sue You can NEVER have enough gold, silver, spangles, ribbons, laces, glittery bits and shiny things on ANY costume *laughs* Can you tell I was a magpie in my last life? hehehe... Nicole - gooooold! goooold! she cries ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 16:20:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26463 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:20:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKM8OX023373; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:22:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LKM7c03572; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LKFkc29356 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821201546.93417.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:15:46 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Historical uniforms, was Re: [h-cost] Godwin's Law To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D63F308.4D17C39E@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:15:46 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > I think she's referring to school uniforms (given the context). > IIRC, Godwin's Law is some "law" for email lists and bulletin boards > relating to the unadvisability of the type of flaming and name-calling > that can result from posts such as the one recently about brown > shirts....Kind of a manners thing for such inflammatory topics as Nazis, > etc. > --sue Thanks, I had never heard about that *S* So it's simply a 'Common sense law' hm? :-) Anyway, I understand the uniform comment now, that does make sense if it is school uniforms, but.. are 1970s UK school uniforms not classifiable as histprical costumes as well? *grins* Nah, I know what you mean, thanks. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 16:32:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26519 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:32:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKYTOX024403; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:34:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LKYSc10889; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:34:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LKNVc04342 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:23:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 10514 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 20:47:37 -0000 Received: from 66-81-45-249-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.45.249) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 20:47:37 -0000 Message-ID: <3D63F43B.36AA1E5F@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:12:43 -0700 Status: RO > > "The only trouble with > women's work, is that you let women do it and it they take too long!" > > > > I love that! Can I quote you? > > Kit Feel free. -- Stephen Bergdahl www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm Co-Chair Costume-Con 24 Bid www.2xtreme.net/madly/Costuming101/Costume-Con24/Frames.html Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 16:33:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26524 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:33:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKZ4OX024457; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LKZ4c11254; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40311.mail.yahoo.com (web40311.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LKQUc06105 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:26:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821202625.69844.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.1.20.112] by web40311.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:26:25 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?marcus=20findlay-arthur?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] OT;Results of dye help Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:26:25 +0100 (BST) Status: RO To all on the List especially Teddy,many thanks for you help with my 'ruined' angarkha and all the advice you gave out! Despite 17 yards of various fabrics incorporated in the garment and the whole being hand sewn - its drying as I write after its second immersion of dye and I'm thrilled to bits! It took 4 boxes of Dylon Cherry Red and 2 boxes of Scarlet to get the 'right' colour in the end.Yep and it soaked it all up like a spong.The easiest dye experience I could've ever wished for.I'm hooked - stripped the colour from a tablecloth thats headed for floor cushions and dyed it last night and am looking around my stash and wondering what I can dye for future use! < : >>> Teddy,I'm going to the A&S University in November if I'm well enough.Am doing the varak-ka-kaam technique with 23.5ct gold to exhibit and plan to do a lecture on Hindu draped men's wear vs sewn Mughal Court garb.Also looks as if I'll be able to make the Far Isles 'do' in September wasn't it? Marcus/Mangal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 16:37:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26546 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:37:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKciOX024772; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:38:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LKcic13470; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:38:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LKYHc10753 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bella (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A14E916000524 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:34:10 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <007201c24952$21f44e00$0101a8c0@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drea's pics - black lace MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:34:22 +0100 Status: RO Dear Catherine, and Costumers, > It was a great learning experience to work out > the patterns in Le Pompe since there were no instructions :). > > Catherine No instructions - how awful! You have my admiration. In my copy, the second half of the book is taken up with a Technical Section which includes history; prickings and instructions for a representative selection of types of lace from the facsimiles of the two 'Le Pompe' books in the first half. And there is even a piece on how to make your own pricking from a woodcut. > Page 19, Pattern F, of the facsimile of the first book, as reproduced > in "Le Pompe, 1559, Patterns for Venetian bobbin lace", Facsimile with > Introduction by Santina M. Levey, Technical Section by Patricia C. Payne, > Drawings by Bridget M. Cook' Ruth Bean, Carlton Bedford,1983. Linda Walton, (High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 16:40:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26565 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:40:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKfjOX025028; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LKfic15301; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LKYKc10796 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bella (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DE6C51600036C for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:34:14 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <007301c24952$2456a800$0101a8c0@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (WAS: Brocades and ... ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:34:26 +0100 Status: RO Dear Angela, and Costumers, > Edging off-topic here, talking about contemporary clothing, but . . . (snip) > How would those of you who have dealt with uniforms respond to these thoughts? By now, my school uniform of the 1950s probably count as 'historic', anyway - here goes ! > There is a "school" of thought that uniforms can accentuate the economic differences among students . . . In my family, both my mother and my grandmother as well as myself passed the scholarship exams to go to grammar school, but I was the first one to go there - because by my generation we could afford the uniform, and the fees had disappeared when the state took over.My (much younger sister) was the first one to go to university, because we were able to support her when aided by the grant system. (You got a grant in those days!) Nowadays, some families can get a grant for school uniform. My sister teaches in a *very* poor area, and there are some children for whom their school uniform is their only warm clothing. Mine was a Catholic school, girls only, and I remember very little bullying; the merest hint was stopped with great speed. Although there was a wide range of family incomes in the backgrounds of the pupils, it showed not in dress or accessories, but in how 'street-wise' you were about the world; that is, knowing how to decide to have a career; what to study for it; what university was all about; having seen people play tennis before; social graces. The bullying came from outside, from people who didn't like Catholics. > And as for uniforms saving money over "free-form" clothes, well, you still have to buy regular clothes for the kids anyway, in addition to the uniforms, right? . . . Yes - but the uniform takes a lot of the daily wear and tear, so you can save other clothes for 'best', or for 'gardening' and so on. (I noticed this again, when I stopped nursing; I'd had more to spend on special clothes because I didn't have to produce reasonably smart work clothes each day.) At my school, we didn't wear gymslips, (did these go out when fabric was in short supply - all those pleats - during World War II?): we wore pinafore dresses with Vyella blouses, and out mothers bought the fabric, and chose from a range of patterns to make the blouses. (This was a blow to my mother, who couldn't sew - but good business for the village dressmaker. Does the village dressmaker still survive anywhere, I wonder?) Later, the parents demanded that the school change to a supplier of uniform instead of the local shop. Although this seemed to be cheaper, it proved to be much less so. Garments wore out faster, so couldn't be passed on to others; and were nowhere near so comfortable nor so attractive to wear. As part of this change, the Sixth Formers, (16 to 18 or 19 years old), were allowed to wear their own clothes. It was much more of a nuisance to prepare clothes ready for each day. Most of us quickly lapsed into an equivalent uniform of blouse, skirt and cardigan which we kept for school. There was one rule which continues to puzzle me to this day: we were not to wear clothes coloured black or red. Does anyone have any ideas why these were forbidden ? Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 16:46:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26581 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:46:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKlfOX025442; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:47:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LKlfc18672; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:47:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LKcac13333 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:38:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H17000VAO0BLQ@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:38:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (WAS: Brocades and ... ) In-reply-to: <20020821183016.71826.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020821124842.04c2d810@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:07:58 -0700 Status: RO They're a really stupid idea. My kids endured four years of school uniforms, and we found they didn't solve any of the problems they were supposed to solve, plus creating more problems (problems here listed are problems I have seen locally). The tax payers have to subsidize the folks who are too poor to afford uniforms. The uniforms are expensive to buy but cheaply made (skirt pleat creases held in place with hot glue, etc.). Two complete uniforms isn't enough for a whole week of wear, and the kids still need all their other clothes bought. Gang activity doesn't stop in schools with uniforms, it just goes subtle (gang colours worn on earrings and necklaces, gang handshakes, etc.) And gang related fighting, and shootings, continue. Differences in wealth are still apparent, as usual, by brand name and expense of accessories, and what neighborhood you came from is apparent in how you stand and walk in your uniform (inner-city poor kids vs. suburban yuppie kids). Children with chemical allergies suffer in polyester uniforms (I'm not allergic to anything, but my hands broke out in red spots half-way thru hemming my daughter's new uniform skirt). And the presence of dress codes, in a culture not used to them (California) brings out any officiousness present in the administration, and gives them more reasons to hassle kids, or more nuisance ordinances to claim the kids broke when they want to expel a kid. The roughest thing, for kids in schools that voted to adopt uniforms, is that not all schools did, and the uniform-wearing kids have to deal with non-uniform-wearing kids, or not getting to wear what they want when their friends from other schools do get to. Fume, fume, they're a really stupid idea in California, where we have no history of wearing them (except in Catholic school), and no reason to love them. In England, where school uniforms have been around for I don't know how many centuries, they are looked upon very differently. But grafting school uniforms onto Californians is a really stupid idea. >uniforms might not be the cure-all many people seem to think they are. > > > >There is a "school" of thought that uniforms can accentuate the economic >differences among students, because more affluent families can afford to >buy many garments, so they show less wear. Also, affluent families can >buy all the varieties and accessories, whereas the poorer students are >conspicuously wearing the same basic thing all the time. > > > >And as for uniforms saving money over "free-form" clothes, well, you still >have to buy regular clothes for the kids anyway, in addition to the >uniforms, right? And uniforms are fixed-price, whereas you can search for >regular clothes in a wide price range, or even *gasp* sew them >yourself. (Now there's an idea: when schools have uniforms, they could >sell the fabric by the yard as well. But then you'd get things that are >not the same "degree of dressiness" as someone else put it.) > > > >How would those of you who have dealt with uniforms respond to these >thoughts? > >Just curious- > >Angela > > > >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs, >a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 16:54:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26644 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:54:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKuhOX026169; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:56:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LKugc23845; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:56:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (root@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu [128.200.119.150]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LKomc20468 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:50:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from UAOBRIEN.uci.edu (HIB435A.HNET.UCI.EDU [128.200.119.223]) by benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id NAA20893 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821132848.01b84eb8@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> X-Sender: uaobrien@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" In-Reply-To: <20020821194000.56765.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <002701c24948$ec6b6790$0100a8c0@gateway> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] OT: Godwin's Law Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:54:20 -0700 Status: RO At 12:40 PM 8/21/2002, N Kipar wrote: >P.S. What the doodah does Godwin's Law mean? I'm intrigued too. Godwin's Law is an aphorism of Mike Godwin's, an observation about online discussions on Usenet, but with plausible application to pretty much any online. From the Jargon File: "[Usenet] 'As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.' There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress." Another common Usenet tradition is the assumption that even if discussion goes on after an invocation of Nazis or Hitler, nothing useful or productive is likely to be said after that, because the introduction of a completely inflammatory analogy tends to reduce people to less than rational discourse. The common wisdom is that at that point it's best to turn your attention to something else. Ulrika O'Brien English & Comparative Literature University of California, Irvine 435 Humanities Instructional Building (949) 824-6712 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 17:22:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26763 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:22:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LLOSOX028109; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LLORc10133; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:24:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LLDFc03448 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:13:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.201]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020821211313.CZSI23840.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:13:13 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OTFar Isles (was Results of dye help) Message-ID: <3D64106F.10941.D8D44B@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020821202625.69844.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:13:03 +0100 Status: RO On 21 Aug 2002 at 21:26, marcus findlay-arthur wrote: > Also looks as if I'll be able to make the Far > Isles 'do' in September wasn't it? September? (blink) OK, that's the one I'm running. At Kemsing youth hostel: a fighting/archery weekend, with garb optional. You'd be very welcome, of course, but no way is it a costume event. If that's what you want, I'll get booking forms to you. (Of course, if anyone wanted to use the excessive spare space in the hostel for costume-related things while we hit each other outside, you'd be very welcome to do that, too. All friends of King Guy, whether members of the Isles or not....) OTOH, our usual "big" event of the year is in October, at St Briavels castle. Feasting, King Guy holding court, lots of posh frocks. Does that seem more likely? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 17:35:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26814 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:35:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LLbSOX029256; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LLbSc17894; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f132.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.132]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LLQCc11192 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:26:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:26:06 -0700 Received: from 65.116.171.30 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:26:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.116.171.30] From: "R Harper" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 21:26:06.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C524E10:01C24959] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Paned Trunkhose Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:26:06 -0400 Status: RO Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26886 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:51:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LLqsOX000550; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:52:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LLqrc26964; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:52:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LLljc24147 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:47:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821214744.91024.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:47:44 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Godwin's Law To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821132848.01b84eb8@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:47:44 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- "Ulrika A. O'Brien" wrote: > At 12:40 PM 8/21/2002, N Kipar wrote: > > >P.S. What the doodah does Godwin's Law mean? I'm intrigued too. > > Godwin's Law is an aphorism of Mike Godwin's, an observation about > online discussions on Usenet, but with plausible application to > pretty much any online. From the Jargon File: Ah, thanks, I see, I never ever used Usenet, guess that's why I never came across it. Cheers! Interesting thought, I don't agree with all of what he said, but in general, yes, very true. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 17:59:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26904 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:59:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LM1SOX001337; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:01:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LM1Rc02208; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:01:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7LLqVc26765 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:52:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020821215231.58631.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:52:31 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Colours, was Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (WAS: Brocades and ... ) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <007301c24952$2456a800$0101a8c0@bella> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:52:31 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Linda Walton wrote: > > There was one rule which continues to puzzle me to this day: we were not to > wear clothes coloured black or red. Does anyone have any ideas why these > were forbidden ? Hmmm.. just a thought, you said yours was a catholic school, I remember from the village where my mum comes, from that the priest (Catholic of course in that part of the country in Germany) always wore a black and red combination of special church days I think. Was it black and red piped? Could it have anything to do with that? Just a wild guess. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 18:15:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27011 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:15:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LMGlOX003095; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:16:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LMGkA12716; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:16:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LMAtc09114 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:10:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-116-223.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.116.223]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AKA36022; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:09:26 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <018801c2495f$d60a1160$b16e4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20020821215231.58631.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Colours, was Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (WAS: Brocades and ... ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:12:27 +0100 Status: RO >> There was one rule which continues to puzzle me to this day: we were not to > wear clothes coloured black or red. Does anyone have any ideas why these > were forbidden ? In my school the uniform was red & very very dark navy. The school next to us was Catholic they had yellow & Navy Or it could have been black, the navy was too dark to tell really Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 18:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27099 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:36:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LMcWOX004691; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:38:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LMcV624480; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:38:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LMSR619388 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:28:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from qwerty.optusnet.com.au (c16828.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [211.28.151.194]) by mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7LMSKi08179 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:28:20 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020822081736.029b5460@210.49.20.169> X-Sender: koidgath@210.49.20.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sharon Nevin In-Reply-To: <007201c24952$21f44e00$0101a8c0@bella> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Need help with washing fabric Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:21:19 +1000 Status: RO At the risk of making people jealous: ) I brought 10 metres of a lovely green silk organza simply because it was au$1.49 a metre. Now the question is how do I wash it. Of the course the tag says dry clean only. What happens if I wash it by hand? How does they texture change? I'd ask for suggestions on how to use it but I have a strong suspicion that it would involve people saying that they would use it Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 18:42:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27120 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:42:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LMiTOX005132; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:44:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LMiS627503; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LMbQ623930 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:37:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway (ppp-208-171-197-210.01.promedia.net [208.171.197.210]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7LMbOO11721 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:37:24 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c24963$4ea87cd0$0100a8c0@gateway> From: "Joan Broneske" To: References: <20020821194000.56765.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> <3D63F308.4D17C39E@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: Historical uniforms, was Re: [h-cost] Godwin's Law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:37:12 -0700 Status: RO Yes, I did mean school uniforms, certainly not military uniforms! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Historical uniforms, was Re: [h-cost] Godwin's Law > I think she's referring to school uniforms (given the context). > IIRC, Godwin's Law is some "law" for email lists and bulletin boards > relating to the unadvisability of the type of flaming and name-calling > that can result from posts such as the one recently about brown > shirts....Kind of a manners thing for such inflammatory topics as Nazis, > etc. > --sue > > N Kipar wrote: > > > > --- Joan Broneske wrote: > > > > degrade from there. Besides, uniforms don't have anything to do with > > > costumes anyway. > > > > Uhm, Joan, I highly disagree! Why would uniforms not have anything to do with > > costumes??? So what is it which I made for Ben? Not a costume? Is an Officer's > > uniform from 1700 not a historical costume? What about aaaaaaaall those > > re-enactors out there, is an ECW or ACW uniform not a costume? > > Now I am seriously confused. I consider for example a Napoleonic rifleman > > uniform a historical costume! > > > > Nicole > > P.S. What the doodah does Godwin's Law mean? I'm intrigued too. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 19:09:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27315 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:09:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LNBDOX007255; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:11:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LNBB611496; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06ps.bigpond.com (mta06ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.138]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LN2R607123 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.69]) by mta06ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H17UNR00.DSW for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:02:15 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.64 ([203.54.114.64]) by PSMAM01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 65/1302762); 22 Aug 2002 09:02:06 Message-ID: <3D650C77.C296C88C@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers References: <07f801c24771$756931a0$a4784ed5@melaniew> <3D626183.6871C168@bigpond.com> <01bb01c2480c$8a4e7440$be794ed5@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:08:23 -0700 Status: RO Melanie Wilson wrote: > > The point is I can function quite happily in a skirt & doing very active > things, but I still believe (and my experiances back this up) that the > skirts do restrict you quite subtly , if they were all you were used to it > you would barely notice as you could not compare the two. I do notice > however and it is harder, more importantly perhaps it carries higher risk > factors, such as animals stepping on your skirts, getting caught in things, > greater likelyhood of being blown from high & windy places, greater risk of > drowning if you fall in water (falling down wells was a big killer of female > in one area of England in the 13th C), more skirt to set of fire when > cooking etc etc. > Hmmm...point taken. I wonder how much of it is also just a desire for differentiation between the sexes (the most burdensome aspects of which almost always seem to fall to women). I was also wondering last night whether there were similar restrictions historically on men dressing as women. I remember reading of a German doctor in the early 16th century who was arrested (and executed I think) for dressing up as a woman so he could watch women in childbirth. It was never specified if he was punished for the dressing up or the watching (though the latter seems a bit odd for a doctor). Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 19:18:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27341 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:18:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LNKVOX007795; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:20:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LNKU615470; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:20:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05ps.bigpond.com (mta05ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LN7b609960 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:07:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.69]) by mta05ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta05ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H17UW800.EJM for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:07:20 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.64 ([203.54.114.64]) by PSMAM01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 65/1308955); 22 Aug 2002 09:07:11 Message-ID: <3D650DA8.8DE96344@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... References: <3.0.6.32.20020821120305.01338570@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:13:28 -0700 Status: RO Margo Anderson wrote: > My children's school has a strict dress code that's mainly designed to > reduce the presence of pop culture. No logos or other advertising, no > Disney characters, no sports emblems. > Oh, I like that idea. > > Shopping can be a real challenge. Finding shoes, T-shirts, etc without > logos at the prices I can afford is hard. I guess the advertising > subsidizes the manufacturing for lower end goods. This year, I'm ordering > a dozen white T-shirts from Dharma, and some dye. We'll tie dye some and > do the rest in solid colors. > > I'm just glad I have boys, not girls, becasue most of the clothes in the > stores for pre teen girls look like the wardrobe for kiddie porn movies. > Pink short shorts and halter top combos, that say "cutie" in glitter. Ugh! > *shudder* Even for quite small girls. I'm hoping the fad is past by the time my daughter is old enough to become aware of it. Brittany Spears has a lot to answer for I think - even in adult clothing. I was trying to buy some trousers for work the other day and I had a job finding any that weren't hipsters (which I assure you do not look good on someone who is my body shape, and has had a baby) :-P Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 19:22:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27361 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:22:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LNNjOX007992; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:23:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LNNi616838; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:23:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LNF8613140 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.9.) id 6.55.2c27fdbf (16930) for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:14:59 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <55.2c27fdbf.2a9578f3@aol.com> Subject: Re: Uniforms, was Re: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_55.2c27fdbf.2a9578f3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:14:59 EDT Status: RO --part1_55.2c27fdbf.2a9578f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2002 3:23:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes: > > How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. > > ????????????? > I do hope you didn't mean what it sounded like? > Be not alarmed. It was just a smarty pants [a pun] comment expressing my distaste for the uniform as a tool to reduce....well, anything. As an exercise in discipline, it is probably useful and may be helpful at building character. --part1_55.2c27fdbf.2a9578f3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2002 3:23:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes:


> How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots.

?????????????
I do hope you didn't mean what it sounded like?


Be not alarmed. It was just a smarty pants [a pun] comment expressing my distaste for the uniform as a tool to reduce....well, anything.

As an exercise in discipline, it is probably useful and may be helpful at building character.
--part1_55.2c27fdbf.2a9578f3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 19:24:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27373 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:24:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LNQgOX008118; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:26:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LNQf618167; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:26:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta01ps.bigpond.com (mta01ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LNCH612035 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:12:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.69]) by mta01ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta01ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H17V4900.3I5 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:12:09 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.64 ([203.54.114.64]) by PSMAM01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 65/1314587); 22 Aug 2002 09:11:47 Message-ID: <3D650EBC.8DE33219@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Man's overcoat References: <3D6113C2.DBEF1064@bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:18:04 -0700 Status: RO Heather Rose Jones wrote: > At 8:50 AM -0700 8/19/02, Claire Clarke wrote: > >Hi all, > > wondering if anyone can answer this question. It's not important, just > >curiosity. > >I am currently using an overcoat that my husband inherited from his mad > >old > >great uncle. It's a marvellous coat. Rather old, and beautifully made. > >When I was > >a kid I alway wanted a inside breast pocket like my dad had, and was > >very grumpy > >that girls' coats never had them. Now I have a coat with one I always > >forget it is > >there because I'm not used to it (also it is more like waist level 'cos > >I'm short > >but never mind). Anyway, the question is this: just below said inside > >breast pocket > >there is a small button, and about six inches below that another the > >same size. There > >similar buttons in similar places on the opposite side. These buttons > >are too small > >to be 'spares' for the outer buttons, and there are no apparent button > >holes for > >them. Anyone know what these buttons are for? > > > >Claire > >(it's a double breasted coat if that makes any difference) > > > > This may be a silly question, but bear with me because you can look > at the coat and I can't. Do the small inside buttons, by any chance, > line up with the large outer buttons? Sometimes small buttons are > used behind large ones as a "stop" to prevent the large button from > tearing out of the fabric. (I've done this on coats frequently.) > > Well now I feel slightly embarrassed. I had considered the 'fastening the underflap' option and dismissed it because there were only two small buttons and three large button holes for fasteniong the coat. However yesterday I noticed that there are in fact three small buttons. My excuse it that on the left inside which is the one I normally look at, one of the small buttons has been replaced by a large one the same as the outside buttons and I had always assumed it was a spare. Yesterday I saw there are three small buttons on the right inside. Their position corresponds almost exactly to the large outer buttons, but they are only sewn to the lining not all the way through, so I think they are for fastening the inside flap. Too bad, I was hoping it was something really interesting and bizarre. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 19:36:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27406 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:36:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LNcMOX008758; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LNcL622918; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:38:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LNMa616366 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:22:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.9.) id 6.19d.7628aba (16930) for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:22:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <19d.7628aba.2a957ab4@aol.com> Subject: Re: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross dressingsoldi... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19d.7628aba.2a957ab4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:22:28 EDT Status: RO --part1_19d.7628aba.2a957ab4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2002 3:23:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: > --Sue, climbing down off her *very* comfortable soapbox > I agree. I didn't mean to sound like I was whining. I just hate the uniform-as-cure-all argument and have heard it a lot. It seems to be a favorite with my conservative family.....who had no idea what was going on in school. Oops...there I go again! [see, it's not as serious as I may have sounded] What people wear is the least of school problems. --part1_19d.7628aba.2a957ab4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2002 3:23:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes:


--Sue, climbing down off her *very* comfortable soapbox


I agree.
I didn't mean to sound like I was whining. I just hate the uniform-as-cure-all argument and have heard it a lot. It seems to be a favorite with my conservative family.....who had no idea what was going on in school. Oops...there I go again! [see, it's not as serious as I may have sounded]

What people wear is the least of school problems.
--part1_19d.7628aba.2a957ab4_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 20:14:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27609 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:14:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M0G7OX010819; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M0G6606719; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M06O603227 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:06:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1700IHDXMNUU@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... In-reply-to: <3D650DA8.8DE96344@bigpond.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020821170538.00cc48d0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3.0.6.32.20020821120305.01338570@pop.directcon.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:06:20 -0700 Status: RO > > I'm just glad I have boys, not girls, becasue most of the clothes in the > > stores for pre teen girls look like the wardrobe for kiddie porn movies. > > Pink short shorts and halter top combos, that say "cutie" in glitter. Ugh! > > > >*shudder* Even for quite small girls. I'm hoping the fad is past by the time >my daughter is old enough to become aware of it. Brittany Spears has a lot >to answer for I think - even in adult clothing. I was trying to buy some >trousers >for work the other day and I had a job finding any that weren't hipsters >(which > >I assure you do not look good on someone who is my body shape, and has >had a baby) :-P Sad to think that any style I like now is already historical, even the recently historical ones from a few years ago. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 20:14:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27614 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:14:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M0GXOX010858; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:16:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M0GX606932; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:16:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M01U601596 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:01:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.152]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g7M01T025336 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:01:29 +1000 Message-ID: <1cb501c2496e$f6709a00$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20020821124842.04c2d810@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:00:42 +1000 Status: RO Our kid's schools have a wonderful, inexpensive idea of uniform - Primary school For boys Summer - plain white polo shirt, or shirt with school crest, grey shorts, grey socks, black shoes. Winter - white polo neck 'skivvy', green track pants, green track top, optional green zippered jacket (if you feel the cold), same socks and shoes. For girls Summer - simple A-cut school specific dress, or polo shirt as above, green shorts, white socks, black shoes Winter - as boys, with optional winter skirt and green tights High School plain white polo shirt, blue short or long pants (or school specific skirt for girls), blue track top with school crest, white socks, black shoes. Any of these can be got reasonbly at our local discount clothing stores, except the school specific items, which are bought in bulk by the school, and sold for not much more than the plain ones. I find the uniforms are not expensive, except if you need to buy the whole lot at once. The thing I like most about the school uniforms around here is that they're comfortable for the children - no formal shirts that need ironing or tailored dresses pants that you never quite fit a growing body properly. We've had school uniforms in Australia for ages, and I don't know any parent who wants to go to non-uniform. We have mufti days a couple of times a term, and that's enough thought for everyone. The high school was getting a bit slack on uniform for a while, and found that they couldn't tell outsiders on school property from students, which ended up with local drug dealers coming onto school property at lunch. Since they've brought back the stricter uniform, these people don't come in because they'll be noticed (they don't seem to be clever enough to work out that they can also wear white shirt and blue pants!!) Having a uniform also helped when Andrew was hit by a car this year. They were able to tell which school he was from, and get in touch immediately. It has also helped with truanting, as it stands out when people are walking the streets in uniform instead of attending classes. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 20:17:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27630 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:17:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M0JTOX011077; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M0JS607924; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:19:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M02T601913 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:02:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.189.36.255] (HELO [192.168.1.103]) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 48632231 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:00:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D650DA8.8DE96344@bigpond.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20020821120305.01338570@pop.directcon.net> <3D650DA8.8DE96344@bigpond.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:00:50 -0400 Status: RO At 9:13 AM -0700 8/22/02, Claire Clarke wrote: >*shudder* Even for quite small girls. I'm hoping the fad is past by the time >my daughter is old enough to become aware of it. Brittany Spears has a lot >to answer for I think - even in adult clothing. Good luck- it was a challenge for me to find reasonably priced, non-tarty clothes for my daughter when she was young, and she's just turned 18! It doesn't seem to be going out of style for little girls, unfortunately. -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 20:17:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27634 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:17:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M0JjOX011102; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:19:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M0Jj608050; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:19:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M06p603391 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:06:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3235F204C6 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 07AB52067A for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <06ef01c2496f$c5e03d40$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20020821120305.01338570@pop.directcon.net> <3D650DA8.8DE96344@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:05:43 -0400 Status: RO Brittany Spears has a lot > to answer for I think - even in adult clothing. << Britney Spears has a lot to answer for period. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 20:29:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27656 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:29:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M0VBOX011689; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:31:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M0VA611935; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M0GN606845 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06132 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:18:24 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help with washing fabric In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020822081736.029b5460@210.49.20.169> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:18:24 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Sharon Nevin wrote: > At the risk of making people jealous: ) I brought 10 metres of a lovely > green silk organza simply because it was au$1.49 a metre. Now the question > is how do I wash it. Of the course the tag says dry clean only. What > happens if I wash it by hand? How does they texture change? I have always washed my silk. You may get a slight color change -- in essence, it all becomes one big water spot ;-) Or you may get a loss of stiffness, but that did not happen the one time I *tried* to get organza less stiff! You may want to try sacrificing a quarter of a yard to a washing test. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 20:49:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27718 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:49:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M0p9OX012576; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:51:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M0p8618517; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:51:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M0fE615100 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:41:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net ([63.195.84.96]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1700IXZZ8OIS@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:41:13 -0700 (PDT) From: larry kincaid To: h-costume Message-id: <3D64342D.FF3BCE26@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Subject: [h-cost] store in paris Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:45:33 -0700 Status: RO A friend of mine just returned form Paris today with the web site address of a store in Paris that he walked through and he was very impressed with the variety of costumes and fabrics. Here is the url; http://www.theatrhall.com/ regards Larry Kincaid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 21:13:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27811 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:13:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M1F8OX013659; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M1F7626687; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M0uW620395 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:56:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id SAA25329 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:16:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200208220116.SAA25329@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross dressingsoldiers) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/21/2002 1:23:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > > Now, as a parent shopping for two > > growing boys, I wish we could simplify it all with uniforms! > > > > How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. Uncalled for. By Godwin's Law, this thread has now outlived its chance for rational discussion. (ie, first mention of "Hitler" or "Nazis" ends the usefulness of the thread) And please reset your AOL software to stop sending HTML code. It's not friendly and wastes bandwidth on the listserv. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 21:16:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27835 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:16:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M1ILOX013842; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:18:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M1IK627855; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:18:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M138622674 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:03:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.169] (pm5-169.eos.net [205.133.149.169]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24779 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:03:06 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020821152347.26078.89019.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: cross-dressing soldiers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:01:29 -0400 Status: RO Yes, Robin, that is what I meant. Thanks! I was only trying to say that I am curious about why so many women reenactors are only interested in reenacting women of the past who were not typical of their time or culture. And the way they are not typical is always that they are more like US. I am interested in the past because I want to know what it was like, and what people then did and thought. But lots of people are not. I just think it's interesting, and says a lot about people of today, that this is so. And that's the last I'll post on this topic. Sorry I had to post a clarification -- Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 21:36:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27932 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:36:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M1cKOX014818; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:38:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M1cJ604724; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20210.mail.yahoo.com (web20210.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7M1RI601049 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:27:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020822012718.31903.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.231.125] by web20210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:27:18 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Le Pompe" (was Drea's pics - black lace) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:27:18 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Catherine Kinsey wrote: > "Le > Pompe, 1559, Patterns for Venetian bobbin lace", > Facsimile with > Introduction > by Santina M. Levey, Technical Section by Patricia > C. Payne, Drawings > by > Bridget M. Cook' Ruth Bean, Carlton Bedford,1983. > Does anyone know where I can buy this book, or is it out of print? I've done a net search but haven't come up with anything yet. Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 21:51:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28022 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:51:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M1rCOX015532; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M1rC609657; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M1ZO603838 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pool-63.53.184.158.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.184.158]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17hgsb-0002E7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:35:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: cross dressing soliders (Fwd: CFP Kalamazoo 2003 Women Crossing Borders) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:20:42 -0700 Status: RO I was amused to receive this right after our discussion on cross-dressing ..... >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:40:15 -0600 >From: nwarren >Subject: [M-R] CFP Kalamazoo 2003 Women Crossing Borders > >Apologies for cross-posting; please forward to any appropriate lists / >interested parties > >I'm organizing one of the sessions sponsored by SMFS for K'zoo 2003 on the >topic "Women Crossing Borders." Papers might consider medieval women as >travelers, women who cross geographical borders through politically-arranged >marriages, women who transgress other types of borders (for instance, monastic >enclosure, the line between heresy and orthodoxy, the gender line). Feel free >to interpret the topic creatively. Papers that focus on any medieval culture >and any period(early, high, late, and, in keeping with the topic of the >session, somewhere on the border between medieval and early modern)are >invited. > >Please send one-page abstracts by September 15; electronic versions are fine. > >CONTACT INFO > >Nancy Bradley Warren >Department of English >Utah State University >3200 Old Main Hill >Logan, UT 84322-3200 > >nwarren@english.usu.edu > >FAX (435) 797-3797 > >Thanks in advance for your submissions. > >All the best, >Nancy > >********************************************************************** -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 22:14:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28129 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:14:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M2FmOX016499; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:15:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M2Fl616435; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:15:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M1s1609941 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17hhAe-0004cJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:54:00 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Organization: PII Message-ID: <000701c2497d$592c2480$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20020820075052.80244.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Wild Turkeys in Europe? Can I use their feathers? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:43:36 -0700 Status: RO My sister just sent me a bird-load of wild turkey feathers. They are really beautiful, but it got me to pondering if turkeys were a 'new world' bird. Anyone know? The re-enactment groups I work with go up to 1760, so its possible the could have gotten them from the colonies but unlikely that they would have bothered. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 22:24:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28184 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:24:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M2P8OX017038; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M2P7619469; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:25:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M2Af614881 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:10:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17hhQm-0005l8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:10:40 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need help with washing fabric Organization: PII Message-ID: <000801c2497f$ad02a0a0$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:00:21 -0700 Status: RO Well, I don't know what happened to the email I was writing, but if this is a repost I appologize. I agree with Robin. The best advice I ever got about silk was to treat it like your own hair. Use a gentle soap (like shampoo) and a leeeetle conditioner in the rinse water. I only send things with structure to the drycleaners-those things which would be distorted by tumbling in the dryer or hanging from a line or hanger. So silk business jackets or my bodices go to the dry cleaners-otherwise I wash it all by hand or in the gentle cycle. Organza I would think should be line dryed. **-----Original Message----- **From: h-costume-admin@indra.com **[mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton **Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 5:18 PM **To: h-costume@indra.com **Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help with washing fabric ** ** ** **On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Sharon Nevin wrote: ** **> At the risk of making people jealous: ) I brought 10 metres of a **> lovely **> green silk organza simply because it was au$1.49 a metre. **Now the question **> is how do I wash it. Of the course the tag says dry clean **only. What **> happens if I wash it by hand? How does they texture change? ** **I have always washed my silk. You may get a slight color **change -- in essence, it all becomes one big water spot ;-) **Or you may get a loss of stiffness, but that did not happen **the one time I *tried* to get organza less stiff! You may **want to try sacrificing a quarter of a yard to a washing test. ** **--Robin ** **_______________________________________________ **h-costume mailing list **h-costume@mail.indra.com **http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 22:38:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28234 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:38:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M2dmOX017690; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:39:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M2dl623942; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M2LM618276 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:21:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06871 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:23:24 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wild Turkeys in Europe? Can I use their feathers? In-Reply-To: <000701c2497d$592c2480$6501a8c0@Home> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:23:24 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Saragrace knauf wrote: > My sister just sent me a bird-load of wild turkey feathers. They are > really beautiful, but it got me to pondering if turkeys were a 'new > world' bird. Anyone know? > > The re-enactment groups I work with go up to 1760, so its possible the > could have gotten them from the colonies but unlikely that they would > have bothered. I seem to recall that turkeys became immensely popular in very short order after being brought back to the Old World and were soon being raised for an eager market in Europe. I daresay you would find turkey feathers in ready supply by the 1600s and possibly earlier. Perhaps one of our cooking specialists could comment on the availability of turkeys in these centuries? Where you have turkeys, you have feathers. (Whether they found the feathers useful or preferable is a separate question.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 22:47:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28286 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:47:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M2n6OX018091; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M2n5626778; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M2eZ624169 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:40:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17hhti-0000Cx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:40:34 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] paned trunkhose Organization: PII Message-ID: <000b01c24983$d9ae08c0$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <022601c248c1$0b2ece20$24cabfcf@ats.mcleodusa.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:30:05 -0700 Status: RO Arnold indicates that they used just about anything. Did you see the quote about the fellow that was arrested for some unkown offence and then challanged for over stuffing his 'pants'? It is on page 76 if POF I. It is hysterical! **-----Original Message----- **From: h-costume-admin@indra.com **[mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Avien **Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:16 PM **To: h-costume@indra.com **Subject: [h-cost] paned trunkhose ** ** **Hello, ** **I am making paned trunkhose for my husband and I'm not **exactly sure what to stuff them with. Netting was suggested, **I used tulle because I have a couple hundred yards of it **laying around. I stuffed it enough to get the look that I **wanted but I am afraid that when he wears a sword, the weight **of the sword will crush the trunkhose to nothing (I did the **wrong leg first as a test so he can't try on the sword easily). ** **In Janet Arnold's PoF, pg 22 fig. 138 (first picture that I **looked at that has the approximate look I am going for), the **sword does not appear to be crushing the trunkhose. It says **that horse hair and wool was used for another pair but I **don't have horse hair. Any suggestions? Or will the tulle **be good enough? Once again, I have waited until last minute **to finish my projects so I don't have time to look into this **thoroughly and was hoping that someone would have gone **through this before and know what works. ** **Thanks so much! **Avien ** **_______________________________________________ **h-costume mailing list **h-costume@mail.indra.com **http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 22:50:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28298 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:50:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M2q3OX018210; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M2q3627722; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20206.mail.yahoo.com (web20206.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7M2Y9622240 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:34:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020822023409.59209.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.231.125] by web20206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:34:09 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <06ef01c2496f$c5e03d40$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:34:09 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > Brittany Spears has a lot > > to answer for I think - even in adult clothing. << > > Britney Spears has a lot to answer for period. Shouldn't we rather blame the trend in society which idealises the pre-pubescent and teenage female body as the ultimate in sexual allurement? I don't like Brittany Spears, but she's only using that commodity to sell her music, and she's not the only one. If we didn't buy the magazines/videos/CDs/clothes etc where this kind of sex-kitten look is used to sell them things might change....sex sells, but we buy.... Bella...who is glad her 12 year old doesn't go in for that look http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 22:59:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28321 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:59:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M31BOX018610; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:01:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M31A600608; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:01:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7M2h1624851 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCmkT+JEPZ6qgs6N5ID8lYvyNw/Uj7QvhFw=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id HASLHUHN; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:42:53 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wild Turkeys in Europe? Can I use their feathers? Message-ID: <20020821.214042.-522775.11.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-6 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:40:42 -0500 Status: RO The wild turkey is in fact native to the New World ( Meleagris gallopavo) and can be found in it's natural habitat from Southern Maine and the Great Lakes in the North down to Guatemala in the South. A true wild Turkey has rusty tips to the feathers, not white according to 'Peterson's Field Guide to Birds of Eastern and Central North America'. 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Can I use their feathers? Message-ID: <20020821.214042.-522775.11.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-6 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:40:42 -0500 Status: RO The wild turkey is in fact native to the New World ( Meleagris gallopavo) and can be found in it's natural habitat from Southern Maine and the Great Lakes in the North down to Guatemala in the South. A true wild Turkey has rusty tips to the feathers, not white according to 'Peterson's Field Guide to Birds of Eastern and Central North America'. 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 23:22:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28425 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:22:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M3O7OX019632; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M3O6607441; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M3Fq604862 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:15:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17hiRq-0001bQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:15:51 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wild Turkeys in Europe? Can I use their feathers? Organization: PII Message-ID: <000e01c24988$c6eb8960$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20020821.214042.-522775.11.Seamstrix@juno.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:05:30 -0700 Status: RO ** **The wild turkey is in fact native to the New World ( **Meleagris gallopavo) and can be found in it's natural habitat **from Southern Maine and the Great Lakes in the North down to **Guatemala in the South. A true wild Turkey has rusty tips to **the feathers, not white according to 'Peterson's Field Guide **to Birds of Eastern and Central North America'. Sounds like them to me. Mine is from upper state New York. The feathers seem to be of two types. One is alternating 'stripes' of cream and greyish brown fairly similar width from top to bottom~12-14' tall. The other widen from bottom to top and are darker striped with a defined rusty color. Very pretty. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 23:25:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28450 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:25:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M3R8OX019756; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M3R8608469; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M39R603103 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:09:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2143.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.143]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08808 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:09:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3D6453EC.81CF1ABF@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states References: <153.12034029.2a815ae8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:01:00 -0400 Status: RO Hi. Amen, Brother! Isn't the Industry a wondrous thing? Got to love the meal penalties! Hope you made out well on that feature... Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 21 23:34:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28480 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:34:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M3aMOX020132; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M3aL611272; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:36:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M3RF608506 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:27:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-119-18-147.o1.jps.net ([216.119.18.147] helo=earthlink.net) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17hicr-00052o-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:27:14 -0700 Message-ID: <3D64596B.3CFC2C4@earthlink.net> From: Karolee Smiley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... References: <3.0.6.32.20020821120305.01338570@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:24:27 -0700 Status: RO Margo Anderson wrote: > My children's school has a strict dress code that's mainly designed to > reduce the presence of pop culture. No logos or other advertising, no > Disney characters, no sports emblems. > Shopping can be a real challenge. Finding shoes, T-shirts, etc without > logos at the prices I can afford is hard. I guess the advertising > subsidizes the manufacturing for lower end goods. This year, I'm ordering > a dozen white T-shirts from Dharma, and some dye. We'll tie dye some and > do the rest in solid colors. Hi I'm one of Stephanie Rose's friends. We met at a 12th night. I'm a public school teacher at a school with uniforms so I know the other side. There are many reasons for uniforms. Believe me as a teacher there is a world of difference between uniforms and no uniforms. Best bet is to hit Walmart. They have inexpensive uniforms. If the kids are too big for standard school uniform sizes, like secondary school age, try the catalogue like JCPenny. Penny's had a great discount on polos recently. Good luck Karolee 7th grade science teacher > I'm just glad I have boys, not girls, becasue most of the clothes in the > stores for pre teen girls look like the wardrobe for kiddie porn movies. > Pink short shorts and halter top combos, that say "cutie" in glitter. Ugh! > > Margo > > "One Tough Costumer" > > See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 02:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19625 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:36:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M6cNOX027111; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:38:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M6cL600563; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:38:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M6Ng626939 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:23:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-99-72.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.99.72]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AKB16067; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:23:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <031301c249a4$dc287ba0$b16e4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <07f801c24771$756931a0$a4784ed5@melaniew> <3D626183.6871C168@bigpond.com> <01bb01c2480c$8a4e7440$be794ed5@pavilion> <3D650C77.C296C88C@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:26:32 +0100 Status: RO >Hmmm...point taken. I wonder how much of it is also just a desire for differentiation between the sexes Possible, another mini theory I have is that it is the wee factor, without toilets skirts are far more dignified to squat in :) >for the dressing up or the watching (though the latter seems a bit odd for a doctor). I believe at the time (but it isn't my period) that women were still attended in childbirth & it was mostly a woman thing & doctors did other stuff, si it should reasonably logical. There was some swordmaster who dressed as a womon. Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 02:59:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00458 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:59:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M719OX027742; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M718605825; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M6nE603070 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:49:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.201]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020822064912.HPBN5047.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:49:12 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wild Turkeys in Europe? Can I use their feathers? Message-ID: <3D649773.15369.E8B98@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000701c2497d$592c2480$6501a8c0@Home> References: <20020820075052.80244.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:49:07 +0100 Status: RO On 21 Aug 2002 at 18:43, Saragrace knauf wrote: > My sister just sent me a bird-load of wild turkey feathers. They are > really beautiful, but it got me to pondering if turkeys were a 'new > world' bird. Anyone know? > > The re-enactment groups I work with go up to 1760, so its possible the > could have gotten them from the colonies but unlikely that they would > have bothered. This has received a lot of discussion on various cookery lists. Gode Cookery is usually reliable: http://www.godecookery.com/how2cook/howto04.ht m which says Turkey - Turkey is a New World food that reached Asia Minor only after 1500 and did not come into general use in Europe until the late 16th century, well after the Renaissance. The famous image of Henry VIII munching on a magnificently large turkey leg is classic but probably apocryphal. (The bird in question would more than likely have been from a goose or other large water fowl.) They are perfectly period for Elizabethan feasts, as turkeys* are mentioned in Thomas Tusser's 1576 farming calendar, but not for either the Middle Ages or Renaissance. Many Medieval themed restaurants and Renaissance Fairs should be sternly admonished for serving turkey (and potatoes) as authentic food! The only instance in which turkey should be considered for a modern Medieval dinner is as a replacement for peacock or swan, two large birds not readily available for the kitchen today and whose meat is not nearly as tender & moist as turkey. *There is also clear evidence to show that the bird Europeans of the 16th century called "turkey" was actually the West African Guinea Fowl; Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary says of the name turkey: "confusion with the guinea fowl, supposed to be imported from Turkish territory (1555)" This indicates that the bird which was imported from Turkey into Europe throughout the 1500s and called "turkey" was in reality the West African Guinea Fowl, not the large bird indigenous to North America that we know today as the turkey. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 03:22:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27239 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:22:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M7O8OX028353; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:24:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M7O7611019; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M7DQ608704 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-0ccsjoa.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.79.10] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17hm9m-0003T1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:13:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3D648E98.F3158571@earthlink.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Godwin's Law References: <002701c24948$ec6b6790$0100a8c0@gateway> <5.1.0.14.2.20020821132848.01b84eb8@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: perronnelle@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:11:20 -0500 Status: RO > >P.S. What the doodah does Godwin's Law mean? I'm intrigued too. > > Godwin's Law is an aphorism of Mike Godwin's, an observation about > online discussions on Usenet, but with plausible application to > pretty much any online. From the Jargon File: A good discussion may be found at http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ --Charlene -- It is not so much our friends' help that help us as the confident knowledge that they will help us. --Epicurus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 03:56:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24090 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:56:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M7wJOX029364; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:58:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M7wH619058; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:58:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7M7ed614766 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:40:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020822074039.68756.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:40:39 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] store in paris To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D64342D.FF3BCE26@pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:40:39 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- larry kincaid wrote: > A friend of mine just returned form Paris today with the web site > address of a store in Paris that he walked through and he was very > impressed with the variety of costumes and fabrics. Here is the > url; http://www.theatrhall.com/ Ohhh, they have a website now!!! I went into this shop too, a few years back when I went to visit friends in Paris. It's a lovely shop! I actually bought something there, I saw this walking stick (lovely laquered wood and silvr knob top with intricate foliate design) in the shop window and that was it, I fell in love with it! It was NOT that expensive, I was a postgraduate back then, with a part time Uni job, wouldn't have been able to afford it otherwise. I didn't have any 'use' for it, but when I tore all the ligaments in my left foot I really did have the most stylish hobble cane *G* Nowadays Ben uses the Parisian cane with his costume, I knew that one day my baby would be of costume use. http://www.kipar.org/events/vaux_fete01/ben02.jpg (just wish you'd be able to see the lovely silver top) If you're in Paris, take a look at the shop, it's lovely! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 04:19:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27365 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:19:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M8LAOX000784; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:21:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M8L8623999; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:21:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M8Ci622226 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:12:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-0ccsjoa.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.79.10] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17hn59-0007DN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:12:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3D648F16.78EE8EA1@earthlink.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Godwin's Law References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821114610.01b85eb0@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> <002701c24948$ec6b6790$0100a8c0@gateway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: perronnelle@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:13:26 -0500 Status: RO Joan Broneske wrote: > degrade from there. Besides, uniforms don't have anything to do with > costumes anyway. I've been several long-winded threads and didn't see the post that sparked this reply. The original discussion may have been off-topic, but since when are uniforms not costuming-related? --Charlene -- It is not so much our friends' help that help us as the confident knowledge that they will help us. --Epicurus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 05:26:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28760 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:26:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M9SMOX002050; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:28:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M9SL606923; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:28:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M9I9627810 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19277.; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:19:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:18:08 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (WAS: Brocades and ... ) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7M9I9627810 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:17:39 +0100 Status: RO Linda Walton wrote: >There was one rule which continues to puzzle me to this day: we were not >to wear clothes coloured black or red. Does anyone have any ideas why >these were forbidden ? No, I haven't. I went to a school run by the Moravians (a Protestant sect) though I'm Anglican. Our uniform was scarlet and grey; one style for winter, one for summer, and the only element of choice was between a scarlet cardigan or a grey sweater with scarlet line round the neck. No jewellery was allowed in school (except watches). School uniforms are the norm in the UK, at least for seniors, and nowadays primary school children often wear a sweatshirt with the emblem of their school. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 05:27:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28768 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:27:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M9SuOX002068; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:28:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M9Su607074; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:28:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M9IX629791 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:18:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AD34189E01F8; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:21:56 -0500 Message-ID: <00a501c249bc$d53e3ba0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] It Works!!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:18:09 -0400 Status: RO Yesterday, I received my OCR scanner that we purchased with the Costume Society grant funds. The scanner will scan and read the text, then put it into it into a Word document. Then you have to edit it. Well, I have been saving an article to test the OCR on... I had the article ready for the web tonight in 5 hrs. YIPPEE!!! I didn't have to type the article. The entire article was originally in about pitch 1 in size (tiny, tiny) and was in a 5" X 7" catalog. So here it is... http://www.costumegallery.com/1910/Men/Suits/guidelines.htm I am so thrilled to have this menswear catalog... it was another one of my bidding wars I got into on eBay. Men's catalogs are so hard to find. This online catalog will contain when complete online, 30 men's suit and coat illustrations, 8 vests, and 2 trousers, and 10 stitch designs for suit cuffs. There is also a measurement table on the appropriate length for all the coats by a person's height. A handy thing for theater people. It is a treasure!!! We should have the entire catalog online soon... we are finishing the final layout. If you would like to see one more page from the catalog, here is the image map for the vests, http://www.costumegallery.com/1910/Men/Suits/vests.htm . When complete, you may click on any vest and a box will pop up with an enlargement. BTW, from the same ebay seller, I purchased a 1910 men's shoe catalog! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 05:49:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29153 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:49:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M9p6OX002511; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:51:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M9p5611995; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:51:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7M9fN609794 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20714.; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:42:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:41:21 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7M9fN609794 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:40:53 +0100 Status: RO Melanie Wilson wrote: Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> I believe at the time (but it isn't my period) that women were still attended in childbirth & it was mostly a woman thing & doctors did other stuff, si it should reasonably logical. Yes, that's right. The "man-midwife" was a new specialism, I think in the early 18th century. Before that, men were expected to keep well clear when a child was being born. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 06:23:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29709 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:23:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MAP6OX003279; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:25:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MAP6619839; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:25:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MAGo618026 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22642.; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:18:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:16:49 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wild Turkeys in Europe? Can I use their feathers? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7MAGo618026 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:16:35 +0100 Status: RO I recently checked this quotation for another list... "Turkeys, heresies, hops and beer Came to England all in one year" the year being around 1525-1530. Apparently hops *were* known here before this time, but not widely used for beer-making. The heresy is presumably Protestantism. Whether the turkeys were really guinea-fowl as someone suggests, I don't know. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 06:35:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29865 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:35:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MAb7OX003547; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MAb6622463; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:37:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MASZ620625 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:28:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A0720ADE for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EC01B20739 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <085e01c249c6$a159e2d0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020822023409.59209.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:28:16 -0400 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bella" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... > --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > Brittany Spears has a lot > > > to answer for I think - even in adult clothing. << > > > > Britney Spears has a lot to answer for period. > > > Shouldn't we rather blame the trend in society which > idealises the pre-pubescent and teenage female body as > the ultimate in sexual allurement? > > I don't like Brittany Spears, but she's only using > that commodity to sell her music, and she's not the > only one. If we didn't buy the > magazines/videos/CDs/clothes etc where this kind of > sex-kitten look is used to sell them things might > change....sex sells, but we buy.... ' Let me rephrase this then....anyone who uses the line "Hit me baby one more time" in a song aimed at then pre-pubescent teen market has a lot to answer for. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 06:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30373 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:59:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MB16OX004239; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MB15627678; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MAiN624016 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-203.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.203]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FE381DB for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:44:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D64C085.4020708@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Need help with Americandress from 1850 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:44:21 +0200 Status: RO Hi, I am invited to a country and western wedding and I was wondering if a 1850 Amarican dress would be appropriate. Normally I make 15th to 16th century dresses, and this would be an intresting experience. But I don't know much of this period. I made a design wich you can see here: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/1850.html Would this be the right look? What kind of chemise would have been worn with this dress? And what kind of pleats should I use for the skirt to attach to the body? It doesn't have to be perfectly period but I would like to now. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 06:59:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30385 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:59:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MB1POX004251; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:01:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MB1O627759; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:01:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MAk3624377 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLIHB7HXC009D7F@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:46:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLIH883OE008BHN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:45:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:44:15 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:43:46 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:43:44 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fighting in skirts (WAS: cross dressing soldiers) In-reply-to: <20020820074903.18252.68611.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53B63753E18@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:43:44 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >) women can and did fight in skirts and > > Again I didn't say you CAN'T fight in skirt but you are better in male > type costume One of the girls in the Far Isles used to fight in a full renaissance dress (and beat most of the mqle fighters too!). It was quite something seeing her step out onto the field with helm and armguards over her flowing gown and beat the snot out of the macho type men. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 07:33:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31810 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:33:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MBZBOX005035; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:35:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MBZ9605506; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MBJR602087 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLJMRPX34008ZHD@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:19:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLJMOH0YM008BHN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:19:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:17:40 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:16:59 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:16:51 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] button, buton, who's got the buttons? In-reply-to: <20020821005302.7233.90458.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53BF1316BF1@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:16:51 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > IIRC, Teddy used a method I told him about, which is simpler than > the one in the London book and ends up looking just the same. I > can't vouch that it's period, but it's really straightforward, and > I don't think it's out of the question as being a legitimate > hypothesis. Hmmm... Robin's right - I should have checked the details in the book before responding to this thread instead of relying on my known-to-be-faulty memory. > Perhaps Teddy can locate and forward my earlier post for more > detail. I can't locate the original description of the method (the system here eats e-mails every so often and I lose any i haven't gotten around to saving a backup of elsewhere)... Poots. > In brief, it involves cutting a circle (or even a square!) of > fabric, stitching a circle with a running stitch, pulling the > circle tight with the fabric edges or corners caught to the > *inside* as stuffing, and then taking additional stitches to close > up the back. Use the rest of the thread to attach to the garment. > > This requires no extra stuffing, because it's all one piece of > fabric. You do need to experiment to find out exactly how large to > make your original piece and how large to make your circle so you > always get the same size of button. Once you figure out what works, > you can cut all the pieces at the same time. You might find > something circular to draw around so your stitching circle is > always the same size. I measured with my thumb.... the stitched circle goes around the outline of my tumb holding the piece of cloth (completeing the circle as I turn the cloth to continue stitching on the part that is under my thumb when I start.. if that makes sense to anyone but me) I made far more buttons than I needed for the garment (I got fast at doing them on the train on my work commute) so now have a little box of "spares" in case I lose any. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 07:48:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA32296 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:47:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MBnnOX005460; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:49:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MBnm608635; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:49:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MBRY603769 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:27:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-106-25.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.106.25]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AKB57223; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:27:22 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000c01c249d0$24cf8440$196a4ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fighting in skirts (WAS: cross dressing soldiers) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:36:22 +0100 Status: RO >One of the girls in the Far Isles used to fight in a full renaissance dress (and beat most of the mqle fighters too!). I still believe she would have been better yet in male costume. No women I've asked (or man for that matter) believes that they would fight better in female kit, they think it would disadvantage them. BUT they still could fight & some would still woop arse :) Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 07:48:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA32321 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:48:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MBoDOX005480; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MBoC608791; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:50:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MBY1605223 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 271B91E22D8; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:33:58 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fighting in skirts (WAS: cross dressing soldiers) From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020822113358.271B91E22D8@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:33:58 BST Status: RO Teddy wrote : > One of the girls in the Far Isles used to fight in a full renaissance > dress (and beat most of the mqle fighters too!). It was quite > something seeing her step out onto the field with helm and > armguards over her flowing gown and beat the snot out of the > macho type men. Somewhere I have a photo of this. Breastplate over flowing silk dress. And she won that tourney, too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 09:19:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01584 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:19:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDL3OX008751; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDL1603925; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MCxU627311 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.105] (pm4-105.eos.net [205.133.149.105]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10381 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:59:28 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020822033621.8731.43048.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: little girls' clothes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:58:36 -0400 Status: RO Margo is right, the clothes for little girls in all the stores are a child molester's dream. It is so hard to find anything that doesn't have see-through lace (!!), spaghetti straps, etc. I was at a J.C. Penney (large, middle class, non-discount department store) the other day and heard a mother of a teenager refuse to buy her a shirt because it would make her "look like a slut." I wanted to cheer her on! I have an EIGHT-year-old and I face the same problem, which is truly ridiculous. But lots of adults seem to think it's cute that their little girls look like sexpots. I hope no one ever wants to recreate THESE clothes as historic costume!!! As for Britney Spears (who is like a successful example of where Michael Jackson's surgeries went wrong), I do think she has a lot to answer for. Sure she's exploiting tastes and trends to make a fortune -- but just because you CAN do something doesn't mean that you SHOULD. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 09:31:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01798 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:31:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDX2OX009442; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDX1607771; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06ps.bigpond.com (mta06ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.138]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDDd601763 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:13:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.84]) by mta06ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H18Y2J00.5WM for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:13:31 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.20 ([203.54.114.20]) by psmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 110/9935136); 22 Aug 2002 23:13:27 Message-ID: <3D65D400.F13F31CC@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... References: <20020822023409.59209.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:19:45 -0700 Status: RO Bella wrote: > Shouldn't we rather blame the trend in society which > idealises the pre-pubescent and teenage female body as > the ultimate in sexual allurement? > Well that too. But that was around way before hipster pants were fashionable (well most recently anyway), and will be with us for a while yet....and unfortunately the times when women shaped like me were regarded as sex goddesses have tended to be periods like the fifties and I think I'd rather have Brittany Spears than live in the fifties... > > I don't like Brittany Spears, but she's only using > that commodity to sell her music, and she's not the > only one. If we didn't buy the > magazines/videos/CDs/clothes etc where this kind of > sex-kitten look is used to sell them things might > change....sex sells, but we buy.... > I don't buy....not when I was a teenager and not now. I've never really been into popular culture, except possibly for a couple of years in the first half of the eighties. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 09:31:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01812 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:31:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDXLOX009467; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDXL607920; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta04ps.bigpond.com (mta04ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDGf602622 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:16:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.84]) by mta04ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta04ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H18Y7L00.35M for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:16:33 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.20 ([203.54.114.20]) by psmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 110/9937889); 22 Aug 2002 23:16:29 Message-ID: <3D65D4B7.32D857F4@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Uniforms, was Re: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets References: <55.2c27fdbf.2a9578f3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:22:47 -0700 Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/21/2002 3:23:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes: > > > >> > How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. >> >> ????????????? >> I do hope you didn't mean what it sounded like? > > Be not alarmed. It was just a smarty pants [a pun] comment expressing > my distaste for the uniform as a tool to reduce....well, anything. > > As an exercise in discipline, it is probably useful and may be helpful > at building character. And what is it Calvin says about building character? I think the most useful aspect of uniform is identification ie Oh look there's a policeman or That person's on my side etc Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 09:31:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01823 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:31:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDXZOX009493; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDXZ608010; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:33:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06ps.bigpond.com (mta06ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.138]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDLv604256 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:21:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.84]) by mta06ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H18YG800.0H5 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:21:44 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.20 ([203.54.114.20]) by psmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 110/9942626); 22 Aug 2002 23:21:39 Message-ID: <3D65D5EE.545F6BBD@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers References: <07f801c24771$756931a0$a4784ed5@melaniew> <3D626183.6871C168@bigpond.com> <01bb01c2480c$8a4e7440$be794ed5@pavilion> <3D650C77.C296C88C@bigpond.com> <031301c249a4$dc287ba0$b16e4ed5@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:27:58 -0700 Status: RO Melanie Wilson wrote: > >Hmmm...point taken. I wonder how much of it is also just a desire for > differentiation > between the sexes > > Possible, another mini theory I have is that it is the wee factor, without > toilets skirts are far more dignified to squat in :) > I was going to say 'what about blokes' but I always forget they don't need to squat. Sorry, it's late, I'm tired, and I have a headache - makes me a bit surreal. > > >for the dressing up or the watching (though the latter seems a bit odd for > a > doctor). > > I believe at the time (but it isn't my period) that women were still > attended in childbirth & it was mostly a woman thing & doctors did other > stuff, si it should reasonably logical. > Yes but it was not uncommon (or so I understand) for doctors to be called if there was a problem that required surgical intervention (insofar as they did that back then). Only doctors were allowed to do surgery. > > There was some swordmaster who dressed as a womon. > Where and when? And why? (Aside from the obvious reasons) Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 09:32:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01827 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:32:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDXqOX009523; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:33:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDXp608110; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDGj602648 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:16:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLNQ5XODS0085RT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:16:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLNQ3IZ4S008TT6@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:16:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:14:57 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:14:33 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:14:31 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. Bay City Rollers (WAS: Buffy) In-reply-to: <20020821152347.26078.89019.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53DE6D039BF@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:14:31 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > To keep this costume related, when I was twelve, I did indeed have > the obligatory tartan scarf, though I drew the line at the short > pants. I even had the slippers! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 09:41:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02019 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:41:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDh8OX010093; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:43:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDh7611510; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:43:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDY1608167 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLOCGBEXS008QZZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:33:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLOC3OH9S008UHS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:33:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:31:56 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:31:22 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:31:16 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross In-reply-to: <20020821152347.26078.89019.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53E2E973C35@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:31:16 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Isn't that the point, though...to enforce/encourage conformity of > behaviors, etc....Heck, we've even got schools over here that make > kids wear uniforms (and not just private ones, AFAIK). --sue (one > week and counting....woo-hooo!) Yes, and it's *awful*.... OIver here, Sue, school uniforms are the norm rather than the exception. Some schools have stricter and more restrictive rules about choice within the uniform too. They trot out all sorts of phrases satying it makes things more equal, prevents the richer or more spoiled kids form putting down the poorer ones by wearing the latest styles to school which the poorer kids can't afford etc - but it's all rubbish. The rick kids in new uniforms and the poor ones in handmedowns from older siblings and cousins or second hand ones *still* know who each other are. As far as I'm converned, any form of uniform (unless it's *safgety equipment for a job that requires it or provided by the company to prevent employees own garments from being ruined by the work they do... excpetions to every rule don't you know) is unnecessary. I realize it's not a universlly held view (as is my one that dress- codes are pretty much unnecessary - I'd far rather deal with someone , for example in a bank, wearing t-shirt and shorts if that's their own choice of clothes than with someone forced into a suit and tie because that's what is required of them by some sort of imposed "corporate image" ideal) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 09:44:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02092 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:44:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDkHOX010310; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDkG612634; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:46:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDNX604774 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:23:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLNWHYPTS009EFF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:23:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLNW8YUJI008WJR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:21:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:19:55 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:19:49 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:19:45 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers In-reply-to: <20020821152347.26078.89019.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53DFD58131D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:19:45 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >Hey Mel, You know what I look like and I've been mistaken for a > woman when I'm *not* made-up or dressed as one (I took Jared on > a steam railway outing the other week and was mistaken for his > mother by a family at the trackside picnic area when we stopped > for lunch) > > But as I said in the post Teddy replied to I'm interested in what > women do about their face to make it look male. Jaw size problems > spring to mind. As I've also said I might be completly wrong & > there are loads of Women , I think are men, but are so good I've > not noticed ! But, Mel, If I (being male) can look female without even trying.... and there are any number of men out there who don't have specifically "male" facial features (jaw size etc) - surely that make it *easier* for women to pass as male - they just have to pass as a male who looks a little on the femenine side facially. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 09:44:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02102 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:44:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDkbOX010359; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:46:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDka612759; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:46:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05ps.bigpond.com (mta05ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDOu605210 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.84]) by mta05ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta05ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H18YIV00.1P0 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:23:19 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.20 ([203.54.114.20]) by psmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 110/9944116); 22 Aug 2002 23:23:15 Message-ID: <3D65D64D.E6583822@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... References: <20020822023409.59209.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com> <085e01c249c6$a159e2d0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:29:33 -0700 Status: RO Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > > change....sex sells, but we buy.... > > ' > Let me rephrase this then....anyone who uses the line "Hit me baby one more > time" in a song aimed at then pre-pubescent teen market has a lot to answer > for. > Oh good, so I'm not the only person who was disturbed by that.... Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 09:56:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02344 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:56:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDwBOX010983; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:58:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDwA617337; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailexchange.dcls.org (mail.dcls.org [63.161.200.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDdm610294 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:39:49 -0600 (MDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <03345EFBE0450444B9E4E288E219D54011CCEE@mailexchange.dcls.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1229 - 15 msgs Thread-Index: AcJJVqWAuU5Yt1zbTE2ekmjYNMjdjQAh0kjQ From: "Mary M. Spila" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7MDdm610294 Subject: [h-cost] Question about a Source Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:40:16 -0400 Status: RO Hi, I am back after a year or so of life and other indignities. I have a photocopy of a section of the book "Mediaeval Costume and Life" by Dorothy Hartley. I am wondering if anyone else has seen this book, or the multi-volume work she wrote with Margaret Elliot titled "Life and Work of the People of England", covering from the 11th - 18th centuries. Both titles appear to have been published in the early 1900's. Does anyone have an opinion about the books or the author? The section of "MCaL" that I have deals with the construction of a full circle skirt dress. The directions for cutting and sewing seem correct for the medieval period; there is almost no waste of fabric as the dress uses full widths of fabric in panels, and any cut pieces of fabric are used for the sleeves and gussets. I have two dresses made from this pattern and they work wonderfully. Thanks for any insight you can give me. Mary S. ********************************************************* Mary M. Spila Reference Librarian East Shore Area Public Library Dauphin County Library System Phone: 717-652-9380; ext. 120 Fax: 717-652-5012 WWW.DCLS.ORG _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 09:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02354 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:56:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDwXOX011019; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDwW617474; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:58:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDgq611410 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:42:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLONIUQ4W007Q7R@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:42:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLONCCZGW008UHS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:42:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:40:58 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:40:48 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:40:42 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes In-reply-to: <20020821180009.10076.43566.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53E56D45185@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:40:42 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Not to do down the quality of the shoes made by Sarah Juniper (I > > have examined/handled them if not actually worn any and they look > > superb quality) but *IN MY PERSONAL OPINION* I think her mens shoes > > always look too "clunky" compared to the depictions in period > > paintings and illustrations. > > Uhm.... Teddy, you sure you have seen all of hers? Admittedly we > don't do 18th century, but the high heeled ones she made for ben > are anything BUT clunky, I'd even call them quite dainty. hehehe. > (nothing on Ben evokes the word dainty *G*) Only the ones she had on her stall.... but I tried speaking to her about it and her reponse was "that's what they were like" so I didn't push it. She did say, however, that she could make them differnt for me if I wanted it (but implied they would be incorrect if she did that). I'd love to see the ones she made for Ben. What I really need to look for, however, is Elizabethan ones that don't look like some clunky servant's shoe copied in fancier materials. One of the things I find attractive about depictions of mens clothes in various periods - particluarly depictions of more monied men - is that, in addition to the clothing styles being more attrative and interesting than modern mens clothes, the *shoes* are finer and unlike the clunky modern mens ones too... but at re-enactments and period shoe suppliers stalls I see the modern ideal of mens shoes being heavier and clunkier than the womens wones regardless of the period. Dainty, I would *love* to see. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 10:08:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02571 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:08:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ME9sOX011736; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ME9r622100; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:09:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDlV613169 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:47:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-118-92.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.118.92]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJV18103; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:45:43 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <006601c249e3$4deee1a0$5c764ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:53:29 +0100 Status: RO >Where and when? And why? (Aside from the obvious reasons) I believe he was a transvestite. Where & When I need to ask my other half I can't remeber ! Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 10:08:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02575 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:08:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEANOX011798; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEAN622356; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MDrW615465 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.9.) id 6.f7.2028f903 (4254) for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:53:13 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: > Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross dressingsoldiers) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f7.2028f903.2a9646c9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:53:13 EDT Status: RO --part1_f7.2028f903.2a9646c9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2002 9:15:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lee@retro.com writes: > (ie, first mention of "Hitler" or "Nazis" ends > the usefulness of the thread) > Actually, this thread [under a different heading] has become interesting. --part1_f7.2028f903.2a9646c9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2002 9:15:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lee@retro.com writes:


(ie, first mention of "Hitler" or "Nazis" ends
the usefulness of the thread)


Actually, this thread [under a different heading] has become interesting.
--part1_f7.2028f903.2a9646c9_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 10:17:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02737 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:17:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEJ9OX012691; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEJ8626994; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:19:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ME9K621902 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:09:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLPK8V9DC0073AH@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:09:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLPJJ4DBO009F0R@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:08:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:07:13 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:07:03 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:07:02 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT;Results of dye help In-reply-to: <20020821205641.22294.96236.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53EC6D503B6@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:07:02 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > To all on the List especially Teddy,many thanks for you help with > my 'ruined' angarkha and all the advice you gave out! Despite 17 > yards of various fabrics incorporated in the garment and the whole > being hand sewn - its drying as I write after its second immersion > of dye and I'm thrilled to bits! Yayaaaay! Glad to be of help! > It took 4 boxes of Dylon Cherry Red and 2 boxes of Scarlet to get > the 'right' colour in the end.Yep and it soaked it all up like a > spong.The easiest dye experience I could've ever wished for.I'm > hooked - stripped the colour from a tablecloth thats headed for > floor cushions and dyed it last night and am looking around my > stash and wondering what I can dye for future use! < : >>> Yay!... > Teddy,I'm going to the A&S University in November if I'm well > enough. Am doing the varak-ka-kaam technique with 23.5ct gold to > exhibit and plan to do a lecture on Hindu draped men's wear vs sewn > Mughal Court garb. Yay! I might finally get to meet you then! > Also looks as if I'll be able to make the Far Isles 'do' in > September wasn't it? Yep, September 13th-15th, Kemsing Youth Hostel. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 10:20:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02808 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:20:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEMOOX012981; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:22:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEMO628516; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:22:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7ME2B619085 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020822140211.7583.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:02:11 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <53E56D45185@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:02:11 +0100 (BST) Status: RO > Only the ones she had on her stall.... but I tried speaking to her > about it and her reponse was "that's what they were like" so I didn't > push it. She did say, however, that she could make them differnt > for me if I wanted it (but implied they would be incorrect if she did > that). Uhm, okay, that's not a good attitude, that's a bit of a snotty one. Sorry for that, she never did that with me. > I'd love to see the ones she made for Ben. Yep, and you shall, at the latest in November. Cheerio Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 10:21:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02817 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:21:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEMlOX013025; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEMk628707; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:22:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ME0N618267 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.74.21c0c408 (4254) for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:59:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <74.21c0c408.2a96485b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_74.21c0c408.2a96485b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:59:55 EDT Status: RO --part1_74.21c0c408.2a96485b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2002 9:33:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Lady_Angharad@bigpond.com writes: > Shouldn't we rather blame the trend in society which > > idealises the pre-pubescent and teenage female body as > > the ultimate in sexual allurement? > > > Well, a young, healthy female just gettting to the age where she's fertile will always be alluring to [straight] males. This "trend" has been going on for maybe 3000,000 years now......or longer. --part1_74.21c0c408.2a96485b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2002 9:33:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Lady_Angharad@bigpond.com writes:


Shouldn't we rather blame the trend in society which
> idealises the pre-pubescent and teenage female body as
> the ultimate in sexual allurement?
>


Well, a young, healthy female just gettting to the age where she's fertile will always be alluring to [straight] males. This "trend" has been going on for maybe 3000,000 years now......or longer.
--part1_74.21c0c408.2a96485b_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 10:21:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02829 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:21:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEN6OX013087; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:23:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEN6628917; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:23:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ME1i618893 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:01:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLPAYLE8G009SKY@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLPAUX9OU008WJR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:59:56 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:58:57 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:58:48 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Uniforms In-reply-to: <20020821193554.2866.42072.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53EA44D27D5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:58:47 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > and it's neither intrusive nor illegal nor immoral, why not? Actually, I find the imposition of wearing uniforms *very*, *very* intrusive. I also feel it encourages an ideal/attitude of less tollerence because it implies that only those choosing and imposing the uniform are right and anyone who disagrees with it/doesn't like it is in the wrong. If they want to dress *themselves* that way - they are free to do so, they shouldn't try to impose that ideal (of certain types clothing being accepable and any other being unacceptable) onto others. > Certainly, we should be teaching tolerance, but even more, we > should be *living* tolerance and acceptance--as nations, as > peoples, as families, as individuals. There, you are absolutley right and I agree wholeheartedly - which is opartly why I'm *against* the concept of unifroms And, for the record, I went to state schools with uniforms all through my school years (and hated the idea of them as much then as I stil do now) and *still* got picked on and bullied for the way I dressed (and I have missing teeth to prove it). Having uniforms made not a jot of difference to that. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 10:34:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03094 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:34:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEZaOX014165; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEZX605142; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:35:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEJE627033 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:19:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-118-92.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.118.92]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJV30055; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:16:43 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <007b01c249e7$a2a52480$5c764ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:23:13 +0100 Status: RO >But, Mel, If I (being male) can look female without even trying.... and there are any number of men out there who don't have specifically "male" facial features (jaw size etc) - surely that make it *easier* for women to pass as male - they just have to pass as a male who looks a little on the femenine side facially. Yes that is correct, but as I've said previously I don't think many of the men doing re-enactment are physically as in shape as those fighting in times past would have been, so in many way I don't think, undermusculed, overweight middle aged chaps are historically correct either. I'm not getting into a discussion on degree of how male females can look or vice versa. as there are always exceptions. But in general I don't think women look like men. But is REALLY dosen't matter because I see not reason why they shouldn't fight in this day & age(heavens Teddy you know I fight), I only disagree with justifying it by incorrect interpretations of history. And I was simply asking how they made themselves more male looking facially. (eg I might chose to add a beard) Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 10:45:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03313 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:45:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MElHOX014946; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:47:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MElG610954; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEPY600322 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:25:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLQ5FH3UO008W5L@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:25:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLQ5AGBGW009F0R@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:25:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:23:41 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:22:46 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:22:38 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms In-reply-to: <20020822001633.3731.63358.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53F09F454CD@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:22:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > --- Linda Walton wrote: > > There was one rule which continues to puzzle me to this day: we > were not to wear clothes coloured black or red. Does anyone have > any ideas why these were forbidden ? The uniform at my first school was red and black. The boys ties were striped. The jumpers (sweaters to americans) were red and the shorts were black (charcoal and grey were also acceptable) the shirts were white or blue for winter (under the sweater) red for summer (without the sweater) the girls had the smae colours for their skirts, jumpers and blouses (no tie) for winter and horrible red pinafores with red and white gingham puff- sleeve boulses for summer... which ould have been quite nice, compared to the winter uniforms and other schools stuff, if that's what they really were. In fact they were an all-in one dress made out of crimplene that was meant (but failed) to *look* like the aforementined pinafore ad blouse combination. The mother of a friend of mine made her a set of dresses tot he same pattern using red cotton and cotton gingham for one summer - she was sent home from school for not being in the correct uniform and had to suffer the next few days in the winter uniform until her parents had time to get to the uniform supplier and buy her the official crimplene version. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 10:46:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03331 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:46:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MElqOX015038; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:47:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MElp611347; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEVG602922 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:31:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLQCC79WW009W8L@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:31:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLQC6X1VG006K0R@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:30:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:29:15 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:29:09 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:29:08 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Man's overcoat In-reply-to: <20020822001633.3731.63358.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53F252C54F6@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:29:08 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Well now I feel slightly embarrassed. I had considered the 'fastening > the underflap' option and dismissed it because there were only two > small buttons and three large button holes for fasteniong the coat. > However yesterday I noticed that there are in fact three small > buttons. My excuse it that on the left inside which is the one I > normally look at, one of the small buttons has been replaced by a > large one the same as the outside buttons and I had always assumed it > was a spare. Yesterday I saw there are three small buttons on the > right inside. Their position corresponds almost exactly to the large > outer buttons, but they are only sewn to the lining not all the way > through, so I think they are for fastening the inside flap. Too bad, I > was hoping it was something really interesting and bizarre. It might also be that the current big buttons on the outside were replacements for the originals (perhaps some came off and were lost, and none that matched could be found so all of them were replaced) and whoever replaced them didn't knwo to sew through all layers and into the smaller buttons inside to re-enfoce them... and they piut one of the big buttons on the inside instead of the small ones in order to be there as a spare should it be needed OK. So that's stretching it a bit, but it's possible. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 10:58:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03510 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:58:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MF05OX015929; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:00:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MF02617837; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEa7605414 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:36:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.113.162840e2 (1320) for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:35:55 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <113.162840e2.2a9650ca@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_113.162840e2.2a9650ca_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Subject: [h-cost] Help Needed on early 1900's Clothing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:35:54 EDT Status: RO --part1_113.162840e2.2a9650ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A good friend is getting married in October and has asked her guests to attend in vintage-style clothing from 1880's to 1920's. I have found two Simplicity patterns (# 9686 for my husband and #9699 for myself) from the Costumes on Stage collection. I'm planning on doing the ones that are oriented towards "My Fair Lady" (as opposed to "The Music Man"). My questions are 1) if anyone has worked with these costumes, what recommendations do they have? 2) good sites for inspiration/information for clothing of the early 1900's. I generally do medieval and Renaissance, so this is under my radar. Thanks, Nancy --part1_113.162840e2.2a9650ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A good friend is getting married in October and has asked her guests to attend in vintage-style clothing from 1880's to 1920's.  I have found two Simplicity patterns (# 9686 for my husband and #9699 for myself) from the Costumes on Stage collection.  I'm planning on doing the ones that are oriented towards "My Fair Lady" (as opposed to "The Music Man").  My questions are

1) if anyone has worked with these costumes, what recommendations do they have?

2) good sites for inspiration/information for clothing of the early 1900's.  I generally do medieval and Renaissance, so this is under my radar.

Thanks,

Nancy
--part1_113.162840e2.2a9650ca_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 10:59:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03537 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:59:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MF0bOX015989; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:00:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MF0b618229; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:00:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEdG607010 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:39:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLQMGHAF40087VQ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:39:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLQM71N6U009F0R@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:39:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:37:19 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:34:13 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:34:03 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms In-reply-to: <20020822001633.3731.63358.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53F3ACB53AC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:34:03 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Primary school > For boys > Summer - plain white polo shirt, or shirt with school crest, grey > shorts, grey socks, black shoes Sounds as awful as any I had to wear. poor kids, being made to wear that. Just the idea of forcing all of those individuals to dress bland and alike - how oppressive. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 11:11:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03765 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFD8OX017033; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MFD6625129; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:13:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MF06617907 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:00:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLRCAF4Z4009W8L@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:00:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLRC8TG7S006K0R@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:00:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:58:19 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:57:24 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:57:20 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes In-reply-to: <20020822143533.29425.14487.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53F9DB32ACD@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:57:20 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Only the ones she had on her stall.... but I tried speaking to her > > about it and her reponse was "that's what they were like" so I > > didn't push it. > > She did say, however, that she could make them differnt for me if I > > wanted it (but implied they would be incorrect if she did that). > > Uhm, okay, that's not a good attitude, that's a bit of a snotty one. > Sorry for that, she never did that with me. She was actually perfectly *polite* about it. She seemed friendly enough, but made it abundantly clear that she disagreed with me. > > I'd love to see the ones she made for Ben. > > Yep, and you shall, at the latest in November. Goody! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 11:11:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03773 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFDZOX017079; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:13:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MFDZ625369; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:13:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEnA612011 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:49:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLQYPZG3K007Q7R@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:49:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLQYL70FY008UHS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:49:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:47:18 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:46:56 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:46:53 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fighting in skirts In-reply-to: <20020822132101.779.38013.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53F711078AB@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:46:52 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >One of the girls in the Far Isles used to fight in a full renaissance > dress (and beat most of the mqle fighters too!). > > I still believe she would have been better yet in male costume. No > women I've asked (or man for that matter) believes that they would > fight better in female kit, they think it would disadvantage them. > BUT they still could fight & some would still woop arse :) She has a thing about showing her legs (I don't think she owns a narrow skirt or one shorter than knee length and I don't recall ever seeing her in trousers) and has solved the problem as far as battle- re-enactment is concerned by fighting (as a man) with a 15th century group where she can wear a calf-length houpellande on the field (possibly a full length one at times) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 11:12:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03780 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:12:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFDnOX017107; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:13:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MFDn625533; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:13:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEoN612709 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLR042XZ4001B5P@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:50:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLQZUQDVY006K0R@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:50:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:48:20 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:47:46 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:47:42 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fighting in skirts In-reply-to: <20020822132101.779.38013.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53F74940BC9@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:47:42 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > One of the girls in the Far Isles used to fight in a full > > renaissance dress (and beat most of the mqle fighters too!). It was > > quite something seeing her step out onto the field with helm and > > armguards over her flowing gown and beat the snot out of the macho > > type men. > > Somewhere I have a photo of this. Breastplate over flowing silk dress. > And she won that tourney, too. One for the website, perhaps? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 11:12:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03787 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:12:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFECOX017172; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MFEC625821; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEra614318 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:53:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g7MErRY6032078 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208221453.g7MErRY6032078@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help with washing fabric To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Sharon Nevin" at Aug 22, 2002 08:21:19 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO organza gets softer with washing -- i wash mine that i use for underlining washable garments. i usually wash it on delicate in my front-loading washer, and let it air dry. or tumble dry low. it ravels a lot, so be prepared to finish the edges before washing. if you don't have to wash it, though, don't -- it gets very WIGGLY and off grain when washed, usually, and it's a pain to get it back again. .heather. > > At the risk of making people jealous: ) I brought 10 metres of a lovely > green silk organza simply because it was au$1.49 a metre. Now the question > is how do I wash it. Of the course the tag says dry clean only. What > happens if I wash it by hand? How does they texture change? > > I'd ask for suggestions on how to use it but I have a strong suspicion that > it would involve people saying that they would use it > > Sharon Nevin > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 11:12:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03800 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:12:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFEPOX017196; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MFEP625940; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MEs9614649 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:54:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLR4XC87K008W5L@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:54:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLR4T4CKU009F0R@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:54:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:52:19 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:51:55 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:51:48 +0000 From: Teddy In-reply-to: <20020822143533.29425.14487.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53F864816FC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Re: Uniforms, Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:51:48 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > As an exercise in discipline, it is probably useful and may be > > helpful at building character. > > And what is it Calvin says about building character? Calvin (dressed as his father and speaking to his father: "Calvin, go do something you hate! Being miserable builds character!" I used to have that cartoon pinned up above my desk in the library. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 11:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03910 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:23:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFNCOX017950; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MFNB601154; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7MFBN624103 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:11:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020822151123.62831.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:11:23 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] German Ren (Landsknechte) dress pattern? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:11:23 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I'd love to make (long-term project....) a landsknechte type dress, a la cranach et all, but it isn't supposed to be super authentic, i want it to look good, be doable, and be used for costume events possible, and far isles. *waves to king guy* Could anyone recommend a pattern for such a dress? I am totally useless at pattern making and would have to use some pattern as a basic at least. Thanks ever so much for any recommendations. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 11:24:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03914 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:24:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFQaOX018210; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:26:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MFQZ603005; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:26:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MF35619687 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:03:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLLRG1TTUO009W8L@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:03:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLLRG0AFZ8006K0R@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:03:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:01:21 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:00:37 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.49) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:00:30 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers In-reply-to: <20020822143533.29425.14487.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <53FAB7311D6@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:00:29 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I only disagree with justifying it by incorrect interpretations of > history. Absolutely with you there. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 11:25:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03921 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:25:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFQpOX018239; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:26:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MFQp603196; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:26:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MF4o620629 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA09809.; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:06:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:04:43 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about a Source Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7MF4o620629 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:04:27 +0100 Status: RO Mary Spila wrote: Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> I have a photocopy of a section of the book "Mediaeval Costume and Life" by Dorothy Hartley. I am wondering if anyone else has seen this book, or the multi-volume work she wrote with Margaret Elliot titled "Life and Work of the People of England", covering from the 11th - 18th centuries. Both titles appear to have been published in the early 1900's. Does anyone have an opinion about the books or the author? Haven't read either of those books, but I have a copy of her "Food in England" (first published 1954), which is excellent . It was commended in a TV programme last night by the respected cookery writer Delia Smith. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 11:37:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03983 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:37:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFdYOX019199; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:39:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MFdU610591; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:39:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from indiego.ntw.net (IDENT:root@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MFLJ629973 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:21:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.124.3.156] (p44.3c03.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.156]) by indiego.ntw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14971 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:20:04 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] It Works!!! From: sylvia To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a501c249bc$d53e3ba0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:10:48 -0600 Status: RO on 8/22/02 3:18 AM, Penny Ladnier at penny@costumegallery.com wrote: > So here it is... http://www.costumegallery.com/1910/Men/Suits/guidelines.htm > I am so thrilled to have this menswear catalog... it was another one of my > bidding wars I got into on eBay. Men's catalogs are so hard to find. This > online catalog will contain when complete online, 30 men's suit and coat > illustrations, 8 vests, and 2 trousers, and 10 stitch designs for suit > cuffs. There is also a measurement table on the appropriate length for all > the coats by a person's height. A handy thing for theater people. It is a > treasure!!! We should have the entire catalog online soon... we are > finishing the final layout. > >This looks like a great reference and I really appreciate all your efforts putting it up on your website. One question--was this printed in America or England? Sylvia Rognstad -- Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 11:38:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03989 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:38:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFe8OX019263; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MFe8610999; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MFPm602537 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:25:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA10995.; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:27:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:25:47 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7MFPm602537 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:25:31 +0100 Status: RO Personally I have no problem with school uniforms; my only complaint was that our summer dresses were always behind the fashion. We were still wearing ones with a fitted waist in the 60s when the "A-line" was universal; eventually they changed the design, only to have fitted waists come back into fashion a few years later! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 12:27:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04640 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:27:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGQqOX023259; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:26:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MGQn609070; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:26:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MG5T625998 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:05:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p253.directcon.net [209.233.107.253]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g7MG59c4009814; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:05:10 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020822090917.01241ba0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes In-Reply-To: <53E56D45185@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <20020821180009.10076.43566.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:09:17 -0700 Status: RO > >What I really need to look for, however, is Elizabethan ones that >don't look like some clunky servant's shoe copied in fancier >materials. YES!! I simply don't understand why no one makes them. Here in the US< we have 130+ Renn Fiares, plus all the late period SCA enthusiasts. I can personally attest that there are enough people interested in Elizasbethan costume to have bought hundreds of patterns. There's an entire MAGAZINE for Rennaisance enthusiasts, for heaven's sake. And not ONE craftsman makes an authentic upperclass woman's shoe! I complained to one shoemaker about this , and she assured me that she did too make them, and that I should go look at the shoes she had made for the Queen at the Renn Faire we were attending. What I saw were more or less American Indian style moccasins, adapted to a latchet shoe shape, with a sole made of conveyer belt rubber, and the uppers made out of a thick, pebbly textured leather, elk I believe, in bright purple. Yuck! Okay, end of rant. I've heard that in Mexico, there are shoemakers who will make anything to order. Has anyone tried this route for period shoes? My brother in law is Mexican, and would help with the language and bargaining. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 12:48:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05241 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:48:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGoOOX025058; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:50:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MGoM623613; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:50:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MGY4613613 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [113.105.42.14] (ool-4353599f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.89.159]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.9 (built Jul 29 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H19000JG7CJZM@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:33:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Krecker-Schkred Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20020822090917.01241ba0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: rhianwen@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20020821180009.10076.43566.Mailman@net.indra.com> <3.0.6.32.20020822090917.01241ba0@pop.directcon.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:33:59 -0400 Status: RO Just to clarify, what would a upper class Elizabethan woman's shoe look like? The Mexican craftsman route is a good one. a friend of mine runs Chivalry Sports and Mexico is where many of her stitchers are located. As far as I know, they do a fine job at a lo price. Rhianwen At 9:09 AM -0700 8/22/02, Margo Anderson wrote: >> >>What I really need to look for, however, is Elizabethan ones that >>don't look like some clunky servant's shoe copied in fancier >>materials. > >YES!! I simply don't understand why no one makes them. Here in the US< we >have 130+ Renn Fiares, plus all the late period SCA enthusiasts. I can >personally attest that there are enough people interested in Elizasbethan >costume to have bought hundreds of patterns. There's an entire MAGAZINE >for Rennaisance enthusiasts, for heaven's sake. And not ONE craftsman >makes an authentic upperclass woman's shoe! > >I complained to one shoemaker about this , and she assured me that she did >too make them, and that I should go look at the shoes she had made for the >Queen at the Renn Faire we were attending. What I saw were more or less >American Indian style moccasins, adapted to a latchet shoe shape, with a >sole made of conveyer belt rubber, and the uppers made out of a thick, >pebbly textured leather, elk I believe, in bright purple. Yuck! > >Okay, end of rant. I've heard that in Mexico, there are shoemakers who >will make anything to order. Has anyone tried this route for period shoes? > My brother in law is Mexican, and would help with the language and >bargaining. > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" > > >See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 12:48:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05248 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:48:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGoXOX025075; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:50:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MGoX623788; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:50:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f33.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MGa0614868 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:35:55 -0700 Received: from 65.67.61.82 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:35:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.67.61.82] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: OT: Men and Midwifery (was:Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 16:35:55.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC718E60:01C249F9] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:35:54 +0000 Status: RO I happened across a book several years ago (and only unearthed it recently, so haven't yet read it) called When Midwifery became the Male Physician's Province: The Sixteenth Century Handbook The Rose Garden for Pregnant Women and Midwives by Eucharius Rosslin; translated by Wendy Arons. (There's an umlaut over the o in Rosslin) According to the Library of Congress info in the front of the book, Rosslin died in 1526. ISBN for those interested is: 0-89950-934-7 Mary/Katerine >Melanie Wilson wrote: > >Kate Bunting >Library, University of Derby > > >>> I believe at the time (but it isn't my period) that women were still >attended in childbirth & it was mostly a woman thing & doctors did other >stuff, si it should reasonably logical. > >Yes, that's right. The "man-midwife" was a new specialism, I think in the >early 18th century. Before that, men were expected to keep well clear when >a child was being born. > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 12:57:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05489 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:57:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGxAOX025793; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MGx9629250; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from s890.widexs.nl (s890.widexs.nl [212.204.254.94]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MGig620031 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by s890.widexs.nl (Postfix, from userid 99) id C28D11C296; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:49:26 +0200 (MEST) From: Chiara To: h-costume@indra.com References: In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Host: [199.91.36.254] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: XS2Mail/0.4 (http://www.xs2mail.com/) Message-Id: <20020822164926.C28D11C296@s890.widexs.nl> Subject: [h-cost] White cotton stockings Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:49:26 -0000 Status: RO I have a special request to fill and I need to know where I can find in the Dallas Fort Worth area white cotton stockings and silk stockings of all colors. I have been here in the area for over 7 years and I still cannot figure out where the heck the shops for this kind of special stuff is. Wal-mart of all places carry nylon and spandex stockings but not silk or cotton. Thanks Ches _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 13:09:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05817 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:09:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHBDOX026721; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MHB9606942; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f267.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.142]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MH2f601918 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:02:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:02:35 -0700 Received: from 65.67.61.82 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:02:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.67.61.82] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help with Americandress from 1850 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 17:02:35.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[B69D7080:01C249FD] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:02:35 +0000 Status: RO Unfortunately, if they're using "Country Western" the way it's commonly used here in the US, no. That dress wouldn't really be appropriate. I did a quick search on google.com under "Country Western Clothing" and got some of these links: http://www.bootnscoot.com/item.jhtml?UCIDs=672363%7C1050597&PRID=1012044 http://www.marlin-westernwear.co.uk/ladies.htm Usually, here, it's more synonymous with "Old West". Can you ask for more detail on the wedding theme? Mary/Katerine >Hi, > >I am invited to a country and western wedding and I was wondering if a 1850 >Amarican dress would be appropriate. > >Normally I make 15th to 16th century dresses, and this would be an >intresting experience. >But I don't know much of this period. >I made a design wich you can see here: >http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/1850.html > >Would this be the right look? >What kind of chemise would have been worn with this dress? >And what kind of pleats should I use for the skirt to attach to the body? >It doesn't have to be perfectly period but I would like to now. > >Greetings, > Deredere > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 13:24:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06271 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:24:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHPoOX027970; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:25:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MHPm616538; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:25:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MH4F602893 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g7MH46mG033530 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:04:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208221704.g7MH46mG033530@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] White cotton stockings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020822164926.C28D11C296@s890.widexs.nl> from "Chiara" at Aug 22, 2002 04:49:26 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO for cotton I'd order from Alteryears -- or just look online, if you want tights, for Hue brand cotton tights. for silk I'd try secretsinlace.com -- they have a good selection. .heather. > > I have a special request to fill and I need to know where I can find in the Dallas Fort Worth area white cotton stockings and silk stockings of all colors. > > I have been here in the area for over 7 years and I still cannot figure out where the heck the shops for this kind of special stuff is. > > Wal-mart of all places carry nylon and spandex stockings but not silk or cotton. > > Thanks > Ches > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 13:24:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06281 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:24:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHQ7OX028009; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MHQ6616779; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:26:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MH5F603443 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17hvOS-0000JS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:05:12 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross... X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:05:12 -0400 Status: RO I was going to point that out, also, but sometimes it's nicer to just hide my inner-anthropologist and let people vent. ;) Of course, there's a difference between Britney Spears, who is, in fact, a young *woman*, and an 8 year old who is, in fact, a young *girl* trying to dress like her. That's where I have a problem. Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com > > > In a message dated 8/22/2002 9:33:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Lady_Angharad@bigpond.com writes: > > > > Shouldn't we rather blame the trend in society which > > > idealises the pre-pubescent and teenage female body as > > > the ultimate in sexual allurement? > > > > > > > Well, a young, healthy female just gettting to the age where she's fertile > will always be alluring to [straight] males. This "trend" has been going on > for maybe 3000,000 years now......or longer. > > -- Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com "Absence of evidence, isn't necessarily evidence of absence." -Carl Sagan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 13:47:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07093 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:47:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHl7OX029653; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MHl6629784; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:47:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MHZO622643 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:35:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17hvre-0000Gw-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:35:22 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Country-Western, was [h-cost] Need help with Americandress from 1850 X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:35:22 -0400 Status: RO Oh, and since I had to go and mention the Crystal Palace, here's a link to their museum which has photos of several Nudie Suits: http://www.buckowens.com/museum-suits1.html Hehehehehe. "What sort of music do you play?" "Oh, we've got both kinds! (pause) Country *and* western!" Sarah, revelling in my down-home roots http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 13:48:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07125 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:48:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHo7OX029882; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:50:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MHo6601690; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:50:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MHTP618839 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17hvlr-0007qc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:29:23 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help with Americandress from 1850 X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:29:23 -0400 Status: RO Yeah, that's what I was wondering, too. As far as I know, "County- Western Clothing" is more appropriate for anything made by Nudie Cohen during the 1940's-70's for any of the major country acts at that time (Buck Owens, Rose Maddox, Gram Parsons, Emmie Lou Harris, etc.) My beloved is a *huge* fan of Nudie and pesters me on a daily basis to give up Elizabethan and make him a couple of Nudie-inspired suits. After visiting Buck Owens' "Crystal Palace" in Bakersfield, I was almost convinced. Nudie was definately an artist. Anyone who finds themselves stuck in Bakersfield, CA (usually known up in these parts as "Bakersfield? Why the hell would anyone want to go *there*??") should definately take a tour... There are several Nudie suits on display and they are *amazing*. The silver dollar encrusted Cadillac with six-shooter door handles that is perched over the bar (supposedly made for Elvis by Nudie) is certainly a tribute to the over-the-top style of the Country-Western musical herritage. Good food and music there, too. Buck plays on Wednseday evenings. :) For more on Nudie: http://www.slipcue.com/music/country/webbsite/webbpinup_1.html (I swear, it's not a porn site. ) Sarah, whose other love is country music believe it or not. http://www.elizabethanlady.com > Unfortunately, if they're using "Country Western" the way it's commonly used > here in the US, no. That dress wouldn't really be appropriate. I did a quick > search on google.com under "Country Western Clothing" and got some of these > links: > > http://www.bootnscoot.com/item.jhtml?UCIDs=672363% 7C1050597&PRID=1012044 > > http://www.marlin-westernwear.co.uk/ladies.htm > > Usually, here, it's more synonymous with "Old West". Can you ask for more > detail on the wedding theme? > > Mary/Katerine > > >Hi, > > > >I am invited to a country and western wedding and I was wondering if a 1850 > >Amarican dress would be appropriate. > > > >Normally I make 15th to 16th century dresses, and this would be an > >intresting experience. > >But I don't know much of this period. > >I made a design wich you can see here: > >http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/1850.html > > > >Would this be the right look? > >What kind of chemise would have been worn with this dress? > >And what kind of pleats should I use for the skirt to attach to the body? > >It doesn't have to be perfectly period but I would like to now. > > > >Greetings, > > Deredere > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com "Absence of evidence, isn't necessarily evidence of absence." -Carl Sagan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 13:48:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07129 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:48:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHoDOX029901; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MHoD601757; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from s890.widexs.nl (s890.widexs.nl [212.204.254.94]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MHWZ620804 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:32:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by s890.widexs.nl (Postfix, from userid 99) id BF5811C0AC; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:39:16 +0200 (MEST) From: Chiara To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] White cotton stockings References: <200208221704.g7MH46mG033530@jabberwock.wonderland.com> In-reply-to: <200208221704.g7MH46mG033530@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Host: [199.91.36.254] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: XS2Mail/0.4 (http://www.xs2mail.com/) Message-Id: <20020822173916.BF5811C0AC@s890.widexs.nl> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:39:16 -0000 Status: RO That's great but I need them, now, like today. 'Sides, shipping is horrible on small items like these! :( Ches On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:04:06 -0700 (PDT), Heather Meadows wrote: >for cotton I'd order from Alteryears -- or just look online, if you want tights, for >Hue brand cotton tights. > >for silk I'd try secretsinlace.com -- they have a good selection. > >.heather. > > >> >> I have a special request to fill and I need to know where I can find in the Dallas Fort Worth area white cotton stockings and silk stockings of all colors. >> >> I have been here in the area for over 7 years and I still cannot figure out where the heck the shops for this kind of special stuff is. >> >> Wal-mart of all places carry nylon and spandex stockings but not silk or cotton. >> >> Thanks >> Ches >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 13:48:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07141 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:48:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHoMOX029924; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:50:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MHoL601863; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:50:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20207.mail.yahoo.com (web20207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7MHcO624531 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:38:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020822173823.38418.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:38:23 PDT From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020821201546.93417.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-535815302-1030037903=:38158" Subject: [h-cost] Re: uniforms not being costume? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: angela@ivyharp.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --0-535815302-1030037903=:38158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Why back down, Nicole? I too disagreed with the comment that "uniforms don't have anything to do with costume." What is the fundamental difference between the example that does seem acceptable, adult men's army uniforms, and children's school uniforms? It seems to me that what people dress in - whether dictated by some rule-making board (as with uniforms), public attitudes (most street-wear), or truly only by the individual's tastes (likely outcasts for not acknowledging public attitudes), or somewhere it between - is all costume. The question of whether it is appropriate to discuss *contemporary* costume *on this list* is an entirely separate one from the question of whether certain items of clothing qualify as costume. Let's at least complain for the right reasons! :) -Angela N Kipar wrote:--- Sue Clemenger wrote: > I think she's referring to school uniforms (given the context). > --sue Anyway, I understand the uniform comment now, that does make sense if it is school uniforms, but.. are 1970s UK school uniforms not classifiable as histprical costumes as well? *grins* Nah, I know what you mean, thanks. Nicole --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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Why back down, Nicole?  I too disagreed with the comment that "uniforms don't have anything to do with costume."  What is the fundamental difference between the example that does seem acceptable, adult men's army uniforms, and children's school uniforms?  It seems to me that what people dress in - whether dictated by some rule-making board (as with uniforms), public attitudes (most street-wear), or truly only by the individual's tastes (likely outcasts for not acknowledging public attitudes), or somewhere it between - is all costume.  The question of whether it is appropriate to discuss *contemporary* costume *on this list* is an entirely separate one from the question of whether certain items of clothing qualify as costume.  Let's at least complain for the right reasons! :)

-Angela

 

 N Kipar wrote:

--- Sue Clemenger wrote: > I think she's referring to
school uniforms (given the context).
> --sue


Anyway, I understand the uniform comment now, that does make sense if it is
school uniforms, but.. are 1970s UK school uniforms not classifiable as
histprical costumes as well? *grins*
Nah, I know what you mean, thanks.

Nicole



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I just started using a new Yahoo account about the time they switched to a new format.  They've got me set up to default to composing messages in HTML, and I can't figure out how to turn it off - I've searched through "Options" and can't find the switch.  Can anyone help me figure out how to turn off HTML?

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HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-1970249811-1030038237=:84592-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 14:12:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08086 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:12:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MIE8OX001919; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MIE4616469; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MHpk602755 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:51:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.9.) id 6.9c.24d6a061 (4214) for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:51:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.24d6a061.2a967ea7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] White cotton stockings To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9c.24d6a061.2a967ea7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 563 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:51:35 EDT Status: RO --part1_9c.24d6a061.2a967ea7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only place I know of where you reliably get silk stockings is the WinterSilks catalogue (also on-line). They are knee-highs, really, so they have stay-up tops, but I think they work fairly well. They also have pantyhose in a more limited range of colors. I have also seen Toz brand cotton-blend and silk knee highs at L'Eggs outlet stores, but they do not seem to have them anymore. Of course, you can order repro cotton stockings from vendors like Jas. Townsend and Smoke and Fire, too. Ann Wass --part1_9c.24d6a061.2a967ea7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only place I know of where you reliably get silk stockings is the WinterSilks catalogue (also on-line).  They are knee-highs, really, so they have stay-up tops, but I think they work fairly well.  They also have pantyhose in a more limited range of colors.  I have also seen Toz brand cotton-blend and silk knee highs at L'Eggs outlet stores, but they do not seem to have them anymore.  Of course, you can order repro cotton stockings from vendors like Jas. Townsend and Smoke and Fire, too.
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--part1_9c.24d6a061.2a967ea7_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 14:12:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08096 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:12:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MIEPOX001964; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MIEP616693; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MHrY603843 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [113.105.42.14] (ool-4353599f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.89.159]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.9 (built Jul 29 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H19009R0B0SLM@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Krecker-Schkred Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help with Americandress from 1850 In-reply-to: X-Sender: rhianwen@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:20 -0400 Status: RO I'm a bit of an expert on the old West. And I agree with Mary/Katerine in asking for the more detail. There was a lot of variation in clothing then as now due in no small part to the extreme heat and the relentless sun. In the summer, temperatures can get to be 110F in the shade in the middle of the day, and still in the 90s F for the night time. If you can, ask what the wedding dress looks like. Or what is the bridal party wearing. At least a bit of information to go on. The dress you had on the web page is a very formal dress and quite pretty but not commonly seen in the West. Those who traveled to the Old West brought only necessities. That dress would be very rare. It might be out for a celebration like say July 4th (Independence Day). And depending on the wedding theme, it might work. The pictures on the web pages that Deredere posted are more modern casual. They are what modern folks wear to go to a Western bar, a C & W concert or to the rodeo. Now a-days both men and women wear the western shirt whereas in the past, only men wore the western shirt. Women would only if they were in need of very sturdy work clothes. If it is a authentic wedding theme, you might wear your best clothing, this would be a calico print dress made of cotton, with a pleated or gathered skirt, long sleeves and high neck with an apron. You would put your hair up in a bun with a small hat or bonnet depending on what you had packed for the trip out. The West in 1850 was still very new and the only way there was by wagon. Due to the small amount of cargo space, they only packed the necessities. Once the rail roads came through there was eventually greater trade and the women had more fabric to choose from. But still, not much silk, satin, etc. it was thought of as presumptuous. Your wedding may be doing this style. They may also be doing a more authentic Western style, but are just as valid but different. That's why I suggest talking with the wedding party and seeing what style they may be doing. Rhianwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 14:25:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08520 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:25:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MIR9OX002939; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MIR7624031; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:27:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7MI32609384 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020822180301.89393.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:03:01 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: uniforms not being costume? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020822173823.38418.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:03:01 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Angela Kovatch wrote: > > Why back down, Nicole? Uhm? Angela? I don't understand? back down where? I just realised that I misunderstood her. She didn't mean 'historical uniforms' but school uniforms and I was miffed because I spent weeks making a 1700 Officer's uniform and someone said that it it didn't have to do with historical costuming? Eh? She didn't say that though. *S* Sooo.. I thought I'd say publicly that I misunderstood and she agreed she didn't mean what I meant. That's the trouble with emails! It is sooo easy to misunderstand each other. I actually think that your point of view is the same (as all of ours) the difference being between a school uniform of now and a school uniform of the 19th c. that the latter one is HISTORICAL costume and the current one isn't. Cheerio Nicole - who doesn't even know how 'backing down' works. hehehe. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 14:26:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08530 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:26:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MIRYOX002991; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:27:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MIRX624330; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MI7L612487 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:07:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g7MI7C7I033965 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:07:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208221807.g7MI7C7I033965@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] White cotton stockings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020822173916.BF5811C0AC@s890.widexs.nl> from "Chiara" at Aug 22, 2002 05:39:16 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Well then, I'd try google. Not sure what you need the cotton stockings for, but Macy's and Nordstroms and most other large department stores carry Hue tights. They're about 98% cotton and if you need them to be thigh high you can simply cut them in a rush situation like this. Also, try searching eBay for auctions ending today or that have Buy it Now (or just ones where the seller seems to have lots of stock) that are in your area. Contact the seller to see if you can pick them up in person. Also, call adult stores/stripper supply, or dance supply stores. .heather. > > That's great but I need them, now, like today. 'Sides, shipping is horrible on small items like these! :( > > Ches > > > On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:04:06 -0700 (PDT), Heather Meadows wrote: > >for cotton I'd order from Alteryears -- or just look online, if you want tights, for > >Hue brand cotton tights. > > > >for silk I'd try secretsinlace.com -- they have a good selection. > > > >.heather. > > > > > >> > >> I have a special request to fill and I need to know where I can find in the Dallas Fort Worth area white cotton stockings and silk stockings of all colors. > >> > >> I have been here in the area for over 7 years and I still cannot figure out where the heck the shops for this kind of special stuff is. > >> > >> Wal-mart of all places carry nylon and spandex stockings but not silk or cotton. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Ches > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > Chiara > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 14:37:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08864 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:37:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MId1OX003818; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MIcw601067; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MIPG622984 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:25:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.9.) id 6.16c.12905b99 (30970) for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:25:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <16c.12905b99.2a968684@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] White cotton stockings To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16c.12905b99.2a968684_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 563 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:25:08 EDT Status: RO --part1_16c.12905b99.2a968684_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You MIGHT find silk stockings at some racy lingerie store in your red-light district, but I doubt it. As to cotton, do you have a L'Eggs outlet? Worth a try for the Toz brand I mentioned, but they really seem to have cut back their stock in these parts. And I just remembered, it is possible that a store that carries the really fancy Swiss cotton underwear, by Hanro, I believe? might have cotton stockings, too. How about N-M? I agree that mail order can be expensive--I order my stockings 6 pairs at a time to consolidate the shipping. Ann Wass --part1_16c.12905b99.2a968684_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You MIGHT find silk stockings at some racy lingerie store in your red-light district, but I doubt it.  As to cotton, do you have a L'Eggs outlet?  Worth a try for the Toz brand I mentioned, but they really seem to have cut back their stock in these parts. 

And I just remembered, it is possible that a store that carries the really fancy Swiss cotton underwear, by Hanro, I believe? might have cotton stockings, too.  How about N-M?

I agree that mail order can be expensive--I order my stockings 6 pairs at a time to consolidate the shipping.

Ann Wass
--part1_16c.12905b99.2a968684_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 14:49:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09239 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:49:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MIpEOX004723; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:51:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MIpC608304; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:51:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MIUo626099 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:30:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F77120B45 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C877E20B03 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <09cd01c24a09$fc78c710$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <53DE6D039BF@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. Bay City Rollers (WAS: Buffy) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:29:52 -0400 Status: RO Ewww...Teddy, you had it bad! My cousin had papered her entire bedroom with posters, even in the ceiling---I was allowed several, but my dad would have had a fit if I had done that! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. Bay City Rollers (WAS: Buffy) > > > To keep this costume related, when I was twelve, I did indeed have > > the obligatory tartan scarf, though I drew the line at the short > > pants. > > I even had the slippers! > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 15:13:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09913 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:13:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MJF3OX006391; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:15:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MJF1621808; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MIr6609527 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip149.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.149]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7MIr2V17222 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:53:02 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers Message-ID: <3D64D2F8.27604.58CE8A1@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:03:04 -0700 Status: RO > >>> I believe at the time (but it isn't my period) that women were > >>> still > attended in childbirth & it was mostly a woman thing & doctors did > other stuff, si it should reasonably logical. > > Yes, that's right. The "man-midwife" was a new specialism, I think in > the early 18th century. Before that, men were expected to keep well > clear when a child was being born. It started before that, and it was the beginning of a new era of a problem not as common amongst female midwives: an increase in childbed fever leading to death of mother and child. You see, the men tended to go from things like an autopsy to delivering a baby without washing their hands first. (Women, even pre-Lister, tended to wash their hands more often and they weren't allowed to do autopsies or surgery.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 15:38:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10583 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:38:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MJeFOX008441; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:40:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MJeC607329; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:40:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tyler.snap.net.nz (tyler.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MJMX626409 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:22:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p203-97-31-38.snap.net.nz ([203.97.31.38] helo=beowulf.verso.org) by tyler.snap.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 ) id 17hxXF-000178-00 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:22:26 +1200 Received: from [192.168.255.20] (helo=lilith) by beowulf.verso.org with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 17hxkd-0007Bu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:36:15 +1200 From: "Jennifer Geard" Organization: Verso.org To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about a Source Priority: normal In-reply-to: <03345EFBE0450444B9E4E288E219D54011CCEE@mailexchange.dcls.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7MJMX626409 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: geard@verso.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:23:34 +1200 Status: RO Hi Mary, > I have a photocopy of a section of the book "Mediaeval Costume and > Life" by Dorothy Hartley. I am wondering if anyone else has seen > this book, or the multi-volume work she wrote with Margaret Elliot > titled "Life and Work of the People of England", covering from the > 11th - 18th centuries. Both titles appear to have been published > in the early 1900's. Does anyone have an opinion about the books > or the author? > The section of "MCaL" that I have deals with the construction of a > full circle skirt dress. The directions for cutting and sewing > seem correct for the medieval period; there is almost no waste of > fabric as the dress uses full widths of fabric in panels, and any > cut pieces of fabric are used for the sleeves and gussets. I have > two dresses made from this pattern and they work wonderfully. I seem to have had mixed reactions to the book: 83 Hartley, Dorothy. Mediaeval Costume and Life: A Review of their Social Aspects Arranged Under Various Classes and Workers with Instructions for Making Numerous Types of Dress. London: Batsford, 1931. xiv, 142, [32] pages. Index: 141-142. ISBN: none. B&W illustrations: photographs of manuscripts and original artworks from named sources, line drawings of suggested ways of making costumes, photographs of models wearing the costumes made from the patterns in the line drawings. Colour frontispiece of two manuscript illuminations. Covers Western Europe from the Crusaders to Bosworth Field (c.1100-1500). Worth a look, although it should be used with care. After a chapter on materials and their treatment there are 24 chapters interspersing the clothing of various estates of society (“Royalty”, “Musicians”, “Artisans”) with chapters on types of clothing (“Hose and Breeches”, “Concerning Hoods”). Part of the movement towards researching and recreating the cut of clothing, this mentions the importance of loom widths and the draping characteristics of fabrics, and takes its inspiration from primary sources. Unfortunately there was still a lot to be learned about figuring out the pattern which would historically have been used for each garment (there still is, if truth be told), and a number–perhaps the majority–of Hartley’s clear and attractive patterns are inauthentic. This makes the work selectively useful: the full-skirted dress, although an inventive use of fabric, should probably be avoided, however the suggestions for constructing hose are as useful as you’ll find in any other costume book. Particularly noteworthy is the apparent lack of body linen under the recreated robes, and the tendency of the models to show bare forearms and even elbows. The primary illustrations, although small and grainy, are interesting, being gathered by “occupation”. Tends to blur four centuries into a “generic medieval”. Although not explicitly for the theatre, this seems to be where it would be most useful. Fascinating as a test of “vision”, especially where the original and the recreation are side-by-side. [SURVEYS; THEATRE; PATTERNS – MODERN] I hope the formatting doesn't go too strange with the copying to email. Cheers, Jennifer ========================================================== Jennifer Geard Wellington, New Zealand _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 15:50:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10915 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:50:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MJqBOX009381; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MJqA614671; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:52:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MJce606271 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:38:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.107] (pm4-107.eos.net [205.133.149.107]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06075 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:38:35 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020822180017.7484.40464.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: country-western wedding Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:37:41 -0400 Status: RO mary wrote: > Unfortunately, if they're using "Country Western" the way it's commonly used > here in the US, no. That dress wouldn't really be appropriate. I did a quick > search on google.com under "Country Western Clothing" and got some of these > links: > > http://www.bootnscoot.com/item.jhtml?UCIDs=672363%7C1050597&PRID=1012044 > > http://www.marlin-westernwear.co.uk/ladies.htm > > Usually, here, it's more synonymous with "Old West". Can you ask for more > detail on the wedding theme? > > Mary/Katerine I agree, if it's in the U.S. style that would mean longish skirts with ruffles, cowboy-type shirts, cowboy boots and hats, etc. Nothing historic. But those web sites are hilarious! The Marlin Westernwear one is a scream. Everything all bunched together -- nice things that people here might actually wear right with cheap school play-style costumes and that strange thing called a "crinoline dress," which seems to be a bridesmaid's dress from the 1970s. Oh, and that "ribbon trim skirt" that seems to be an interpretation of traditional Mexican dance costume. I guess that's what you get from another country's interpretation of your things! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 15:51:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10935 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:51:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MJqtOX009497; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:52:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MJqt615189; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:52:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmsoutbound.mx.net (cmsrelay04.mx.net [165.212.11.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7MJZS604300 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:35:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uadvg132.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.132) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 19:35:23 -0000 Received: from uadvg137.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.16] by uadvg132.cms.usa.net via mtad (CM.0402.2.02C) with ESMTP id 902gHVThV0656M32; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:33:23 GMT Message-ID: <20020822193522.27027.qmail@uadvg137.cms.usa.net> Received: from 206.163.135.19 [206.163.135.19] by uwdvg016.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer CM.0402.1.07D); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:35:22 -0000 From: Shea Young To: Subject: Re: [[h-cost] Need help with Americandress from 1850] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (CM.0402.1.07D) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7MJZS604300 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:35:22 -0700 Status: RO Hi Deredere, Last year we received such an invite. The couple and several of the guests are reenactors of the American Fur Trading period (1790-1840). But they wanted a country western wedding and this was interpreted in several different ways. Family and non-reenactors wore modern western shirts, boots and cowboy hats. New blue jeans and ruffled dresses. Okay, there were a few "rhinestone cowboys"! Those of us that wore historical recreations, choose clothing from the 1870-80s - the actual twenty year span of cowboying culture. Check out http://members.tripod.com/shootingstarent/earlybustle.html This is Marna Jean Davis' site. She recently joined the list and teaches classes at Penny's site. She does wild west reenacting and would be a wonderful person to contact for more information. Here are a few more site to look at: http://www.buckaroobobbins.com/page23.html http://www.shsw.wisc.edu/patterns/1874gown.html Maybe your lovely design could be altered? For your undergarment question: Folkwear has an Edwardian one-piece that would work well. Good luckwiht your quest, Shea Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > Hi, > > I am invited to a country and western wedding and I was wondering if a > 1850 Amarican dress would be appropriate. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 16:23:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11779 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:23:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MKPBOX012091; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:25:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MKP9604222; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:25:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (smtp.netins.net [167.142.225.203]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MKAJ625436 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:10:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [167.142.18.29] (HELO hppav) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 117389856 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:10:19 -0500 Message-ID: <030e01c24a17$4c5901c0$1d128ea7@hppav> From: "Land of Oz" To: References: <20020822193522.27027.qmail@uadvg137.cms.usa.net> Subject: Re: [[h-cost] Need help with Americandress from 1850] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:05:43 -0500 Status: RO > 1870-80s - the actual twenty year span of cowboying culture. > I think the last 5 or 6 generations of cowboys would beg to differ with that statement. Denise landofoz@netins.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 16:50:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12594 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:50:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MKq7OX014312; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:52:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MKq6619383; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:52:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MKdI612097 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:39:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id ACC222150276; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:42:42 -0500 Message-ID: <006601c24a1b$f5159540$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] It Works!!! X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:39:05 -0400 Status: RO Sylvia, It was printed in Chicago. I have to tell you, I was thrilled to see this information in this catalog. It tell you exactly what to put on. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 17:03:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12986 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:03:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ML1FOX015127; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ML1D624529; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MKnu618140 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17hytv-000JEh-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:49:55 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party References: <20020818035019.28010.64525.Mailman@net.indra.com> <522AB8A6D00@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <522AB8A6D00@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:42:41 +0100 Status: RO Teddy wrote > > >> "Sausage-side"....from Blackadder Goes Forth.. > >Ah... I lost interest in Blackadder after the third series. > >> Anyway, sorry I had you on tenterhooks..there'll be some photos of >> myself, baby and DD after mid September on the GAS Co site..so >> you'll be able to pick me out at ten paces next time. ;-) > >OK. > >> Anyway, how many of us are going to the Traders' Fair in Nov..we >> could always meet up there? > >It's in Warwick a week after the one-day costume event (also in >Warwick) so it's unlikely I'll go back for the second time in >consecutive weekends (besides, I just heard of an SCA University >in Scotland that weekend that I'd quite like to attend if I can - - Jean, >will you be at that? > >Teddy Erm - November's far too far away for me to think about yet! This weekend is our last Conquest show, then I flip over the calendar and start thinking about the "off" season. I've never been to Kingdom University yet, and since it's in Glasgow I'll probably try... let you know nearer the time. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 17:06:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13078 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:06:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ML4GOX015386; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:04:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ML4F626148; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:04:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MKks616461 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:46:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.9.) id 6.b6.10842da2 (4246) for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:46:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help with Americandress from 1850 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b6.10842da2.2a96a799_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:46:17 EDT Status: RO --part1_b6.10842da2.2a96a799_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2002 1:50:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sarah@elizabethanlady.com writes: > I am invited to a country and western wedding and I was wondering if > a 1850 > > >Amarican dress would be appropriate. > If you're Dolly Parton, maybe. Actually C&W wear can be a scream and a holler and lots of fun. Think Dale Evans. --part1_b6.10842da2.2a96a799_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2002 1:50:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sarah@elizabethanlady.com writes:


I am invited to a country and western wedding and I was wondering if
a 1850
> >Amarican dress would be appropriate.


If you're Dolly Parton, maybe.

Actually C&W wear can be a scream and a holler and lots of fun. Think Dale Evans.
--part1_b6.10842da2.2a96a799_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 17:30:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13773 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:30:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MLSDOX017312; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MLSC609720; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:28:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.boston.juno.com (m28.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7MLCw601357 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:12:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWoT38LghsxmWT/oB0IP66lobBVOt2XgxYg=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id HAUKYJKL; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:11:54 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes Message-ID: <20020822.171138.-437195.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:58:23 -0400 Status: RO Don't suppose you would like to let us know what size shoe you wear, oh blue eyed one? Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 17:42:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14013 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:42:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MLdxOX018249; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:39:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MLdw616626; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:39:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MLJA604794 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:19:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17hzMB-0001Oi-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:19:07 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help with Americandress from 1850 X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:19:07 -0400 Status: RO I didn't write that... That was from the original post. My response was along the same lines as your's. ;) Sarah > > > In a message dated 8/22/2002 1:50:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > sarah@elizabethanlady.com writes: > > > > I am invited to a country and western wedding and I was wondering if > > a 1850 > > > >Amarican dress would be appropriate. > > > > If you're Dolly Parton, maybe. > > Actually C&W wear can be a scream and a holler and lots of fun. Think Dale > Evans. > > -- Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com "Absence of evidence, isn't necessarily evidence of absence." -Carl Sagan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 18:16:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14994 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:16:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MMEqOX021101; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:14:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MMEp605885; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7MLqK623416 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCgHE4/MsaNB5psZS48Ix7TlPajmQNwd7wQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id HAUM8V5Z; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:51:26 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes Message-ID: <20020822.164704.-522775.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-17 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:47:04 -0500 Status: RO Well if you want to know Teddy's shoe size, it's about a Man's size 8 or a Lady's size 10.....and you can guess how I know that...... Karen On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:58:23 -0400 Lalah T Tillinghast writes: > Don't suppose you would like to let us know what size shoe > you wear, oh blue eyed one? > > Lalah > Never give up, Never surrender > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 18:17:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15007 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:17:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MMFCOX021134; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MMFB606101; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:15:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7MLqK623417 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCgHE4/MsaNB5psZS48Ix7TlPajmQNwd7wQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id HAUM8V5Z; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:51:26 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes Message-ID: <20020822.164704.-522775.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-17 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:47:04 -0500 Status: RO Well if you want to know Teddy's shoe size, it's about a Man's size 8 or a Lady's size 10.....and you can guess how I know that...... Karen On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:58:23 -0400 Lalah T Tillinghast writes: > Don't suppose you would like to let us know what size shoe > you wear, oh blue eyed one? > > Lalah > Never give up, Never surrender > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 18:17:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15011 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:17:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MMFIOX021154; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MMFI606158; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from indiego.ntw.net (IDENT:root@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MLqY623554 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:52:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.124.3.139] (p27.3c03.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.139]) by indiego.ntw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01744 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:51:32 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] It Works!!! From: sylvia To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006601c24a1b$f5159540$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:42:02 -0600 Status: RO on 8/22/02 2:39 PM, Penny Ladnier at penny@costumegallery.com wrote: > Sylvia, > > It was printed in Chicago. I have to tell you, I was thrilled to see this > information in this catalog. It tell you exactly what to put on. > As a theatrical costumer, it's good to know where it came from. I can't wait to see it all! Sylvia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 18:52:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15973 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:52:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MMmsOX023878; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:48:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MMmq623674; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:48:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MMXA615552 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1900BP9NZ9I5@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:33:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] White cotton stockings In-reply-to: <9c.24d6a061.2a967ea7@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020822153102.00c62de0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:32:38 -0700 Status: RO >Of course, you can order repro cotton stockings from vendors like Jas. >Townsend and Smoke and Fire, too. >Ann Wass Alter Years caries cotton stockings, in black, white, or beige. I'd hate to recommend wearing actual antique stockings, like from e-bay, because they wear out so fast. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 19:15:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16711 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:15:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MNDAOX025436; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:13:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MND8604934; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7MMvq627963 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:57:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-105-91.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.105.91]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AKC35142; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:57:36 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <04b901c24a2f$bdc94dc0$b16e4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "LIST H costume" References: <006901c249e3$5df16460$5c764ed5@melaniew> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:00:12 +0100 Status: RO Name of Knight was Ulrich von Lichtenstein a famous 13th century knight ( I think) who fought successfully in lots of tournaments, In one he fought dressed as Venus Goddes of Love. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 21:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25436 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:29:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N1R6OX002149; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N1R5620278; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N1F8616717 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.251]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020823011503.TXGV13899.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:15:03 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020822201826.028c6070@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drea's pics from the V&A In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:19:25 -0500 Status: RO Yes. Unfortunately it is a modern reproduction which was added during conservation. IIRC, they weren't sure what the original lace looked liked. Cheers, Danielle (who also took lots of pictures of the smocks) At 03:48 PM 8/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Anyone else recognize the black bobbin lace on the smock from Le Pompe? >My copy is at home but I think I've worked this one. > >Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 21:29:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25499 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:29:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N1RPOX002173; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:27:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N1RP620391; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:27:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20203.mail.yahoo.com (web20203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.58]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7N1Ia617860 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:18:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823011836.25856.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.12] by web20203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:18:36 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <085e01c249c6$a159e2d0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:18:36 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > Let me rephrase this then....anyone who uses the > line "Hit me baby one more > time" in a song aimed at then pre-pubescent teen > market has a lot to answer > for. > > Dianne Couldn't agree more! Even though there is a double meaning there, the likelyhood that everyone will pick up on it, especially kids, is low.... But we still can't blame her entirely...songwriters write the songs and the record companies bind her in contract....unless she chose to do what Prince did and thus become "the artist formerly known as Brittany Spears".... :) I'm going to get off this topic now...too "down" and OT... :) Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 21:53:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29405 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:53:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N1pMOX003007; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:51:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N1pL627352; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N1gJ624735 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:42:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.137]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g7N1gO014275 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:42:24 +1000 Message-ID: <00cc01c24a46$5a3fec20$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <53F3ACB53AC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:39:55 +1000 Status: RO > > Just the idea of forcing all of those individuals to dress bland and > alike - how oppressive. > > > Teddy Bland and alike? Never. Owen wears baggy grey corduroy surf shorts and elastic sided black boots (blundstone style) as a part of his uniform - so do a few others. It's not a problem, because it's not dictated what style of black shoe or grey shorts one must wear :-) Many of the boys have started dying their hair (Owen got his spiked last week because he wanted to) - why not? But Owen's never been the type to 'put his trousers on one let at a time, like everybody else' - he puts his on both legs at a time - always has! Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 22:05:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31295 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:05:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N23COX003479; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:03:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N23A600830; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:03:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20210.mail.yahoo.com (web20210.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7N1jl625676 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:45:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823014547.23612.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.12] by web20210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:45:47 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Ren (Landsknechte) dress pattern? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020822151123.62831.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:45:47 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > I'd love to make (long-term project....) a > landsknechte type dress, a la > cranach et all, but it isn't supposed to be super > authentic, i want it to look > good, be doable, and be used for costume events > possible, and far isles. *waves > to king guy* > Could anyone recommend a pattern for such a dress? I > am totally useless at > pattern making and would have to use some pattern as > a basic at least. > > Thanks ever so much for any recommendations. > > Nicole Hi Nicole, Period Patterns has a set of ladies German "Puff 'n' Slash" gowns in one package (#46). I haven't tried this pattern, so I'm not sure how good the instructions etc are, but the pics look good: http://www.sewingcentral.com/PP46.JPG Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 22:43:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32098 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:43:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N2f9OX005221; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N2f8612060; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N2R8607808 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.9.) id 6.38.2ce9cdc2 (17526) for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:26:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <38.2ce9cdc2.2a96f770@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross ... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_38.2ce9cdc2.2a96f770_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:26:56 EDT Status: RO --part1_38.2ce9cdc2.2a96f770_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2002 9:28:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au writes: > "the artist formerly known as Brittany > Spears".... :) > Do you get the feeling the word "artist" is used way too much? --part1_38.2ce9cdc2.2a96f770_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2002 9:28:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au writes:


"the artist formerly known as Brittany
Spears".... :)


Do you get the feeling the word "artist" is used way too much?
--part1_38.2ce9cdc2.2a96f770_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 23:29:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32330 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:29:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N3S2OX007508; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N3S1626146; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hekili.k12.hi.us (hekili.k12.hi.us [165.248.1.200]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N3Ck621541 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:12:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from makani by hekili.k12.hi.us (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0H1A007FF0X48I@hekili.k12.hi.us> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:12:40 -1000 (HST) From: annora Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: !@#$* Yahoo In-reply-to: <20020822174357.84882.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:12:36 -1000 (HST) Status: RO > I just started using a new Yahoo account about the time they switched > to a new format. They've got me set up to default to composing > messages in HTML, and I can't figure out how to turn it off - I've > searched through "Options" and can't find the switch. Can anyone help > me figure out how to turn off HTML? Angela, When you compose your message, right below the message text field there are two check boxes. The one on the right says "Allow HTML tags." If that one is checked, uncheck it. If it's not checked, sorry, I don't know how to turn it off either. I got a yahoo account about the time they changed over too, but mine was set to no HTML. --annora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 22 23:53:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32418 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:53:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N3p8OX008376; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:51:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N3p7602886; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:51:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20203.mail.yahoo.com (web20203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.58]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7N3XI627634 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:33:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823033318.42539.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.232.12] by web20203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:33:18 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: !@#$* Yahoo To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020822174357.84882.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:33:18 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Angela Kovatch wrote: > > I just started using a new Yahoo account about the > time they switched to a new format. They've got me > set up to default to composing messages in HTML, and > I can't figure out how to turn it off - I've > searched through "Options" and can't find the > switch. Can anyone help me figure out how to turn > off HTML? > > Thanks > > -Angela Angela, take any e-mail message, hit the "Reply" button and the message you are replying to appears in a new window - under where it gives you a check box and "Save copy to sent folder" is a link message that reads "switch to plain version". when you click on that it will take you to a plain text window. It will stay this way until you click on the message "Add color and graphics", which is the html window. Hope this helps, Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 00:04:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32458 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:04:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N431OX008871; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N430606445; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20208.mail.yahoo.com (web20208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.63]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7N3jc601377 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:45:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823034537.78760.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.96.182.165] by web20208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:45:37 PDT From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020822180301.89393.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] What is Costume? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: angela@ivyharp.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I. Response to previous back-and-forth: Nicole wrote: "I actually think that your point of view is the same (as all of ours) the difference being between a school uniform of now and a school uniform of the 19th c. that the latter one is HISTORICAL costume and the current one isn't." The problem is that that isn't the point that has been defended - people kept saying that school uniforms period aren't costume, historical or otherwise. To pull key sentences, the discussion as I saw it went something like this: "Uniforms don't have anything to do with costumes." -Joan "Why would uniforms not have anything to do with costumes??? So what is it which I made for Ben?" -Nicole "I think she's referring to school uniforms." -Sue "That does make sense if it is school uniforms." -Nicole "Yes, I did mean school uniforms, certainly not military uniforms!" -Joan I probably sound like a fuddy-duddy for thinking that people should say what they mean, but we all know the sorts of problems that making assumptions can cause. II. What I'm actually talking about: I am interested in costume, historic costume being a subset of that. I have met people (not necessarily on this list) who think that "costume" is special dress, removed from what we (in current culture, specific to the speaker, and current time) would ordinarily wear. By this definition I would still argue that school uniforms are costume, because they are an outfit that has been artificially contrived. There are other people who take the view that "costume" is what actors wear in the theater. But to that I say, that describes dress and grooming selected to communicate something of the wearer's character, which I think also describes what people wear outside the theater. Not always with the same degree of consciousness, of course, but who among us has not rejected an outfit at some time because "that just isn't me"? This would then apply even more strongly to school uniforms - as someone else mentioned, it identifies the student as a student, even when away from the school building. My point is, it's not inconceivable that someone would hold an understanding of "costume" that doesn't include school uniforms (as was in fact stated), but I disagree - at least until they come forward and elaborate on their definition. Does anyone feel like getting philosophical on "what is costume," or possibly "the functions of clothing?" -Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 00:48:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32582 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:48:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N4kAOX010556; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:46:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N4k7618678; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N4bA616280 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway (ppp-208-171-197-108.01.promedia.net [208.171.197.108]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7N4b8O12070 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:37:08 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01c24a5e$b7c18710$0100a8c0@gateway> From: "Joan Broneske" To: References: <20020823034537.78760.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:36:53 -0700 Status: RO Notwithstanding that the word "costume" can mean anything which is worn as clothing, this *is*, or is *supposed* to be a HISTORICAL Costume mailing list; thus, one can assume that by historical, we agree (for the most part) on the dictionary definition: his*tor*i*cal - adj. 1. Of or relating to history. 2. Based on or concerned with events in history. 3. Important or famous in history. his*to*ry - N. 1. A narrative of events; story. 2. A chronological record of events. 3. The branch of knowledge that records and analyzes past events. 4. The events of the past. I realize, of course, that there are those who would debate what the definition of *is*, is, but for the most part, I think this definition describes what this list is about. I'm sure it can be debated as to what dates or how old something has to be, to be considered *historical*. Therefore, a discussion about *Modern* school uniforms, would not necessarily constitute *historical* costume, and I stand by my original statement (I apologize for not being clear when stating the word "uniform" and not excluding military or other historical uniforms). Now, should the discussion concern, say, the evolution of school uniforms, and in the discussion, the physical attributes of today's school uniforms was mentioned in relation to past uniforms, then, by all means, that would be relevant. Not to start a flame war, but I guess what got my goat more so than the fact that it was going "off-topic", was that it was becoming "political". (Please don't lecture me on how "everything" is political, because although I may agree that that is unfortunately true, I don't have to like it in regards to a hobby) Thanks for letting me clarify and vent. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Kovatch" To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 8:45 PM Subject: [h-cost] What is Costume? > I. Response to previous back-and-forth: > Nicole wrote: "I actually think that your point of > view is the same (as all of ours) the difference being > between a school uniform of now and a school uniform > of the 19th c. that the latter one is HISTORICAL > costume and the current one isn't." > > The problem is that that isn't the point that has been > defended - people kept saying that school uniforms > period aren't costume, historical or otherwise. To > pull key sentences, the discussion as I saw it went > something like this: > > "Uniforms don't have anything to do with costumes." > -Joan > "Why would uniforms not have anything to do with > costumes??? So what is it which I made for Ben?" > -Nicole > "I think she's referring to school uniforms." -Sue > "That does make sense if it is school uniforms." > -Nicole > "Yes, I did mean school uniforms, certainly not > military uniforms!" -Joan > > I probably sound like a fuddy-duddy for thinking that > people should say what they mean, but we all know the > sorts of problems that making assumptions can cause. > > > II. What I'm actually talking about: > I am interested in costume, historic costume being a > subset of that. I have met people (not necessarily on > this list) who think that "costume" is special dress, > removed from what we (in current culture, specific to > the speaker, and current time) would ordinarily wear. > By this definition I would still argue that school > uniforms are costume, because they are an outfit that > has been artificially contrived. There are other > people who take the view that "costume" is what actors > wear in the theater. But to that I say, that > describes dress and grooming selected to communicate > something of the wearer's character, which I think > also describes what people wear outside the theater. > Not always with the same degree of consciousness, of > course, but who among us has not rejected an outfit at > some time because "that just isn't me"? This would > then apply even more strongly to school uniforms - as > someone else mentioned, it identifies the student as a > student, even when away from the school building. My > point is, it's not inconceivable that someone would > hold an understanding of "costume" that doesn't > include school uniforms (as was in fact stated), but I > disagree - at least until they come forward and > elaborate on their definition. Does anyone feel like > getting philosophical on "what is costume," or > possibly "the functions of clothing?" > > -Angela > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 01:00:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32622 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:00:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N4wOOX011022; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N4wN622152; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:58:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N4nx619761 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:49:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14042 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:52:03 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? In-Reply-To: <20020823034537.78760.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:52:03 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Angela Kovatch wrote: > The problem is that that isn't the point that has been defended - > people kept saying that school uniforms period aren't costume, > historical or otherwise. To pull key sentences, the discussion as I > saw it went something like this: > > "Uniforms don't have anything to do with costumes." -Joan > "Why would uniforms not have anything to do with > costumes??? So what is it which I made for Ben?" -Nicole > "I think she's referring to school uniforms." -Sue > "That does make sense if it is school uniforms." -Nicole > "Yes, I did mean school uniforms, certainly not > military uniforms!" -Joan Angela, perhaps you missed a post I made at almost precisely the same time Sue made hers. It read, in part: > I think Joan meant modern school uniforms. And she's right. (Which is > why I valiantly but unsuccessfully tried to relate my part of the > discussion to an observation on historic "school clothes" from past > eras. Never mind...) ... Thus, here endeth the discussion on modern > school uniforms, for several good reasons. I think perhaps enough people saw that statement fly by to understand that the "point that was being defended" was in fact the distinction between discussion of *current* school uniforms (and policies in today's schools) and *historic* school uniforms (which would, as several people have observed, be legitimate for this list). I must admit I haven't interpreted anyone's statements so far (much less multiple posts) as saying that "school uniforms period aren't costume, historical or otherwise." But certainly that was the impression *you* got from people's abbreviated statements, and I can see that the lack of specificity could make those statements, taken out of context, appear to say that. > I am interested in costume, historic costume being a subset of that. > I have met people (not necessarily on this list) who think that > "costume" is special dress, removed from what we (in current culture, > specific to the speaker, and current time) would ordinarily wear. By > this definition I would still argue that school uniforms are costume, > because they are an outfit that has been artificially contrived. I don't think there are many people who would argue with you here. But as our listowner periodically points out, and most of us remember most of the time, :-) modern costume *or* clothing should not be the focus of discussion on this list except as it may relate to historic dress (e.g. when someone notes a connection between a current style and a historic one, or when we look at a modern costume designer's attempt to echo a historic fashion). On a list like this, off-topic discussion can be acceptable and enjoyable (or at least tolerated) to some degree. However, the discussion on modern school uniforms had degenerated into an increasingly inflammatory political discussion, and as it had no relation to the focus of the list (*historic* costume) that was one more reason to drop that particular line of discussion. I would not mind at all seeing discussion of historic school uniforms, and I see some of the later posts -- in which people have recalled such uniforms from the 1950s and 1960s -- as being on that line. (Interestingly, one of my parents' lists is now discussing school uniform policies, so the threads in my inbox are rather hard to untangle right now!) --Robin, mom to 2 boys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 01:23:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32662 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:23:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N5L9OX011963; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:21:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N5L8628142; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:21:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N5BO625624 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:11:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pool-63.53.233.25.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.233.25] helo=[63.53.184.158]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17i6jD-0001Hy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:11:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: [h-cost] Re: cross-dressing soldiers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:49:00 -0700 Status: RO At 9:01 PM -0400 8/21/02, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >I was only trying to say that I am curious about why so many women >reenactors are only interested in reenacting women of the past who were not >typical of their time or culture. And the way they are not typical is always >that they are more like US. I am interested in the past because I want to >know what it was like, and what people then did and thought. But lots of >people are not. I just think it's interesting, and says a lot about people >of today, that this is so. I agree with you. This shows up in other contexts besides military, too. I can't tell you what a high proportion of women play "widows" or unmarried women at, for instance, the Renaissance faires I've worked at. And somehow they all manage to be self-supporting, to have their own businesses as printers, scribes, musicians, et cetera..... not at all impossible for a woman to do at that time, but definitely unusual. The same thing happens with names -- I have a name article on the Web (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/christian/fairnames/) and people will sail right by dozens of names like Barber, Billing, Canon, Cressy, Dale, Eston, Foster, et cetera to zero in on the occasional Froggenhall, Follywolle, Keckilpenny, Oxenbrigg, Rippringham, Strangewayes, or Sweetecock . I guess we just have to feel ourselves to be "different" from everyone else. While I support everyone's right to make their own choices, perhaps a suitable rallying cry would be "Re-enact the NORM!" It has a nice sort of ring to it, don't you think? .... -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 01:23:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32666 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:23:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N5LJOX011978; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:21:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N5LJ628191; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:21:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N5BP625633 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:11:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pool-63.53.233.25.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.233.25] helo=[63.53.184.158]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17i6jE-0001Hy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:11:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question about a Source Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:14:35 -0700 Status: RO At 7:23 AM +1200 8/23/02, Jennifer Geard wrote: >Hi Mary, > >> I have a photocopy of a section of the book "Mediaeval Costume and >> Life" by Dorothy Hartley. I am wondering if anyone else has seen >> this book, or the multi-volume work she wrote with Margaret Elliot >> titled "Life and Work of the People of England", covering from the >> 11th - 18th centuries. Both titles appear to have been published > > in the early 1900's. Does anyone have an opinion about the books > > or the author? > >I seem to have had mixed reactions to the book: Me too. For enjoyable reading, I adore anything Dorothy Hartley writes. I just finished re-reading "Water in England" which I recently found on the used-book market after having taken it out of the library several times. While she has a somewhat romanticized view of history, and tends to lump everything from the 19th century on back as "traditional," she did have access to a lot of places, things, and stories that have since been lost. However she is less useful for historical re-construction. You do have to remember that she was writing in the 1930s and 40s for the most part. We have learned a _lot_ since then about medieval and renaissance history. In particular, what we now call "social history" and the study of material culture were generally not "respectable" fields of serious academic study, so anything about "medieval" daily life is likely to have been written using 19th-century examples as the chief source, as though "country life" had remained exactly the same for all those centuries. Given the background she was working from, she does quite well. Her line drawings are very clear and useful in conveying an understanding of the things she's describing. She tries very hard to describe exactly what the craftspeople she meets are doing, and more important, *why.* She clearly cares a great deal about preserving an account of the traditional practices she sees. However, there are reasons why it seems to be a good rule of thumb that, in medieval and renaissance history, later sources are more reliable and better informed than earlier ones. (Janet Arnold, for instance, is a better source on costume than Iris Brooke.) I will happily read anything Dorothy Hartley writes -- for enjoyment. But if you had to rely on just one book on making a variety of medieval costume pieces, I'd recommend getting Sarah Thursfield's _The Medieval Tailor's Assistant_ (2001, Costume & Fashion Press, ISBN 0-89676-239-4; website http://www.quitespecificmedia.com ) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 01:35:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32697 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:35:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N5X9OX012382; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:33:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N5X8601487; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:33:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N5IG627385 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:18:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A66523750288; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:21:41 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c24a64$75215920$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20020823034537.78760.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:18:03 -0400 Status: RO I will go into this in depth because this has been one of my goals in my life to help the general public to understand what is the meaning of costume. I think if people understood the meaning, they would understand that when you say you are in the costume industry, they don't think you make or sell Halloween or Hollywood costumes. When I first started in college studying historic costume, this was the definition of ALL costumes: Costume is anything that is worn to create a total look or style. Costume is a total combination of items worn from head to toe. This includes all aspects of clothing, makeup, adornments, head gear, footwear, hairstyles, etc. If it creates a style it is a costume. To quote from the Costume Society of America who studies all aspects of dress and appearance: >From the 2002 Membership Directory, page 1: "We seek members who are involved in the study, education, collection, preservation, presentation and interpretation of dress and appearance in our PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE societies." Now in my product development class, we learned that a fashion becomes historic when it has completed the fashion/product life cycle. A fast moving cycle is a fad. But even a fad becomes historic when it completes the cycle. Now there can be two schools of thought on makes a costume historic. 1. Something worn for a historic event like a coronation or worn by a person of historic importance. 2. Any costume that has completed the fashion life cycle. Both are true! There are several divisions in the costuming industry. I could on for hours on these. Fashion is one part of the costuming industry. Fashion as we speak of it in today's terms is what is in the fashion life cycle at this moment. If you want to see a representation of all the different categories in our industry go to www.costumesocietyamerica.com and look at the listing of some of the categories on the registration form. I never realized how vast our industry was until I had to type all of that into a form for them for the website. And from looking at the membership form in the current directory, this form has been compacted since I last worked on it. In museums, Halloween, theatrical, masquerade, and carnival costumes fall into the category of fancy dress. A child's school uniform would be placed into the general collection because it is something that is accepted by the general public as everyday wear. It could fall into the category of uniforms, but 9 times out of 10 it would not be placed into the uniform category because these are usually reserved for adult sizes. Childrenswear is often seen in museums as a separate category. Most museums do not have a large collection of childrenswear so everything for children is lumped under one heading. The same thing would happen to a Boy or Girl Scout uniform. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 01:48:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32726 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:48:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N5knOX012896; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:46:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N5kn605130; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:46:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N5WR601292 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:32:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14167 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:34:33 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cross-dressing soldiers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:34:33 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Chris Laning wrote: > While I support everyone's right to make their own choices, perhaps a > suitable rallying cry would be "Re-enact the NORM!" > It has a nice sort of ring to it, don't you think? Some friends of mine put together a 14th-c. living history group a few years ago. One of their written rules is "Typical, typical, typical." Meaning, that is, go for the norm. They're at . You can read the rules here: . Nice people, good work. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 02:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12060 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:22:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N6KGOX013929; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:20:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N6KF613435; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:20:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N6JG613175 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:19:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-97-16.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.97.16]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AKC40178; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:19:05 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <055301c24a6d$690940e0$b16e4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Question about a Source MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:22:08 +0100 Status: RO >>> I have a photocopy of a section of the book "Mediaeval Costume and >> Life" by Dorothy Hartley. I have (I think) all of Dorothy Hartleys books Medieval costume & Life is interesting, but very generalised & as has been said it must be remembered that it dates to the 30s & sourcing where she got her ideas from is hard sometimes. Having said that in general I think her books are invalube because they do put an interpretation on the medieval period from a person connected with the land and crafts, when to a large extend basic farming methods we closer to tghose of medieval times, wheras now tyhey are completly remote & much of the everyday knowledge she convays does not exist in living memory. Modern interpretations differ & their methology is better, but I'm not always convinced they are practical interpretation, so I read older books too to try & gain another perspective. eg from people who lived in long skirts day in day out. > I am wondering if anyone else has seen >> this book, or the multi-volume work she wrote with Margaret Elliot >> titled "Life and Work of the People of England", covering from the >> 11th - 18th centuries These books are invauble for their repros of manuscripts & other contemporty sources, if you can get them but them. There is little interpretation in them, look and you can decide on your own (more pics, more sources of contempory work, the better. This is where I'm not so keen on Iris Brooke >. I just finished re-reading "Water in England" Their is no other book I'm aware of tyhat covers this at all, so it is useful. >While she has a somewhat romanticized view of history Possibily, I'm not sure I agree with that completly if you read it as written by the class & age she was. It is possible it reads more romantically to an American English speaker than to me (a British, old school reader) > and tends to lump everything from the 19th century on back as "traditional," Agreed especially in Food in England, but then that & her other general books don't claim to be specific to a period and from a British rural point of view many are still traditional so I'm not sure that this is incorrect. But I think the Medieval costume is reasonably focused withing the definition of Medieval at the time. >We have learned a _lot_ since then about medieval and renaissance history. And lost a lot of practical knowledge, which I think is invaluble for making comment. I've seen a lot of really silly assumptions made on subjects where the person interpreting has no practical knowledge of the subjucy. The only costume related one that comes to mind is one about chaps on iron age swords which it is theorised are there to hook your foot round when drawing your sword whilst riding. Having tired the practice out it seems pretty impossible. >, so anything about "medieval" daily life is likely to have been written using 19th-century examples as the chief source, as though "country life" had remained exactly the same for all those centuries. Whilst I agree it hasn't, I do believe that modern writers are guilty of writing from a perspective so far removed that their intepretaions can be as or more meaningless. >I'd recommend getting Sarah Thursfield's _The Medieval Tailor's Assistant_ (2001, Costume & Fashion Press, ISBN 0-89676-239-4; website http://www.quitespecificmedia.com ) Here I'd have to disagree, whilst it is a good costume book as in you can look the part, I believe acedemically it falls down, it is too general and does not address the issues of correct for the period style. Having said that I don't think it claims to, and for a medieval look it is a useful resource. I'd have to recommend you get as many books as you can, believe nothing just because it is written down in print and gradually make up your own mind (or not as often the more you pick up the more you reaslise how little you know) But that depends how deeply you want to go into the subject & how specific you want to be. My personal dislike is for any non specific work that drags example from out of time or place to prove a point. But good general works are useful, for those who are not so interested in a specific year for instance. Bottom line but Hartley & as much as you can afford & have the confidence to realise as we critisise writers of 70 years ago, in another 70 we will be looked at and most of our observations see as incorrect, therefore no interpretation is inherently is "right" they are simply interpretations :0) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 02:54:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA31559 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:54:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N6qEOX014901; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:52:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N6qD620893; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:52:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N6ow620657 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:50:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p464-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.193.210] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17i8HX-0003cS-00; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:50:56 +1200 Message-ID: <00d401c24a71$737df670$d2c1adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020823011836.25856.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Britney was [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:51:03 +1200 Status: RO > > Let me rephrase this then....anyone who uses the > > line "Hit me baby one more > > time" in a song aimed at then pre-pubescent teen > > market has a lot to answer > > for. > Couldn't agree more! Even though there is a > double meaning there, the likelyhood that everyone > will pick up on it, especially kids, is low.... You mean that Hit is slang for F***? Which is perhaps even more distrubing than the misconcepttion that she's asking for a punch..... I mean, it's not "make love", or any kind of situation where sex is a beautiful thing. It's purely a brutal physical act. I don't think that is a lyric kids should be singing no.... > But we still can't blame her entirely...songwriters > write the songs and the record companies bind her in > contract....unless she chose to do what Prince did and > thus become "the artist formerly known as Brittany > Spears".... :) Except that her image is that of the above.. and then says in her private life she's a virgin etc... It's too confusing for kids when they get mixed messages. I see no sign that she is unhappy with what she is selling, and you do need to take responsibility for her actions. She is old enough to make up her own mind. I personally would have no problem with her (as a product) if she was aimed at older teens/young adults and actually embraced the image she is selling. But it's the conflicting images she and her managers are presenting that is the problem. Now I have no idea how to get this back on topic... but her clothes from a socialogical point of view I suppose. Again I have no problem with her dressing as she does.. if it wasn't aimed at preteen girls. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 03:04:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09571 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:04:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N733OX015288; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:03:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N733623202; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:03:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N72g623140 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:02:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.201]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020823070241.QMNI28874.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:02:41 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fighting in skirts Message-ID: <3D65EC19.13884.27EC8E@localhost> Priority: normal References: <20020822132101.779.38013.Mailman@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: <53F74940BC9@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:02:33 +0100 Status: RO On 22 Aug 2002 at 15:47, Teddy wrote: > > > > One of the girls in the Far Isles used to fight in a full > > > renaissance dress (and beat most of the mqle fighters too!). It > > > was quite something seeing her step out onto the field with helm > > > and armguards over her flowing gown and beat the snot out of the > > > macho type men. > > > > Somewhere I have a photo of this. Breastplate over flowing silk > > dress. And she won that tourney, too. > > One for the website, perhaps? If I can find it and scan it (yes, this back in the days of cameras that produced hard-copy), certainly. Do you remember her name? Would she like to come to Kemsing? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 03:20:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04957 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:20:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N7J3OX015766; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N7J2626798; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7N7IS626681 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:18:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823071827.96000.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:18:27 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] History of school uniforms in UK? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:18:27 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I must say I have been wondering when school uniforms actually started being worn in England? I really don't have a clue, does anyone know? I certainly know of the statues of the around 1700 in the MoL, but those are of a boy and a girl from Bedlam, so that can't be counted as a school uniform. I wonder, because didn't pupils often wear robes, like they did/do in Oxford and Cambridge? Sheesh, I really don't know but I'd be interested to know what others think/know. Nicole - who finds the current niggling in regards to school unifoms on 'costume' or not, 'historical' or not, 'political' or not, 'modern' or not, just a tad too silly to comment. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 03:26:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16700 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:26:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N7P4OX015916; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N7P3628155; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N7Om628081 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:24:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p464-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.193.210] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17i8oH-0001WT-00; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:24:47 +1200 Message-ID: <00da01c24a76$2d4c80e0$d2c1adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020822151123.62831.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Ren (Landsknechte) dress pattern? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:24:53 +1200 Status: RO > I'd love to make (long-term project....) a landsknechte type dress, a la > cranach et all, but it isn't supposed to be super authentic, i want it to look > good, be doable, and be used for costume events possible, and far isles. *waves > to king guy* > Could anyone recommend a pattern for such a dress? I am totally useless at > pattern making and would have to use some pattern as a basic at least. > > Thanks ever so much for any recommendations. > > Nicole Can't go wrong with Mary of Hungary's dress. Easy, very elegant and as authentic as you can get:) And yes, if you lace it up the front it really does look just like many examples of german regional dress. She was a Habsburg after all:) http://www.virtue.to/guest_authors/hungarian.html The cirular skirt can be seen in a number of gowns, and many pleated gowns are based on the circle shape too, as well as men's bases... http://frazzledfrau.tripod.com/1540erzherzoginanna.htm sunray pleated http://frazzledfrau.tripod.com/1534buch2.htm likewise You just need to increase the waist and hem circumference. eg if you are pleating the waist aim for about three times the waist circumference (plus a little extra to account for fabric bulk seam allowances). Then you're hem is another circle just making sure that you have the front floor length at least. Fortunately not a heck of a lot of maths is needed;) The shape is also extremely forgiving so that you can add or subtract from the centre front and back seam allowances without really disturbing the fall of the skirt. And the hem is just so deliciously decadent.. mine is about 10m. http://recital.tripod.com/costume/1520.htm for the dress I made (before I lined the skirt which now is super heavy but has some support. It's still very far from being finished, but that's due to me being too easily distracted;) http://recital.tripod.com/costume/16thunderwear.htm Shows the chemise in better detail. It's so so lovely, I really recommend that as a seperate item anyway. And german costume can be as fairytale as you like too, there are regional differences from big full sleeves (found many more examples of those trumpet sleeves Anne of Cleves wore http://frazzledfrau.tripod.com/bigsleeves.htm ), to simple clean lines, to as much puffing and slashing and jewellery and winged sleeves as you can imagine;) bildindex.de is an amazing place for german art, and shows such a variety of dress you find something new that challenges the expectations of the costume style. For example we've found a number of very conical bodices over there. Which suggests a few things: there was a fashion amongst a select group of women to absorb some fashion elements from other lands, or (my only joking theory) these were flatchested women;) I get that exact shape when wearing even an unboned bodice;) I have finally managed to get my files again (my folder refused to open so I had to copy and paste it all using PSP I think) so I can get to work fixing the broken links again. Don't know why some files didn't make it to the website. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 03:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17729 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:28:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N7Q4OX015952; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N7Q4628434; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N7Pn628350 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:25:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.91]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1A00LPYCMZKB@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:25:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? In-reply-to: <20020823034537.78760.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020823000613.00cbfbd0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020822180301.89393.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:09:45 -0700 Status: RO >Does anyone feel like >getting philosophical on "what is costume," or >possibly "the functions of clothing?" 100 years from now everything we are wearing today will be called a 'costume', and will be in a 'costume' book. So it is reasonable to me that what I am wearing, even as I type this, is a 'costume', just not historical yet. My daughter, the fashionable one, says "Clothes, Mom, they're clothes". No, I guess I don't feel like getting philosophical after all. Nobody will 'win' this one', and I don't think anybody will feel better afterwards either. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 03:34:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30441 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:34:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N7X2OX016191; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N7X2600274; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7N7W4629924 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823073204.42456.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:32:04 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020823034537.78760.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:32:04 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Angela Kovatch wrote: > I. Response to previous back-and-forth: *snippage* Angela, I think that A) I am getting tired of nitpicking what I am trying to say because B) I AM A NON NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER STILL although I live in England and English is NOT my native language and there are other non-native speakers on this list and it is IMPOSSIBLE for all of us to very often say EXACTLY what we think. PLEASE bear this in mind. Okay, now I did say something, but you have NO idea how frustrating it gets, especially on emails, when for the umpteenth time one gets accused of not quite understanding or not quite saying what one means or finding it imppossible to quite fully explain what one means just plain simply because of LANGUAGE! Anyone else try expressing themselves who's a native English speaker in a LEARNED language. Sheesh. Humph. I'm frustrated now. Nicole - who really didn't want to comment but frustration won out. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 03:35:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32266 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:35:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N7Y2OX016211; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N7Y2600531; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7N7Xb600458 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:33:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823073337.26545.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:33:37 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Ren (Landsknechte) dress pattern? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020823014547.23612.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:33:37 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Bella wrote: > --- N Kipar > Hi Nicole, > > Period Patterns has a set of ladies German "Puff 'n' > Slash" gowns in one package (#46). I haven't tried > this pattern, so I'm not sure how good the > instructions etc are, but the pics look good: > > http://www.sewingcentral.com/PP46.JPG Ohhh, NICE! Thanks Bella. Has anyone tried this pattern? Saragrace, didn't you make your lovely green dress from it? I vaguely recall... Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 03:39:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07994 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:39:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N7c3OX016325; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N7c2601480; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7N7bT601363 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823073729.13487.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:37:29 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Ren (Landsknechte) dress pattern? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00da01c24a76$2d4c80e0$d2c1adcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:37:29 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- michaela wrote: > > I'd love to make (long-term *huge snippage* Thank you so much for all the info, Michaela, I saved this message for reference when I actually get about trying my hand on such a dress. This is actually not supposed to be an overly authentic dress, but more something a la Cranach, and OTT, I would like it to be a costume, high quality costume, but costume. I love your yellow and black dress, it looks absolutely superb! Wish I could wear yellow, but I look like a week old corpse in it. Is a corset being worn under the dress or is the bodice boned? Don't suggest no boning (please...), I LIKE boning or corests, the more the merrier, pushes the excess bits into a lovely shape. hehehe. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 03:44:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15958 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:44:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N7gGOX016401; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:42:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N7gF602461; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:42:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7N7f1602162 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823074100.87704.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:41:00 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Ulrich von Liechtenstein, Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <04b901c24a2f$bdc94dc0$b16e4ed5@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:41:00 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Melanie Wilson wrote: > Name of Knight was Ulrich von Lichtenstein a famous 13th century knight ( I > think) who fought successfully in lots of tournaments, In one he fought > dressed as Venus Goddes of Love. *dies laughing* Really? REALLY??? You know the name of the cute blondie in the hilariously funny 'A Knight's Tale' which is a complete peetake of all those medievalesque films? Ulrich von Liechtenstein, Count of Gelderland. HAHAHAHA now I understand that they chose the name coz it's even funnier when you know who he was! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 04:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21796 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:22:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N8KGOX017906; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:20:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N8KF611093; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:20:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N8Ix610766 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:18:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLMRMGGZGW009SWS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:19:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLMRMFWX2Y008VFK@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:19:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:17:18 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:16:42 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.52) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:16:36 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. Bay City Rollers (WAS: Buffy) In-reply-to: <20020822210112.19841.68003.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <550F08512ED@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:16:36 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Ewww...Teddy, you had it bad! My cousin had papered her entire > bedroom with posters, even in the ceiling---I was allowed several, > but my dad would have had a fit if I had done that! Somehow, posters on my walls didn't occur until I had left to start my degree course when I was 19... but I reallth thought tose slippers (*ugly* things in hindsight) were the bees-knees Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 04:39:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21841 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:39:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N8b3OX018301; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N8b2615061; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N8a4614834 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLMS6N7US0007E14@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:35:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLMS630EN40096QO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:34:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:32:21 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:31:56 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.52) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:31:53 +0000 From: Teddy In-reply-to: <20020822210112.19841.68003.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <551319227B6@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]: Kingdom University Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:31:53 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Date sent: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:12 -0600 From: h-costume-request@indra.com Subject: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1236 - 14 msgs To: h-costume@net.indra.com Send reply to: h-costume@indra.com > Erm - November's far too far away for me to think about yet! This > weekend is our last Conquest show, then I flip over the calendar > and start thinking about the "off" season. I've never been to > Kingdom University yet, and since it's in Glasgow I'll probably > try... let you know nearer the time. OK, Jean. I have to book at least this far in advance or by the time I get around to it the weekends are already earmarked for other events. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 04:39:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21845 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:39:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N8bFOX018312; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:37:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N8bF615125; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:37:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N8ae614952 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:36:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-100-32.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.100.32]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AKC45377; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:36:26 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <163c01c24a80$996e30c0$b16e4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20020823073204.42456.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:39:29 +0100 Status: RO >Anyone else try expressing themselves who's a native English speaker in a LEARNED language. Hey you do fine, half the time I don't understand what I say myself & I am native English :) But not a native writer as I'm dyslexic & written form is not easy for me or natural, so I think I understand where you are coming from. Also there are misunderstanding between English English & US English, so please don't feel bad or frustrated :) Personally I think what we wear today is relevant to historic costuming, because all historic costume was once upto date wear, if not fashion wear, it can also be of interest in the development of styles Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 04:39:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21849 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:39:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N8c3OX018354; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N8c3615322; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N8bG615132 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLMS9Z7NN4008W1R@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:37:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLMS9UWZHO008VFK@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:37:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:35:24 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:34:45 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.52) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:34:37 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century shoes In-reply-to: <20020823044606.16489.9421.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5513D8B3FD7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:34:36 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Don't suppose you would like to let us know what size shoe > you wear, Dunno in American sizes but it's a mens broad-fitting size nine in UK sizes (size 8 if the toaes are broad enough) > oh blue eyed one? *Pthphphpht!* Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 04:45:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21863 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:44:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N8h5OX018448; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N8h4616434; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N8g2616247 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLMSG0Z5SG009SWS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:42:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLMSG0MBCK009OYX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:42:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:40:21 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:39:51 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.52) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:39:44 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms In-reply-to: <20020823044606.16489.9421.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <551535728C7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:39:44 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Just the idea of forcing all of those individuals to dress bland and > > alike - how oppressive. > > > > Teddy > > Bland and alike? Never. Glad to hear it. > Owen wears baggy grey corduroy surf shorts and elastic sided black > boots (blundstone style) as a part of his uniform - so do a few > others. It's not a problem, because it's not dictated what style > of black shoe or grey shorts one must wear :-) Sounds like a dress-code rather than a uniform - and regardless of the tag attached it shounds freer than a lot of them. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 04:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21889 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:54:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N8q6OX018696; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:52:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N8q4618367; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20203.mail.yahoo.com (web20203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.58]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7N8pM618165 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:51:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823085121.76153.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.49.107.113] by web20203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:51:21 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: Britney was [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00d401c24a71$737df670$d2c1adcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:51:21 +1000 (EST) Status: RO Ok, this has seriously gone OT so I will only answer a couple of points..... --- michaela wrote: > You mean that Hit is slang for F***? Well, a euphemism, yes... :) > Which is > perhaps even more distrubing > than the misconcepttion that she's asking for a > punch..... I find it more disconcerting to think that she's asking for a punch personally.... > I mean, it's not > "make love", or any kind of situation where sex is a > beautiful thing. It's > purely a brutal physical act. Physical...perhaps, brutal...not necessarily. It depends on your interpretation. It's just a euphemism....it could just as easily be a euphemism for "kiss".... > I don't think that is > a lyric kids should be > singing no.... Everyone has the right to their own opinion of course, but I have no problem with it, provided my daughter knows what she's singing of course...which is up to me to tell her. One of my favourite songs in the 70s (or was it 80s?) went "do it to me one more time...once is never enough....with a man like you..." Dear me...now I'll get hounded for liking that song...hehehehe... :) > Except that her image is that of the above.. and > then says in her private > life she's a virgin etc... It's too confusing for > kids when they get mixed > messages. Confusing or not, if she is singing about sex, no matter how "physical", surely that is less worrying than her asking for a punch? Of course sex is a worrying topic for many people.... > I see no sign that she is unhappy with what she is > selling, and you do need > to take responsibility for her actions. She is old > enough to make up her own > mind. Absolutely. That was what I was getting at - the market determines what sells, the songwriters write them, and the company binds her into a contract. She opts out or sings and makes money. She is not the only one in the wrong.... I just think it's too easy to blame the way Brittany dresses for giving child molesters something to ogle at, without acknowledging the bigger problem. This is not so far from blaming women dressing provocatively for their being accosted or raped. Think about it. PS...two of my sisters *were molested* at a very young age way back when this style of dressing was not an issue. I hope you understand where I'm coming from in saying it's nuts to blame her style of dressing for children being ogled and worse. Young children have been preyed upon for a very long time, and it didn't require provocative clothing to do it.... And now that I've gone completely OT....can anyone think of another instance in historical costuming where a particular style of clothing was denounced because it made men think lewd thoughts...or worse? I'll bet we all can. :) Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 05:07:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21956 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 05:07:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N954OX018975; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N953621478; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:05:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pageartists.com ([207.159.140.64]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N94d621397 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:04:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from horse (pdx-ppp290.pop1.net [209.102.127.127]) by pageartists.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA07960 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:04:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00a401c24a85$40f50360$a5a1fea9@horse> From: "Brenna" To: References: <20020823085121.76153.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re:Provocative clothing - was: Britney was [h-cost] School Uniforms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:12:48 -0700 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bella" > And now that I've gone completely OT....can anyone > think of another instance in historical costuming > where a particular style of clothing was denounced > because it made men think lewd thoughts...or worse? > I'll bet we all can. :) Sure! Late 1300s Western Europe - the so-called "gates of Hell" overgowns. The preachers were being blunt about what they thought of 'em, that's for sure..... :-) back to lurk-mode... Brenna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 05:07:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21961 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 05:07:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N962OX018997; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N962621691; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N95t621654 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:05:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLMT9JIXSG009GLA@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:05:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLMT9CULSO009OYX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:05:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:04:01 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:03:26 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.52) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:03:19 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Ren (Landsknechte) dress pattern? In-reply-to: <20020823072503.28141.98188.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <551B7F84CE6@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:03:18 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > I'd love to make (long-term project....) a landsknechte type dress, > > a la cranach et all, but it isn't supposed to be super authentic, i > > want it to look > > good, be doable, and be used for costume events possible, and far > > isles. *waves to king guy* > > Could anyone recommend a pattern for such a dress? I am totally > > useless at pattern making and would have to use some pattern as a > > basic at least. > Can't go wrong with Mary of Hungary's dress. Easy, very elegant > and as authentic as you can get:) And yes, if you lace it up the > front it really does look just like many examples of german > regional dress. She was a Habsburg after all:) > http://www.virtue.to/guest_authors/hungarian.html Not to mention how similar the bodice looks to that of Anne of Cleves in the famous Holbein painting. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 05:08:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21967 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 05:08:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N972OX019024; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7N971621923; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10308.mail.yahoo.com (web10308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7N96w621909 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:06:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823090657.63879.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.6.118.99] by web10308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:06:57 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020823072503.28141.98188.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: school uniform Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:06:57 +0100 (BST) Status: RO The only problem I ever had with school uniform (which I wore from age 4 to age 16), was that I had to wear skirts. Being a complete tomboy, I tended to do things like climbing trees, and it really hurt when scuffing knees with absolutely no protection! (And I do consider my school uniform to be historical costume now, in the same way that I consider the Falklands and the collapse of the Berlin Wall to be history, albeit recent history.) As to the question of when uniforms started to be worn, I'm pretty sure that the public school (aka private, for Americans!) my boyfriend went to has always had a uniform - although obviously it's changed a lot, given it's history of 400-500 years. Debbie. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 06:10:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22170 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:10:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NA85OX020357; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NA83603903; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:08:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NA71603671 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arweb02la (unverified [10.1.201.102]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:07:12 -0700 thread-index: AcJKjNnOLNxbpvqgQaO8dFqHeDUGag== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... Message-ID: <02cf01c24a8c$d9ce7ba0$0cc9a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02D0_01C24A52.2D6FA3A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:07:12 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02D0_01C24A52.2D6FA3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's another song around at the moment that's really disturbing me - I now switch the radio off when it comes on. It's Enrique Inglesias singing about " I don't know why, I just love to see you cry". This is just plain creepy, and I'm surprised no one else is bothered... Freyalyn _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Bella > Sent: 8/23/2002 7:17:36 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross > dressingsoldie... > > --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > Let me rephrase this then....anyone who uses the > line "Hit me baby one more > time" in a song aimed at then pre-pubescent teen > market has a lot to answer > for. > > Dianne > > > Couldn't agree more! Even though there is a > double meaning there, the likelyhood that everyone > will pick up on it, especially kids, is low.... > > But we still can't blame her entirely...songwriters > write the songs and the record companies bind her in > contract....unless she chose to do what Prince did and > thus become "the artist formerly known as Brittany > Spears".... :) > > I'm going to get off this topic now...too "down" and > OT... :) > > > Bella > > http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To > - Get the best out of your PC! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_02D0_01C24A52.2D6FA3A0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's another song around at the moment that's really disturbing me - I now switch the radio off when it comes on. It's Enrique Inglesias singing about " I don't know why, I just love to see you cry". This is just plain creepy, and I'm surprised no one else is bothered...

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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Bella
> Sent: 8/23/2002 7:17:36 PM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross
> dressingsoldie...
>
> --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote:
>
> Let me rephrase this then....anyone who uses the
> line "Hit me baby one more
> time" in a song aimed at then pre-pubescent teen
> market has a lot to answer
> for.
>
> Dianne
>
>
> Couldn't agree more! Even though there is a
> double meaning there, the likelyhood that everyone
> will pick up on it, especially kids, is low....
>
> But we still can't blame her entirely...songwriters
> write the songs and the record companies bind her in
> contract....unless she chose to do what Prince did and
> thus become "the artist formerly known as Brittany
> Spears".... :)
>
> I'm going to get off this topic now...too "down" and
> OT... :)
>
>
> Bella
>
> http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To
> - Get the best out of your PC!
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In-reply-to: <20020823100803.3892.30729.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <552E9573C74@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:14:53 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Wish I could wear yellow, but I look like a week old corpse in it. That's never stopped me from wearing it - believe me, it's far from my best colour, but I love it and wear it anyway. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 06:52:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22261 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:52:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NAp3OX021406; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NAp2614038; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NAoP613896 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:50:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA2820BAD for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 815192084B for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d301c24a92$de72c7a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <53F3ACB53AC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <00cc01c24a46$5a3fec20$eaf4fea9@glendaii> Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:50:00 -0400 Status: RO Many of the boys have started dying their hair (Owen got > his spiked last week because he wanted to) - why not? > A woman I am on another list with is in a battle with the principal of her daughter's school already. Her daughter was sent home from school and told not to return until she restore her hair to its natural color. Seems she had dyed it that totally unnatural, never-found-in-nature color of RED. sheesh. Dianne often a redhead, but not always _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 09:22:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23024 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:22:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDO4OX026067; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NDO3622150; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40310.mail.yahoo.com (web40310.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.89]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7NDNS622004 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:23:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823132323.96656.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.1.25.44] by web40310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:23:23 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?marcus=20findlay-arthur?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] OT; Far Isels - September/October Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:23:23 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Jane you're probably right about it being the October event.I have problems arranging things with my job and have to book stuff months in advance.September was probably wishful thinking on my part since it would've been easier than October to get time off by the looks of things,and I do want to hook up with you Far Isles folks. Marcus/Mangal. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 09:29:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23044 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:29:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDV2OX026385; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NDV2624110; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40312.mail.yahoo.com (web40312.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7NDUf624032 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823133035.13559.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.1.25.44] by web40312.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:30:35 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?marcus=20findlay-arthur?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Books - does anyone want these Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:30:35 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Am starting to clear up for a pending move,bought these in New York before I came over and they will need homes but they're not costume books; 1.France in the sixteenth centuary by Frederic Baumgartner - St.Martin's Press - 1995. 2.The Fifteenth Centuary - The Prospect of Europe by Margaret Aston - Thames and Hudson - 1968. Bought both secondhand.They're going free but I'd like them to go to good homes.Contact me off List if anyone is interested on; marcus.cuttintable@virgin.net. Marcus/Mangal. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 09:36:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23092 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:36:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDc4OX026709; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NDc2626395; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NDbR626229 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.9.) id 6.166.12ad7727 (3996) for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:37:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <166.12ad7727.2a97948c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross ... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_166.12ad7727.2a97948c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:37:16 EDT Status: RO --part1_166.12ad7727.2a97948c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/2002 6:08:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, freyalyn@ivillage.com writes: > There's another song around at the moment that's really disturbing me - I > now switch the radio off when it comes on. Here's a better idea: Turn to the classical station and listen to some real music. --part1_166.12ad7727.2a97948c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/2002 6:08:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, freyalyn@ivillage.com writes:


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Here's a better idea: Turn to the classical station and listen to some real music.
--part1_166.12ad7727.2a97948c_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 10:49:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27388 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:49:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NEp5OX001629; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:51:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NEp3626188; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14502.mail.yahoo.com (web14502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7NEoB625701 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823145011.12350.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.14.180] by web14502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:50:11 PDT From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020823000613.00cbfbd0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Amusement at current "fashion" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO For some unknown reason, I ran across an article at work describing the influences for this fall and winter's "fashions" this week. In the office section I nearly had lunch all over the monitor as they were claiming 1890's influence on office wear this year! Now I can't see wearing a corset the way the article was implying, but making some replica shirtwaists and jackets would be lovely. The pictures on the sites I went to so far were a bit smudgy on trying to see details on some of the pieces, but I like the romantic effect of the fabrics and lace in the shirts. I tend to wear long full skirts most of the time anyways, since I don't like the effect of 25 inch waist and 40 inch hips in short skirts, so I don't really need to make more, but a couple of nice 9 or 11 gored skirts with the detailing would be fun. Any recommendations on where to look to draft patterns for some of these--or purchased patterns I can look at and make the alterations needed for my size? Or for directions on how to get fine medium length hair into some of those updo's? (it's about 5 inches shy of my waist again *Finally*!) The shirts that I like the most are the ones with what seem to be insets of lace, or collars and other fun details, or the one with a high neck, smooth undetailed yoke/body and leg of mutton sleeves. They showed that one with a pretty beaded capelet on the Premier Clothing site and I fell in love with it. I have all these beads sitting around and some organdy--maybe one of those pretty beaded capelet/shawl things can be in my future too! Angharad (hey look--it's something NOT medieval from me) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 10:54:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27426 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:54:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NEu7OX002055; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NEu5628738; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7NEtX628446 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:55:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Fri Aug 23 09:55:23 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-MTA by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:55:24 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Dreas V&A pics Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:51:20 -0500 Status: RO Yes. Unfortunately it is a modern reproduction which was added during conservation. IIRC, they weren't sure what the original lace looked liked. Cheers, Danielle (who also took lots of pictures of the smocks) At 03:48 PM 8/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Anyone else recognize the black bobbin lace on the smock from Le Pompe? >My copy is at home but I think I've worked this one. > >Catherine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well Drat :). Disappointing to hear but at least they used a period lace pattern. Do you know the rational for the color? Thanks for the update Danielle! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 10:59:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27445 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:59:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NF1COX002458; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NF1B601728; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:01:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40306.mail.yahoo.com (web40306.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7NF0I601214 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823150013.46732.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.1.0.10] by web40306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:00:13 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?marcus=20findlay-arthur?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Dylon Pushing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:00:13 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Teddy,a veritable Paradise of garb on a yearly basis should be the least they can 'do' for you!!! < ; >>> Marcus/Mangal A satisfied customer. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 11:21:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27592 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:21:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NFN5OX003984; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:23:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NFN3612869; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from testunix.webminders.com (mail@testunix.webminders.com [216.15.156.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NFM1612336 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from http by testunix.webminders.com with local (Exim 4.05) id 17iFH4-0004Bl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:18:54 -0400 Received: from 198.178.8.81 ( [198.178.8.81]) as user maredudd@caerthe.org@ms2.webminders.com by 216.15.156.98 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:18:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1030112334.3d66444ea4135@216.15.156.98> From: maredudd@caerthe.org To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wild Turkeys in Europe? Can I use their feathers? References: <20020820075052.80244.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> <3D649773.15369.E8B98@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3D649773.15369.E8B98@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Server-IP: 216.15.156.98 X-Originating-IP: 198.178.8.81 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:18:54 -0400 Status: RO Quoting Jane Williams : > > http://www.godecookery.com/how2cook/howto04.ht > m > > which says > > Turkey - >They are perfectly > period for Elizabethan feasts, as turkeys* are > mentioned in Thomas Tusser's 1576 farming > calendar, but not for either the Middle Ages or > Renaissance. I would depart a bit from Gode Cookery - I wouldn't characterize turkey as "perfectly" period. Exotically period, perhaps. Turkey appears in the period corpus in a German cookbook from 1581, Max Rumpolt's "New Kochbuch". The interesting thing is that Rumpolt includes turkey in all the meals for highest noblemen, in some of the meals for lesser nobles, and none at all for citizens. Rumpolt also shows a picture of his "indian hen"; it seems to be the Central American turkey, Agriocharis ocellata, rather than our North American bird. Mentions of turkey occur in several other places in Europe (but not in France until later) during the last two-thirds of the sixteenth century. What is notable is that in every sitation it is the very highest noblity who have access to such an exotic meal. Thus, the available evidence implies that turkey (no matter the actual species) was a *special* foodstuff. It wouldn't be available to any but the most comfortable of households, and then probably on a very limited basis. As for using the feathers for personal adornment, there are a couple issues. First, I haven't gone looking for one, but so far no one's pointed to a period portrait of someone wearing "turkey" feathers. Now, is that because it wasn't done? Or because no one important enough to have a portrait made would have worn them? I dunno.... Sorry - more questions than answers. Do you do any Native American costuming? I *know* you can use then there. :-) Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 12:27:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28507 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:27:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NGTGOX009134; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:29:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NGT9619839; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmsoutbound.mx.net (cmsrelay03.mx.net [165.212.11.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7NGSB619259 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:28:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uadvg132.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.132) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 2002 16:28:10 -0000 Received: from uwdvg007.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.7] by uadvg132.cms.usa.net via mtad (CM.0402.2.02C) with ESMTP id 231gHwqAg0086M32; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:26:06 GMT Message-ID: <20020823162807.27274.qmail@uwdvg007.cms.usa.net> Received: from 206.163.135.19 [206.163.135.19] by uwdvg007.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer CM.0402.1.07D); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:28:07 -0000 From: Shea Young To: Subject: Re: [Re: [[h-cost] Need help with Americandress from 1850]] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (CM.0402.1.07D) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7NGSB619259 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:28:07 -0700 Status: RO Sorry Denise, No offense meant, I should have said something along the lines of it was the time perido that the cultlure was established. Cowboys/girls are alive and well in Oregon! Shea "Land of Oz" wrote: > > 1870-80s - the actual twenty year span of cowboying culture. > > > > > I think the last 5 or 6 generations of cowboys would beg to differ with that > statement. > > > Denise > landofoz@netins.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 12:55:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28631 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:55:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NGv8OX012965; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:57:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NGv4X07932; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:57:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NGuTX07640 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:56:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18011 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:58:37 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms In-Reply-To: <551535728C7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:58:37 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Teddy wrote: > > Owen wears baggy grey corduroy surf shorts and elastic sided black > > boots (blundstone style) as a part of his uniform - so do a few > > others. It's not a problem, because it's not dictated what style > > of black shoe or grey shorts one must wear :-) > > Sounds like a dress-code rather than a uniform - and regardless of > the tag attached it shounds freer than a lot of them. Perhaps that difference in terminology -- "dress code" or "uniform" -- is leading to some of the widely differing reactions in this thread. Our school has a dress code, which essentially says no profanity on t-shirts. That's pretty much it. I've seen dress codes that specify no bare midriffs, no eye makeup, no strapless tops, no visible underwear, and the like. But nothing specifying what you *should* wear. That is, I haven't seen "dress code" used to describe something like what's in the quoted bit above (I forget who wrote it). That is the sort of system I've been favorably impressed by and wouldn't mind seeing adopted at my kids' school: the kids choose from a menu of certain colors and styles, but there's a wide range of acceptable combinations, fabrics, brands, etc. Here, we'd still call that a "uniform," but it's very different from the "uniforms" people are remembering with such disfavor (like the person who posted about the mom who sewed a replica uniform out of better fabric and it was unacceptable because it had to be a certain brand -- bleah). And the kids don't look uniform; they look presentable and ready to learn. No junior-slut fashions, no commercial characters on shirts, no $200 sneakers, no boys' pants falling off the hips and showing brand-name underwear -- all things I see in schools and malls today. In other words, I think there's a smart way to apply the concept to weed out the distracting and inappropriate without having to take it to the extreme of the cookie-cutter, poor-quality, expensive, single-brand uniforms that have created so many bad memories. So to give this a little historical perspective, I think the word "uniform" for school clothing has changed quite a bit in meaning in the last 40 or 50 years. At some of the stores I shop at, there are racks of "uniform" clothing that are essentially (for the boys) single-color shirts (polo or buttondown, but not t-shirts) and black, navy, or khaki pants. I have bought the navy and black pants for their dress outfits, as the price is good and the quality is fine, and there's nothing about them that screams that they came from the "uniform" rack. I would be happy to put my kids in those pants every day of the week. I don't think that would be the case for the uniforms of my youth, or some of the ones described by some of the other posters (I'm remembering what someone in California wrote). For the record, my interest in the concept is not some silly idea that uniforms will eliminate bullying, but the more concrete observations that it would make my school shopping a lot easier (in selection, fit, and expense), it would eliminate the more egregious/obscene personal choices I see among my kids' classmates, and I wouldn't have to fret that my kid will be considered a geek because I didn't manage to spot and adopt (or refused to pay for) the latest trend, or miscalculated the life expectancy of a current hot item. (I have a friend whose first-grader begged her to buy him a "Bob the Builder" t-shirt, at no small cost. He wore it proudly the first day of school, only to bring it home and declare he'd never wear it again because the other kids think that particular character is for *little* kids. Yes, expressing your individuality is a good thing, but that's not always what the kids want at this age, and it's not a lesson all kids find easy to learn at the same time.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 13:02:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28827 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:02:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NH46OX013415; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:04:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NH44X11615; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmsoutbound.mx.net (cmsrelay05.mx.net [165.212.11.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7NH3MX11228 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:03:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uadvg143.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.143) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 2002 17:03:01 -0000 Received: from uwdvg001.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.21] by uadvg143.cms.usa.net via mtad (CM.0402.2.02C) with ESMTP id 477gHwRc60423M43; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:02:57 GMT Message-ID: <20020823170318.22017.qmail@uwdvg001.cms.usa.net> Received: from 206.163.135.19 [206.163.135.19] by uwdvg021.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer CM.0402.1.07D); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:03:18 -0000 From: Shea Young To: Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [[h-cost] Need help with Americandress from 1850]]] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (CM.0402.1.07D) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7NH3MX11228 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:03:18 -0700 Status: RO Actually, I should have said ...time period that the culture.... Geez, sometimes getting the fingers to type what I mean in the morning is a chore! Shea Shea Young wrote: > Sorry Denise, > > No offense meant, I should have said something along the lines of it was the > time perido that the cultlure was established. Cowboys/girls are alive and > well in Oregon! > > Shea > > "Land of Oz" wrote: > > > 1870-80s - the actual twenty year span of cowboying culture. > > > > > > > > > I think the last 5 or 6 generations of cowboys would beg to differ with > that > > statement. > > > > > > Denise > > landofoz@netins.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 13:43:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29879 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:43:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NHj9OX016901; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NHj7X05385; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NHi9X04893 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ANGELA (adsl-63-202-198-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.198.62]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7NHi9b65044 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:44:09 -0400 Message-ID: <00b401c24acc$f7732ee0$0c0010ac@ANGELA> From: "Angela F. Lazear- Cabbage Rose" To: References: <20020823073204.42456.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <163c01c24a80$996e30c0$b16e4ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:46:09 -0700 Status: RO I have to agree with Mel. I understand that much of what we do revolves around recreating history, whether it be for "history's" sake as with reenactors, or theater's sake in my case, but we here almost always stop to look at what was worn to the Academy Awards or any other function where folks are making a 'statement' with their clothing, and that is as historical (if current history) as that which flows from the past. I remember when my frocks as a girl were current, and now they are 50's history and if I hadn't paid attention then (ok, well, I went back and reviewed just a tad) I wouldn't be able to identify them in current presentations. Penny's post really nailed it, when she was talking about costume being about making an overall impression of the person. We all dress to say something, (I may be overstating, but this list seems to be full of folks who really put some thought into what they wear, if not everyday, whenever they are in "costume" whatever era that might be, or any form of 'fancy dress'). We humans dress to entertain, enlighten, shock, amuse, what have you. That subtle personal "statement" is the intangible in dress. The portion of each trend we individualize, and make our own. It is also fairly evident in modern clothing that trends from the past are recycled, as in the current "hippie_chic" that is being sold to our kids. It's feminine and was my favorite thing about the late 60s early 70s. It's nice to see it return to replace the straight cut boring stuff they were pushing the last few years. It's all artistic expression and something we all feel passionate about. Trends now are tomorrow's history. Not that I find most current clothing worth discussion, but it can be related to the past, and we can also postulate into the future. JMHO. Oh, and Teddy, I went to Catholic School for 11 years and ran away senior year to wear minis and peasant blouses at a coed public school. YAY! (Hate 'em, fought like a dog when my youngest girl was forced to wear them when our public school got ridiculous about it. Led the charge of the non conformists and my daughter started a trend of sign offs -- they can't make you do it, after all, it's public school and there are no more uniforms. But then, I was always a bit of a trouble maker) angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "O! Swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon, That monthly changes in her circled orb, Lest that thy love prove likewise variable." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? > >Anyone else try expressing themselves who's a native English speaker in a > LEARNED language. > > Hey you do fine, half the time I don't understand what I say myself & I am > native English :) But not a native writer as I'm dyslexic & written form is > not easy for me or natural, so I think I understand where you are coming > from. > > Also there are misunderstanding between English English & US English, so > please don't feel bad or frustrated :) > > Personally I think what we wear today is relevant to historic costuming, > because all historic costume was once upto date wear, if not fashion wear, > it can also be of interest in the development of styles > > Mel > > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received > it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose > the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of > this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the > Company, unless specifically stated. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 14:35:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30118 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:35:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NIb2OX021127; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NIb1X03503; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NIaKX03173 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:36:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18653 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:38:28 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00a401c24a85$40f50360$a5a1fea9@horse> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Gates of Hell? was: Provocative clothing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:38:28 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Brenna wrote: > Sure! Late 1300s Western Europe - the so-called "gates of Hell" > overgowns. The preachers were being blunt about what they thought of > 'em, that's for sure..... :-) Anyone who's heard me lecture on this topic has heard my comments on that statement, but I'll ask here just in case someone has some new information for me: Does anyone have a primary-source reference to the term "gates of Hell" being applied to the sideless surcote in the 14th century? I seem to remember having read it in some secondary source many years ago, but I have not found it again, and I have not seen any reliable reference in the years I've been looking for one. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to learn that this is costumer's urban legend based on a colorful Victorian description of what some preacher might possibly have said -- based on an (incorrect) Victorian assumption of who was wearing these garments and when. >From my own research, I've concluded that the deeply cut-in surcotes were in fashionable wear only for a brief period, and for most of that time only by the very highest classes, before moving to being strictly ceremonial garb for royal women. (They are used frequently in artwork after that point, but virtually always in contexts in which the symbolism of "queen" is at play -- e.g. depictions of allegorical queens, royal saints, and historic queens, and as part of a set of royalty symbols used in tomb brasses/effigies. Plus one dream vision that I know of.) Anyway, if I could find a *real* quote from a *real* preacher about this fashion, it would help me pinpoint a time period for fashionable wear. (Note: Not all sleeveless surcotes are sideless surcotes, and my comments above apply only to the deeply cut-in style of the mid-14th-century and later. I'm not talking about what you see in the Manesse Codex or the Pierpont Morgan Old Testament, where sleeveless surcotes are found in abundance on many degrees of women *and* men. And I'm talking only about Western Europe, not Spain or Italy, where other versions existed in other contexts.) I have noticed that in some parts of the SCA, the phrase "gates of Hell" has become essentially a noun meaning "sideless surcote," or sometimes any sort of open-sided overgown. This is most definitely not a period phrasing, and I'd very much like to find whether there's any documentable period reference at all to this phrase in connection with this style. Though I do know I saw it at least once. Where was that? I need to go back and check certain 18th and 19th century costume sources to see if the phrase may have originated there, or if it's quoted there. And I remember finding a book at the Cornell University Library, around 1981, on written references to medieval clothing. It may have been a late 18th c. or early 19th c. source, but it had lots of obscure quotes, and might have had footnotes... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 15:20:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30272 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:20:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NJM6OX024795; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:22:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NJM4X27460; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:22:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20208.mail.yahoo.com (web20208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.63]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7NJLgX27264 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:21:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823192141.96570.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:21:41 PDT From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020823073204.42456.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: angela@ivyharp.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I'm sorry I used your name, Nicole, I really wasn't picking on you. But I thought you said something I agreed with, and I was surprised when you went off in another direction than I was going. The only reason I went back over previous messages at all in my last post was for clarification purposes only, after you directly asked me what I was talking about (sounding confused) - not because I felt the need to "nitpick." -Angela, crawling off to worry instead about wedding details. It *was* a happy idea until we started talking about specifics of how to keep family members happy with an interfaith ceremony. All I want to have to plan is the dress, and maybe his outfit. :P P.S. Happy news, though: I just figured out how to turn off HTML - and it's different depending on whether I'm looking at my Yahoo account through Internet Explorer or Netscape Navigator, oddly enough. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 16:03:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30486 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:03:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NK42OX027756; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NK41X20221; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40307.mail.yahoo.com (web40307.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7NK3HX19813 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020823200312.94687.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.1.18.177] by web40307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:03:12 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?marcus=20findlay-arthur?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Yahoo @$#R%@@!!! - Home for books Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:03:12 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Gods if only the type was a tad bigger I could actually see it & YES I have enlarged it but it keeps reverting to 8pt! Thats; marcus.cuttingtable@virgin.net Sorry folks. Marcus/Mangal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 16:22:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30548 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:22:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NKO1OX029138; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NKO0X00400; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NKNlX00311 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:23:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.110] (pm4-110.eos.net [205.133.149.110]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27244 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:23:45 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020823044606.16489.9421.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: ulrich von L. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:22:40 -0400 Status: RO I can't remember off the top of my head whether it was Ulrich von Lichtenstein or someone else who dressed as Venus -- I'll ask my husband, who remembers these things. But he didn't dress as Venus ALL the time, just for a tournament or series of tournaments, or maybe to fulfill a vow. Dressing up as characters from legend, such as King Arthur's knights, or mythology was really big with the tournament crowd for a while. So he didn't dress as a woman habitually, or because the garments worked better for fighting *g*. He was doing what we do, dressing up for fun. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 16:49:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30674 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:49:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NKpDOX001337; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NKpDX14470; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NKoBX13906 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17iLNh-000Faf-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:50:10 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] History of school uniforms in UK? References: <20020823071827.96000.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020823071827.96000.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:35:14 +0100 Status: RO School uniform really goes right back to the earliest hospital (orphanage) schools in medieval times, because the scholars would all be given the same clothing to wear, and it would probably identify them as well. Founding statutes would tend to require them to wear modest and dull coloured clothing. There are several really old public schools that still wear uniforms from the 18th century - Christ's Hospital, which is somewhere near the south coast, is famous for its breeches and mustard-coloured hose. When you see cathedral choirs, or the Children of the Chapel Royal, they have similar outfits. And then there's Eton, with their Eton collars. I can think of some convincing examples in stories of girls from orphanages also being required to wear particular clothes, which would be the same idea. The founders often had very firm ideas on what was respectable and practical, making sure these foundlings didn't get ideas above themselves or make an immodest display. It was standard in the public schools, and then the state-run grammar schools adopted the idea. The lower, non-selective and technical schools have wobbled in and out of having uniform, depending on prevailing social theories at the time. Jean N Kipar wrote >I must say I have been wondering when school uniforms actually started being >worn in England? I really don't have a clue, does anyone know? > >I certainly know of the statues of the around 1700 in the MoL, but those are of >a boy and a girl from Bedlam, so that can't be counted as a school uniform. I >wonder, because didn't pupils often wear robes, like they did/do in Oxford and >Cambridge? Sheesh, I really don't know but I'd be interested to know what >others think/know. > >Nicole - who finds the current niggling in regards to school unifoms on >'costume' or not, 'historical' or not, 'political' or not, 'modern' or not, >just a tad too silly to comment. > > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: marquis@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 16:49:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30678 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:49:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NKpAOX001329; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NKpAX14442; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NKoBX13904 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17iLNh-000Fae-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:50:09 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cross-dressing soldiers References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:23:05 +0100 Status: RO Chris Laning wrote >At 9:01 PM -0400 8/21/02, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >>I was only trying to say that I am curious about why so many women >>reenactors are only interested in reenacting women of the past who were not >>typical of their time or culture. And the way they are not typical is always >>that they are more like US. I am interested in the past because I want to >>know what it was like, and what people then did and thought. But lots of >>people are not. I just think it's interesting, and says a lot about people >>of today, that this is so. > >I agree with you. > >This shows up in other contexts besides military, too. I can't tell you >what a high proportion of women play "widows" or unmarried women at, >for instance, the Renaissance faires I've worked at. And somehow they >all manage to be self-supporting, to have their own businesses as >printers, scribes, musicians, et cetera..... not at all impossible for >a woman to do at that time, but definitely unusual. > >The same thing happens with names -- I have a name article on the Web >(http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/christian/fairnames/) and people will >sail right by dozens of names like Barber, Billing, Canon, Cressy, >Dale, Eston, Foster, et cetera to zero in on the occasional >Froggenhall, Follywolle, Keckilpenny, Oxenbrigg, Rippringham, >Strangewayes, or Sweetecock . > >I guess we just have to feel ourselves to be "different" from everyone else. > >While I support everyone's right to make their own choices, perhaps a >suitable rallying cry would be "Re-enact the NORM!" >It has a nice sort of ring to it, don't you think? .... Yes! I'll join you! I've always wanted to do plain middle-class respectability. I suppose there's two sorts of feminism, and I'm in for valuing what women really did, rather than trying to claim they could do everything men did. We do get caught up in the really flash costumes, because it is fun to have silk and lace and cloth of gold, but there's a lot of attraction in simple dresses and modest caps. Anyway, I want to re-enact to be someone different from my modern self, and a modest, self-effacing, obedient wife is definitely different! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 16:49:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30682 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:49:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NKp2OX001317; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NKp1X14376; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NKo6X13851 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:50:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17iLNd-000Faa-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:50:05 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] What is Costume? - and uniform References: <20020823034537.78760.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> <001d01c24a64$75215920$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <001d01c24a64$75215920$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:47:55 +0100 Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote >In museums, Halloween, theatrical, masquerade, and carnival costumes fall >into the category of fancy dress. A child's school uniform would be placed >into the general collection because it is something that is accepted by the >general public as everyday wear. It could fall into the category of >uniforms, but 9 times out of 10 it would not be placed into the uniform >category because these are usually reserved for adult sizes. Childrenswear >is often seen in museums as a separate category. Most museums do not have a >large collection of childrenswear so everything for children is lumped under >one heading. The same thing would happen to a Boy or Girl Scout uniform. This is an interesting point, because I'm just wondering how much of uniform is different from everyday wear, and how much it is just the same, but in a specific colour to identify the person in a certain group. I'm thinking of the little boy in the WWII civilian group, who wears grey flannel short trousers - I can't think what else boys of around 10 were ever pictured wearing in the 40s, in school or out. But then I get to thinking about the Land Girls uniforms (yummy!) - brown slacks, green shirts, brown jerseys (did I get the colours the right way round?) and then we're back to school uniforms which are just a certain colour of shirt and trousers. Hmmmm. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 16:53:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30710 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:53:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NKt2OX001624; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NKt2X16295; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NKs6X15905 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:54:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.187] (pm5-187.eos.net [205.133.149.187]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04687 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:54:04 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020823072503.28141.98188.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] costume art and (OT!) uniforms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:52:16 -0400 Status: RO Our local paper ran an article yesterday about a modern art exhibit at a museum in Lexington, KY. The exhibit was works by many artists, all on the topic of "body." I was amused to see that the piece pictured was one called "The Three Graces," and was three dresses from the late 1800s recreated in African print fabrics and put on wire frames, with what the article called "cafe au lait" colored hands and necks, but no heads! The reviewer waxed poetic about this piece, finding it a provocative and powerful piece about race. I just couldn't stop thinking about all the camo Elizabethans and their ilk mentioned on this list! Put some of those on dummies and ship them off to a museum! Who knows? One of us could be a modern artist making a powerful, provocative statement on the expansion of the Elizabethan empire! OT PART FOLLOWS: Our paper also ran a big article on school uniforms today, saying that they are becoming more popular throughout the state. The ones profiled are all more of the "dress code" type than actual uniforms. One entire district here has adopted uniforms, K-high school. Personally, I think it's a good idea. Sorry, those who disagree! To me it simplifies shopping and promotes a particular atmosphere, just as "work clothes," "church clothes," "play clothes," etc. do. Apparently lots of people think so too, or people wouldn't keep voting for them. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 16:56:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30739 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:56:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NKw2OX001845; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NKw1X17770; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NKvcX17578 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:57:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.250]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1B00LFAE80KD@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Amusement at current "fashion" In-reply-to: <20020823145011.12350.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020823133837.04c5e6d0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020823000613.00cbfbd0@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:57:32 -0700 Status: RO My guess is that if this becomes an actual trend, and not just the latest attempt at producing one, all the big pattern companies will be picking it up. I'd wait till the fall and winter patterns come out, and start looking there. Their Halloween costume sections may be a help for this now, if you look at those costumes as historically-inspired clothes that won't frighten non-costumers with authenticity. OTOH, you will probably find accurate historical patterns, among the companies people on-list mention, that will really be historical and still work with non-costumers' ideas of office-wear, jackets especially. Somebody on-list was talking about wearing historical/historical-repro items, like jackets, with her jeans (I'd wear them with my jeans, you'd wear them with your skirts). A little looking should turn up historical shirtwaists, jackets, and capes that one could wear almost anywhere and nobody but a costumer would ever notice. My fashionable daughter wears 1950's and 1960s 'vintage' dresses regularly, like ones I wore when I was her age (she calls the clothes 'vintage', and me 'old'). >For some unknown reason, I ran across an article at >work describing the influences for this fall and >winter's "fashions" this week. > >In the office section I nearly had lunch all over the >monitor as they were claiming 1890's influence on >office wear this year! > >Now I can't see wearing a corset the way the article >was implying, but making some replica shirtwaists and >jackets would be lovely. The pictures on the sites I >went to so far were a bit smudgy on trying to see >details on some of the pieces, but I like the romantic >effect of the fabrics and lace in the shirts. I tend >to wear long full skirts most of the time anyways, >since I don't like the effect of 25 inch waist and 40 >inch hips in short skirts, so I don't really need to >make more, but a couple of nice 9 or 11 gored skirts >with the detailing would be fun. > >Any recommendations on where to look to draft patterns >for some of these--or purchased patterns I can look at >and make the alterations needed for my size? Or for >directions on how to get fine medium length hair into >some of those updo's? (it's about 5 inches shy of my >waist again *Finally*!) The shirts that I like the >most are the ones with what seem to be insets of lace, >or collars and other fun details, or the one with a >high neck, smooth undetailed yoke/body and leg of >mutton sleeves. They showed that one with a pretty >beaded capelet on the Premier Clothing site and I fell >in love with it. > >I have all these beads sitting around and some >organdy--maybe one of those pretty beaded >capelet/shawl things can be in my future too! > >Angharad >(hey look--it's something NOT medieval from me) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >http://finance.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 17:38:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30934 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:38:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NLe2OX004607; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NLe1X08721; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NLd0X08225 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host62-6-84-62.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.6.84.62] helo=dan) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17iM8w-0001g3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:38:59 +0100 Message-ID: <009201c24aed$e277c5c0$b92c7ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20020823071827.96000.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] History of school uniforms in UK? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:41:39 +0100 Status: RO Nicole wrote: > I must say I have been wondering when school uniforms actually started being > worn in England? I really don't have a clue, does anyone know? > Well, one of my daughter's best friends is a pupil at Christ's Hospital which was founded in 1552, when pupils were dressed similarly to the way apprentices were. The school now requires pupils to wear uniform, though fortunately not all the time, since the costume is almost unchanged from the 16th century. Up to and including the bright yellow stockings thought to be helpful in warding off the plague... I suppose that the clothing became a uniform when people other than pupils of the school stopped wearing it; there may be a parallel with nuns' habits. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 19:47:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31532 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:47:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NNn2OX012083; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NNn1X04112; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:F6q7ZVHBccXipoIT65VJZGw0pACoZeNK@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7NNmoX04030 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.249.181.21] (pool181-21.patriot.net [209.249.181.21]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7NNmlcC001432 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:48:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carol Kocian Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Shoes, Ren/Eliz Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:48:00 -0400 Status: RO Here's what a shoemaker friend of mine says about the marketability of Renaissance & Elizabethan repro shoes: Natty Elizabethan women's kicks need to be ballet-slipper-thin, delicate snow white, "tawed" [not tanned] goatskin "Spanish Leather"] uppers with lots of punch-work ["pinking"], made as a single-sole turnshoe, no heels, with "pantable" overshoes. Basically two shoes in one--"pantables" for outdoors [to and from the carriage only]. There are lots of nice surviving ones. You could stitch them on a home sewing machine, they're that thin. Anyway, one trip through the gravel parking lot, or through the mud to the Jiffy John, and they'd be ruined. But, when you're nobility, who cares you have millions, right? If it's made stout enough, they'll say it's not "genteel" enough for their persona. If they blow it out in a matter of days, they'll think it's crappy work. It's a no-win. I have to agree - nobility didn't slog around in the mud the way we do at events. I wonder - what did Queen Elizabeth wear when she made a progress? Did she walk on the ground? Obviously the purple moccasins are not correct, but there will need to be a compromise between style and sturdiness. -Carol > >What I really need to look for, however, is Elizabethan ones that >>don't look like some clunky servant's shoe copied in fancier >>materials. > >YES!! I simply don't understand why no one makes them. Here in the >US< we have 130+ Renn Faires, plus all the late period SCA >enthusiasts. I can personally attest that there are enough people >interested in Elizabethan costume to have bought hundreds of >patterns. There's an entire MAGAZINE for Rennaisance enthusiasts, >for heaven's sake. And not ONE craftsman makes an authentic >upperclass woman's shoe! > >I complained to one shoemaker about this , and she assured me that >she did too make them, and that I should go look at the shoes she >had made for the Queen at the Renn Faire we were attending. What I >saw were more or less American Indian style moccasins, adapted to a >latchet shoe shape, with a sole made of conveyer belt rubber, and >the uppers made out of a thick, pebbly textured leather, elk I >believe, in bright purple. Yuck! > >Okay, end of rant. I've heard that in Mexico, there are shoemakers >who will make anything to order. Has anyone tried this route for >period shoes? My brother in law is Mexican, and would help with the >language and bargaining. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 20:17:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31627 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:17:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O0J2OX013196; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O0J1X13831; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O0IMX13586 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:18:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust151.tnt6.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.239.243.151] helo=hppav) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17iOd9-0003Rk-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:18:20 -0400 Message-ID: <010201c24b04$53e0f7c0$97f3ef41@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Rules For Sewing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:22:25 -0500 Status: RO Wait a minute, if you're the Dianne and Greg I saw at Archon a few years ago you can't be a grandma. No wait dammit my daughter's 25, I could be a grandma!!! Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 20:26:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31677 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:26:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O0SBOX013567; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O0SBX16553; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O0RxX16483 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:27:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust151.tnt6.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.239.243.151] helo=hppav) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17iOmT-0001u3-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:27:57 -0400 Message-ID: <010c01c24b05$ac1e9400$97f3ef41@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] behind in e-mails Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:32:03 -0500 Status: RO You win Danielle, I was on vacation four days in August and still have 50+ digests of 10+ messages each to get thru. But I _can't_ delete them honey (to DH) I might miss something. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 20:30:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31695 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:30:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O0W1OX013742; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O0W1X17661; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O0VmX17597 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:31:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust151.tnt6.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.239.243.151] helo=hppav) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17iOqB-0000v4-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:31:47 -0400 Message-ID: <011401c24b06$3532bdc0$97f3ef41@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Gentileschi Exhibit at SLAM Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:35:53 -0500 Status: RO My sister and I went to the Art Museum today for this exhibit. Robin, you're right this is wonderful. Of course I found myself most interested in the clothing details visible as much as the works themselves. Genie too many centuries _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 20:52:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31746 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:52:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O0s1OX014624; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O0s0X23730; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O0rTX23593 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:53:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0564B10F218 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 769E710F0B9 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005101c24b08$9fe769c0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <010201c24b04$53e0f7c0$97f3ef41@hppav> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules For Sewing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:53:12 -0400 Status: RO I don't know what Archon is, so no, I don't think it was us. (And besides, my DH doesn't play.) But, unfortunately, though I have a 9 month old baby, I AM old enough to be a grandma---i'm 39, which is how old my own mom was when my oldest son was born. Brian is going to be 19 in a couple of weeks, so it's certainly a possibility. Hopefully still a long ways off, though! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genie" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: [h-cost] Rules For Sewing > Wait a minute, if you're the Dianne and Greg I saw at Archon a few years ago > you can't be a grandma. No wait dammit my daughter's 25, I could be a > grandma!!! > > Genie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 21:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31859 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:15:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O1H1OX015664; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O1H0X29908; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O1GXX29797 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:16:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gateway (ppp-208-171-196-239.01.promedia.net [208.171.196.239]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7O1GVO24580 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:16:31 -0700 Message-ID: <003001c24b0b$da52fb30$0100a8c0@gateway> From: "Joan Broneske" To: References: <20020823073204.42456.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <163c01c24a80$996e30c0$b16e4ed5@pavilion> <00b401c24acc$f7732ee0$0c0010ac@ANGELA> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:16:13 -0700 Status: RO > look at what was worn to the Academy Awards or any other function where > folks are making a 'statement' with their clothing, and that is as > historical (if current history) as that which flows from the past. Current history? Isn't that an oxymoron? I agree with Penny's definition of costume for the most part; however, using the definition of "that which has completed the fashion life cycle", then with today's fickle fashion, an outfit from six months ago could be considered "historical", which I find a bit of a stretch. Perhaps this should become just a general "costume" list and not be deemed "historical", as there would be more latitude for discussion without having to change or stretch the definition of "historical". I don't mean to be nit-picky, but it is a pet peeve of mine when definitions get "muddied". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela F. Lazear- Cabbage Rose" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? > I have to agree with Mel. I understand that much of what we do revolves > around recreating history, whether it be for "history's" sake as with > reenactors, or theater's sake in my case, but we here almost always stop to > look at what was worn to the Academy Awards or any other function where > folks are making a 'statement' with their clothing, and that is as > historical (if current history) as that which flows from the past. I > remember when my frocks as a girl were current, and now they are 50's > history and if I hadn't paid attention then (ok, well, I went back and > reviewed just a tad) I wouldn't be able to identify them in current > presentations. > > Penny's post really nailed it, when she was talking about costume being > about making an overall impression of the person. We all dress to say > something, (I may be overstating, but this list seems to be full of folks > who really put some thought into what they wear, if not everyday, whenever > they are in "costume" whatever era that might be, or any form of 'fancy > dress'). We humans dress to entertain, enlighten, shock, amuse, what have > you. That subtle personal "statement" is the intangible in dress. The > portion of each trend we individualize, and make our own. It is also fairly > evident in modern clothing that trends from the past are recycled, as in the > current "hippie_chic" that is being sold to our kids. It's feminine and was > my favorite thing about the late 60s early 70s. It's nice to see it return > to replace the straight cut boring stuff they were pushing the last few > years. It's all artistic expression and something we all feel passionate > about. Trends now are tomorrow's history. Not that I find most current > clothing worth discussion, but it can be related to the past, and we can > also postulate into the future. > > JMHO. Oh, and Teddy, I went to Catholic School for 11 years and ran away > senior year to wear minis and peasant blouses at a coed public school. YAY! > (Hate 'em, fought like a dog when my youngest girl was forced to wear them > when our public school got ridiculous about it. Led the charge of the non > conformists and my daughter started a trend of sign offs -- they can't make > you do it, after all, it's public school and there are no more uniforms. But > then, I was always a bit of a trouble maker) > > angela > +++++ > Angela F. Lazear > Cabbage Rose Costumes > Theatrical Costume Design > www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > "O! Swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon, > That monthly changes in her circled orb, > Lest that thy love prove likewise variable." > W. Shakespeare > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Melanie Wilson" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:39 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? > > > > >Anyone else try expressing themselves who's a native English speaker in a > > LEARNED language. > > > > Hey you do fine, half the time I don't understand what I say myself & I am > > native English :) But not a native writer as I'm dyslexic & written form > is > > not easy for me or natural, so I think I understand where you are coming > > from. > > > > Also there are misunderstanding between English English & US English, so > > please don't feel bad or frustrated :) > > > > Personally I think what we wear today is relevant to historic costuming, > > because all historic costume was once upto date wear, if not fashion wear, > > it can also be of interest in the development of styles > > > > Mel > > > > > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received > > it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose > > the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of > > this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the > > Company, unless specifically stated. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 22:27:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32144 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:27:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O2T2OX018970; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O2T1X19112; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O2SdX19012 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:28:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-46-5.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.46.5]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7O2Scb370178 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:28:38 -0400 Message-ID: <004801c24b16$093754a0$052eaf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <20020823073204.42456.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <163c01c24a80$996e30c0$b16e4ed5@pavilion> <00b401c24acc$f7732ee0$0c0010ac@ANGELA> <003001c24b0b$da52fb30$0100a8c0@gateway> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:29:12 -0700 Status: RO It wasn't my intention to reinvent the definition of history. I think we know what history is. I simply meant that since I would classify us as artists, it is often appropriate to discuss that which is evolving into history as it happens. To be aware of one's surroundings and the current trends of fashion can influence (and usually do) that which we create as historical. I don't want to belabor this or discuss definitions. I simply felt it appropriate to state that it is occasionally instructive to deviate from the specifics of something which is "historical" by definition to the discussion of that which is current. I also thought the original poster had inquired into what we personally felt costume was about. I had intended to share my opinion, not reinvent the wheel. This quibbling is growing a bit tiresome, so I won't post to this thread again. angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Broneske" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? > > look at what was worn to the Academy Awards or any other function where > > folks are making a 'statement' with their clothing, and that is as > > historical (if current history) as that which flows from the past. > > Current history? Isn't that an oxymoron? > > I agree with Penny's definition of costume for the most part; however, using > the definition of "that which has completed the fashion life cycle", then > with today's fickle fashion, an outfit from six months ago could be > considered "historical", which I find a bit of a stretch. > > Perhaps this should become just a general "costume" list and not be deemed > "historical", as there would be more latitude for discussion without having > to change or stretch the definition of "historical". I don't mean to be > nit-picky, but it is a pet peeve of mine when definitions get "muddied". > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angela F. Lazear- Cabbage Rose" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? > > > > I have to agree with Mel. I understand that much of what we do revolves > > around recreating history, whether it be for "history's" sake as with > > reenactors, or theater's sake in my case, but we here almost always stop > to > > look at what was worn to the Academy Awards or any other function where > > folks are making a 'statement' with their clothing, and that is as > > historical (if current history) as that which flows from the past. I > > remember when my frocks as a girl were current, and now they are 50's > > history and if I hadn't paid attention then (ok, well, I went back and > > reviewed just a tad) I wouldn't be able to identify them in current > > presentations. > > > > Penny's post really nailed it, when she was talking about costume being > > about making an overall impression of the person. We all dress to say > > something, (I may be overstating, but this list seems to be full of folks > > who really put some thought into what they wear, if not everyday, whenever > > they are in "costume" whatever era that might be, or any form of 'fancy > > dress'). We humans dress to entertain, enlighten, shock, amuse, what > have > > you. That subtle personal "statement" is the intangible in dress. The > > portion of each trend we individualize, and make our own. It is also > fairly > > evident in modern clothing that trends from the past are recycled, as in > the > > current "hippie_chic" that is being sold to our kids. It's feminine and > was > > my favorite thing about the late 60s early 70s. It's nice to see it > return > > to replace the straight cut boring stuff they were pushing the last few > > years. It's all artistic expression and something we all feel passionate > > about. Trends now are tomorrow's history. Not that I find most current > > clothing worth discussion, but it can be related to the past, and we can > > also postulate into the future. > > > > JMHO. Oh, and Teddy, I went to Catholic School for 11 years and ran away > > senior year to wear minis and peasant blouses at a coed public school. > YAY! > > (Hate 'em, fought like a dog when my youngest girl was forced to wear them > > when our public school got ridiculous about it. Led the charge of the non > > conformists and my daughter started a trend of sign offs -- they can't > make > > you do it, after all, it's public school and there are no more uniforms. > But > > then, I was always a bit of a trouble maker) > > > > angela > > +++++ > > Angela F. Lazear > > Cabbage Rose Costumes > > Theatrical Costume Design > > www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > > "O! Swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon, > > That monthly changes in her circled orb, > > Lest that thy love prove likewise variable." > > W. Shakespeare > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Melanie Wilson" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is Costume? > > > > > > > >Anyone else try expressing themselves who's a native English speaker in > a > > > LEARNED language. > > > > > > Hey you do fine, half the time I don't understand what I say myself & I > am > > > native English :) But not a native writer as I'm dyslexic & written form > > is > > > not easy for me or natural, so I think I understand where you are coming > > > from. > > > > > > Also there are misunderstanding between English English & US English, so > > > please don't feel bad or frustrated :) > > > > > > Personally I think what we wear today is relevant to historic costuming, > > > because all historic costume was once upto date wear, if not fashion > wear, > > > it can also be of interest in the development of styles > > > > > > Mel > > > > > > > > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received > > > it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose > > > the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of > > > this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the > > > Company, unless specifically stated. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 23:48:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32399 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:48:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O3o5OX022248; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O3o0X10197; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O3n3X09859 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A2FE140A02A4; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:52:30 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c24b21$12c80ea0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <010201c24b04$53e0f7c0$97f3ef41@hppav> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules For Sewing X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:48:12 -0400 Status: RO My son is 25 and I am a Grandma! I hope to be blessed with dozens of grand-daughters from my five sons. I cursed them all! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 23:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32403 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:48:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O3oOOX022259; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:50:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O3oOX10333; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:50:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O3nbX10041 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2030.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.30]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23323 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:49:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3D67003E.590DB766@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shoes, Ren/Eliz References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:40:46 -0400 Status: RO Hi. There are a pair of rather sturdy looking buskins (boots) in a museum in England that are attributed to Queen Elizabeth. (I think they are the Northampton Leathercraft Museum, but perhaps not) I am afraid of all generalizations about anything, especially something as near and dear to my heart as footwear, one of my historical bugaboos. If you are doing Rennie, who cares? If you are looking to be historically accurate, yes, you can do Cordovan shoes, but I'm sure the soles were made to last somewhat more than a trip to the loo. There were regulations against mixing leather types, so the soles would also be tawed, not the best preservation method. These would have probably been worn indoors, and removed for street wear. Mules, or various other forms of overshoe streetwear could also have been worn, but this does not mean that every upper class lady or gent would have forsaken well-made sensible shoes. If you want to get well-made shoes, talk to Sarah Juniper in England. They will cost you, but will be spot-on historically accurate. There are other folks out there whose websites you might want to investigate (insert plugs here by historically minded folks). Be careful of any modern shoemaker that will make "to-order", even in Mexico. Most of them have to be taught period technique, or else they will make modern shoes with a "period" look. BTW, not all late 16th Cent. shoes were turnsoles. Techniques of shoemaking had evolved from the earlier periods to include randed and welted footwear (ref Artifacts from Wrecks Oxbow Monograph #84 pp 110-120 "Footwear and other Artifacts from the wreck of a 16th Cent. Basque Galleon" by Stephen Davis). If you need other info, please send me a note personally. Cheers, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 23:55:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32429 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:55:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O3v1OX022554; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O3v0X11965; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta01-srv.alltel.net (mta01.alltel.net [166.102.165.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O3uYX11861 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:56:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shamah ([162.40.192.239]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20020824035633.GFJU19665.mta01-srv.alltel.net@shamah> for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:56:33 -0500 From: "Jamie Zdziarski" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Rules For Sewing Message-ID: <018f01c24b21$a687b230$0300000a@shamah> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <001f01c24b21$12c80ea0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:52:21 -0400 Status: RO (de-lurking) I just turned 25 and I have given my parents 3 grandbabies already LOL....4,2 and 1...aren't they wonderful ("as long as you can send them home with momma" LOL that's what my parents say) (return to lurking) Jamie My son is 25 and I am a Grandma! I hope to be blessed with dozens of grand-daughters from my five sons. I cursed them all! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 23:57:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32436 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:57:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O3x1OX022634; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O3x0X12479; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03ps.bigpond.com (mta03ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O3w0X12239 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.84]) by mta03ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta03ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H1BXNC00.9FE for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:57:12 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.123 ([203.54.114.123]) by psmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 110/1431549); 24 Aug 2002 13:57:07 Message-ID: <3D67F4A2.E514BA68@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Uniforms, References: <53F864816FC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:03:30 -0700 Status: RO Teddy wrote: > > > As an exercise in discipline, it is probably useful and may be > > > helpful at building character. > > > > And what is it Calvin says about building character? > > Calvin (dressed as his father and speaking to his father: "Calvin, > go do something you hate! Being miserable builds character!" > > I used to have that cartoon pinned up above my desk in the library. > That's the one.... Claire (We have all the Calvin and Hobbes books I think) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 23 23:57:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32440 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:57:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O3x4OX022645; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O3x3X12503; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta01ps.bigpond.com (mta01ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O3waX12351 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:58:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.84]) by mta01ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta01ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H1BXPG00.D7H for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:58:28 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.123 ([203.54.114.123]) by psmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 110/1432489); 24 Aug 2002 13:58:23 Message-ID: <3D67F4EE.B686021E@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Man's overcoat References: <53F252C54F6@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:04:46 -0700 Status: RO Teddy wrote: > > Well now I feel slightly embarrassed. I had considered the 'fastening > > the underflap' option and dismissed it because there were only two > > small buttons and three large button holes for fasteniong the coat. > > However yesterday I noticed that there are in fact three small > > buttons. My excuse it that on the left inside which is the one I > > normally look at, one of the small buttons has been replaced by a > > large one the same as the outside buttons and I had always assumed it > > was a spare. Yesterday I saw there are three small buttons on the > > right inside. Their position corresponds almost exactly to the large > > outer buttons, but they are only sewn to the lining not all the way > > through, so I think they are for fastening the inside flap. Too bad, I > > was hoping it was something really interesting and bizarre. > > It might also be that the current big buttons on the outside were > replacements for the originals (perhaps some came off and were > lost, and none that matched could be found so all of them were > replaced) and whoever replaced them didn't knwo to sew through > all layers and into the smaller buttons inside to re-enfoce them... > and they piut one of the big buttons on the inside instead of the > small ones in order to be there as a spare should it be needed > > OK. So that's stretching it a bit, but it's possible. > You could be right actually, as the the current outside buttons have a very hand sewn look, and there are a few other repairs to the coat. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 00:02:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32464 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:02:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O441OX022858; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O440X13703; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06ps.bigpond.com (mta06ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.138]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O43JX13556 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:03:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.84]) by mta06ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H1BXX900.7LR for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:03:09 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.123 ([203.54.114.123]) by psmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 110/1436110); 24 Aug 2002 14:03:03 Message-ID: <3D67F606.2A266DAC@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cross-dressing soldiers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:09:26 -0700 Status: RO Chris Laning wrote: > At 9:01 PM -0400 8/21/02, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > > This shows up in other contexts besides military, too. I can't tell > you what a high proportion of women play "widows" or unmarried women > at, for instance, the Renaissance faires I've worked at. And somehow > they all manage to be self-supporting, to have their own businesses > as printers, scribes, musicians, et cetera..... not at all impossible > for a woman to do at that time, but definitely unusual. > I don't think it was that unusual. Certainly it was common enough for women in the middle ages to have their own businesses for there to be laws about it, and submissions to guilds for women to continue their husbands businesses after their death, and other suchlike things. I've seen estimates that put the female to male ratio in certain German towns in the 15th century at 1200:1000. That's quite a few single or widowed women. Not a majority admittedly, but I think the middle ages was a lot more practical about women earning a living than the Victorians were. > While I support everyone's right to make their own choices, perhaps a > suitable rallying cry would be "Re-enact the NORM!" > It has a nice sort of ring to it, don't you think? .... > -- > There used to be a cartoon character on the telly here called Norm. He was a big fat slob who sat in front of the telly all day watching sport (he was part of an advertising campaign to try and get more people to go out and play sport). Perhaps re-enacting Norm would be more apt for the people Mel is complaining about trying to pass themselves off as mediaeval soldiers *grin* Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 00:05:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32476 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:05:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O471OX022969; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O470X14556; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03ps.bigpond.com (mta03ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O461X14261 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.84]) by mta03ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta03ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H1BY1R00.5W2 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:05:51 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.123 ([203.54.114.123]) by psmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 110/1438250); 24 Aug 2002 14:05:46 Message-ID: <3D67F6AA.CAD2405B@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:12:10 -0700 Status: RO Kate M Bunting wrote: > Personally I have no problem with school uniforms; my only complaint was that our summer dresses were always behind the fashion. We were still wearing ones with a fitted waist in the 60s when the "A-line" was universal; eventually they changed the design, only to have fitted waists come back into fashion a few years later! > They have a kind of universal dress style for summer uniforms here. It's a kind of tunic dress, usually made of some sort of checked material. The school girls (at least at the schools where they don't have fixed hem lengths) wear them very long or very short according to what's in fashion. I hated them because they looked like a sack, and after a couple of years they gradually became more and more see through... Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 01:11:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00341 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:11:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O5A2OX025414; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O5A1X29306; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt4.ihug.co.nz (grunt4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O59YX29192 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:09:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p129-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.206.129] by grunt4.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17iTAw-0007Yo-00; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:09:30 +1200 Message-ID: <008201c24b2c$73ccc8c0$81ceadcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020823085121.76153.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Britney was [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:09:40 +1200 Status: RO > > You mean that Hit is slang for F***? > > Well, a euphemism, yes... :) Slang, it's not meant to be a nice way of saying something:) > I find it more disconcerting to think that she's > asking for a punch personally.... Well if it was simply make love to me or kiss me as you suggested, then yeah it is more worrying. Except it's not. Love has nothing to do with what she was singing about. > Physical...perhaps, brutal...not necessarily. It > depends on your interpretation. It's just a > euphemism....it could just as easily be a euphemism > for "kiss".... I really don't think so... Hit, as a word word not have been chosen for any soft conotation. Hit is a brutal word. I'm not saying she's asking for rape.. but it's definately not at the romantic end of the spectrum either. > Confusing or not, if she is singing about sex, no > matter how "physical", surely that is less worrying > than her asking for a punch? Of course sex is a > worrying topic for many people.... Sex, no. A F**** yes. And again, the market audience are preteens. Personally I find the violence that is allowed to be seen by a young audience far more disconcerting than the ridiculously silly soft porn that has an R18 smacked on it. Sex is not the issue, it's how it's being protrayed in the music videos. > PS...two of my sisters *were molested* at a very young > age way back when this style of dressing was not an > issue. I hope you understand where I'm coming from in > saying it's nuts to blame her style of dressing for > children being ogled and worse. Young children have > been preyed upon for a very long time, and it didn't > require provocative clothing to do it.... It's not what I was saying. You can't say 80 year old women in their nighties up to the necks ask for it either. But there really is a point where if you not only dress in a way that you know is provocative, but act and speak about having sex simply because you want it.. then you do need to ask why? Why so many 'artists' choose to manipulate and be manipulated. Money yeah.. but why the desperation for it at any cost? > And now that I've gone completely OT....can anyone > think of another instance in historical costuming > where a particular style of clothing was denounced > because it made men think lewd thoughts...or worse? > I'll bet we all can. :) I think it's not so much about lewd thoughts as taking the idea of a prepubescent girl and making her a sexual object. It's probably not the first time in history that a prefertile shape is concidered the ideal.. but I can't really think of many at the top of my head. Even the boyish 1920s shape was somewhat more mature than modern ideals. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 01:26:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00397 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:26:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O5P1OX025863; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O5P0X02876; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O5OtX02844 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:24:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A97723E30274; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:28:23 -0500 Message-ID: <009d01c24b2e$64d2a360$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20020823145011.12350.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Ball Fashions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:23:34 -0400 Status: RO After attending the first ball last Saturday night, I saw such a hodge-podge of historic fashions being reflected. As for the women in their 20s-early 30s, I saw a lot of corset looking bodices with fabric lacing up the back and full skirts. Most bodices were boned for all age groups. See what Katherine Zeta Jones started at the Oscars. The women in their 40s-50s wore a large variety of fashion influenced by different time periods. One woman had on a retro white cotton Victorian gown, with the large ruffle at the bottom. These were popular a couple of years back. It looked more like a tea dress to me instead of a ball gown. You could see a definite influence of late 1940s/50s ball gowns with the netted shirts and fitted boned bodices. I saw a lot of very low cowl necks in evening gowns... this was popular with the Palm Beach group that was at the Ball. One woman had an off the shoulders ruched bodice to the hips and a flowing gown... very lovely. It look kinda like of the Diana auction gowns. I did see some vintage looking 60s cocktail dresses. Some played with directional stripes, and one that stood out to me was a 60s sheath dress that was white and had black lace fitted over it. Fontaine, the hostess, wore a gown from Tiffany's that had a heavy medieval flare to it with a large round train. One of the cutest things I saw were purses that two ladies had. They were fluffy feathered round boxes that hung from a corded hand strap. So the purses swung as they carried them. When on their hand, it looked like they were carrying a ball of feathers. One feathered purse was shocking pink and had a black feathers scattered here and there. It was so cute. They said they bought them locally. I just have to find me one... maybe a variety of them! My 10 y.o. daughter's gown was a late 1980/early 1990s prom dress with a slight bustle/large bow on the back. It also had an overskirt to the knees. Everyone fell in love with it. Looking at the photos, I can see a heavy bustle era reflected in it. The guests thought it was something brand new and that I had someone design it... LOLL!!! One of my thrift store finds from a few years ago. At the Red Cross Ball, Monday night, it was a completely different group. The first ball was the upper crust of society. The Red Cross Ball, the general public was invited. I didn't see a lot of higher-end evening gowns. The first ball was like a fashion parade. Susan, my asst. is working on making webpages with photos of our gowns on them. I will let you know when she finishes them. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 01:35:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00421 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:35:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O5Y1OX026274; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O5Y1X05125; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O5XPX04974 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:33:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.193.17] (as-5-31.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.17]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7O5XMK16442 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D67F606.2A266DAC@bigpond.com> References: <3D67F606.2A266DAC@bigpond.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cross-dressing soldiers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:28:19 -0700 Status: RO At 2:09 PM -0700 8/24/02, Claire Clarke wrote: >Chris Laning wrote: > >> At 9:01 PM -0400 8/21/02, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >> >> >> This shows up in other contexts besides military, too. I can't tell >> you what a high proportion of women play "widows" or unmarried women >> at, for instance, the Renaissance faires I've worked at. And somehow >> they all manage to be self-supporting, to have their own businesses >> as printers, scribes, musicians, et cetera..... not at all impossible >> for a woman to do at that time, but definitely unusual. >> > >I don't think it was that unusual. Certainly it was common enough for >women in the middle ages to have their own businesses for there to be laws >about it, and submissions to guilds for women to continue their husbands >businesses after their death, and other suchlike things. > I've seen estimates that put the female to male ratio in certain >German towns in the 15th century at 1200:1000. That's quite a few single >or widowed women. Not a majority admittedly, but I think the middle >ages was a lot more practical about women earning a living than the >Victorians were. In my continuing function of "obscure reference librarian to H-Costume" :) I recommend the collection: Bennett, Judith M. & Amy M. Froide eds.. 1999. Singlewomen in the European Past 1250-1800. Univerisy of Pennsylvania Press, Philadelphia. ISBN 0-8122-1668-7 Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 01:51:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00473 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:51:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O5o2OX026745; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O5o1X08436; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O5nRX08304 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:49:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-0ccsjoa.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.79.10] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17iTna-0007FQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:49:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3D671DBA.D1FAB428@earthlink.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shoes, Ren/Eliz References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: perronnelle@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:46:34 -0500 Status: RO Carol Kocian wrote: > I have to agree - nobility didn't slog around in the mud the way > we do at events. I wonder - what did Queen Elizabeth wear when she > made a progress? Did she walk on the ground? Obviously the purple > moccasins are not correct, but there will need to be a compromise > between style and sturdiness. Pattens, perhaps? --Charlene -- It is not so much our friends' help that help us as the confident knowledge that they will help us. --Epicurus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 04:57:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22066 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 04:57:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O8x3OX002470; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 02:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O8x1X15789; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 02:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f232.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.232]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O8wxX15770 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 02:58:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:58:53 -0700 Received: from 63.12.14.18 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:58:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.12.14.18] From: "Rebecca Anderson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] Shoes, Ren/Eliz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2002 08:58:53.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[78D33320:01C24B4C] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:28:53 +0930 Status: RO Hello I, amazingly, found myself some quite serviceable shoes localy (Adelaide, South Australia), for this time period. I paid AU$9 for them. They look like this: http://www.pillagedvillage.com/pvonline/CC_700L.html You can also get them in velvet http://www.pillagedvillage.com/pvonline/CC_700V.html My first pair lasted well over a year (and thats wearing them for an entire winter as indoor shoes). I got new ones this week. Rebecca. Carol wrote: Here's what a shoemaker friend of mine says about the marketability of Renaissance & Elizabethan repro shoes: Natty Elizabethan women's kicks need to be ballet-slipper-thin, delicate snow white, "tawed" [not tanned] goatskin "Spanish Leather"] uppers with lots of punch-work ["pinking"], made as a single-sole turnshoe, no heels, with "pantable" overshoes. Basically two shoes in one--"pantables" for outdoors [to and from the carriage only]. There are lots of nice surviving ones. You could stitch them on a home sewing machine, they're that thin. Anyway, one trip through the gravel parking lot, or through the mud to the Jiffy John, and they'd be ruined. But, when you're nobility, who cares you have millions, right? If it's made stout enough, they'll say it's not "genteel" enough for their persona. If they blow it out in a matter of days, they'll think it's crappy work. It's a no-win. I have to agree - nobility didn't slog around in the mud the way we do at events. I wonder - what did Queen Elizabeth wear when she made a progress? Did she walk on the ground? Obviously the purple moccasins are not correct, but there will need to be a compromise between style and sturdiness. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 05:38:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA22174 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 05:38:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7O9e2OX003630; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 03:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7O9e1X22091; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 03:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40309.mail.yahoo.com (web40309.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7O9dfX22002 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 03:39:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020824093936.47334.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.1.14.115] by web40309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:39:36 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?marcus=20findlay-arthur?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Gates of hell Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:39:36 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I too read this description 30 years ago.The one book I could not even hazard a guess to - small grey clothbound pocket book on basic costume,hardcover,printed in the 60's.The other was a soft cover with bottle green & crinolines on the cover,mainly black and white illustrations that I bought in the 70's.Am pretty sure I ran into a copy at one of the second hand stores here a couple of weeks ago or a reprint at Waterstones.If you're interested I can follow up for you when I'm next in town,probably Tuesday? Marcus/Mangal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 06:21:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22298 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:21:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OAL2OX004670; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 04:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OAL0X03193; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 04:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OAKpX03119 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 04:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AED410880278; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 05:24:20 -0500 Message-ID: <014201c24b57$1327ab40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] 1910 Menswear Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:14:47 -0400 Status: RO Here is a sneak peek at some of the fashion plates from the 1910 menswear catalog: http://www.costumegallery.com/1910/Men/Suits/Coats.htm Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 06:24:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22306 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:24:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OAQ2OX004804; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 04:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OAQ0X04235; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 04:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OAPcX04134 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 04:25:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCE320A71 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D29C2097B for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ae01c24b58$8b2e0750$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <018f01c24b21$a687b230$0300000a@shamah> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules For Sewing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:25:18 -0400 Status: RO I have five sons as well, Penny! My dad says I am relieved from any further obligation to provide with him with grandchildren. (He and his wife have 16 grandchildren now, and only 2 are girls!) Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Zdziarski" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 11:52 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Rules For Sewing > (de-lurking) > > I just turned 25 and I have given my parents 3 grandbabies already > LOL....4,2 and 1...aren't they wonderful ("as long as you can send them > home with momma" LOL that's what my parents say) > > (return to lurking) > Jamie > > My son is 25 and I am a Grandma! I hope to be blessed with dozens of > grand-daughters from my five sons. I cursed them all! > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > _ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 06:43:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22345 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:43:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OAj2OX005307; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 04:45:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OAj1X08093; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 04:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OAipX08041 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 04:44:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A47417660266; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 05:48:20 -0500 Message-ID: <014901c24b5a$644860c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <018f01c24b21$a687b230$0300000a@shamah> <00ae01c24b58$8b2e0750$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules For Sewing X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:38:31 -0400 Status: RO Dianne, So I guess you really appreciate pretty bathrooms too. Living with a housefull of guys... you just don't have pretty bathrooms. My daughter, child #6, just freaked out over the beautiful ladies room at the Country Club Ball. It had a beautiful lounge in it with chaise lounge chairs and loads of fresh flowers. She asked the men at the ball was their restroom that beautiful! One of our television newsmen finally told her what it looked like in the men's restroom. She was a hoot! We actually took lots of photos of our gowns in the ladies room because of all the beautiful mirrors. We could get front and back views of our gowns in one photo. They turned out great! BTW, if anyone ever want to try this photo trick, take the photo at an angle so you do not get the flash in the mirror. While in the ladies room, we rested for about 30 minutes on the nice chairs. That is where we really got to talk with all the other ladies about their gowns. We also helped adjust their gowns... we can't help it... both of us do pro dressing. We wanted everyone to look their best. We could be the Joan and Melissa Rivers of the Ladies Room. LIVE reporting for the Ladies Room at the Country Club of Virginia! Well, everyone has to start somewhere! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 07:04:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22396 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:04:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OB62OX005942; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 05:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OB60X12011; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 05:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OB5aX11948 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 05:05:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992142041E for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 239B3204D9 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <020e01c24b5e$1a7e0270$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <018f01c24b21$a687b230$0300000a@shamah> <00ae01c24b58$8b2e0750$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> <014901c24b5a$644860c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules For Sewing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:05:00 -0400 Status: RO I just appreciate a bathroom where the toilet seats are down!!! ( A small price to pay for being surrounded every day by handsome men who love me...) Dianne who will not be HAVING child #6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rules For Sewing > Dianne, > > So I guess you really appreciate pretty bathrooms too. Living with a > housefull of guys... you just don't have pretty bathrooms. My daughter, > child #6, just freaked out over the beautiful ladies room at the Country > Club Ball. It had a beautiful lounge in it with chaise lounge chairs and > loads of fresh flowers. She asked the men at the ball was their restroom > that beautiful! One of our television newsmen finally told her what it > looked like in the men's restroom. She was a hoot! > > We actually took lots of photos of our gowns in the ladies room because of > all the beautiful mirrors. We could get front and back views of our gowns > in one photo. They turned out great! BTW, if anyone ever want to try this > photo trick, take the photo at an angle so you do not get the flash in the > mirror. > > While in the ladies room, we rested for about 30 minutes on the nice chairs. > That is where we really got to talk with all the other ladies about their > gowns. We also helped adjust their gowns... we can't help it... both of us > do pro dressing. We wanted everyone to look their best. > > We could be the Joan and Melissa Rivers of the Ladies Room. LIVE reporting > for the Ladies Room at the Country Club of Virginia! Well, everyone has to > start somewhere! > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 08:54:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22733 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:54:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OCu2OX008644; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OCu0X03682; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20201.mail.yahoo.com (web20201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.56]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7OCsxX03429 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:54:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020824125458.76472.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.96.182.165] by web20201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 05:54:58 PDT From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <008201c24b2c$73ccc8c0$81ceadcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] OT: Re: Britney Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: angela@ivyharp.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 05:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO "Hit me baby one more time" Maybe she's singing about sex, maybe she's singing about violence - but maybe she's just singing about playing blackjack. ;) -Angela Okay, so I've never heard the whole song and don't know whether that might really hold up. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 08:57:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22740 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:57:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OCx1OX008718; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OCx0X04385; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20202.mail.yahoo.com (web20202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7OCwuX04366 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:58:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020824125855.55938.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.96.182.165] by web20202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 05:58:55 PDT From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <008201c24b2c$73ccc8c0$81ceadcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: Britney Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: angela@ivyharp.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 05:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO P.S. joke, not quibbling, in case I forgot to wink ;) -Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 09:54:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22905 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:54:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ODu3OX010213; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ODu1X16764; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (smtp.netins.net [167.142.225.202]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ODt9X16550 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:55:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [167.142.12.44] (HELO hppav) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 135170218 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:55:08 -0500 Message-ID: <00fb01c24b75$41a849c0$2c0c8ea7@hppav> From: "Land of Oz" To: References: <20020824125458.76472.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:50:49 -0500 Status: RO > "Hit me baby one more time" > > Maybe she's singing about sex, maybe she's singing > about violence - but maybe she's just singing about > playing blackjack. ;) > My kids are under the impression that the song lyrics say "KISS me baby one more time" I don't know which is correct, and I'm not interested enough to do a web search, but I know I am not going to correct them. :-) I agree completely about the fashions for pre-teens. I've been complaining for 3 years already. I've solved it by making simple things like dresses with decent hems, shorts that aren't swallowed by juvenile plumbers' crack and skirts that fit a waist, not hips. All of these are paired up with plain tee shirts in cool colors and regular cut denim jeans. To make this costume related, my 8 y.o. daughter is impressed enough with my sewing that she wants me to make a complete princess-with-pointy-hat outfit for Halloween. :-D Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 11:01:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23166 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:01:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OF32OX012604; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OF31X03977; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40202.mail.yahoo.com (web40202.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.63]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7OF2OX03861 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:02:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020824150219.69657.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.197.24.216] by web40202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:02:19 PDT From: Tasha McGann To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020824001900.13820.79971.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: ulrich von L. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO > I can't remember off the top of my head whether it > was Ulrich von Lichtenstein or someone else who dressed as Venus -- The Manesse Codex portrays Urich with an elaborate crest on his helm... the crest is a three-quarters 3-D image of Venus, complete with a short lance (an arrow?) in her right hand, and a fiery torch in her left. The rest of him is dressed quite properly in armor and his own heraldry. In the section below his horse's hooves, two demons engage in playful (or malicious?) battle. I'm guessing this could symbolize Ulrich as someone known for his mischievious antics. The crest appears to be a flamboyant nod to Venus as the symbol of feminine love conquering the male heart. Michael Camille, in _The Medieval Art of Love_, posits that tourneys feminized men because they adorned themselves (like women do) to be noticed. The people noticing them were predominantly women, and thus these knights' masculinity was diluted some degree by these feminine gazes. He mentions contemporary churchmen complaining about this emmasculation of men through their showing at tourneys, but he's not specific about where he gets the source. Two possibilities mentioned in his source list are: _Constructing Medieval Sexuality_, Kkarma Lochrie, Pedggy McCracken, James A. Schultz, eds., Minnesota, 1997 and _City, Marriage, Tournament: Arts of Rule in Late Medieval Scotland_, Louise Olga Fradenburg, Madison, WI, 1991. Tasha __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 13:04:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23768 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:04:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OH67OX016420; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OH60X01412; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OH54X01193 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24832 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:07:14 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gates of hell In-Reply-To: <20020824093936.47334.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:07:14 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] marcus findlay-arthur wrote: > The other was a soft cover with bottle green & crinolines on the > cover,mainly black and white illustrations that I bought in the > 70's.Am pretty sure I ran into a copy at one of the second hand stores > here a couple of weeks ago or a reprint at Waterstones.If you're > interested I can follow up for you when I'm next in town,probably > Tuesday? That would be great. What I'm looking for is: -- a citation for any costume book that uses the "Gates of Hell" reference -- the exact quote or reference -- citation information on the quote, if given. If you can just point me to a book that has the quote, I can pursue the rest myself. Or, if anyone has the book and is willing to check it out for me, it'll save me some library hunting (and maybe be of interest to the list). Thanks! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 13:06:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23776 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:06:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OH81OX016510; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OH80X01921; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OH7UX01792 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:07:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OH1pci025202 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:01:52 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: ulrich von L. German text for illo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <20020824150219.69657.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:12:45 -0700 Status: RO One thing to remember about the Manesse Codex is that it isn't _just_ a picture book. It also has text that describes the illustration. This is one reason why I'm really pleased with my modern copy (not a facimile because only the pictures are reproductions, the text is printed in reasonably modernized German). Granted I don't speak or read German, but I have a friend who does. In the meantime, for those who either do read, or have such friends: (note, I don't put in umlauts so I use the ie/oe/ae instead. Taf. means picture or illustration number ...) Also, the little fibures under the horses feet seem to be some kind of lake spirits rather than devils. The church wouldn't see a difference, but..) "Ueber Ulrichs Leben sind wir neben urkundlichen Zeugnissen vor allem durch seinen autobiographischen Versroman >>Frauendienst<< (um 1255) gut unterrichtet. Er war be Judenburg nordwestlich von Graz in der Steiermark beheimatet und wurde um 1200 geboren. Nach seiner im >>Frauendienst<< geschilderten Venusfahrt von Mestre in Venentien ueber Kaernten bis Niederoesterreich bekleidete er als Truchess, Landmarschall und Landrichter wichtige Aemter in seiner Heimat. Im Januar 1275 is er gestorben. Ulrichs Lieder, die fast alle auch in seinem >>Frauendienst<< stehen, lassen zwar Reinmar den Alten (Taf. 37), Walther von der Vogelweide (Taf. 45) und Gottfried Neifen (Taffel 17) als Vorbilder erkennen, beweisen aber seine Eigenstaendigkeit in Stil und Form, die wiederum juengere Zeitgenossen beeinflusst hat. Wie auf den vergleichbaren Reiterbildern der Handschrift (Taf. 44, 53 und 60) ist Ulrich auf galoppierendem Pferd in praechtiger Ruestung dargestellt. Die heraldischen Farben und Kennzeichen beherrschen das Bild, die blaurotgoldenen Wappenfarben von Kuvertuere, Rock und Schild kehren auch im Rautenmuster des Rahmens wieder. Doch in der Variation der Bildformel gibt der Maler wichtige Aufschluesse. Gruene Wellenlinien im unteren Bildteil, ueber die das Pferd dahinsprengt, stellen das Meer dar, das von Fischen und menschenaehnlichen Unholden bevolkert is, die sich mit Waffen bekaempfen. Sie verkoerpern das Element des Boesen - wie schon be der Seefahrt Friedrichs von Hausen (taf. 41). Ulrich selbst hat sich als Frau Venus verkleidet und - wie er es der Ritterschaft per Brief in seinem >>Frauendienst<< verkuendete -- bei Mestre aus dem Meer erhoben. Der Maler hat ihm zwar keine Venus, kein >>nacket kint<< als Zimier auf den goldenen Helm gesetzt, sondern die Figur der Frau Minne, >>von golde ein stra^le in einer hant, und in der andern is ein brant<<. Aber auch so war fuer jeden Betrachter der Bezug zur >>Koenigin Venus<< deutlich ausgesprochen. Ulrich ist bestens fuer die bevorstehenden Turnier geruestet, zu denen er die Ritterschaft fast marktschreierisch herausfordert. Die gruene Pferdedecke - Gruen ist Symbol des Fruehlings und der Fruede - und der Schellenschmuck, der einst nur Kaisern vorbehalten war, strahlen die Siegesgwissheit des Ritters aus. Der Wappenschild an der linken Achsel ist unter rotem Schildhaupt dreimal von Gold und Blau gesparrt. Derselbe Schild kommt noch sechsmal auf der Pferdedecke und einmal auf dem Wappenkleid vor. Ulrich selbst dagegen beschreibt sein Wappen mit zwei schwarzen Schraegbalken in Silver." Behalf Of Tasha McGann wrote, while replying to someone else's post: > I can't remember off the top of my head whether it > was Ulrich von Lichtenstein or someone else who dressed as Venus -- The Manesse Codex portrays Urich with an elaborate crest on his helm... the crest is a three-quarters 3-D image of Venus, complete with a short lance (an arrow?) in her right hand, and a fiery torch in her left. The rest of him is dressed quite properly in armor and his own heraldry. In the section below his horse's hooves, two demons engage in playful (or malicious?) battle. I'm guessing this could symbolize Ulrich as someone known for his mischievious antics. The crest appears to be a flamboyant nod to Venus as the symbol of feminine love conquering the male heart. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 13:47:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23988 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:47:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OHn2OX017976; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OHn1X11649; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.boston.juno.com (m28.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7OHm2X11394 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWsA3/5Y65IgNiqb0eM6r6EQsY4HX/5OgmA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id HAZC34D4; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:47:43 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shoes, Ren/Eliz Message-ID: <20020824.134741.-150223.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 9-11 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:51:59 -0400 Status: RO I made myself a pair of slightly earlier than Elizabethan shoes from suede. It was soft suede that I got by taking an old jacket apart. I have worn those shoes in the rain, mud, dry heat and inside and outside at events for the year I have been in SCA. They were made with pointed toes and the toes are showing the worst wear from being scuffed (I don't walk properly all of the time). And my feet are sore from walking on acorns in the fall, but the shoes have held together well. I am planning an Elizabethan gown and will make shoes more proper for the period from more suede. Overshoes would be a decided comfort plus in rough terrain. It is amazing how well something so flimsy feeling can hold up. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 16:44:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24802 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:44:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OKk3OX025296; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OKk1X22408; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OKjKX22281 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.62] (as3-4-76.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.62]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7OKjJK24530 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020824150219.69657.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020824150219.69657.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: [h-cost] Re: ulrich von L. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:25:37 -0700 Status: RO At 8:02 AM -0700 8/24/02, Tasha McGann wrote: > > I can't remember off the top of my head whether it >> was Ulrich von Lichtenstein or someone else who >dressed as Venus -- > >The Manesse Codex portrays Urich with an elaborate >crest on his helm... the crest is a three-quarters 3-D >image of Venus, complete with a short lance (an >arrow?) in her right hand, and a fiery torch in her >left. The rest of him is dressed quite properly in >armor and his own heraldry. In the section below his >horse's hooves, two demons engage in playful (or >malicious?) battle. I'm guessing this could symbolize >Ulrich as someone known for his mischievious antics. >The crest appears to be a flamboyant nod to Venus as >the symbol of feminine love conquering the male heart. > > >Michael Camille, in _The Medieval Art of Love_, posits >that tourneys feminized men because they adorned >themselves (like women do) to be noticed. The people >noticing them were predominantly women, and thus these >knights' masculinity was diluted some degree by these >feminine gazes. He mentions contemporary churchmen >complaining about this emmasculation of men through >their showing at tourneys, but he's not specific about >where he gets the source. Two possibilities mentioned >in his source list are: My reaction to reading just about everything Michael Camille has written is, "What fascinating data and what a peculiar interpretation to put on it". Male adornment can only be "feminizing" if one takes as an assumption that the concept of adornment is inherently feminine (a concept commonly contradicted by animal display). My impression has been that the cultural focus on associating clothing display specifically with women is largely a phenomenon of the last few centuries (although I believe there was an earlier trend of blaming women more heavily for vanity than men were -- even when both displayed it). Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 18:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25522 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:38:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OMe2OX000107; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OMe1X18995; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OMd4X18833 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:39:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pool-63.53.184.198.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.184.198]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ijYc-0000e9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:39:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re-enacting the "norm" (WAS: cross-dressing soldiers) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:33:09 -0700 Status: RO At 12:34 AM -0500 8/23/02, Robin Netherton wrote: >On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Chris Laning wrote: > >> While I support everyone's right to make their own choices, perhaps a >> suitable rallying cry would be "Re-enact the NORM!" >> It has a nice sort of ring to it, don't you think? > >Some friends of mine put together a 14th-c. living history group a few >years ago. One of their written rules is "Typical, typical, typical." >Meaning, that is, go for the norm. > >They're at . You can read the rules here: >. Nice people, good work. ...and I've met a couple of them at Kalamazoo, as you will recall . Another good reason to re-enact the "norm": audiences love it. When we are at a Renaissance Faire, the activities that draw a constant flow of spectators are things like cooking, eating (especially eating neatly and tidily with one's fingers), sewing shirts and caps (ObCostume!), washing dishes, et cetera. In particular, I do needlework, and while people are fascinated by fancy embroidery, they are also likely to say "oh, that's nice" and move on. But most people have never seen anyone hand-sewing a shirt, and will stay and ask questions -- yet it's something people did all the time. The two times I'm most likely to get my picture taken at Faire are when I'm (1) eating, or (2) holding up embroidery floss in front of me and running my thumb down it to split the plies! -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 18:53:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25568 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:53:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OMt3OX000780; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OMt2X22484; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7OMsQX22335 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26800 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:56:40 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enacting the "norm" (WAS: cross-dressing soldiers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:56:40 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Chris Laning wrote: > >Some friends of mine put together a 14th-c. living history group a few > >years ago. One of their written rules is "Typical, typical, typical." > >Meaning, that is, go for the norm. > > > >They're at . You can read the rules here: > >. Nice people, good work. > > ...and I've met a couple of them at Kalamazoo, as you will recall . They'll be speaking again in the spring, in our session on Military Clothing :-) > Another good reason to re-enact the "norm": audiences love it. When > we are at a Renaissance Faire, the activities that draw a constant > flow of spectators are things like cooking, eating (especially eating > neatly and tidily with one's fingers), sewing shirts and caps > (ObCostume!), washing dishes, et cetera. And spinning! A friend of mine first touched a spindle at a demo at a public fair. The moment it was in her hand she felt like she had discovered a missing limb. She became an expert spinner and weaver. Now she spins in public at fairs and similar places (including the lobby at Kalamazoo one year, when I got her to speak) and lets interested people try their hand. Every once in a while she sees that same connection made that she remembers making. She believes, and I agree, that certain skills run in your blood -- which makes sense when you consider that families with hereditary craft businesses would have, essentially, "bred for" people with certain skills. The children who had an affinity for the work would stay and maintain the family's business, and the nonskilled child would go off to another livelihood that was more suitable, and end up probably marrying and breeding in *that* community. If people can "have the sea in their blood," or be "born to farm," why shouldn't the same forces be at work for spinners, weavers, blacksmiths, potters, jewelers, other craftspeople? I thought of this when I found out that I have great-grandparents on both sides who were in the fabric business -- something that I did not know when I gravitated to fabric, as my mother does not sew. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 19:47:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25804 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:47:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ONn3OX002576; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ONn1X04214; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7ONmeX04150 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:48:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p247.directcon.net [209.233.107.247]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g7ONlwV7008935; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:48:00 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020824165307.013ab9d0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms In-Reply-To: <3D67F6AA.CAD2405B@bigpond.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:53:07 -0700 Status: RO I just came home from the annual back to school parent's meeting at my children's school. To educate the parents about the dress code, three of the teachers did a presentation. They went to K-Mart and bought a selection of clothes, then held them up and explained what was okay and what wasn't, and why. I think it went a long way to eliminate the confusion on the issues. They sure did find some horrible examples, though. My least favorites were a pair of bleach-washed denim capris, with a strange sort of peplum with grommeted, laced laced panels framing an industrial strength zipper front, the whole thing saying "look at my crotch!" and sized for an eight year old. There was also a T-shirt, teen girl's size, that said "All this and brains too!" with two arrows pointing to the breasts. Are there really parents who find this kind of thing amusing? Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 20:20:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25997 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:20:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7P0M1OX003815; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7P0M0X11450; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7P0L2X11230 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COMPUTER (pcp01721530pcs.union01.nj.comcast.net [68.37.30.129]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with SMTP id <0H1D00A1MIAVST@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:20:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Valerie Frank To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <001401c24bcd$470a2020$811e2544@COMPUTER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_RmnZB+B9UmQtFJAuWnM9hg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Ulrich von Licechtenstein Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:20:54 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_RmnZB+B9UmQtFJAuWnM9hg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Greetings to the List, The story of Sir Ulrich can be found in Ulrich von Liechtenstein's "Service of Ladies" translated by J.W. Thomas and published by the University of NorthCarolina Press 1969. In it he talks about having women's clothing made--12 skirts and 30 shirts and buying two braids of dark brown hair which he wound with pearls. I would argue the skirts and shirts translation but I have never seen the original manuscript (and wouldn't know what I was looking at if I did . However, it certainly provides documentation for false braids for those of us with baby fine locks. Anna von Argenthal --Boundary_(ID_RmnZB+B9UmQtFJAuWnM9hg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Greetings to the List,
 
        The story of Sir Ulrich can be found in Ulrich von Liechtenstein's "Service of Ladies" translated by J.W. Thomas and published by the University of NorthCarolina Press 1969.  In it he talks about having women's clothing made--12 skirts and 30 shirts and buying two braids of dark brown hair which he wound with pearls. I would argue the skirts and shirts translation but I have never seen the original manuscript (and wouldn't know what I was looking at if I did <G>.
However, it certainly provides documentation for false braids for those of us with baby fine locks.
 
                                                    Anna von Argenthal
--Boundary_(ID_RmnZB+B9UmQtFJAuWnM9hg)-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 22:08:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26704 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:08:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7P295OX007450; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7P291X03877; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20205.mail.yahoo.com (web20205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7P28vX03857 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020825020857.59921.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.49.107.96] by web20205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:08:57 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: Britney was [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <008201c24b2c$73ccc8c0$81ceadcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:08:57 +1000 (EST) Status: RO This has gone on long enough, and I really wasn't trying to change your mind - just open it to the possibilities. It's up to your how you interpret anything. I'd liken it to looking at an artwork, but that would be giving Britney's songwriters *too much* credit. Personally I have no problem with the word F***, but I understand that some do. Just one point: > Hit, as a word word not > have been chosen for any > soft conotation. Hit is a brutal word. Think blackjack for an obvious instance where this doesn't apply. And there are others. Asking for another of the same drink at a bar. Asking for more of anything usually - not always and everywhere of course, but I have heard it used. And no-one got smacked. :) Bella --- michaela wrote: > > > You mean that Hit is slang for F***? > > > > Well, a euphemism, yes... :) > > Slang, it's not meant to be a nice way of saying > something:) > > > I find it more disconcerting to think that she's > > asking for a punch personally.... > > Well if it was simply make love to me or kiss me as > you suggested, then > yeah it is more worrying. Except it's not. Love has > nothing to do with what > she was singing about. > > > Physical...perhaps, brutal...not necessarily. It > > depends on your interpretation. It's just a > > euphemism....it could just as easily be a > euphemism > > for "kiss".... > > I really don't think so... Hit, as a word word not > have been chosen for any > soft conotation. Hit is a brutal word. I'm not > saying she's asking for > rape.. but it's definately not at the romantic end > of the spectrum either. > > > Confusing or not, if she is singing about sex, no > > matter how "physical", surely that is less > worrying > > than her asking for a punch? Of course sex is a > > worrying topic for many people.... > > Sex, no. A F**** yes. And again, the market audience > are preteens. > Personally I find the violence that is allowed to be > seen by a young > audience far more disconcerting than the > ridiculously silly soft porn that > has an R18 smacked on it. Sex is not the issue, it's > how it's being > protrayed in the music videos. > > > PS...two of my sisters *were molested* at a very > young > > age way back when this style of dressing was not > an > > issue. I hope you understand where I'm coming from > in > > saying it's nuts to blame her style of dressing > for > > children being ogled and worse. Young children > have > > been preyed upon for a very long time, and it > didn't > > require provocative clothing to do it.... > > It's not what I was saying. You can't say 80 year > old women in their > nighties up to the necks ask for it either. But > there really is a point > where if you not only dress in a way that you know > is provocative, but act > and speak about having sex simply because you want > it.. then you do need to > ask why? > > Why so many 'artists' choose to manipulate and be > manipulated. Money yeah.. > but why the desperation for it at any cost? > > > And now that I've gone completely OT....can anyone > > think of another instance in historical costuming > > where a particular style of clothing was denounced > > because it made men think lewd thoughts...or > worse? > > I'll bet we all can. :) > > I think it's not so much about lewd thoughts as > taking the idea of a > prepubescent girl and making her a sexual object. > It's probably not the > first time in history that a prefertile shape is > concidered the ideal.. but > I can't really think of many at the top of my head. > Even the boyish 1920s > shape was somewhat more mature than modern ideals. > > michaela > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 24 23:18:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26913 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:18:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7P3KhOX009941; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7P3KfX18514; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:20:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20202.mail.yahoo.com (web20202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7P3G1X17623 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020825031600.38029.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.49.107.96] by web20202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:16:00 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re:[h-cost] Shoes, Ren/Eliz To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:16:00 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Rebecca Anderson wrote: > > Hello > I, amazingly, found myself some quite serviceable > shoes localy (Adelaide, > South Australia),<<< Another South Aussie! Are you an SCAer? :) > for this time period. I paid AU$9 > for them. > They look like this: > http://www.pillagedvillage.com/pvonline/CC_700L.html > > You can also get them in velvet > http://www.pillagedvillage.com/pvonline/CC_700V.html Excellent! Where did you get them? Did they have the velvet ones? Ooh...I'd love some velvet shoes.... :) > > My first pair lasted well over a year (and thats > wearing them for an entire > winter as indoor shoes). I got new ones this week. Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 25 01:06:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27372 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 01:06:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7P55MOX013280; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:05:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7P55LX08509; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:05:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7P4xsX07560 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:59:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.125.189]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1D00MH4V7S3V@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:59:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enacting the "norm" (WAS: cross-dressing soldiers) In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020824215427.00cc5e90@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:59:08 -0700 Status: RO Yet another reason to re-enact typical examples is that I would have to break character and pull my documentation out of my pocket if I did a non-typical example. It's better 'theatre' to all look pretty much the same, and less confusing to the tourists who see the group. Sometimes I hand-sew garments, but another couple of things I do are mending, especially darning sox, and knitting sox. Both of these seem to fascinate people for whom sox come from stores, intact, unlike sweaters, which some people have seen being knitted. >>> While I support everyone's right to make their own choices, perhaps a >>> suitable rallying cry would be "Re-enact the >>> NORM!" It has a nice sort of ring to it, don't you think? >> >>Some friends of mine put together a 14th-c. living history group a few >>years ago. One of their written rules is "Typical, typical, typical." >>Meaning, that is, go for the norm. >> >>They're at . You can read the rules here: >>. Nice people, good work. > >...and I've met a couple of them at Kalamazoo, as you will recall . > >Another good reason to re-enact the "norm": audiences love it. When we are >at a Renaissance Faire, the activities that draw a constant flow of >spectators are things like cooking, eating (especially eating neatly and >tidily with one's fingers), sewing shirts and caps (ObCostume!), washing >dishes, et cetera. > >In particular, I do needlework, and while people are fascinated by fancy >embroidery, they are also likely to say "oh, that's nice" and move on. But >most people have never seen anyone hand-sewing a shirt, and will stay and >ask questions -- yet it's something people did all the time. > >The two times I'm most likely to get my picture taken at Faire are when >I'm (1) eating, or (2) holding up embroidery floss in front of me and >running my thumb down it to split the plies! >-- >_________________________________________________________ >O Chris Laning >| >+ Davis, California >_________________________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 25 06:09:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA28791 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 06:09:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7PAB3OX020671; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7PAB1X01835; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7PAAFX01565 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:10:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p117-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.212.117] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17iuLV-0006mk-00; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:10:13 +1200 Message-ID: <003a01c24c1f$949c3ec0$75d4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020825020857.59921.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Britney was [h-cost] School Uniforms (Was:Brocades and silks and velvets(WAS: cross dressingsoldie... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:09:57 +1200 Status: RO > Think blackjack for an obvious instance where this > doesn't apply. And there are others. Asking for > another of the same drink at a bar. Asking for more of > anything usually - not always and everywhere of > course, but I have heard it used. And no-one got > smacked. :) Umm.. quite different quite quite different. Same word in different situations. And it's the situation that surely gives it meaning. I could argue at length why the word woman is no more politically correct than lady, but how it's used gives it meaning. Saying "fire" for instance.. think of that;) And if it had gone on long enough why feel the need to prolong it. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 25 09:57:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01130 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:57:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7PDx2OX025944; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7PDx0X11528; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7PDwFX11405 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:58:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust124.tnt5.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.239.234.124] helo=hppav) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ixuA-0005Cf-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:58:14 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c24c40$0d3091e0$7ceaef41@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:02:28 -0500 Status: RO But Teddy, its a costume, its all costume. At least that's the way a friend of mine who went back to school to get a degree in business described it. The dress code for the students was shirt, tie, jackets and slacks for the men. Women were required to wear hose and heels with their suits. This was to give some of these kid straight out of highschool an idea of what would be required of them in some financial/business arenas. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 25 10:06:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01155 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:06:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7PE81OX026159; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7PE80X13148; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7PE7rX13108 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust124.tnt5.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.239.234.124] helo=hppav) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17iy3U-0002Gk-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:07:53 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c24c41$6626cfc0$7ceaef41@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:12:07 -0500 Status: RO This is Genie still playing catchup with the digests. There was a Georgette Heyer novel called the Masqueraders in which a brother and sister switched roles to conceal their identities. Now, granted this was fiction, but part of the premise was that the brother was somwhat smaller than average for a male, while the sister was taller than average for a female. The sister was able to pass as a younger man for a time. And the brother with powder, patch and wig as female. The idea was people see what they expect to see. Unless something is jarringly off, most folks just won't notice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 25 10:30:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01245 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:30:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7PEW1OX026775; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7PEW0X17597; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7PEVhX17534 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.ce.2b8c14e0 (657) for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:31:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shoes, Ren/Eliz To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:31:34 EDT Status: RO Thanks for the tip on the Pillaged Village:) Just ordered off for 3 pair of shoes in velvet to go with 1 outfit I've already made--(taken from a portrait of Princess Catalina Micheala, one of the daughters of Phillip II of Spain.) The other 2 pair to go along with 2 other 16th century spanish, to be made in the near future. While not the MOST authentic footgear to go with these outfits --they will do nicely enough til I can afford the REAL thing from one of our local shoemakers:) Albra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 25 12:29:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01861 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:29:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7PGT3OX000612; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7PGT1X11280; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7PGSNX11141 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:28:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust126.tnt5.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.239.234.126] helo=hppav) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17j0FS-000239-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:28:23 -0400 Message-ID: <005101c24c55$0692a480$7ceaef41@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Rules For Sewing/grandma Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:32:36 -0500 Status: RO Darn, I thought it was a Greg And Diane that year, oh well. But my baby sister is 13 years younger than me and mom was 42 when she was born. Yikes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 25 13:56:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02349 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:56:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7PHw3OX004021; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:58:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7PHw0X29661; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7PHvQX29551 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.125.189]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1E00ARPV7PQW@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets (WAS: cross In-reply-to: <002801c24c40$0d3091e0$7ceaef41@hppav> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020825105346.00cbd760@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:56:55 -0700 Status: RO >But Teddy, > its a costume, its all costume. At least that's the way a friend of >mine who went back to school to get a degree in business described it. The >dress code for the students was shirt, tie, jackets and slacks for the men. >Women were required to wear hose and heels with their suits. This was to >give some of these kid straight out of highschool an idea of what would be >required of them in some financial/business arenas. I speak of a traffic-court costume, and a job-interview costume, and people understand what I mean when I say 'it's all costume' (I avoided business school). But around this close to San Francisco, many of my friends talk about 'business drag', meaning the suit and tie thing, male or female. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 25 14:51:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02714 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:51:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7PIr1OX005998; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7PIr0X11758; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7PIqqX11721 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:52:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21F920D63 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E0BF207C2 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <020401c24c68$887c6a40$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01FF_01C24C46.FD4F4E90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Subject: [h-cost] My Haul Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:52:10 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01FF_01C24C46.FD4F4E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love being bribed... In exchange for a hunter-green velvet Italian Ren for Vik (who hasn't = even gotten the purple one yet....) 4 yards of 60" melon-colored peachskin (yes, Teddy, it's ORANGE!!), 2 = yards of fuschia wool, 8 yards of carnation pink fustian, and some hot = pink fustian. (don't remember the amount.) I also have the screaming yellow brocade, and the orange-brick-red wool = yet. I could make something truly, truly, evil out of this. Dianne Take hold of your inner dragon and horde not. ------=_NextPart_000_01FF_01C24C46.FD4F4E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I love being bribed...
 
In exchange for a hunter-green velvet = Italian Ren=20 for Vik (who hasn't even gotten the purple one yet....)
 
4 yards of 60" melon-colored peachskin = (yes, Teddy,=20 it's ORANGE!!), 2 yards of fuschia wool, 8 yards of carnation pink = fustian, and=20 some hot pink fustian. (don't remember the amount.)
 
I also have the screaming yellow = brocade, and the=20 orange-brick-red wool yet. I could make something truly, truly, evil out = of=20 this.
 
Dianne
Take hold of your inner dragon and = horde=20 not.
------=_NextPart_000_01FF_01C24C46.FD4F4E90-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 00:11:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06414 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:11:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7Q4D5OX029522; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7Q4D0X22012; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f194.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7Q4CfX21876 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:12:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:12:36 -0700 Received: from 63.12.15.156 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:12:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.12.15.156] From: "Rebecca Anderson" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] Shoes, Ren/Eliz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2002 04:12:36.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF1ABCB0:01C24CB6] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:42:35 +0930 Status: RO Bella wrote: > > --- Rebecca Anderson wrote: > > > > Hello > > I, amazingly, found myself some quite serviceable > > shoes localy (Adelaide, > > South Australia),<<< > >Another South Aussie! Are you an SCAer? :) > Hello! Not yet, awaiting the newsletter, though I'm beggining to think that my subscription form has gone astray in the post. > > > for this time period. I paid AU$9 > > for them. > > They look like this: > > http://www.pillagedvillage.com/pvonline/CC_700L.html > > > > You can also get them in velvet > > http://www.pillagedvillage.com/pvonline/CC_700V.html > >Excellent! Where did you get them? Did they have the >velvet ones? Ooh...I'd love some velvet shoes.... :) > > No velvet, just the black canvas. Spendless shoes, James Place. > > > > My first pair lasted well over a year (and thats > > wearing them for an entire > > winter as indoor shoes). I got new ones this week. > Rebecca. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 00:55:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06848 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:55:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7Q4v1OX001291; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7Q4v0X01196; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7Q4uhX01145 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:56:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 19886 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2002 05:20:52 -0000 Received: from 66-81-61-148-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.61.148) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 2002 05:20:52 -0000 Message-ID: <3D69B275.22D9B5E7@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] cross dressing soldiers References: <003001c24c41$6626cfc0$7ceaef41@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:45:41 -0700 Status: RO Genie wrote: > > This is Genie still playing catchup with the digests. > > There was a Georgette Heyer novel called the Masqueraders in which a brother > and sister switched roles to conceal their identities. Now, granted this > was fiction, but part of the premise was that the brother was somwhat > smaller than average for a male, while the sister was taller than average > for a female. The sister was able to pass as a younger man for a time. And > the brother with powder, patch and wig as female. The idea was people see > what they expect to see. Unless something is jarringly off, most folks just > won't notice. This would have been doublely true for the Victorians. They would have just not noticed unless it was just so odd they would be forced to. If the story I have heard is true the nick name for women dressing as men in CW reenactment is "Funny boys". Because of a diary entry where a officer mentions one of his "Men" as a good soldier, a funny boy, but a good soldier. -- Stephen Bergdahl www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm Co-Chair Costume-Con 24 Bid www.2xtreme.net/madly/Costuming101/Costume-Con24/Frames.html Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 01:25:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07084 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:25:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7Q5R1OX002310; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7Q5R1X06768; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7Q5QUX06677 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:26:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.251]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020826052624.DJJB11061.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:26:24 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020826002435.03333880@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Le Pompe" (was Drea's pics - black lace) In-Reply-To: <20020822012718.31903.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:28:23 -0500 Status: RO At 11:27 AM 8/22/2002 +1000, you wrote: > --- Catherine Kinsey wrote: > > "Le Pompe, 1559, Patterns for Venetian bobbin lace", > > Facsimile with Introduction by Santina M. Levey, Technical Section by > Patricia > > C. Payne, Drawings by Bridget M. Cook' Ruth Bean, Carlton Bedford,1983. > >Does anyone know where I can buy this book, or is it >out of print? I've done a net search but haven't come >up with anything yet. > > >Bella Hi Bella, I believe there is a used copy available from Amazon. I bought my copy years ago - you might want to try going to your local book store and seeing if they can special order it. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 01:40:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07214 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:40:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7Q5g1OX002884; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7Q5g0X09612; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7Q5fUX09502 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:41:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.251]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020826054125.RDLQ13899.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:41:25 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020826003124.02b79760@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dreas V&A pics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:33:54 -0500 Status: RO My guess at the rational (it wasn't stated) was it looked good with all the black embroidery? : ) Frankly, the first couple of times I looked at it, I never even noticed the comment about the embroidery being a reproduction. I thought it was original (and terribly cool since that is a pattern I tend to edge my coifs with). : ) And yes, that is one of the patterns from Le Pompe. Cheers, Danielle At 09:51 AM 8/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Yes. Unfortunately it is a modern reproduction which was added during >conservation. IIRC, they weren't sure what the original lace looked liked. > >Cheers, >Danielle (who also took lots of pictures of the smocks) > >At 03:48 PM 8/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Anyone else recognize the black bobbin lace on the smock from Le >Pompe? > >My copy is at home but I think I've worked this one. > > > >Catherine > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Well Drat :). Disappointing to hear but at least they used a period >lace pattern. Do you know the rational for the color? > >Thanks for the update Danielle! > >Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 01:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07219 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:40:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7Q5g6OX002896; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7Q5g6X09670; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7Q5fdX09528 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:41:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.251]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020826054133.RDNZ13899.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:41:33 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020826004048.02af2790@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] behind in e-mails In-Reply-To: <010c01c24b05$ac1e9400$97f3ef41@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:41:35 -0500 Status: RO LOL! I know what you mean but I've had to or else I will get even more behind. Now there are only 2133 emails in my H-Costume folder. : ) Cheers, Danielle At 07:32 PM 8/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: >You win Danielle, I was on vacation four days in August and still have 50+ >digests of 10+ messages each to get thru. But I _can't_ delete them honey >(to DH) I might miss something. > >Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 05:40:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30139 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:40:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7Q9f2OX010200; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7Q9f0X20069; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7Q9eQX19939 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p235-nas1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.210.235] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17jGM6-0000Zb-00; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:40:21 +1200 Message-ID: <000201c24ce4$8deed810$ebd2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020823073729.13487.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Ren (Landsknechte) dress pattern? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:31:16 +1200 Status: RO > *huge snippage* > Thank you so much for all the info, Michaela, I saved this message for > reference when I actually get about trying my hand on such a dress. > This is actually not supposed to be an overly authentic dress, but more > something a la Cranach, and OTT, I would like it to be a costume, high quality > costume, but costume. I love your yellow and black dress, it looks absolutely > superb! Wish I could wear yellow, but I look like a week old corpse in it. lol! Thanks. I'm very lucky when it comes to colours, I can wear practically anything.. so long as I remember to make sure my eyebrows and eyelashes are coloured;) Being naturally blone my eyelashes and eyebrows are too... when in their naturala state I tend to get "are you feeling alright, you look a little... pale" Handy for wagging- erm sympathy;) As for the costume aspect.. you could proabbaly then make some fitting sleeves as a base and then go mad with bands of trim and ribbon making as many puffs as you like;) I'd also make them part of the sleeve rather than the chemise underneath if it's going to be a costume. Just means you have full control over where they are and how puffy they will be:) Besides Cranach painted a lot of fantasy stuff where sleeve puffs defy logic;) > Is a corset being worn under the dress or is the bodice boned? Don't suggest no > boning (please...), I LIKE boning or corests, the more the merrier, pushes the > excess bits into a lovely shape. hehehe. Well some of those portraits I mentioned with the conical line would suggest some support. There's no more eveidence at this time for boning than elsewhere in the west. How ever there are a number of portraits where the white (or coloured) plastron is very clearly ribbed. Now how that is achieved is pure conjecture, but I personally would use some kind of support underneath. As fot he bodice itself.. I don't think so.. but with all the guarding, and use of rich heavy fabrics, you could put some in sureptitiosly;) Mine doesn't, but then I'll be wearing mine over that corset. Which I mentioned in a a post a few months ago I shaped over the bust. No amount of no boning over the bust but boning over the lower half would help my "mosquito bites" become "juicy juicy mangos" to quote from the Bend it like Beckham ad;) I go flat as a board in a fitted t shirt and the look in german (for the most part) is to follow natural curves. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 11:32:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07207 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:32:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7QFW6OX025771; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:32:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7QFW0X01100; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7QFVuX01056 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:31:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a230.in-tch.com [66.62.107.30]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7QFHV100186 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:17:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D6A4B53.D30B4F84@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Le Pompe" (was Drea's pics - black lace) References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020826002435.03333880@mail.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:37:55 -0600 Status: RO Hi, ladies. IIRC, I got my copy from an SCA merchant. It's a British publication, but the inside cover says that the US distributors are Robin & Russ Handweavers, in Oregon, and I *know* they have a website--although the book isn't listed (*sigh*...I just checked). The website is www.robinandruss.com . If you want a really amazing, yummy set of 16th c. lace books, try to find yourself a copy of Claire Burkhard's "Fascinating Bobbin Lace." (that's the English-language title). It's 3 books in one--one if a facsimile of the original (dated to 1561 in Germany...actually the first printed book on bobbin lace), the second is a selection of 40 prickings taken from the facsimile, and the 3rd is discussions, etc. and then examples of lace--she gives you the pattern from the original, the pricking, and then a picture of the finished lace. Very thorough, very droolsome. Actually in 3 languages (German, French, and English). The finished laces look much more like the extant ones and the ones in portraits than do those from _Le Pompe_. Also very much out of print. I found mine through a company in New York that specializes in bobbin lace supplies (a recommendation from someone on a lace list)--their website is www.vanscriverbobbinlace.com . Holly's very helpful, and might be able to work with you on getting a copy, even if she doesn't currently have them. --Sue, lace-fiend (and blaming it all on Bjarne and his lace class ) Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > At 11:27 AM 8/22/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > --- Catherine Kinsey wrote: > > > "Le Pompe, 1559, Patterns for Venetian bobbin lace", > > > Facsimile with Introduction by Santina M. Levey, Technical Section by > > Patricia > > > C. Payne, Drawings by Bridget M. Cook' Ruth Bean, Carlton Bedford,1983. > > > >Does anyone know where I can buy this book, or is it > >out of print? I've done a net search but haven't come > >up with anything yet. > > > > > >Bella > > Hi Bella, > > I believe there is a used copy available from Amazon. I bought my copy > years ago - you might want to try going to your local book store and seeing > if they can special order it. > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 16:57:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19962 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:57:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7QKw4OX025239; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7QKw0R25127; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7QKvgR24976 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020826205742.33873.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:57:42 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enacting the "norm" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020824215427.00cc5e90@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:57:42 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > Yet another reason to re-enact typical examples is that I would have to > break character and pull my documentation out of my pocket if I did a > non-typical example. It's better 'theatre' to all look pretty much the > same, and less confusing to the tourists who see the group. Ah yes, I agree if you do first person, but I personally abhorr first person, because it is 'theatre' as you so rightly say, and I prefer to indulge with knowledgable public in bordering academic discussions instead of pretending that I am what I cannot be. I just came back from early Anglo-Saxon, and will go back on Thursday, as I always say, I am a 21st century person, I don't pretend to be an Anglo-Saxon but I strive to show you what would have been worn, how they would have lived, and give you the information I have about this village eytc. (5th-6th/7th c.) Apart from that, they wouldn't understand if I spoke Old English (if I could speak it fluently instead of just receiting poetry and prose) and thus stayed peoperly in character. :-) I do agree though about the 'norm' thing but at the same time I also find it important to show different levels of society where possible. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 17:37:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20198 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:37:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7QLb1OX028788; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7QLb0R18613; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7QLahR18446 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:36:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020826213643.62784.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:36:43 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enacting the "norm" (WAS: cross-dressing soldiers) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:36:43 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > She believes, and I agree, that certain skills run in your blood -- which > makes sense when you consider that families with hereditary craft > businesses would have, essentially, "bred for" people with certain skills. > The children who had an affinity for the work would stay and maintain the > family's business, and the nonskilled child would go off to another > livelihood that was more suitable, and end up probably marrying and > breeding in *that* community. If people can "have the sea in their blood," > or be "born to farm," why shouldn't the same forces be at work for > spinners, weavers, blacksmiths, potters, jewelers, other craftspeople? Hmmm.. that's fascinating, and I believe in this too, but how do you explain for example that I picked up a needle and was able to do embroidery as if I had done it all my life, but ONLY certain period embroideries, without it ever having been in either of my families (they were too poor ever to indulge in such fancies) while not having any knack for what IS in the families. Hmm... maybe I was swapped in hospital, hehe. Or reincarnation? Or pure fluke? I don't have a clue... but I can tell you that I tried my hand at spinning, weaving, sewing, naalbinding, knitting, crocheting, lacemaking, and while I am able to do all the ones above, EXCEPT for spinning and weaving for which I have no talent nor interest whatsoever, it was embroidery that seems to be in the blood. I made Coptic embroideries, Frankish, Carolongian, Anglo-Saxon wool or silk work, but while I'm okay in 17th c., give me linen and make me do split stitch and gold couching anytime and I produce you work that rivals some professionals who tried to copy some of the earliest Anglo-saxon embroideries, make me try to cxopy the Bayeux tapestry with its disntictive wool couching and I fail. How odd. Nicole - who should be asleep, sheesh. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 18:19:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20634 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:19:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7QMK2OX002856; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7QMK1R13558; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12008.mail.yahoo.com (web12008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.216]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7QMJjR13406 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:19:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020826221945.12575.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.246] by web12008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:19:45 PDT From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] cup size alterations Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Now I've got the kids back in school I can go back to my projects. Any suggestions for fashion plates or sketches on-line of garments with beaded fringe. The other serious question is how to scale up a pattern and allow for my 38DD. I have and use all the Janet Arnold patterns and the stuff from LaVolta Press, but I have no clear idea as to how much ease to allow for each time period. (I know corsets should have no ease but some "spring".) Back to museuming and lurking. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 19:28:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20931 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:28:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7QNS3OX013620; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7QNS1R24981; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from indiego.ntw.net (IDENT:root@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7QNRPR24617 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:27:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.124.3.119] (p07.3c03.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.119]) by indiego.ntw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27303 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:26:09 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] cup size alterations From: sylvia To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020826221945.12575.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:16:28 -0600 Status: RO on 8/26/02 4:19 PM, Cascio Michael at rosenau5@yahoo.com wrote: > Now I've got the kids back in school I can go back to > my projects. Any suggestions for fashion plates or > sketches on-line of garments with beaded fringe. The > other serious question is how to scale up a pattern > and allow for my 38DD. I have and use all the Janet > Arnold patterns and the stuff from LaVolta Press, but > I have no clear idea as to how much ease to allow for > each time period. (I know corsets should have no ease > but some "spring".) Back to museuming and lurking. > Cassandra > >In general, period clothing doesn't have any ease either. I've done a fair amount of period costuming, and it never looks right unless it fits really tightly. So much for comfort! Sylvia Rognstad -- Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 20:11:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21110 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:11:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7R0C2OX016774; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R0C1R12029; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20210.mail.yahoo.com (web20210.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7R0B2R11679 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020827001101.29142.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.231.80] by web20210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:11:01 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Le Pompe" (was Drea's pics - black lace) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020826002435.03333880@mail.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:11:01 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > Hi Bella, > > I believe there is a used copy available from > Amazon. I bought my copy > years ago - you might want to try going to your > local book store and seeing > if they can special order it. > > Cheers, > Danielle Thanks Danielle, I'll check that out. :) Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 20:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21149 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:22:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7R0N2OX017646; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R0N1R16116; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R0M3R15830 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13467 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:24:24 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enacting the "norm" (WAS: cross-dressing soldiers) In-Reply-To: <20020826213643.62784.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:24:24 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > Hmmm.. that's fascinating, and I believe in this too, but how do you > explain for example that I picked up a needle and was able to do > embroidery as if I had done it all my life, but ONLY certain period > embroideries, without it ever having been in either of my families > (they were too poor ever to indulge in such fancies) while not having > any knack for what IS in the families. Hmm... maybe I was swapped in > hospital, hehe. Or recessive genes. Or maybe carried by the male line. Who knows, your father and grandfather might have been great embroiderers if they'd ever had reason to try! My friend had no spinners/weavers in her immediate family, but she went back a few generations and found a whole line of them. > Or reincarnation? > Or pure fluke? Well, those are possibilities too ;-) --Robin, who definitely does NOT have embroidery genes. Or gardening. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 20:53:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21322 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:53:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7R0s2OX019203; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R0s1R26227; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R0rYR26083 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:53:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303b ([12.238.186.49]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020827005329.FIFP13899.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@c59303b> for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:53:29 +0000 Message-ID: <00f201c24d64$489b4980$31baee0c@c59303b> From: "chiara" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII baby picture? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "chiara" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:54:18 -0500 Status: RO I was looking for something specific on the NM website and this popped up. I could not believe my eyes but then it is Neiman Marcus. :) http://www.neimanmarcus.com/products/n/F2G2723_n.jpg It looks like that painting of Henry when he was an infant. Sincerely, Chiara Ansteorra, Steppes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 21:00:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21372 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:00:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7R112OX019549; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R111R28318; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R10VR28219 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a227.in-tch.com [66.62.107.27]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7R0k6116504 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D6AD097.8D12C9C4@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] cup size alterations References: <20020826221945.12575.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:06:31 -0600 Status: RO The best thing I can think of, is to start with your undergarments in as period a form as you can get for whatever period you're working on (and that will vary enormously depending on your chosen time period, of course). And study the art, portraits, statuary, extant garments of that time period--they'll give you clues sometimes (little wrinkles, or worn areas, etc.). When you've got a good idea of how you want your garment to look, make mockups of cheap material to begin with--the two books I have by Hunnisett give you pretty decent details and pictures of the fitting process, as I'm sure any number of other books on costume making would. Doing this over your given undergarments, of course. These same books may give you instructions on sizing up patterns, as well (I know the info is out there, but I've never had formal training in it...my pattern sizing is a bit hit-and-miss ). And, of course, the materials you're choosing will have an effect on the finished look of your garment--fibers more closely approximating those specific to the type of garment and time period you're working with will do a better job of recreating the look. A fitted gown or surcoat done in double-knit will look just like a fitted gown/costume made of double-knit, and not a 14th c. garment, for instance. Some time periods and some socio-economic levels will have different ideas of what ease is needed--in my not-so-humble opinion, the best way to find out what works for you and for your chosen garment is a lot of research and a fair amount of tweaking and experimentation. --Sue Cascio Michael wrote: > > The > other serious question is how to scale up a pattern > and allow for my 38DD. I have and use all the Janet > Arnold patterns and the stuff from LaVolta Press, but > I have no clear idea as to how much ease to allow for > each time period. (I know corsets should have no ease > but some "spring".) Back to museuming and lurking. > Cassandra > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 21:12:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21452 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:12:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7R1D1OX020203; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R1D1R02431; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R1CnR02358 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13845 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:15:13 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] OT: Historic dance list? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:15:13 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO Can anyone point me toward an email list or group favored by people who do 17th c. dance? I have a few copies of Millar's "Elizabethan Country Dances" (1985) to sell. If anyone knows of an SCA dance list, I will be happy to post a notice there as well. However, most of the dances therein are from Playford, about 1650, so it's not a perfect source for SCA period, though some people in the SCA do reference the book. If anyone on this list is personally interested, write me for details. It's OT for h-cost. Thanks for your indulgence :-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 21:14:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21459 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:14:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7R1F1OX020291; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R1F1R03070; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R1ERR02853 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a227.in-tch.com [66.62.107.27]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7R102120535 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D6AD3DB.D9045886@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] cup size alterations References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:20:27 -0600 Status: RO Well, now, that would depend *entirely* on any one of several factors...like what time period you're working with, and what socio-economic level the garment would have been used in, what fibers you're using, and what, exactly you think "looks right" or is "comfortable." Granted, some styles are more restrictive than others, but a LOT of others are not! We're talking 100s or 1000s of years, and a lot of cultures all over the world. I'm mostly familiar with pre-1600 western Europe, and even within those parameters, there are enormous variations in fit and style. Think of all the lovely, loose-bodied styles depicted in the Manesse Codex, for instance, or the styles that show in Islamic and Andalusian sources (women wearing pants! what _would_ the more Christian areas of Europe have thought! ). I must say...I'm as comfortable in my Elizabethans as I am in my ItalianRens as I am in my tee tunics. I just don't do the same things in them....wouldn't be able to set up a tent for a camping event, or cook a feast, for instance, in high-court Elizabethan, but then, 16th c. people who needed to construct shelters or cook wouldn't have been _wearing_ all those layers and corsets and ruffs and such. Even modern clothing shows evidence of this same variation--think of the clothing you'd have to wear as a female lawyer in an expensive law firm, for instance, and contrast it to what the same woman would wear if she were a doctor, or a nurse, or a farmer, or a dancer. --Sue, comfortable in almost any century's clothing, as long as it's made well and appropriate to the task/occasion....;-) sylvia wrote: >In general, period clothing doesn't have any ease either. I've done a >fair amount of period costuming, and it never looks right unless it fits >really tightly. So much for comfort! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 21:16:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21476 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:16:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7R1H1OX020404; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R1H1R03704; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R1GTR03511 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:16:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2253.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.253]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04292 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:16:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3D6AD0B7.3999F26C@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers References: <07f801c24771$756931a0$a4784ed5@melaniew> <3D626183.6871C168@bigpond.com> <01bb01c2480c$8a4e7440$be794ed5@pavilion> <3D650C77.C296C88C@bigpond.com> <031301c249a4$dc287ba0$b16e4ed5@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:07:04 -0400 Status: RO Hi, All. Regarding the cross-dressing Doctor, he was probably punished for the scandal of cross-dressing, as midwives at the time, although free to practice their trade mostly unhindered, were still examined on their skills and licenced by the local medical professionals, both surgeons and doctors. Surgeons were usually only called in with cases of difficult or undeliverable births, and then they were there only to render surgical assistance to the midwife (although I'm sure they pretty much took over the operation, being the misogynistic gits that they were) The Doctors were so far removed from the physical aspects of surgery and childbirth that it was probably the embarrassment of being caught, as well as the being caught in drag, that got the fellow offed. Besides, he was probably a troublemaker, anyway (read Paracelsian). God forbid that he should learn from direct observation, rather than quote Galen verbatim. Mike T. who occasionally passess Michael Graham, Free of the Company and Mystery of Barber-Surgeons of the City of London, and serving as Surgeon Ordinary at the Hospital of St. Thomas, Southwark _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 21:27:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21731 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:27:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7R1R9OX020920; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R1R8R07018; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R1QxR06957 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:26:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a227.in-tch.com [66.62.107.27]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7R1CY124706 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:12:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D6AD6CA.1297477E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enacting the "norm" (WAS: cross-dressing soldiers) References: <20020826213643.62784.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:32:58 -0600 Status: RO I dunno, Nicole...I've long been mystified about similar questions with my own chosen styles of embroidery. There is so much of it out there that I just drool over, but what really floats my boat turns out to be monochrome embroidery (either colored thread on fabric, or white-on-white). And it completely came out of nowhere (I'd never even heard of it or seen it until about 15 years ago, when I first joined the SCA). I'm the *only* one in my immediate family who does needlework OR sewing. You have to go back a couple of generations (grandparents and further back) to find women and men who seemed to have felt the same urges to make things with their hands that I have always felt. The ones that I've got definite information for are all strongly textile-oriented (weavers on my Mom's side, mostly, mixed with some people who painted, or did woodwork; on my Dad's side, it's the occasional grandma or auntie who did crocheting and knitting or some form of lacework). And I never really knew any of my grandparents, as my parents lived a couple of thousand miles from all the other family members. So...I figure it's gotta be genetic. I'm never as happy as I am when I'm working with fabric or embroidery (unless it's reading a book, but that's something else entirely!). Most of my friends and acquaintances think I'm perfectly wacko when they see what I love to do best, but I figure that's just my peculiar combination of skills and attributes (good fine-motor skills, short-sightedness, an eerie ability to look at things and find patterns or breaks in patterns, etc.). I can't crochet worth a d@mn, for instance, and I love spinning but only seem to produce "novelty yarn." --Sue, who should be packing instead of playing on her computer! N Kipar wrote: > > Hmmm.. that's fascinating, and I believe in this too, but how do you explain > for example that I picked up a needle and was able to do embroidery as if I had > done it all my life, but ONLY certain period embroideries, without it ever > having been in either of my families (they were too poor ever to indulge in > such fancies) while not having any knack for what IS in the families. > Hmm... maybe I was swapped in hospital, hehe. > Or reincarnation? > Or pure fluke? > I don't have a clue... but I can tell you that I tried my hand at spinning, > weaving, sewing, naalbinding, knitting, crocheting, lacemaking, and while I am > able to do all the ones above, EXCEPT for spinning and weaving for which I have > no talent nor interest whatsoever, it was embroidery that seems to be in the > blood. I made Coptic embroideries, Frankish, Carolongian, Anglo-Saxon wool or > silk work, but while I'm okay in 17th c., give me linen and make me do split > stitch and gold couching anytime and I produce you work that rivals some > professionals who tried to copy some of the earliest Anglo-saxon embroideries, > make me try to cxopy the Bayeux tapestry with its disntictive wool couching and > I fail. How odd. > > Nicole - who should be asleep, sheesh. > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 21:29:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21764 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:28:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7R1T1OX020995; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R1T0R07708; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R1SnR07659 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:28:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2253.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.253]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03048 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:28:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3D6AD3B0.9862F26D@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century References: <20020807091230.29675.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:19:44 -0400 Status: RO Hi. Due to the sheerness of the cloth on Mrs. C Sr., I suspect that it is a cap and not a forehead cloth. It looks like the whole cap is made of "fine Holland" or some other fairly expensive material suitable to be painted in... Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 22:57:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24387 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:57:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7R2w5OX025229; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:58:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R2w1R06143; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f73.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R2vwR06124 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:57:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:57:53 -0700 Received: from 64.123.15.119 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:57:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.123.15.119] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII baby picture? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2002 02:57:53.0296 (UTC) FILETIME=[897CB900:01C24D75] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:57:52 +0000 Status: RO That's actually Bronzino's portrait of Giovanni de Medici. IIRC, he was one of Eleanora de Toledo's sons. Mary/Katerine >I was looking for something specific on the NM website and this popped up. >I >could not believe my eyes but then it is Neiman Marcus. :) > >http://www.neimanmarcus.com/products/n/F2G2723_n.jpg It looks like that >painting of Henry when he was an infant. > >Sincerely, >Chiara >Ansteorra, Steppes > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 23:03:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24498 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:03:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7R341OX025593; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R340R08124; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R33mR08077 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:03:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.251]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020827030343.TWVX14185.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:03:43 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020826215912.032b48a0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] HCostume fabric sell or swap... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:08:14 -0500 Status: RO Greetings, I figured it was about time I sent out another invite... Anyone got anything to sell or swap? The site hasn't been used in awhile... Cheers, Danielle Please join us at: "HCostume fabric sell or swap..." TO JOIN, CLICK HERE NOW: http://www.communityzero.com/hcostume?key=395-EFE99F18D8 Next, press the "JOIN" button to apply for membership. 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This invitation was sent to you by: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 23:16:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24718 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:16:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7R3H1OX026257; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R3H0R12195; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R3GTR12012 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:16:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.134.150]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020827031623.HVPC1953.out007.verizon.net@default> for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:16:23 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020827031421.0073d634@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Historic dance list? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:14:21 -0400 Status: RO At 08:15 PM 8/26/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Can anyone point me toward an email list or group favored by people who do >17th c. dance? I have a few copies of Millar's "Elizabethan Country >Dances" (1985) to sell. > >If anyone knows of an SCA dance list, I will be happy to post a notice >there as well. However, most of the dances therein are from Playford, >about 1650, so it's not a perfect source for SCA period, though some >people in the SCA do reference the book. > >If anyone on this list is personally interested, write me for details. >It's OT for h-cost. Thanks for your indulgence :-) > >--Robin > > Actually the SCA does a lot of Playford dancing. Furthermore, it was John's intention with that book to only use dances that could be documented to the Elizabethan period (which except for three years is period for SCA). The reason I say intention, is finding a dance name in a period source does not mean that it is the same dance, and sometimes what he had was the name of a tune, which can be even more suspect. Playford collected these dances, he did not write them, so it follows that they are older than their printing, but how much older? I have no need for the book myself, as I own a copy and know John, but I would recommend it for anybody on the list that may have an interest. As I say, I think it is tricky ground to say these are all Elizabethan, though I am sure that some are. The book also gives descriptions of the dance steps and like the original Playford it has the music and the dance notation. Occasionally it even has lyrics (no surprise, John is a balladeer at work). I remain, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 26 23:59:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25748 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:59:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7R408OX028489; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:00:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R403R25449; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7R3xFR25225 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a242.in-tch.com [66.62.107.42]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7R3ip115478 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:44:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D6AFA7A.90188522@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] HCostume fabric sell or swap... References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020826215912.032b48a0@mail.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:05:14 -0600 Status: RO I might have some stuff, but digging for it will have to wait a few weeks. --sue, hip-deep in post-event laundry and pre-england packing ;-) Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > Greetings, > > I figured it was about time I sent out another invite... Anyone got > anything to sell or swap? The site hasn't been used in awhile... > > Cheers, > Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 13:15:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25799 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:15:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RHGAOX007388; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:16:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RHG2R02333; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from indiego.ntw.net (IDENT:root@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RHFNR01935 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:15:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.124.3.189] (p29.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.189]) by indiego.ntw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16554 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:14:05 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: sylvia To: H-costume Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Vintage outfit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:04:15 -0600 Status: RO I can't seem to get subscribed to the vintage costume list (if anyone knows, please inform), so I'm posting a question here and hoe it isn't out of line. I bought a vintage outfit quite awhile ago and have never been able to figure out what decade it is from. It consists of 3 pieces: A jacket, a skirt and a pair of loose fitting pants attached to a sleeveless blouse. the jacket, pants and skirt are of grey wool with red trim. The blouse is of cotton, I would guess. The pants and skirt come to somewhere below the knee to midcalf. I don't have the garment here at the moment to check. The skirt has soft pleats. The jacket comes to below the waist and is gathered a bit into a loose waistband. If the outfit didn't have pants, I would say it is from the 1920s but I've never seen a pants/skirt combination from this decade. I would say it is a bicycling outfit except for the style, which really seems like 1920s. I suppose it's possible it's a cycling outfit from 1910-1920. Has anyone ever seen such a garment anywhere and could help identify? I can take a picture when I get it back from loaning it out if necessary. Thanks. Sylvia Rognstad -- Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 14:22:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27227 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:22:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RIM3OX012918; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RIM1R12382; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RIKIR11482 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:20:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g7RIKHY5020946 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:20:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enacting the "norm" (WAS: cross-dressing soldiers) In-Reply-To: <20020826213643.62784.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > Hmmm.. that's fascinating, and I believe in this too, but how do you explain > for example that I picked up a needle and was able to do embroidery as if I had > done it all my life, but ONLY certain period embroideries, without it ever > having been in either of my families (they were too poor ever to indulge in > such fancies) while not having any knack for what IS in the families. (snip) Well, maybe it's not the ability to do embroidery, per se, but a general ability or something... For instance, it's been discovered (my hubby tells me) that fighter pilots are not infrequently good artists, as well. Something about a facility for spatial relationships... It would make sense to me that this sort of ability could be passed on within a bloodline. And if someone grew up in an environment which also encouraged the further development of those abilities (for a sailor, the ability to read the weather, for example), then you'd say s/he was a 'born ____'. The women in my family background are all artists (i.e., actually have degrees in and/or taught art). One grandmother was an excellent seamstress as well. I am not a bad sketcher, but haven't developed those talents much. I think I'm taking a general facility for spatial relationships in another direction by developing my costuming/draping skills. I have friends who absolutely can't look at a flat pattern (i.e., layouts like the ones in Arnold or Waugh) and see how it will look in 3-D, despite having taken classes in costume drafting. So maybe there is something to it. (shrug) -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 14:25:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27276 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:25:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RIQ3OX013289; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:26:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RIQ3R14753; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:26:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RIMYR12677 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:22:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g7RIMXY5021323 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:22:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] cup size alterations In-Reply-To: <20020826221945.12575.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Good question... I've never bothered to rescale any of those patterns up. I generally just drape straight onto my dressmaker's dummy instead. -- Mara On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Cascio Michael wrote: > Now I've got the kids back in school I can go back to > my projects. Any suggestions for fashion plates or > sketches on-line of garments with beaded fringe. The > other serious question is how to scale up a pattern > and allow for my 38DD. I have and use all the Janet > Arnold patterns and the stuff from LaVolta Press, but > I have no clear idea as to how much ease to allow for > each time period. (I know corsets should have no ease > but some "spring".) Back to museuming and lurking. > Cassandra > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 15:15:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27650 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:15:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RJGJOX017392; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:16:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RJGGR13556; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RJEYR12568 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17jlnM-0007Of-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:14:33 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enacting the "norm" (WAS: cross-dressing soldiers) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:06:13 +0100 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote > >On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Chris Laning wrote: > >> >Some friends of mine put together a 14th-c. living history group a few >> >years ago. One of their written rules is "Typical, typical, typical." >> >Meaning, that is, go for the norm. >> > >> >They're at . You can read the rules here: >> >. Nice people, good work. >> >> ...and I've met a couple of them at Kalamazoo, as you will recall . > >They'll be speaking again in the spring, in our session on Military >Clothing :-) > >> Another good reason to re-enact the "norm": audiences love it. When >> we are at a Renaissance Faire, the activities that draw a constant >> flow of spectators are things like cooking, eating (especially eating >> neatly and tidily with one's fingers), sewing shirts and caps >> (ObCostume!), washing dishes, et cetera. > >And spinning! A friend of mine first touched a spindle at a demo at a >public fair. The moment it was in her hand she felt like she had >discovered a missing limb. She became an expert spinner and weaver. Now >she spins in public at fairs and similar places (including the lobby at >Kalamazoo one year, when I got her to speak) and lets interested people >try their hand. Every once in a while she sees that same connection made >that she remembers making. > >She believes, and I agree, that certain skills run in your blood -- which >makes sense when you consider that families with hereditary craft >businesses would have, essentially, "bred for" people with certain skills. >The children who had an affinity for the work would stay and maintain the >family's business, and the nonskilled child would go off to another >livelihood that was more suitable, and end up probably marrying and >breeding in *that* community. If people can "have the sea in their blood," >or be "born to farm," why shouldn't the same forces be at work for >spinners, weavers, blacksmiths, potters, jewelers, other craftspeople? > >I thought of this when I found out that I have great-grandparents on both >sides who were in the fabric business -- something that I did not know >when I gravitated to fabric, as my mother does not sew. > >--Robin > Gosh! My paternal grandfather was a tailor, my mother was a needlework teacher, my mother-in-law makes costumes for Highland dancing, and my husband and I both make medieval costumes. I'm afraid I'm not planning to have children - is this a betrayal of the costuming community?! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 15:26:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27745 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:26:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RJR3OX018304; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RJR2R19917; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from NOAADC-MSW03.NOA.Alcoa.com (noaadc-msw03.noa.alcoa.com [147.154.9.220] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RJO1R18170 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from NOAADC-MXI02.NOA.Alcoa.com (unverified) by NOAADC-MSW03.NOA.Alcoa.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:23:53 -0400 Received: by NOAADC-MXI02.NOA.Alcoa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:23:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Fairchild, Connie E." To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] Vintage Costume list Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:23:52 -0400 Status: RO Perhaps I got dropped, but I know the list got to be very slow and I haven't gotten anything for sometime. I wonder if it's even active anymore. Connie Fairchild --------------- sylvia wrote: I can't seem to get subscribed to the vintage costume list (if anyone knows, please inform) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 16:08:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28004 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:08:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RK92OX021925; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RK90P15421; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WDNE2K.mackie.com ([12.144.236.95]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RK7YP14521 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:07:34 -0600 (MDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Books on Italy, silk, etc. Thread-Index: AcJBt3jmSGFfFJj1SQq3n9F+jhUvNwMS78dw From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7RK7YP14521 Subject: [h-cost] More plait braiding info Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:06:25 -0700 Status: RO Hi everyone, Some time back, I thought I had a great lead for making the trim on the sleeve ends and neckline of the purple dress in The Last Judgment (Nardo di Cione, Santa Maria Novella, Florence, 1350's) with plait braiding. I've since checked out the Peter Collingwood book, _The Techniques of Ply-Split Braiding_, Unicorn Books and Crafts, Petaluma, CA, 1998. (Thanks for the info, Megan.) While the book is a great source for learning how to do this - lots and lots of detailed diagrams and explanations, none of the locations mentioned in the book were in Europe. Not one mention of Europe in the entire book. *darn* The locations that were discussed were in Rajasthan and Gujurate in NW India, Afghanistan, Pakistan and strangely enough, among the Guajiro Indians of Columbia (South America). There was also mention of a single example that was found in the excavations at Masada, Israel - possibly dated to AD73. There was also a citation of a possible picture of ply-split braiding "in Ain-i-Akbar, a survey of the kingdom of the great Mogul ruler Akbar (1542-1605)..." (p 18 of the book). So....unless anyone else out there has a fabulous source that I haven't found yet, I think I have to rule this out until I can find something that actually documents its use in Europe. Back to researching, Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 16:15:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28037 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:15:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RKFwOX022529; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:15:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RKFsP19885; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7RKAPP16391 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:10:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020827201024.95544.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:10:24 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enacting the "norm" (WAS: cross-dressing soldiers) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:10:24 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > > husband and I both make medieval costumes. I'm afraid I'm not planning > to have children - is this a betrayal of the costuming community?! Boo hiss, Jean! Boo hiss! down! Down! *GRINS* Nicole - yes, it is, in case you wonder. I could have done with a trainee corset maker. ;-) ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 16:39:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28196 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:39:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RKcsOX024738; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:38:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RKcqP04510; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:38:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RKYqP01684 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:34:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H1I00HJ8RT8PU@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:34:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3D6BE292.4010504@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Subject: [h-cost] Had to share this Ebay dress.... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:35:30 -0500 Status: RO Check this one out..... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=952238612 $7500.00?? and Authentic Vintage Renaissance? In the description... Empire Waist, Sheer Eyelet, Victorian?? I feel sorry for the poor girl if it is true she paid 7,500.00 dollars for it and the shop keeper actually sold it as a restored vintage renaissance. -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 17:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28528 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:55:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RLt9OX001416; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:55:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RLt4B19745; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:55:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06ps.bigpond.com (mta06ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.138]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RLspB19539 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:54:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.84]) by mta06ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H1IVJ800.IJD for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:54:44 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.137 ([203.54.114.137]) by psmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 110/5932298); 28 Aug 2002 07:54:39 Message-ID: <3D6CE5B8.339F3A43@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: cross dressing soldiers References: <07f801c24771$756931a0$a4784ed5@melaniew> <3D626183.6871C168@bigpond.com> <01bb01c2480c$8a4e7440$be794ed5@pavilion> <3D650C77.C296C88C@bigpond.com> <031301c249a4$dc287ba0$b16e4ed5@pavilion> <3D6AD0B7.3999F26C@dandy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:01:13 -0700 Status: RO leigh tartaglio wrote: > Hi, All. Regarding the cross-dressing Doctor, he was probably punished for the > scandal of cross-dressing, as midwives at the time, although free to practice > their trade mostly unhindered, were still examined on their skills and licenced > by the local medical professionals, both surgeons and doctors. Surgeons were > usually only called in with cases of difficult or undeliverable births, and > then they were there only to render surgical assistance to the midwife > (although I'm sure they pretty much took over the operation, being the > misogynistic gits that they were) The Doctors were so far removed from the > physical aspects of surgery and childbirth that it was probably the > embarrassment of being caught, as well as the being caught in drag, that got > the fellow offed. Besides, he was probably a troublemaker, anyway (read > Paracelsian). God forbid that he should learn from direct observation, rather > than quote Galen verbatim. Mike T. who occasionally passess Michael Graham, > Free of the Company and Mystery of Barber-Surgeons of the City of London, and > serving as Surgeon Ordinary at the Hospital of St. Thomas, Southwark > Well this is what I thought (ie but surgeons were called for some births anyway), although the implication in the book that I read it in was that the problem was his intruding into a female-only mystery. It just goes to show that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing (or a lot of knowledge about only one thing). I'm all for multiple specialisations. It's funny how one can inform another. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 18:20:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28667 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:20:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RML4OX003706; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RML2B04948; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RMKTB04608 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:20:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303b ([12.238.186.49]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020827222023.MQCX1186.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@c59303b> for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:20:23 +0000 Message-ID: <011c01c24e18$10012f90$31baee0c@c59303b> From: "chiara" To: References: <3D6BE292.4010504@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share this Ebay dress.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "chiara" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:18:30 -0500 Status: RO That is too funny, I cannot type another word! Sincerely, Chiara Ansteorra, Steppes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] Had to share this Ebay dress.... > Check this one out..... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=952238612 > > $7500.00?? and Authentic Vintage Renaissance? > > In the description... Empire Waist, Sheer Eyelet, Victorian?? > I feel sorry for the poor girl if it is true she paid 7,500.00 dollars for it and the shop > keeper actually sold it as a restored vintage renaissance. > -- > Linda Thompson > > Visit www.seams-to-be.com > where Attitude is Everything > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 18:27:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28688 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:27:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RMS1OX004206; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RMS1B08935; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RMRIB08536 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id ADA1276901F0; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:30:57 -0500 Message-ID: <00ba01c24e18$e1c28b00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3D6BE292.4010504@comcast.net> <011c01c24e18$10012f90$31baee0c@c59303b> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share this Ebay dress.... X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:27:08 -0400 Status: RO Where is a photo of it??????? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 18:44:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28780 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:44:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RMi2OX005471; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RMi1B17868; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RMhHB17464 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:43:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ANGELA (adsl-63-202-198-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.198.62]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7RMhGp125160 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:43:16 -0400 Message-ID: <007801c24e1b$6b7ea2a0$0c0010ac@ANGELA> From: "Angela F. Lazear- Cabbage Rose" To: References: <3D6BE292.4010504@comcast.net> <011c01c24e18$10012f90$31baee0c@c59303b> <00ba01c24e18$e1c28b00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share this Ebay dress.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:45:18 -0700 Status: RO Penny the photos are buried at the bottom of the rather lengthy story of how she acquired the dress and her reasons for not wearing it after all.... I so hope she didn't really pay that kind of money for what looks like a 70's McClintock prom dress. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "The truth of it is, I have no shirt." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share this Ebay dress.... > Where is a photo of it??????? > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 18:56:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28884 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:56:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RMuFOX006352; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:56:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RMuEB24678; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:56:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RMtvB24500 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:55:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21540 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:58:24 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share this Ebay dress.... In-Reply-To: <00ba01c24e18$e1c28b00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:58:24 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Where is a photo of it??????? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=952238612 You have to scroll down to the very bottom of the listing. It's a nice enough dress, but I am skeptical that it's "vintage" anything. Hard to tell much from the photos, though. I'd love Penny's take on this! In any case, someone will get a bargain. There's about an hour left on the auction and the bidding is up to $33, no reserve. The fabric is probably worth that much -- though she doesn't say what the fiber content is. If it were really worth $7,000 I think she would have started it a little higher and/or put in a reserve, don't you? She says she's selling a crinoline separately, but it's not her list (current or completed). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 18:58:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28897 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:58:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RMx3OX006523; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RMx1B26061; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RMwlB25974 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:58:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A50030F3027E; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:02:24 -0500 Message-ID: <00fb01c24e1d$45a8be60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3D6BE292.4010504@comcast.net> <011c01c24e18$10012f90$31baee0c@c59303b> <00ba01c24e18$e1c28b00$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <007801c24e1b$6b7ea2a0$0c0010ac@ANGELA> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share this Ebay dress.... X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:58:34 -0400 Status: RO Strange, all I got were broken images. Maybe I just had to much opened on my computer. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 19:05:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28947 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:05:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7RN63OX007016; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:06:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RN61B29800; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7RN5sB29738 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:05:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A6AD255B01B6; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:09:33 -0500 Message-ID: <010201c24e1e$45153b80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share this Ebay dress.... X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:05:43 -0400 Status: RO Oh, I see it now... after all the text and the broken images icons.... the fabric is pretty. I agree, $7,000. I hope she got it on sale. Just because $7,000 was retail, doesn't mean that she originally paid that cost for it. Gosh, in the 70s I paid $300 for my wedding gown and I thought that was a lot of money then. My gown was pictured in Brides magazine. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 27 23:18:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30055 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:18:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7S3J5OX019616; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7S3J1B26839; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7S3IXB26730 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:18:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A1E42FE2027A; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:22:12 -0500 Message-ID: <009401c24e41$910a3040$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] It Works!!! X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:18:22 -0400 Status: RO Sylvia, Catching up on last weeks mail.... thank you for giving me the tip on adding the location to our biblio information on our online articles. Prior to our current projects we always used national magazines. Over the next year, we will be adding publications that were not nationally know. So it is good for us to know what designers want. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "sylvia" To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] It Works!!! > on 8/22/02 2:39 PM, Penny Ladnier at penny@costumegallery.com wrote: > > > Sylvia, > > > > It was printed in Chicago. I have to tell you, I was thrilled to see this > > information in this catalog. It tell you exactly what to put on. > > > As a theatrical costumer, it's good to know where it came from. I can't > wait to see it all! > > Sylvia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 00:48:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30434 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:48:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7S4n5OX024002; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7S4n0B24386; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7S4mJB24197 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:48:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m200.in-tch.com [216.166.191.200]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7S4Xr114101 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D6C577C.FB9FB06D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Here I come! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:54:20 -0600 Status: RO Woo-hooo! I'm headed for England in less than 8 hours (and hell, no, I haven't finished packing yet!). Teddy...I'll see you Friday for dinner! Nicole...don't think I'll get to see you, but I'll at least wave in your direction! --Sue, going off-computer to pack and figure out how to get sewing needles on the airplane.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 00:52:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30448 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:52:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7S4r2OX024154; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7S4r1B25554; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7S4qTB25407 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:52:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020828045224.KNMM1186.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:52:24 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c24e4e$afdc9640$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <3D6BE292.4010504@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share this Ebay dress.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:52:18 -0700 Status: RO At least the winning bidder only paid $51 for it... - Kendra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] Had to share this Ebay dress.... > Check this one out..... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=952238612 > > $7500.00?? and Authentic Vintage Renaissance? > > In the description... Empire Waist, Sheer Eyelet, Victorian?? > I feel sorry for the poor girl if it is true she paid 7,500.00 dollars for it and the shop > keeper actually sold it as a restored vintage renaissance. > -- > Linda Thompson > > Visit www.seams-to-be.com > where Attitude is Everything > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 00:56:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30457 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:56:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7S4v1OX024257; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7S4v0B26678; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20202.mail.yahoo.com (web20202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7S4uTB26521 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:56:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020828045629.64289.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.231.3] by web20202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:56:29 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D6C577C.FB9FB06D@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Lady from South Aussie - please contact me Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:56:29 +1000 (EST) Status: RO Sorry all, I've gone and done a daft thing (and that's the first time I've ever used that particular word before - how odd) and misplaced the e-mail from the other South Aussie on this list who is after an email address for a local costumer who supplies boning. After all that I'm not even sure it was this list, but if so please contact me offlist. Thanks. :) Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 04:28:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA20024 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:28:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7S8T3OX001917; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7S8T1B18376; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7S8SKB18227 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:28:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AA80325E0248; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:32:00 -0500 Message-ID: <013901c24e6c$cc8814e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Grant Update Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:27:50 -0400 Status: RO I have made an online journal of our progress of working on our A Year in Fashion: 1920s Series: 1920-1923 (AYIF). The Costume Society of America's Region VI awarded me with the 2002 Professional Development Grant in June. The grant is to expand our AYIF articles online. A link to the journal can be found on the front of The Gallery. There you will see our progress through the developments of the different sites. Currently, Susan and I are working on two projects, one is a 1923 band uniform catalog (yes, we finally dated it) and a 1922 Raynster Raincoat catalog. For those who find menswear boring and think that it never changes, you might want to watch this work go up on the web. There is quite a variety. When you follow the Journal of Progress you will get an insider's view on how we decide which projects are decided to come first in the project, demos of the webpages, and ideas expanded upon from visitors. A good example was a designer asked me to put the location of the place of publication or the locations of stores that the catalogs sold from. I didn't realize how important this was to a designer until she explained... "The origin of the costume helps with the location in a play." As in the Raynster catalog, you will see there is a difference what a NYC policeman wears opposed to Chicago policeman. If you have a suggestion or comment as we are building the websites over the next year or so, please drop us a line from the Journal page. Your suggestion is really important to us. And if you know of more grants, we have several ideas for new projects! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 06:00:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20573 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:00:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SA12OX004219; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SA11B06993; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SA0LB06819 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A0116200CA; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:04:01 -0500 Message-ID: <014c01c24e79$9bd91620$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Play on Words Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:59:32 -0400 Status: RO Come on... put your thinking caps on... I need your help in a way to title a webpage for guidelines to menswear for 1910. Please look at http://www.costumegallery.com/1910/Men/Suits/guidelines.htm , then read the title in the gray box that says "1910 Menswear Dress Codes." These were originally titles "Dress Guide." I know you and I know the meaning, but I don't want to confuse the general public. I feel if I say "Dress Codes" it would sound to harsh, but it does get it point across. I think if I use the word "Guidelines" no one would know what I am talking about. I feel like I am stuck in time here. What would you title the page, and still have everyday people understand what it is. This page will eventually be in a framed webpage, so there will be a text button to link to it. So the words have to be short and brief. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 06:26:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20684 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:26:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SAR3OX004855; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SAR2B13246; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SAQXB13106 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:26:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.143]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1J001YIUC67R@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:26:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enacting the "norm" In-reply-to: <20020826205742.33873.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020828031132.00c73260@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020824215427.00cc5e90@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:18:42 -0700 Status: RO > > Yet another reason to >re-enact typical examples is that I would have to > > break character and pull my documentation out of my pocket if I did a > > non-typical example. It's better 'theatre' to all look pretty much the > > same, and less confusing to the tourists who see the group. > >Ah yes, I agree if you do first person, but I personally abhorr first person, >because it is 'theatre' as you so rightly say, and I prefer to indulge with >knowledgable public in bordering academic discussions instead of pretending >that I am what I cannot be. I think it spoils the mood if I dress up like a 19th century person and then act like a 21st century person. So my choice is to do it first person. Theatre/'living history' imparts different information than a scholarly presentation does, true enough, but I don't think either choice is the ultimate 'right way'. >I do agree though about the 'norm' thing but at the same time I also find it >important to show different levels of society where possible. There are different norms for each of the different levels, and I agree that it is important to show all of them, for balance and context, whenever possible. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 06:36:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20723 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:36:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SAb3OX005096; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SAb1B15481; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7SAacB15419 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:36:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020828103636.73528.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:36:36 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enacting the "norm" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020828031132.00c73260@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:36:36 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I think it spoils the mood if I dress up like a 19th century person and > then act like a 21st century person. So my choice is to do it first > person. Theatre/'living history' imparts different information than a > scholarly presentation does, true enough, but I don't think either choice > is the ultimate 'right way'. I fully agree with the last bit, there is no 'right way' only personal choice. Some people (public and living historian alike) like one way, others like another. BTW, we don't behave like 21st century people nor talk in that way when it comes to using slang or modern ways of sloppily talking, if that makes sense. We talk like I would in the classroom, I use phrses, when in costume for example like 'someone would do this or that' or ''I' would do this or that' but never 'I do'. Anyway, very true, I believe that there is no 'right way' and the rest is wrong in pretty much everything in life. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Yeah, it's me, -C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 08:08:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21356 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:08:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SC91OX007522; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SC90B09409; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SC8rB09367 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:08:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLTZ42H74G00A9F8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:08:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLTZ40FH0O00BIZ1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:08:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:06:51 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:06:39 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.38) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:06:35 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets In-reply-to: <20020825143200.17595.61128.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5CCC920151B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:06:34 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > But Teddy, > its a costume, its all costume. At least that's the way a > friend of mine who went back to school to get a degree in business > described it. The dress code for the students was shirt, tie, > jackets and slacks for the men. Women were required to wear hose > and heels with their suits. This was to give some of these kid > straight out of highschool an idea of what would be required of > them in some financial/business arenas. But part of my point is that it shouldn't be necessary for people in the financial/business community to feel they have to dress that way either. What they wear should not be relevant to their financial/business work. If they want to do that work in t shirts and jeans, or shorts or whatevever, it shouldn't make any difference to the *owrk* they do. Places insisting their students in those areas dress like that, and companies insisting their employees dress like that perpetuate the expectation of that being *the* way to dress for that sort of work... so there's nothing to break the cycle of it happening. We have *one* member of staff who wears shirt, tie and suit trousers to work. He dresses that way for work by choice, not because he has to, but seeing him at the library counter gives me the creeps and makes me think it presents such an un- neccessarily cold/business-like/unwelcoming first point of contact to the students. (OK, so that's my personal hang-up with business suits and wearing ties....) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 08:12:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21375 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:12:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SCD0OX007636; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SCD0B10444; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SCCsB10413 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:12:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLTZ95TD1C009RS9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:12:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLTZ931YZQ007VCZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:12:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:10:56 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:10:28 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.38) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:10:24 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets In-reply-to: <20020825143200.17595.61128.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5CCD96B1B61@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:10:24 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > The idea was people see what they expect to see. Unless something > is jarringly off, most folks just won't notice. For the most opart, yes. Like someone acting as if they are supposed to be doing whatever it is they're doing attracting no attention whereas someone trying to conceal what they're doing being noticed.... on the other hand, there will always be "spotters" who see right through it. My twin is one - she can pick out even the most convincing cross-dresser at a glance and once inadvertantly "outed" the brother of a school-friend at a family party because it was so *obvious* (to her) that he and his "friend" were a couple - it wasn't until she mentioned it and saw realization dawning on his parents and sister's faces that she realized no-one else had any idea..... Ooooops! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 09:39:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21870 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:39:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SDe3OX011340; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SDe1B06423; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SDdNB06218 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:39:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pool-63.53.184.221.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.184.221]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17k32X-00063A-00; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:39:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: To: apprentice@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com, West Kingdom needleworkers guild Mailing List , HistoricKnit@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Sept-Oct PieceWork Magazine Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:16:50 -0700 Status: RO As I mentioned some time ago, PieceWork's Sept/Oct issue is a special issue called "A Celebration of Knitting". I finally got my copy today, which I was anxiously awaiting because.... I have an article in it! I promised to alert everyone when it was actually OUT, so here you are! I'm on pages 33, 34, and 35, "A Bag with Medieval Islamic Motifs to Knit." The bag looks quite nice in the photo, if I do say so myself..... . They only used about five paragraphs of my original article, but it's still pretty cool. . (For anyone not familiar with PieceWork, it's a U.S. magazine from Interweave Press: http://www.interweave.com. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 09:50:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21929 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:50:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SDp2OX011909; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SDp1B10457; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SDo3B10076 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLU2NJRZDC00B48V@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:50:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLU2NI4LDS00AYHW@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:50:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:48:04 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:47:29 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.38) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:47:20 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] My Haul In-reply-to: <20020826180012.1972.86043.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5CE77656687@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:47:20 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I love being bribed... > > In exchange for a hunter-green velvet Italian Ren for Vik (who > hasn't even gotten the purple one yet....) > > 4 yards of 60" melon-colored peachskin (yes, Teddy, it's > ORANGE!!), Wooohooo! > 2 yards of fuschia wool, 8 yards of carnation pink fustian, and > some hot pink fustian. (don't remember the amount.) > > I also have the screaming yellow brocade, and the orange-brick-red > wool yet. I could make something truly, truly, evil out of this. Sounds scrummy Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 09:59:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22002 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:59:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SDx2OX012308; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SDx1B13410; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SDwuB13376 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:58:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLU2YPUDEO00C49Y@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:59:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLU2YP9AAK00B1V1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:59:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:57:05 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:56:24 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.38) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:56:17 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII baby picture? In-reply-to: <20020827025801.6139.54213.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5CE9D681634@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:56:17 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I was looking for something specific on the NM website and this popped > up. I could not believe my eyes but then it is Neiman Marcus. :) > > http://www.neimanmarcus.com/products/n/F2G2723_n.jpg It looks like > that painting of Henry when he was an infant. Looks like the painting of Eleanore de Toledo's son to me. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 10:50:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22238 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:50:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SEo5OX015858; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SEo2B06742; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SEndB06495 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:49:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrwbc55 ([204.127.198.44]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020828144933.JPQB14185.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:49:33 +0000 Received: from [128.95.140.212] by rwcrwbc55; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:49:32 +0000 From: Gia_Gavino@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Play on Words X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 12 2002) Message-Id: <20020828144933.JPQB14185.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:49:32 +0000 Status: RO Hi! Here are some suggestions: 1910 Fine Gentlemen Wear The 1910 Gentleman's Gentleman 1910 Gentleman's Wear Instructions 1910 Gentleman's Attire for all Occasions Just my penny's worth (*wink*).. Gia/Giacinta > Come on... put your thinking caps on... > > I need your help in a way to title a webpage for guidelines to menswear for > 1910. Please look at > http://www.costumegallery.com/1910/Men/Suits/guidelines.htm , then read the > title in the gray box that says "1910 Menswear Dress Codes." These were > originally titles "Dress Guide." I know you and I know the meaning, but I > don't want to confuse the general public. I feel if I say "Dress Codes" it > would sound to harsh, but it does get it point across. I think if I use the > word "Guidelines" no one would know what I am talking about. I feel like I > am stuck in time here. > > What would you title the page, and still have everyday people understand > what it is. This page will eventually be in a framed webpage, so there will > be a text button to link to it. So the words have to be short and brief. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 11:03:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22294 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:03:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SF44OX016833; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SF43B13875; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SF3UB13617 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:03:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net ([63.195.84.96]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1K001TR75T6Z@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: larry kincaid Subject: Re: [h-cost] Play on Words To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D6CE758.C48EDA0C@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <014c01c24e79$9bd91620$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:08:08 -0700 Status: RO Penny: A few years ago I was invited to a New Years eve dinner dance at an exclusive private club in San Francisco by this lady that I dance with at various dances around the bay area. So I says "what shall I wear white tie and tails" and she goes " O no the protocol calls for dinner jacket, black tie and either wing collar or turndown collar". That is the only time I ever heard dress code being called protocol. So I don't know, she may be the only one that ever used that term. regards Larry Kincaid Penny Ladnier wrote: > Come on... put your thinking caps on... > > I need your help in a way to title a webpage for guidelines to menswear for > 1910. Please look at > http://www.costumegallery.com/1910/Men/Suits/guidelines.htm , then read the > title in the gray box that says "1910 Menswear Dress Codes." These were > originally titles "Dress Guide." I know you and I know the meaning, but I > don't want to confuse the general public. I feel if I say "Dress Codes" it > would sound to harsh, but it does get it point across. I think if I use the > word "Guidelines" no one would know what I am talking about. I feel like I > am stuck in time here. > > What would you title the page, and still have everyday people understand > what it is. This page will eventually be in a framed webpage, so there will > be a text button to link to it. So the words have to be short and brief. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 11:38:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22697 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:38:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SFcsOX019804; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:38:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SFbvB02992; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:38:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g7SFani02221; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:36:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@net.indra.com, vintage@net.indra.com Message-ID: <20020828093635.A23685@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] new Dover books on Victorian Fashions, Church Vestments Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:36:39 -0600 Status: RO I just got this press release from Dover Books: "It was about a year and a half ago that fashion authority Kristina Harris shipped to us a large (heavily insured) carton full of rare photographs. She'd been collecting them for years, always with an eye towards those especially valuable in documenting the changing modes of fashion in Victorian America. The book resulting from those photographs is VICTORIAN FASHION IN AMERICA: 264 VINTAGE PHOTOGRAPHS. It's an absolutely remarkable photo survey of American fashion from the 1850s to the turn of the century. For complete details, just use this link -- http://store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/clink?doverpublications+tKjEL5+0486418146.html "The fascinating evolution of liturgical dress is the subject of eminent English fashion historian Herbert Norris in CHURCH VESTMENTS: THEIR ORIGIN AND DEVELOPMENT. The meticulously researched text and 270 of the author's own illustrations trace the development of church vestments from the first century A.D. to around 1400. To see this book, just use this link -- http://store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/clink?doverpublications+tKjEL5+0486422569.html "Other new titles include Carolyn G. Bradley's fine outline history Western World Costume; a 1910 classic on British costume from the Saxon period to 1820; and a beautifully rendered coloring book on Chinese Fashions. To see them all, here's a special link -- http://store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/clink?doverpublications+tKjEL5+fas-wel.html "In a few weeks the editorial board will be reviewing fashion titles for next season's list and some of the titles we'll be considering are direct suggestions from readers like you. So if you have any suggestions for us, we'd love to hear about them soon. Sincerely, Paul Negri Editor-in-Chief ----- End forwarded message ----- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 11:51:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22758 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:51:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SFp7OX021355; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:51:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SFp3G11005; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m28.boston.juno.com (m28.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7SFooG10851 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:50:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWsQ5SraTVuARxq7rM1+JCpfkA+kkNVRTWA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id HBBFXJA3; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:50:04 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage outfit Message-ID: <20020828.114931.-136285.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:50:03 -0400 Status: RO I have pictures of my mother wearing pants in the 20s. Don't know about three piece outfits, but they wore pants in public frequently. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 11:59:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22780 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:59:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SG03OX022129; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SG01G16351; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WDNE2K.mackie.com ([12.144.236.95]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SFxNG16003 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:59:23 -0600 (MDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: On-line Latin translation? Thread-Index: AcJOq7avrXz58+VsQ8C6WtUahzXQVQ== From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7SFxNG16003 Subject: [h-cost] On-line Latin translation? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:58:13 -0700 Status: RO Hi everyone, Does anyone know of an on-line Latin translation site? Or at least an on-line Latin dictionary? I've got a copy of _Stattuti Dell'Arte dei Rigattieri E Linaioli di Firenze 1296-1340_ and the text is in Latin. I'm hoping this will give me some of that linen documentation that I've been searching for. Thanks in advance for any suggestions! Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 12:14:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23187 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:14:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SGE6OX023315; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:14:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SGE0G25073; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SGDdG24858 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-126-133.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.126.133]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AKG63482; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:13:28 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00c801c24eae$48907d20$4d694ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] On-line Latin translation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:16:35 +0100 Status: RO try http://www.nd.edu/~archives/latin.htm Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 12:26:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23540 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:26:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SGR6OX024469; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SGR1G03885; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7SGQ2G03148 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OnQQ5lqWmtW403FL8m5oT2Q="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id HBBHYKXH; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:25:35 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20020828.092509.-213645.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-19 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Subject: [h-cost] Working "costume": was Brocades and silks and velvets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:55:06 +0000 Status: RO I've found it interesting that the various colleges I've worked for over the years as a professional tutor have requested that we (the tutors) not wear "professional" clothes. It does set us apart from the teachers somewhat, but the main thing is that we are far less intimidating to the students if we dress casually and they're more likely to be relaxed with us as a result. Arlys On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:06:34 +0000 (GMT) Teddy writes: > > > But Teddy, > > its a costume, its all costume. At least that's the way a > > friend of mine who went back to school to get a degree in business > > described it. The dress code for the students was shirt, tie, > > jackets and slacks for the men. Women were required to wear hose > > and heels with their suits. This was to give some of these kid > > straight out of highschool an idea of what would be required of > > them in some financial/business arenas. [snip] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 14:13:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24538 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:13:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SIE4OX003403; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SIE1G10547; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SID0G10016 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.135]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7SID0a180144 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:13:00 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c24ebe$a423fd50$872daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <5CCD96B1B61@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Outing" O/T was Brocades and silks and velvets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:13:41 -0700 Status: RO Teddy, That would be me. I find any couple so natural and so recognizable that I'll be like "Oh you guys are so cute together" (be it gals/guys, whatever) and I'm afraid I would assume it was open. I guess I'll be extra careful, although in theater, very little is kept in the closet but props. angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets > > The idea was people see what they expect to see. Unless something > > is jarringly off, most folks just won't notice. > > For the most opart, yes. Like someone acting as if they are > supposed to be doing whatever it is they're doing attracting no > attention whereas someone trying to conceal what they're doing > being noticed.... on the other hand, there will always be "spotters" > who see right through it. My twin is one - she can pick out even > the most convincing cross-dresser at a glance and once > inadvertantly "outed" the brother of a school-friend at a family party > because it was so *obvious* (to her) that he and his "friend" were a > couple - it wasn't until she mentioned it and saw realization > dawning on his parents and sister's faces that she realized no-one > else had any idea..... Ooooops! > > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 14:18:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24554 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:18:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SIJ1OX003861; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SIJ1G13497; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SIIfG13348 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:18:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.135]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7SIIea272542 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:18:40 -0400 Message-ID: <006301c24ebf$6f326950$872daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <20020828.092509.-213645.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working "costume": was Brocades and silks and velvets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:19:22 -0700 Status: RO There is some validity to the argument that a more "professional" look is going to be read as more professional. We identify ourselves by dress, and not just our gender or taste, but often our stations and positions in life. There is something more commanding (albeit maybe more off-putting) about a man or woman in a suit as opposed to same in jeans and a tee. In court, attorneys MUST wear proper attire or it is considered disrespectful. My office used to be very formal, but with me at the helm (I manage a law office for my husband, and have for 20 years) it has over the years relaxed considerably, but I must admit I'm not real fond of the receptionist wearing jeans instead of a dress. She's a beautiful girl, and has tatoos peeking out from under her tees on her back. I don't forbid it, but it is not the first impression I'd like to be presenting at work to strangers. Although she is always very well groomed, and not at all sloppy. angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] Working "costume": was Brocades and silks and velvets > I've found it interesting that the various colleges I've worked for over > the years as a professional tutor have requested that we (the tutors) not > wear "professional" clothes. It does set us apart from the teachers > somewhat, but the main thing is that we are far less intimidating to the > students if we dress casually and they're more likely to be relaxed with > us as a result. > > Arlys > > On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:06:34 +0000 (GMT) Teddy writes: > > > > > But Teddy, > > > its a costume, its all costume. At least that's the way a > > > friend of mine who went back to school to get a degree in business > > > described it. The dress code for the students was shirt, tie, > > > jackets and slacks for the men. Women were required to wear hose > > > and heels with their suits. This was to give some of these kid > > > straight out of highschool an idea of what would be required of > > > them in some financial/business arenas. > > [snip] > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 14:53:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24748 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:53:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SIs4OX007359; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SIs1X03092; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f104.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SIrVX02813 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:53:25 -0700 Received: from 12.231.158.181 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:53:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.158.181] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Play on Words Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2002 18:53:25.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[30D83EF0:01C24EC4] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:53:24 -0700 Status: RO What about 1910 Gentleman's Style guides? >From: Gia_Gavino@attbi.com >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Play on Words >Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:49:32 +0000 > >Hi! Here are some suggestions: > >1910 Fine Gentlemen Wear > >The 1910 Gentleman's Gentleman > >1910 Gentleman's Wear Instructions > >1910 Gentleman's Attire for all Occasions > >Just my penny's worth (*wink*).. >Gia/Giacinta > > Come on... put your thinking caps on... > > > > I need your help in a way to title a webpage for guidelines to menswear >for > > 1910. Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 15:26:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24978 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:26:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SJQiOX010430; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:26:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SJQhX21934; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:26:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from s890.widexs.nl (s890.widexs.nl [212.204.254.94]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SJMQX19276 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:22:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by s890.widexs.nl (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9CDD61C0A7; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:29:26 +0200 (MEST) From: Chiara To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII baby picture? References: <5CE9D681634@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> In-reply-to: <5CE9D681634@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Host: [199.91.36.254] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: XS2Mail/0.5 (http://www.xs2mail.com/) Message-Id: <20020828192926.9CDD61C0A7@s890.widexs.nl> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:29:26 -0000 Status: RO Yep, that was already posted, over and over. On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:56:17 +0000 (GMT), Teddy wrote: > >> I was looking for something specific on the NM website and this popped >> up. I could not believe my eyes but then it is Neiman Marcus. :) >> >> http://www.neimanmarcus.com/products/n/F2G2723_n.jpg It looks like >> that painting of Henry when he was an infant. > >Looks like the painting of Eleanore de Toledo's son to me. > >Teddy >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 17:09:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25492 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:09:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SL92WV019683; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SL90T23212; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from indiego.ntw.net (IDENT:root@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SL8OT22833 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:08:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.124.5.104] (p40.3c07.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.5.104]) by indiego.ntw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23927 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:07:03 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage outfit From: sylvia To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020828.114931.-136285.0.catpurson@juno.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:56:57 -0600 Status: RO on 8/27/02 3:50 PM, Lalah T Tillinghast at catpurson@juno.com wrote: > I have pictures of my mother wearing pants in the 20s. Don't > know about three piece outfits, but they wore pants in public frequently. > > Lalah > I'm aware of that. But this is a pants outfit with a skirt over kit. Sylvia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 17:59:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26695 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:59:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SM0AWV023693; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:00:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SM03T23077; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SLpxT18350 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A6DC2A7801D8; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:55:40 -0500 Message-ID: <003f01c24edd$1c588f20$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage outfit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:51:48 -0400 Status: RO Pants were worn during WW1 and during the 1920s but they were for casual wear. There are so really cute patterns in the Delineator magazines. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "sylvia" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage outfit > on 8/27/02 3:50 PM, Lalah T Tillinghast at catpurson@juno.com wrote: > > > I have pictures of my mother wearing pants in the 20s. Don't > > know about three piece outfits, but they wore pants in public frequently. > > > > Lalah > > > I'm aware of that. But this is a pants outfit with a skirt over kit. > > Sylvia > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 18:13:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26772 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:13:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SMEQWV024782; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SMEPT01490; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SM4KT25621 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.53] (as3-4-67.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.53]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7SM4I909710 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5CCC920151B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <5CCC920151B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brocades and silks and velvets Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:52:35 -0700 Status: RO At 1:06 PM +0000 8/28/02, Teddy wrote: > > But Teddy, >> its a costume, its all costume. At least that's the way a >> friend of mine who went back to school to get a degree in business >> described it. The dress code for the students was shirt, tie, >> jackets and slacks for the men. Women were required to wear hose >> and heels with their suits. This was to give some of these kid >> straight out of highschool an idea of what would be required of >> them in some financial/business arenas. > >But part of my point is that it shouldn't be necessary for people in >the financial/business community to feel they have to dress that >way either. What they wear should not be relevant to their >financial/business work. If they want to do that work in t shirts and >jeans, or shorts or whatevever, it shouldn't make any difference to >the *owrk* they do. Places insisting their students in those areas >dress like that, and companies insisting their employees dress like >that perpetuate the expectation of that being *the* way to dress for >that sort of work... so there's nothing to break the cycle of it >happening. I understand your underlying point, but I think there are valid arguments for the general principles of the other side. It doesn't tend to be human nature to compartmentalize our attitudes and personalities and habits into specific fields of behavior. That is, a person's attitudes towards clothing are not completely severed and separated from their attitudes towards many other things. Similarly, a person's attitudes towards spoken conversation aren't divorced from their attitudes towards other things, and so forth. It's also true that a person's attitudes on one particular facet of behavior don't absolutely determine or predict other facets of their behavior. On a regular basis in life, we have to try to evaluate and predict how a person will behave with regard to factor Z when the data we have available to make that prediction has to do with factors W, X, and Y. And, being highly visual-oriented creatures, one of the factors we regularly have available to us to try to help us make predictions about behavior are visual cues --e.g. clothing. Furthermore, from the active side, clothing is one way that people regularly use to communicate (or deliberately mis-communicate, to be sure) things like group-membership and attitude. Looking at my own environment (university), back in the 70s or so when professors began to break away from the rigid suit-and-tie mould, it wasn't entirely because they felt that how they dressed should be irrelevant to what they had to communicate -- there was also a strong streak of wanting their dress to communicate _different_ things than what a suit and tie communicated. (And, this being Berkeley, we'll leave aside the communicative purpose of public nudity.) In a financial/business environment, one of the messages a person wants to communicate to those they interact with is that they are a careful, meticulous, detail-oriented person -- you don't want to entrust your money to someone who is sloppy and careless with money. Now, of course, it's perfectly possible for a person to be extremely careful and meticulous with money and also be extremely informal and non-meticulous with clothing (and it's possible for someone to be extremely careful and meticulous with clothing and be an utter slime-ball with money), but if you're trying to judge whether this particular person is going to be careful and meticulous with _your_ money _before_ you hand it over and have direct experience, then you'll want to use every possible bit of data available. So you look for general attitudes that the person -- both consciously and subconsciously -- is expressing in how they talk, how they act, and how they dress. Now, to be sure, some dress codes (whether explicit or implicit) exist partly for the purpose of creating and evaluating group-solidarity: "are you going to play by the company rules, or are you an unpredictable maverick?" But I rather suspect that the attitude precedes the dress codes -- a company that's interested in conformity and group-think from its employees will require it whether the requirement is also expressed in a dress code or not. (This is the flip side of "students will bully other students about _something_ even if clothing isn't available as a topic.) So sometimes dress codes can be a useful warn-off (or at least advance warning) in a field where the underlying attitudes aren't otherwise easily visible. I'm trying desperately at this point to tie this in to various clearly historic examples of the practice. How about thing like mendicant religious orders. Suppose you're under a vow of poverty, but someone as an act of charity gives you a fur-lined silk brocade cloak? Do you go ahead and wear it (because accepting charity doesn't break your vow of poverty) or do you decline to wear it because it is a visible symbol of what you have renounced? Sumptuary laws -- now there's a better tie-in -- the purpose has nothing to do with the practical requirements of particular groups of people, but rather is about the communicative value of clothes as to group-membership. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 28 20:27:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27538 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:27:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7T0RtWV004142; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7T0RrT02978; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:27:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20207.mail.yahoo.com (web20207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7T0DlT27219 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:13:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020829001347.22201.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.142.167.204] by web20207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:13:47 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Play on Words To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <014c01c24e79$9bd91620$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:13:47 +1000 (EST) Status: RO --- Penny Ladnier wrote: > Come on... put your thinking caps on... > > I need your help in a way to title a webpage for > guidelines to menswear for > 1910. Please look at > http://www.costumegallery.com/1910/Men/Suits/guidelines.htm > , then read the > title in the gray box that says "1910 Menswear Dress > Codes." These were > originally titles "Dress Guide." I know you and I > know the meaning, but I > don't want to confuse the general public. I feel if > I say "Dress Codes" it > would sound to harsh, but it does get it point > across. I think if I use the > word "Guidelines" no one would know what I am > talking about. I feel like I > am stuck in time here. > > What would you title the page, and still have > everyday people understand > what it is. Hmmm...It's also important because that's what the search engines will pick up on first.... How about 1910 Menswear: Gentleman's Fashion Etiquette or 1910 Menswear: Clothing "How-To" or even 1910 Menswear: Fashion Styling for a Gentleman Bella http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:00:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18187 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:00:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UG1eWV000845; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:01:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UG1Wj29385; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:01:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from indiego.ntw.net (IDENT:root@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7SNK2T05724 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.124.5.110] (p46.3c07.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.5.110]) by indiego.ntw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00545 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:18:40 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vintage outfit From: sylvia To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003f01c24edd$1c588f20$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:08:27 -0600 Status: RO on 8/28/02 3:51 PM, Penny Ladnier at penny@costumegallery.com wrote: > Pants were worn during WW1 and during the 1920s but they were for casual > wear. There are so really cute patterns in the Delineator magazines. > Yes, but pants that look like culottes with a skirt over them? Sylvia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:03:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18214 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:03:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UG5NWV001258; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:05:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UG5Mj01892; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7T3LYT29170 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:21:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2062.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.62]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21759 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:21:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3D6D9129.B1A6BD2E@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about a Source References: <03345EFBE0450444B9E4E288E219D54011CCEE@mailexchange.dcls.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:12:41 -0400 Status: RO Hi. I found my copy. It is the clever little book where the author (or someone else) dressed up some folks in recreated Medieval clothing. I think that, for the level of research done (i.e. just looking at paintings and woodcuts), it is pretty good. I also liked the great quantity of historical illos in the book. Certainly not a scholarly work by any means, but nicely done for a person who was an art teacher in 1931 (I wouldn't quote it in any context other than purely Costume History, for example). Both Robin and Marc (Carlson) could give better details on the dress, although the look of it seems to me more 12th Cent.-ish. (the maunch styled sleeves). Certainly useful for the theater, and a step up from some other stuff I've seen (I won't mention the organization), but not scholarly or really documentable at any real level. Hope this helps, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:05:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18222 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:04:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UG6dWV001497; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UG6dj02782; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7T9GWT23567 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 03:16:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28392.; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:17:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:15:37 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] School Uniforms Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7T9GWT23567 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:15:27 +0100 Status: RO Dianne wrote: >A woman I am on another list with is in a battle with the principal of her >daughter's school already. Her daughter was sent home from school and >told not to return until she restore her hair to its natural color. Seems she >had dyed it that totally unnatural, never-found-in-nature color of >RED. Well, it depends what shade of red! Don't want to offend anyone, but if it was that deep mahogany colour that's fashionable nowadays, I certainly ain't never seen that in nature! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:05:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18231 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:05:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UG6hWV001509; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:06:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UG6gj02816; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:06:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7T9bUT12360 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 03:37:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA29570.; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:38:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:36:39 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] History of school uniforms in UK? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7T9bUT12360 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:36:05 +0100 Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote: > Christ's Hospital, which is somewhere near the south coast, is famous for >its breeches and mustard-coloured hose. When you see cathedral choirs, >or the Children of the Chapel Royal, they have similar outfits. Slight correction: most cathedral choir schools wear normal school uniforms, but have some kind of period neckwear such as a pleated ruff with their cassocks for church. King's College, Cambridge choristers wear Eton suits with the deep shirt collar. Only the Children of the Chapel Royal sing in an 18th century-style suit instead of cassock and surplice. I suppose the typical British school uniform, like other uniforms, is a "fossilisation" of some kind of standard dress of a particular period (e.g. the British policeman's helmet is based on the Victorian soldier's helmet). In the 20s and 30s it would have been normal for girls to wear cotton dresses all the time in summer (as in the Arthur Ransome books) and for boys to wear grey flannel shorts, as someone mentioned. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:05:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18230 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:05:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UG5kWV001363; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:05:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UG5ij02150; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:05:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7T4MvT18290 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:22:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Mayfair13a@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id 6.d8.1cce09cd (16633) for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:22:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Mayfair13a@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Subject: [h-cost] Advice from the experts please Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:22:47 EDT Status: RO Hi All, I have recently been hired to manage and market a small costume supply business. I am very excited to finally be working in a field I have so much personal interest and enthusiasm for. I am asking for some advise from all you shoppers out there. What things do you find most difficult to acquire and what things do you find yourself needing on a consistent basis. This includes fabrics and trims. I want to appeal to all kinds of folks out there. Historical costumers, Drag Queens, Rodeo Queens, any and everybody who has a need of such items. I am also interested in hooking up to costumers web rings. I would appreciate any input any of you have time to give. Thanks Very Much, Pasha Mayfair13a@aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:05:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18237 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:05:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UG6lWV001529; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:06:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UG6kj02867; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:06:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7TAFOT21033 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 04:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01570.; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:16:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:14:48 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enacting the "norm" (WAS: cross-dressing soldiers) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7TAFOT21033 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:14:21 +0100 Status: RO Kayta wrote: Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> Sometimes I hand-sew garments, but another couple of things I do are >mending, especially darning sox, and knitting sox. Both of these seem to >fascinate people for whom sox come from stores, intact, unlike sweaters, >which some people have seen being knitted. I can vouch for that. When I'm not playing music in camp I'm often knitting stockings, which sometimes attracts as much interest from the public as the musical instruments do. I'm developing a persona as a musician's widow because it seems the most logical for an unattached middle-aged female. not from any feminist desire to portray independence! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:05:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18241 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:05:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UG6QWV001446; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:06:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UG6Qj02601; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:06:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7T64pT17665 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:04:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AA613AE70200; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:08:33 -0500 Message-ID: <009f01c24f21$b6f4b240$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Through the Years Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:02:52 -0400 Status: RO Now that the balls are over, I have had the opportunity to go through some of my big Delineator magazines purchase. I go year by year and mark the articles I want to use. Tonight, I worked on the years, 1896-1898. I am so tickled! I found a very unusual article for Delineator.... hospital employee uniforms (Drs. and nurses) and patients' bed gowns. I am so thrilled to find so many bathing suit articles, sometimes in more than one issue per year. I have been searching for those articles for years. I would like to show a nice evolution of swimsuits. I also found one magazine that was almost devoted to women's sportswear. There is a full page with several images of golf wear. Several pages were devoted to bicycle costumes. How cool! I noticed something interesting in the 1896 issues... the full skirts from the late 1940s/early 1950s were very similar to the ones in 1896. I made another fun discovery in a 1896 issue. It showed the inside of a skirt showing horizontal tapes going across the back of the skirt. When you didn't want a full skirt, you hooked the tapes into place. When you wore a lot of petticoats, you let the tapes out, and add the petticoats and pads. During 1896, the majority of the skirts fullness was in the back. This find was so strange when I first saw it tonight. I am used to the bustle era that would use vertical tapes to raise and lower the train/tail or polonaise of the skirt. I have come across so many great articles. Some of my favorites were step-by-step directions on hairstyles. There is an article in one of the early 1900s magazines on the evolution of the ruff. Ruffs became fashionable during this time. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:05:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18245 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:05:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UG6oWV001541; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:06:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UG6nj02928; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7TALMT22386 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 04:21:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLV9NCNV4W00CBN5@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:21:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLV9NC9F8U00BY7J@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:21:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:19:31 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:19:17 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.42) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:19:16 +0000 From: Teddy In-reply-to: <20020828153720.2424.41866.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5E2FF8D2842@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cynthia Virtue's twins! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:19:16 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO For those of you who don't know already, Cynthia Virtue has twins who are keeping her from resubscribing to the list at the moment but, she assures me, she will re-join h-costume eventually. For some proof that she is still costuming take a look at her adorable twins in their tunics and hoods..... http://www.thibault.org/babies/April.html Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:05:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18249 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:05:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UG6rWV001564; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:06:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UG6rj02969; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:06:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7TAkPT29877 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 04:46:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLVAJC2CQO00CC1C@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:46:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLVAJ9KDU600BW4H@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:46:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:44:28 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:43:46 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.42) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:43:37 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working "costume": was Brocades and silks and In-reply-to: <20020828180023.2616.60452.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5E3680D0178@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:43:37 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I've found it interesting that the various colleges I've worked for > over the years as a professional tutor have requested that we (the > tutors) not wear "professional" clothes. It does set us apart from the > teachers somewhat, but the main thing is that we are far less > intimidating to the students if we dress casually and they're more > likely to be relaxed with us as a result. > > Arlys Not everyone will agree, of course, but I'd say they have the right of it. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:05:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18255 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:05:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UG7VWV001677; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:07:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UG7Uj03440; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:07:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cs666879-113.catrio.org (cs666879-113.austin.rr.com [66.68.79.113]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7TDZCT19110 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 07:35:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from ddoug@localhost) by cs666879-113.catrio.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g7TDZBJ26410; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:35:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15726.8974.342382.228014@cs666879-113.austin.rr.com> From: Debra Douglass To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: VM 7.05 under Emacs 20.7.1 Subject: [h-cost] OT Yesterday's digest(s)? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:35:10 -0500 Status: RO I had a little bit of an email problem yesterday and lost most of the posts from this group from about 11am to 10pm Central. I have found that the archives aren't very useful for retrieving recent posts. So I was wondering if anyone out there might still have the digest(s) from yesterday, Aug. 28th, and if they would be willing to send them to me at ddoug@catrio.org Many thanks to any who can help and apologies to any who can't. -Debra -- .------------------------------------------------------------------. |Debra Douglass ddoug@catrio.org http://www.catrio.org| `------------------------------------------------------------------' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:06:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18259 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:06:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UG85WV001779; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UG84j03862; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7TFhqT19975 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:43:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KLVKX4LNF400CA1P@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:43:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KLVKX35J9W00A1JV@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:43:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:41:56 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:41:37 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.42) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:41:36 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] Disappointment! In-reply-to: <20020828180023.2616.60452.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5E85EF95645@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:41:36 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Remember the lovely diamond patterned white linen I described a few weeks back - I bought enough to make a full length-full cirlce houpellande, a couple of pairs of hose and then an extra five metres on top of that to add to my stash. I saw the trader who sold it to me again at the weekend and he was asking how it came out and what it looked like when dyed. I explained that I hadn't finished making the houpellande yet but promised I would throw an off-cut in with something else I was planning to dye this week and let him have it as a sample. I did that last night and when I took it out of the washing machine this morning discovered that it is at least 50 percent synthetic fibres.... The result looks pretty as the different elements of the pattern now show up in contrast to each other (dyed and undued parts) but I bought this fabric as a cool-to-wear but *fancy* looking alternative to plain-woven linen and having splashed out on so much of it to find it's a synthetic mix is very disappointing. I've sent a sample of the dyed off-cut to the trader who sold it to me. He was obviously sold a dud and he'll no doubt want to offer me some form of recompense for having (unknowingly) sold it on to me (he's had it happen before with fabric sold to him as linen) but even so.... Teddy (and it would have made such *nice* fitted hose too!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:07:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18266 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:07:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UG9HWV002014; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:09:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UG9Gj04829; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7TJNwj27079 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:23:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g7TJNuY5010385 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:23:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Textiles for Early Victorian Clothing -- swatch book Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I just ordered my copy, so now I can tell you all about this: Textiles for Early Victorian Clothing, 1850-1880 http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com/products.htm This is the third in a series of books which have swatches of fabric along with descriptions of how the fabrics are used. I've got the first two books in the series (the first is about colonial clothing, the second one is for Regency costume), and I can't wait to get my hands on this one. It's a great help when shopping for fabric and trying to figure out what is appropriate. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:07:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18275 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:07:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UG9YWV002090; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:09:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UG9Yj05089; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:09:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f130.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.130]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7TLFkj00457 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:15:41 -0700 Received: from 205.163.11.113 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:15:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.163.11.113] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2002 21:15:41.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A95A5D0:01C24FA1] Subject: [h-cost] OT- Thanks Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:15:40 +0000 Status: RO Hi All - I know this is completely off topic, but I really wanted to break out of Lurkdom and tell everyone how much I value your postings to this list. I have only been on this list a short time, but have really learned so much. There are some really wonderful and knowledgable people here. It is so great that you are willing to share this with the rest of us. Thanks to Everyone! :)jessica _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:10:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18297 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:10:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UGCAWV002429; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:12:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UGC7Q06486; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:12:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f160.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7TMFmj04015 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:15:43 -0700 Received: from 12.232.52.91 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:15:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.232.52.91] From: "Kala Jathos" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share this Ebay dress.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2002 22:15:43.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DBDBC80:01C24FA9] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:15:42 -0700 Status: RO Oy... I would guess that the seller knows just short of nothing about historic costume, and just sprinkled a bunch of "search" words in to give the ad more exposure. And looking at her feedback... I don't think I'd ever want to buy anything from her. o_O -Laura _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:11:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18303 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:11:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UGCdWV002527; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UGCcQ06942; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:12:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7U0lDj06944 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:47:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp172.directcon.net [206.170.184.172]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g7U0kLxn028505; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:46:22 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020829175125.01200100@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson In-Reply-To: References: <20020828.114931.-136285.0.catpurson@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: [h-cost] H-Cost: Bodice Daggers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:51:25 -0700 Status: RO I'm trying to track dwon the origin of the mythical "bodice daggers" that used to be so ubiquitous at Ren Faires, etc. When I first encountered them, I was told that they were a Hollywood invention. My question is, has anyone ever seen a dagger worn down the front of a low-cut bodice in a movie? I know it's wrong, I'm jsut trying to figure out where it came from. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:11:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18309 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:11:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UGCvWV002637; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:12:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UGCuQ07258; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:12:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7U3Vdj28988 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2219.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.219]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19258 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:31:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3D6EE501.64FFFE05@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sept-Oct PieceWork Magazine References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:22:42 -0400 Status: RO Hi, Chris. Nice job on the article. It was in with a number of other good things, such as the Gunnister stuff and an article on the Globe costume shop, so you got placed right in there where you belong. I was interested to learn that the white on the Arabic knitted items was often cotton, rather than a white wool. Since they were dyeing the yarn anyway, I wonder why they didn't use white wool (perhaps the dyed stock didn't start off really white?)? Congratulations to yet another published author posting to this list. I feel as if I am amongst scholars (a feeling I miss occasionally, being out of school for so long). Cheers, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:11:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18310 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:11:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UGClWV002599; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:12:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UGClQ07115; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:12:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7U2Sjj10269 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:28:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17kbWe-0005Vo-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:28:45 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Organization: PII Message-ID: <000101c24fcb$7e267480$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Help! "Sequin Cloth" shreading my thread!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:18:11 -0700 Status: RO I am sewing on some of that sequin cloth that you see all over these days in the US. It is usually on a stretchy metallic background with tiny 1/8" metallic dots all over it-comes in every imaginable color. Well, it is eating my thread on my machine. It sews a little bit and then the thread shreds and bunches up in front of the needle eye. I have tried different thread, two new needles, all three of my sewing machines and a little oil on the needle. (It also seems to leave a residue on the needle) Any suggestions? They are selling way too much of this stuff to not have a way to sew it. Oh and in case you are wondering what I am making out of this God awful stuff-a Dragon costume for my nephew-Dragons are historic right? :) Thanks for any help you can offer!! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:11:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18316 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:11:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UGDAWV002683; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:13:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UGD9Q07419; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:13:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7U4nnj21076 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:49:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AA4D239F01CE; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:53:33 -0500 Message-ID: <00b101c24fe0$932a80a0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Large Dressforms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:49:07 -0400 Status: RO I know a person who is looking for a supplier of large dressforms. She is looking for a 60" bust and 68" hips. If you know of a place that sells this size please email me privately at costumegallery@comcast.net . My other email accounts mail is getting lost. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:11:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18320 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:11:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UGDIWV002706; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UGDHQ07525; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:13:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7U4t8j22482 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:55:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AB8D387D0284; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:58:53 -0500 Message-ID: <00ce01c24fe1$505cf360$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20020829001347.22201.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Play on Words X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:54:24 -0400 Status: RO Thank you Bella, I went with Menswear Etiquette. Thank you so much! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:11:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18324 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:11:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UGDMWV002722; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:13:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UGDLQ07576; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:13:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7U4uwj22988 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id ABFB3D1A0204; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:00:43 -0500 Message-ID: <00d801c24fe1$91bcca60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Play on Words X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:56:14 -0400 Status: RO Jennifer... I was reading my mail backwards again! (bad habit) Thank you for your response too! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Sena" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Play on Words > What about 1910 Gentleman's Style guides? > > > >From: Gia_Gavino@attbi.com > >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > >To: h-costume@indra.com > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Play on Words > >Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:49:32 +0000 > > > >Hi! Here are some suggestions: > > > >1910 Fine Gentlemen Wear > > > >The 1910 Gentleman's Gentleman > > > >1910 Gentleman's Wear Instructions > > > >1910 Gentleman's Attire for all Occasions > > > >Just my penny's worth (*wink*).. > >Gia/Giacinta > > > Come on... put your thinking caps on... > > > > > > I need your help in a way to title a webpage for guidelines to menswear > >for > > > 1910. > > > > Jennifer Sena > Distant Designs > http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi > > I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:11:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18328 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:11:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UGDUWV002746; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UGDUQ07652; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7U72lj23782 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 01:02:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-0ccsjoa.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.79.10] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17kfnq-0004Iq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:02:46 -0700 Message-ID: <3D6F182B.ADF43372@earthlink.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shoes, Ren/Eliz References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: perronnelle@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 02:00:59 -0500 Status: RO Rebecca Anderson wrote: > I, amazingly, found myself some quite serviceable shoes localy (Adelaide, > South Australia), for this time period. I paid AU$9 for them. > They look like this: > http://www.pillagedvillage.com/pvonline/CC_700L.html I finally got through to this site. This style shoe can also sometimes be found at Pier One Imports. --Charlene -- The discontent of the people is more dangerous to a monarch than all the might of his enemies on the battlefield. -- Isabella d'Este _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 12:15:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18336 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:15:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UGH6WV003272; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UGH6Q10403; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7L1P8M18276 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-46-162.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.46.162]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7L1P7d313218 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:25:07 -0400 Message-ID: <005f01c248b1$a76f84b0$a22eaf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Angela F. Lazear" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Fabrics R Us -- in San Jose Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:25:36 -0700 Status: RO I have to let you in on a secret I found the other day. I was befriended by the craft master at San Jose's American Musical Theater and he took me to Fabrics R Us. It is in a small asian shopping center off of Hedding in San Jose. It carries tons of theatrical fabrics, all the glittery, textured, beaded, silken stuff one could possibly want and everything is 50% the prices I've seen at Hancocks, and other outlets. Even better than Discount in Berkeley on some of the glitzier stuff. Even better than the prices is the amazing selection. They have tons of beaded trim for $5-8 per yard, their rhinestones are $10/gross and they have a huge selection of tassels and upholstery trims at really good prices. It's packed all the time, and you have to get someone to help you, but it's worth the trip and the time. I bought some amazing Renn fabric, which is reversible brocade in black & taupe satin with some red silky stuff that is shot with gold for the blouse. For my show I picked up some heavily gilded neck trim at $4 apiece, with some gold/white lycra fabric that I had passed on at Hancock for $27/yard at $11 here. I mean it, if you're in the Bay Area or thereabouts, check it out. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "I have no other but a woman's reason: I think him so, because I think him so." Two Gentlemen of Verona, Act I, Sc. I - W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 13:50:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18824 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:50:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UHq2WV010711; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UHq1j02595; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UHpBj02276 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2067.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.67]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07158 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:51:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3D6FAE75.4763BEC2@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! "Sequin Cloth" shreading my thread!! References: <000101c24fcb$7e267480$6501a8c0@Home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:42:13 -0400 Status: RO Hi. You are probably getting hung up on the sequins and they are cutting the thread. IIRC, the sequins are chain-stitched on. I know this sounds like a lot of work, but you could remove the sequins from the area that you are stitching. Another way would be to use a stronger thread, perhaps one of the monofilament types out there. Good Luck! Mike T. > I am sewing on some of that sequin cloth that you see all over these > days in the US. It is usually on a stretchy metallic background with > tiny 1/8" metallic dots all over it-comes in every imaginable color. > > Well, it is eating my thread on my machine. It sews a little bit and > then the thread shreds and bunches up in front of the needle eye. > I have tried different thread, two new needles, all three of my sewing > machines and a little oil on the needle. (It also seems to leave a > residue on the needle) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 13:52:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18829 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:52:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UHs1WV010848; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UHs0j03630; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UHrLj03272 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:53:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id 6.fd.1d100e08 (3699) for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:53:05 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! "Sequin Cloth" shreading my thread!! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fd.1d100e08.2aa10b00_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10622 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:53:04 EDT Status: RO --part1_fd.1d100e08.2aa10b00_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is something sold especially for dealing with this kind of fabric. If memory serves, it is called "Sewers Aid" and comes in a bottle on a card. Hancock used to carry it, as that is where I bought it when I was sewing the stuff. Hancock also used to have an info sheet on how to sew with this fabric with other tips on it, too. You might see if your local store still has them. Are you also using a good-quality, long-staple polyester thread? Ann Wass --part1_fd.1d100e08.2aa10b00_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is something sold especially for dealing with this kind of fabric.  If memory serves, it is called "Sewers Aid" and comes in a bottle on a card.  Hancock used to carry it, as that is where I bought it when I was sewing the stuff.  Hancock also used to have an info sheet on how to sew with this fabric with other tips on it, too. You might see if your local store still has them.  Are you also using a good-quality, long-staple polyester thread? 
Ann Wass
--part1_fd.1d100e08.2aa10b00_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 13:52:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18834 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:52:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UHs4WV010866; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UHs4j03675; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UHrpj03553 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:53:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id 6.2d.2271d959 (3699) for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:53:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2d.2271d959.2aa10b1f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! "Sequin Cloth" shreading my thread!! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2d.2271d959.2aa10b1f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10622 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:53:35 EDT Status: RO --part1_2d.2271d959.2aa10b1f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit P.S. The Sewer's Aid is applied to your needle. Ann Wass --part1_2d.2271d959.2aa10b1f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit P.S.  The Sewer's Aid is applied to your needle.
Ann Wass
--part1_2d.2271d959.2aa10b1f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 13:54:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18845 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:54:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UHu2WV010962; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UHu1j04571; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UHtLj04305 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:55:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id 6.60.25377a47 (3699) for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:55:11 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <60.25377a47.2aa10b7f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sept-Oct PieceWork Magazine To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_60.25377a47.2aa10b7f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10622 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:55:11 EDT Status: RO --part1_60.25377a47.2aa10b7f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/2002 12:13:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mikes@dandy.net writes: > Since they were dyeing the yarn anyway, I wonder > why they didn't use white wool (perhaps the dyed stock didn't start off > really white?)? That could very well be. White wool is naturally a creamy white and is difficult to bleach to a true white. Ann Wass --part1_60.25377a47.2aa10b7f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/2002 12:13:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mikes@dandy.net writes:


Since they were dyeing the yarn anyway, I wonder
why they didn't use white wool (perhaps the dyed stock didn't start off
really white?)?


That could very well be.  White wool is naturally a creamy white and is difficult to bleach to a true white.
Ann Wass
--part1_60.25377a47.2aa10b7f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 14:02:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18894 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:02:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UI4CWV011684; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:04:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UI4Bj09591; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UI1aj07989 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:01:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id 6.92.2b274f6b (657) for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:01:26 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <92.2b274f6b.2aa10cf6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! "Sequin Cloth" shreading my thread!! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_92.2b274f6b.2aa10cf6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10622 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:01:26 EDT Status: RO --part1_92.2b274f6b.2aa10cf6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/2002 1:52:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mikes@dandy.net writes: > IIRC, the sequins are chain-stitched on. I know this sounds > like a lot of work, but you could remove the sequins from the area that you > are stitching. It sounds to me like she is using the fabric where the "sequins" are glued on, since she said there is residue on the needle. But yes, if they are stitched, you should remove them. Ann Wass --part1_92.2b274f6b.2aa10cf6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/2002 1:52:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mikes@dandy.net writes:


IIRC, the sequins are chain-stitched on. I know this sounds
like a lot of work, but you could remove the sequins from the area that you
are stitching.

It sounds to me like she is using the fabric where the "sequins" are glued on, since she said there is residue on the needle.  But yes, if they are stitched, you should remove them.
Ann Wass
--part1_92.2b274f6b.2aa10cf6_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 14:05:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18915 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:05:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UI7RWV012027; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:07:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UI7Qj11662; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:07:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f172.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.172]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UI6Nj11033 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:06:17 -0700 Received: from 65.116.171.30 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:06:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.116.171.30] From: "R Harper" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2002 18:06:17.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[F00B8340:01C2504F] Subject: [h-cost] Confetti Dot Fabric Woes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:06:17 -0400 Status: RO Saragrace, that awful stuff is called confetti dot fabric, which consists of faux paillettes glued onto a metallic-oid knit backing fabric. I once made four long dresses for a women's barbershop quartet out of that stuff. Oy. It is indeed a pain. I have a few suggestions that might help: Make sure you're using a straight stitch foot and needle plate. It's too squiggly to do well with a zig-zag foot and plate. Back the seams with paper or thin stablizer, if necessary. If that doesn't help enough, iron on a strip of freezer paper to the seams, and tear away after sewing. That stuff dulls needles like crazy. I changed needles every few hours of sewing -- no kidding. Use *sharp* needles, they work better than universal. Occasionally (when it seems to get sticky) wipe the needle with a piece of alcohol-soaked muslin. The adhesive builds up on the needle very quickly. Also, if you have it, a silicone-based needle and thread lubricant can be very helpful. Finally, of course, do as I did: refuse to ever work with it again! Richard _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 14:12:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18954 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:12:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UIE2WV012517; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UIE1j15678; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay3.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UIDgj15519 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from M2W053.mail2web.com ([168.144.108.53]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:13:41 -0400 Message-ID: <48270-220028530181341593@M2W053.mail2web.com> X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 0, 3 X-EM-Registration: #00E0641810D91B008120 X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 198.31.196.189 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "sweetsheep@earthlink.net" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! Sequin Cloth shreading my thread!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2002 18:13:41.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[F87DE080:01C25050] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7UIDgj15519 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: sweetsheep@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:13:41 -0400 Status: RO I used to be the assistant manager of a Hancock Fabrics many years ago, when this kind of fabric was still fairly new to the local fabric stores. The manufacturers instructions at that time told you to take the sequins off of the seam and seam allowance before sewing. The same principal was used for both the glued on sequins and the sewn on sequins. You don't want sequins or partial sequins in the seam allowance anyway as they will poke the wearer, even through a lining. With the sewn on sequins, you take them off the seam allowance, secure the ends of the threads to keep the next sequin off the line from coming off too, and then sew the sequins you removed back on OVER the finished seam area so that the seam become invisible. This doesn't work with the glued on ones, but it's worth the time with the sewn on ones. Dulcia -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 14:18:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19002 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:18:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UIKBWV013013; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:20:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UIKAj19091; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns.misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UIJdj18778 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:19:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13442 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:26:18 -0700 Message-ID: <3D6FB808.E98DFF04@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! "Sequin Cloth" shreading my thread!! References: <000101c24fcb$7e267480$6501a8c0@Home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:23:04 -0700 Status: RO To Saragrace- When I bought that stuff (only once, and that was about 100x too many times!!), the consultant at the fabric store said she used tissue paper on the top and bottom (sandwiching the stretchy stuff in between) to control the creep and sort of help the goop on the needle. Whole lot of grief and then I started thinking about the goop on the needle transferring itself to the bobbin case and the rest of the moving parts. I know there's lots of the stuff out there in wonderful colors but I sure wouldn't recommend fussing with it to my friends!! Good luck, Theresa Eacker Saragrace knauf wrote: > > I am sewing on some of that sequin cloth that you see all over these > days in the US. It is usually on a stretchy metallic background with > tiny 1/8" metallic dots all over it-comes in every imaginable color. > > Well, it is eating my thread on my machine. It sews a little bit and > then the thread shreds and bunches up in front of the needle eye. > I have tried different thread, two new needles, all three of my sewing > machines and a little oil on the needle. (It also seems to leave a > residue on the needle) > > Any suggestions? They are selling way too much of this stuff to not > have a way to sew it. > > Oh and in case you are wondering what I am making out of this God awful > stuff-a Dragon costume for my nephew-Dragons are historic right? :) > > Thanks for any help you can offer!! > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 14:32:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19067 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:32:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UIY3WV013990; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:34:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UIY2j26371; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UIXNj25997 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17kqa8-0000Au-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:33:23 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Confetti Dot Fabric Woes Organization: PII Message-ID: <001c01c25052$2f3f1980$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:22:21 -0700 Status: RO Okay, got the sewer's aid, the sharp needles and paper-I'll let you know how it works out. But I think I am with Richard-no more of this stuff for me!! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 15:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19904 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:17:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UJH2WV016980; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UJH1j18957; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from randall.mail.atl.earthlink.net (randall.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.237]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UJGqj18886 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:16:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smui08.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.50]) by randall.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17krGF-0004In-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:16:51 -0400 Received: by smui08.slb.mindspring.net id PAA0000025851; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:16:50 -0400 (EDT) From: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sept-Oct PieceWork Magazine Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 64.167.230.74 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: claning@igc.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:16:50 -0400 Status: RO On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:55:11 EDT AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/30/2002 12:13:44 PM > Eastern Daylight Time, mikes@dandy.net writes: > > > Since they were dyeing the yarn anyway, I > wonder > why they didn't use white wool (perhaps the > dyed stock didn't start off > really white?)? > > That could very well be.  White wool is > naturally a creamy white and is difficult to > bleach to a true white. > Ann Wass I'm speculating, but another possible reason is that people may already have been accustomed to knitting with white cotton thread. There is another, parallel knitting tradition in these same finds that I didn't mention in the article (perhaps I'll have a chance one day!)-- namely, knitting caps and stockings in white and indigo-blue cotton. I call it a "parallel" tradition because, while it seems to have been practiced in the same time and place as the wool knitting, the repertoire of design motifs, and to a lesser extent the types of items made, seem to be separate. I think I've seen maybe one instance of the same motif being used both in cotton and in wool. (We definitely have identifiable stockings and caps in cotton; in wool, I've only seen a couple of very small tubular items that _could_ be baby socks, but who knows? Otherwise I think all the medieval Islamic wool knitting I've seen so far is scraps.) Of course we don't really _know_ which material came first (if either) because virtually all our knowledge of medieval Islamic knitting comes from scraps of knitting, ranging from postage stamp size to about postcard size, mostly bought from antiquities dealers, and hence with no information at all about where or in what context they were found. Chris ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 16:05:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20150 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:05:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UK71WV021032; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UK70j14997; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UK6Lj14609 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([213.107.35.201]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020830200619.NBSQ290.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:06:19 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sept-Oct PieceWork Magazine Message-ID: <3D6FDE50.25757.40133C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <60.25377a47.2aa10b7f@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:06:24 +0100 Status: RO > In a message dated 8/30/2002 12:13:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mikes@dandy.net writes: > Since they were dyeing the yarn anyway, I wonder > why they didn't use white wool (perhaps the dyed stock didn't > start off really white?)? On 30 Aug 2002 at 13:55, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > That could very well be. White wool is naturally a creamy white and is > difficult to bleach to a true white. Or possibly (speaking from total ignorance here) the sheep over there weren't like our nice white ones, but had brown wool? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 16:37:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20265 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:37:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UKc2WV023228; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UKc1j00342; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UKbLj29925 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:37:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-46-193.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.46.193]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7UKbKr491610 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:37:20 -0400 Message-ID: <006d01c25065$24f944b0$c12eaf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <000101c24fcb$7e267480$6501a8c0@Home> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help! "Sequin Cloth" shreading my thread!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:38:05 -0700 Status: RO I have been fairly successful with heavy use of silicone "oil" rather than actual oil. Use it on the thread, the needle and anything else that comes in contact with that awful stuff. I have to clean the needle with rubbing alcohol every seam or so, to remove the glue residue from the sequinette. You could also use a tissue thin layer of tear away stabilizer placed on the top of the fabric to clean the needle as you go, that you could then remove. I use it a lot as it is very effective on stage, but it is a nightmare to sew. I use a sharp needle as I recall, rather than a ballpoint, to best effect. good luck angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here, while these visions did appear." A Midsummer Night's Dream; V, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 7:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Help! "Sequin Cloth" shreading my thread!! > I am sewing on some of that sequin cloth that you see all over these > days in the US. It is usually on a stretchy metallic background with > tiny 1/8" metallic dots all over it-comes in every imaginable color. > > Well, it is eating my thread on my machine. It sews a little bit and > then the thread shreds and bunches up in front of the needle eye. > I have tried different thread, two new needles, all three of my sewing > machines and a little oil on the needle. (It also seems to leave a > residue on the needle) > > Any suggestions? They are selling way too much of this stuff to not > have a way to sew it. > > Oh and in case you are wondering what I am making out of this God awful > stuff-a Dragon costume for my nephew-Dragons are historic right? :) > > Thanks for any help you can offer!! > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 16:50:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20450 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:50:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UKq1WV024092; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UKq0j07295; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UKptj07233 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:51:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.60]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1O00D3ECMI7W@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enacting the "norm" (WAS: cross-dressing soldiers) In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020830132055.00c75170@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:25:20 -0700 Status: RO > >>> Sometimes I hand-sew garments, but another couple of things I do are > >mending, especially darning sox, and knitting sox. Both of these seem to > >fascinate people for whom sox come from stores, intact, unlike sweaters, > >which some people have seen being knitted. > >I can vouch for that. When I'm not playing music in camp I'm often >knitting stockings, which sometimes attracts as much interest from the >public as the musical instruments do. >I'm developing a persona as a musician's widow because it seems the most >logical for an unattached middle-aged female. not from any feminist desire >to portray independence! I too am a (relatively) unattached middle-aged female. At least I am in the centuries/sites my Sweetie doesn't do. Sometimes I have, in my first-person way of things, acted married, but said my husband wasn't here right now, he was off doing (whatever). Insert appropriate historical sound-bite here of what he is off doing. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 16:50:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20457 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:50:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UKq9WV024111; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:52:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UKq9j07383; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:52:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UKpuj07247 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:51:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.60]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1O00D3ECMI7W@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disappointment! In-reply-to: <5E85EF95645@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020830132617.00cc65a0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020828180023.2616.60452.Mailman@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:29:44 -0700 Status: RO >I did that last night and when I took it out of the washing machine >this morning discovered that it is at least 50 percent synthetic >fibres.... The result looks pretty as the different elements of the >pattern now show up in contrast to each other (dyed and undued >parts) but I bought this fabric as a cool-to-wear but *fancy* looking >alternative to plain-woven linen and having splashed out on so >much of it to find it's a synthetic mix is very disappointing. My ex was great for sending my white things thru the wash with coloured garments that bled. Once I got a formerly-white petticoat back all pink, with pink eyelet that had white stitches, because the embroidery was not cotton and didn't take the dye from the red thing that bled. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 16:50:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20467 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:50:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UKqGWV024143; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:52:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UKqDj07453; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:52:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UKpvj07255 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:51:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.60]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1O00D3ECMI7W@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:51:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabrics R Us -- in San Jose In-reply-to: <005f01c248b1$a76f84b0$a22eaf40@angelap3a8d978> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020830133235.00cd4cf0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:49:56 -0700 Status: RO Fabrics R Us is at the intersection of Berryessa and where King becomes Lundy. When you shop there, eat lunch at King EggRoll across the Berryessa (another crowded place worth the wait). And when you're in Fabrics R Us, ask the Vietnamese owner if his mother's fabric store is still open. It's near the downtown CostCo, but I forget the streets. He'll know. BTW, there's a good saree store catycorners across the intersection and down a little. And there's always the Berryessa Flea Market, just beyond that. I discovered this place when it was still on The Alameda, and had a wooden floor loom in the window. Nowadays the one at Berryessa and King/Lundy has, in addition to the goodies listed below, hand painted/embellished Vietnamese-dress lengths, shiny Chinese brocade (not silk), cheap thin cotton suitable for Regency or Victorian daytime, wool and poly/wool suiting, medium weight real linen (white), lace fabric, and lace trim. The place is crowded, and not just with people - there are rolls of fabric everywhere. One gets a feel for what they usually have, but they don't always have any one thing on a given day. And if you ask nice, they will let you use the bathroom. >I have to let you in on a secret I found the other day. I was befriended by >the craft master at San Jose's American Musical Theater and he took me to >Fabrics R Us. It is in a small asian shopping center off of Hedding in San >Jose. > >It carries tons of theatrical fabrics, all the glittery, textured, beaded, >silken stuff one could possibly want and everything is 50% the prices I've >seen at Hancocks, and other outlets. Even better than Discount in Berkeley >on some of the glitzier stuff. Even better than the prices is the amazing >selection. They have tons of beaded trim for $5-8 per yard, their >rhinestones are $10/gross and they have a huge selection of tassels and >upholstery trims at really good prices. It's packed all the time, and you >have to get someone to help you, but it's worth the trip and the time. > >I bought some amazing Renn fabric, which is reversible brocade in black & >taupe satin with some red silky stuff that is shot with gold for the blouse. >For my show I picked up some heavily gilded neck trim at $4 apiece, with >some gold/white lycra fabric that I had passed on at Hancock for $27/yard at >$11 here. I mean it, if you're in the Bay Area or thereabouts, check it >out. > >angela >+++++ >Angela F. Lazear >Cabbage Rose Costumes >http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com >Theatrical Costume Design > >"I have no other but a woman's reason: >I think him so, because I think him so." >Two Gentlemen of Verona, Act I, Sc. I - W. Shakespeare > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 19:32:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20972 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:32:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7UNY3WV003498; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:34:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UNY1j19773; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7UNXAj19506 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-46-193.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.46.193]) by pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7UNX9V408054 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:33:09 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c2507d$b5031f50$c12eaf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Advice from the experts please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:33:54 -0700 Status: RO Firstly, Where are you located? What manner of costumes are you selling, ready made or hand designed/ theatrical or halloween? One of the most basic sources to start with would be the Whole Costumer's Catalogue, which is a resource for suppliers of all manner of costume supplies, from entire costumes to trims & wigs. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "O, what a world of vile ill-favored faults looks handsome in three hundred pounds a year!..." The Merry Wives of Windsor, III, iv - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:22 PM Subject: [h-cost] Advice from the experts please > Hi All, > > I have recently been hired to manage and market a small costume supply > business. I am very excited to finally be working in a field I have so much > personal interest and enthusiasm for. I am asking for some advise from all > you shoppers out there. What things do you find most difficult to acquire > and what things do you find yourself needing on a consistent basis. This > includes fabrics and trims. I want to appeal to all kinds of folks out > there. Historical costumers, Drag Queens, Rodeo Queens, any and everybody > who has a need of such items. I am also interested in hooking up to > costumers web rings. I would appreciate any input any of you have time to > give. > > Thanks Very Much, > > Pasha > Mayfair13a@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 30 23:57:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21495 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:57:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7V3x5WV013852; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7V3x1j03988; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7V3wuj03971 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.42]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020831035851.IGVE23721.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:58:51 +0000 Received: from [24.161.240.122] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:58:51 +0000 From: sewinggoddess@att.net To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Confetti Dot Fabric Woes X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 28 2002) Message-Id: <20020831035851.IGVE23721.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:58:51 +0000 Status: RO One last tip on this stuff--- Not only is the Sewer's aid essential for keeping the threads from breaking, another thing that helps a LOT is pre washing this stuff. It gets rid of most of the "tacky" feeling left behind on the fabric from when they "glued" the "dots" on in the first place. it takes quite a few washings before you start noticing missing "dots"..... Crissy > > > Okay, got the sewer's aid, the sharp needles and paper-I'll let you know > how it works out. But I think I am with Richard-no more of this stuff > for me!! > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 31 10:32:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16793 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:32:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7VEY4WV000880; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VEY1j05050; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VEXgj04965 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:33:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust183.tnt4.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.239.214.183] helo=hppav) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17l9Jk-0003Z1-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:33:41 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01c250fc$087d3840$b7d6ef41@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] website found in paper Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:38:10 -0500 Status: RO Our Saturday Lifestyle section of the paper had this website, www.Enokiworld.com They are a local couple who collected so much visiting estate sales they've started a small business selling off the excess. Mostly high-end vintage fashions, pricey, but the styles are interesting. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 31 11:16:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16868 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:16:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7VFI2WV002644; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VFI1j14134; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VFHAj13954 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:17:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.34.60]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1P00CG8RSLVH@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:17:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] website found in paper In-reply-to: <004e01c250fc$087d3840$b7d6ef41@hppav> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020831081515.00c764c0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:16:53 -0700 Status: RO >Our Saturday Lifestyle section of the paper had this website, >www.Enokiworld.com >They are a local couple who collected so much visiting estate sales they've >started a small business selling off the excess. Mostly high-end vintage >fashions, pricey, but the styles are interesting. Thanx for posting it. I went there and looked around. Interesting stuff. Not very historical, but then, I'm old. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 31 11:30:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16923 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:30:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7VFW1WV003075; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VFW0j16952; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VFVqj16929 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:31:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17lAE4-0006Ns-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:31:52 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Organization: PII Message-ID: <000201c25102$12a23540$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <20020831035851.IGVE23721.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Confetti Dot Fabric-solutions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:21:24 -0700 Status: RO Well I must tell you that the "Sewer's Aid" solved all my problems. I might even have to retract what I a said earlier about not using it again (though I am not sure what I would ever use it for unless it were another kids costume). I will remember all the other suggestions though too. Paper sandwich, washing etc. Thanks again you all! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 31 14:33:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17602 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:33:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7VIZ3WV009613; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VIZ0j29878; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:35:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VIYtj29847 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:34:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=99main.com) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17lD5C-00074C-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:34:54 -0700 Message-ID: <3D710A08.1050702@99main.com> From: Marilyn Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Fabric help, oop Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:25:12 -0400 Status: RO Help! I am tired of hanging my work clothes to dry because they are natural fiber [shrinkage] and I hate polyester. Being fat makes clothing shopping problematical. Finding decent work-casual clothes that aren't polyester can be problematical. I hate Lane Bryant at the mall. The people there suck and the selection sucks. Online, I found Junonia, and they have some microfiber clothing that looks just like what I want. Does microfiber shrink? I have a bra that is microfiber, but it is a knit sport type, and does seem to shrink back into its original size after wear. I have no experience with woven microfiber and have no idea on how it reacts to being aggressively laundered. I would hate to spend several hundred dollars on new clothes to find them shrink a quarter size and render them useless! 3x is just perfect, but [ferex] if I wash and dryer my 3x jeans, they shrink just that tiny bit, but that tiny bit makes them unwearable for me. margali [What I want is to win the lottery so I can just have everything custom made, but that is not going to happen!] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 31 14:37:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17612 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:37:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7VId2WV009823; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VId1j01030; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VIc1j00790 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-46-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.46.213]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7VIc0F484748 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:38:00 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c2511d$a51e6810$d52eaf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <000201c25102$12a23540$6501a8c0@Home> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Confetti Dot Fabric-solutions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:38:47 -0700 Status: RO Yeah, it's definitely got's it's place, I have to use it in theater from time to time, although I like to mix it with other fabrics as now they have those marvelous glitter surfaced goodies. The silicone "sewer's aid" is really the only way to work with it if you don't remove all the sequins along the seamline and that's a pain in the a$$. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "O! Swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon, That monthly changes in her circled orb, Lest that thy love prove likewise variable." Romeo & Juliet, II, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:21 AM Subject: [h-cost] Confetti Dot Fabric-solutions > Well I must tell you that the "Sewer's Aid" solved all my problems. > > I might even have to retract what I a said earlier about not using it > again (though I am not sure what I would ever use it for unless it were > another kids costume). > > I will remember all the other suggestions though too. > > Paper sandwich, washing etc. > > Thanks again you all! > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 31 15:27:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17842 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:27:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7VJT2WV011499; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VJT1j12858; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VJSjj12764 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:28:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net ([10.116.0.123]) by scanmail3.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:25:22 -0700 Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123] by scanmail3.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A822B48F00A4; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:25:22 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:25:20 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fabric help, oop Message-ID: <001201c25124$5d3f57a0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D710A08.1050702@99main.com> Importance: Normal X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:26:46 -0500 Status: RO Marilyn-- Microfiber is POLYESTER. It may look prettier than other polyester, but it feels the same when you wear it. It doesn't shrink. It is hard to press, if you need to, so don't let it get wrinkled. I have bought many things from Junonia and been very happy with them, their fit is good and they ship quickly. Try some of their cotton or rayon instead. There's also Silhouettes (http://www.silhouettes.com) and Ulla Popken (www.ullapopken.com) Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Traber Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 1:25 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Fabric help, oop Help! I am tired of hanging my work clothes to dry because they are natural fiber [shrinkage] and I hate polyester. Being fat makes clothing shopping problematical. Finding decent work-casual clothes that aren't polyester can be problematical. I hate Lane Bryant at the mall. The people there suck and the selection sucks. Online, I found Junonia, and they have some microfiber clothing that looks just like what I want. Does microfiber shrink? I have a bra that is microfiber, but it is a knit sport type, and does seem to shrink back into its original size after wear. I have no experience with woven microfiber and have no idea on how it reacts to being aggressively laundered. I would hate to spend several hundred dollars on new clothes to find them shrink a quarter size and render them useless! 3x is just perfect, but [ferex] if I wash and dryer my 3x jeans, they shrink just that tiny bit, but that tiny bit makes them unwearable for me. margali [What I want is to win the lottery so I can just have everything custom made, but that is not going to happen!] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 31 16:01:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17933 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:01:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7VK31WV012552; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VK30j20967; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns.misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VK2Tj20825 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:02:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20692 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:09:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3D7121A3.6255B3E9@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric help, oop References: <3D710A08.1050702@99main.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:05:59 -0700 Status: RO To Margali- My one experience with woven microfiber was a wrap blouse that I had made. The bozos at NY Fabrics (tells you how long ago that was) said that, being a synthetic, the yardage wouldn't need prewashing. Well, upon the first trip through the laundry, the finished item _DID_ shrink, just about an entire size in all directions, so into the garbage it went. I was royally pissed. So, I don't know if you can ask the folks at Junonia if the items they sell have been pre-shrunk, or, maybe buy a small, inexpensive (is there one???) item and give it a test drive through the laundry cycle. Sorry I can't be of much more help, Good luck, Theresa Eacker Marilyn Traber wrote: (Pruning) Online, I found Junonia, and they have some > microfiber clothing that looks just like what I want. > > Does microfiber shrink? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 31 19:29:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18403 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:29:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7VNU2WV019383; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:30:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VNU0j11354; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:30:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7VNT8j11128 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A22C30470216; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:33:00 -0500 Message-ID: <004201c25146$2f8fa9a0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] My apology Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:29:00 -0400 Status: RO Yesterday we discovered that our email server was grabbing a lot of my incoming email with some new software. It has been doing this for the past month. Luckily my host had all my mail backed up. We discovered this after two whole days of mail were missing. Last night, my husband and I had to go through 4,000 emails from last month to find the ones that I have not read. 450 messages were sniped by the software. If you had written to me in the past month and I had not replied, I am very sorry. I need to go through and read the 450 messages, but I will reply. Some of the messages were from h-costume members. I did notice some of them were from my recent post "Play on Words." I am sorry, that I didn't get to thank you properly. I always try to thank everyone who helps. Please accept my apology. If you had signed up for a class and haven't heard from me, please email me personally. They are still trying to recover the missing email from my registration email address. All of my email addresses are working properly now. Thank goodness! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 31 20:03:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18478 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:03:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g81051WV020792; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g81050j19703; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g8104Sj19569 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:04:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id 6.a3.2dc6e75b (3699) for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:04:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Confetti Dot Fabric-solutions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a3.2dc6e75b.2aa2b381_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10622 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:04:17 EDT Status: RO --part1_a3.2dc6e75b.2aa2b381_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/31/2002 11:32:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, saragrace@earthlink.net writes: > Well I must tell you that the "Sewer's Aid" solved all my problems That is gratifying! It is a lubricant--I think silicone? But it is not one of my favorites to work with, either. I was once assigned by a costume designer to make a flared coat out of it, which meant that I had to bend the sequin dots at the hemline. What a pain! Ann Wass --part1_a3.2dc6e75b.2aa2b381_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/31/2002 11:32:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, saragrace@earthlink.net writes:


Well I must tell you that the "Sewer's Aid" solved all my problems


That is gratifying!  It is a lubricant--I think silicone?  But it is not one of my favorites to work with, either.  I was once assigned by a costume designer to make a flared coat out of it, which meant that I had to bend the sequin dots at the hemline.  What a pain!
Ann Wass
--part1_a3.2dc6e75b.2aa2b381_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 31 20:47:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18586 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:47:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g810n1WV022736; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g810n0j00158; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g810mkj00116 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:48:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=99main.com) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17lIuz-0002Ui-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:48:45 -0700 Message-ID: <3D716381.2060105@99main.com> From: Marilyn Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric help, oop References: <001201c25124$5d3f57a0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:46:57 -0400 Status: RO I buy from silhouettes fairly frequently [well, I guess 6 kaftans in assorted colors over the past 2 years, and some other goodies counts ;-)I swear by their terry v necked kaftan/bathrobe. I have 3 and wouldn't part with them for anything - they are the best thing for schlepping to and from the pennsic shower house! I find that the microfiber bra wears entirely differently than a rayon bra. Rayon gives me the worst heat rash and blackheads on the under surface of my breasts. Cotton and microfiber ones don't. The microfiber bra fabric seems to breath more like a natural fiber. Just checked out the ulla - seems like all of her career clothes are vicose rayon blended with small amounts of other stuff. I avoid rayon like the plague. I get heat rashes and skin problems from it. Rayon does not breath. [also, is she expecting a flood? All of the pants in the career section are above the ankle knobs...] margali I think I may assay 1 pair of the twill microfibers to see how they are.... Kim Baird wrote: > Marilyn-- > > Microfiber is POLYESTER. It may look prettier than other polyester, but > it feels the same when you wear it. > > It doesn't shrink. > > It is hard to press, if you need to, so don't let it get wrinkled. > > I have bought many things from Junonia and been very happy with them, > their fit is good and they ship quickly. Try some of their cotton or > rayon instead. > > There's also Silhouettes (http://www.silhouettes.com) and Ulla Popken > (www.ullapopken.com) > > Kim > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Marilyn Traber > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 1:25 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Fabric help, oop > > Help! > I am tired of hanging my work clothes to dry because they are > natural fiber [shrinkage] and I hate polyester. > > Being fat makes clothing shopping problematical. Finding decent > work-casual clothes that aren't polyester can be problematical. I > hate Lane Bryant at the mall. The people there suck and the > selection sucks. Online, I found Junonia, and they have some > microfiber clothing that looks just like what I want. > > Does microfiber shrink? I have a bra that is microfiber, but it > is a knit sport type, and does seem to shrink back into its > original size after wear. I have no experience with woven > microfiber and have no idea on how it reacts to being > aggressively laundered. > > I would hate to spend several hundred dollars on new clothes to > find them shrink a quarter size and render them useless! 3x is > just perfect, but [ferex] if I wash and dryer my 3x jeans, they > shrink just that tiny bit, but that tiny bit makes them > unwearable for me. > margali > [What I want is to win the lottery so I can just have everything > custom made, but that is not going to happen!] > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 31 20:50:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18609 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:50:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g810q2WV022907; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g810q1j00919; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g810pLj00777 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=99main.com) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17lIxU-0004ui-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:51:20 -0700 Message-ID: <3D71641B.1080709@99main.com> From: Marilyn Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric help, oop References: <3D710A08.1050702@99main.com> <3D7121A3.6255B3E9@misc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:49:31 -0400 Status: RO Thanks - I love the list for getting input ;-) I am going to get 1 pair of pants and give it hell to see if I want to get more ;-) margali Theresa Eacker wrote: > To Margali- > > My one experience with woven microfiber was a wrap blouse that I had > made. The bozos at NY Fabrics (tells you how long ago that was) said > that, being a synthetic, the yardage wouldn't need prewashing. Well, > upon the first trip through the laundry, the finished item _DID_ shrink, > just about an entire size in all directions, so into the garbage it > went. I was royally pissed. So, I don't know if you can ask the folks > at Junonia if the items they sell have been pre-shrunk, or, maybe buy a > small, inexpensive (is there one???) item and give it a test drive > through the laundry cycle. > > Sorry I can't be of much more help, > > Good luck, Theresa Eacker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 31 22:31:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19411 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:31:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g812X3WV027265; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:33:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g812X1j26264; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g812WWj26139 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:32:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2160.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.160]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g812WStD008242 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:32:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3D717A1E.8D24C4E9@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sept-Oct PieceWork Magazine References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:23:26 -0400 Status: RO Hi, Chris. I have seen pieces in the tradition you describe, in white and blue cotton for men's caps for use in the mosque and street wear. I was curious also because Muslim laws follow some Jewish and Christian ideas, and there is a Levitical ban on mixing wool and linen in Jewish tradition. I wondered whether this might translate over in some way to wool and cotton, and from Judaism to Islam. I have talked it over with some folks, and no-one really seems to be an expert on Levitic Law, and so doesn't know why this ban was created (says Mike in the hopes of getting an answer from the list). Again, good job on the article. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 31 23:10:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19553 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:10:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g813C1WV029254; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g813C0j05630; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g813BLj05505 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:11:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21042 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:14:07 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D717A1E.8D24C4E9@dandy.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Fiber mixing in religious tradition (was: Sept-Oct Piecework) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:14:07 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, leigh tartaglio wrote: > Hi, Chris. I have seen pieces in the tradition you describe, in white > and blue cotton for men's caps for use in the mosque and street wear. > I was curious also because Muslim laws follow some Jewish and > Christian ideas, and there is a Levitical ban on mixing wool and linen > in Jewish tradition. I wondered whether this might translate over in > some way to wool and cotton, and from Judaism to Islam. I have talked > it over with some folks, and no-one really seems to be an expert on > Levitic Law, and so doesn't know why this ban was created (says Mike > in the hopes of getting an answer from the list). As with the kosher laws (to which this rule is related), there is, as far as I know, no explicit reason for the rule -- the rule merely *is*. I don't recall offhand whether the rule on fiber-mixing is written law (meaning it appears in the Bible, in this case probably in Leviticus with the rest of the written kosher law) or oral law (developed through interpretation of the written law and codified). If it's oral law, there may be some discussion in Talmud of the logic underlying the specific interpretation that led to the law, and a Talmudic scholar can help you there. (Not me, not today, though given enough hours I might be able to find something about it somewhere in the jumbled theology library we have in our basement.) If it's written law, along the line of "don't eat shellfish," the only legitimate answer to "why was this ban created" is "Because God said so." There may be umpteen modern interpretations based on health principles, etc. but these have nothing to do with the creation of the law. My guess is that Jewish written law is more likely to show connections with Islamic law than Jewish oral law, because Islam shares some of the same written texts with Judaism, but the oral law developed independently. But I'm no scholar of this. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 31 23:27:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19589 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:27:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g813T3WV000122; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g813T0j09761; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g813SFj09571 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21124 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:31:01 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fiber mixing in religious tradition (was: Sept-Oct Piecework) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:31:01 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, leigh tartaglio wrote: > > > Hi, Chris. I have seen pieces in the tradition you describe, in white > > and blue cotton for men's caps for use in the mosque and street wear. > > I was curious also because Muslim laws follow some Jewish and > > Christian ideas, and there is a Levitical ban on mixing wool and linen > > in Jewish tradition. I wondered whether this might translate over in > > some way to wool and cotton, and from Judaism to Islam. I have talked > > it over with some folks, and no-one really seems to be an expert on > > Levitic Law, and so doesn't know why this ban was created (says Mike > > in the hopes of getting an answer from the list). > > As with the kosher laws (to which this rule is related), there is, as far > as I know, no explicit reason for the rule -- the rule merely *is*. I > don't recall offhand whether the rule on fiber-mixing is written law > (meaning it appears in the Bible, in this case probably in Leviticus with > the rest of the written kosher law) or oral law (developed through > interpretation of the written law and codified). Aha. Found it. Deut. 22:11: "You shall not wear cloth combining wool and linen." Pretty straightforward. This comes right after a rule that you may not sow your vineyard with a second kind of seed, so that the yields of the two crops won't mix, and then a rule that you shall not plow with an ox and an ass together. There seems to be a theme here of non-mixing. This is written law, so there's no reason "why this ban was created." It's just there. I'm sure Talmud has something to say about it anyway, but I don't have a copy around here. But it would be very Talmud-like for the principle to have been extended to the mixing of other fibers as well, even though only wool and linen are named in the written law. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Sep 1 01:23:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19924 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 01:23:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g815P2WV005619; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g815P0j08303; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g815Oaj08218 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21517 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:27:22 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fiber mixing in religious tradition (was: Sept-Oct Piecework) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:27:22 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO More on the Jewish prohibition of mixing linen and wool, from the website of the organization of specialists who test garments for fiber content and adherence to the law: http://shatnez.n3.net/ Apparently the observance is scrupulously followed today by at least some observant Jews. On the home page, Mike will find some of the posited "reasons" for the rule, with the caveat that there really is no known reason except that it's law. (But that doesn't stop people from coming up with possible explanations!) The testing labs apparently look at everything -- thread, linings, appliques, interfacings, etc. The website includes alerts about specific brands and styles that are not acceptable for observant purchasers. According to the FAQ, it takes 5 to 10 minutes to check a suit, at a cost of $3-$10. I would be interested to know what procedures the testers use to distinguish linen from other bast fibers (which apparently are not covered by the rule) or even from cotton, particularly at that speed. I don't know any reliable means of telling linen apart from other vegetable fibers in blends. There are no testing labs in my area, though, although we have plenty of Orthodox Jews here. Based on the list of locations (and the stringency of the rules), I suspect this is a phenomenon primarily of the Hasidic community. I'm tempted to write the contact address for some tips. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Sep 1 02:37:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20139 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 02:37:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g816d1WV008894; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g816d0j24720; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g816caj24628 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:38:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 27146 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 07:04:38 -0000 Received: from 66-81-59-104-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.59.104) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 07:04:38 -0000 Message-ID: <3D71B340.7F730F70@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] website found in paper References: <4.3.1.2.20020831081515.00c764c0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:27:12 -0700 Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >Our Saturday Lifestyle section of the paper had this website, > >www.Enokiworld.com > >They are a local couple who collected so much visiting estate sales they've > >started a small business selling off the excess. Mostly high-end vintage > >fashions, pricey, but the styles are interesting. > > Thanx for posting it. I went there and looked around. Interesting > stuff. Not very historical, but then, I'm old. > > Kayta When I was younger, my mother use to bitch about "Happy Days" and the 50's fashion trend. It really got her mad that all the things she use to wear came back as "Vintage". At the time I believe I told her, to cool it it's not a big deal. Looking at this site, I know how she feels......... If dresses from the 70's are vintage, what does that make me? (First person who say old, will be cursed to a life time in a corset that is too small!) 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